Speaker 1: Hey, Bethany, what's going on? We can hear you, you
Speaker 1: can we can here, but we can hear you. You
Speaker 1: can't hear us? Correct, I cannot hear you. Um let
Speaker 1: me find out, but I hear what do I want
Speaker 1: to know? What you're eating? I want to me I'm
Speaker 1: meeting my list of healthy cookie Sorry. Hi, this is
Speaker 1: just be with Bethany Frankel, and I am so excited
Speaker 1: to share the first episode on my new podcast with you.
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to start out by talking about
Speaker 1: why I'm doing a podcast. There are so many podcasts
Speaker 1: out there. I'm sure it's hard to even keep up.
Speaker 1: And I had a brief stint on the radio, and
Speaker 1: I will get into why that didn't work, because it's
Speaker 1: a very I don't know if you'll think it's a
Speaker 1: funny story, but it involves me throwing a drink on
Speaker 1: someone during a Cold Play concert who was blocking the audience.
Speaker 1: And she may or may not have been married to
Speaker 1: Gary Cone, who was working for Donald Trump, who and
Speaker 1: he her husband may or may not have been the
Speaker 1: person doing the first round of funding for Serious Radio
Speaker 1: where the show was. She may or may not have
Speaker 1: been sitting in a group of wo with sequin tops
Speaker 1: on in large diamond earrings blocking the audience and may
Speaker 1: or may not have thrown orange juice on her. And
Speaker 1: then my podcast, I mean sorry, Then my radio show,
Speaker 1: which was in negotiations to be on pretty much every day,
Speaker 1: sort of dissolved. So anyway, I digress. We can get
Speaker 1: into that story on another day and many others. But
Speaker 1: the reason I'm doing a podcast is because even when
Speaker 1: I'm on reality TV, there is an editing process. It
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it's not real what you've seen. It
Speaker 1: just means that there's a narrative that is not necessarily
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to put right. It maybe about my
Speaker 1: relationship to other people, or my work or my dating
Speaker 1: or something that someone else is controlling. And when I
Speaker 1: write books, they usually have just one topic that we're
Speaker 1: talking about, and it's, you know, easily a year before
Speaker 1: it gets published, and it's just it's it's still it's
Speaker 1: it's the written word, it's not verbal. And so a podcast,
Speaker 1: for me, I've just felt like I need a place
Speaker 1: to vent, to rant, to discuss, to educate, to learn,
Speaker 1: to be sort of just to have fun, to just
Speaker 1: kind of get into it, honestly, I don't think people
Speaker 1: are gonna like everything I have to say, nor agree
Speaker 1: with me, but I'm excited to have this medium to
Speaker 1: talk about. What I want to talk about are just
Speaker 1: things that I think in my head that I know
Speaker 1: would be wrong to say, But like I'm thinking in
Speaker 1: my head, so someone else has to be thinking. One
Speaker 1: of you is thinking the things that I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: every day. And the truth is, because of social media,
Speaker 1: everything's out there and this is a scarier time for
Speaker 1: a person like me who's so opinionated and polarizing to
Speaker 1: do this. So let's go. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do anything interesting by cowering and
Speaker 1: being nervous to to say how I really feel. So
Speaker 1: this is what that's going to be. It's going to
Speaker 1: be not about just what I feel. But I want
Speaker 1: to have people on here that want to be in
Speaker 1: a real conversation that I'm not just gonna ask them
Speaker 1: how do you balance your work in home life? Like
Speaker 1: I'm not asking things that you've heard already that are
Speaker 1: just regurgitated nonsense. It's not just for people to come
Speaker 1: on here and promote a book. I want to hear
Speaker 1: what they think about different things. I want to hear
Speaker 1: what moguls and people who are self made people have
Speaker 1: started from the bottom now they're here, what they think,
Speaker 1: what they do, what they eat, how they live, and
Speaker 1: how their minds work. I want to get inside people's
Speaker 1: minds and have different kinds of conversations, positive and negative.
Speaker 1: Let's see what happens. I literally, I'm going to go
Speaker 1: through this with you, so we'll figure it out together.
Speaker 1: But I'm excited and I'm just into it, so let's
Speaker 1: get into it. So today we're going to talk with
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban, who I really do respect and admire and adore.
Speaker 1: He's just fun. He's half a dick. He's just smart, brilliant, opinionated.
Speaker 1: He's the owner of the Dallas Mavericks. He's a Shark
Speaker 1: Tank host. He's the Shark Tank host. So you could
Speaker 1: tell them all pissed them all off. I don't care.
Speaker 1: He is the main guy to me. Mark and I
Speaker 1: are going to talk about how people become a success,
Speaker 1: whether it's through hard work and dedication or devouring and
Speaker 1: analyzing all the information you can. And let me tell you,
Speaker 1: Mark is an expert a devouring information. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: how we raise our kids, the reality of being a
Speaker 1: public figure on Twitter, and Mark is going to share
Speaker 1: a story about President Trump that I don't think he
Speaker 1: was even expecting to talk about. So here it is, guys,
Speaker 1: my conversation with Mark Cuban. Overall, I have really really
Speaker 1: invested in this podcast in a way that I don't
Speaker 1: with other things. I'm a wing it kind of person.
Speaker 1: But with this podcast, because I'm talking to serious people
Speaker 1: who their time is so valuable, I take time to
Speaker 1: just prepare and think about who they are and what
Speaker 1: makes them tick. And I'm just honored to say that
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban, who I'm friends with, is a guest on
Speaker 1: today's podcast. So welcome Mark Cuban. Thanks for having me on, Bethany,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to be here. Thank you. I really mean it.
Speaker 1: I know your time is so valuable. You wake up,
Speaker 1: what five o'clock in the morning. No, no, but my
Speaker 1: time is your time, Bethany. You already know that, You've
Speaker 1: always known that, So whatever you need, I can say
Speaker 1: I know a lot of smart people, and I the
Speaker 1: way that your mind works is so fascinating, and that's
Speaker 1: one of the things that throughout this conversation I want
Speaker 1: to get into because you definitely tick in a different way.
Speaker 1: You're you have a different clock. I know about a
Speaker 1: tenth of what you know about in business, and that's
Speaker 1: not that's not me just like fishing, That's truthfully what
Speaker 1: I really think. Because you have so much data and
Speaker 1: so much information, and you do so much research, you
Speaker 1: are always woke about every aspect of politics, business, sports,
Speaker 1: like you're just you devour information. I know that about
Speaker 1: I'd love to read. I mean that that's the absolute truth.
Speaker 1: I mean. Part of what also has worked for me
Speaker 1: is I learned early on. You know, I got fired
Speaker 1: from a company selling software and I started my own company,
Speaker 1: and what I learned very quickly was that you know,
Speaker 1: all this information is available to everybody, but very few
Speaker 1: people actually put into time to learn it or to
Speaker 1: get to understand it. And that just became a habit
Speaker 1: for me. You know, whether it's reading about businesses, companies,
Speaker 1: stark market, stock market, technology, politics, whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: I just tried, you know, two three four hours a day.
Speaker 1: I'm reading and learning and trying to stay ahead and
Speaker 1: get ahead and keep up. That's fascinating. So for you,
Speaker 1: you're saying devouring information, which I don't do as much
Speaker 1: as you do. I do my boyfriend does it as
Speaker 1: much as you do. And I love to be around
Speaker 1: people like you because you're the type person that would
Speaker 1: like I could call and you would just send me
Speaker 1: this information or tell me something, or just like crystallize
Speaker 1: something into something so simple. We were on Shark Tank
Speaker 1: and we were looking at this pillow company that I
Speaker 1: was obsessed with because it was playing sleeping music through
Speaker 1: the pillow. And you were like, you you go, so
Speaker 1: you like the fucking pillow? Buy a pillow for a
Speaker 1: hundred fifty dollars, you have to buy the company. And
Speaker 1: it was just so like just something that like a
Speaker 1: dad figure who knows everything and he's read everything you
Speaker 1: would say. You were like, buy the funker, I'll buy
Speaker 1: you the pillow. So what I want to say, though,
Speaker 1: is the same way that you say reading all that information.
Speaker 1: I always say, it's not about bills and whistles. It's
Speaker 1: not about filter, it's not about Instagram, it's not about bullshit.
Speaker 1: It's about hard work. You be Michael phelps you get
Speaker 1: to that wall. You don't look to the left or
Speaker 1: the right, You swim, you work, You don't think about
Speaker 1: what everyone else is doing. You do what you're doing,
Speaker 1: and you have conviction, and you know, it's a great
Speaker 1: bethany because a lot of people always, I'm sure they
Speaker 1: do the same thing with you, well what business should
Speaker 1: I start? And I'm like, well, if you don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, no one's gonna tell you. You have to
Speaker 1: do the work you know, or will you mentor me
Speaker 1: and help me. You've got to do the work. You've
Speaker 1: got to learn because one of the greatest assets you
Speaker 1: can have in anything that you do is being excited
Speaker 1: about learning, because the only constant in this life has changed.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at what we're going through right now
Speaker 1: and that change. You know. Hopefully we get past the virus,
Speaker 1: and I think we will, but there's there's gonna be
Speaker 1: new things that come down, and you've really got you
Speaker 1: can't just be ignorant to it all, you know, if
Speaker 1: you want to be successful, you have to put in
Speaker 1: the time to learn. Well, yes, I think so many
Speaker 1: people are thinking of this as a horrible time, which
Speaker 1: it is because obviously, you know, unemployment has never been
Speaker 1: at these numbers and people are just it's upside down.
Speaker 1: If you help, if you happen to have an online
Speaker 1: education program that you were working on, you're you're you're
Speaker 1: crushing the game, and if you happen to own commercial
Speaker 1: real estate, you're fucked. But what that does is that
Speaker 1: makes this a whole different playing field. Like some people
Speaker 1: can just literally start from scratch, because a lot of
Speaker 1: people are just bottomed out and rock bottom. So let's
Speaker 1: get scratched, you know, because you know, traditionally, typically when
Speaker 1: you started, come and you're competing with a bunch of
Speaker 1: big companies that have a huge advantage financially experienced wise,
Speaker 1: customer base wise. But now, because of COVID and because
Speaker 1: the social unrest, because everything that's happened together with that
Speaker 1: and all the tragedy comes with it, you know, the
Speaker 1: big companies don't. They're trying to figure out just how
Speaker 1: to stay in business. They're trying to figure out, you know,
Speaker 1: what am I going to do next? They're trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how to deal with the social change that's occurring.
Speaker 1: But if you're starting from scratch, you don't have those
Speaker 1: legacy problems that have to address. It's fascinating what you're saying,
Speaker 1: because it's true, I haven't thought I know that intellectually,
Speaker 1: but I haven't really thought about the big business. Those
Speaker 1: are big cruise ships you're trying to move ocean liners
Speaker 1: and like they're just trying to stay on the water.
Speaker 1: And the other small companies are nimble. Their sports cars
Speaker 1: they can navigate. So that's interesting. I like, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't have capital, they don't have anything but their
Speaker 1: pissing vinegar and hard work, and that starts small and
Speaker 1: just takes off. I tell people, you know, we're when
Speaker 1: we look back in twenty years, they're gonna be hundred
Speaker 1: world changing companies that were created right now because people
Speaker 1: had a vision for the future and what it should
Speaker 1: be like. You know, we we've seen that happened so
Speaker 1: many times. You know, look at social media. Facebook didn't
Speaker 1: exist and then it did. Snapchat had an angle, right
Speaker 1: all all of the big apps you know are relatively recent,
Speaker 1: but you know, one day they didn't exist. You know,
Speaker 1: mobile computing came along that, you know, mobile networking came along.
Speaker 1: They took advantage of apps, and boom they became huge companies.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna look back and say, Okay, you know
Speaker 1: there's this business reset in and there were a bunch
Speaker 1: of kids that came out and said I have a
Speaker 1: better idea. Let's go in that direction and it worked.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. Okay, So Mark, it's you have five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, you have nothing, and you're not worried about
Speaker 1: you don't have family, You're just you out as an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: What are you doing with? What are you doing tomorrow?
Speaker 1: What are you What are you doing? So I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even need the five thousand dollars. I'd get a job, right.
Speaker 1: I don't care what the job is. I don't care
Speaker 1: if it's a bartending job. I don't care if it's
Speaker 1: sweeping floors. I don't care if it's working at McDonald's.
Speaker 1: But I get it. I get a job, and then
Speaker 1: from there I go to work trying to start a company.
Speaker 1: You know, it's probably gonna be an online company. It's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be involving Amazon Alexa and writing voice scripts
Speaker 1: and just geeking out and helping people with ambient voice
Speaker 1: because with all the COVID and everything, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people are going to gear towards touch free environments.
Speaker 1: And that's when Amazon, Alexa, Google Home, Microsoft Coartana do so,
Speaker 1: get any job and then the rest of the day
Speaker 1: bust My ask to become an expert in and sell
Speaker 1: a company built around mbent voice. All right, perfect, So
Speaker 1: that you're basically saying old school, get off your ass,
Speaker 1: go to go work or make some money, figure it out, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: pay Yeah. And I think there's this we we haven't
Speaker 1: entitled vibe with people now and entitled sort of mentality
Speaker 1: now because that's one thing about social media and all
Speaker 1: these influencers that I don't love for our kids, because
Speaker 1: they are watching people who are fifteen years old making
Speaker 1: money just for like, you know, showing their asses and pictures.
Speaker 1: And I think there's not a lot of showing like
Speaker 1: just hard work in young people anymore. There's not a
Speaker 1: lot of showing that. You know. It's all different though, right.
Speaker 1: Let me look if if we were if if I
Speaker 1: was twenty two and broke, you know, maybe I would
Speaker 1: go to social media around you see if it works,
Speaker 1: and if it doesn't, I wouldn't stop there. So I'm
Speaker 1: not saying don't do it that. My ten year old
Speaker 1: son is a perfect example. He streams, right, he streams
Speaker 1: his games. He gets four users, four users, but he
Speaker 1: just keeps ongoing back for more. Now, what what I
Speaker 1: really get a jazzed about when he does it isn't
Speaker 1: how many users he gets because he's ten, but all
Speaker 1: the work he's got to do to figure out all
Speaker 1: these platforms streamable right, you know, open broadcasting system. So
Speaker 1: he's not like saying to me, Dad, would you do
Speaker 1: this work for me? He's figuring it all out by
Speaker 1: himself and with his friends. And to me, that's impressive.
Speaker 1: Love that. Now, even if you know he doesn't make
Speaker 1: any money from this, he's just the fact that he's
Speaker 1: learning how to solve his own technical problems is huge.
Speaker 1: I love that. And it's funny that you know, you
Speaker 1: have a ten year old I have a ten year
Speaker 1: old daughter, and they don't want us to help them.
Speaker 1: They want to do it on their own because they
Speaker 1: know that we have influence and power to get things done.
Speaker 1: It's nice to see that. How do you raise rich kids? Like?
Speaker 1: How do you do it? I mean, I have my
Speaker 1: own philosophy, So how do you do it? Like you're
Speaker 1: not gonna be like you want to go on vacations
Speaker 1: and you have a plane, and so you're not gonna
Speaker 1: just be like you guys walk, I'm flying, you know,
Speaker 1: because because I worked so hard and you know, my
Speaker 1: my personal thing is if you're a nice person and
Speaker 1: you're a good person and you're you know, the world
Speaker 1: is your oyster. If you're you just have to be
Speaker 1: a good nice person. Otherwise I agree. I agree, because
Speaker 1: we try to, you know, you try to an example
Speaker 1: your kids watch how you treat people. And so that's
Speaker 1: part one, part two. Yeah, I mean, look, we've got
Speaker 1: a plane, we've got houses all over the place, so
Speaker 1: they know they're spoiled at that level. But my wife
Speaker 1: and I try to keep it as normal as possible
Speaker 1: the rest of the way, you know, trying to talk
Speaker 1: to them like adults, trying to you know, convey to
Speaker 1: them that you know, this is a dangerous time. Sixteen
Speaker 1: year old daughter, that is hard. You know, she the
Speaker 1: minute she took fifteen, my wife and I got really
Speaker 1: stupid and just trying to convey, you know, the importance
Speaker 1: of some of these things and getting it to resonate.
Speaker 1: And she's smart, she gets great grades and everything, but
Speaker 1: she's also very social and she wants to blaze her
Speaker 1: own path and she'll try to figure out things on
Speaker 1: her own, and so we we just try to encourage
Speaker 1: her to to keep on learning and be respectful of everybody.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's definitely hard. I mean, the first
Speaker 1: world problems for sure. But we're doing the best weekend.
Speaker 1: But we put it in the oven and we hope
Speaker 1: that the recipe turns out great. But I will say this,
Speaker 1: I've been to your house. I've been to your You
Speaker 1: had a milestone birthday party. It was a major party
Speaker 1: and Stevie Wonder was performing and the Chain Smokers performed,
Speaker 1: and it was an elaborate, amazing, gorgeous tent with all
Speaker 1: these basketball players. And what I remember is you walking
Speaker 1: around in a T shirt, like any T shirt that
Speaker 1: I would wear, like that, I wouldn't. I don't even
Speaker 1: wear that T shirt. It's like a random nothing weekend
Speaker 1: T shirt, holding a bottle of like Boone's, like some
Speaker 1: crappy Okay, You're holding a bottle of like crappy seven
Speaker 1: eleven High School in Florida liquor that we probably was
Speaker 1: four dollars, and like no one was watching. There wasn't
Speaker 1: any like cameras or anything was You're you're really living
Speaker 1: your life. And I watched you walking around just hugging
Speaker 1: people like a big kid with that crappy liquor, with
Speaker 1: your T shirt on, hugging your family, dancing like a
Speaker 1: nice dork that just happened to be surrounded by all
Speaker 1: like a handsome dor successful but you didn't wouldn't know
Speaker 1: that in that moment, you didn't. It didn't even seem
Speaker 1: like it was necessarily your party. You're just hanging out
Speaker 1: like talking to everyone, and it made me so happy
Speaker 1: because you definitely are real and down to earth and
Speaker 1: when people see you, I'm sure they're very intimidated. I'm
Speaker 1: sure some people think you're a dick because you're opinionated
Speaker 1: and you're so polarizing. But I just said, I I
Speaker 1: just that was my entire takeaway about the entire party.
Speaker 1: You were just so down to earth and you just
Speaker 1: there someone who happened to make a lot of money.
Speaker 1: But you would have been living this exact way if
Speaker 1: you were in a one bedroom apartment pretty much. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I was happy when I was broke. Um,
Speaker 1: enjoyed my life. Um. And when you know what I
Speaker 1: found is when you know you've been around a lot
Speaker 1: of people that have made money too, and you know
Speaker 1: if they were happy before they made money, they were
Speaker 1: happier when they made money. If they were miserable before
Speaker 1: they made money. They're just more miserable and miserable in
Speaker 1: a different way after they made money. My friends from
Speaker 1: high school from college were all there, you know, from
Speaker 1: Shark Tank and the maths, and it was just so cool. Now,
Speaker 1: unfortunately I don't remember half the night. I do, that's
Speaker 1: the downside of mad Duck and Tito's vodka. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was an amazing night. I'm so glad
Speaker 1: you were there, And yeah, that was That was me
Speaker 1: and my element and my kids were there too. That
Speaker 1: was the first time and the only time really they've
Speaker 1: ever seen me drink or drunk. So I told him
Speaker 1: in advance that this is not how data usually is,
Speaker 1: but at least not anymore. Um So, it's not it's
Speaker 1: not how you are. When I go to l A
Speaker 1: and I've done Shark Tank at the hotel, people are socialized.
Speaker 1: People from the show are socializing at the bar, you know,
Speaker 1: wheeling and dealing, and you're in your cut off workout
Speaker 1: shirt eating some sort of lean protein in the restaurant
Speaker 1: where everybody else is, but you're by yourself, and you're like,
Speaker 1: go straight to the gym and then go to bed.
Speaker 1: And I think people like to hear that that people
Speaker 1: who are successful are really no hard don't get me wrong, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, but over time, you know, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just harder to go out. Now, the more visible and um,
Speaker 1: the more recognizable you are, the harder it is. But
Speaker 1: back before anybody knew who I was, you know, it
Speaker 1: was a different beast. But things change. Same. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: nine HOMEBODI temper cent lunatic, and when that temper cent comes,
Speaker 1: no one knows it's coming, and it's like, get out
Speaker 1: of the way. Yeah, exactly right, exactly exactly. So I
Speaker 1: mentioned this earlier, but I want to come back to it.
Speaker 1: Do you think you're polarizing? You know, it really depends
Speaker 1: on the circumstances and context and so on social media, yes,
Speaker 1: because I don't give a funk, right, I'll say what's
Speaker 1: on my mind and what I think is right. But
Speaker 1: that's what twitters for. I like to go on Twitter
Speaker 1: and say things that I know will upset people because
Speaker 1: I want to see the response. And particularly now, over
Speaker 1: the last four years, things have become so partisan that
Speaker 1: whatever side you're on, everybody else is going to hate you.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing that's crazy. One side of the world.
Speaker 1: Every it's free and freedom of speech and everyone should
Speaker 1: be allowed to be who they are. And you say
Speaker 1: something about any issue, whether it's political or even just
Speaker 1: what you feel about someone's hair, you know, or what
Speaker 1: someone's choice for business or the name of their company,
Speaker 1: and you get true. You always have to remind yourself
Speaker 1: that that Twitter is not real world. You know, Instagram comments,
Speaker 1: YouTube comments are not real world. That's where people get
Speaker 1: all kinds of courage. Exactly. The funniest part is on Twitter,
Speaker 1: in particular, when you look at the people that talk
Speaker 1: ship to you. They never have their picture or real
Speaker 1: name ever, are just random pictures or avatars or whatever.
Speaker 1: Because then you know, and that just tells you they're
Speaker 1: not there really to voice an opinion. They're just there
Speaker 1: to talk ship. Yes, but at times I do enjoy
Speaker 1: the medium because it's like a forum for people to
Speaker 1: express their opinion. I mean, people talking to each other
Speaker 1: and getting into arguments with each other. Sometimes I like
Speaker 1: to sit back and just watch it because you're getting
Speaker 1: bird's eye view into different perspectives. Exactly. There's a sportswriter
Speaker 1: in Dallas, Randy Galloway, and you always used to talk
Speaker 1: about checking your whole card, right. Things you think you
Speaker 1: know and things you think you believe in, but unless
Speaker 1: you have somebody else question them, where you open them
Speaker 1: up to questioning, you don't really know. And so you
Speaker 1: always want to have people question you and and check
Speaker 1: your whole card. And that's what I like to do
Speaker 1: all the time. I agree, And sometimes Instagram, Twitter, etcetera.
Speaker 1: They can be the place to do it when everyone's
Speaker 1: not yelling at each other and bullying. I can't handle
Speaker 1: the negativity and the bullying, and I can't deal with
Speaker 1: the people that are afraid. I mean, there's so many
Speaker 1: celebrities right now who are just terrified to say anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's sometimes you know, we do get afraid every
Speaker 1: now and then to do certain things right because for
Speaker 1: most people, a tweets is just a tweet. For us,
Speaker 1: it's not right. When you have a big enough following,
Speaker 1: you know, you know that they're a it's gonna be
Speaker 1: picked up as a headline. And when the headline is
Speaker 1: getting picked up, half the half the articles are gonna
Speaker 1: be taken out of context. Be you know, there's there's trolling,
Speaker 1: which is fine, like you said, people battling each other whatever.
Speaker 1: And then there's organized trolling, you know, where all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're gonna get a million your mentions are
Speaker 1: going to have a million, you know, replies, and you
Speaker 1: can't even use Twitter or you know, your inbox, your
Speaker 1: email inbox or whatever, your phone number is going to
Speaker 1: find its way out. So there's different things, and so
Speaker 1: there's different ways. But generally, like if it's just normal topics,
Speaker 1: I'm the same as you fucket right, I'll say whatever
Speaker 1: is on my mind. And I kind of liked the
Speaker 1: battle and I want to engage, you know, and let's
Speaker 1: just go. Yeah, I get it. I mean I'm the
Speaker 1: same way. And not too long ago, you actually had
Speaker 1: a short Twitter feud with Ted Cruz. Do you know
Speaker 1: him personally? Have you met him personally? You've never met him,
Speaker 1: So the only the only connection I had to him
Speaker 1: was during the twenty six team primaries. I came out
Speaker 1: and said something positive about Trump and I said I
Speaker 1: was an ABC guy. Anybody but Cruise and his office
Speaker 1: sent me an email saying he'd like to get together
Speaker 1: and I'm like, fine, I'll get together with them. I
Speaker 1: don't care, you know, and then they sent that I
Speaker 1: suggested time, and it was like what about the Sunday night.
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, that's Valentine's Day. And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: why don't you bring your wife over and you can
Speaker 1: have dinner with Ted. I'm like, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: bring my wife over to have dinner with Jed Cruise
Speaker 1: on Valentine's Day? You know, So that was my only
Speaker 1: exposure experience with him. If you saw him in person,
Speaker 1: would you laugh it off? Would you both shrug it off?
Speaker 1: I won't care, Like, yeah, it's not personal right as Twitter,
Speaker 1: it's not personal. It's Twitter. That's a good tagline, that's funny.
Speaker 1: And then did you know Trump in another life? Drump
Speaker 1: for almost twenty years? Because I would see him wanting
Speaker 1: your approval, like someone like you is his kind of person.
Speaker 1: You're in sports, you're wealthy, yeah, no question, you're a gangster.
Speaker 1: So what would happen if you saw him? Like, what
Speaker 1: happened if you saw him? Well? I was in the
Speaker 1: White House last year, right, and I didn't know how
Speaker 1: he would respond to me. I was there talking about
Speaker 1: healthcare project I was working on with Jared Kushner and
Speaker 1: and Jared was like, well, the boss wants to see
Speaker 1: you in the oval. Office. I'm like, okay, kind of surprised,
Speaker 1: and I walked in, he goes, hey, Mark, And that's
Speaker 1: that's who Donald is. You know, Donald is what what
Speaker 1: can you what can you do for me? Now? And
Speaker 1: that's my whole relationship over twenty years. It's been, you know,
Speaker 1: we're having a feud, but then he thinks I can
Speaker 1: help him. And if you say something nice, you're his
Speaker 1: best friend and do you mind working with them? And
Speaker 1: that's just who he is. And look, personally, I don't
Speaker 1: have a problem with the guy now. Professionally as the president,
Speaker 1: I think he's an idiot. You know, I've never thought
Speaker 1: he was smart in talking to him, but I know
Speaker 1: a lot of smart people that I can be friends with.
Speaker 1: But just at one quick antidote, while I was in
Speaker 1: there for that meeting, and it was twenty minutes, we
Speaker 1: talked about a bunch of things, and you know how
Speaker 1: he is, he just jumps from topic to topic, you know,
Speaker 1: just randomly, and went through all that. And as I
Speaker 1: get up to leave, I was wearing one of the
Speaker 1: tom forces that I wear in Shark Tank and he
Speaker 1: goes Mark, and I turned around and I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you look good in that suit you've been working out. Thanks,
Speaker 1: that's hysterical. All of a sudden, Trump's wearing tom Ford suits.
Speaker 1: That's hysterical. What percentage do you think he's lucky? And
Speaker 1: what percentage do you think he's smart? I think it's
Speaker 1: zero percent. Well I shouldn't say zero percent smart. Um,
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's got a good skill set on
Speaker 1: picking properties. I'll give him that. You know, the Trump
Speaker 1: the bond wock Teller abuilding turning into Trump Tower, Um,
Speaker 1: the Grand Hyatt Um. Now you know most of those
Speaker 1: buildings were while his dad was still alive. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you had a chance to read the Mary
Speaker 1: Trump book. I just finished it. It's incredible. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: he doesn't even rip him, and she didn't doesn't even
Speaker 1: rip him nearly as much as you might expect. Just
Speaker 1: give some some feet, some behind side, and some some backstory.
Speaker 1: And you know, while his dad, if you look at
Speaker 1: all his biggest successes, you know, in terms of building,
Speaker 1: they were while his dad was alive, and his dad
Speaker 1: was rate at building great. And you know Donald was
Speaker 1: smart enough to use that as a resource and let
Speaker 1: his dad handle the things he didn't know. But everything
Speaker 1: since then you can't really point to a lot of
Speaker 1: successes other than maybe, you know, the post office hotel
Speaker 1: and maybe the print and maybe getting into the to
Speaker 1: the White House. I don't think he planned on that.
Speaker 1: I don't think that was one of the successes. I
Speaker 1: think that was an accident. I don't think everything that,
Speaker 1: you know, even when I talked to him, like I
Speaker 1: came out when he first started to run, I said
Speaker 1: Donald Trump was one of the best things ever to
Speaker 1: happen to politics, because he speaks his mind. He basically,
Speaker 1: I basically said, he doesn't give a funk, right, he's
Speaker 1: not a politician. And I had no inkling that he
Speaker 1: might win. And so we would talk all the time
Speaker 1: after I said that, because I was, you know, supporting him,
Speaker 1: you know, because again I didn't think he would win.
Speaker 1: And then as I started talking to him more about things,
Speaker 1: I asked some questions about real estate, and he didn't
Speaker 1: really understand the financial side of real estate, you know,
Speaker 1: talking about return on investment, internal to return, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Didn't you know, couldn't engage on that at all, you know,
Speaker 1: And it was just clear that he wasn't somebody who
Speaker 1: learned about anything. And that's where we kind of had
Speaker 1: our falling out, but you know, he said to me
Speaker 1: one time, you know, I don't know if I'm gonna win,
Speaker 1: but you you should run for presidents someday. And so
Speaker 1: he actually was the first person ever tell me to
Speaker 1: run for president. And that's fun. But he just I
Speaker 1: didn't get the sense that he thought he would win.
Speaker 1: And I've heard from other people are close to him
Speaker 1: that he didn't think he would win either, So that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna win because he was a
Speaker 1: very disruptive person running this free marketing campaign that you
Speaker 1: couldn't even put a monetary value on, where people couldn't
Speaker 1: stop a watch, and that says a lot about society
Speaker 1: now where people are into fame, and that's scary because
Speaker 1: it's becoming a marketing campaign and you know about branding
Speaker 1: better than anyone. Well, you know, it's interesting. It was
Speaker 1: interesting with Donald um. Well, let me put a different way.
Speaker 1: One of my friends in Texas explained it to me
Speaker 1: best when I said, look, I know this guy. He's
Speaker 1: not smart. You know, I don't He only cares about himself.
Speaker 1: You know, he's going to put himself ahead of the country,
Speaker 1: which effectively is what he's done. Um, I said, why
Speaker 1: are you voting for him? And he goes to me, Mark,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. This guy's mid fifties. You know,
Speaker 1: textans relatively successful. Because Mark, let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: I've been voting for politicians my entire life. And you
Speaker 1: know where they've got got me and know what they've
Speaker 1: done for me? Nothing? You know the definition of insanity.
Speaker 1: I'm not voting for a politician. And that I think
Speaker 1: is what Donald walked through and walked into. And I
Speaker 1: think I don't think he created a movement. I think
Speaker 1: he found a movement and wrote it. And I guess
Speaker 1: he deserves credit for that. But um, you know it
Speaker 1: was timing to timing and business you know better than
Speaker 1: anything in relationships. At that moment in time, it was
Speaker 1: the anything but campaign, anything but what we've been doing.
Speaker 1: Let's do something different and let's shake up the snow boat.
Speaker 1: And but I will say, it's interesting because you're in branding.
Speaker 1: I don't think any of his shark tannic ideas have
Speaker 1: actually made it. Like if he had pitched you the
Speaker 1: suits of I don't know that's what that was. Desperation.
Speaker 1: You don't put your name on all that garbage and
Speaker 1: knowing you have no control over it unless you're desperate.
Speaker 1: Look at Trump University, look at Trump Soho, look at
Speaker 1: Trump Panama. These are all things that ended up ripping
Speaker 1: people off Trump Foundation. When you're desperate and you have
Speaker 1: you know, you're just trying to find anything. You see
Speaker 1: what happens to celebrities as they start to decline, right,
Speaker 1: and they stopped making money. You know, anybody who offers
Speaker 1: any amount of money to put their name on something,
Speaker 1: they say yes. And that's what we're Donald Trump exactly.
Speaker 1: That's a great point because I know how you are
Speaker 1: with your businesses and you're literally gone on the phone
Speaker 1: eating Alyssa's cookies, which is a shark tank business. But
Speaker 1: I have to be integral, integraly from my core involved.
Speaker 1: And by the way, Donald Trump, his his way is
Speaker 1: a lot like some of the housewives, and that you
Speaker 1: could tell him to go fund himself and then he
Speaker 1: forgets about it the next day. That's an interesting quality
Speaker 1: that some of the I'm not like that, you tell
Speaker 1: me to go funk myself, We're done forever, so forever.
Speaker 1: I'm Sicilian in that way, I will be or like
Speaker 1: you know, religious to you that will rip their vests
Speaker 1: and like we're done. But one of the housewive said
Speaker 1: to me, I'm researching white white space. I don't even
Speaker 1: know what it's like, where Like people will say I've
Speaker 1: heard people at HSN say to me, there's white space,
Speaker 1: meaning like it's there's a void there. We're not doing
Speaker 1: anything in that category. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But it's so
Speaker 1: people you don't go hunt for that. You have something
Speaker 1: inside of you that drives you to do something good
Speaker 1: as something you can't just pick a space and say, oh, look,
Speaker 1: there's nothing there, I'll go fill it. Right, It's got
Speaker 1: to be something that is part of you that you
Speaker 1: love and that you know you know and you make
Speaker 1: it work. You've got to know your ship, right because
Speaker 1: just it's not like there's no competitors that can't just
Speaker 1: go into that space as well. Well, that's why Shark
Speaker 1: Tank is amazing because it shows people how hard it
Speaker 1: really is. I Mean, the truth of the matter is
Speaker 1: it's about the execution of an idea. So that's that's
Speaker 1: the thing that people don't think I have this great idea.
Speaker 1: I'm like, who cares, what are you doing about it?
Speaker 1: And what do you have to back it up. So
Speaker 1: I think that's one thing that you and Shark Tank
Speaker 1: really are relentless about and people need to know. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you hear it all the time. I have this idea,
Speaker 1: like you just said, and when I just hear that,
Speaker 1: I just immediately turn off right. Or if I get
Speaker 1: an email to starts, I have this idea, I just
Speaker 1: hit the lead because ideas are easy. Everybody has got
Speaker 1: business ideas. Everybody. There's no human in this country that
Speaker 1: hasn't had a business idea that they've gotten excited about.
Speaker 1: But ninety nine of those humans didn't do shit about it.
Speaker 1: And that's the difference. You know, it's get off your
Speaker 1: ass and what's your driving plan to get to the
Speaker 1: finish line? And you may get derailed, but you need
Speaker 1: to have a good plan because the second someone else
Speaker 1: smells your idea, they're coming in with it. And everybody's
Speaker 1: had the same idea whatever. I always say those Winklevoss
Speaker 1: twins that whether they created Facebook or not, it was
Speaker 1: a copy. Mark Zuckerberg executed them. These guys like let's star.
Speaker 1: You can't whine about what doesn't happen. Everybody copies everything
Speaker 1: you do, and everybody copies everything I do, So don't whine.
Speaker 1: Keep going, Steve Jobs, Steve Jobs that everything is a remix. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: as I say in my cocktail segments, yes plane. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I could talk to you for five hours, but
Speaker 1: I need to let you live your life without me.
Speaker 1: And um, I do want to tell everybody that you
Speaker 1: and I did do a rendition of m Paradise, Paradise
Speaker 1: by the Dash for Light. We did do that with
Speaker 1: karaoke and it's probably like an eleven minute song cotton
Speaker 1: Mouth like dying when you get We committed to that,
Speaker 1: but we committed. And I like being a duet with you,
Speaker 1: So maybe we'll be a duet on something in this
Speaker 1: my time. Okay, So the last thing I'd like to
Speaker 1: ask you about is whether you have any mottos, something
Speaker 1: that you live by. I have a few that I
Speaker 1: try to remind myself of, and I'm just asking all
Speaker 1: my guests if they have a motto that might be
Speaker 1: helpful to the listeners. How you do anything is how
Speaker 1: you do everything. Sales cures at all, and the one
Speaker 1: thing in life that you can control is effort. Those
Speaker 1: are my three little models that I always try to
Speaker 1: remind myself. Wait, what is sales cures everything any business.
Speaker 1: There's no business that has ever existed about sales un
Speaker 1: let's you know. And if you can get out there
Speaker 1: and close and make customers happy and generate revenue, you're
Speaker 1: going to succeed. If you don't have sales, you're not
Speaker 1: going to succeed. Fabulous. So I love you. You are amazing.
Speaker 1: You are funny, you're charming, you're smart, you're humble, You're
Speaker 1: you can be a dick, which I like to You're
Speaker 1: impossible but yet totally possible. I love being on Shark
Speaker 1: Tank with you. I love that I miss you on there.
Speaker 1: I'm missing you know. It's a good sparring, it's a
Speaker 1: good stack down. And I love people who don't back down,
Speaker 1: but not just not back down, but can back up
Speaker 1: what they're trying to accomplish. So good. So I cannot
Speaker 1: thank you enough. I I really I just value you
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you, and You're going to be part
Speaker 1: of making it successful for me. So I'm very grateful.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much much pleasure. Thanks for having
Speaker 1: me on, Bethany, and I hope you get to hang
Speaker 1: out soon me too. Big kiss to you and your family.
Speaker 1: Take care, So that was interesting. I'm really enjoying this
Speaker 1: so much because I know Mark Cuban. We've spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time together, but I don't know a lot
Speaker 1: of that about him. So I'm exploring with you, we're
Speaker 1: doing this together because you know, you talk to people,
Speaker 1: You talk about bullshit, the weather, the pandemic, a restaurant,
Speaker 1: you have a drink, you laugh like, you don't really
Speaker 1: get that deeply into it because sometimes it's tiring, and
Speaker 1: when you're social, you're not really kind of getting into
Speaker 1: how it all works and how someone's mind works. And
Speaker 1: so I'm loving that I know a lot of these
Speaker 1: people personally, which is why the show is very personal
Speaker 1: to me and really important to me, but that we're
Speaker 1: just getting such a unique perspective of from people, and
Speaker 1: that you know, Mark Cuban is such a visionary and
Speaker 1: such an interesting person, and we just got him so
Speaker 1: open and honest and just free. So I love that
Speaker 1: this is fun and interesting, but hopefully it's educational and
Speaker 1: takeaway that is really you can really apply these things
Speaker 1: to your daily life and thoughts and the way that
Speaker 1: you navigate yourself in life and in business. So thank
Speaker 1: you all for being here. And for listening. I love
Speaker 1: it so deeply and continue to listen and subscribe and
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