WEBVTT - "I DON'T LIKE YOUR PODCAST" 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.880 Hello, Hi, is this a gg? 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:04.080 Yeah? 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:05.000 Who is this? 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:05.880 This is Veronica? 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:06.560 How you doing? 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:13.760 I'm doing good, Veronica. Listen. It says here that you 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:18.480 have a boyfriend that you're currently with right now, and 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:21.960 it says that he's a licensed therapist and that he 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:25.680 does not like my show. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:31.080 That is absolutely correct. I'm looking at him and he's 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:32.240 not happy. 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:36.680 Calling okay, and can I talk to him? Because it 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:38.199 says you want me to talk to him so that 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:40.240 we can hash it out. And this is actually so 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:41.959 that I've been wanting to do for a long time. 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:43.879 And people have listened to the podcast for a long time. No, 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:47.519 I've been wanting to talk to somebody who does not 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.319 like me because there's I'm lucky enough that people come 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:53.360 on the phone and they're excited to talk to me, 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.320 But I want to experience what the opposite is like. 0:00:57.760 --> 0:00:59.920 Well, here you go. Here's the thing. Is I listen 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.840 you all the time. He hates when I listen to you. 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.880 He can yeah, put me on the phone. Yeah, put 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:11.520 me on the phone with him. It means Art, okay, great, Hello, Hey, 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:12.160 what's up Art? 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:18.800 Oh? Just trying to enjoy another Friday night? How about you? 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:19.360 My friend? 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.559 Okay, am I just am I interrupting that goal? 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:29.759 No, No, it's it's not that. I I think it's more. 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:34.319 I don't think Veronica understands that I don't want to 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:38.759 work outside of work or be reminded of work outside 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:40.520 of work, which is why I don't like your show. 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:45.240 It's not necessarily a you thing, right, I mean to 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:50.040 be fair, I really know you or how you I 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:53.080 do things. I might overhear her and she's watching it 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:57.280 or something like that, and you know what, that's great. 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.200 You provide a really great needed service and stuff like 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:01.880 that that I want to know. 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.440 I wanted criticism. I want you to tell me how 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.760 much you hate me. I want you to tell Please 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:08.440 give me what you want to tell me. That tell 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:10.560 me your honest truth art, that's all I want. You 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.280 don't have to worry about offending, Just tell me the 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:13.840 honest truth. 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.200 I just don't. I don't think you know you should 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.200 be given advice without the training. That's the main thing. 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:22.000 That's the main thing. I mean, I guess it's not 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.440 really advice. Don't give it, you know, it's it's one 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:30.880 of those things. I think. You know. It's good that 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.519 you you can be a friend of these people, right, 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:41.000 and sometimes well, I know, I know it's good. You 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:45.280 can be a person that people can lean into, like 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:50.400 a therapist. But you know, what do you got? What 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.600 do you got just practiced? I mean usually it comes 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:59.200 down to people telling you like, hey, uh I you 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:02.040 know you lean into it, Like how did you get 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.480 into this? It was because one of your your friends 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.919 said like, oh, you're really good at listening to people 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:07.720 and stuff like that. 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:12.080 My friends, my friends don't My friends don't like to 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.720 talk to me about things going on in their lives. 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:16.160 They don't trust me with that stuff. 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:22.040 Why is that because they're afraid you're gonna say it 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:22.520 on the radio. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:24.760 No, I don't think that. I just I don't think 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.080 they respect me. 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.480 Like what's the what's the balance there? 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:34.440 So art, I know this is a serious question. Okay, 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:35.840 I'm not trying to fuck with you. This is not 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:42.040 got your thing? All right? So so what like, what 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:46.800 do you think I don't know, like in the practice 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:51.480 of talking to people about stuff, what do you think 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.360 I need to know that I don't know that makes 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:55.480 this bad? 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:03.360 Hmmm? I think honestly, ah, well, you know, I just 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.200 kind of reverse my own thought. I think that people 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.240 feel the nice thing about you, I guess here's you're 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.000 a shit sandwich. The nice thing about you is that 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:15.920 people feel like they develop a relationship with you, because honestly, 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:19.640 the relationship is the key, you know, thing to change 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:24.479 or creating things, and so people they know you help 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:28.120 to build comfortability as well as being detached from them. 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:30.560 I think the other piece of that is is, Okay, 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:32.680 they listen to you and they think they know you, 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.120 and at the same time you don't know what the 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:41.680 fuck you're doing, which you know can on occasion. I 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.120 think if anything, it's like, okay, well, you know, it's 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.479 a good release. Yeah. And there's the other part of 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.560 the shit sandwich that's good is you know, at least 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:55.320 you can give them that out. But it's just a 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.359 I think I think you're doing great. 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.640 Honestly, I can tell me the damn it art, don't 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:02.520 I want the truth? 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:02.840 All right? 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:06.039 I get people coming into your all time telling me things. 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:06.720 I want the truth. 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:07.040 Art. 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.520 I don't want to be at work when I'm trying 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.920 to relax. I don't want to listen to to people's 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:17.360 problems outside of my job, you know. That's that's that's 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.960 why I don't do. That's my things. And you know, 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:24.760 there are brow the criticisms of like, yeah, you know 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:26.560 you don't entirely know what you're doing and you're doing 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:27.919 don't great service. 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:34.159 They But here's the thing. Use the thing I've been thinking, well, 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:39.200 i've been thinking I part of me and I I I. 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:44.360 I try to set this up where it's more so 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:48.320 you can talk to a gecko about anything. And it's 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:53.839 almost a little bit more journalistic than it is therapistic, 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:57.320 because sometimes people just call in and you know, I don't. 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.599 I don't want to be the advice guy. I don't 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:01.240 want to be. 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.359 Does it feel like voyeurism, Yes, it is. 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.040 It's well it's voyeurism for me and for everyone watching. 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:13.960 And I think that in the process of, you know, 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:19.839 explaining themselves, that people do get some kind of a 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:23.520 relief because maybe they're explaining something that they haven't gotten 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:27.320 the chance to explain to anyone else in their personal life. 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.480 And then we're just kind of sitting here listening. I'm 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.280 not trying to you know, get I mean, I do 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:35.240 sometimes just because it comes out of me, but I 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:39.320 don't I'm not trying to give people advice advice. I'm 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:43.120 mostly trying to just like ask them stuff about them, 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:48.600 so more journalistically than therapistically. But also you could find 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:50.599 a lot of examples of me not doing that and 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:52.800 me just totally pretending to be a therapist. 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:57.720 Oh yeah, probably. But I think, you know, honestly, half 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.360 the time, I feel like I don't know what I'm 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:00.839 doing in my job, and I think. 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:02.960 I, ah, okay, all right, so how are we in 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:04.920 if you don't know what you're doing either. 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.680 Well, because I'm actually trained it that I know what 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.840 I'm doing, it just feel like I don't know what 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.480 i'm doing it. You know, it's more inane. 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:16.720 I said, I was trying to get you, but I 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:18.000 said I got you. 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:22.040 Just now you got me? You got me there? Yeah, 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:27.160 but you know, yeah, but I think you've experienced it yourself. 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.840 I mean, someone will say something and it's like you 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.880 almost have like that out of body experience where you're like, 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:34.560 I don't know what the hell to say to this, 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:39.480 you know, And I've heard terrible, awful things and just 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:45.080 very weird things, and you know, sometimes just saying that 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.480 is the big thing. I think. I'm honestly, you know, 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:50.800 if you want my opinion, I have no idea if 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.119 you've ever considered going to school for it or anything 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.360 like that. But you know, from what I've heard, you 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.320 do a pretty decent job. You'd consider it with little 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.760 more training. But you know, you did pretty well for yourself, 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.679 I imagine, And this is fine, and people are interested 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:10.720 in you know, people, I think, I think that's a 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.160 little I don't know. That feels a little gross to me. 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:17.160 But you know, if if it's the if it is 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:21.480 a getting a person into therapy, then great, if that's there. 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.520 You know what, tell me why it feels gross to you. 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:28.760 I think in a lot of ways, it's just kind 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:35.800 of like getting like getting off on other people's things. 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:37.840 You know. It's a lot like Gosip and ship like that. 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.040 I say, why people like gospel and things I don't. 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:44.400 I'm not the biggest you know. It's just one of 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.400 those things. It's that's my personal opinion. 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:47.920 But I respect that. 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.920 Right well, you know, But again, at the end of 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.880 the day, looking for criticism for criticism sake, not it 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.640 the biggest thing. I just don't want to be reminded 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:00.960 of work. 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:02.120 What is. 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:08.000 Oh? I made some pasta. I made it a nice 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:11.720 pasta and brought Veronica has some flowers and this is 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:18.000 what she uh show she what she gives back? Art? 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:19.800 Tell all right, tell me this art? 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:20.240 All right? 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:23.040 When you and somebody says something to you, and you 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:32.160 and you're real and you're you know, fancy, Oh okay, no, 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:34.360 I'm just fucking with you. When someone says something real 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.640 to you, uh, something, you don't know what to say 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:40.679 to them? What do you say? What do you how 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:41.559 do you deal with that? 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.400 And honest would be like probably like you know, wow, 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:49.400 I don't really know what to say to that, and 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.080 just be honest with them. I mean, it's really comes 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.960 down that field, right, You're feeling it out and like 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.559 usually whatever you're feeling is what the other person is 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:04.880 feeling the room. And a lot of the time, you know, 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.080 with that, if they're telling you something, you know, like 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.480 I mean, just having someone say like wow, that's fucked 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:15.880 up or wow, that's you know, a lot just being 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:19.760 that because they expect everybody to look at you for answers, 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.480 and they expect everybody to be like, you know, oh 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.880 you know this, or people do go I mean, that's 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.079 that's a lot of the time why we don't go 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:32.040 to friends for therapy because I mean, for one, there 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.559 can't be impartial. But for two, they're going to try 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:39.160 to tell you what to do, you know, and it's 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.120 a lot like it's a lot like when your doctor 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.400 needs or tells you you need to go work out, right, 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.160 you might go work out for three days and then 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:47.800 after that you're like, ah, I fuck that, it didn't 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.199 really work. Unless you truly believe you need to work out, 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.480 you're not going to do it right. Just like, I mean, 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:57.000 that's that's empathy and sympathy, right, Like, if we're down 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:58.960 in a hole together and I can know how I 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.719 would get out of the hole, it might not be 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.320 the same as how you get out of the whole. 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:05.600 That's how I get out of the hole. I can 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:07.720 rather than just being like, wow, hey, I'll be down 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.599 on this hole with you together, but you have to 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:11.920 figure out how to get out of this hole on 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:13.560 your own. 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:15.160 I like it. That makes sense. Well, that makes sense 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:19.160 considering that people are wired very differently to how they 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.240 want to solve their problems and in terms of what 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.000 works for them. 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:25.640 I mean, we could we could get into a whole 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:30.720 discussion on why you know, I feel my personal opinions 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.240 on different theories of therapy and like, you know, fuck 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:35.959 solution focused therapy. You're just giving me. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.280 So listen, what do you think is wrong with me 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:40.040 just as a person. 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.439 As a person as a person. 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:47.319 Well, from what you've heard, I think that. 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.679 Well, for one, Veronica likes you too much, which is 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.920 an issue. But the other thing really is I think that. 0:11:58.520 --> 0:11:58.960 I don't know. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.840 It just gives me a little I mean, I imagine it started. 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.160 I just don't know what you get out of this, 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:07.640 and it kind of that kind of freaks me out 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.079 a little bit, you know, No, imagine do you think 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:11.880 I know? 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.000 But do you think I have like sin? 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.160 Did you get off on it? That's great? No, I 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.199 don't think that. But I mean ignorance is just as 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.880 bad of a thing as you know, bad intentions, right. 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.960 Mm hmm, all right. But outside of all this, like 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.400 like me as a part like forget about my Gecko show? Like, 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:36.679 what do you think like along with me as a guy? O? 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.280 You you live in your mom's basement? 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:46.760 No not, I lived in my mom's basements, uh for 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:48.360 like a year and a half. I don't anymore. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:55.800 Nothing wrong with that. I think, you know, I think 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.080 you're looking for meaning and everybody else and not able 0:12:58.120 --> 0:12:59.440 to find meaning for yourself. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.559 Oh wait, that's very interesting. I'm looking for meaning and 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:07.559 everyone else and not able to find meaning in myself. Interesting. 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:13.120 Where do you think? What? What has what has led 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:14.120 you to that belief? 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.720 Well, I mean look at what you do, right, I 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:24.080 mean you are looking at everybody else constant? 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:25.880 Yeah? Yeah, yeah? 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.439 And I mean do you give yourself time for introspection? 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:33.800 Do you ever, you know, allow yourself good for you? Oh? 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:37.760 Yeah, I'm always I'm always thinking about why I do 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.360 the I'm always thinking about why I do the things 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:43.200 I do and because I because I really do feel 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.560 as though I live in like this infinite universe of 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:52.359 infinite possibilities and infinite happiness as well as infinite depression 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:56.840 and sorrow, and there's at all times infinite decisions I 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:00.400 could make, And it's like in all that infinite See, 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.880 why do I make the decisions that I make? I 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:05.120 think about that every day. 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:06.320 Yeah. 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.079 That sounds super overwhelming, right? 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:09.400 Yeah? 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.040 How do I do it? Well? How do you deal 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.400 with that? I mean you much feel stuck and in 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:18.319 a lot of ways, it sounds like one way is 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.080 figuring out how everybody else does it? Right? 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.800 Yes, yes, that is a part. It's funny you say that, 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:27.920 because that is a part of this. I have one 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.920 of my biggest problems in my life as I'm very indecisive, 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.840 and I'll ask I'll go and I'll ask everyone's opinion 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.800 on things, Like I'll ask all my friends and my 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.680 parents and my you know, just anyone close to me. 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.560 Like anytime I have like a life thing or whatever, 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.160 I'm very indecisive, so I'll always ask other people. And 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.040 maybe this is like a version of that, like I'm 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:55.160 looking at other people's stuff to get a better idea 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.240 of my own stuff. And maybe that's also a little 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.560 bit what the listener gets out of it too, of 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:03.560 like you know, they they're they're learning a little bit 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:08.800 about how they feel or their unmeaning of things to 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:09.160 other people. 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:12.320 Giving me I will say that, you know, that's a 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:16.800 very big piece of what I do. I mean, you know, 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.120 the only person in the room who is the expert 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:24.600 on you, is you right? Yeah? I know I have 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.160 like some education or whatever, but you know, and I 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:31.240 think in a lot of ways, me helping people figure 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:34.200 it out helps me figure it out, just like you 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.960 helping people figure it out helps you figure it out. 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:42.000 Which is a kind of hard, like I mean, it's 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:43.920 a it's a hard place to be. And I think 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:49.680 you know, life is shitty and we there isn't really 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.000 much of a meaning to anything, which gives meaning to everything, 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:56.400 but figuring that out for yourself, or figuring out what 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:03.840 gives you whatever it is is. I mean, say you 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:07.280 woke up tomorrow and everything was perfect and you were 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.360 feeling fantastic. What would that look like? 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.040 Well? Can I well, actually, this kind of seg this 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:19.160 segues me into what I wanted to ask you just now, 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.560 because you said that life is shitty. You asked me, well, 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:25.000 how I would feel if everything was perfect? I truly believe, 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:31.160 I actually believe, really in my gut that everything right now, 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:35.960 in this moment, as it is, is already perfect. It's 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:42.080 already perfect. And my biggest my problem does not lie 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:48.200 in I need to change and shift external circumstances to 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:53.000 make things even more perfect. My problem lies eternally in 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:58.760 my own perspective of being able to constantly consistently see 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.680 those perfect things for what they are. I mean, just 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.960 I mean, I'm not even talking about like my life specifically, 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:08.000 I'm talking about like having arms and legs and a 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:11.800 cup of clean water and shit like that's perfect as 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.520 it is. And I feel like it's my issue that 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.800 I can't see that and be just happy for that. 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:21.040 So let me ask you something you said that you 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.080 you said just now that life is shitty. Why do 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:24.959 you think life is shitty? Do you really believe that? 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:28.679 I don't think I necessarily really believe that, but I 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.480 think a lot of people believe that. And I think 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:34.399 that you know, the piece of it is and this 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.359 isn't me as a therapist, is it's just me as a person, 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:40.119 But I think that you know, a big piece of 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:47.119 it is. Everything is pretty much based on your own experience. 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:53.439 How you how when something happens to you or you know, 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:57.000 and that same thing happens to somebody else, you're going 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:01.199 to respond in too entirely different ways, right, just like 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:07.679 you know, being trying to be thankful that, yeah, you know, 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.120 we are pretty lucky to live in a place where 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.520 we have running water and a roof over our heads 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:17.520 and all of these things, you know, and you still 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:23.360 have your own problems, right, I mean, at the at 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.879 the end of the day, the only one that feels 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:27.840 what you feel and goes through what you go through 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:32.400 is you, and it's really just how you two to 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:37.760 deal with it or not deal with it, right, because well, 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.560 maybe the show is just a big roundabout way to 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:45.480 not have to deal with your things and hope that 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:46.480 it magically comes to you. 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:50.520 I don't know, are you talking about again? Yeah, I'm 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:54.639 talking about you again, So it is. It is, So 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:59.320 I'll answer that it is a way to not think 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:02.840 about my problems. I'm when I'm doing my stream and 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.120 recording my thing, it's three hours where I'm not thinking 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.479 about my problems because I'm thinking about other people's problems. 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:13.560 But I don't think that's any different from like if 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:17.160 I was like a fucking if. I like to sew, 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.720 and I don't feel like because I'm not thinking of 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.679 my own problems because I'm present in the moment of 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:25.640 what I'm doing. That's why I'm not thinking about other people. 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:27.560 That's all. I'm not thinking about problems, not even because 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.399 I'm thinking about other people's stuff. I feel like that 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.919 because I'm just present with what I'm doing because I 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.800 have to be, because that's how you have a conversation 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:40.160 with someone is to actually be in it. And when 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:46.640 I'm not doing this I'm back again staring at the infinite. 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:51.159 When I was talking about earlier, the infiniteness of life 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:53.720 in the universe, and I could make any single decision, 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:58.280 I could make any possible decision at all. But here, 0:19:58.320 --> 0:19:59.840 as I'm talking to you, I'm not thinking about that, 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.680 just thinking about what's right in front of me, which 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.600 is talking to you and trying to do this podcast well. 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:09.480 So that that, I would say, is the big thing 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:12.439 that I get out of it in terms of, you know, 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:14.560 the avoidance of my own problems. But you could say 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:18.640 that about fucking playing basketball. You know, you're you're focusing 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:19.240 on the game. 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:23.320 I think it's important for you and me for that matter, 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:30.720 to recognize, Okay, I might be escaping my own reality 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.159 in when I'm doing this or when i'm you know, 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:37.879 when I'm working or something like that, but you're still 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:42.280 bringing you I mean, that's that's the important thing. And 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:46.919 you know I'm not condoning what you do, but I 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.639 will say that if you're going to continue doing it, 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:51.600 bring yourself trying to bring yourself to it. 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:53.600 What do you what do you mean? Yeah, just now, 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.360 when you just now, when you said, whatever you're doing, 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:57.760 you're bringing you to it. What do you tell me 0:20:57.800 --> 0:20:59.199 what you mean by that? And tell me what you 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:01.280 mean by I should bring myself. 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.720 I mean, don't be somebody for anybody else. The reason 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:07.480 why you're good at what you do or the reason 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:12.480 why people listen to you is because they're seeing you 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:14.800 or they're saying a version of you. But you know, 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:20.200 I think that to truly bring you to that, bring 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:22.800 in that existential ship, bring in that stuff that you're 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:29.000 scared of, you know, look into that. Add add to it, 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:33.160 throw your own well heot your motives in there, right, 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:36.320 because I mean I think you probably have them, you 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:42.080 just aren't acknowledging them, or you're don't want to see them. Yeah, 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:46.520 of trying to figure out how to enjoy just living 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:48.120 and the things that you have. 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.119 Yeah, well that's that's all the I mean, that's all 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:53.560 the ship I was was just talking about. I want 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:55.919 to know from you. Yeah, Art is you know art 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:57.040 or ants. 0:21:58.720 --> 0:21:59.600 Art like Arthur. 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:03.560 Art, Arthur it is it is, it is your real name, 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:07.840 Arthur Art art. Forget. I asked that question, what is 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:10.160 the what is your meaning? What is your personal meaning 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:11.600 of life? Why do you do what you do? 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:18.240