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Speaker 2: is your Toshiba game. Rewind Toshiba, the official copier company

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Speaker 2: with some sweeping repercussions this morning, as head coach Sean

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Speaker 2: McDermott has made the decision to fire offensive coordinator Ken

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Speaker 2: It's an offense that has been I don't know, lost

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Speaker 4: Well, I guys doing today? Yeah, not being ruined my

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Speaker 1: It's that kind of it's that kind of you know,

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Speaker 2: And it's never fun anytime a person loses their job.

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Speaker 2: understand why the decision was ultimately made. Let's go to

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Speaker 2: What do you got for us? Tyrell?

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Speaker 6: This is one quick day, man, And that's what I say.

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Speaker 6: You guys are awesome. Macassarn is wide receive a position

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Speaker 6: And then last night we hear rumbles about Bigg's brother

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Speaker 6: where there's smoked this fire? Diggs was really really had

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Speaker 6: And I really feel that with Kim Dorsey getting fired

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Speaker 6: Next Year's going to be the same old thing. Or

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, Tyrell, and thanks for calling. Let

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Speaker 1: me just get to it right now. All the drama

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Speaker 1: They were never against each other. Steph never wanted out

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Speaker 1: They got work to do. Now. You can worry about

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Speaker 1: They got a game to play this week against the Jets,

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Speaker 1: So uh yeah, all, don't worry that drama is we

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Speaker 1: We lived with it with Steph because everybody expects it

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Speaker 1: You're worried about the future because we had an ugly

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Speaker 1: now you know they're making moves on it. Don't worry

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Speaker 1: Stephan Gabe. Let let him play, let him finish well,

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Speaker 8: They're worried about the.

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Speaker 1: don't worry about all that drama of the offseason. That

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Speaker 1: that's for that that's for then, and none of the

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Speaker 2: And not only that, from a salary cap standpoint, they

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Speaker 2: forty five million. He's a dead cap hit next year

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Speaker 2: The Bills can't even handle that kind of a cap hit.

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Speaker 2: So well, I don't see it happening. Move along here

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Speaker 1: It is everybody you mentioned there in your question. It's

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Speaker 1: That's gotta happen. You gotta have twelve guys, you gotta

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Speaker 1: It is absolutely everybody's fault, everybody, and you know this.

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Speaker 1: The head coach should have noticed, the defensive coordinator should

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Jenny and Penfield next.

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Speaker 1: What do you got for us?

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Speaker 10: Jenny, Hi, thanks for taking my call. I totally understand inexcusable,

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Speaker 10: Is that the owner, the general manager or the head coach?

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Speaker 10: And the second question I have is who decides what

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Speaker 10: manner of offense is the team going to use? In

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Speaker 10: the third when McDermott, you know, he called a fairly

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Speaker 10: decent game last night, and but I truly questioned his

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Speaker 10: as head coach and coordinator. And my last question, who

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Speaker 10: hires the coaches? Mister Pigoula, mister Bean or mister McDermott

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Speaker 10: and it and answers please, thank you, no problem.

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Speaker 2: Jenny, Thanks for the call. Basically, the head coach decides

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Speaker 2: what the philosophy of the team is going to be

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Speaker 2: going forward. It's molded in his vision and image. That's

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Speaker 2: the way it goes.

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Speaker 1: And he's also the guy to go skip to question four.

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Speaker 1: He's also the guy that hires his assistant coaches to

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Speaker 1: implement his vision for the team, and he ostensibly hires

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Speaker 1: guys who join him in his philosophy right.

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Speaker 2: As for the general manager, it's usually hired by the owner,

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Speaker 2: but sometimes there is input, as was probably the case

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Speaker 2: because head coach Sean McDermott was here prior to Brandon

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Speaker 2: Bean had a prior working relationship, so to think there

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Speaker 2: was an input from the head coach would probably be

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Speaker 2: foolhardy to think that. In most cases it is an

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Speaker 2: owner handling the hiring of a general manager, and then

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Speaker 2: the general manager assists the owner in hiring a head coach.

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Speaker 2: That's usually the way it goes. That wasn't in this

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Speaker 2: particular case. And then as far as devising the offensive philosophy,

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Speaker 2: it's usually the coordinator and the head coach in concert

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Speaker 2: with one another.

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Speaker 1: And anytime you hire high level people within an NFL

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Speaker 1: football team, the owner has a voice and usually the

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Speaker 1: final voice. But smart owners, in which Terry Pergoola is

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Speaker 1: one of them, they listen to the experts they have

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Speaker 1: in the building about what they're looking for, why they're

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Speaker 1: looking for these things, and how each candidate would fit

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Speaker 1: in envision, how they would fit in with the philosophy

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Speaker 1: and what the team would look like. So it's a

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Speaker 1: lot of voices in the room, with a couple of

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Speaker 1: them that have the final say and McDermott being the

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator and calling it. You're right. I thought he

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Speaker 1: called a really good game last night, and this defense

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Speaker 1: is overperformed given the injuries that they've suffered. I like

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Speaker 1: this defense better under Sean McDermott than I did under

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Speaker 1: Leslie Fraser, no matter where it's ranked in the hierarchy

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Speaker 1: of turnovers and yards per gained and per yards per game,

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Speaker 1: yards per play, or where all of that yard's given up.

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Speaker 1: I like this defense the way it looks better under

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Speaker 1: McDermott than I have in the past years under Leslie Fraser.

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Speaker 1: And there was one other thing I was gonna say. Oh,

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Speaker 1: and the GM, the general manager is also in case

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Speaker 1: anybody didn't realize this, the GM picks the fifty three

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Speaker 1: man roster. Usually almost everywhere, it's not the head coach,

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Speaker 1: it's the GM who picks the roster. Because he's on

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Speaker 1: he has to have final say so that if there

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Speaker 1: is a trade that comes up, he can address the

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Speaker 1: trade and make it without having to go and touch

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Speaker 1: base with their head.

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Speaker 2: Coach, although they'll probably do that anyway.

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Speaker 1: Right, But that's why it's so important for the head

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Speaker 1: coach general manager to be in lockstep. So the GM

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Speaker 1: knows he's not going to cross the head coach's wishes

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Speaker 1: or do something he doesn't approve of. He'll know how

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Speaker 1: the head coach would think about what he wants to do.

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Speaker 1: But that's how it works with the players now, the

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Speaker 1: head coach and the assistant coach and I'll say, hey,

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Speaker 1: can I have this player instead of that player? And

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Speaker 1: that jam can say yeah, okay, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: But that's it. So I hope that answers all your questions. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: on the football side of it, the players, the philosophies,

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Speaker 1: the assistant coaches, that's a head coach's perview. But the

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Speaker 1: head coach, the general manager all hired by the owner

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Speaker 1: or at least he has the final say. He listens

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Speaker 1: to the guys in the pecking order.

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Speaker 2: But yes, got to take a break here. When we

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Speaker 2: come back. The Hall of Famer Thurman Thomas going to

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Speaker 2: join us in studio. We'll get his thoughts on last

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Speaker 2: night's loss to the Broncos in gut wrenching fashion when

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Speaker 2: we return here on One Bill's Live presented by Kalaida Health,

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Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bills Radio. This Weekue's Player of the Game

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Speaker 2: is presented by Wegman's Meals to Go. Wegman's Meals to

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Speaker 2: of the game is Terrell Bernard. Came out of concussion

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Speaker 2: protocol to contribute a team leading thirteen tackles, a sack,

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Speaker 2: and a quarterback hit, so he is your player of

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Speaker 2: the Game presented by Wegman's Meals to Go. In what

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Speaker 2: was a omen's effort by Buffalo's defense down five starters,

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Speaker 2: they only give up six points off four turnovers and

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Speaker 2: essentially hold the team in the game for the balance.

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Speaker 2: Obviously did not get it done on the final drive,

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Speaker 2: but after being on the field for about thirty eight

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Speaker 2: minutes down five starters, maybe you can understand why I

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Speaker 2: don't care what anybody says. And we're gonna welcome in

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Famer Thurman. Thomas here is on set

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Speaker 2: with us. Welcome Thurman. How about you. But I'm not

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Speaker 2: putting that game on the defense, no way, Jose.

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Speaker 11: I mean, at least two or maybe even three losses,

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Speaker 11: I wouldn't put on a defense.

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Speaker 2: They're not the problem right now.

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Speaker 11: And then with all the injuries like you just said

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Speaker 11: that they've been had over and throughout.

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Speaker 2: They're doing more with less.

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Speaker 11: Yes they are, Yes they are. And it's it's the

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Speaker 11: other side of the ball right now. I mean, I mean, hey,

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Speaker 11: look and specialties and special teams, that the hell. But

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Speaker 11: I'm used to seeing this.

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Speaker 8: Offense attack people.

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Speaker 11: You go all the way back to when they lost

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Speaker 11: their first AFC Championship game of Kansas City. Yeah, it

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Speaker 11: was coming along, it was coming along. Now where's that offense?

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Speaker 11: I know Dave was not here, but Dorsey's been around

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Speaker 11: enough to know like what works for this offense, and

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Speaker 11: right now it's just not happening.

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Speaker 8: I don't know. Maybe Brady can come up with something,

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Speaker 8: because if you think.

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Speaker 11: About it, he's been in the room, he's been in

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Speaker 11: there with Dorsey. Maybe he's maybe he said some things,

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Speaker 11: say hey, how about this route on this play?

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Speaker 8: Like he might be a little bit more creative.

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Speaker 11: But Dorsey, being the offensive coordinator say, no, I think

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Speaker 11: we're gonna.

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Speaker 8: Stick with that.

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Speaker 11: You defer to him, right exactly, So now, okay, maybe

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Speaker 11: I can imp now's your shot.

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Speaker 8: Now's your shot. I think I heard you. Who did

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Speaker 8: he have in Carolina when he was Eddie Bridgewater?

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Speaker 2: Arnold did pretty well when he had Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly. So you got a different quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Now, Jefferson and Jamar Chase. That's a pretty good trio there.

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Speaker 8: Oh my lord.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you need to win this championship.

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Speaker 11: I mean, yeah, so look, I'm I'm hoping he has

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Speaker 11: some more different wrinkles because I mean what we saw the.

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Speaker 8: First ten games has been pretty.

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Speaker 2: Much wide variance of play, wide swings of play, a

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Speaker 2: lot of volatility, not a lot of consistency. So you

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Speaker 2: kind of understand the move. Yeah, and you know, we'll

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Speaker 2: see what happens over the eleven seven games.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They haven't scored thirty points or more for two months,

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Speaker 1: seven weeks twenty fourteen, twenty five, twenty four eighteen, and

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Speaker 1: thenless last night.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's like the way they were scoring in

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yes, and the defense that was happening to

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Speaker 1: turn out you know, five turnovers and that kind of

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Speaker 1: thing now, and it's.

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Speaker 2: A much older defense than the one that was.

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Speaker 1: Playing like this and they're turning it over four times.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's not good.

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Speaker 2: I've talked to Steve a little bit about this therm.

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Speaker 2: But special teams very quietly has had a hand in

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Speaker 2: this last stretch of play, not just yesterday, previous weeks

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Speaker 2: as well. You know Sam Martin has the bad punt

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Speaker 2: day in Cincinnati. You know there was a stretch there

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Speaker 2: where Tyler Bass miss three of four field goals, all

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Speaker 2: going all the way back to Week seven New England.

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Speaker 2: And then the coverage unit, either because of poor hang

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Speaker 2: time on punts or whatever is given up field position,

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Speaker 2: they can't flip the field. And last night I asked

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Speaker 2: coach McDermott after the game, was it the plan to

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Speaker 2: kick to Marvin Mims, who leads the league in kick

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Speaker 2: return average and punt return average? And they kept kicking

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Speaker 2: the ball to him. He had three returns, two punts

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Speaker 2: for forty four yards and one kick return for thirty

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Speaker 2: one yards. The average starting field position for Denver yesterday

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Speaker 2: was their own forty yard line on average, and they

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Speaker 2: had three possessions in plus territory on Buffalo's side of

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Speaker 2: the field, and the defense still only gave up six

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Speaker 2: points off of four turnovers.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's it's the offense.

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Speaker 2: So what you said, it's the offense off and then

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Speaker 2: special teams is part B.

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Speaker 1: Were they were they?

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Speaker 8: What was that?

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Speaker 1: Was that the plan you asked?

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Speaker 2: He said we? I said, did you think about kicking

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Speaker 2: away from Marvin Mims? And he said, we thought about that,

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Speaker 2: And then he said, basically the problem on coverage was

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Speaker 2: we didn't have population around the football, which was a

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Speaker 2: similar answer that he gave a few weeks back when

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Speaker 2: they gave up some long returns and he guess get

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Speaker 2: surrendered field position. Well, yeah, but Sam Martin kicks a

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Speaker 2: line drive directly to Marvin Mims. He's got ten yards

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Speaker 2: of green grass in front of him after he catches

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Speaker 2: the football. I'm like, this is going to be a problem.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One of the things the teams do nowadays on kick

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Speaker 1: on punk coverage I've noticed and you'll notice it two

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Speaker 1: if you started looking for it. It used to be

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Speaker 1: the punt return team they didn't rush the punt. They

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Speaker 1: start blocking guys immediately, and the modus operandi now is

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Speaker 1: everybody rushes the punt. So those guys got to stay

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Speaker 1: back at tech so they don't get it blocked in

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Speaker 1: their blocked punt for a touchdown over yea. So they said,

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Speaker 1: so what they do is they block themselves by trying

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Speaker 1: to block you on your punt rush. And it takes

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Speaker 1: a long time to get out. That's a big that's

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Speaker 1: a big uh, just diversion from what it was in

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Speaker 1: years past. And you you got to protect first, no question,

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Speaker 1: but you gotta have some guys down there that get

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Speaker 1: to the ball. And of course Martin's got to put the.

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Speaker 11: Ball and then and that's why, and that's why when

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Speaker 11: Bruce de Haven and Marvel Levy they always talked about

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Speaker 11: hang time.

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, haintime was.

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Speaker 11: Going to be the difference there last right, Yeah, But

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Speaker 11: I'm just saying the hangtime is, like Marve always said,

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Speaker 11: you're not going to lead the league in punty.

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Speaker 8: You're just not.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a Morse fair.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, we're going to force fair catches matime. But you

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Speaker 11: get them line.

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Speaker 2: Drive and Saran Neil is a great gunner, but they

645
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Speaker 2: had two jammers on him the whole game, the whole game.

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Speaker 2: And then Sam Martin did not have a good day punting.

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Speaker 2: His net punting average yesterday thirty yards thirty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not good enough.

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Speaker 8: It's just nothing's coming together at the same time.

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Speaker 2: So you got two phases of your team not playing

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Speaker 2: well for the better part of the last month, and

652
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Speaker 2: the defense is trying to hold it together with as

653
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Speaker 2: Steve said last week, duct tape and staples, with all

654
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Speaker 2: the injuries they have. You can't play one phase of

655
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Speaker 2: football and expect to even win half of your games.

656
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Speaker 8: They're in a funk, I guess.

657
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Speaker 11: I mean they're in this whole and not just a

658
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 11: single lot of the offense, the defense, and the specialty.

659
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Speaker 8: I just think it's just everybody, all right.

660
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Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, Thurman, because you guys,

661
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: you know, when you were players, not often, but you

662
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: dealt with stretches where you guys weren't playing like you

663
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: were capable of, sometimes even for a two or three

664
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Speaker 2: games in a row. How do you pull yourselves out

665
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: of that? What were the solutions that worked for you

666
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 2: guys in getting the team back on track and playing

667
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 2: up to their capabilities.

668
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Speaker 8: Right at Jim's house.

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Speaker 11: Night in Jim's basement, Yeah, I don't know, you know

670
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 11: what I think with us. You know, we had some

671
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 11: really like motivated players that wanted to get well, that

672
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 11: wanted to play better, that wanted to do better. So

673
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 11: it wasn't like it was Elijah Pitts or Tom Bresna had.

674
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Speaker 11: It was like the players figured this out, and I

675
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 11: think you kind of going to the locker room, you

676
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 11: kind of loosen up a little bit. I come in

677
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 11: and like, you know, maybe tell a joke on somebody

678
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 11: or whatever, just kind of he's the attention because everything

679
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 11: wasn't going well and you try to find that in

680
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Speaker 11: between of Okay, can I say something about Bruce?

681
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 8: Can I say something about whoever or whatever?

682
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 11: Just to kind of make everybody laugh, And you don't

683
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Speaker 11: just to kind of lighting the moves. Yeah, you gotta

684
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 11: break the you know what, maybe you stay at extra

685
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 11: fifteen minutes in a meeting, you know, maybe you do

686
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 11: the little things like that, you know, just give it

687
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 11: a little bit more time. So but we had veteran players,

688
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 11: you know, that really figured it out throughout the week.

689
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me present you to you this. We

690
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: know that Latavius Murray asked permission of the coaching staff

691
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: to have a player's only meeting on the offensive side

692
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: of the ball only as we understand it, and the

693
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: crux of that meeting was player to player accountability. He

694
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: basically told them, look, I've been in the league ten years.

695
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: This is the most talented roster I've ever been on.

696
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: We should be playing better than this. We have to

697
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: hold ourselves accountable. We have to hold each other more accountable.

698
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Speaker 2: And then we watched what happened on Monday night and

699
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Speaker 2: it didn't really play out I think the way the

700
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: players certainly hoped after trying to right the wrongs and

701
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: make sure everybody was on the same page. So where

702
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: do you go now? I mean, you just sat down

703
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: and talked about being more accountable and then you have

704
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: that performance. What do you do now? What straw are

705
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Speaker 2: you pulling out?

706
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Speaker 1: And I think, what you or what.

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Speaker 2: Lever are you pulling to make it work better?

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Speaker 1: I think maybe maybe Sean McDermott knows better anybody you

709
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: shake it up On the other end at the coaching staff,

710
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: he's just all right, you guys did what you could do.

711
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 8: Here we go.

712
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm jumping on board with you and I'm going

713
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: to shake things up on my end. Sean McDermott and

714
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: we know this too. And and for for the lack

715
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: of Super Bowl success this team's had even under Sean McDermott,

716
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: they are a quality organization who's done it because of

717
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: his leadership. He's not afraid to do the hard things.

718
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Speaker 1: And I and letting the letting a coach who's been

719
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Speaker 1: here for as long as Ken Dorsey has been here.

720
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Speaker 1: It's a hard thing. And but that's what leadership is.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what they do next. I listen everybody

723
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Speaker 1: out there, you and I took Cols last week after

724
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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati game. Man we were taking we had the

725
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: bulletproof vests on the man, trying to just survive that

726
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: my Captain America shield people. People wanted Ken Dorsey's head

727
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: on platter and and Sean didn't want to do it.

728
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Speaker 1: And finally he did this this week. Maybe it is

729
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: the thing that puts him around the bend. I would

730
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Speaker 1: imagine there's gonna be a little bit of a learning curve.

731
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Speaker 1: Maybe they'll get a little adrenaline boost here early in

732
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Speaker 1: the early going and they come out like gangbusters this week.

733
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Speaker 8: Maybe I'm going to say that, first of all, they're

734
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Speaker 8: going against the Jets. They got a top defense. They're

735
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Speaker 8: a very champions. You can look at the last three

736
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Speaker 8: or four games that we played them.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm gonna give you a stink that's gonna make

738
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Speaker 2: your head spin.

739
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Speaker 11: But now, but now, just like I said earlier, maybe

740
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Speaker 11: you throw something different at them.

741
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Speaker 8: You have to.

742
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Speaker 11: Yeah, you can't stay in the same type of offense. Look,

743
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 11: you got to run twenty yard ends. I don't see

744
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 11: that anymore instead of the flat routes here and there. Now,

745
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 11: sometimes you have to take those to make it, you know,

746
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Speaker 11: second and three or whatever, you know, the short passes.

747
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Speaker 11: But I like to see them extend the offense a

748
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Speaker 11: little bit more down the field. We haven't seen that.

749
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Speaker 11: We haven't seen that, And I don't know if that's

750
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Speaker 11: under center or is that in shot.

751
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean a lot of the third and

752
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: fourth down plays, you know, under Dorsey, we're in shotgun,

753
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: where if you're at least under center, you force the

754
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: linebackers at the second level to make a decision. When

755
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Speaker 2: you're out there and shotgun on fourth and two like

756
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 2: they were last night, you're not asking the linebackers to react.

757
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Speaker 8: No fourth and two and there's no action.

758
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Speaker 2: To force them to react differently.

759
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 8: None, and they didn't move on fourth and two.

760
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: And you had to turnover on downs and once again

761
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Speaker 2: Denver with a drive start at the Buffalo forty seven,

762
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Speaker 2: and the defense still turned them over with a fumble.

763
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Speaker 8: Right, So you know, you know what, maybe this is

764
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Speaker 8: a little energy in in.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's got to help.

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Speaker 8: I've been like say that all day. But now that

767
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Speaker 8: I'm talking about the coaching.

768
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Speaker 11: Change, coaching, Okay, let's see what's gonna happen at four

769
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Speaker 11: twenty five months.

770
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Speaker 2: Okay, So when we come back, we're going to discuss

771
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 2: game plan for the Jets because there is a troubling

772
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Speaker 2: history with Josh Allen and the Jets that I will

773
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Speaker 2: discuss next. I want to know if you think it

774
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Speaker 2: should impact the game plan when we come back here

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Speaker 2: games since the club record of thirty nine through the

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Speaker 11: Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait what twenty fourteen, that's what

791
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Speaker 11: it had, like three or four got like ten sacks.

792
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Speaker 2: When they had fifty seven sacks in a season.

793
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Speaker 8: That is the record, that is the club record. And

794
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 8: then a year later, the.

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Speaker 2: Year before, they had fifty four and I think that's

796
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Speaker 2: second highest. There are some that go back to like

797
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: the AFL title season of sixty four, and that's before

798
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Speaker 2: sacks were even really recorded. Eighty two was the first

799
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: year sacks were recorded. But people have gone back and

800
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: looked at the film and said, the sixty four team

801
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: had more sacks. Whatever, So take it for what it's worth.

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Speaker 2: I've got another number to pass along to you, Okay,

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Speaker 2: So Joe Brady, let's spin this forward. Therm Bills Jets.

804
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 2: You know, the Bills have had their problems with the

805
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Speaker 2: Jets defense. Who's been holding them off the scoreboard? They

806
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: forced turnovers. Here is a Josh Allen stat for you.

807
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Speaker 2: In eight career games against the Jets, he has a

808
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Speaker 2: record of six and four nine touchdowns in those eight games,

809
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Speaker 2: ten picks and seven fumbles lost, nine touchdown, seventeen turnovers

810
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: in ten games. If you're Joe Brady and you hear that,

811
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Speaker 2: how are you crafting this game plan? Because that's the

812
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Speaker 2: history and that's fact.

813
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Speaker 12: That is a history, and that is seven turnovers and

814
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 12: seven seven touchdowns, nine touchdowns and he's six and fourty yes,

815
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 12: and that's because the defense has played against horrible.

816
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Speaker 1: Quarterbacks Ye Darnold and now Zack Wilson.

817
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Speaker 2: How does that impact your game plan if you're Joe

818
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: Brady if at all? Maybe it doesn't. Maybe you just say,

819
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: throw caution to the wind.

820
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Speaker 8: We're rolling.

821
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Speaker 11: Yeah, wow, you got that one.

822
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: You're the genius.

823
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm saying, because Thurm, we have you

824
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: in here all the time. You're like, they need to

825
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: run the ball. So I'm asking you, I'm giving you

826
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: these numbers for Josh.

827
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Speaker 8: What are you doing?

828
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Speaker 1: If you're Joe Brady, if you can run the ball,

829
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: you always run the ball because right, But.

830
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Speaker 2: That's easier said than done against his Jets.

831
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Speaker 1: Jets are tough to run it in against. Yeah, I

832
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: I think you should treat first downs like touchdowns. Get

833
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: as many of them as you can. Hang on to

834
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: the ball, get on the field, stay on the field,

835
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: get points when you can.

836
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Speaker 2: If you score twenty, you beat the Jets.

837
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Speaker 13: Right, if you score seventeen seventeen, you could beat the Jets.

838
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 13: But it's gonna be a hard So it's gonna be

839
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 13: hard to get seventeen points. You're gonna need some breaks,

840
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 13: specially if Zach Wilson comes in and he's their quarterback.

841
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 2: That's what he's the only Solar said, He's.

842
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: One of the only guys that you have a chance

843
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: that turning it over as much as Josh turns it over.

844
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

845
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: Yes, Bills have not had an interception in six games now.

846
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: So if I second longest streaking I said this.

847
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Speaker 1: Yesterday is some guys I said if the tonight before

848
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: the game last night was talking to Eric Wood and

849
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Speaker 1: some guys, I said, listen, if the Bills don't turn

850
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: it over, they are not gonna win this game. I mean,

851
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: they're not gonna lose this game. The Broncos can't beat

852
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: the Bills unless the Bills turn it over and certain

853
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: you know, they're minus three and they lose.

854
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 8: So will this be two points?

855
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 11: Will this be the first week that we see big

856
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 11: an Leonard Fournette?

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Speaker 8: I think it's possible against I'm okay.

858
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: The Jets are the reason why Leonard Fournette's on this team.

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Speaker 8: Maybe they could be.

860
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 2: They can't run on on the Jets. So let's get

861
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: Let's get the big beefcake, two and twenty eight pounds

862
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Speaker 2: rippling muscle.

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Speaker 1: Let's see how how bad they want to stop the run? Right,

864
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Speaker 1: And Joe.

865
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Speaker 2: Brady knows Leonard Fournette from the LSU.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I love that guy. We've been talking the

867
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Speaker 8: past couple of years. Man, he's been great.

868
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Speaker 1: Okay, you what that guy? I saw him as a rookie.

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Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette is a rookie with Jacksonville and they meant

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Speaker 1: the championship game and beat Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh. Yeah, I

871
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Speaker 1: have been so impressed by his play. And I sat

872
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Speaker 1: down with him in production me. I was really impressed

873
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Speaker 1: with him. Then I saw him play. I was like, man,

874
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Speaker 1: oh man, what a dude right there. And I was like, man,

875
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Speaker 1: that's a guy you want, Yeah, you.

876
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Speaker 8: Want I think you want him on that team right

877
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 8: now too. I seen a little video.

878
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Speaker 11: Yes, they him and Steph you know, they were like,

879
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 11: I'm like, this is what the team need.

880
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 8: Right here because this guy right here, he has an

881
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 8: attitude about him about that last Yeah.

882
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Speaker 11: And I'm telling you just from talking to him and

883
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Speaker 11: watching him and like he wants to play.

884
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Speaker 8: He brings that championship back.

885
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Speaker 2: And he tweeted last night, don't worry, my time is coming.

886
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Speaker 2: Bill's Mafia. People thought he was gonna dress last night

887
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Speaker 2: when he tweeted.

888
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Speaker 11: That, yeah coming, He's like coming soon, right, Yeah. So

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Speaker 11: I think it has to be against the Jets, and

890
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Speaker 11: I think, you know what we are going to see

891
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Speaker 11: if our office line can be real physical right now

892
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 11: because they look good.

893
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Speaker 8: I know that. I know that.

894
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Speaker 11: But I'm gonna tell you something not I like the

895
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Speaker 11: attitude that he's bringing to the Bills. Great guy. Everybody

896
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Speaker 11: in the locker room. I know there were some things

897
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Speaker 11: sitting with him and Shack, yeah right, so you know,

898
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Speaker 11: but you know what, but Shack is probably like even

899
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Speaker 11: though that happened.

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Speaker 8: I want that guy on my football team. Yeah you

901
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Speaker 8: you hear.

902
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Speaker 11: I've heard Tom Brady talk about Big Game Lenny a

903
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Speaker 11: lot when he was at Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 1: I've always said, we talked about it at length on

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Speaker 1: the show and other times. Where you need guys that

906
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Speaker 1: want to be in the fight, if there's a scuffle

907
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Speaker 1: on the field, if they aren't in the middle of it,

908
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 1: they want to be in the middle of the Lenny

909
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: ran from the Jacksonville sideline all the way over the

910
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Speaker 1: far corner of the stadium to get in on to

911
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Speaker 1: get in on it, and people say, what is he crazy?

912
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: What's he doing?

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Speaker 8: You know what?

914
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Speaker 1: Though, And I say this all the time. Bill's fans

915
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Speaker 1: hated Brian Cox. He's the only guy we wanted. Yeah,

916
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Speaker 1: we didn't want Dan Marino. We didn't want you know,

917
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Speaker 1: Richmond Webb. We don't want to We wanted Brian Cox

918
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Speaker 1: because you want a guy with some.

919
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Speaker 8: Grit, and I think they need that right now. I

920
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Speaker 8: can't hurt me because I'm telling you.

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Speaker 11: You go out and you're looking at him and be

922
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Speaker 11: like wow, okay, because and that a rubb off on.

923
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Speaker 8: Everybody hit a rubboff on everybody.

924
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Speaker 2: All you need him to do is run over one

925
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Speaker 2: safety and it's like Donkey Cox, right, it's a big

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Speaker 2: charge in every buddy.

927
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Speaker 11: Yes, so we'll see I so Transwer running the football, Okay,

928
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Speaker 11: I mean that's what I expect that and I expect

929
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Speaker 11: nothing less. Well, we're trying to think of something different

930
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Speaker 11: because I don't know Joe Brady.

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Speaker 8: I don't know it's the.

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Speaker 2: Therman Thomas default run the football.

933
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Speaker 8: So I didn't know. All right, very good, theuram.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for stopping in on I'm not a very easy tuesday.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you doing that and joining our therapy session.

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Speaker 2: We'll take a break when we come back. ESPN NFL

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Speaker 2: analyst dan Orlofski joins us for his weekly appearance. He's

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Speaker 2: got a lot of opinions on what's going on on

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Speaker 2: that Buffalo offense. He'll share them with us. Next Here

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Speaker 2: today at five hundred Pearl Buffalo dot com. Dan, welcome in.

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Speaker 2: I guess we should begin with a comment that you

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Speaker 2: made on your Twitter handle where you basically said six

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Speaker 2: hours ago, I remain adamant the Bills offense schematically is broken.

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Speaker 2: Maybe just explain that for the football layman as to

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Speaker 2: just what you mean by that statement.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think the starting point is that the offense

957
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Speaker 14: is one schematically very predictable. I think we've talked about that.

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Speaker 14: You know, when when this football team gets into their

959
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Speaker 14: two by two formation, they're really running two plays, they're

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Speaker 14: running their rpo with a little stop and a little

961
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Speaker 14: flat route, or they're putting stuff on a five yard

962
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Speaker 14: short end. So there's there's a predictability element of that.

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Speaker 14: When they early downs get into like a bunch concept,

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Speaker 14: they're running spot, which is a very simple like past concept.

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Speaker 14: So there's this scheme that you sit there and go.

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Speaker 14: We're easy to prepare for and not all the time,

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Speaker 14: but more often than not, teams know the likelihood of

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Speaker 14: the two plays that we're going to run. The second

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Speaker 14: part of that is, for me, they are far too

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Speaker 14: dependent on execution level being a ten for the play

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Speaker 14: to be successful. There is no easy I've made the

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Speaker 14: execution of the player or by the player easier by

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Speaker 14: some of the formation that I've done, or the action

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Speaker 14: that I've gotten.

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Speaker 7: To or the motion that I've used. So if we're

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Speaker 7: having a day or that player is having a.

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Speaker 14: Day where they're executing at an incredibly high level, or

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Speaker 14: the opponent is inferior, then the scheme is going to

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Speaker 14: be efficient. But when they're maybe executing at a seven

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Speaker 14: out of ten that day, or the opponent is a

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Speaker 14: high level opponent, the scheme doesn't give us any advantages.

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Speaker 14: And I don't think that they did things consistently to

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Speaker 14: put their players in situations where they had advantages. I

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Speaker 14: think too often the players were put in situations where

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Speaker 14: there were disadvantages. And those players, occasionally and sometimes more

986
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Speaker 14: often than not, one because they're so talented, indo or

987
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Speaker 14: so good, that doesn't mean that the scheme was the

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Speaker 14: thing that was elevating that performance.

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Speaker 1: How difficult or will you tell us you sat in

990
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Speaker 1: quarterback rooms. You watch these these coordinators around the league

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Speaker 1: install stuff on for a game. How much transformation can

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Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator, you know, install or instill into an

993
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Speaker 1: offense on a short week or you know, just right

994
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Speaker 1: out of the gate.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think there's there's change.

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Speaker 1: How much has happened.

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Speaker 14: I was actually yeah, I was actually on a team

998
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Speaker 14: that fired their play caller mid season. Essentially first game

999
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Speaker 14: was a disaster. Now that game was in London and

1000
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Speaker 14: short week and try you're trying to put a game

1001
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Speaker 14: plan together on an airplane type of stuff. And after

1002
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Speaker 14: that significant improvement. So I think there could be minor changes.

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Speaker 14: I think it's going to be more of the subtlety

1004
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Speaker 14: of hey, we're going to do less of this and

1005
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Speaker 14: more of that. So what more of the things that

1006
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Speaker 14: maybe the quarterback or the offensive line or certain receivers

1007
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Speaker 14: in or tight ends what they like and less of

1008
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Speaker 14: what they don't like some of the things that just

1009
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Speaker 14: are obvious that the offense can excel in. So I

1010
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Speaker 14: don't think it's Steve this drastic change, at least not

1011
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Speaker 14: in my experience, it wasn't that, but it was. And

1012
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Speaker 14: it's not just the play the game plan. It's also

1013
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Speaker 14: the calls. You know, it's also what call happens and

1014
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Speaker 14: what moments during the games. And you know, it felt

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Speaker 14: like too often there were calls that the quarterback didn't

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Speaker 14: see it in the way that the eyes light up

1017
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Speaker 14: and say, I love this one. And I think that

1018
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Speaker 14: could be probably the most major change. When that call

1019
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Speaker 14: comes in, you want that quarterback thinking, I don't care

1020
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Speaker 14: what the defense is, we got it, Dan.

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Speaker 2: Your ESPN colleague Matt Bowen, on his social media handle,

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Speaker 2: said the following, Josh Allen's fundamentals have declined and he's

1023
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Speaker 2: making poor decisions with the ball. There's also a lack

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Speaker 2: of structure slash run game consistency with this Bill's offense.

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Speaker 2: In the arc of Josh's career, where would you say

1026
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Speaker 2: his fundamentals and decision making are at at this moment?

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Speaker 2: How much do you put on him personally and how

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Speaker 2: much do you put on the scheme that you just referenced.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so a lot of this one, Chris.

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Speaker 14: Let me say this on your Guys show, Josh Allen

1031
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Speaker 14: is very far from broken. Very far from broken.

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Speaker 7: How much do I put on Josh?

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Speaker 14: I think Josh would tell you that some of his

1034
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Speaker 14: decisions have not been his best, no doubt, and I

1035
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Speaker 14: think that's part of his DNA. I think that's part

1036
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Speaker 14: of his personality. That certainly is the type of player

1037
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Speaker 14: that he is at times. But that player also gives

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Speaker 14: you a chance to win a Super Bowl every single season.

1039
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Speaker 14: So Josh is not a I've said this before, Josh

1040
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Speaker 14: is not the operator. Like the offense, like, how much

1041
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Speaker 14: do I put on scheme versus player? Okay, the analogy

1042
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Speaker 14: I have is this offense too often asks Josh to

1043
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Speaker 14: be Chris Paul and not Lebron James. Like, Josh is

1044
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Speaker 14: not a ball distribution quarterback. He's not a point guard

1045
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Speaker 14: that you just want to distribute the He's a guy

1046
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Speaker 14: that put the ball in his hands and run the

1047
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Speaker 14: offense through him, and he's a dominant force and then

1048
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Speaker 14: everybody else reaps the benefits of that. So I'm not

1049
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Speaker 14: going to dismiss the decision making that is fair. I

1050
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Speaker 14: respectfully disagree with Matt when it comes to the mechanics.

1051
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Speaker 7: I don't see that.

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Speaker 14: I think all the things that are necessary mechanically to

1053
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Speaker 14: make the right throws and make accurate and ball placement

1054
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Speaker 14: high level throws Josh is doing with his feet begin

1055
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Speaker 14: in the right place, with his body being the right place,

1056
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Speaker 14: the arm, the way he's finishing throws. Now are there

1057
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Speaker 14: times Josh mechanically is not perfect, of course, but the

1058
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Speaker 14: ball ends up on guy's faces because athletically he's capable

1059
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Speaker 14: of that. But I personally do not see the mechanics

1060
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Speaker 14: falling or diminishing the way that Matt references.

1061
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Speaker 7: But I'm telling I see him far from broken, far

1062
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Speaker 7: from broken.

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Speaker 1: When we've talked a lot about the offense this season,

1064
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Speaker 1: obviously and Josh, and we've talked gone a great length

1065
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Speaker 1: about when Josh is under center, when he's not under center.

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Speaker 1: Last night, it felt like even in short yardage plays

1067
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Speaker 1: where when you get into the shotgun and you hand

1068
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Speaker 1: it to a running back who's standing still is frustratingly

1069
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Speaker 1: slow to get to the line of scrimmage, even if

1070
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Speaker 1: you're going to throw it, it's a give the defense

1071
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Speaker 1: just a got split second break that you know, even

1072
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Speaker 1: if they do run it, I got a chance to

1073
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Speaker 1: get up to the line of scrimmage before the back

1074
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Speaker 1: does because he's back there. You know, all that stuffs

1075
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Speaker 1: is that's some of the more of this less of

1076
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Speaker 1: that that you're kind of talking about. I mean, I'm

1077
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Speaker 1: obviously we're talking about if you and me and Brownie

1078
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Speaker 1: were the offensive coordinator, you know, we're gonna we're gonna

1079
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Speaker 1: go in and we're gonna put Josh under center a

1080
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Speaker 1: ton against the Jets. I don't know. Maybe you think

1081
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Speaker 1: that's a bad idea against the Jets. I don't know,

1082
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Speaker 1: because that's that's where you get into a game by

1083
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: game thing. But the Bills seem to be pretty productive

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Speaker 1: and Josh seems to be really efficient taking a direct

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00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: snap from center rather than being the shotgun no matter

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Speaker 1: what the situation.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, so the fourth and one last night drove me nuts.

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Speaker 14: Drove me nuts, and I put it on Twitter today.

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Speaker 14: I don't I don't hate fourth in one shotgun. I'm

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Speaker 14: not sitting there saying you got to go under center

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Speaker 14: every time. But with with I would never go fourth

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Speaker 14: in one shotgun and not give Josh Allen the chance

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Speaker 14: to be the ball carrier, not threaten the defense with

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Speaker 14: eleven on eleven football, like, if you want to go shotgun.

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Speaker 7: Zone reaches that quarterback run I'm all for it, but.

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Speaker 14: To go shotgun drop back I hated that. I think

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Speaker 14: that this, like, I'm not naive to the fact that

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Speaker 14: it's a shotgun league. But if we're if we're having

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Speaker 14: this honest conversation right now, of the offenses in the

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Speaker 14: NFL that are playing their best or playing the best,

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Speaker 14: we're gonna put them in a group of Miami. We're

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Speaker 14: gonna put it in a group of Houston right now,

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Speaker 14: We're gonna put it in a group of San Francisco, Baltimore.

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Speaker 14: Look how much they put the quarterback under center, because

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Speaker 14: Steve is simply simply this like if there's a lot

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Speaker 14: of numbers that get thrown out and you can make numbers,

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Speaker 14: say whatever you want. One of the massive glaring misses

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Speaker 14: in this offense right now is it is very difficult

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Speaker 14: to be explosive.

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Speaker 7: I've said this before.

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Speaker 14: You can't be explosive versus two safety defense just playing

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Speaker 14: dropback football.

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Speaker 7: You're not good enough. Very few people are.

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01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 14: You have to do things to try and create that,

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Speaker 14: and so I do think that Joe Brady will at

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Speaker 14: least hopefully implement that a little bit help everybody. I

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Speaker 14: don't think it's an impossible fix. I honestly do not.

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Speaker 14: I don't know if it's going to be the number

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Speaker 14: one offense in the league, but I do think there

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Speaker 14: are tweaks and changes that they can implement in to

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Speaker 14: help everybody play better.

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Speaker 2: Dan Should Joe Brady be influenced by the following statistic?

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen in eight career games against the Jets has

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Speaker 2: a six and four record. He has nine touchdowns, ten picks,

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Speaker 2: seven lost fumbles, So nine touchdowns seventeen turnovers in eight

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Speaker 2: career games against the Jets defense, whose defense may be

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Speaker 2: the best it ever has been in that span this season.

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Speaker 2: Should it or should it not influence Joe Brady's game

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01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 2: plan this week for the Jets?

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Speaker 14: It absolutely should, and not only Josh's statistical performance. It's

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Speaker 14: who you're going against. There has to be the starting

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Speaker 14: point for Joe. Should be, Hey, how do we as

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Speaker 14: an offense not lose the game? How do we make

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Speaker 14: sure that we don't give this game away again like

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Speaker 14: we did on Monday night and like we did Week one? Okay,

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Speaker 14: so what were the flaws of those plays?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 14: Drop back pass protecting football? Okay, So can we if

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Speaker 14: we're going to play shotgun drop back football. It has

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01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 14: to be one where it's only focused on gaining a completion.

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Speaker 14: I don't think they should do it a lot. That's

1142
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 14: me personally. You're not going to drop back on this

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Speaker 14: football team.

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Speaker 7: Defensively.

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Speaker 14: Just think of getting four or five yard completions and

1146
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 14: think you're going to go seventy eighty yards three or

1147
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Speaker 14: four times. You're just it's completely unrealistic. I think that

1148
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 14: there needs to be a little bit of empty. When

1149
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 14: you're in empty, the ball has to come out quick.

1150
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Speaker 14: It should be quarterback run or it should be perimeter screens.

1151
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 14: I think they have to go at least ten to

1152
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 14: twelve plays of play action. Why number one, you got

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Speaker 14: numbers in your to protect with your defensive line. Number two,

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01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 14: it gives them opportunity to push the ball downfield. Number three,

1155
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Speaker 14: and probably the biggest part of that is there's checkdowns

1156
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 14: right in line with where what Josh is going to

1157
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:42,479
Speaker 14: want to do with the football, instead of number one's

1158
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 14: not there and then number two's over there. But if

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Speaker 14: I get to number three, I'm dead because the pass

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Speaker 14: rush is so good.

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Speaker 7: So I think.

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Speaker 14: There's got to be a mindset of we've done this

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Speaker 14: kind of stuff versus them, and it has not been good.

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Speaker 7: Don't call any of it, there's no need to.

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Speaker 1: So we get to this point of the season, We've got,

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Speaker 1: you know, seven games left, and it looks now realistically

1167
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: the Bills have got to go five and two down

1168
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Speaker 1: the stretch to make sure they get in, get ten

1169
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Speaker 1: wins and they get in. But it's five and two

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Speaker 1: against a schedule that is as difficult. Looking from this

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Speaker 1: end of it, it looks as difficult as any schedule

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Speaker 1: in the league. I mean they go they have the Jets,

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Speaker 1: the Eagles, the Chiefs, the Cowboys, the Chargers, and then

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Speaker 1: the Patriots Dolphins. I mean, it is a gauntlet of

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Speaker 1: a schedule. At five and two, you just changed your

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. I mean it looks as though the Bills,

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Speaker 1: even at five and five, they've got a mountain to

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Speaker 1: climb to get into the playoff hunt.

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Speaker 8: Yep.

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Speaker 7: Can they do it? Is your question? And how do

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Speaker 7: they do it?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Certainly, certainly. If they don't go five and two, they're

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Speaker 1: going to start at week ten or week after week ten. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if they go five. If they don't go five and

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Speaker 1: two in about week thirteen or four, they're gonna start

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Speaker 1: looking for help, right, and then it becomes and then

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Speaker 1: it comes tooth And now now I say this though,

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Speaker 1: if they get in, they still have under the hood

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Speaker 1: the engine to get to and win it. Would you

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Speaker 1: agree with that?

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Speaker 7: So? Absolutely? And and so I think, can they do it? Yes?

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Speaker 14: I do, I believe in that. I don't think I

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Speaker 14: I honestly don't think I would say yes if I

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Speaker 14: didn't believe it.

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Speaker 7: Is it challenging? For sure?

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Speaker 14: I think between if I expect them to come out

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Speaker 14: and play like really inspired football this weekend versus the Jets, Now,

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Speaker 14: it's not gonna be easy because Zach is playing fine

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Speaker 14: and whatnot. They got to value the football win that game.

1201
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 14: They got to find to they find find a way

1202
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Speaker 14: to steal one of those in between the Philly, Kansas City,

1203
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 14: Dallas stretch, that three game stretch. You got to find

1204
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Speaker 14: a way to win one. You gotta, like Josh is

1205
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 14: gonna have to be I have to have one of

1206
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 14: those games, and then you got to steal one. Okay,

1207
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Speaker 14: we've talked about all these different things offensively that they

1208
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 14: might do. Can they get that same defensive performance? I

1209
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 14: thought their defense played their absolute butts off last night,

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01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 14: So can they get that. One of the things that's

1211
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 14: got to switch is flip is the turnover stuff, right,

1212
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Speaker 14: you guys aren't having me come on here telling everybody

1213
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 14: turnovers the matter. So I called Week three of money

1214
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 14: at football this year versus Cincinnati versus the Rams since

1215
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 14: Cincinnati was zeroing too, and I just remember telling everybody

1216
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Speaker 14: on the crew, They're like, what do you think. I'm like,

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Speaker 14: if I was Joe Burrown throwing the ball to Jamar

1218
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 14: Chase fifteen times, I don't care. Steph in the next month,

1219
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 14: realistically should get fifty to sixty targets. Fifty to sixty targets.

1220
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Speaker 14: I'm tired of people telling me you can't do it.

1221
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 14: Yes you can. I watch teams do it. I watched

1222
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 14: Justin Jefferson do it. I watched Pooka Nakua do it.

1223
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 14: I watched Cooper Cup do it. I watched Jamar Chase

1224
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 14: do it. I watched CD Lamb do it. So there's

1225
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Speaker 14: ways that you could take your receiver and you build

1226
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 14: your pass game through the receiver. Now, that's like one

1227
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 14: of the main things that I think has to change

1228
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 14: with this offense. If you are going to make a run.

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Speaker 14: Outside of all the other things, we talk if you're

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01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 14: going to make a run. There's a reason why I

1231
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 14: pay you the amount of money that I pay you,

1232
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 14: because you're one of those rare people. And that's got

1233
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 14: to become a significant greater focus.

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01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 2: Last one here, Dan quickly run game, you know kind

1235
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 2: of spiked yesterday. We know it was against a poor

1236
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 2: defensive run front in Denver, so maybe it is an anomaly.

1237
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 2: Some encouraging signs from Cook minus the ball security issues

1238
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 2: and then sitting on the practice squad two weeks. In

1239
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 2: the books of studying the playbook is Leonard Fournette, who

1240
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 2: tweeted yesterday my time is coming. Bill's Mafia. How much

1241
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,919
Speaker 2: of a difference could a hammer like Leonard Fournette make

1242
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 2: against the Jets this week?

1243
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Speaker 14: If he's up, Yeah, it'll matter. I thought Latavious ran

1244
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 14: it well too. I honestly, I thought James Cook ran

1245
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 14: it well outside of the obvious, So that the hammer

1246
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 14: aspect is gonna matter because you're not gonna like, there's

1247
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 14: gonna be situations where it's second and seven. There's gonna

1248
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 14: be situations where it's third and two or third and three,

1249
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 14: and you're gonna need some bigger body to go and

1250
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 14: do that. I think James Cook it brings an element

1251
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 14: to speed to the offense that is needed, dynamic kind

1252
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 14: of playmaking in space, So I think that's needed as well.

1253
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 14: The last thing I'll touch on this is Chris Like

1254
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 14: there was two runs that went well for them last night.

1255
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 7: They called them.

1256
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 14: Too much, but the tackle pull with Dion and inside zone.

1257
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 14: You gotta build pass game.

1258
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 7: Off of that.

1259
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Speaker 14: I think that's a thing that I think will happen

1260
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 14: or will help with out with Latavius, James, whoever it is.

1261
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Speaker 14: If you're having a run action, that's what is our

1262
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 14: play action off of that run action that.

1263
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Speaker 7: We can hurt teams with. They don't do that, they

1264
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 7: have to start doing that.

1265
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what we've heard over the last year

1266
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: and a half of this offense is that none of

1267
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: the concepts meshed together with the run the pass, where

1268
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: a round looks like a pass and a pass looks

1269
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 1: like a you know, a coinciding run, so that the

1270
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: defense sees one play, but there are multiple options off

1271
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: of that play. Every like you said, they become predictable.

1272
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: That's that has been an issue and I guess the

1273
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: all end with the same question I asked you before.

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01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: How much of that can they change in a week.

1275
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 15: Enough?

1276
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 7: You could change enough.

1277
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 14: You're they're smart, these guys. You know there's there STANDFL.

1278
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 14: They're smart enough. There's a there's a big book of

1279
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 14: information that they have and enough terminology that they could

1280
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 14: go to. And again this you're not building an offense

1281
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 14: with guys that aren't talented, so there's enough where they

1282
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 14: can make subtle changes to be way more explosive and

1283
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:09,679
Speaker 14: efficient on offense.

1284
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 2: Dan, Thanks is always for the insight and somewhat of

1285
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 2: a therapy session today. We appreciate it.

1286
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: Thanks Dan.

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01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 7: I don't like you guys. I'm fans of the place

1288
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 7: of the people there, so I don't.

1289
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: I don't.

1290
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 14: I don't like it just as much as you guys do.

1291
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 14: So hopefully better next weekend.

1292
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll catch up with you next week. Thanks Dan.

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Speaker 2: That's Dan Orlovski, ESPN NFL analyst joining us as he

1294
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:31,759
Speaker 2: does every week on Tuesdays, and he sees some hope

1295
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 2: down the line here, knowing full well that they have

1296
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 2: to get a lot corrected in a very short period

1297
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Speaker 2: of time. Hopefully that happens. We want to get back

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Speaker 2: to the phones at eight O three five fifty where

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Speaker 2: a lot of people have been waiting patiently here. After

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Speaker 2: Thurman and Dan and we go out to Nevada to

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Speaker 2: talk to Greg. What do you got for is Greg?

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Speaker 5: Good?

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Speaker 16: Afternoon, gentlemen. It's nice to be able to talk to you.

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Speaker 16: But I have a couple of things that are really

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Speaker 16: This loss was one of the most important, disappointing I

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Speaker 16: have ever watched, and I've watched them all. First of all,

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Speaker 16: the coin toss. I don't understand why they gave that up.

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Speaker 16: They win the toss, they should definitely kick off. Second

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Speaker 16: of all, Alan is a gun slinger. You're never gonna

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Speaker 16: change that, and it's great watching him. I hope he

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Speaker 16: never changes his mentality. And you're gonna tell me Dorsey

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Speaker 16: is responsible for Alan's turnovers, I mean Allen's two interceptions

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Speaker 16: and the handoff to Cook inexcusable. Number three, you have

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Speaker 16: a special teams coordinator. That is I feel myself. I

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Speaker 16: feel completely responsible for that twelve man on the field.

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Speaker 16: That is completely unexcusable. And the last thing, gentlemen, maybe

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Speaker 16: you can tell me what happened to the throwback uniforms.

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Speaker 16: I've watched every game, not last year, nor do they

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Speaker 16: plan on doing it this year. Could you please answer

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Speaker 16: those questions?

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Speaker 2: Yeah for me, sure thing, Greg, I don't think anybody

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Speaker 2: was blaming Ken Dorsey for Josh Allen's turnovers. There are

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Speaker 2: other things at play, which Dan Orlowski just very eloquently

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Speaker 2: outlined With the scheme and the fact that there are

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Speaker 2: no changes off of plays that actually even work for

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Speaker 2: them for the most part, they are schematically predictable. These

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Speaker 2: are the elements that likely factored into Ken Dorsey losing

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Speaker 2: his job today. As for Josh Allen, the turnovers are

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Speaker 2: on him. Those are his decisions that he makes with

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Speaker 2: the ball in his hand. And we've run down the list.

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Speaker 2: He now has the most games with three or more

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Speaker 2: turnovers in the league since twenty eighteen. He has ten

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Speaker 2: games with three or more turnovers since twenty eighteen. The

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Speaker 2: bills are nine and sixteen. When Josh Allen has more

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Speaker 2: than one giveaway, I mean, they are almost twice as

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Speaker 2: many losses as wins when he has more than one giveaway,

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Speaker 2: those are on him and to a certain extent, his receivers.

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Speaker 2: Because I think we'll put the second interception that he

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Speaker 2: had last night on Gabe Davis. I think that's fair

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Speaker 2: but you had execution cusion issues all over the map.

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01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 2: It's not just a Dorsey problem. It goes deeper than that.

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Speaker 2: In my estimation, You've got James Cook fumbling the ball

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01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 2: on his first carry. You got Gabe Davis volleyballing it

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01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 2: on a set shot to Justin Simmons for an interception.

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01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 2: Even Dalton kin Ka dropped to pass and that almost

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01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 2: never happens. And you have another ball going off somebody

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Speaker 2: else's hands for a turnover on downs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the only way you could put those turnovers

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01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: and you can't put them on Ken Dorsey. But contributing

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01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 1: might be the ultimate thing that we got out of

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01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 1: Dan Ropskin. We've been saying it, once your offense becomes predictable,

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01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,799
Speaker 1: you're dead. And that's what leads to bad plays.

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Speaker 2: That's what defenders.

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01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: Defenders are in the right places or closer to it

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01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 1: and forcing a better throw and a tougher catch and

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01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 1: a tougher read because the defense kind of gets an

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01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: idea of what's coming. That does put pressure on an offense,

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Speaker 1: that does lead to poor play, that does lead to

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Speaker 1: tipped interceptions, that kind of thing. Fumbles. No, there's no

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Speaker 1: excuse for that because a guy's got the ball in

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Speaker 1: his arm, don't let him have it, and you know

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Speaker 1: Cook fighting for his You know, he's all energetic on

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01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: the first play of the game, he's fighting for extra

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01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: yards and stays on his feet too long and gives

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Speaker 1: them time to get their hands in and wrench it free. Turnover.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's more on the player. But the schematic

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Speaker 1: way that a guy an offensive coordinator can contribute to

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01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 1: the turnover situation is becoming less creative than you need

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01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: to be in order to make defenses not so sure

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Speaker 1: about what's coming at him, even if it looks the

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Speaker 1: same as it did last play. You give them something else.

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Speaker 1: It just gives them pause, which means they're further away

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Speaker 1: from where they should be or supposed to be where

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Speaker 1: the ball is going to be. Makes it an easier

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Speaker 1: throw because there's more space, makes it a less stressful

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Speaker 1: catch because there's more room and less contact coming. All

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Speaker 1: of that stuff plays into turnovers and the way players play.

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01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: You're right, Josh ultimately pulls the trigger and the decisions

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01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: he makes sometimes are poor. But other times he's being

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Speaker 1: asked to make a throw that a defense knows is coming,

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Speaker 1: and that's a problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to take a break here, but more

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Speaker 2: of your phone calls when we return. Colin in North Townawanda,

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Speaker 2: Joe in Texas. We'll get to you when we come

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Speaker 2: back here. On One Bill's Live presented by Colida Health,

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Speaker 2: it's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, welcome back to One

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Speaker 2: Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. Time for

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Speaker 2: us to go around the locker room. Brought to you

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Speaker 2: by Connect Life. Connect Life is your blood and organ

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Speaker 2: donor network. We begin with Sean McDermott who commented on

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Speaker 2: the def defensive effort against the Broncos.

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Speaker 17: Talk about four turnovers and the the ball to the

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01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 17: minus forty is a starting spot. You know, five defensive

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Speaker 17: starters out. Those guys played their ass off. They really did,

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Speaker 17: so I applaud them for it. Certainly certainly worked to

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01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 17: do there as well, but they played hard and and

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Speaker 17: I appreciate that they played hard. There's certainly things we

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01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 17: can work on defensively. They gave us a chance and

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Speaker 17: you know the hit, the tech, the checkdown which that

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Speaker 17: shually have been taken away on that on the two

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Speaker 17: minute drive, so I you know, that's that's one we.

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Speaker 7: Could execute it better.

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Speaker 17: But other than that, I thought we battled and gave

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Speaker 17: us a chance to win and and and got a takeaway.

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Speaker 17: And that's a good offense, you know, talented offense. And

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Speaker 17: you're going out there with five defensive starters out to

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Speaker 17: begin with, and I thought those guys played their asses off.

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Speaker 2: We also heard from Tyler matty Kaevich in the locker room,

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Speaker 2: one of the core special teamers, who had this to

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01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 2: say about the twelve men on the field penalty that

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Speaker 2: led to the Broncos getting a second chance at a

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Speaker 2: game winning field goal.

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Speaker 18: We just got to make sure everyone gets the call. Unfortunately,

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01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 18: we just had twelve guys on the field. I mean,

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Speaker 18: you just can't do that.

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Speaker 1: You can't.

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Speaker 7: That's bad.

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01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 1: That's bad ball right there. And what is the communication

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Speaker 1: like in that situation?

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Speaker 7: Like, is it guys calling out on the field, Like,

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Speaker 7: what is that.

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Speaker 10: Like in that situation?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean we just we knew that there was

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Speaker 18: a potential chance that they were going to go to

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Speaker 18: row and hurry up out there, and and sure, we're

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Speaker 18: we're ready on the sidelines. You know they get they Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 18: I don't. I don't even know, you know, we just

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01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 18: we mess it up. And unfortunately it costs us.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm sorry, not an excuse, but how much

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Speaker 2: of there's so many changes personnel wise with defensively you

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Speaker 2: made that more difficult to play.

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Speaker 1: To execut uh.

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Speaker 18: I mean it's stuff we've worked on it before, you know,

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Speaker 18: so we need to be able to execute that stuff.

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Speaker 8: From those situations.

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Speaker 18: And unfortunately we've done it, and you know, and that's

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Speaker 18: the result. And especially sucks no when he missed it too.

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Speaker 8: You know, that's definitely frustrating.

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Speaker 18: But I mean, shoot, we're sitting here five to five.

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01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 18: You know, we got we got some games left. We

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Speaker 18: just got to get ready for the Jets next week.

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Speaker 18: That's the only thing we could do.

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01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 8: Yep.

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01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 2: Can't change the past. And that's around the locker room

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Speaker 2: presented by Connect Life. Let's get back to the phones

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Speaker 2: where people have been waiting patiently, and we go to

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Speaker 2: Colin in north Tonawanda. What do you got for us?

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Speaker 1: Colin?

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Speaker 15: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. Obviously there's a

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01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 15: lot that we could talk about. I could talk for

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01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,639
Speaker 15: hours about how terrible the performance that was all around

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01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 15: the field. Nobody's should be let off the hook. But

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01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 15: Sean McDermott I just I don't get sure Cook fumbles.

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01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 15: He's had no ball security issues all year. He's not

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01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 15: a pre scorer who had not sharing his legos and

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01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 15: he has to go change his card to red and

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01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 15: you're gonna set him out for a quarter. He's a

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01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 15: professional athlete. He made a mistake. The whole team has

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01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,799
Speaker 15: made plenty of mistakes all year. I don't get sitting

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Speaker 15: him on the sideline for a quarter. Our offense was

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Speaker 15: so stagnant after that. As soon as he came back

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Speaker 15: in the game, drive down the field touchdowns. Secondly, going

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Speaker 15: into the end of the game, why not just have

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Speaker 15: the field goal block unit on there on third down?

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01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 15: You call the time out, put the field goal block

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Speaker 15: unit out there on third down. All they're doing is

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01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,640
Speaker 15: kneeling it. Obviously you should be able to execute and

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01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 15: not have that happen. But I just I don't get

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Speaker 15: why not why you don't just have him out there

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Speaker 15: on third down. They're already in this situation. Make the

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Speaker 15: Broncos rust on the field. You're already ready for it.

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Speaker 15: It just doesn't make any sense to me. Mcdermots failed

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01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 15: failed us so many times analytically, He's just not there.

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01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 15: I mean going back to the Tampa Bay game, he

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01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 15: punted four times on Tampa Bay's territory for the last

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Speaker 15: four drives. The first team thirty years to do that.

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Speaker 15: It just it makes no sense. And I would just

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Speaker 15: let the gele to say about one the benching of Cook,

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Speaker 15: which I just find terrible. I mean, Ty Johnson shouldn't

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01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 15: be getting carries. And second, why not having the field

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Speaker 15: goal block unit out there on third down after the timeout?

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Speaker 2: Yep, thanks for the call, Colin. You want to address

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Speaker 2: the special teams things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you could do that. Certainly, they had already displayed

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01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 1: the fact they were gonna kneel down and it was

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01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: all about clock management at that point. And it was

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Speaker 1: interesting too. I don't think the Bills anticipated the Saints

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01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 1: taking having a time out and then then going into

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Speaker 1: hurry up to get the field goal kicker on. It

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Speaker 1: would have been just the opposite of that rather than

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01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,679
Speaker 1: you know, and and I know the Bills were saying

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01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 1: were they gonna get They were calling a time out

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01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 1: to save time on the clock.

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01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 2: But Denver didn't have any timeouts left at that point.

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Speaker 1: So Denver had to anticipate what the Bills were gonna do,

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Speaker 1: and they kneeled down. The Bills call a timeout so

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Speaker 1: they could conserve clock just in case they couldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: Then they forced the Broncos to run another play and

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Speaker 1: then hurry up. Now you're right, and it would have

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01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 1: changed everything if the Bills put their field goal defense

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Speaker 1: unit on. But you run the risk of Denver calling

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01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 1: a play and if it's not there, just throwing the

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Speaker 1: in completion. You know what I mean. If you got

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01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: eight defensive linemen on the field trying to push in

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01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: to block a punt and one defensive back and you

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01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 1: send three guys out, you got a fat guy garding

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01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 1: an athlete, and all of a sudden, it's a touchdown

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01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: or it's an in completion and Russ just backs up

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Speaker 1: and throws it out of the end zone and you're

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Speaker 1: no worse off. So you run that risk. They put

1511
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: the defense out there and do exactly what they practice doing.

1512
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 1: Hustle on, hustle off. The same eleven guys that blocked

1513
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 1: that have been on field goal defense the entire night

1514
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: need to be out there and everybody else needs to

1515
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: get off, and they just did not get it done. Certainly,

1516
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: there are other calls. So there are plays where you

1517
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 1: have a different eleven guys, as Medakevitch said, you can

1518
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: imagine they have different calls for different eleven guys on

1519
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 1: field Goald defense. Somebody got the wrong call or didn't

1520
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: get the right call, and there you have it.

1521
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1522
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 2: As for James Cook, Sean McDermott was asked about him

1523
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 2: sitting out for what amounted to about two quarters of play,

1524
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,719
Speaker 2: and he didn't answer the question directly as to whether

1525
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 2: it was his decision. All he said was, I told

1526
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 2: him I believe in him. I can tell you that,

1527
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 2: whether that was play fifteen or whatever. I told him,

1528
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 2: I believe in him. And I thought he came out

1529
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 2: and ran the ball better. Still, the ball came out

1530
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,719
Speaker 2: on the one long run in particular where it bounced

1531
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 2: back up to him. That can happen, Like I said earlier,

1532
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 2: that's part of the job description. I will submit this,

1533
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 2: and I'm not a coach, and I don't know how

1534
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 2: to handle these kinds of situations at the professional level.

1535
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 2: But that was Cook's first fumble and I think almost

1536
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 2: three hundred carries. His last fumble was Week one of

1537
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 2: his rookie season against the LA Rams.

1538
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 1: This his first carry as a pro.

1539
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, two hundred and nine carries later, he has another fumble.

1540
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 2: He's benched for two quarters, and granted he comes back

1541
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 2: in the game and he gets stripped again. That's not good.

1542
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 2: Coach is right, you can't have that. But somebody's got

1543
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 2: to explain to me how that is different from a

1544
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 2: receiver who has a catch rate of like sixty percent.

1545
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 2: This guy has one fumble and almost three hundred carries.

1546
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 2: You got receivers out there with ten twelve drops on

1547
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 2: the season already. How come they don't sit. Somebody's got

1548
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 2: to help me with that, because to me, it's the

1549
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 2: same thing. You're hurting your team just the same.

1550
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 1: Well, not exactly the same. A turnover is worse than

1551
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: to drop pass.

1552
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 2: Well, we've seen tip passes go for interceptions too.

1553
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:30,759
Speaker 1: I get that as well.

1554
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, it just doesn't seem like equally punitive.

1555
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 1: Seems incongruous. Yes, but I'll say this too, say what

1556
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 1: you want. Nobody like to see James Cook fumble the

1557
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 1: ball and lose it on the first play from scrimmage

1558
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 1: and nobody, you know, a lot of us are like,

1559
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 1: what difference make? Why can't you put him on the field.

1560
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: But I'll say this when he came back in, he

1561
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 1: was a different dude than we've seen him all year.

1562
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 1: So whatever buttons Joshan mcgermott was trying to push. You

1563
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:58,719
Speaker 1: can say he should have come in one series earlier

1564
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 1: or whatever, but when he got back in, the message

1565
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 1: was clear that it had gotten through to James Cook.

1566
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 1: He rushed for one hundred and nine yards on twelve

1567
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: touches the rest of.

1568
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 2: The game, almost broke on for a touchdown and.

1569
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: Had a chance to break one for a touchdown. So

1570
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 1: as far as James Cook goes, that night after that

1571
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 1: first play went about as well as it could have

1572
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: gone for him last night.

1573
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 2: And let's say Murray ran it well when Cook was out,

1574
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 2: and McDermott deserves some credit for that as well.

1575
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 1: Even if you don't like his methods. The guy got

1576
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: the results he was looking for.

1577
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 2: That has always been his mo. And I mean he

1578
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 2: benched Devin Singletary, he bench Zach Moss. He's done it

1579
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 2: his entire career. Here, you don't protect the football as

1580
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 2: a running back. You sit on the bench for a

1581
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:42,799
Speaker 2: while and think about.

1582
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:47,600
Speaker 1: This, right, and I see the imbalance between how egregious

1583
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: a turnover is certainly put a drop pass on a

1584
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:53,680
Speaker 1: third down, or a force tipped or a tipped interception

1585
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 1: where it goes you know where it's a catchable ball

1586
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 1: and you don't catch it and it turns into an interception.

1587
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 1: To me, is he's equally egregious. But it's not treated that.

1588
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 2: Way, no, by anybody.

1589
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 1: It seems right. It's not just my dermot, it's not

1590
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: it's just McDermott by anybody. Everybody's kind of.

1591
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 2: Like, I don't understand how those two don't add up.

1592
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 2: I said the same thing.

1593
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 1: That's a bad you know, we will and I do

1594
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 1: it too. I was like, that's a bad break because

1595
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 1: I played receiver too, and I know, you know, he's

1596
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 1: not trying well, not that anybody's trying to fumble the

1597
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: ball or whatever. Yeah, it's it's weird. That's a weird

1598
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 1: difference to delineate. Yeah, but I think a lot of

1599
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 1: people do it, including obviously Bill's head coach.

1600
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And uh, I would just hope that, you know,

1601
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 2: James Cook gets more opportunities in the passing game going

1602
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 2: forward under Joe Brady. We'll see what happens this coming

1603
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 2: Sunday on a short week. Uh, let's go to Joe

1604
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 2: in Texas? Here, what do you got for us?

1605
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 7: Joe?

1606
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, how you doing today?

1607
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 8: Good?

1608
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 6: Hey?

1609
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 5: So, yeah, that caller is I'm sitting out hold for

1610
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 5: like forty five minutes. I was going to say the

1611
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 5: same thing to call her before. And I also wanted

1612
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 5: to add, you know, taking Cook out for that long,

1613
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:01,719
Speaker 5: I don't think it was right. But he also didn't

1614
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 5: get to start for two or three weeks in a row.

1615
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 5: They had Murray out there, So I just kind of

1616
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 5: I kind of found like the picking on James Cook.

1617
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 5: You know, you hear mc dermott every press conference. It's accountability,

1618
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 5: it's accountability, and it sure does seem like James Cook's

1619
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 5: the only one being held accountable. Dave Davis running wrong routes,

1620
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 5: you know every game doesn't help, and you know, you know, accountability,

1621
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 5: everybody's got to have it on the team, not just

1622
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 5: one guy, right.

1623
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And with Murray that was the crux of his

1624
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 2: players only meeting just earlier this past week, when he

1625
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 2: asked the offensive staff if he could have a player's

1626
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 2: only meeting, he was granted, and he was talking quite

1627
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 2: frankly about player to player accountability and holding each other accountable.

1628
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:50,679
Speaker 2: For a standard of play that they have not met

1629
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 2: for the better part of the last six weeks.

1630
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know about Davis running continually running

1631
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:57,679
Speaker 1: wrong routes. I don't know anything.

1632
01:25:58,479 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 2: I don't have anybody would.

1633
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 1: I don't know that anybody has been running wrong routes.

1634
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 8: But he hasn't.

1635
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: You know, he Gabe drops the ball. That's the one

1636
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 1: thing people has won criticism about him is that his

1637
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: catch rat show to his targets is not high enough.

1638
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 1: Last night, having one go through his on the second

1639
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:16,839
Speaker 1: series after they just lost a fumble on the first series.

1640
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 1: Having to go through his hands on a third down

1641
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 1: when he's passed the marker and then get intercepted stinks

1642
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 1: and people blame him for it, and they kind of

1643
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:26,599
Speaker 1: hang on to it. But I don't know that it's

1644
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 1: it's indicative of him running the wrong route.

1645
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 2: I think what he's probably getting at. My guest is

1646
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 2: Joe has seen him and Josh not on the same

1647
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 2: page on some option routes the last couple of weeks.

1648
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 2: That has happened. Doesn't mean he's making running the wrong route.

1649
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 2: He's got two options, he picked one, Josh through to

1650
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 2: the other, and they don't connect. It's a miscommunication more

1651
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 2: than it is an.

1652
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 1: Error, that's exactly and it's hard to get it right.

1653
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 1: And that's why quarterbacks love to throw to guys who

1654
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 1: they trust. Josh obviously trusts Gabe Davis because he continues

1655
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,719
Speaker 1: to throw to him. Same thing as Diggs and Kincaid

1656
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 1: and now Shakir seems to be in that mix as well.

1657
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 1: But it takes time, and and there are hard concepts

1658
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 1: to get right. When you're under duress and being playing

1659
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: against a real opponent who's really trying to beat you

1660
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 1: and make it as tough as they can. It's hard

1661
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 1: to get it right sometimes. And we've seen that the

1662
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks where Gabe Davis snapped off a

1663
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 1: route at the sideline, Josh throws it deep one cost

1664
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 1: him an a bogus but still still valid passing uh rough.

1665
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 1: What am I saying, intentional grounding? The intentional grounding penalty

1666
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: where it went long and Gabe cut it off short

1667
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 1: is the exact same thing that happened last night. Josh

1668
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: threw it a long, Gabe broke it off short. Same

1669
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 1: miscommunication that might be a problem, and that we've seen

1670
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: that now twice.

1671
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 2: Break time for us. Steve and I close it up

1672
01:27:50,800 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 2: next here on One Bill's Live All Right Final segment.

1673
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 9: Here on a.

1674
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:15,799
Speaker 2: Tuesday edition of One Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker

1675
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 2: with you, and that Joe Brady era begins on the

1676
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 2: offensive side of the ball for the Bills here with

1677
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 2: the news coming down today that Ken Dorsey has been

1678
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 2: relieved of his duties as offensive coordinator. Quarterbacks coach Joe

1679
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 2: Brady takes over. We've solicited the opinions of Thurman, Thomas

1680
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 2: and dan Orlowski on where this offense goes from here.

1681
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 2: It sounds as though it's reasonable to think, Steve, that

1682
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 2: the offense can be tweaked but radically changed. Maybe a

1683
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,560
Speaker 2: lot to ask, especially on a short.

1684
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:52,640
Speaker 1: Week, and I think most Bills fantasy I think you

1685
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: and me are okay with that premise, because we've never

1686
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 1: really felt like it was massively wrong that you know

1687
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 1: it over too much. Okay, that's one thing, being a

1688
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 1: little bit predictable, that's another. You don't have to do

1689
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 1: too much to become a little bit more unpredictable. And

1690
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 1: turnovers or to me, like a faucet, you can turn

1691
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 1: those off just by you know, by emphasizing it. You know,

1692
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:20,759
Speaker 1: we've seen them. You'll just turn on. They don't happen anymore,

1693
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 1: all of a sudden. So yeah, I think it's a

1694
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 1: feasible expectation.

1695
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 2: We'll talk more bills and jets as we flip to

1696
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 2: week eleven when we come back your way tomorrow at

1697
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 2: one pm. We'll see you here on one pills left,