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Speaker 1: Thank you for letting me get that off my chest. Rose,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm supposed to do it. Yeah, this is this

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Speaker 1: welcome to. Like a version of the show where we

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Speaker 1: give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose, damn you,

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Speaker 1: and I am Fran Toronto, and we are going to

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Speaker 1: give literally yesterday's pop culture today's takes because it is Monday,

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Speaker 1: and we are gonna talk about the gay episode of

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Speaker 1: the Last of Us. So, Fran, I was able to

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Speaker 1: get into last night's episode, just like, what generally are

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Speaker 1: I am adoring it. Um. I was never like a

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Speaker 1: horror movie genre buff growing up as a kid. However,

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Speaker 1: I think that this most recent episode I was able

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Speaker 1: is almost make you forget that it's a zombie show.

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Speaker 1: Like your zombies are used or the infected as they

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Speaker 1: society in the absence of what once existed, And from

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Speaker 1: what I know about the game, because I have consumed

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Speaker 1: based on, um, the main antagonists of the game are

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Speaker 1: So so I do I do think you're You're right

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Speaker 1: And also just like how terrifying and sad survival is

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Speaker 1: what made this third episode so revelatory, which, like kind

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Speaker 1: is these two like men who I guess find each other, uh,

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Speaker 1: Bill and Frank played by Nick Offerman of Parks and

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Speaker 1: Recreation and Murray Bartlett from season one of The White

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Speaker 1: Lotus and they Bill, I mean, we've never seen Nick

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Speaker 1: So to give a little context about the this this story,

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Speaker 1: So there is something transactional about it. But then three

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Speaker 1: a lot of like I I feel satiated by watching

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Speaker 1: something that other people like and then identifying why it's

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00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: not good. I could that I could not could not

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Speaker 1: be me and not be me. I understand, I understand,

427
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: and but that that I will also stipulate is like

428
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Speaker 1: a be true of like gay ship right, like gay

429
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: and transship like ship that like is trying to be

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00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: representative quote unquote of our community, which is like a

431
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: fallacy and like nobody should represent anyone like that if

432
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: we've like learned anything at this point so far. Like

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00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: the show Real house I don't even know what it's

434
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: sucking called because it's the Real Friends of we Ho,

435
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: it's such a it's such a word salad, like it

436
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: needs another syllable in order to mirror Real Housewives of Mamma,

437
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, it's it's just not

438
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: it's difficult, nobody can remember what it's called. Um, but

439
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: it's also just obviously really bad. It's the thing is,

440
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: it's not even that it's terrible. It is just boring,

441
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: which is the worst thing it could possibly be. Because

442
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: I did, I did try. We'll not try. But I

443
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: had friends come over last week to watch drag Race,

444
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: and like, of course we started watching it when it

445
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: came on afterwards, of course, and it wasn't even that

446
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: we were like boo throwing tomatoes at the screen. We

447
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: just mind numbing it was. It was just boring and

448
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 1: we started talking and eventually, like without even realizing it,

449
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: turned it off. The same thing. Um, I was at

450
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: Ryan's this past weekend. It came on after drag Race,

451
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: and he was like, on the phone or something, and

452
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: so I watched the first couple of minutes of it

453
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: and just zoned out and was on my phone because

454
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 1: it's boring. I agree, and I do think that boring

455
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: is the thing we should be saying because to your point, Rose,

456
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: and this is kind of why I want to talk

457
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: about like hate watching. It's like we're actually giving this

458
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: way too much energy, right, like something like the real

459
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: whatevers of West Hollywood is like not even worth the

460
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: hate watch, And like, yeah, I'm similar to you. After

461
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: Drag Race, I watched it with a bunch of friends.

462
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: We were like, let's watch and make fun of it.

463
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: And while we were watching it, and I was giggling

464
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: actually because it is incredibly stupid. But like while we

465
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: were watching, I was like, my god, I wonder how

466
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: many people are hate watching it right now, because no

467
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: one in this room is enjoying the show. And is

468
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: it Like I was like, is it going to get

469
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: great ratings because it's so it's such a hate watch

470
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: and it's not because it actually is just boring. But

471
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: like I think, just to the effect of what you're saying,

472
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: like this like bizarre kind of like weird hyper attention

473
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: to the show and like what it means for the culture,

474
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: and like all the memes it's generating, and all this

475
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: stuff just like is really smelly, Like it doesn't mean

476
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: anything to the culture. It's so it's so like bland

477
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: and inoffensive and just it's like a nothing burgers. It's

478
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: a nothing burger. It's it's not interesting. And I feel

479
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: like that all the things that people are placing on

480
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: top of it, all the critique, right this Vulture article,

481
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: which like people were sharing on Twitter, like it's actually

482
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: just like the show isn't even that bad. It's really

483
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: actually just like what I'm smelling is just internalized homophobia,

484
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: which is nothing new, but like we shouldn't be saying,

485
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: you know, uh, these people are horrible and not even

486
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: fucking famous and they're not even real friends and they're

487
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: bad representation or whatever. It's like you could Real Housewives. Yes,

488
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna say. We don't need any

489
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: of that from the Real Housewives, like, but just need

490
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: them to be interesting and exciting and fun to watch exactly.

491
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: The Real Housewives are funny, magnanimous, irreplicable, Like well, Good

492
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: Housewives is funny, magnanimous, irreplicable, messy, controversial and like none

493
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: of these men are any of them? Well, I think no,

494
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: Brad Driski is great. Tadrick Hall is like no gen

495
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: Shaw level of unwatchable, Like I mean, you don't watch

496
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: salt Lake. But like Tadrick is the reason why this

497
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: show is like brows in itself right, and bros Is

498
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: now a verb thanks to Billy Eichner, because like, what

499
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: the argument to any degree when we say, like queer

500
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: people need to support this and if you don't support this,

501
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: then you don't support for media, It's just like such

502
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: it anti intellectual. Take that as like Ti Mitchell pointed

503
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: out on this podcast and tweeted about later, like so

504
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: many queer representation quote unquote arguments are really just this

505
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: thinly veiled way to say, like I'm not personally famous,

506
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: but I should be, you know what I mean? Like

507
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: that is actually like what we were watching Tadrick do

508
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: online when he was writing all these like handwritten letters

509
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: which were certainly handwritten by unpaid interns because there's like

510
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: five different fonts on them. Yeah, it's kind of wild

511
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: that like his that Tadrick's handwriting is like I think

512
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: it is his handwriting because like it's he still has

513
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: the handwriting of like a high school senior. Like it's

514
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: like it's like bubble letters, like bubbles were like that,

515
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: like you know the f the like swords that used

516
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: to draw in your notebooks from the middle school. Hearts

517
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: on the eyes like curls empty font like I've aid

518
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: every dancer I've promised payment to curls mt. Fine, Well,

519
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: all that means that he did people or he let

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00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: them think they were going to get paid, and then

521
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: it turned out that he had never intended to. Yeah, anyways, Um,

522
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: it's all of this is coming back to say in

523
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: the breath of what I felt was worth hate watching.

524
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: And what I want to say about this show is

525
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: that we don't need to like patently reject it because

526
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: it's like bad gay representation. We can patently reject it

527
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: because it's category bad and boring and contrived and like, also,

528
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: we just like want to watch women, Like let's just

529
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: say that, like we like we want to watch women

530
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: on TV. Like gay men don't want to watch each

531
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: other on TV. And I think it's because you know,

532
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: a lot of them hate themselves and that's like fine,

533
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: but they should work that out, like without having to

534
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: write a Vulture article. You know what I mean. Yeah,

535
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: the idea of reading a Vulture art cool about real

536
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: friends of who just gives me hives. It literally reminded

537
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: me of when the Fire Island TV show came out

538
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: and that one faggot for like huff Post Gay Voices

539
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 1: r I p Um wrote something that was like that

540
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: wrote something that was about like Fire Island is like

541
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: representative of gay America's moral decline, and I was like, girl,

542
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to a dick, yes like suck nick Offerman,

543
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: smelly post apocalyptic dick. And I'm sorry to make this

544
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: joke again, but I have to say again that if

545
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: you are a queer person who's saying that we as

546
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: queer people need to writ large like support all queer media,

547
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: then you have so many Adam Lambert albums to listen to,

548
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: like I'm sorry, Like you have a back catalog of

549
00:32:50,760 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: you know, Randy Rainbow YouTube videos. But that one thing

550
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: I would never hate watch is anything starring Sarah Michelle

551
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: Gellar because I love her and she's never made a

552
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: bad film or TV show in her life. I love

553
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: the way you choked on that. Well, that's because she's

554
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: never made up that that's because I'm trying to swallow

555
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: this dried this dried mango I'm eating, I'm sure. But

556
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: today we will be discussing one of her greatest contributions

557
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: to culture, um Cruel Intentions, which I have watched recently.

558
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: So true, True to the True, to the virgins here

559
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: to represent. So the first time I ever saw Cruel Intentions,

560
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: I rented it from Blockbuster and watched it with my dad,

561
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: and I was it was came out, so it would

562
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: have been like on home video in two thousand maybe,

563
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 1: so I was twelve, and the last thing I wanted

564
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: to be doing while watching this movie was sitting next

565
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: to my dad. It's a very strange movie to watch

566
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: with your parents, especially parent to you like, I have

567
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: nothing in common within I could never don't know how

568
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: to talk to. But your parents were not the like

569
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: throw their hands in front of your eyes kind of parents. Well,

570
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: my mom did used to tell me to cover my

571
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: eyes during the sex scenes and then you wouldn't insects

572
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: in the city and I would cover them and then

573
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: kind of thing through. Yeah, yeah, my parents, yes, truly,

574
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: anytime we would want what's like a movie, they made

575
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: me close my eyes honestly, any any Mission Impossible movie.

576
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: I have a visceral memory of the violence. You know,

577
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: the sex scenes. There's always a sex scene in every

578
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: Mission Impossible movie. And my parents I should be like no,

579
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, I want to see Tom cruises dick,

580
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: So I want to suck Tom Cruise's dick. He looks

581
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: the same, he's he's a vampire, like an ageless vampire. No,

582
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: but he has recently he looks like he's aged a

583
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: little bit. But it's been good for him. Yeah, it's

584
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: been hot. I I want you know seasoned men. Also

585
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: loved him when he was a twink, and I loved

586
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: him when he had bad teeth before he got those

587
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: you told me before he got those top and Bottom veneers, Mama, Okay,

588
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: I I loved him bad teeth. But like I honestly

589
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: had not thought because I famously did not see top

590
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: Gun and I have not seen Tom Cruise in any

591
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: recent movie. But I also I was able to clue

592
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: into the fact that Tom Cruise is hot now after

593
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: he did the Bloody Mary Dance. Child, he did, you

594
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: should watch it. He did the Bloody Mary Dance. He

595
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: loves Gaga. After after loves Gaga and he did it

596
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: to support her at like and did it like outside

597
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: his mansion or whatever, and he's he looks hot. Like

598
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: what if they walk the red carpet together at the Oscars?

599
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know that, you know that I

600
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: want them to be together. I think that would be

601
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: an award. I bet that would That would be the

602
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: ultimate celebrity couple. To me, Tom Cruise of a person

603
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: who like it's not even about if he's gay or not.

604
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: It's just he's such a freak. His sexuality doesn't matter

605
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: him being in a couple with Lady Gaga also a

606
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: freak in in just like an opposite but parallel way.

607
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, I want that so badly.

608
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: It is an opposite of a parallel way. And they

609
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: both are highly susceptible to cults. They're they're both um,

610
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: they're both really good at the performance of celebrity right,

611
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: like they both understand what being a celebrity is and

612
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: like how to live and breathe at And I also

613
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: think that Gaga has this like truly like biological like

614
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: biological like impulse to like fall in love with every

615
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: co star she's ever as so so like so like

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00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: because she's like Standislavski or whatever, she just like can't

617
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: help but like fall in love with like Bradley Cooper

618
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: and then like Tom Cruise, even though Tom Cruise is

619
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: not a co star, but like, you know, structurally, but

620
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: if she had the closest thing she had, if Tom

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00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: Cruise had been the star the co star of a

622
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: star is born, they would they would be in a relationship,

623
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: There's no question of mine. I mean her and Bradley

624
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 1: Cooper would be in a relationship if Bradley Cooper wasn't

625
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: gay but allegedly allegedly, allegedly alleged allegedly. Um yeah, but

626
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: I can't wait for her to fall in love with

627
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: Joaquim Phoenix. I mean it's probably already happened. It's happening

628
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: right now. It's happening literally. I mean, she's not doing

629
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: any press right now because she's so immersed in that movie.

630
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: Is going to absolutely destroy me. Oh my god, I'm

631
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: of coffee. Look at all my had such a beautiful

632
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: lip color on, and now it's like now it's on

633
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: your now it's all on my coffee. That's why you

634
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: got to use a straw, babe, I gotta use a straw. Yeah,

635
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: better for your teeth too. UM well, I forgot that

636
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: we're here to talk about cruel intentions. We are here

637
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: to talk about cruel intentions. UM the UM teen psycho

638
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: sexual thriller, which is not um, a phrase you hear often. UM.

639
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: It is a reimagining of uh Pierre code Leo still

640
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: Laclos's seventeen eighty two novel Les Liaison's Don Jerroses or

641
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: Dangerous Liaisons as it has also been known, But it

642
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: takes that story and updates it to the elite teen

643
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: prep school scene in New York City in the late nineties,

644
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: sort of like an early gossip Girl. And I'm sure

645
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: it had a lot of influence on gossip Girl, which

646
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier. UM It's stars Um Sarah

647
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: Michelle Gellar as UM, Catherine who Katherine Murty who is

648
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: you know the Queen be the Blair Waldorf if you

649
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: will of her you know, elite um prep scene, and

650
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 1: then her stepbrother, Sebastian Valmont played by Ryan Philippe. They

651
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: have this sort of game they play where they seduce

652
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: people and destroy them for their own ships and giggles.

653
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: They also Ryan PHILIPPI really wants to fuck Sarah Michelle Geller,

654
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: his stepsister, and she issues him this challenge that if

655
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: he fux this um new girl played by Reese Witherspoon

656
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: um and destroys her, that if if he can get

657
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: her to fall in love with him, because you know

658
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: she would never fall for a bad boy, um, that

659
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: SMG will finally fuck him in. That's sort of pseudo

660
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: incest scenario. And as she tells him, you can put

661
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: it anywhere, which I guess me, and he wants to

662
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: suck her in the ass. Sarah, I don't know if

663
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 1: everyone came in with the intention to like make this

664
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: actually like funny, but like Sarah Michelle Geller makes this

665
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: movie so funny, so being yes, it is also still

666
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: sexy dangerous, like you know, gripping. I feel, Um, I

667
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: don't know if this is like I'm trying to think

668
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: about the source material s Stangroue or whatever, and I

669
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: the virgins. Maybe you said that the virgin sound like

670
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: the shot from from the Little Mermaid. Oh my god, wait,

671
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the live action version of that character.

672
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: Who's going to play that? Friends? They probably cut it? No,

673
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: Timmy Timoth a Shaley would have even that, oh my god,

674
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: I would have spoken French, oh my god. But then anyways, okay,

675
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: side track, side track, Um, I think that dangerous. This

676
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: lion Standrew is like spoofed in Arrest Development, where they're

677
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: like Michael, Sarah's character watches a movie called The Lick Cousin,

678
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: the Cousins DANGERU or these like cousins fuck or whatever,

679
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: and it gives it plants the seed of an idea

680
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: where he's like wants to funck his like step step

681
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: cousin or whatever. Um, are they I can't remember? Are

682
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: they cousins, cousins in cruel intentions? Are they step cousins? No? No,

683
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: they're stepbrother and step sister, step brother and step sister, right,

684
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: so they're not biologically related that they're not. No, it's

685
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: totally It's totally fine. It's totally totally fine. It is camp.

686
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: I mean some of Sarah's line deliveries in this, like

687
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: I mean when she says you can put it anywhere,

688
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: when she says, I'm the Marcia fucking Brady of the

689
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: Upper east Side and some times I want to kill myself.

690
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 1: She has a she has a hollowed out cross necklace

691
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: filled with cocaine that has a tidy spoon for her

692
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: to do cocaine with this movie? Was I really wish

693
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: that I had had this movie as a part of,

694
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, the small group of films that like opened

695
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: up my secular awakening as we call it, along with

696
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: a Mulan rouge rent Um, if your mom, if you

697
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 1: had watch this with your mom and she'd the cross

698
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: that she would ross, she would you would have had

699
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: to go through an exorcism. Yes, she would have expelled. Um. Yeah,

700
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: you would have shoot. There would have been a demon

701
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: inside you and she would have gotten it out. But

702
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: I I know, truly I I would have been I

703
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: would have I would have grown up so much faster. Um.

704
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: But I say that honestly because I feel like, and

705
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: I don't even think I'm exaggerating when I say this,

706
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: I do feel like Ryan Philippe is like ass was

707
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: a pivotal moment in a lot of you know, people

708
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: of Fagga experience. You know what I mean. Well, the

709
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: combination of his ass while love fool by the Cardigans

710
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: is playing Oh my God, I forgot that really, like

711
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: was a gay awakening for so many people on so

712
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: many levels. Wait, I forgot that love fool is playing?

713
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: Are you serious? And it gets cut off very abruptly,

714
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: this mute. This movie has a banging soundtrack, bittersweet symphony

715
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 1: by the Verve. They put their whole pussy into that.

716
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: Also the opening song Every Me and Every You, which

717
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: is by Placebo. I believe Placebo, I don't know, I

718
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: I honestly. Roger Cumbell, the guy that directed this, also

719
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: did the sweetest thing. I love thee the best sort

720
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: of like not like one of the best, like kind

721
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: of um off the beaten track, like not early tooth

722
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: thousands comedies that like it's kind of a if you know,

723
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, absurdist, totally stupid, like totally intentionally stupid. Also

724
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: starring Selma Blair, who in that movie is kind of

725
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: the I'm not gonna say slut of the group. But

726
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: there is a scene in which a guy's dick is

727
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: literally stuck in her mouth right because of the piercing

728
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is such a funny scene. I mean,

729
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: Cameron is also such a slot in that movie, and

730
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: I think it's very liberating. Like she also she's a

731
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: whole song about like how big the penises, how big.

732
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: She how she loves big penises or whatever, and it's

733
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: not even a musical, but then she like breaks out

734
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: into song. It's kind of brilliant. It's a very strange movie. Um,

735
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: but this was a strange time for movies, the late

736
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: nineties early two thousands, and Cruel Intentions is certainly a

737
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: product of that. I mean, it also came at um

738
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: an interesting time in Sarah Michelle Geller's career because she

739
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 1: was and she would have been two years into doing Buffy,

740
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: so this was one of her like sort of infrequent

741
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: side projects. So at this time, um, Buffy was already

742
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: like a huge hit. Like like now we think of

743
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 1: Buffy is the show that has this like cult following,

744
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: but at the time it was hugely successful. It was

745
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: Sarah Michelle Geller was everywhere, and I do think that

746
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: a lot of this movie rides on her star power.

747
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: And Ryan Philippie and Reese Witherspoon, Honestly, at this time

748
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: we're still relative unknowns um. They also this was the

749
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: film that they met on and um, they later got married,

750
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: so it did bring them together. Wow, I didn't know that. Okay, wait,

751
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: so wait, Reese Witherspoon was unknown when this movie came out,

752
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: I had not unknown, but she wasn't like super famous.

753
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: I think, I want to say Election also came out.

754
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 1: I do feel like this was the year that Reese

755
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: broke and UM. Yeah, and I'm sure that um cruel intentions,

756
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: what was what really brought her to the attention of

757
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: young people. And then Legally Blonde came out in two

758
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: thousand and one, so that is really what solidified her fame.

759
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: UM and I think this was probably like the first

760
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: building block of that got it okay, okay, And I

761
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: am you know, and I'm not an SMG scholar, so

762
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: I appreciate the context because she really is, to me,

763
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: like the anchor of this movie. Like it's it is

764
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: like an ensemble cast. Um that feels like in the

765
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 1: kind of closer genre of like you know, psycho sexual

766
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: thrillers and absolutely closer closer for teens. Yes, well teens

767
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 1: that are played by twenty six year olds, right, like,

768
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: but Sara Michelle Gellar, you know, she is like Buffy

769
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: is such a you know, she's a strong female character.

770
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,959
Speaker 1: She's a heroine. She's a good girl, but she's also

771
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: very sassy. But we hadn't really seen smg play a

772
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: bad girl since well, she was on a soap opera

773
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: before she was on Buffy, and I'm sure she was

774
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: like an evil twin or something, because you know that's

775
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: how soap operas go. Um, so she got to, you know,

776
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: dip her toe into playing the bad girl, and I

777
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: think she fucking slays it. She played the bad girl

778
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: every time, like she's so so fucking good on Buffy.

779
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: She only got the chance to do that in There's

780
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: there's a couple episodes and well there's one episode in

781
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: season four where Buffy and Faith swap bodies. Faith is

782
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: another vampire slayer who's who's evil and she and Buffy

783
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: swap bodies. So Buffy gets to be a bad girl

784
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 1: for an episode. But um, you know, Catherine is really

785
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: the the evilist Sarah has ever played, except she was

786
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: in this TV show called The Ringer where she played

787
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: identical twins and one of them was bad. Maybe okay,

788
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: So sa Michelle Geller is on a press tour right

789
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: now for this new Paramount show I believe called wolf Pack,

790
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: which is a spinoff of Teen Wolf, and I saw

791
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: an interview in which she said that she thinks that

792
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: Katherine from Cruel Intentions grown Up would basically just be

793
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: her character from Due Revenge. But I also think that

794
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: Catherine from Cruel Intentions grown Up would be would be

795
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: um Sonja Morgan or like or just would would be

796
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: a real housewife on a New York City housewife. I mean, honestly,

797
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: you know who else should be a New York City housewife?

798
00:48:54,800 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: Is Christine Branski? Please? Maybe maybe lou Anne is Catherine

799
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: grown up Luanna? I would love to see Lunn act.

800
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: She's probably so bad. You mentioned Christine Bransky. There's something

801
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: there as some iconic I don't like some people who

802
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: have like just a few scenes in this film. Christine

803
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: Bransky is one of them. Also, tera Read in the

804
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: opening scene, um because Sebastia, she's one of Sebastian's conquests

805
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: and he's leaked all these nudes of her online in

806
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: a sort of like revenge porn scenario, and tera Read

807
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: has the iconic line, there's naked pictures of me on

808
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: the internet, which relatable honestly, an oracle, she she was

809
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: predicting what would be common and evident like problem in

810
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: the culture of nudes leaking online. And now you know,

811
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: soon we're going to be electing people to office that

812
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: have leaked nudes. That's that's my dream, honestly. UM, do

813
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: you okay, So when you first watched this movie was

814
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: it do you remember just like latching onto it immediately?

815
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: Because SMG? Did you was it a rewatch for you?

816
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: Did you like watch it every day after school or

817
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 1: I had the vhs then the DVD. I would watch

818
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: them all the time. I would quote the movie all

819
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: the time. I wanted to be Sarah Michelle Geller in

820
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: this movie. I knew immediately that I was not a

821
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon. I was not a good girl. I was

822
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: a bad girl. No, no, no. And Reese honestly cloy

823
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: is cloying Lee sweet. She almost does what she does best,

824
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: which is like to be good to an exhaustive degree.

825
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: Like she is so pure that it's like annoying. Um.

826
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: I was watching this movie with my friend. I was

827
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 1: watching Cool Intentions with my friend for the first time,

828
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: and we were marking on. There's this scene where Reese

829
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: is like in a car with like that with I

830
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: think Ryan Philippe, as they're like flipping and trying to yes, yes, yes,

831
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: and she like starts to make she like makes the

832
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: demon face. She's so she's so bad at making a

833
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: goofy face. Like I actually like, if I was a

834
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: director and I was watching, I was like, Reese, like,

835
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: you you need to do something else, Like, oh no,

836
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: I think that's you know, but I do. I just

837
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: don't think she knows how to make a face that

838
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: is like goofy and evil at the same time. Like

839
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: I just like, I was like, clearly, it's like not

840
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: in your nature to do this reeson with her spoon.

841
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: I thought it was like endearing almost I'm not trying

842
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: to be condescending except you, but it might not be

843
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 1: what you're trying to do, but it's what you're doing.

844
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: But it's what you're doing. Um oh some of okay,

845
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: Phoebe just clude us into some of Blair and legally blonde. Yes, well,

846
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: I mean some of Blair was definitely an it girl

847
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: at the time that this movie came out and remained

848
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: one for years. Um. She also she and Sarah Michelle

849
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: Geller are lifelong friends. Um. Sarah has supported her a

850
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: lot recently because elma UM a couple of years ago,

851
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: uh you know, revealed that she has been dealing with

852
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: a chronic illness. I believe ms UM she was on

853
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: I think the most recent season of Dancing with the Stars,

854
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: although they do like four of them a year, so

855
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: there could have been like two more seasons since she

856
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: was on it. Um she was. I don't think she

857
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: was on the same season as Jojo Siwa, but I

858
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: think she was on the same season as Smith Jared

859
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: from Sex in the City Smith Jared, Oh my god,

860
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: the one he was my favorite. Sex in the City boo. Unfortunately,

861
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: this movie has an iconic same sex kiss between Sarah

862
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: Michelle Gellar and Selma Blair, in which Sarah Michelle Geller is,

863
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, saying that girls just on each other all

864
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: the time, and they have this very hot kiss. That

865
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: was I think probably the thing that people remember most

866
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 1: from this movie because it was in a pre meme world.

867
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: It was a meme like it was replicated in movies.

868
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: I think there's I think in one of the Scary

869
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: movie films they spoof it um Sa Michelle Gellar and

870
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: some of Blair one best kiss with the MTV Movie Awards,

871
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: I think, and maybe even like kissed on stage. Um

872
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: It's I think it's a good kiss. I it reminds me,

873
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: is there like a little spit dribble, there is a

874
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: little they are, Yes, it's hot. We have talked about

875
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: spit kink's recently on our Disobedience episode. Yeah, I will

876
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: say like when I watched it, I felt like it

877
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: was it definitely was hot. It definitely did to me

878
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: feel like exactly in this era of culture when like

879
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: straight women kissing was this like sexual kind of phenomenon

880
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: that like got boys really rowdy. Like we were kind

881
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: of talking about this in our Jennifer's Body episode, but

882
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: like do you remember do you remember like when you

883
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: would go to like Walmart or Target whatever to like

884
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: buy movie posters or like just like posters for your

885
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: room and I would I would buy them a hot topic, yes,

886
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: hot topic as well. But one of those posters was

887
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: always those two girls and like gray like underwear or whatever,

888
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: like kissing on a bed. Do you remember this image?

889
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 1: Like oh my god? But but anyways, all I'm trying

890
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: to say is like it was just like this very

891
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: bizarre era of culture that like talked about lesbians and

892
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: erased lesbians at the same time. It was it was

893
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: it was it was lesbian is um from the male gaze,

894
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: which you know, lesbians only existed in popular culture to

895
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: titillate straight man, Yeah exactly. But but this I felt

896
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: like was something that we could still embrace. Like it

897
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: was queer, Like it was like totally like this, this

898
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: I think to me, this movie, and like what it

899
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: did best was like revel in hedonism, right, Like it

900
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: was like this, what is the maximum bad? You can

901
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: be like, well, well, revel in, revel in it, but

902
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: still but cast it as evil because what we because

903
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: the journey of this movie is that Sebastian starts out

904
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: as a hedonist, falls in love, and then rejects hedonism

905
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 1: and is punished for his hedonistic lifestyle because he spoiler

906
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: alert dies at the end and Catherine, who sort of

907
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 1: drove him to this, gets her come up and when

908
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 1: all of Sebastian's diaries are our oh yeah, like uh

909
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: disseminated throughout the school and so bizarre. It is a

910
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: movie that but that celebrates hedonism but then takes this

911
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: very puritanical view of it. And you know, the only

912
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: love that is celebrated and upheld is you know, straight

913
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: monogamous romantic love and and and what more could we

914
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: possibly wish for than straight monogamous romantic love. And that's

915
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: what that's the reason I'm on tender Babe. Yeah, I mean,

916
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: I know, like heterosexually. I know, I'm aware that, like

917
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: as you adjust your legs, I'm aware that like heterosexuality

918
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 1: is like slowly but surely becoming like illegal in this country,

919
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: like with hope, like it will be like a criminal offense, um,

920
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: one day, but lock them up. For now, I will

921
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: be practicing heterosexuality to the fullest extent that I can. Um. Interesting, Yeah,

922
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: I love being heterosexual. Um. Oh, you know what it's not.

923
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: It's not scary movie that parodies the this It's not

924
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: another teen movie? Which did you ever watch that? No?

925
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 1: Was it? It seemed like I always like was horny

926
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: whenever I saw it in Blockbuster it made me horney.

927
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: So not another teen movie? Is there was? After the

928
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: successive scary movie, there was a string of these sort

929
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: of spoof films for different genres. The first of them,

930
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: and I think most successful, was not another teen movie,

931
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: which was Chris Evans's breakout role. Right. He plays the

932
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: like Jock you know, main character who is like half

933
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: Freddie Prince Jr. And she's all that and half Ryan

934
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: Phillippi and cruel intentions. He has like a similar thing

935
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: with his stepsister where he wants to suck her. Um

936
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: and um, there is a scene of the lesbian kiss

937
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: and they like go really in on the spit thing

938
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: and it's like to a gross level that actually sounds

939
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: really funny. Um, I kind of want to watch that now. Um.

940
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: It's but it's a good movie. I used to watch

941
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: it a lot. I had it on DVD, and I

942
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: used to watch it a lot, and it was I

943
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: had a teen crush on Chris Evans because of it. Well,

944
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: I think the teen genre in general, like in the

945
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: vein of cruel intentions or whatever else you want to

946
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: pull into it, Like I think it's like endlessly entertaining

947
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: to revisit. Like I watched a lot of Riverdale, Like

948
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: I've watched four seasons, like four full seasons of Riverdale, right,

949
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: like I've I think teen ship and the exaggeration of

950
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: like how bad teen lives can be. Like by bad,

951
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: I mean like how um daring controversial, Irreverend you can

952
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: be like in this kind of like hot topic air

953
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: of culture is like so funny to look at now,

954
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: Like I've actually never seen the movie, um, thirteen, but

955
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: that's kind of in this genre and you have to

956
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: watch thirteen. Oh my god, No, you're not allowed to

957
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: say that because you don't understand the context. I've seen

958
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: the scene on YouTube and I feel, but you need

959
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: to watch the whole movie. Thirteen is so incredible. It

960
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: inspired me to huff as a teenager. It's inspired NA,

961
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: you need like barbitual barbituates or whatever, like you wanted

962
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: to like like Judy like and like um like whipp

963
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: it's with um whipped cream cans with it, you know. Today,

964
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,919
Speaker 1: Like I know, we were just talking about Gossip Girl

965
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,439
Speaker 1: and how I liked the reboot. But for the most part,

966
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: I can't watch media about teenagers. We have discussed this

967
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: at length. It's the reason why I don't want euphoria. Um.

968
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,919
Speaker 1: But you know, like things like Euphoria and gossip Girl

969
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: truly would not exist without cruel intentions. It is the blueprint,

970
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: I think, so yeah, or maybe also I actually have

971
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: never seen like Dawson's Creek, but like, are any of

972
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: those shows like Dawson's Creek O C Like is that

973
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: era of TV? Also this kind of like teens being

974
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: like murderous drug dealers or whatever, like no, no, Dawson's Creek.

975
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: I didn't watch Dawson's Creek, but I believe Dawson's Creek

976
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: is much more um, it doesn't reach that level. It's

977
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: much more like interpersonal drama, like family drama. UM. And

978
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: I also didn't watch The o C. But I know

979
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: the O C is like not quite at that level.

980
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: I think Gossip Girl is kind of where we started

981
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: seeing um, where we got the most of teens behaving

982
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: like adults and specifics specifically because of their access to

983
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: our proximity to wealth. M Oh okay, yeah, wait, how

984
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: does wealth kind of exist in cruel intentions? I guess

985
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: just well, they're all they're all very wealthy, you know.

986
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: They they have unlimited resources and no parental supervision, so

987
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: they are Yeah, it's the no parental surround, that's the

988
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: big thing. It's like, the richer you are, the less

989
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: parent involvement you have in your day to day. That

990
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: was the one difference on Gossip Girls that their parents

991
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: were someone in the original Gossip Girl is that their

992
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: parents were someone involved and the parents were actual characters

993
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: on the show who had their own romantic dramas and

994
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: like their own plot lines. But you know, for the

995
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: most part, the kids did act like adults. They were

996
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: like going clubbing and like having these like making these

997
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,479
Speaker 1: like grand schemes that were obviously like in a way

998
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: fueled by being teenagers, being dumb teenagers with like raging hormones.

999
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: But because they had unlimited resources, they could you know,

1000
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: can cause to these like elaborate schemes and behave like

1001
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: you know, um eighteenth century aristocrats having you know, like

1002
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: um intrigues. Yeah, honestly, I mean like it was I

1003
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: think that like experiencing even though I didn't see cruel

1004
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: intentions as a kid, Like when this like genre of

1005
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,919
Speaker 1: kind of like TV films whatever was like coming through,

1006
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: I feel like I could attach. I feel like it

1007
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,919
Speaker 1: was so aspirational to me. This is like really dark.

1008
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: But like I, you know, was a very unhappy kid.

1009
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: I did not enjoy my childhood, and a lot of

1010
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: that had to do with my parents. And so these

1011
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: lives without parents, which I think are are present and

1012
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: a lot of like teena and kid you know, like

1013
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: things like I, you know, I wanted that so bad.

1014
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: I wanted a life without parental supervision. I wanted a

1015
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: life for my own, and they would give us this

1016
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: fantasy where in kids were like teens were fully capable

1017
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: of doing it. We're in reality, it's like teens actually

1018
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: do still behave like children, like none of them actually

1019
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: act like this, and so you know, it was a fantasy,

1020
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: but I loved that ship. Oh you know, what we

1021
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: do have to talk about is the gay stuff and

1022
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: cruel intentions. Joshua Jackson of Dawson's Creek Fame plays Sebastian's

1023
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: gay friend who helps him in trap Betty's boss from

1024
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: Ugly Betty Daniel into being outed as gay. So that

1025
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: so that so that Ryan Phillippe can use him to

1026
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: like get get into Reese Witherspoon's good graces. Oh my god,

1027
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: I forgot that Daniel meat. Is this dick and cock

1028
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: sucking dick and cock? Absolutely? Um yeah, I mean gay blackmail,

1029
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: bring it back. Seriously, we're about we're to like cancel culture,

1030
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: like like representation matters to have that kind of fashion blackmail.

1031
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: We do Fran blackmail and would blackmail you any day.

1032
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god, thank you. I would love to blackmail you.

1033
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: I would love to out you as trans I mean

1034
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: thank you. I think we how we have both emotionally

1035
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: blackmailed each other somewhat successfully. You know that can't be true.

1036
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: It's true, And you know what, I think that's beautiful.

1037
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: I think and I think that's beautiful. Um wow. I mean,

1038
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: like I honestly like I'm I felt like when I

1039
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: watched this movie, I was like watching it through your eyes?

1040
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: Can I say that? Like, because we got my eyes

1041
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 1: they're gone. The virgins at home can't see, but the

1042
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: roses eyes are now gushing blood. They're now gone. And

1043
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm like the Corinthian from Sandman. I just have little teeth.

1044
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: You're giving pans labyrinthy, your eyes are on your hands.

1045
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: Um No. I was just gonna say, like, because we've

1046
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: been doing the show for a while and because you know,

1047
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm the version so to speak, when I like in

1048
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: these you know, in our in the episodes that we've

1049
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: released so far, Like you know, I'm not always the virgin.

1050
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: We like to just talk about what we like to

1051
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: talk about. But when I am the virgin, I feel,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm always just like, oh, I wonder what, like,

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Speaker 1: like I wonder how Rose would think about this scene?

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Speaker 1: You feel I feel close to you anytime I can

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Speaker 1: see something like this. This very this is a kind

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Speaker 1: of Rose movie to me movie, this movie was incredibly

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Speaker 1: formative to my personality. I wanted to be Catherine. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to be an evil, manipulative bitch who would funk

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Speaker 1: her step brother, blackmail people, destroy their crucifix, and snort

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Speaker 1: cocaine out of my holida out crucifix. Please let in

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Speaker 1: to our d m s at like a virgin tell us,

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Speaker 1: do you want to suck your stepbrother? Um? Have you ever?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever blackmailed someone for being gay? And what

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Speaker 1: is your favorite? Um? Sarah Michelle Geller Media Property. Wait wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: I actually would love to know the answer to those

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Speaker 1: first two questions of any other virgins. Share we're at

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Speaker 1: We're being fully serious and we will um. We won't

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Speaker 1: let your messages after you send them, but we won't

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Speaker 1: use them against you. We won't. Next week we will

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Speaker 1: be back with a discussion on Dolly parton the woman,

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Speaker 1: the myth, the legend. Um. So uh you know join

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Speaker 1: us for that yehaw. You can um connect with us

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Speaker 1: on Instagram like a virgin. UM. My handles at Rose Damn.

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Speaker 1: You can follow me anywhere online there and I'm Fran toato.

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Speaker 1: You can find me at friends Squish to go anywhere

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Speaker 1: you like. Like a virgin ism I radio production. Our

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Speaker 1: producers Phoebe Unter, with support from Lindsay Hoffman and Nikki Etre.

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Speaker 1: Until next week. It's a bitter sweet symphony that's live

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Speaker 1: trying to make and meet your slave too money to

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Speaker 1: you die. Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do

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Speaker 1: Do Do Do Do Do Do Do. Why did I

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Speaker 1: sing that as if I was the lead singer of

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Speaker 1: nickel Back, I well, you're kind of yeah, there is

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Speaker 1: a kind of nickelbacking on quality. There's photo but it

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Speaker 1: also kind of sounds like Ganga, Like you know how

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Speaker 1: Ganga sometimes goes like full Nickelback and she's like you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? Um oh oh, I know what

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Speaker 1: you mean. I do