Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, is this a gg?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Who is this?
Speaker 2: This is Veronica?
Speaker 1: How you doing?
Speaker 3: I'm doing good, Veronica. Listen. It says here that you
Speaker 3: have a boyfriend that you're currently with right now, and
Speaker 3: it says that he's a licensed therapist and that he
Speaker 3: does not like my show.
Speaker 2: That is absolutely correct. I'm looking at him and he's
Speaker 2: not happy.
Speaker 3: Calling okay, and can I talk to him? Because it
Speaker 3: says you want me to talk to him so that
Speaker 3: we can hash it out. And this is actually so
Speaker 3: that I've been wanting to do for a long time.
Speaker 3: And people have listened to the podcast for a long time. No,
Speaker 3: I've been wanting to talk to somebody who does not
Speaker 3: like me because there's I'm lucky enough that people come
Speaker 3: on the phone and they're excited to talk to me,
Speaker 3: But I want to experience what the opposite is like.
Speaker 2: Well, here you go. Here's the thing. Is I listen
Speaker 2: you all the time. He hates when I listen to you.
Speaker 3: He can yeah, put me on the phone. Yeah, put
Speaker 3: me on the phone with him. It means Art, okay, great, Hello, Hey,
Speaker 3: what's up Art?
Speaker 2: Oh? Just trying to enjoy another Friday night? How about you?
Speaker 2: My friend?
Speaker 3: Okay, am I just am I interrupting that goal?
Speaker 2: No, No, it's it's not that. I I think it's more.
Speaker 2: I don't think Veronica understands that I don't want to
Speaker 2: work outside of work or be reminded of work outside
Speaker 2: of work, which is why I don't like your show.
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily a you thing, right, I mean to
Speaker 2: be fair, I really know you or how you I
Speaker 2: do things. I might overhear her and she's watching it
Speaker 2: or something like that, and you know what, that's great.
Speaker 2: You provide a really great needed service and stuff like
Speaker 2: that that I want to know.
Speaker 3: I wanted criticism. I want you to tell me how
Speaker 3: much you hate me. I want you to tell Please
Speaker 3: give me what you want to tell me. That tell
Speaker 3: me your honest truth art, that's all I want. You
Speaker 3: don't have to worry about offending, Just tell me the
Speaker 3: honest truth.
Speaker 2: I just don't. I don't think you know you should
Speaker 2: be given advice without the training. That's the main thing.
Speaker 2: That's the main thing. I mean, I guess it's not
Speaker 2: really advice. Don't give it, you know, it's it's one
Speaker 2: of those things. I think. You know. It's good that
Speaker 2: you you can be a friend of these people, right,
Speaker 2: and sometimes well, I know, I know it's good. You
Speaker 2: can be a person that people can lean into, like
Speaker 2: a therapist. But you know, what do you got? What
Speaker 2: do you got just practiced? I mean usually it comes
Speaker 2: down to people telling you like, hey, uh I you
Speaker 2: know you lean into it, Like how did you get
Speaker 2: into this? It was because one of your your friends
Speaker 2: said like, oh, you're really good at listening to people
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: My friends, my friends don't My friends don't like to
Speaker 3: talk to me about things going on in their lives.
Speaker 3: They don't trust me with that stuff.
Speaker 2: Why is that because they're afraid you're gonna say it
Speaker 2: on the radio.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think that. I just I don't think
Speaker 3: they respect me.
Speaker 2: Like what's the what's the balance there?
Speaker 3: So art, I know this is a serious question. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to fuck with you. This is not
Speaker 3: got your thing? All right? So so what like, what
Speaker 3: do you think I don't know, like in the practice
Speaker 3: of talking to people about stuff, what do you think
Speaker 3: I need to know that I don't know that makes
Speaker 3: this bad?
Speaker 2: Hmmm? I think honestly, ah, well, you know, I just
Speaker 2: kind of reverse my own thought. I think that people
Speaker 2: feel the nice thing about you, I guess here's you're
Speaker 2: a shit sandwich. The nice thing about you is that
Speaker 2: people feel like they develop a relationship with you, because honestly,
Speaker 2: the relationship is the key, you know, thing to change
Speaker 2: or creating things, and so people they know you help
Speaker 2: to build comfortability as well as being detached from them.
Speaker 2: I think the other piece of that is is, Okay,
Speaker 2: they listen to you and they think they know you,
Speaker 2: and at the same time you don't know what the
Speaker 2: fuck you're doing, which you know can on occasion. I
Speaker 2: think if anything, it's like, okay, well, you know, it's
Speaker 2: a good release. Yeah. And there's the other part of
Speaker 2: the shit sandwich that's good is you know, at least
Speaker 2: you can give them that out. But it's just a
Speaker 2: I think I think you're doing great.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I can tell me the damn it art, don't
Speaker 3: I want the truth?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: I get people coming into your all time telling me things.
Speaker 3: I want the truth.
Speaker 4: Art.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be at work when I'm trying
Speaker 2: to relax. I don't want to listen to to people's
Speaker 2: problems outside of my job, you know. That's that's that's
Speaker 2: why I don't do. That's my things. And you know,
Speaker 2: there are brow the criticisms of like, yeah, you know
Speaker 2: you don't entirely know what you're doing and you're doing
Speaker 2: don't great service.
Speaker 3: They But here's the thing. Use the thing I've been thinking, well,
Speaker 3: i've been thinking I part of me and I I I.
Speaker 3: I try to set this up where it's more so
Speaker 3: you can talk to a gecko about anything. And it's
Speaker 3: almost a little bit more journalistic than it is therapistic,
Speaker 3: because sometimes people just call in and you know, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be the advice guy. I don't
Speaker 3: want to be.
Speaker 2: Does it feel like voyeurism, Yes, it is.
Speaker 3: It's well it's voyeurism for me and for everyone watching.
Speaker 3: And I think that in the process of, you know,
Speaker 3: explaining themselves, that people do get some kind of a
Speaker 3: relief because maybe they're explaining something that they haven't gotten
Speaker 3: the chance to explain to anyone else in their personal life.
Speaker 3: And then we're just kind of sitting here listening. I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to you know, get I mean, I do
Speaker 3: sometimes just because it comes out of me, but I
Speaker 3: don't I'm not trying to give people advice advice. I'm
Speaker 3: mostly trying to just like ask them stuff about them,
Speaker 3: so more journalistically than therapistically. But also you could find
Speaker 3: a lot of examples of me not doing that and
Speaker 3: me just totally pretending to be a therapist.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, probably. But I think, you know, honestly, half
Speaker 2: the time, I feel like I don't know what I'm
Speaker 2: doing in my job, and I think.
Speaker 3: I, ah, okay, all right, so how are we in
Speaker 3: if you don't know what you're doing either.
Speaker 2: Well, because I'm actually trained it that I know what
Speaker 2: I'm doing, it just feel like I don't know what
Speaker 2: i'm doing it. You know, it's more inane.
Speaker 3: I said, I was trying to get you, but I
Speaker 3: said I got you.
Speaker 2: Just now you got me? You got me there? Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know, yeah, but I think you've experienced it yourself.
Speaker 2: I mean, someone will say something and it's like you
Speaker 2: almost have like that out of body experience where you're like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell to say to this,
Speaker 2: you know, And I've heard terrible, awful things and just
Speaker 2: very weird things, and you know, sometimes just saying that
Speaker 2: is the big thing. I think. I'm honestly, you know,
Speaker 2: if you want my opinion, I have no idea if
Speaker 2: you've ever considered going to school for it or anything
Speaker 2: like that. But you know, from what I've heard, you
Speaker 2: do a pretty decent job. You'd consider it with little
Speaker 2: more training. But you know, you did pretty well for yourself,
Speaker 2: I imagine, And this is fine, and people are interested
Speaker 2: in you know, people, I think, I think that's a
Speaker 2: little I don't know. That feels a little gross to me.
Speaker 2: But you know, if if it's the if it is
Speaker 2: a getting a person into therapy, then great, if that's there.
Speaker 3: You know what, tell me why it feels gross to you.
Speaker 2: I think in a lot of ways, it's just kind
Speaker 2: of like getting like getting off on other people's things.
Speaker 2: You know. It's a lot like Gosip and ship like that.
Speaker 2: I say, why people like gospel and things I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not the biggest you know. It's just one of
Speaker 2: those things. It's that's my personal opinion.
Speaker 3: But I respect that.
Speaker 2: Right well, you know, But again, at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, looking for criticism for criticism sake, not it
Speaker 2: the biggest thing. I just don't want to be reminded
Speaker 2: of work.
Speaker 4: What is.
Speaker 2: Oh? I made some pasta. I made it a nice
Speaker 2: pasta and brought Veronica has some flowers and this is
Speaker 2: what she uh show she what she gives back? Art?
Speaker 3: Tell all right, tell me this art?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: When you and somebody says something to you, and you
Speaker 3: and you're real and you're you know, fancy, Oh okay, no,
Speaker 3: I'm just fucking with you. When someone says something real
Speaker 3: to you, uh, something, you don't know what to say
Speaker 3: to them? What do you say? What do you how
Speaker 3: do you deal with that?
Speaker 2: And honest would be like probably like you know, wow,
Speaker 2: I don't really know what to say to that, and
Speaker 2: just be honest with them. I mean, it's really comes
Speaker 2: down that field, right, You're feeling it out and like
Speaker 2: usually whatever you're feeling is what the other person is
Speaker 2: feeling the room. And a lot of the time, you know,
Speaker 2: with that, if they're telling you something, you know, like
Speaker 2: I mean, just having someone say like wow, that's fucked
Speaker 2: up or wow, that's you know, a lot just being
Speaker 2: that because they expect everybody to look at you for answers,
Speaker 2: and they expect everybody to be like, you know, oh
Speaker 2: you know this, or people do go I mean, that's
Speaker 2: that's a lot of the time why we don't go
Speaker 2: to friends for therapy because I mean, for one, there
Speaker 2: can't be impartial. But for two, they're going to try
Speaker 2: to tell you what to do, you know, and it's
Speaker 2: a lot like it's a lot like when your doctor
Speaker 2: needs or tells you you need to go work out, right,
Speaker 2: you might go work out for three days and then
Speaker 2: after that you're like, ah, I fuck that, it didn't
Speaker 2: really work. Unless you truly believe you need to work out,
Speaker 2: you're not going to do it right. Just like, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's that's empathy and sympathy, right, Like, if we're down
Speaker 2: in a hole together and I can know how I
Speaker 2: would get out of the hole, it might not be
Speaker 2: the same as how you get out of the whole.
Speaker 2: That's how I get out of the hole. I can
Speaker 2: rather than just being like, wow, hey, I'll be down
Speaker 2: on this hole with you together, but you have to
Speaker 2: figure out how to get out of this hole on
Speaker 2: your own.
Speaker 3: I like it. That makes sense. Well, that makes sense
Speaker 3: considering that people are wired very differently to how they
Speaker 3: want to solve their problems and in terms of what
Speaker 3: works for them.
Speaker 2: I mean, we could we could get into a whole
Speaker 2: discussion on why you know, I feel my personal opinions
Speaker 2: on different theories of therapy and like, you know, fuck
Speaker 2: solution focused therapy. You're just giving me.
Speaker 3: So listen, what do you think is wrong with me
Speaker 3: just as a person.
Speaker 2: As a person as a person.
Speaker 3: Well, from what you've heard, I think that.
Speaker 2: Well, for one, Veronica likes you too much, which is
Speaker 2: an issue. But the other thing really is I think that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just gives me a little I mean, I imagine it started.
Speaker 2: I just don't know what you get out of this,
Speaker 2: and it kind of that kind of freaks me out
Speaker 2: a little bit, you know, No, imagine do you think
Speaker 2: I know?
Speaker 3: But do you think I have like sin?
Speaker 2: Did you get off on it? That's great? No, I
Speaker 2: don't think that. But I mean ignorance is just as
Speaker 2: bad of a thing as you know, bad intentions, right.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, all right. But outside of all this, like
Speaker 3: like me as a part like forget about my Gecko show? Like,
Speaker 3: what do you think like along with me as a guy? O?
Speaker 2: You you live in your mom's basement?
Speaker 3: No not, I lived in my mom's basements, uh for
Speaker 3: like a year and a half. I don't anymore.
Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with that. I think, you know, I think
Speaker 2: you're looking for meaning and everybody else and not able
Speaker 2: to find meaning for yourself.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, that's very interesting. I'm looking for meaning and
Speaker 3: everyone else and not able to find meaning in myself. Interesting.
Speaker 3: Where do you think? What? What has what has led
Speaker 3: you to that belief?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean look at what you do, right, I
Speaker 2: mean you are looking at everybody else constant?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah?
Speaker 2: And I mean do you give yourself time for introspection?
Speaker 2: Do you ever, you know, allow yourself good for you? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm always I'm always thinking about why I do
Speaker 3: the I'm always thinking about why I do the things
Speaker 3: I do and because I because I really do feel
Speaker 3: as though I live in like this infinite universe of
Speaker 3: infinite possibilities and infinite happiness as well as infinite depression
Speaker 3: and sorrow, and there's at all times infinite decisions I
Speaker 3: could make, And it's like in all that infinite See,
Speaker 3: why do I make the decisions that I make? I
Speaker 3: think about that every day.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That sounds super overwhelming, right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How do I do it? Well? How do you deal
Speaker 2: with that? I mean you much feel stuck and in
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, it sounds like one way is
Speaker 2: figuring out how everybody else does it? Right?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that is a part. It's funny you say that,
Speaker 3: because that is a part of this. I have one
Speaker 3: of my biggest problems in my life as I'm very indecisive,
Speaker 3: and I'll ask I'll go and I'll ask everyone's opinion
Speaker 3: on things, Like I'll ask all my friends and my
Speaker 3: parents and my you know, just anyone close to me.
Speaker 3: Like anytime I have like a life thing or whatever,
Speaker 3: I'm very indecisive, so I'll always ask other people. And
Speaker 3: maybe this is like a version of that, like I'm
Speaker 3: looking at other people's stuff to get a better idea
Speaker 3: of my own stuff. And maybe that's also a little
Speaker 3: bit what the listener gets out of it too, of
Speaker 3: like you know, they they're they're learning a little bit
Speaker 3: about how they feel or their unmeaning of things to
Speaker 3: other people.
Speaker 2: Giving me I will say that, you know, that's a
Speaker 2: very big piece of what I do. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: the only person in the room who is the expert
Speaker 2: on you, is you right? Yeah? I know I have
Speaker 2: like some education or whatever, but you know, and I
Speaker 2: think in a lot of ways, me helping people figure
Speaker 2: it out helps me figure it out, just like you
Speaker 2: helping people figure it out helps you figure it out.
Speaker 2: Which is a kind of hard, like I mean, it's
Speaker 2: a it's a hard place to be. And I think
Speaker 2: you know, life is shitty and we there isn't really
Speaker 2: much of a meaning to anything, which gives meaning to everything,
Speaker 2: but figuring that out for yourself, or figuring out what
Speaker 2: gives you whatever it is is. I mean, say you
Speaker 2: woke up tomorrow and everything was perfect and you were
Speaker 2: feeling fantastic. What would that look like?
Speaker 3: Well? Can I well, actually, this kind of seg this
Speaker 3: segues me into what I wanted to ask you just now,
Speaker 3: because you said that life is shitty. You asked me, well,
Speaker 3: how I would feel if everything was perfect? I truly believe,
Speaker 3: I actually believe, really in my gut that everything right now,
Speaker 3: in this moment, as it is, is already perfect. It's
Speaker 3: already perfect. And my biggest my problem does not lie
Speaker 3: in I need to change and shift external circumstances to
Speaker 3: make things even more perfect. My problem lies eternally in
Speaker 3: my own perspective of being able to constantly consistently see
Speaker 3: those perfect things for what they are. I mean, just
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not even talking about like my life specifically,
Speaker 3: I'm talking about like having arms and legs and a
Speaker 3: cup of clean water and shit like that's perfect as
Speaker 3: it is. And I feel like it's my issue that
Speaker 3: I can't see that and be just happy for that.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you something you said that you
Speaker 3: you said just now that life is shitty. Why do
Speaker 3: you think life is shitty? Do you really believe that?
Speaker 2: I don't think I necessarily really believe that, but I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people believe that. And I think
Speaker 2: that you know, the piece of it is and this
Speaker 2: isn't me as a therapist, is it's just me as a person,
Speaker 2: But I think that you know, a big piece of
Speaker 2: it is. Everything is pretty much based on your own experience.
Speaker 2: How you how when something happens to you or you know,
Speaker 2: and that same thing happens to somebody else, you're going
Speaker 2: to respond in too entirely different ways, right, just like
Speaker 2: you know, being trying to be thankful that, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: we are pretty lucky to live in a place where
Speaker 2: we have running water and a roof over our heads
Speaker 2: and all of these things, you know, and you still
Speaker 2: have your own problems, right, I mean, at the at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, the only one that feels
Speaker 2: what you feel and goes through what you go through
Speaker 2: is you, and it's really just how you two to
Speaker 2: deal with it or not deal with it, right, because well,
Speaker 2: maybe the show is just a big roundabout way to
Speaker 2: not have to deal with your things and hope that
Speaker 2: it magically comes to you.
Speaker 3: I don't know, are you talking about again? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: talking about you again, So it is. It is, So
Speaker 3: I'll answer that it is a way to not think
Speaker 3: about my problems. I'm when I'm doing my stream and
Speaker 3: recording my thing, it's three hours where I'm not thinking
Speaker 3: about my problems because I'm thinking about other people's problems.
Speaker 3: But I don't think that's any different from like if
Speaker 3: I was like a fucking if. I like to sew,
Speaker 3: and I don't feel like because I'm not thinking of
Speaker 3: my own problems because I'm present in the moment of
Speaker 3: what I'm doing. That's why I'm not thinking about other people.
Speaker 3: That's all. I'm not thinking about problems, not even because
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about other people's stuff. I feel like that
Speaker 3: because I'm just present with what I'm doing because I
Speaker 3: have to be, because that's how you have a conversation
Speaker 3: with someone is to actually be in it. And when
Speaker 3: I'm not doing this I'm back again staring at the infinite.
Speaker 3: When I was talking about earlier, the infiniteness of life
Speaker 3: in the universe, and I could make any single decision,
Speaker 3: I could make any possible decision at all. But here,
Speaker 3: as I'm talking to you, I'm not thinking about that,
Speaker 3: just thinking about what's right in front of me, which
Speaker 3: is talking to you and trying to do this podcast well.
Speaker 3: So that that, I would say, is the big thing
Speaker 3: that I get out of it in terms of, you know,
Speaker 3: the avoidance of my own problems. But you could say
Speaker 3: that about fucking playing basketball. You know, you're you're focusing
Speaker 3: on the game.
Speaker 2: I think it's important for you and me for that matter,
Speaker 2: to recognize, Okay, I might be escaping my own reality
Speaker 2: in when I'm doing this or when i'm you know,
Speaker 2: when I'm working or something like that, but you're still
Speaker 2: bringing you I mean, that's that's the important thing. And
Speaker 2: you know I'm not condoning what you do, but I
Speaker 2: will say that if you're going to continue doing it,
Speaker 2: bring yourself trying to bring yourself to it.
Speaker 3: What do you what do you mean? Yeah, just now,
Speaker 3: when you just now, when you said, whatever you're doing,
Speaker 3: you're bringing you to it. What do you tell me
Speaker 3: what you mean by that? And tell me what you
Speaker 3: mean by I should bring myself.
Speaker 2: I mean, don't be somebody for anybody else. The reason
Speaker 2: why you're good at what you do or the reason
Speaker 2: why people listen to you is because they're seeing you
Speaker 2: or they're saying a version of you. But you know,
Speaker 2: I think that to truly bring you to that, bring
Speaker 2: in that existential ship, bring in that stuff that you're
Speaker 2: scared of, you know, look into that. Add add to it,
Speaker 2: throw your own well heot your motives in there, right,
Speaker 2: because I mean I think you probably have them, you
Speaker 2: just aren't acknowledging them, or you're don't want to see them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: of trying to figure out how to enjoy just living
Speaker 2: and the things that you have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's that's all the I mean, that's all
Speaker 3: the ship I was was just talking about. I want
Speaker 3: to know from you. Yeah, Art is you know art
Speaker 3: or ants.
Speaker 2: Art like Arthur.
Speaker 3: Art, Arthur it is it is, it is your real name,
Speaker 3: Arthur Art art. Forget. I asked that question, what is
Speaker 3: the what is your meaning? What is your personal meaning
Speaker 3: of life? Why do you do what you do?
Speaker 2: Why do I do what I do? I think because
Speaker 2: I'm good at it. I don't particularly love what I do.
Speaker 2: I like what I do. I think it by what
Speaker 2: I did, I would take it home with me, and
Speaker 2: I don't want to have to take it home with
Speaker 2: me until I have to talk to you on the
Speaker 2: phone on a Friday night. But no offense this is
Speaker 2: that was more of a jab a b.
Speaker 3: But I appreciate Brian eating you on the phone this
Speaker 3: long because I know that you don't want to be here.
Speaker 3: But I'm enjoying talking.
Speaker 2: To you, no, I I am.
Speaker 3: And you know what art I think. I think a
Speaker 3: small part of you is enjoying talking to me too.
Speaker 3: But anyway, you were saying, you don't like what you do,
Speaker 3: but you love But you don't love what you do,
Speaker 3: but you.
Speaker 2: Like it, Yeah, because you know, I think at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, you're gonna have good days and
Speaker 2: bad days, and it's really just you know how you
Speaker 2: deal with it. I mean, the job is the job
Speaker 2: is a job at the end of the day. But
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I think I'm good at what
Speaker 2: I do. I think that that really helps. But I
Speaker 2: don't know, It's just kind of one of those things
Speaker 2: you lean into it I guess for me, nothing really,
Speaker 2: I'm very in the same boat. Nothing really feels like
Speaker 2: it matters, so everything kind of matters.
Speaker 5: Yeah, uh, if you could be doing let me ask you,
Speaker 5: if you could be doing anything, if you could literally
Speaker 5: just wave a magic wand and you could get paid
Speaker 5: to do anything at all, what is it that you
Speaker 5: would do?
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe just read books, not really any
Speaker 2: job in particular. I'm very lazy, I will say, so,
Speaker 2: really not a whole lot. If I could read books
Speaker 2: and you know, just kind of hang out with my friends,
Speaker 2: if I was paid to do that, that'd be great.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, you wouldn't get like and get like bored after
Speaker 3: a while of don't you want like a challenge of
Speaker 3: some kind?
Speaker 2: Sometimes, you know, I will say that at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, I don't know if I'm going to
Speaker 2: be doing this job for my whole life and the
Speaker 2: rest of my life. I will say, there's a part
Speaker 2: of me that always wants to be doing it in
Speaker 2: some aspect because people are pretty amazing, as I'm sure
Speaker 2: you are well aware, and you know, even if I'm old,
Speaker 2: I mean, I've done you know, construction, I've done I
Speaker 2: was a farm hand, for years. I you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of physical labor and things things like that that
Speaker 2: are there's a lot of joy in that. You know,
Speaker 2: you get to see the fruit of your later labor,
Speaker 2: fruit of your fit, of your of the loom. This
Speaker 2: is a a ad for underwear art.
Speaker 3: Do you have you know?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 3: Do you have a therapist?
Speaker 2: I do? I do?
Speaker 3: What do you so when you go to therapy? What
Speaker 3: do you typically talk to your therapist about?
Speaker 2: Probably my anxiety. I've got pretty bad general anxiety and
Speaker 2: a little bit of trauma mixed in there. But I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: just mostly how I deal with it and dealing with
Speaker 2: like shame and just the general emotions. You know, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of ship like that that comes.
Speaker 3: Up when when you when when you when you have
Speaker 3: a client who comes in and they want to talk
Speaker 3: about shame and anxiety? Do you think that, like your
Speaker 3: personal experience with it and the fact that you like
Speaker 3: still deal with it, does that make you better for
Speaker 3: you or maybe even worse? I don't know, Like, how
Speaker 3: does that affect the way that you talk to them
Speaker 3: about it?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't necessarily say worse. I think it's interesting because
Speaker 2: you know, I like to think of it like I said,
Speaker 2: you're the expert on you, right, And so it's a
Speaker 2: collaborative approach. And so essentially I do my job is
Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna be walking down a hallway together.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of different doors we can go into
Speaker 2: or not go into, and it's really up to you
Speaker 2: where you go. But to better understand things like shame
Speaker 2: and anxiety, I try to help people create their own
Speaker 2: definitions of those, right, Like, that's one of the very
Speaker 2: first things I do. It's like, okay, well, what is
Speaker 2: shame your body? What does anxiety feel like for you?
Speaker 2: What are each of these feelings, and how do we
Speaker 2: understand them? And then once we can do that, like,
Speaker 2: for instance, for shame, all shame is is when your
Speaker 2: needs aren't being met, but rather than looking at where
Speaker 2: they're not being met, you put it back on yourself
Speaker 2: for having those needs in the first place. Right, So
Speaker 2: if we can understand that, we can understand that shame
Speaker 2: is not only that, but it's also just a response
Speaker 2: to help us fit in and be around other people.
Speaker 2: Then how we can better use that and in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways, how I can better help my own
Speaker 2: myself understand that and create my own and better understanding it. Sorry,
Speaker 2: go ahead, no, no, you go ahead.
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask, when you talk through these things
Speaker 3: with your client, does does that help you? Unders Does
Speaker 3: that reinforce the ideas for you in a personal level?
Speaker 2: Sometimes certainly, But I mean the other the other thing
Speaker 2: about me is, at the end of the day, the
Speaker 2: really hard part, I would say the hardest part is
Speaker 2: I but with all my personal biases and all of
Speaker 2: these things, I can't judge the other person. And I
Speaker 2: will not judge the other person for telling me anything.
Speaker 2: A person could can literally tell me anything and I
Speaker 2: won't judge them. And I again have heard some awful, awful,
Speaker 2: awful things. But you know what, they're not there for judgment,
Speaker 2: They're not there for whatever. They're just there to talk.
Speaker 2: And yeah, sometimes it does help me continue to formulate
Speaker 2: my own formulate form my own opinions on things and
Speaker 2: all sorts of other stuff. But I think you know,
Speaker 2: it still is, at the end of the day, just
Speaker 2: two people in a room.
Speaker 3: When somebody tells you something really fuck Let's say somebody
Speaker 3: tells you they did something really fucked up. Because I
Speaker 3: also try and this is I don't want to declare
Speaker 3: things about myself because I'm always this is a goal
Speaker 3: I'm working towards and I think I'm pretty good at.
Speaker 3: Is also being like I feel like, especially in my
Speaker 3: personal life, people could tell me anything about themselves or
Speaker 3: about me, or about whatever or something they do, or
Speaker 3: just anything, and I won't judge them because I don't
Speaker 3: feel like it is a I like the phrase only
Speaker 3: I don't believe in I'm not religious, but I like
Speaker 3: the phrase only God can judge because even if there
Speaker 3: isn't a God, just the implication that it's not a
Speaker 3: mortal ability to judge. And so let me ask you this,
Speaker 3: when you're in your sessions, even if you don't say
Speaker 3: anything internally, do you form judgments about people that you
Speaker 3: have to fight against?
Speaker 2: Oh? Certainly, I mean I'm a person, right, But yeah,
Speaker 2: overtally I'm not going to judge them, and I have
Speaker 2: to kind of, you know, work it out to non
Speaker 2: I mean that's I mean, that's part of the training
Speaker 2: in and of itself too, right, is like you've got
Speaker 2: to be able to essentially create a face or a
Speaker 2: stonewall or whatever, you know, because the slightest thing or
Speaker 2: the slightest movement can say a lot about a person, right,
Speaker 2: body language tells so much more. But yeah, yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: certainly judge, but you know, it's my goal not to
Speaker 2: or at least not to show that or at least
Speaker 2: be open to that. But because I'm not going to
Speaker 2: judge them, I can't judge them. It's not my job
Speaker 2: to judge. It's my job to listen.
Speaker 3: Right, definitely.
Speaker 2: Be there, but yeah, you know, and I think like
Speaker 2: there's been things that I have literally only ever repeated
Speaker 2: to my therapist, and that's like the only time I
Speaker 2: will ever say that, you know, there's some stuff that's
Speaker 2: locked away, and that's I mean, that's I mean, I
Speaker 2: imagine you've heard the same thing, and they are some
Speaker 2: of them, and I think that you know, how you
Speaker 2: deal with it says a lot, and I think that's
Speaker 2: part of it. I don't like when I overhear Veronica
Speaker 2: listening to you, because it's you know, I have cultivated
Speaker 2: a pretty good amount of ways to be able to
Speaker 2: just leave work or work just as I imagined you do.
Speaker 2: It's almost like, you know, not to say you're two
Speaker 2: different people, but there's two different parts of you.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean you have to. Yeah, as soon
Speaker 3: as I'm I'm gonna forget about you as soon as
Speaker 3: we're off the phone easily.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
Speaker 3: No, Actually, I don't think i'll forget about you. I'll
Speaker 3: remember you when i'm thinking about uh, when I'm thinking
Speaker 3: about what calls I want to put in the podcast.
Speaker 3: So like that was a good call, you know what.
Speaker 2: I like.
Speaker 3: Here's how I think about this, all right. I've talked
Speaker 3: about this on the podcast before, is like, well, I'm
Speaker 3: on the phone with you right now, and this is
Speaker 3: this is to the point of leaving your work at work.
Speaker 3: So because I don't want to be insensitive, even if
Speaker 3: it is whatever, I'm on the phone with you right now.
Speaker 3: So in so in this moment I'm with I'm with you,
Speaker 3: we're talking. I know who I feel, uh, I feel
Speaker 3: like I feel a connection to you art over the phone.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: We we're we're talking, We're having a real conversation, like
Speaker 3: we're I'm feeling very present with you right now, and
Speaker 3: I feel like I can do that with anyone who
Speaker 3: calls into the show and then again and then. But
Speaker 3: in order to be able to do that, in order
Speaker 3: to be able to show up with the energy, to
Speaker 3: be able to be fully present in the moment that
Speaker 3: I am with the person, I have to be able
Speaker 3: to completely forget about them as soon as I'm not
Speaker 3: with them. But if I'm with you, i'm with you,
Speaker 3: and if I'm not with you, I'm not with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I I that's exactly the same thing
Speaker 2: I have to do, right, I mean, there's the things
Speaker 2: that you know, I would say compartmentalizing is the wrong word,
Speaker 2: but almost like looking at that, you know, I, if
Speaker 2: I'm with another client or whatever, I'm not gonna I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna remember what somebody's boyfriend's name is, or who
Speaker 2: their parent is or what they do or whatever. But
Speaker 2: then as soon as i'm with that person again, it
Speaker 2: immediately all comes back. I can't I can't really explain it,
Speaker 2: but it's like, oh, tell me about or whatever, and
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, yeah, no, how do you Oh yeah, certainly,
Speaker 2: But you know, I totally get that because there's just
Speaker 2: too many things at the end of the day to
Speaker 2: remember and again, we're just people, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's why I always forget people's names, because well,
Speaker 3: because I feel like names are the to I forget
Speaker 3: the name to make space for more important things, like
Speaker 3: you know, Felix and shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah Dukes the Cat, famous nineteen eighties.
Speaker 3: Felix the Cat, the famous nineteen eighty movie.
Speaker 2: No, I would say that, Yeah, it's very much, very
Speaker 2: very similar. Like I have had sessions where in the
Speaker 2: middle of it I will forget the person's name and
Speaker 2: I have had to be like, oh shit, okay, what
Speaker 2: am I? Okay, there they are again. But I think
Speaker 2: you know the other piece too. It is too truly listening.
Speaker 2: Isn't you know, thinking about how you're going to respond
Speaker 2: or whatever else. It's just listening, right, Because like if
Speaker 2: I was working with a couple, for instance, and they
Speaker 2: might be in an argument, A lot of people don't
Speaker 2: realize that two people in an argument pretty much if
Speaker 2: you're in a relationship, you both want the same thing.
Speaker 2: You're just really bad a communicating and to really listen,
Speaker 2: to really put yourself in charge of being like, Okay,
Speaker 2: the whole thing I want to get is I want
Speaker 2: this person to tell me what they're trying to tell me.
Speaker 2: I want to be able to attempt to repeat back
Speaker 2: to them what they're telling me before I formulate my response.
Speaker 3: Right, yes, exactly exactly, And it's fine. I think people
Speaker 3: think that that is like like, you're not adding anything
Speaker 3: when you're doing that, But I'm like, no, I'm doing
Speaker 3: that to show that I actually understood what you were saying,
Speaker 3: so that whatever it is I do add is based
Speaker 3: off of what you just told me and not just
Speaker 3: like a random fucking thing that makes it so that
Speaker 3: you just wasted your breath talking to me.
Speaker 2: Just now exactly it's exactly that you know. Oh and
Speaker 2: if you can do that, I think, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: it might feel like, you know, some people get annoyed
Speaker 2: with that, maybe, but you know, then you just do
Speaker 2: why they might be annoyed or like okay, well sorry,
Speaker 2: you might feel like you have to repeat yourself. Maybe
Speaker 2: they just don't feel listened to. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: little things, right.
Speaker 3: And then you just play on that in your life.
Speaker 2: Next.
Speaker 4: For me, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I thought about getting a docted, but that just sounds
Speaker 2: like a lot of work and a lot of debt.
Speaker 2: A lot of work and a lot of debt.
Speaker 3: No, No, I will get you a doctorate of getting ah,
Speaker 3: getting a doctorate. That does sound like a lot of work. Listen, Aunt,
Speaker 3: I just want you to know that if you ever
Speaker 3: want to like whatever you like, feel like you like
Speaker 3: a doctorate and what like in psychology probably ant. I
Speaker 3: just want you to know if you ever don't feel
Speaker 3: like going to more school, you can always go on
Speaker 3: the internet and pretend to be a therapist and nothing
Speaker 3: bad will ever happen to you.
Speaker 2: That's a really good point. I didn't really think about that.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, think about that before you go get
Speaker 3: the doctorate.
Speaker 2: Hi, Will, what's next for you?
Speaker 3: Well, my real answer is I like, I want to
Speaker 3: keep doing this podcast. I want to keep the podcast going.
Speaker 3: But I talked to well, I really enjoyed talking to
Speaker 3: you because you don't like me or know who I am,
Speaker 3: and that was fun, and so I wanted to do
Speaker 3: more of that, where like I go out in public
Speaker 3: in like foreign countries or wherever where people don't know
Speaker 3: who I am and I just am able to talk
Speaker 3: to them. So I guess more I do. I like
Speaker 3: doing phone calls, but I want to do more things
Speaker 3: that involve me talking to real human beings. Now that
Speaker 3: you're not a real human being, but people I can
Speaker 3: see and hear and smell and shit not a weird hair.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, sometimes it's a weird way and we
Speaker 2: can't judge yourself for that.
Speaker 3: But you said that, I mean, well I did.
Speaker 2: I did. It's okay to be a person. Well, I
Speaker 2: love that. What's your fake answer?
Speaker 3: My fake answer?
Speaker 2: He said, you want real answer? Playing?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't have a bit. I don't
Speaker 3: have a bit. I was going to try to do
Speaker 3: a bit about how I'm going to get a larger
Speaker 3: lily pad, and then I realized that was a thing
Speaker 3: and not a gecko thing, and I don't I don't
Speaker 3: have gecko bits. People do them to me all the time,
Speaker 3: and I don't know how to yes end them and
Speaker 3: be in them with like people will say, oh, are
Speaker 3: you on your way to the forest, or they don't
Speaker 3: say that this is something more funny. But I don't
Speaker 3: know how to I don't know how to be in that.
Speaker 3: I only know how to be. I'm Some people are
Speaker 3: considered themselves trapped in loops of irony, and I'm trapped
Speaker 3: in a loop of sincerity. I can't joke around anymore.
Speaker 3: I don't have I don't know how to do that.
Speaker 2: I think I don't know, dude, I think you're pretty
Speaker 2: good at it. I mean, you just don't take yourself
Speaker 2: too seriously, you're dressed is a gecko for God's sake. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the thing. You gotta remember yourself, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's that's that's part of it.
Speaker 3: But art do you? How do you feel about art?
Speaker 3: Do you feel like your feelings about me have changed
Speaker 3: the past forty minutes or do they stay exactly the same?
Speaker 3: And to please tell the truth.
Speaker 2: Oh, for sure, I like you as a person. I'm
Speaker 2: still not going to listen to you just simply because
Speaker 2: I don't want to. But no, I've been I've enjoyed
Speaker 2: talking to you. It's been great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've enjoyed talking to you too.
Speaker 2: I feel like I could have a beer with you,
Speaker 2: but you know it's you don't want that in a
Speaker 2: lot of people, So I think that's the other thing.
Speaker 2: It's Yeah, my biggest thing is yes, I've enjoyed talking
Speaker 2: with you, and I am going to continue not listening
Speaker 2: to you. But thanks for your time.
Speaker 3: See, this was perfect. This is like we said, we
Speaker 3: we enjoyed being in the moment with each other for
Speaker 3: forty minutes, and now we're going to go forget about
Speaker 3: each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much, that's all right. I agree, you know, Hey,
Speaker 2: thanks fans. What's your real name?
Speaker 3: My real name is Lyle Lyle.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks, Lyle or you know, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it too. Is there anything else you want to
Speaker 3: say to the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Good luck? Go feel your feelings. Well, don't let yourself
Speaker 2: feel and be you. It's hard, it's really hard, but
Speaker 2: just being open to it is the start.
Speaker 3: Thank you for calling in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a good one man, you too, Take care?
Speaker 3: Uh I that was that was you know, look, that
Speaker 3: was I I've been telling you guys, have been wanting
Speaker 3: to talk to somebody who disagreed with what I do.
Speaker 3: I'm really lucky. I'm really lucky that like most of
Speaker 3: the things that people say to me on the internet
Speaker 3: are nice and they like what I do. I've had
Speaker 3: real therapists tell me they like this podcast. But I
Speaker 3: want to talk to people. I want I want contradicting opinions.
Speaker 3: Throw them at me. Fuck it. I'll take on a challenge.
Speaker 3: I'll admit when I'm wrong. I'll admit if I'm doing something.
Speaker 3: I don't think i'm doing something dangerous. I think, like
Speaker 3: I said, I'm trying to do it with more journalistic
Speaker 3: intentions than therapy e intentions. But I throw that away
Speaker 3: all the time. I'll get off of a phone call
Speaker 3: or I'll listen to a phone call that I had back,
Speaker 3: and I'll be like, fuck, I really was just pretending
Speaker 3: to be a therapist there. But I'll also be listening
Speaker 3: back and I'll be like, you know, I didn't say
Speaker 3: anything that I don't believe in. I'll totally say things
Speaker 3: that I'm hypocritical about, where I'll tell someone you should
Speaker 3: go do that, and I'll you know, not do that,
Speaker 3: but I but then I'll but then I'll think, well,
Speaker 3: when I'm not doing the thing I told the other
Speaker 3: person should do, I'll think to myself, man, I should
Speaker 3: do that. It's like if somebody It's like if I
Speaker 3: told somebody to eat healthy and then I went and
Speaker 3: got those new Nerds gummy clusters where it's the little
Speaker 3: clusters of Nerds ropes, and while I'm eating those, I'll think, man,
Speaker 3: I told the other I hope the other person is
Speaker 3: doing that because I'm not doing it and I really
Speaker 3: should be doing it. Anyway. Thank you to Aunt thinking
Speaker 3: of Ironica. I totally forgot about Veronica. I hope she's
Speaker 3: doing good. We did it. Fake therapist to real therapist. Hello, what.
Speaker 2: Hi?
Speaker 3: No, what's going on? Man?
Speaker 4: No? No way, Oh my god, that's going dude.
Speaker 3: You've seen you sound like you have just been in
Speaker 3: the desert for a month and you'll finally found society.
Speaker 3: And I guess maybe you were in a proverbial phone
Speaker 3: call desert. You were calling and calling and calling, with
Speaker 3: no sign of any human being to ever be on
Speaker 3: the other side of the phone. And now one is so,
Speaker 3: what is your name? Will?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Will? How how can I get you today? What's going on?
Speaker 2: Oh? My god?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm sorry. I gotta collect myself a little.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find my notepad you had.
Speaker 3: You had a note pad you wrote notes for this. Okay, great, No.
Speaker 1: No, no, I I need information from you, Lyle.
Speaker 3: What information do you need?
Speaker 1: I'm too lazy to do this on my own, but
Speaker 1: I have and I've taught. Oh my, can I like
Speaker 1: sidetrack really quickly? U?
Speaker 3: Sure you know what it's We haven't even begun any tracks,
Speaker 3: so your sidetrack would be okay, the main track at
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll just main track at this point because this
Speaker 1: is what I've been waiting for I've been.
Speaker 3: Trying throw me, throw me on whatever track you want.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to get in touch with you, Lyle,
Speaker 1: because I have I'm living with my parents, and I
Speaker 1: bought like a green screen last week, and I really
Speaker 1: want to start this like podcast. And I figured, but
Speaker 1: I don't want to like look up all those tutorials
Speaker 1: on YouTube on what stuff to buy. So I just
Speaker 1: thought i'd ask you because I know that you had
Speaker 1: to go through the same process, and I figured that'd
Speaker 1: be a cool way to christen. And in my own mind,
Speaker 1: you'd be like christening like me starting this whole process too,
Speaker 1: So that might be a big motivator for me.
Speaker 3: So you're telling me, and by the way, I've seen
Speaker 3: your call will, I've seen you in this queue every
Speaker 3: single stream I've done for the past three weeks, and
Speaker 3: today I decided to pick up. And so you're telling
Speaker 3: me that you were too lazy to Google search what
Speaker 3: equipment you need to start a podcast, but totally willing
Speaker 3: to call in to this show over five hundred times
Speaker 3: to get the same answer. I don't know if I
Speaker 3: would consider that. I mean, look, it's an inefficient way
Speaker 3: to do it, but I don't know if I would
Speaker 3: consider that laziness roundabout.
Speaker 1: Noess, for sure, I'm a big believer in.
Speaker 2: People.
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in doing things your own way.
Speaker 1: And this is just the way I wanted to do it,
Speaker 1: and I was able to put a good amount of
Speaker 1: work into the way I wanted.
Speaker 3: So listen, Well, I'm not going to tell you what
Speaker 3: equipment to get to your podcast, but I'm going to
Speaker 3: tell you this, it does not matter. Get whatever you
Speaker 3: can afford that has a microphone and do it. You
Speaker 3: could go and record your podcast on your iPhone and
Speaker 3: that would be fine. Okay. I'm I'm going out and
Speaker 3: doing vlogs and filming shit and everything, and I'm I'm
Speaker 3: using an iPhone so you can all you can write
Speaker 3: down in your notebook is, uh, whatever I can afford. Okay,
Speaker 3: I've seen people spend just wasteful amounts of money. I
Speaker 3: mean the facts to me. Will listen, the fact that
Speaker 3: you have spent three weeks you still haven't started the podcast.
Speaker 1: Correct, I have an episode out, you have.
Speaker 3: An Okay, so you've started the podcast.
Speaker 1: Well, I started it my senior year and then I
Speaker 1: went to college and I started my senior in high school,
Speaker 1: and then I went to college and I really didn't
Speaker 1: like it. Now I'm back and now I want to
Speaker 1: just do my podcast.
Speaker 3: Okay, don't do the Okay, people this, I see this
Speaker 3: happen to people all the time. They obsess and freak
Speaker 3: out over the type of equipment to use, and it
Speaker 3: stops them from just recording the damn episode or filming
Speaker 3: the damn video or whatever it is they want to do.
Speaker 3: Just go and make the thing and don't worry about
Speaker 3: what equipment you're using.
Speaker 1: Hmm, Okay, I'll write that down.
Speaker 3: Write that down. Is that truly it? Well, you seemed
Speaker 3: so excited. I'm I'm I feel like there's got to
Speaker 3: be more of this.
Speaker 1: Well, No, I don't want to like force anything, because
Speaker 1: you know, I like, I've just been listening to you
Speaker 1: for for like a long time. Like I'm almost like
Speaker 1: I still have like a ever since you started putting
Speaker 1: out more podcast episodes, I've been trying hard to keep up,
Speaker 1: but I'm almost listening to all your podcast episodes now.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've just been obsessed with you, dude for
Speaker 1: like over a year. Now, I just think you're great.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Well, Okay, how about this? What what's
Speaker 3: your podcast about?
Speaker 1: It's I told I told stage like so many times,
Speaker 1: this is like non promotional, So I'd like, I'll stay
Speaker 1: I'll like, I'll stay true to stage. I don't want
Speaker 1: to like, I like. That's what I was afraid of.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to sound like I was.
Speaker 3: Well, I will listen. Well, I'm not asking well, I'm
Speaker 3: not asking you for what the Instagram page is. I
Speaker 3: just what's the podcast about? What are you trying to make.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make a bug podcast.
Speaker 3: You're trying to make a bug podcast? Are you calling bugs?
Speaker 3: Are you talking about bugs? Are you? What are you
Speaker 3: doing with bugs on this podcast?
Speaker 1: Well, because I'd like, I've I've listened to a lot
Speaker 1: of podcasts in high school and I'm a big true
Speaker 1: crime fan and I still am. But I I've like
Speaker 1: listened to like a good handful of podcasts, and I
Speaker 1: realized that for all of like it's, I feel like
Speaker 1: it's very gen z and maybe a little past that
Speaker 1: for people to just have like a common interest in
Speaker 1: like bugs and to like bugs. And I realized that
Speaker 1: there's no like real someone doing it on their own
Speaker 1: bug podcasts, like on Spotify, or like any bugs thing
Speaker 1: for that matter on Spotify.
Speaker 3: So I do you personally like bugs?
Speaker 2: I'm not crazy about them, but I've worked.
Speaker 3: I worked. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, Okay.
Speaker 3: So you're telling me that you don't really care that
Speaker 3: much about bugs, but you want to start a podcast
Speaker 3: and you're looking for a niche idea that nobody has
Speaker 3: done before. So you're going to force yourself to get
Speaker 3: into bugs so that you can have a niche podcast.
Speaker 1: I think me not being totally obsessed with bugs, I
Speaker 1: feel like in the in the like the outcome of
Speaker 1: like the episodes I put out, it's something about like
Speaker 1: the guy who isn't like totally crazy about what he's saying,
Speaker 1: but is giving out like factual information seems like someone
Speaker 1: that I would want to listen to. So I'm just
Speaker 1: going to be that guy. I guess.
Speaker 3: You want to make a bug podcast where the whole
Speaker 3: angle of it is that you could kind of take
Speaker 3: them or leave them.
Speaker 1: In like maybe not like surface level people don't see that,
Speaker 1: but like in in a way, you know, how.
Speaker 3: Do you know any how do you do you? What
Speaker 3: would you even talk about? Do you even know anything
Speaker 3: about bugs?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: I did one episode, and I made it about the
Speaker 1: stink bug and I wrote down like a bunch of
Speaker 1: notes and I put it out and then me and
Speaker 1: like and then just I just had like my high
Speaker 1: school friends would just like be like, yo, like when's
Speaker 1: next episode coming out? Because then I kind of like
Speaker 1: dropped it, like I haven't posted in, like I haven't
Speaker 1: put out the episode.
Speaker 3: And okay, I haven't put out so so okay. So
Speaker 3: the stink Bug episode, did you what did you talk about?
Speaker 3: Did you like research stink bugs and give stink bug facts?
Speaker 3: Did you bring on a stink bug excer expert and
Speaker 3: interview them? Did you tell personal stories about your relationship
Speaker 3: with stink bugs?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: What? What? What exactly was the podcast?
Speaker 1: So my format for the stink bug episode was uh uh,
Speaker 1: it was take it through stink bug life cycle, stink
Speaker 1: bug defence mechanisms. I'm pretty they don't really have them.
Speaker 1: Stink bugs are pretty like it was like stink bug
Speaker 1: life cycle kind of like they're like like they're one
Speaker 1: two just like their like whole like bodies and like
Speaker 1: how like you know each like function, you know, hibernation
Speaker 1: like infestations general, And then it went to stink bug
Speaker 1: historical event which was in two thousand and nine when
Speaker 1: all these stink bugs were attacking apple orchards and it
Speaker 1: costs like millions upon like it costs like over a million,
Speaker 1: maybe over five million dollars for apple orchard farmers, and
Speaker 1: a town's mayor called the bug the bug from Hell.
Speaker 1: And that was in like the caption of like the
Speaker 1: description of the video, which I thought was funny. And
Speaker 1: then how to kill stink bugs and how to prevent
Speaker 1: infestations because they're really common, especially in winter, And that
Speaker 1: was the format for that episode.
Speaker 3: And you don't even like bugs, Well.
Speaker 1: Well here's the well I got really amped up on that.
Speaker 1: Like I got really amped up for that episode. And
Speaker 1: that's why that's why I'm back here now because I
Speaker 1: feel like with your you know this this exchange, I
Speaker 1: could gain a lot from this exchange, and I think
Speaker 1: I could get back to that.
Speaker 3: Okay, here's what I Here's here's what i'll Here's what
Speaker 3: I'll say to you before we go. Will Is I
Speaker 3: want you to imagine, uh see, I'm not what I'm
Speaker 3: afraid of for you is I'm afraid of this podcast
Speaker 3: becoming wildly successful, Like you're topping the Spotify charts, you're
Speaker 3: getting deals from major podcast networks, You're getting the foremost
Speaker 3: bug experts on your pod, and celebrities want to do it,
Speaker 3: and you know you have millions of YouTube subscribers. That's
Speaker 3: what I'm worried about, because then will I feel like
Speaker 3: you're going to be trapped in a life of researching
Speaker 3: and analyzing bugs you don't even feel strongly about, like
Speaker 3: the cool.
Speaker 1: Like when I started, I'll I won't hold you up
Speaker 1: for too long. I'll just add one more thing just
Speaker 1: when I started this whole thing, the like the original
Speaker 1: thought that I had in mind is this podcast is
Speaker 1: going to be alive as long as I'm alive. And
Speaker 1: I don't want to underestimate, you know, like I eat healthy,
Speaker 1: like I want to live for a long time, and
Speaker 1: so that will like by default, mean that this podcast
Speaker 1: will be a long will be around for a long time.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So I'm kind of just at my leisure
Speaker 1: with it, you know.
Speaker 3: Will I going to be okay? Well? Will I think?
Speaker 3: I think, to get to your main question, You're absolutely
Speaker 3: going to be fine. Whatever microphone you buy, I think
Speaker 3: you have what it takes to do this.
Speaker 1: Do I need a do I need a camera. I
Speaker 1: think when I had a visual ask, maybe I would
Speaker 1: defeat this. You know here, I'll let you go. I'll
Speaker 1: let someone else on the song.
Speaker 3: What's the name of the podcast? Promote the bug podcast?
Speaker 3: I want people to listen to it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to from I promise that you have to.
Speaker 3: You have to have like Saints New it doesn't matter,
Speaker 3: it doesn't I don't, I don't will. What's the name
Speaker 3: of your bug podcast?
Speaker 1: It's called bug Rast.
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 1: It's one word.
Speaker 2: It's b U g R.
Speaker 1: A s T bug rast.
Speaker 3: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: We I have a co host that hasn't made an appearance.
Speaker 2: You have a podcast host?
Speaker 1: Well, because he is at college. He's my good buddy, David.
Speaker 1: If you're listening, he's my good buddy. And uh, I
Speaker 1: can't remember, Like I think. We were just like going
Speaker 1: back and forth over the name, and we figured that
Speaker 1: bug Grass podcast is something that we both really liked,
Speaker 1: so we just named it bug Grass.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna go listen to your snink bug episode.
Speaker 4: It's no listen to it in two weeks.
Speaker 1: The first episode is so bad.
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm listening. I'm listening to it. It's too late. Well,
Speaker 3: thank you very much for calling.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, guest, have a great night.
Speaker 3: You know, one day I'm gonna I'm gonna be I
Speaker 3: wanna be a guest on the Bug the bug Grass podcast.
Speaker 3: I would love to be a guest on the bug
Speaker 3: Grass podcast. I don't know anything about bugs, but I
Speaker 3: feel like I know as much about bugs as both
Speaker 3: of those guys do. And here's why they're here. They're
Speaker 3: gonna be fine. And they're gonna be fine because they
Speaker 3: didn't let the whole thesis of that call. If we
Speaker 3: wanted to tribute something to it, it's about not letting
Speaker 3: minor things get in the way. You know, Will didn't
Speaker 3: have nice microphones. He didn't care. He wanted to start
Speaker 3: a podcast. Will doesn't know anything about bugs. He didn't care.
Speaker 3: He wanted to start a bug podcast. Will doesn't even
Speaker 3: like bugs, and he didn't let that stop him. So
Speaker 3: I think he's going to be completely FINEK goes on
Speaker 3: the line taking your phone.
Speaker 2: Calls every night. Never Bean goes.
Speaker 3: To his ride. He's teaching you cloud in the interview line,
Speaker 3: but he's not really an expert