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Speaker 1: Are we cheersing? Is that what it is? Cheersing the
Speaker 1: microphoneb I mean once we get back home.
Speaker 6: We did do it the first time across MIC's.
Speaker 1: And yet it is because what what do you what?
Speaker 1: This guy listen, this guy's up always. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to attack the twenty twenty five season with you guys.
Speaker 1: This is a great way to start it.
Speaker 4: We've got training camp practice today. The pads are coming
Speaker 4: back on after the day of shells yesterday. Here's the thing, though,
Speaker 4: what's the thing Cowboys jacket? Cowboys shirt?
Speaker 1: Cowboys? What is Isaiah wearing there? What does that say?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: You got the shorts on? Did you just flash our views?
Speaker 1: I didn't know what this was going, but I'm glad,
Speaker 1: glad where it ended.
Speaker 4: He's got an NFL Network quarter zip on. That's partially
Speaker 4: why he hasn't been here up until.
Speaker 7: Why aren't you wearing the pants sorry, the short pants
Speaker 7: suit that you were wearing yesterday.
Speaker 1: Because I ready wore it. Once you wear you can't
Speaker 1: wear it again. Absolutely, that money, you can't have money.
Speaker 4: He gave it the Beamer Beamers wearing it tomorrow, Beamers
Speaker 4: rocking shorts today.
Speaker 1: If only you guys could see Beamers strut right now.
Speaker 1: So I have on quads out as what these guys
Speaker 1: are referring to. You know, it's.
Speaker 8: It's it's the season for quads out. You understanding what
Speaker 8: I'm saying. I can't really say. I really want to
Speaker 8: say that.
Speaker 1: I was like, he's going there.
Speaker 8: And today was international No Johnny Brovo day, No Johnny,
Speaker 8: No Johnny Brable, you remember you know who know Johnny?
Speaker 1: Why would it be Johnny Brobo day? That means it's
Speaker 1: leg day. That means it's leg day. Okay, Johnny Bravo
Speaker 1: was top heavy. He looks like a water burger. Cup
Speaker 1: can relate. Yes, yeah, got that water Burger Cup build
Speaker 1: people like, say, five hundred yards of lunches today for
Speaker 1: those that want to.
Speaker 4: Five hundred, five hundred dardsnod respect, I refuse when I
Speaker 4: friends the cowboysfully the clin all right, the cowboys.
Speaker 1: The cowboys are indeed working today.
Speaker 4: And I want to start by one some news and
Speaker 4: notes from Patrick Doncy Walk because this injury list is
Speaker 4: starting to grow.
Speaker 1: I don't like not just grow, but grow concerning times.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Patrick, what if we just ignored it?
Speaker 1: It doesn't make it go away.
Speaker 5: It's it's not an out of sight, out of my
Speaker 5: type deal prow.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I still gotta gotta get back to the field, Okay,
Speaker 5: and so it goes. It's not entirely bad, not great though.
Speaker 5: Let's start with the offensive line. Obviously, the worst of
Speaker 5: them is Rob Jones. Offensive lineman Rob Jones suffered a
Speaker 5: fracture in his neck. He will be out for two
Speaker 5: to three months. Expectation is mid season. Barneyy setbacks. Also
Speaker 5: on the offensive line, Tyler Geiton, as we all know,
Speaker 5: had the scare with the A C. L. It is
Speaker 5: in fact intact four to six weeks is the prognosis, however,
Speaker 5: shot he got to the podium yesterday and said something
Speaker 5: very interesting, said that it could quote unquote be a
Speaker 5: couple of weeks. It just depends on how the knee
Speaker 5: reacts to the rehab and how aggressively without forcing a setback,
Speaker 5: Tyler got attacks his rehab. So as it stands, there's
Speaker 5: still a very good chance that Tyler got In will
Speaker 5: be on the field against the Philadelphia Eagles. Terrence Steele
Speaker 5: battled an ankle sprain henkle sprain earlier practice, but he
Speaker 5: has returned a few days ago as a matter of fact,
Speaker 5: so again it's not all bad news.
Speaker 1: There's some good news. He returned, Yeah, he did.
Speaker 5: Running backs room. Only one injury to report, which is
Speaker 5: Deuce Vaughan. He is battling the hamstring injury. Obviously, that
Speaker 5: is very key. Forduced. This is another training camp in
Speaker 5: which he's given an opportunity to prove himself on the field,
Speaker 5: but unfortunately, another training camp in which he is battling
Speaker 5: injury that is deleting much needed reps for the young
Speaker 5: running back in a room that you know, let's be honest,
Speaker 5: they're trying to figure out who's going to take the
Speaker 5: lead and that could be plural.
Speaker 1: Okay in the room. Brevin span Ford undisclosed leg injury.
Speaker 5: He's out for two to three weeks, so he'll likely
Speaker 5: miss the entirety of the preseason, but the great shot
Speaker 5: of being back in time to be TE three and
Speaker 5: challenge Luke school Maker, who looks great by the way
Speaker 5: for some TE two snaps. Wide receiver Paris Campbell undisclosed
Speaker 5: knee injury to be determined on him. We haven't gotten
Speaker 5: a proagnosis on Paris Campbell, but I will say it
Speaker 5: didn't look promising. I'm not going to say it's worst case.
Speaker 1: A m C IF.
Speaker 4: If that's what you heard, I think it may have
Speaker 4: been unreported, but I think MZL was the rumor.
Speaker 1: At least it may have been reported.
Speaker 5: Listen, Kyler is a credible source. Let's go with an
Speaker 5: Claris Campbell.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to report anything.
Speaker 5: I'll confirm it. I'll confirm it as it stands. It
Speaker 5: is a knee injury. Nonetheless, however you slice it. Timeline
Speaker 5: for return is TBD. Cornerback's Room, KAILN. Carson No, stop it, yeah, can't,
Speaker 5: can't stop it. Cornerbacks Room in dire straits getting more
Speaker 5: so Kayln Carson stuff for the hyper extended knee. He
Speaker 5: will miss four to six weeks. There's a chance he
Speaker 5: is back for the opener, maybe Week two home opener
Speaker 5: against the Giants. But a room that's poor in determined
Speaker 5: depth gets a bit poor. Shouts out to kyer Elim.
Speaker 5: He's taken some strides. Andrew Booth had the best practice
Speaker 5: of his camping. In the next practice he left with injury. However,
Speaker 5: Andrew Booth was back on the field yesterday in Shells.
Speaker 1: I talked to.
Speaker 5: Andrew Booth yesterday kind of off the record. I asked
Speaker 5: him how he's feeling. He said he feels great. It
Speaker 5: was just something that nagged him a little bit. He
Speaker 5: got it worked out. He said, he's a full goal.
Speaker 5: We'll see if that's the case when the pads come
Speaker 5: back on today. Safety one yea Thomas leg injury, no brace,
Speaker 5: no device, But he's not returned to practice yet, so
Speaker 5: I'm not sure if.
Speaker 1: That's a soft tissue injury or whatnot.
Speaker 5: But would love to see one year back out there
Speaker 5: sooner than later, considering his versatility is on full display
Speaker 5: and they're gonna need him both as a safety safety
Speaker 5: depth piece, but also you see.
Speaker 1: Him taking some snaps at Nickel corner as well. So
Speaker 1: let me just put this this way, leading into my next.
Speaker 5: Yes, really quickly, they did sign. They did sign Christian Matthew.
Speaker 5: He's reuniting with Matty Eberfluss. They spent a short time
Speaker 5: together in Chicago at cornerbacks. So there's another body coming in.
Speaker 5: What does that mean as far as what Matthew can do?
Speaker 1: We'll see you want for like those eleven or twelve injuries, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 4: But here's the thing that leads into my next question
Speaker 4: is we've been through seven practices, seven practices, and yet
Speaker 4: there's a list of ten to eleven twelve players with injuries,
Speaker 4: an active injury list where guys are not in practice,
Speaker 4: off guys.
Speaker 1: About eight or nine guys long.
Speaker 4: The physicality that Brian Schotenheimer wanted to establish, the physicality
Speaker 4: that he said this camp was going to be known for,
Speaker 4: we've seen it. We've seen it with the scuffles, We've
Speaker 4: seen it with the padded practices, we've seen it with
Speaker 4: the different drills along the way.
Speaker 1: Josh, is this still a good thing because of the
Speaker 1: injuries that are starting to ramp up.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know you want to be physical, you
Speaker 4: want it to be a tough training camp to get
Speaker 4: you ready for the season. But right now, with this
Speaker 4: injury list growing, is the physicality taking a toll.
Speaker 6: I think a lot of the rust is falling off.
Speaker 7: Obviously, whenever you're thudding up, when you're patted up, you're
Speaker 7: giving yourself an idea of what it's going to be
Speaker 7: like on the field. Not that these players need a
Speaker 7: reminder of that, but you need that physicality. You need
Speaker 7: that mixed with the discipline that coach Schottenheimer's trying to instill.
Speaker 7: The more you're able to do that, the hardened you're
Speaker 7: going to get on the field. I don't know this
Speaker 7: from experience. I know Isaiah will have much more insight
Speaker 7: into this, but when we talked about it, it's like
Speaker 7: it's such a far cry from what practices used to
Speaker 7: be when you used to be in pads twice a day.
Speaker 7: The more you're doing this, the more often you're thudding up.
Speaker 7: Any closer you get to the simulation of an actual game,
Speaker 7: the better these things are going to happen. Regardless if
Speaker 7: it's here or during a game, people are going to
Speaker 7: get hurt.
Speaker 6: That's the fact of the matter. That's why you have
Speaker 6: a full roster, that's why you have depth. Honestly, more
Speaker 6: of it.
Speaker 7: I don't want injuries, obviously nobody does, but we need
Speaker 7: more of this physicality.
Speaker 4: Why do you feel like it's more of a talking
Speaker 4: point Isaiah now than it was maybe back when you
Speaker 4: were playing in the league.
Speaker 8: The rules have changed, you know, the parameters in which
Speaker 8: guys are allowed to practice the team, the team activities
Speaker 8: have been restricted in terms of the physicality. We used
Speaker 8: to get physical a lot earlier than what these guys
Speaker 8: are OTAs is pretty much, uh, you know, don't touch
Speaker 8: me type of situation now. So when you start talking
Speaker 8: about guys getting calibrated to get ready to play physically
Speaker 8: one of the most physical, physically demanding sports in the
Speaker 8: in the world, you're asking these guys to do it
Speaker 8: really had a drop of a hat. They go from
Speaker 8: playing in shorts and T shirts. All of a sudden,
Speaker 8: you show up the camp for a couple of days,
Speaker 8: you know, doing the same thing, shorts and T shirts,
Speaker 8: and then it's like.
Speaker 4: All right, let's hit well, have a certain amount of
Speaker 4: practices you have to get in.
Speaker 8: Yeah, for sure, exactly, and they're doing the best they
Speaker 8: can with the rules and parameters that they have set forth,
Speaker 8: but it's not the best per se for the players,
Speaker 8: even though the rules and parameters that are set forth
Speaker 8: are for the players.
Speaker 1: We're starting to see that injuries are peering.
Speaker 8: Across the board. This isn't just a Dallas Cowboys state.
Speaker 8: There's a lot of injuries around the league right now,
Speaker 8: acls galore. I mean, there's always an injury of the year.
Speaker 8: But the reality is, when you start hitting guys, you
Speaker 8: have to your body. Not only the body parts that
Speaker 8: you're hitting have to get adapted to it, but your
Speaker 8: footwork has to get adapted right, your leverage, your eyes,
Speaker 8: everything has to get back calibrated again. And in that
Speaker 8: calibration process you have to go through some bumps, and
Speaker 8: unfortunately the Dallas Cowboys have sustained their number of bumps
Speaker 8: early on in this process. You're just hopeful, and you
Speaker 8: understand this as a coach, you understand this as an organization.
Speaker 1: Injuries are going to happen.
Speaker 8: It's just a known thing now, which is why you
Speaker 8: come and the scouting department has as many guys as
Speaker 8: they can ready in the chamber because they know somebody's
Speaker 8: going down.
Speaker 1: It's just a part of the process.
Speaker 5: It's like what Shoddy said, and that what you're saying
Speaker 5: right now, Isaiah. It's about building up calluses right now
Speaker 5: and in that calibrations, like Stanbeck said, you're going to
Speaker 5: have some bumps and bruises. But when you look at
Speaker 5: some of these injuries, obviously Rob Jones, you know, the
Speaker 5: fracture bone in his neck, you could attribute that to
Speaker 5: some physicality, which football is going to football, right Tyler Guidon,
Speaker 5: you know the reason he's out because his knee got
Speaker 5: rolled up on, right, So that's not that's footwork, that's
Speaker 5: that's a football injury. But that's not necessarily a tribute
Speaker 5: to the physicality. A guy got pushed down and rolled
Speaker 5: into his knee. Things like that duce Von soft tissue injury,
Speaker 5: hamstring he's dealing with that one year, Thomas, likely a
Speaker 5: soft tissue injury.
Speaker 1: Those things just happen when you're playing football.
Speaker 5: When it comes to potentially turning down the physicality, I
Speaker 5: like that the Cowboys are maxing out the physicality within
Speaker 5: the parameters of the collective bargain agreement they're doing. They're
Speaker 5: pushing exactly where they need to push right up against
Speaker 5: the wall versus what we've seen in the past, which
Speaker 5: is a team and we've seen this as recently as
Speaker 5: last season, so many extra rest days.
Speaker 1: But then did that translate into wins?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Also, did it translate into durability? Hell no.
Speaker 5: The Cowboys were easily arguably the worst or the most
Speaker 5: injured team, especially at key positions with impact players, of
Speaker 5: any of the thirty two teams in the league. So
Speaker 5: where did that extra rest translate on the field for
Speaker 5: the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: That didn't.
Speaker 5: They put a lot of guys on injured reserve arguably.
Speaker 5: So I like where the Cowboys are. I like what
Speaker 5: they're doing. And like Isaiah said, this is not exclusive
Speaker 5: to the Cowboys. Go and look at the injury reports.
Speaker 5: For not injury reports, but go follow the reports coming
Speaker 5: out of other training camps.
Speaker 1: They're guys going down left and right at key ziars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for the year, Cowboys have dodged some very real bullets
Speaker 1: thus far.
Speaker 5: Because this time, yeah, this time last year, we were
Speaker 5: talking about a guy who toys ACL doing a non
Speaker 5: contact individual drill around a path. Right, So Cowboys, I
Speaker 5: think they're doing just fine. And yeah, they've been bitting
Speaker 5: a little bit, but keep going.
Speaker 4: I like the way you mentioned it as building callouses.
Speaker 4: I like that metaphor, and I'm going to take it
Speaker 4: a step for further because I think right now you're
Speaker 4: still doing that and you're able to do that. But
Speaker 4: when you're building calluses, sometimes if you attack whatever you
Speaker 4: are doing super quickly and you get into it too quickly,
Speaker 4: sometimes it turns into a blister.
Speaker 1: That blister pops, it feels bad for a little bit,
Speaker 1: and then it callous is over.
Speaker 4: I think we're in that stage, yes, I think we're
Speaker 4: in that stage of training camp where we look up
Speaker 4: and we're seeing these injuries and it's every day. It's
Speaker 4: one or two guys and it's happening, and it may
Speaker 4: be a minor thing. It may be a longer thing
Speaker 4: like a guid in situation where it's four to six weeks. Again,
Speaker 4: knock on wood hasn't been the severe side of it yet.
Speaker 4: That would be the blister.
Speaker 1: Popping for me is if there's a severe injury.
Speaker 4: Right now, you've got a blister there, it's there, it's
Speaker 4: gonna be there for a little bit, and it's gonna
Speaker 4: hurt for a little bit because you're missing time in practice.
Speaker 1: But as long as you keep it from.
Speaker 4: Popping, and it's fine there for a little bit, it's
Speaker 4: gonna sting, but then it'll callous over and you're gonna
Speaker 4: be fine from that point forward, and hopefully that'll.
Speaker 1: Help you when you get to the season. You've been
Speaker 1: in training camps.
Speaker 4: With guys that mentored Brian Schottenheimer. Pete Carroll specifically is
Speaker 4: one that comes to mind, and he's talked a lot
Speaker 4: about his influence from Pete Carroll in the way that
Speaker 4: he's kind of been around it.
Speaker 1: How much have you seen from training camp so far
Speaker 1: in the weeks that.
Speaker 4: You've been out here that has relayed to what Pete
Speaker 4: Carroll once did during his time with the Seahawks.
Speaker 8: Yeah's really from what I can understand, it's a copy
Speaker 8: and paste and that's not something bad. That means that
Speaker 8: to coach Carroll. You know, Coach Carroll has had a
Speaker 8: lot of success in his career both about the collegiate
Speaker 8: and professional ranks. Obviously he's back in it now with
Speaker 8: RYTHM Raiders, so I would imagine that they're doing very
Speaker 8: similar things. Yeah, But I mean it's about energy, it's
Speaker 8: about competition, real competition. When I say, real competition, let's
Speaker 8: keep it one hundred and in this, in this professional setting,
Speaker 8: a lot of times you can do really good things
Speaker 8: if you're a number two or number three guy, but
Speaker 8: it doesn't really matter because you're never going to get
Speaker 8: that number one spot and you never even though you
Speaker 8: might have the best week, they're not going to patch
Speaker 8: you on your back and say get in there, go
Speaker 8: get some reps with the ones because you're not a one.
Speaker 1: That is changing here with Shaddy.
Speaker 8: If you have a good week and you're competing and
Speaker 8: doing your job better than somebody else that's that's ahead
Speaker 8: of you on the depth chart, that person's coming out,
Speaker 8: you're going in. So you get paid for doing well,
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, Like, you get the gratification of, hey,
Speaker 8: my hard work is paying off, and that is very
Speaker 8: important for athletes to know that your work is not
Speaker 8: going without being noticed. So that's changed around here at
Speaker 8: the energy level, coaches are jumping around. So yeah, sometimes
Speaker 8: you gotta fake it so you make it. But if
Speaker 8: you create the culture, you create the environment of positivity,
Speaker 8: you create the environment of you're blessed to do this,
Speaker 8: You create the environment that you want to be here
Speaker 8: and I want to do this. Yeah my body hurts. Yeah,
Speaker 8: you're tired. So the heck what, Let's have fun. We're
Speaker 8: playing a kids game against the best in the world.
Speaker 8: Let's make the best of this environment.
Speaker 7: And to your point, I don't think you were necessarily
Speaker 7: seeing that over the last two seasons. You were seeing
Speaker 7: guys that were working hard and like showing it on
Speaker 7: the field that weren't necessarily rewarded the very next week
Speaker 7: after an impressive performance.
Speaker 6: There were these arbitrary rules set in.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, well, this.
Speaker 7: Guy carried the rock for this amount of time, but like,
Speaker 7: and you don't have him replicate that success the next week.
Speaker 7: I don't think that's the case for this team right now.
Speaker 7: I don't think that's the case for Shotennheimer's staff.
Speaker 8: And that really helps your depth chart because I guess
Speaker 8: I'm alluding to a lot right now. Tyler Booker right
Speaker 8: comes in here, obviously first round, pick all those things,
Speaker 8: he gets, thrust it in with the ones. Tyler Booker
Speaker 8: had some rough days early on in camp.
Speaker 1: So what do they do?
Speaker 8: Tyler Boker, you're out. You're going to the twoes player.
Speaker 8: You gotta work your way back into it. You don't
Speaker 8: just get you'll just receive. You gotta have to earn
Speaker 8: your spot. So, hey, who do I don't remember who
Speaker 8: took his stop?
Speaker 1: Jones? Yeah, Rob Jones.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right, Rob Jones took a spot. Unfortunately he's
Speaker 8: out right now. But Rob Jones came in and was
Speaker 8: applying pressure. But what did you see after practice, Rob
Speaker 8: Jones working with Tyler Booker? Is this breeze competition? Everybody
Speaker 8: gets better when it's true competition. One of the reasons
Speaker 8: why I stepped away from the league is because it
Speaker 8: started be coming about about guys being slotted. They started
Speaker 8: be coming about relationships with coaches and if I have,
Speaker 8: if I'm performing better than you, I.
Speaker 1: Should get rewarded for that, right, And that wasn't the case,
Speaker 1: and I was tired of it.
Speaker 8: I got to the point I was like, you know what,
Speaker 8: it doesn't matter what I do anymore because I'm never
Speaker 8: gonna get that spot, right.
Speaker 1: I don't have that paycheck, I'm not getting that spot.
Speaker 1: What's the point of doing it? Right? So, like, what's
Speaker 1: the point?
Speaker 8: That's not the case here, And that trickles all the
Speaker 8: way down to the lowest man on the totem pole
Speaker 8: and that creates this culture of everybody can get it,
Speaker 8: everybody can contribute. If you're doing something positive, we will
Speaker 8: see you and we will put you in a position
Speaker 8: to help this team be successful.
Speaker 5: And to that point, it is in fact permeating throughout
Speaker 5: the locker room already when you hear guys like Donovan Ezraku,
Speaker 5: a rookie who has no knowledge of the league until
Speaker 5: this training camp, comes in and starts talking about how
Speaker 5: he's going toe to toe verbally and on the field
Speaker 5: with Dante Fowler the defensive ends room. They've established the
Speaker 5: point system, and he and Dante on a couple of plays,
Speaker 5: they're challenging each other who's going to get to the
Speaker 5: quarterback first. And Ezraeku got to the quarterback first to
Speaker 5: one particular plane a two minute drill, looked at Dante
Speaker 5: and said, where are you at?
Speaker 1: I asked Dante about it yesterday.
Speaker 5: He smiled and said, young guys got some young guys
Speaker 5: got some gas behind him, but guess what I'm coming
Speaker 5: as well. And then they both are. After that they
Speaker 5: said the same thing, which is this defensive endroom can
Speaker 5: be special. Why because every single guy they believe, every
Speaker 5: single guy can get After the opposing quarterback.
Speaker 1: So not only do you have that heightened level of.
Speaker 5: Competition that this coaching staff and this culture has started
Speaker 5: to establish, but you also have the camaraderie between guys.
Speaker 5: You talk about Rob, right, we talk about Rob Jones
Speaker 5: in the moment getting first team reps over the rookie
Speaker 5: first round pick. But then guess what, like Isaiah said,
Speaker 5: after practice, what's Rob Jones doing. He's tutoring Tyler Booker,
Speaker 5: the person he's competing, right, So that's what you're seeing.
Speaker 1: So it does trickle down.
Speaker 5: It's starting at the top with Schottenheimer, going throughout his
Speaker 5: assistant coaching staff and his coordinators, and it's being felt
Speaker 5: in the locker room.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 4: There's a couple of things that we have to hit
Speaker 4: when we get into the position battles and the way
Speaker 4: that it works. That's one thing that has stuck out
Speaker 4: to me in this camp is that you haven't seen
Speaker 4: in the past. You've seen guys work with guys, but
Speaker 4: the fact that they're directly competing for the same job
Speaker 4: and they're still and they're still working with I know
Speaker 4: we've engineered a couple of times, and it's important that
Speaker 4: is a huge thing that that's the culture that Brian
Speaker 4: Shott and he's talking about. That is the example of
Speaker 4: what that means to be a true teammate and be
Speaker 4: in that situation.
Speaker 6: That's camaraderie building, absolutely.
Speaker 1: And that's the type of stuff.
Speaker 4: It's not just the energy and the fun that they
Speaker 4: have in the pads and the props and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: That is the culture, is what he's doing there. And
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate.
Speaker 8: I know, we gotta get a break, but but real quick,
Speaker 8: where that shows up is I now can cheer for
Speaker 8: no see if I'm gas in the game right and
Speaker 8: I'm and I'm Dante Fowler Jewelry Junior, and there's a
Speaker 8: heck and there's there's a big third down that's coming up,
Speaker 8: and I'm absolutely can get it, and I'm like, you
Speaker 8: know what, I can stay in here, right because I
Speaker 8: really don't have faith in a guy that's kind of
Speaker 8: come in and do it, you know, to come in
Speaker 8: behind me to make the play. So I'm gonna stay
Speaker 8: in here and I'm gonna give it my best, but
Speaker 8: I know my best isn't gonna do it. Guess what,
Speaker 8: I'm now more opt and willing to tap myself out
Speaker 8: the game to let my guy Donovan get in the
Speaker 8: game and go make give them a high five on
Speaker 8: the way by, and hey, go get it. Yeah, you
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, Like, that's what we're talking about
Speaker 8: instead of guys then being selfish and just trying to
Speaker 8: stay in in there because guess what, Yeah, those other
Speaker 8: guys never really got the reps right, I don't believe
Speaker 8: in those guys.
Speaker 1: Now I'm willing to step out right unless somebody else can.
Speaker 4: I need a new contract, Like Dante, he's on a
Speaker 4: one year deal about all about winning, and hey, that
Speaker 4: might be the situation and the running back room as well.
Speaker 4: And when we come back offensive line affecting the running
Speaker 4: back room with all these injuries, and is anybody sticking
Speaker 4: out out of that group by committee?
Speaker 1: That running back room by committee? More talking cowboys.
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Speaker 4: D Isaiah Stanba Patrick Noci watched John Rodriguez with Chris
Speaker 4: Beam running the whole show in the front. I'm Kyle
Speaker 4: yeomans Uh running backs. This running back Battle has been
Speaker 4: definitely to watch.
Speaker 1: Is it heating up?
Speaker 10: It is?
Speaker 1: I want to I want to get to that in
Speaker 1: a second.
Speaker 4: Is the offensive line and the rotation that we've seen
Speaker 4: in the injuries that have started to stack up Josh
Speaker 4: on this offensive line. Is that something that's affecting just
Speaker 4: how much that running back competition can heat up at
Speaker 4: training camp?
Speaker 1: Of course it is.
Speaker 7: I mean you have to take into account the chemistry
Speaker 7: of the offensive line feeding into the success of the
Speaker 7: running backs.
Speaker 6: But something that I.
Speaker 7: Really really enjoyed on Girls Talk, Boys Talk this morning
Speaker 7: when they were talking about the running back by committee
Speaker 7: approach is that it doesn't necessarily feel like a committee.
Speaker 7: It feels more like a collective and when the running
Speaker 7: backs are able to sort of spell in for each other,
Speaker 7: they all have juice in one form or another. Like
Speaker 7: at this point in time, it could it could change
Speaker 7: from today till the start of preseason to the start
Speaker 7: of the regular season. But right now, from what I'm seeing,
Speaker 7: every single guy is contributing in a big way. It
Speaker 7: sucks to see duce Vaughan right now dealing with that
Speaker 7: hamstring injury. He's not been able to be in on it.
Speaker 7: But when he is out there on that field. You're
Speaker 7: getting juice from Ducevaughn. You're getting juice from every single
Speaker 7: one of these guys. If you had to ask me
Speaker 7: right now, who's starting, I think it's Javonte Williams.
Speaker 6: And I genuinely think that, oh.
Speaker 1: See, that's interesting. That's gonna be a fun thing.
Speaker 4: But hear me out, because I bet you are like
Speaker 4: as a group of four, I bet you all are
Speaker 4: answers are different.
Speaker 6: Well here's my full answer.
Speaker 1: Or maybe maybe not all of them, but they're going
Speaker 1: to be different.
Speaker 7: My full answer is that it's Davante Williams. He has
Speaker 7: the most juice right now currently, Like I said, that
Speaker 7: can change. And then Jayden Blue is your receiving sort
Speaker 7: of third down threat my opinion. And then if you're
Speaker 7: thinking in terms of like how the Lions were treating
Speaker 7: David Montgomery, like I think Miles Sanders is your kind
Speaker 7: of like second half bell cow, you know, he's that
Speaker 7: kind of those fresh legs to come in and get
Speaker 7: you some crucial first downs. I think if you're playing,
Speaker 7: that's just a scenario that I've kind of cooked up
Speaker 7: just from watching these guys there year. And I don't
Speaker 7: think that Miles Sanders, like doesn't have jews. It's just
Speaker 7: a matter of the fact of seeing him with fresh legs,
Speaker 7: you know, in the second half of a game. I
Speaker 7: think that's kind of where you want to see him.
Speaker 7: But it could change who would.
Speaker 5: Be your starter right now, you know, coming into camp,
Speaker 5: I am on the record of saying that Javonte Williams
Speaker 5: likely had a slight and I do meanin we all
Speaker 5: were likely. But now as we go into this next
Speaker 5: padded practice, I think Miles Sanders, So I think it's
Speaker 5: Miles Sanders. So for me right now, it's Mouths Sanders
Speaker 5: because what I've seen from Miles Sanders also that's impressed
Speaker 5: me is obviously we've watched him in his time with.
Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 5: I don't know that he's ever been or that I've
Speaker 5: ever noticed as much as I'm noticing now he's more
Speaker 5: physical than people give him credit for. Yeah, he definitely
Speaker 5: has the ability to do the dirty work and the
Speaker 5: heavy lifting in those in those dirty gaps.
Speaker 7: Point though he's a vet at this point, I think
Speaker 7: he has to be a little more physical than we've
Speaker 7: seen him in the past. I think that's why you're
Speaker 7: seeing that now hence the second half sort of votes.
Speaker 5: So to that point, take Week one, for example, against
Speaker 5: the Philadelphia Eagles, I specifically as shoddy with you having
Speaker 5: questions that left tackle do you how do you balance
Speaker 5: giving trust to your left tackle against that defensive front
Speaker 5: in Philadelphia versus scheming for it? And one of the
Speaker 5: answers he said was against an elite defensive front and
Speaker 5: defensive tackles, what do you do?
Speaker 1: You pound the dawn ball and you showed up there
Speaker 1: blank right.
Speaker 5: I think Miles Sanders would give you a little bit
Speaker 5: more edge in doing that than Javonte Williams, who are
Speaker 5: not to say that Javonte can't, but again, it just
Speaker 5: feels like Miles is more prepared to take that load,
Speaker 5: take on that load up front. So for me, it
Speaker 5: would be Miles Sanders, Davonte Williams, and then Jayden Blue.
Speaker 5: I do agree with you there, Jay and Blue is
Speaker 5: really taking advantage of those added reps that would be
Speaker 5: split between he and duce Vaughan, which is why it's
Speaker 5: critical that ducevont get back to the field sooner than later.
Speaker 8: Oh guys, come on, First of all, let me be
Speaker 8: on record stating that there's not a drastic difference between
Speaker 8: these guys.
Speaker 1: Know, That's why we keep saying the slight, slight, slight
Speaker 1: start by that.
Speaker 8: Also, let me start by stating running back by committee
Speaker 8: is not a bad thing.
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, I don't see it though. Last year
Speaker 1: I don't like. I don't see it that way.
Speaker 6: Last year was a bad thing.
Speaker 8: I'm on record, I'm on record for a very long
Speaker 8: time stating that if the offensive line take care of
Speaker 8: the business, it doesn't really matter who's towing the rock
Speaker 8: in the NFL, because they are all capable of producing. Right,
Speaker 8: what is the difference maker? Okay, let's get into that.
Speaker 8: The difference usually comes into are you protecting the ball
Speaker 8: number one?
Speaker 1: Number one?
Speaker 8: Okay, protect the ball number two? Are you able to
Speaker 8: generate splash plays?
Speaker 1: Number three? Can you pass block? Those are the three
Speaker 1: things that really differentiae player from the next.
Speaker 8: Okay, So now let's go to the guys that we're
Speaker 8: talking about, Miles Sanders Andvonte Williams.
Speaker 1: They're very similar to me, to me in terms of
Speaker 1: who has more juice.
Speaker 8: From what I've seen at camp, I think Williams is
Speaker 8: is more is significantly quicker than I gave him credit
Speaker 8: for prior to come into camp. He has more bursts
Speaker 8: and more explosiveness than I assumed that he had, so
Speaker 8: for me, I put.
Speaker 1: Him ahead of Sanders from that.
Speaker 8: From that regard, I think that he has more speed
Speaker 8: and acceleration and the ability to get up the top
Speaker 8: speed more than Miles Sanders as right.
Speaker 4: Now, interesting because I think I would say the opposite.
Speaker 4: That's why that's why we have four different eyes here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's close. I mean I don't like it's it's not.
Speaker 8: Like it's it's it's not a It's not a four
Speaker 8: or five versus a four to three, right, I mean
Speaker 8: we're talking about just from what I'm seeing. When Fonte
Speaker 8: Williams hits a hole, he gets through there and you
Speaker 8: can see the acceleration at the next level. That's what
Speaker 8: I see in terms of who has the best vision,
Speaker 8: Jayden Blue Blue has had the best vision to me,
Speaker 8: out of everybody.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 8: I know everybody talks about his speed a lot of time.
Speaker 8: I know, I honestly haven't seen it yet. I've seen
Speaker 8: I haven't seen it yet. I'm looking forward to seeing
Speaker 8: looking forward to seeing it in the preseason.
Speaker 1: I don't think we have seen it fully uncorked yet.
Speaker 1: Out here, we may not.
Speaker 4: That's the thing about these training camp practices. Tuesday with
Speaker 4: maybe Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I think the play that I've really seen it was
Speaker 1: the deep play one handed go route. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: toting the rocket. Yeah.
Speaker 8: In terms of vision, his vision and his patience at
Speaker 8: the line of scrimmage is pretty dog on good for
Speaker 8: a young guy man. He'll put his foot in the ground,
Speaker 8: he'll jump a hole, boom, he'll accelerate. That's what you
Speaker 8: really need in this scheme that we're running, rather his
Speaker 8: own scheme type of type of offense. There's a lot
Speaker 8: of wait and see. You guys remember the old school
Speaker 8: uh Broncos with Terrell Davis. There was a lot of
Speaker 8: wait and see press press, press, press, press, one cut,
Speaker 8: get vertical, right, press press, press, ress, press, make one
Speaker 8: guy missed.
Speaker 1: Get vertical. Like a lot of that's a typically what
Speaker 1: we're gonna see.
Speaker 8: It's going to be a slower, methodical, sorry, methodical type
Speaker 8: of offense.
Speaker 1: And that's the expect that's my expectation of this office.
Speaker 8: And then you have the splash plays and the clear
Speaker 8: eyes half a running and second half in running and
Speaker 8: then obviously in the play action.
Speaker 5: So my question to you say where because one of
Speaker 5: the tenants. You're right, the three tenants for running back.
Speaker 5: One of the tenants was protect the ball? Yes, where
Speaker 5: you with Jayson Blue?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 5: Now he's not putting it on the ground in camp,
Speaker 5: but that that was a red flag for him coming
Speaker 5: into the league.
Speaker 1: Where's your comfort level with with him? Right there? Went
Speaker 1: now on that.
Speaker 8: I haven't seen it on the ground, So I guess
Speaker 8: my carmera level was high at this point. But again,
Speaker 8: wait till Tuesday?
Speaker 1: What was that? How many practices? This is gonna be? Okay?
Speaker 1: So this is number three and I do know this,
Speaker 1: This is not This is not to knock Jayme and
Speaker 1: Blue at all.
Speaker 5: I do see the progression as far as protecting the Yeah,
Speaker 5: the question will be how does that translate to the.
Speaker 1: Eagles doing it and the defensive line of the Giants
Speaker 1: doing it. So that's what I mean.
Speaker 8: That's a different mindset when you know that you're not
Speaker 8: going to the ground intentionally. When you know that you're
Speaker 8: not intentionally going to the ground. Now, guys are ended
Speaker 8: up on the ground obviously it's football, and you're trying
Speaker 8: to stay up.
Speaker 1: If he get tangled.
Speaker 8: Tuesday, I don't think that the other teams necessarily don't
Speaker 8: care about. So I think you'll get a better sense
Speaker 8: once that competitive level steps up. Yeah, what it really
Speaker 8: looks like it as a game.
Speaker 5: As it stands, James Blue is, he's on my roster,
Speaker 5: He's on my active fifty three. I just need to
Speaker 5: see him consistently protect the ball as he's been doing
Speaker 5: in camp. Just keep doing it, and you're really gonna
Speaker 5: he's gonna push Sanders and Williams.
Speaker 1: Is that group of three?
Speaker 5: It is?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 6: That's my three Alam Sanders, Blue Active.
Speaker 1: It's pretty much over by that point.
Speaker 8: I think they're gonna try to force the hand of Lok.
Speaker 8: They're gonna try to find a way to get lit
Speaker 8: necessarily counting.
Speaker 5: Don't count him in the running backs conversation as far
Speaker 5: as active, as like it's three and then my full
Speaker 5: back quas I believe that they're going to try to
Speaker 5: Hunter makes the Ross find we're not we're not talking
Speaker 5: about Hunter in my in my perspective, he's going to
Speaker 5: make the RUSS. So when I say I'm I'm carrying
Speaker 5: three running backs right now, I'm not talking about Hunter
Speaker 5: because he's going to make the roster as like a standalone.
Speaker 1: He's his own island, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And guys like Phil Maffa, I'm just are destined to
Speaker 4: be a well season.
Speaker 8: Possibly, these guys are gonna get a lot opporunities at
Speaker 8: the running back position in the preseason.
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. Still ten days away from the
Speaker 1: preseason game.
Speaker 8: We can have our opinions today at that position group,
Speaker 8: we won't know a lot until the game start.
Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to seeing MafA do some bruise work.
Speaker 5: He's going to be a bruiser in the preseason.
Speaker 6: I believe there's just so many names. I I think
Speaker 6: it is a commitative room.
Speaker 7: And like I said, what I really liked was running
Speaker 7: back by uh, not committee, but collective. I think that's
Speaker 7: it's It's something to watch obviously, but I think we're
Speaker 7: really going to get some answers uh in the preseason.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 5: Cavant Turpin is in the mix also, Yeah, as far
Speaker 5: as being utilized as a running back.
Speaker 1: But he's going to make the rosters. Ye, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be one of the mean as far as because he's
Speaker 1: getting some reps.
Speaker 5: So the reps that they give Kavan say gets removed
Speaker 5: from the other running back, So that means you really
Speaker 5: need to take advantage of them.
Speaker 4: Every single I'm on record just as much as you
Speaker 4: guys were talking about earlier. I'm on a record I
Speaker 4: hate running back by committee. I'm just not a fan
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I like how many teams don't
Speaker 1: have that? How many? That's the thing is, it's rare
Speaker 1: to not have it, Yes, exactly, Yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 4: Rare to have Yeah, to have a bell cow theymore,
Speaker 4: but you don't have that, and so you got to
Speaker 4: make what do?
Speaker 1: What's what's do? But you want one of these guys
Speaker 1: to emerge, you know, you don't want all.
Speaker 4: Three guys to just be kumbay all all year long
Speaker 4: because they're all going to have six hundred yards.
Speaker 1: I don't mind that.
Speaker 8: I would listen as long as the offense, yeah, is
Speaker 8: consistently getting four yards of pop.
Speaker 1: I am okay. I don't give a dog on who
Speaker 1: has it in their house.
Speaker 8: As long as they're not putting it on the ground,
Speaker 8: and as long as they have an occasional two or
Speaker 8: three splash players out of that position group, I don't
Speaker 8: care who it comes from.
Speaker 4: That I truly don't see but that's like fun fun
Speaker 4: Matt magical world that doesn't exist. All three guys doing that,
Speaker 4: then that means you have the perfect line, situation or line.
Speaker 4: Somebody's gonna fall short and somebody's gonna step in.
Speaker 5: I will see that point, and I'll raise you the
Speaker 5: following point. Ride the hot hand whoever. That might be
Speaker 5: the problem with last year and the way they come No,
Speaker 5: I'm we're talking about on record.
Speaker 1: I'm on the record.
Speaker 5: I hate the committee, your point, whoever, whomever, who emerges
Speaker 5: as the hot hand, rather it be week one, week two,
Speaker 5: you ride that because if you look at last season,
Speaker 5: the reason it took them so long for Rico Dawdle
Speaker 5: to really start becoming that lead back was because they
Speaker 5: stuck to the archetype that they had already pre established
Speaker 5: before they went into the season. But when Rico was
Speaker 5: the only one really showing the juice, that was the
Speaker 5: hot head at the time. Had you continued to ride Rico,
Speaker 5: what does this rushing attack look like over the totality
Speaker 5: of last year, if you didn't strap them, if you
Speaker 5: didn't handcuff him because you were saying, oh, it's committee's
Speaker 5: committee's committee.
Speaker 1: You look at these guys, And I.
Speaker 5: Like the word collective if you look at them as
Speaker 5: a collective, and you say Miles Sanders, Davonte Williams, assuming
Speaker 5: this is the three that make the active roster, not
Speaker 5: County Hunter, Lifkey, Miles Sanders, Davonte Williams, Jayson Blue. You say,
Speaker 5: go out there, and whoever has the best game today
Speaker 5: has the best shot of starting next week, and then
Speaker 5: rents and repeat until that person, if that player cools down,
Speaker 5: if that player starts.
Speaker 6: To cool, says the most consistent collective.
Speaker 1: Collective. Yeah, I'm with collect committee. Collective, it's the same thing.
Speaker 7: But but let me let me just say this running
Speaker 7: back by committee has given us a sour taste over
Speaker 7: the past three seasons. Right, we haven't had that guy
Speaker 7: that guy considerably in the last three seasons. When other
Speaker 7: teams do it, there is more of a cohesive understanding
Speaker 7: of one running back over the others taking the ball.
Speaker 1: That's what I like. That's what I like. That's what
Speaker 1: I don't like.
Speaker 7: What we've been given in the running back by coach
Speaker 7: over the last three that's what I like. We have
Speaker 7: to change that, and I think this coaching staff is
Speaker 7: doing that now.
Speaker 5: The week Polot Dynamic was very effective with a change
Speaker 5: of pace back as RB three.
Speaker 1: We haven't had that. I haven't had it. I don't
Speaker 1: like sea words. All right.
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Speaker 4: Oh no, all right ever skip leg stock up, stock down, gentlemen,
Speaker 4: cowboys have gone through seven practices, two of those padded.
Speaker 1: We will have practice number eightven.
Speaker 4: That's seven practices, going into practice number eight today and
Speaker 4: this practice number three, kads, I'm gonna do a little
Speaker 4: stock up, stock down, and at the end, I want
Speaker 4: you guys to throw in a couple names that you're saying,
Speaker 4: stock up or stock down. But I'm gonna start with
Speaker 4: three topics here that since the start of training camp,
Speaker 4: this is the direction they've been heading.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with the overarching one, Brian Schottenheimer stock
Speaker 1: up and stock down? Stock up? Okay?
Speaker 5: Why is that everything that he was saying over the
Speaker 5: course of the off season, we're seeing it put into
Speaker 5: play on the practice field. One thing he didn't mention
Speaker 5: in the off season was the type of disciplinarian that
Speaker 5: he would be. But we're seeing his late great father
Speaker 5: Marty being channeled through example.
Speaker 1: Yesterday, the guy's got into a skirmish two or three times.
Speaker 5: Three times with fifteen minutes left in practice, Schottenheimer killed practice, said, oh,
Speaker 5: you guys want to fight, then let's fight. Made everybody,
Speaker 5: everybody from franchise players to the nineth man on the
Speaker 5: roster and lineup and run sideline the sideline for the
Speaker 5: remaining fifteen minutes before then giving them an.
Speaker 1: Earfull on why he's not going to accept that.
Speaker 5: We're starting to see Shoddy is not simply a great
Speaker 5: communicator and a player's type coach. But he's that same
Speaker 5: players coach that looked the player in the face and
Speaker 5: tell him straight up when you're messing up, and then
Speaker 5: make him accountable and make and penalize them for it.
Speaker 5: So for me, a stock up, I see everything translating
Speaker 5: so far. Again, we'll see how it happens when you
Speaker 5: play the Eagles and the Giants and the Commanders and
Speaker 5: all these other teams. Time will tell, But as it stands,
Speaker 5: I like this hard nosed Marty ball type feel that
Speaker 5: I'm that I'm seeing out here.
Speaker 4: You could have done that run yesterday, the back and forth.
Speaker 4: Yeah it wasn't really gas, it wasn't, but it was
Speaker 4: just getting there and getting back. There were no timers.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe that's the next step show, Maybe that's the
Speaker 4: next step. Is it's like, okay, here's the warning shot.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 5: Maybe you know, sate sideline pain, I'm sorry next time. Yeah,
Speaker 5: traumatic looks like one of those.
Speaker 1: All right, stock stock down, you guys agree, stock up?
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm gonna give Brian Schottenheimer stuck up.
Speaker 7: But like a cryptocurrency, because it's not real yet, you
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying, Like it's it's going up steadily.
Speaker 6: It's like my bitcoin right now where it's kind of
Speaker 6: like it's.
Speaker 1: Stead going how many of those? But it ain't real
Speaker 1: because we haven't played.
Speaker 6: A football game yet.
Speaker 7: Man, Once we are playing football games, once it is real,
Speaker 7: the statistics are real, all of those things happen, then
Speaker 7: I can actually take that money out.
Speaker 1: But we're talking about this point.
Speaker 7: Like I said, it's stuck up, but it ain't order
Speaker 7: of one in a quarter of one of your quarter
Speaker 7: of one point to to to to one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's my bitcoin situation, right.
Speaker 1: I want myn equivalent wasn't but I can't use it yet.
Speaker 1: Offensive line stock up or stock down to the beginning
Speaker 1: of can because I have.
Speaker 4: A couple different there's a different few folds to this.
Speaker 4: Go ahead and give me your ants down as a
Speaker 4: stock down stock.
Speaker 8: Down reasons being injuries sustained and also I have not
Speaker 8: seen the dominance that I was hoping to see as
Speaker 8: a collective unit collective units more than one person collective unit.
Speaker 6: Up front, you can't do offensive line by committee.
Speaker 1: I heard the snort le I'm so done, thing continued.
Speaker 5: I'm going I'm going stock down because of injuries, like
Speaker 5: I said, Terrence Steele missed some practices because of injury.
Speaker 5: He's back, but you know he wasn't out there for
Speaker 5: a couple Tyler guy and he goes down with injury.
Speaker 5: Now you're trying to figure out left tackle. Rob Jones
Speaker 5: was showing you some things. Now he's out for two
Speaker 5: to three nicks with two to three months with the
Speaker 5: fracture and his nick. I mean, what you're seeing right
Speaker 5: now is Cooper BB be consistent and improve. You're seeing
Speaker 5: Tyler Smith still still very much be Tyler Smith. Tyler
Speaker 5: Booker is flashing, but like you said, there were things
Speaker 5: he struggled with in the beginning, which is why he
Speaker 5: went down to second team. So other than Cooper BB
Speaker 5: and Tyler Smith, those are my two positives. The other
Speaker 5: three positions between injuries and flux, it's stuck down at
Speaker 5: the moment.
Speaker 4: It's funny because I would say, Josh, my confidence in
Speaker 4: the depth of the offensive line has gone up, but
Speaker 4: the fact that you're having to use it so quickly
Speaker 4: is going The overarching stock is going down.
Speaker 1: I like what we've seen from Nate Thomas.
Speaker 4: I think he's stepped into a left tackle roll yesterday
Speaker 4: and played well. I'm excited to see what he does
Speaker 4: with the pads on today. I think that's going to
Speaker 4: be a big step forward. I like what we've seen
Speaker 4: from guys like Bass and Hoffman.
Speaker 1: That's genuinely what we've seen at right tackle, not at
Speaker 1: the guard spot. He was at right tackle.
Speaker 7: Name you didn't mention, which I'm curious about. I guess
Speaker 7: your evaluation so far is awesome Richards.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I think Richards has had a decent camp.
Speaker 4: He's not perfect, not perfect, and I think there's there's
Speaker 4: growing that's still happening there.
Speaker 1: But they've put him at left tackle too, and I think.
Speaker 6: You are you are you giving? Are you giving? Not awesome?
Speaker 7: But they have a left tackles a tom Are you
Speaker 7: giving him the edge over awesome right now at.
Speaker 1: The moment they are.
Speaker 4: I would have started awesome first and seen what he did,
Speaker 4: But now I get why. I mean, I saw that
Speaker 4: he had a great practice yesterday. No, Pats still had
Speaker 4: a good practice. I want to see what it is
Speaker 4: today and then I'll give you a better answer of that.
Speaker 4: But I like what we've seen from the death so far.
Speaker 4: It's the death. But I also don't like what we've
Speaker 4: seen from two first round picks, so you're down and
Speaker 4: your right tackle. So I'm down over all, down overall,
Speaker 4: but the death I like.
Speaker 1: A little bit.
Speaker 6: The suck is down.
Speaker 1: But if you want to tell me that it was
Speaker 1: up because of the death, I don't think I would
Speaker 1: argue with you. But I'm I'm still down.
Speaker 7: Stock is down, but I'm definitely holding on the offensive line.
Speaker 7: You have to hold out hope for for this one.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 6: If you actually have stock in this, it's down, but
Speaker 6: you're not panicking yet.
Speaker 4: It's kind of the running back position. Same thing you're
Speaker 4: holding out. It's kind of like that.
Speaker 1: Let's say, defensive line, you gotta break it out. You
Speaker 1: got to break you see, and that's what's gonna make it.
Speaker 1: It's like training. I'm trying to massage those brain muscles
Speaker 1: a little bit. We're trying to get you going. It
Speaker 1: is combined defensive line upper down. What are you thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm go ahead, I'm going up. I'm going up.
Speaker 1: I like what I've seen in terms of.
Speaker 8: The schemes in the position of flex that this defensive
Speaker 8: line room collectively okay, uh, presents for mat and he
Speaker 8: is in his bag. I'm not going to say all
Speaker 8: the things that I'm seeing because I think some of
Speaker 8: these things he wants to keep tight to his chest,
Speaker 8: but he is playing around with every defensive look that
Speaker 8: you can ever imagine. He's playing around with all the
Speaker 8: different personnel groupings within those schemes that you can ever imagine.
Speaker 8: Because of this this competition word that we keep talking about,
Speaker 8: there's gonna be plenty of guys that are going to
Speaker 8: be collectively making an impact on that defensive front.
Speaker 5: I do like the competition as a sea where I
Speaker 5: agree with say I'm going with stock Up. That's That's
Speaker 5: what I was going to lead with. And I'm going
Speaker 5: to say stock up because though there are some question
Speaker 5: marks at Nose Tackle, you know, what are they doing
Speaker 5: with Manzi Smith?
Speaker 1: What is that that latest version of the experiment look like?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: I look.
Speaker 5: I like what I'm saying from Salomon Thomas. I love
Speaker 5: what I'm seeing from OSA. You're you're getting the Osa
Speaker 5: of prime Os. It looks like j Toya pleasantly surprised
Speaker 5: me yesterday by being awarded some first team reps. So
Speaker 5: there's some progress there and I think remind me of
Speaker 5: in terms of just looks Videvelle Nope.
Speaker 1: I wanted to just to say I want him to
Speaker 1: put a visor on. If you put a visor on,
Speaker 1: maybe you would.
Speaker 5: Know reflective Nope, dark uh NFC Easca, North Green Bay.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 5: Gilbert, Yeah, there it is there. It is there, It
Speaker 5: is there, it is I looked up and I was
Speaker 5: like that, Oh my gosh, yeah, yeah, I see where
Speaker 5: you're going here. It was a black vice around He's
Speaker 5: Gilbert Brown. But so there there are there are questions.
Speaker 5: Now you're right there, So there are question marks on
Speaker 5: the defensive tackle. There are at least some positives there.
Speaker 5: And then when you look at the defensive end group,
Speaker 5: you could not be more up. You could not be
Speaker 5: more up. So as a whole, I mean you could be.
Speaker 5: There could be a guy named Michaeh. Parsons out there.
Speaker 1: I'm factory.
Speaker 5: That would be you'd be He'll be there, surely I'm factory.
Speaker 5: Michael in you Again, you could not be more up
Speaker 5: with this defensive end room. So, if anything, the d's
Speaker 5: are carrying this grade. But there are some positives mixed
Speaker 5: in with some of the concerns at DT.
Speaker 7: You gotta love what Salmon Thomas is doing so far.
Speaker 7: You gotta love what you see from Osa and the
Speaker 7: depth behind it. I mean, like I said, Ja is
Speaker 7: doing an impressive job out there with the twos and
Speaker 7: like you said, getting reps with the ones as well.
Speaker 7: Other than that, the defensive ends are doing excellent. Like
Speaker 7: you have to love the the depth that you have
Speaker 7: there easy is just a monster.
Speaker 6: He's getting in people's business. It's almost defensive.
Speaker 1: Smirk. You have to love it.
Speaker 7: There is a big question mark for me at defensive tackle,
Speaker 7: but so far, so good as far as defensive line goes.
Speaker 6: As a whole, stock is way.
Speaker 1: Up on defense and really quickly.
Speaker 5: I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Perry on Winfree
Speaker 5: is he's he's standing out. I'm not going to say
Speaker 5: he's out there, you know, taking over, but he's standing out.
Speaker 5: So that goes to the DT equation.
Speaker 6: I saw Tyrus Wheat blowing a dude up yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, we we when it comes to yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: we's a sleeper when you see that no one out
Speaker 1: the game wrecks in the preseason. You know what position?
Speaker 1: Defensive end?
Speaker 8: What do you know?
Speaker 4: Anybody y'all want to throw out their stock ups, stock
Speaker 4: down stock that's a big stock and I'm going to
Speaker 4: leave it there.
Speaker 1: What about Joe Milton? Stock up? Stock down down? I
Speaker 1: think so too.
Speaker 6: Stock down on Joe Milton.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why is that? Well, there's there's a lot of pretsons.
Speaker 1: Why but we don't have to at the time.
Speaker 6: Real quick, But are you looking forward to seeing him
Speaker 6: in the preseason.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we're gonna We're gonna see a ton of and
Speaker 1: he has turn his stock around.
Speaker 6: But if your stocks down, I mean you're just like, okay,
Speaker 6: well then you know no.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, don't stock mark. It's the stock market
Speaker 5: in an instant can it can explode.
Speaker 1: He's going to be here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they invested anybody else names go receivers, Yeah, receivers
Speaker 4: stocking up, stock.
Speaker 5: Down, mingle mingo down, that said mingles up. Let me say,
Speaker 5: let me say this practice squad Holden is open. Yeah, yes, seriously, he's.
Speaker 1: Got a good camp.
Speaker 6: So I'm dead serious.
Speaker 7: Practice squad stuck up because you're seeing some guys step
Speaker 7: up here. And we've talked about it even in the
Speaker 7: last seasons where it's like the when you needed receivers
Speaker 7: to step up to that wide receiver three position last year,
Speaker 7: it wasn't really I mean, it happened in spurts. One
Speaker 7: guy would have day, another guy would have a day.
Speaker 7: Treh On Holden has been very consistent so far. I
Speaker 7: like watching him. Whenever I get out there, I kind
Speaker 7: of look for his number. And even Ryan Flinoy yep,
Speaker 7: I like what you're seeing from him so far.
Speaker 6: Uh, just building a topic about it.
Speaker 1: Change his number. We gotta go. Gam is gonna start
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