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Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, is this a gg?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Who is this?

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Speaker 2: This is Veronica?

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Speaker 1: How you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good, Veronica. Listen. It says here that you

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Speaker 3: have a boyfriend that you're currently with right now, and

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Speaker 3: it says that he's a licensed therapist and that he

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Speaker 3: does not like my show.

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Speaker 2: That is absolutely correct. I'm looking at him and he's

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Speaker 2: not happy.

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Speaker 3: Calling okay, and can I talk to him? Because it

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Speaker 3: says you want me to talk to him so that

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Speaker 3: we can hash it out. And this is actually so

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Speaker 3: that I've been wanting to do for a long time.

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Speaker 3: And people have listened to the podcast for a long time. No,

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Speaker 3: I've been wanting to talk to somebody who does not

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Speaker 3: like me because there's I'm lucky enough that people come

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Speaker 3: on the phone and they're excited to talk to me,

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Speaker 3: But I want to experience what the opposite is like.

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Speaker 2: Well, here you go. Here's the thing. Is I listen

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Speaker 2: you all the time. He hates when I listen to you.

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Speaker 3: He can yeah, put me on the phone. Yeah, put

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Speaker 3: me on the phone with him. It means Art, okay, great, Hello, Hey,

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Speaker 3: what's up Art?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Just trying to enjoy another Friday night? How about you?

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Speaker 2: My friend?

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Speaker 3: Okay, am I just am I interrupting that goal?

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Speaker 2: No, No, it's it's not that. I I think it's more.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Veronica understands that I don't want to

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Speaker 2: work outside of work or be reminded of work outside

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Speaker 2: of work, which is why I don't like your show.

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Speaker 2: It's not necessarily a you thing, right, I mean to

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Speaker 2: be fair, I really know you or how you I

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Speaker 2: do things. I might overhear her and she's watching it

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Speaker 2: or something like that, and you know what, that's great.

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Speaker 2: You provide a really great needed service and stuff like

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Speaker 2: that that I want to know.

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Speaker 3: I wanted criticism. I want you to tell me how

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Speaker 3: much you hate me. I want you to tell Please

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Speaker 3: give me what you want to tell me. That tell

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Speaker 3: me your honest truth art, that's all I want. You

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Speaker 3: don't have to worry about offending, Just tell me the

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Speaker 3: honest truth.

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Speaker 2: I just don't. I don't think you know you should

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Speaker 2: be given advice without the training. That's the main thing.

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Speaker 2: That's the main thing. I mean, I guess it's not

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Speaker 2: really advice. Don't give it, you know, it's it's one

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Speaker 2: of those things. I think. You know. It's good that

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Speaker 2: you you can be a friend of these people, right,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes well, I know, I know it's good. You

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Speaker 2: can be a person that people can lean into, like

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Speaker 2: a therapist. But you know, what do you got? What

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Speaker 2: do you got just practiced? I mean usually it comes

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Speaker 2: down to people telling you like, hey, uh I you

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Speaker 2: know you lean into it, Like how did you get

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Speaker 2: into this? It was because one of your your friends

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Speaker 2: said like, oh, you're really good at listening to people

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Speaker 3: My friends, my friends don't My friends don't like to

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Speaker 3: They don't trust me with that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Why is that because they're afraid you're gonna say it

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think that. I just I don't think

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Speaker 2: Like what's the what's the balance there?

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Speaker 3: So art, I know this is a serious question. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to fuck with you. This is not

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Speaker 3: got your thing? All right? So so what like, what

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Speaker 3: of talking to people about stuff, what do you think

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Speaker 3: I need to know that I don't know that makes

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Speaker 2: Hmmm? I think honestly, ah, well, you know, I just

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Speaker 2: kind of reverse my own thought. I think that people

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Speaker 2: feel the nice thing about you, I guess here's you're

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Speaker 2: a shit sandwich. The nice thing about you is that

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Speaker 2: the relationship is the key, you know, thing to change

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Speaker 2: I think the other piece of that is is, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I think I think you're doing great.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I can tell me the damn it art, don't

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Speaker 3: I want the truth?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 3: I get people coming into your all time telling me things.

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Speaker 3: I want the truth.

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Speaker 4: Art.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be at work when I'm trying

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Speaker 2: there are brow the criticisms of like, yeah, you know

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Speaker 3: They But here's the thing. Use the thing I've been thinking, well,

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Speaker 3: I try to set this up where it's more so

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be the advice guy. I don't

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Speaker 2: Does it feel like voyeurism, Yes, it is.

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Speaker 3: It's well it's voyeurism for me and for everyone watching.

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Speaker 3: And I think that in the process of, you know,

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Speaker 3: And then we're just kind of sitting here listening. I'm

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, probably. But I think, you know, honestly, half

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Speaker 2: Well, because I'm actually trained it that I know what

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Speaker 3: I said, I was trying to get you, but I

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Speaker 2: Just now you got me? You got me there? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but you know, yeah, but I think you've experienced it yourself.

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Speaker 2: I mean, someone will say something and it's like you

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Speaker 2: almost have like that out of body experience where you're like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell to say to this,

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Speaker 2: you know, And I've heard terrible, awful things and just

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Speaker 2: if you want my opinion, I have no idea if

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Speaker 2: I imagine, And this is fine, and people are interested

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Speaker 2: I think in a lot of ways, it's just kind

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Speaker 2: You know. It's a lot like Gosip and ship like that.

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Speaker 2: I say, why people like gospel and things I don't.

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Speaker 3: But I respect that.

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Speaker 2: Right well, you know, But again, at the end of

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Speaker 2: what she uh show she what she gives back? Art?

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Speaker 3: Tell all right, tell me this art?

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Speaker 3: When you and somebody says something to you, and you

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Speaker 2: And honest would be like probably like you know, wow,

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Speaker 2: you're not going to do it right. Just like, I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's that's empathy and sympathy, right, Like, if we're down

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Speaker 2: the same as how you get out of the whole.

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Speaker 2: That's how I get out of the hole. I can

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Speaker 2: rather than just being like, wow, hey, I'll be down

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Speaker 2: on this hole with you together, but you have to

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Speaker 2: figure out how to get out of this hole on

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Speaker 3: I like it. That makes sense. Well, that makes sense

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Speaker 3: considering that people are wired very differently to how they

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Speaker 3: want to solve their problems and in terms of what

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Speaker 2: I mean, we could we could get into a whole

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Speaker 2: discussion on why you know, I feel my personal opinions

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Speaker 2: on different theories of therapy and like, you know, fuck

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Speaker 2: solution focused therapy. You're just giving me.

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Speaker 3: So listen, what do you think is wrong with me

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Speaker 2: I think it's important for you and me for that matter,

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Speaker 2: I mean, don't be somebody for anybody else. The reason

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Speaker 2: Why do I do what I do? I think because

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Speaker 3: But I appreciate Brian eating you on the phone this

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Speaker 3: And you know what art I think. I think a

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Speaker 2: really not a whole lot. If I could read books

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00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 2: and you know, just kind of hang out with my friends,

438
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: if I was paid to do that, that'd be great.

439
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, you wouldn't get like and get like bored after

440
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 3: a while of don't you want like a challenge of

441
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 3: some kind?

442
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 2: Sometimes, you know, I will say that at the end

443
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: of the day, I don't know if I'm going to

444
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: be doing this job for my whole life and the

445
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: rest of my life. I will say, there's a part

446
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 2: of me that always wants to be doing it in

447
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 2: some aspect because people are pretty amazing, as I'm sure

448
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: you are well aware, and you know, even if I'm old,

449
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,479
Speaker 2: I mean, I've done you know, construction, I've done I

450
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 2: was a farm hand, for years. I you know, a

451
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 2: lot of physical labor and things things like that that

452
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 2: are there's a lot of joy in that. You know,

453
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: you get to see the fruit of your later labor,

454
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: fruit of your fit, of your of the loom. This

455
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 2: is a a ad for underwear art.

456
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 3: Do you have you know?

457
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 4: What?

458
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 3: Do you have a therapist?

459
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: I do? I do?

460
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 3: What do you so when you go to therapy? What

461
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: do you typically talk to your therapist about?

462
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 2: Probably my anxiety. I've got pretty bad general anxiety and

463
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 2: a little bit of trauma mixed in there. But I think, yeah,

464
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: just mostly how I deal with it and dealing with

465
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: like shame and just the general emotions. You know, there's

466
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 2: a lot of ship like that that comes.

467
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 3: Up when when you when when you when you have

468
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 3: a client who comes in and they want to talk

469
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 3: about shame and anxiety? Do you think that, like your

470
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 3: personal experience with it and the fact that you like

471
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 3: still deal with it, does that make you better for

472
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 3: you or maybe even worse? I don't know, Like, how

473
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 3: does that affect the way that you talk to them

474
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 3: about it?

475
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: I wouldn't necessarily say worse. I think it's interesting because

476
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: you know, I like to think of it like I said,

477
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 2: you're the expert on you, right, And so it's a

478
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: collaborative approach. And so essentially I do my job is

479
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna be walking down a hallway together.

480
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: There's a lot of different doors we can go into

481
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 2: or not go into, and it's really up to you

482
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 2: where you go. But to better understand things like shame

483
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: and anxiety, I try to help people create their own

484
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: definitions of those, right, Like, that's one of the very

485
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: first things I do. It's like, okay, well, what is

486
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: shame your body? What does anxiety feel like for you?

487
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: What are each of these feelings, and how do we

488
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: understand them? And then once we can do that, like,

489
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 2: for instance, for shame, all shame is is when your

490
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: needs aren't being met, but rather than looking at where

491
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: they're not being met, you put it back on yourself

492
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: for having those needs in the first place. Right, So

493
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 2: if we can understand that, we can understand that shame

494
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: is not only that, but it's also just a response

495
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 2: to help us fit in and be around other people.

496
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 2: Then how we can better use that and in a

497
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: lot of ways, how I can better help my own

498
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 2: myself understand that and create my own and better understanding it. Sorry,

499
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: go ahead, no, no, you go ahead.

500
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask, when you talk through these things

501
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: with your client, does does that help you? Unders Does

502
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: that reinforce the ideas for you in a personal level?

503
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 2: Sometimes certainly, But I mean the other the other thing

504
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: about me is, at the end of the day, the

505
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: really hard part, I would say the hardest part is

506
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 2: I but with all my personal biases and all of

507
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: these things, I can't judge the other person. And I

508
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: will not judge the other person for telling me anything.

509
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: A person could can literally tell me anything and I

510
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 2: won't judge them. And I again have heard some awful, awful,

511
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 2: awful things. But you know what, they're not there for judgment,

512
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: They're not there for whatever. They're just there to talk.

513
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: And yeah, sometimes it does help me continue to formulate

514
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: my own formulate form my own opinions on things and

515
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 2: all sorts of other stuff. But I think you know,

516
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: it still is, at the end of the day, just

517
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: two people in a room.

518
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 3: When somebody tells you something really fuck Let's say somebody

519
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 3: tells you they did something really fucked up. Because I

520
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 3: also try and this is I don't want to declare

521
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: things about myself because I'm always this is a goal

522
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 3: I'm working towards and I think I'm pretty good at.

523
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: Is also being like I feel like, especially in my

524
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: personal life, people could tell me anything about themselves or

525
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: about me, or about whatever or something they do, or

526
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: just anything, and I won't judge them because I don't

527
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: feel like it is a I like the phrase only

528
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: I don't believe in I'm not religious, but I like

529
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: the phrase only God can judge because even if there

530
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: isn't a God, just the implication that it's not a

531
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 3: mortal ability to judge. And so let me ask you this,

532
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: when you're in your sessions, even if you don't say

533
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: anything internally, do you form judgments about people that you

534
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: have to fight against?

535
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: Oh? Certainly, I mean I'm a person, right, But yeah,

536
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: overtally I'm not going to judge them, and I have

537
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: to kind of, you know, work it out to non

538
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: I mean that's I mean, that's part of the training

539
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: in and of itself too, right, is like you've got

540
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: to be able to essentially create a face or a

541
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: stonewall or whatever, you know, because the slightest thing or

542
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: the slightest movement can say a lot about a person, right,

543
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: body language tells so much more. But yeah, yeah, I'll

544
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: certainly judge, but you know, it's my goal not to

545
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: or at least not to show that or at least

546
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: be open to that. But because I'm not going to

547
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: judge them, I can't judge them. It's not my job

548
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: to judge. It's my job to listen.

549
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 3: Right, definitely.

550
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: Be there, but yeah, you know, and I think like

551
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: there's been things that I have literally only ever repeated

552
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: to my therapist, and that's like the only time I

553
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: will ever say that, you know, there's some stuff that's

554
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: locked away, and that's I mean, that's I mean, I

555
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: imagine you've heard the same thing, and they are some

556
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: of them, and I think that you know, how you

557
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: deal with it says a lot, and I think that's

558
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: part of it. I don't like when I overhear Veronica

559
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: listening to you, because it's you know, I have cultivated

560
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: a pretty good amount of ways to be able to

561
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: just leave work or work just as I imagined you do.

562
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: It's almost like, you know, not to say you're two

563
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: different people, but there's two different parts of you.

564
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean you have to. Yeah, as soon

565
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: as I'm I'm gonna forget about you as soon as

566
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: we're off the phone easily.

567
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.

568
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 3: No, Actually, I don't think i'll forget about you. I'll

569
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: remember you when i'm thinking about uh, when I'm thinking

570
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 3: about what calls I want to put in the podcast.

571
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: So like that was a good call, you know what.

572
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: I like.

573
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 3: Here's how I think about this, all right. I've talked

574
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: about this on the podcast before, is like, well, I'm

575
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 3: on the phone with you right now, and this is

576
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: this is to the point of leaving your work at work.

577
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: So because I don't want to be insensitive, even if

578
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 3: it is whatever, I'm on the phone with you right now.

579
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: So in so in this moment I'm with I'm with you,

580
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 3: we're talking. I know who I feel, uh, I feel

581
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: like I feel a connection to you art over the phone.

582
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: You know.

583
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: We we're we're talking, We're having a real conversation, like

584
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: we're I'm feeling very present with you right now, and

585
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 3: I feel like I can do that with anyone who

586
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: calls into the show and then again and then. But

587
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 3: in order to be able to do that, in order

588
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: to be able to show up with the energy, to

589
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: be able to be fully present in the moment that

590
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: I am with the person, I have to be able

591
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 3: to completely forget about them as soon as I'm not

592
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: with them. But if I'm with you, i'm with you,

593
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: and if I'm not with you, I'm not with you.

594
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I I that's exactly the same thing

595
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: I have to do, right, I mean, there's the things

596
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: that you know, I would say compartmentalizing is the wrong word,

597
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: but almost like looking at that, you know, I, if

598
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: I'm with another client or whatever, I'm not gonna I'm

599
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: not gonna remember what somebody's boyfriend's name is, or who

600
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: their parent is or what they do or whatever. But

601
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: then as soon as i'm with that person again, it

602
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: immediately all comes back. I can't I can't really explain it,

603
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 2: but it's like, oh, tell me about or whatever, and

604
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, yeah, no, how do you Oh yeah, certainly,

605
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: But you know, I totally get that because there's just

606
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: too many things at the end of the day to

607
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: remember and again, we're just people, right.

608
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's why I always forget people's names, because well,

609
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 3: because I feel like names are the to I forget

610
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: the name to make space for more important things, like

611
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: you know, Felix and shit.

612
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah Dukes the Cat, famous nineteen eighties.

613
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: Felix the Cat, the famous nineteen eighty movie.

614
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: No, I would say that, Yeah, it's very much, very

615
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 2: very similar. Like I have had sessions where in the

616
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: middle of it I will forget the person's name and

617
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: I have had to be like, oh shit, okay, what

618
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: am I? Okay, there they are again. But I think

619
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: you know the other piece too. It is too truly listening.

620
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: Isn't you know, thinking about how you're going to respond

621
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: or whatever else. It's just listening, right, Because like if

622
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: I was working with a couple, for instance, and they

623
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 2: might be in an argument, A lot of people don't

624
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: realize that two people in an argument pretty much if

625
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: you're in a relationship, you both want the same thing.

626
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: You're just really bad a communicating and to really listen,

627
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 2: to really put yourself in charge of being like, Okay,

628
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: the whole thing I want to get is I want

629
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 2: this person to tell me what they're trying to tell me.

630
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: I want to be able to attempt to repeat back

631
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 2: to them what they're telling me before I formulate my response.

632
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 3: Right, yes, exactly exactly, And it's fine. I think people

633
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 3: think that that is like like, you're not adding anything

634
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: when you're doing that, But I'm like, no, I'm doing

635
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 3: that to show that I actually understood what you were saying,

636
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: so that whatever it is I do add is based

637
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: off of what you just told me and not just

638
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: like a random fucking thing that makes it so that

639
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: you just wasted your breath talking to me.

640
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: Just now exactly it's exactly that you know. Oh and

641
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 2: if you can do that, I think, you know, yeah,

642
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: it might feel like, you know, some people get annoyed

643
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: with that, maybe, but you know, then you just do

644
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: why they might be annoyed or like okay, well sorry,

645
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 2: you might feel like you have to repeat yourself. Maybe

646
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: they just don't feel listened to. There's a lot of

647
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: little things, right.

648
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: And then you just play on that in your life.

649
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 2: Next.

650
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 4: For me, I don't know.

651
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: I thought about getting a docted, but that just sounds

652
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: like a lot of work and a lot of debt.

653
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: A lot of work and a lot of debt.

654
00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: No, No, I will get you a doctorate of getting ah,

655
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: getting a doctorate. That does sound like a lot of work. Listen, Aunt,

656
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: I just want you to know that if you ever

657
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: want to like whatever you like, feel like you like

658
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 3: a doctorate and what like in psychology probably ant. I

659
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 3: just want you to know if you ever don't feel

660
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: like going to more school, you can always go on

661
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 3: the internet and pretend to be a therapist and nothing

662
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 3: bad will ever happen to you.

663
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: That's a really good point. I didn't really think about that.

664
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, think about that before you go get

665
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: the doctorate.

666
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: Hi, Will, what's next for you?

667
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: Well, my real answer is I like, I want to

668
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 3: keep doing this podcast. I want to keep the podcast going.

669
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: But I talked to well, I really enjoyed talking to

670
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: you because you don't like me or know who I am,

671
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 3: and that was fun, and so I wanted to do

672
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: more of that, where like I go out in public

673
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: in like foreign countries or wherever where people don't know

674
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 3: who I am and I just am able to talk

675
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 3: to them. So I guess more I do. I like

676
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: doing phone calls, but I want to do more things

677
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: that involve me talking to real human beings. Now that

678
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: you're not a real human being, but people I can

679
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: see and hear and smell and shit not a weird hair.

680
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: Well, you know, sometimes it's a weird way and we

681
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: can't judge yourself for that.

682
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 3: But you said that, I mean, well I did.

683
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 2: I did. It's okay to be a person. Well, I

684
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: love that. What's your fake answer?

685
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 3: My fake answer?

686
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: He said, you want real answer? Playing?

687
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't have a bit. I don't

688
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: have a bit. I was going to try to do

689
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 3: a bit about how I'm going to get a larger

690
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 3: lily pad, and then I realized that was a thing

691
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 3: and not a gecko thing, and I don't I don't

692
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 3: have gecko bits. People do them to me all the time,

693
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: and I don't know how to yes end them and

694
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 3: be in them with like people will say, oh, are

695
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 3: you on your way to the forest, or they don't

696
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 3: say that this is something more funny. But I don't

697
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 3: know how to I don't know how to be in that.

698
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 3: I only know how to be. I'm Some people are

699
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 3: considered themselves trapped in loops of irony, and I'm trapped

700
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 3: in a loop of sincerity. I can't joke around anymore.

701
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: I don't have I don't know how to do that.

702
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: I think I don't know, dude, I think you're pretty

703
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: good at it. I mean, you just don't take yourself

704
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: too seriously, you're dressed is a gecko for God's sake. Yeah,

705
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: that's the thing. You gotta remember yourself, right, I mean,

706
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: that's that's that's part of it.

707
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 3: But art do you? How do you feel about art?

708
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 3: Do you feel like your feelings about me have changed

709
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 3: the past forty minutes or do they stay exactly the same?

710
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: And to please tell the truth.

711
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: Oh, for sure, I like you as a person. I'm

712
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 2: still not going to listen to you just simply because

713
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: I don't want to. But no, I've been I've enjoyed

714
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:16,959
Speaker 2: talking to you. It's been great.

715
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've enjoyed talking to you too.

716
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: I feel like I could have a beer with you,

717
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: but you know it's you don't want that in a

718
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: lot of people, So I think that's the other thing.

719
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: It's Yeah, my biggest thing is yes, I've enjoyed talking

720
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 2: with you, and I am going to continue not listening

721
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 2: to you. But thanks for your time.

722
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 3: See, this was perfect. This is like we said, we

723
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: we enjoyed being in the moment with each other for

724
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 3: forty minutes, and now we're going to go forget about

725
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 3: each other.

726
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much, that's all right. I agree, you know, Hey,

727
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: thanks fans. What's your real name?

728
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: My real name is Lyle Lyle.

729
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 2: Well, thanks, Lyle or you know, I really appreciate it.

730
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 3: Appreciate it too. Is there anything else you want to

731
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: say to the people of the computer before we go?

732
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 4: Uh?

733
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: Good luck? Go feel your feelings. Well, don't let yourself

734
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: feel and be you. It's hard, it's really hard, but

735
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: just being open to it is the start.

736
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: Thank you for calling in.

737
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a good one man, you too, Take care?

738
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 3: Uh I that was that was you know, look, that

739
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 3: was I I've been telling you guys, have been wanting

740
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 3: to talk to somebody who disagreed with what I do.

741
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 3: I'm really lucky. I'm really lucky that like most of

742
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 3: the things that people say to me on the internet

743
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: are nice and they like what I do. I've had

744
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 3: real therapists tell me they like this podcast. But I

745
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: want to talk to people. I want I want contradicting opinions.

746
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: Throw them at me. Fuck it. I'll take on a challenge.

747
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 3: I'll admit when I'm wrong. I'll admit if I'm doing something.

748
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 3: I don't think i'm doing something dangerous. I think, like

749
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 3: I said, I'm trying to do it with more journalistic

750
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: intentions than therapy e intentions. But I throw that away

751
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: all the time. I'll get off of a phone call

752
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 3: or I'll listen to a phone call that I had back,

753
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: and I'll be like, fuck, I really was just pretending

754
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: to be a therapist there. But I'll also be listening

755
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 3: back and I'll be like, you know, I didn't say

756
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: anything that I don't believe in. I'll totally say things

757
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: that I'm hypocritical about, where I'll tell someone you should

758
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 3: go do that, and I'll you know, not do that,

759
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: but I but then I'll but then I'll think, well,

760
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 3: when I'm not doing the thing I told the other

761
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 3: person should do, I'll think to myself, man, I should

762
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: do that. It's like if somebody It's like if I

763
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: told somebody to eat healthy and then I went and

764
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,479
Speaker 3: got those new Nerds gummy clusters where it's the little

765
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 3: clusters of Nerds ropes, and while I'm eating those, I'll think, man,

766
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: I told the other I hope the other person is

767
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 3: doing that because I'm not doing it and I really

768
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,479
Speaker 3: should be doing it. Anyway. Thank you to Aunt thinking

769
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 3: of Ironica. I totally forgot about Veronica. I hope she's

770
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 3: doing good. We did it. Fake therapist to real therapist. Hello, what.

771
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 2: Hi?

772
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: No, what's going on? Man?

773
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 4: No? No way, Oh my god, that's going dude.

774
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 3: You've seen you sound like you have just been in

775
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 3: the desert for a month and you'll finally found society.

776
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 3: And I guess maybe you were in a proverbial phone

777
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 3: call desert. You were calling and calling and calling, with

778
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: no sign of any human being to ever be on

779
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 3: the other side of the phone. And now one is so,

780
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: what is your name? Will?

781
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 4: Yeah?

782
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 3: Will? How how can I get you today? What's going on?

783
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 2: Oh? My god?

784
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm sorry. I gotta collect myself a little.

785
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find my notepad you had.

786
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 3: You had a note pad you wrote notes for this. Okay, great, No.

787
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: No, no, I I need information from you, Lyle.

788
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 3: What information do you need?

789
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm too lazy to do this on my own, but

790
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: I have and I've taught. Oh my, can I like

791
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: sidetrack really quickly? U?

792
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 3: Sure you know what it's We haven't even begun any tracks,

793
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: so your sidetrack would be okay, the main track at

794
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 3: this point.

795
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll just main track at this point because this

796
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: is what I've been waiting for I've been.

797
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 3: Trying throw me, throw me on whatever track you want.

798
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: I've been trying to get in touch with you, Lyle,

799
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: because I have I'm living with my parents, and I

800
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: bought like a green screen last week, and I really

801
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: want to start this like podcast. And I figured, but

802
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to like look up all those tutorials

803
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: on YouTube on what stuff to buy. So I just

804
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: thought i'd ask you because I know that you had

805
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: to go through the same process, and I figured that'd

806
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: be a cool way to christen. And in my own mind,

807
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: you'd be like christening like me starting this whole process too,

808
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: So that might be a big motivator for me.

809
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: So you're telling me, and by the way, I've seen

810
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 3: your call will, I've seen you in this queue every

811
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 3: single stream I've done for the past three weeks, and

812
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: today I decided to pick up. And so you're telling

813
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: me that you were too lazy to Google search what

814
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 3: equipment you need to start a podcast, but totally willing

815
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 3: to call in to this show over five hundred times

816
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 3: to get the same answer. I don't know if I

817
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 3: would consider that. I mean, look, it's an inefficient way

818
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 3: to do it, but I don't know if I would

819
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 3: consider that laziness roundabout.

820
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: Noess, for sure, I'm a big believer in.

821
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 2: People.

822
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in doing things your own way.

823
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: And this is just the way I wanted to do it,

824
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: and I was able to put a good amount of

825
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: work into the way I wanted.

826
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 3: So listen, Well, I'm not going to tell you what

827
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 3: equipment to get to your podcast, but I'm going to

828
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 3: tell you this, it does not matter. Get whatever you

829
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 3: can afford that has a microphone and do it. You

830
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 3: could go and record your podcast on your iPhone and

831
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 3: that would be fine. Okay. I'm I'm going out and

832
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: doing vlogs and filming shit and everything, and I'm I'm

833
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 3: using an iPhone so you can all you can write

834
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 3: down in your notebook is, uh, whatever I can afford. Okay,

835
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: I've seen people spend just wasteful amounts of money. I

836
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 3: mean the facts to me. Will listen, the fact that

837
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 3: you have spent three weeks you still haven't started the podcast.

838
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: Correct, I have an episode out, you have.

839
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 3: An Okay, so you've started the podcast.

840
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: Well, I started it my senior year and then I

841
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: went to college and I started my senior in high school,

842
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,479
Speaker 1: and then I went to college and I really didn't

843
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: like it. Now I'm back and now I want to

844
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: just do my podcast.

845
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 3: Okay, don't do the Okay, people this, I see this

846
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: happen to people all the time. They obsess and freak

847
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 3: out over the type of equipment to use, and it

848
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 3: stops them from just recording the damn episode or filming

849
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 3: the damn video or whatever it is they want to do.

850
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 3: Just go and make the thing and don't worry about

851
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 3: what equipment you're using.

852
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: Hmm, Okay, I'll write that down.

853
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 3: Write that down. Is that truly it? Well, you seemed

854
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 3: so excited. I'm I'm I feel like there's got to

855
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 3: be more of this.

856
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: Well, No, I don't want to like force anything, because

857
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, I like, I've just been listening to you

858
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: for for like a long time. Like I'm almost like

859
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 1: I still have like a ever since you started putting

860
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: out more podcast episodes, I've been trying hard to keep up,

861
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: but I'm almost listening to all your podcast episodes now.

862
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've just been obsessed with you, dude for

863
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: like over a year. Now, I just think you're great.

864
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Well, Okay, how about this? What what's

865
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: your podcast about?

866
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: It's I told I told stage like so many times,

867
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: this is like non promotional, So I'd like, I'll stay

868
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: I'll like, I'll stay true to stage. I don't want

869
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: to like, I like. That's what I was afraid of.

870
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: I didn't want to sound like I was.

871
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: Well, I will listen. Well, I'm not asking well, I'm

872
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 3: not asking you for what the Instagram page is. I

873
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 3: just what's the podcast about? What are you trying to make.

874
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make a bug podcast.

875
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 3: You're trying to make a bug podcast? Are you calling bugs?

876
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 3: Are you talking about bugs? Are you? What are you

877
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: doing with bugs on this podcast?

878
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: Well, because I'd like, I've I've listened to a lot

879
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 1: of podcasts in high school and I'm a big true

880
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: crime fan and I still am. But I I've like

881
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: listened to like a good handful of podcasts, and I

882
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: realized that for all of like it's, I feel like

883
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: it's very gen z and maybe a little past that

884
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: for people to just have like a common interest in

885
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: like bugs and to like bugs. And I realized that

886
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: there's no like real someone doing it on their own

887
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:29,479
Speaker 1: bug podcasts, like on Spotify, or like any bugs thing

888
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: for that matter on Spotify.

889
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 3: So I do you personally like bugs?

890
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: I'm not crazy about them, but I've worked.

891
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 3: I worked. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, Okay.

892
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 3: So you're telling me that you don't really care that

893
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 3: much about bugs, but you want to start a podcast

894
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 3: and you're looking for a niche idea that nobody has

895
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: done before. So you're going to force yourself to get

896
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 3: into bugs so that you can have a niche podcast.

897
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: I think me not being totally obsessed with bugs, I

898
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: feel like in the in the like the outcome of

899
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: like the episodes I put out, it's something about like

900
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: the guy who isn't like totally crazy about what he's saying,

901
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 1: but is giving out like factual information seems like someone

902
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: that I would want to listen to. So I'm just

903
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: going to be that guy. I guess.

904
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 3: You want to make a bug podcast where the whole

905
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 3: angle of it is that you could kind of take

906
00:51:55,200 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 3: them or leave them.

907
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: In like maybe not like surface level people don't see that,

908
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: but like in in a way, you know, how.

909
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 3: Do you know any how do you do you? What

910
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 3: would you even talk about? Do you even know anything

911
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 3: about bugs?

912
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 2: Well?

913
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: I did one episode, and I made it about the

914
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: stink bug and I wrote down like a bunch of

915
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: notes and I put it out and then me and

916
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: like and then just I just had like my high

917
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: school friends would just like be like, yo, like when's

918
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: next episode coming out? Because then I kind of like

919
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: dropped it, like I haven't posted in, like I haven't

920
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: put out the episode.

921
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 3: And okay, I haven't put out so so okay. So

922
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 3: the stink Bug episode, did you what did you talk about?

923
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 3: Did you like research stink bugs and give stink bug facts?

924
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 3: Did you bring on a stink bug excer expert and

925
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 3: interview them? Did you tell personal stories about your relationship

926
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 3: with stink bugs?

927
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 4: Like?

928
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 3: What? What? What exactly was the podcast?

929
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: So my format for the stink bug episode was uh uh,

930
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: it was take it through stink bug life cycle, stink

931
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: bug defence mechanisms. I'm pretty they don't really have them.

932
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: Stink bugs are pretty like it was like stink bug

933
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: life cycle kind of like they're like like they're one

934
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: two just like their like whole like bodies and like

935
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: how like you know each like function, you know, hibernation

936
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: like infestations general, And then it went to stink bug

937
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: historical event which was in two thousand and nine when

938
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: all these stink bugs were attacking apple orchards and it

939
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: costs like millions upon like it costs like over a million,

940
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: maybe over five million dollars for apple orchard farmers, and

941
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: a town's mayor called the bug the bug from Hell.

942
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: And that was in like the caption of like the

943
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: description of the video, which I thought was funny. And

944
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 1: then how to kill stink bugs and how to prevent

945
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: infestations because they're really common, especially in winter, And that

946
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 1: was the format for that episode.

947
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 3: And you don't even like bugs, Well.

948
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: Well here's the well I got really amped up on that.

949
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: Like I got really amped up for that episode. And

950
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: that's why that's why I'm back here now because I

951
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: feel like with your you know this this exchange, I

952
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,479
Speaker 1: could gain a lot from this exchange, and I think

953
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: I could get back to that.

954
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 3: Okay, here's what I Here's here's what i'll Here's what

955
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 3: I'll say to you before we go. Will Is I

956
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 3: want you to imagine, uh see, I'm not what I'm

957
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 3: afraid of for you is I'm afraid of this podcast

958
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 3: becoming wildly successful, Like you're topping the Spotify charts, you're

959
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 3: getting deals from major podcast networks, You're getting the foremost

960
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 3: bug experts on your pod, and celebrities want to do it,

961
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 3: and you know you have millions of YouTube subscribers. That's

962
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 3: what I'm worried about, because then will I feel like

963
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 3: you're going to be trapped in a life of researching

964
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 3: and analyzing bugs you don't even feel strongly about, like

965
00:55:59,280 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 3: the cool.

966
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: Like when I started, I'll I won't hold you up

967
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: for too long. I'll just add one more thing just

968
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: when I started this whole thing, the like the original

969
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: thought that I had in mind is this podcast is

970
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: going to be alive as long as I'm alive. And

971
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to underestimate, you know, like I eat healthy,

972
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: like I want to live for a long time, and

973
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: so that will like by default, mean that this podcast

974
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: will be a long will be around for a long time.

975
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So I'm kind of just at my leisure

976
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: with it, you know.

977
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 3: Will I going to be okay? Well? Will I think?

978
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 3: I think, to get to your main question, You're absolutely

979
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,439
Speaker 3: going to be fine. Whatever microphone you buy, I think

980
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 3: you have what it takes to do this.

981
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: Do I need a do I need a camera. I

982
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: think when I had a visual ask, maybe I would

983
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: defeat this. You know here, I'll let you go. I'll

984
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: let someone else on the song.

985
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 3: What's the name of the podcast? Promote the bug podcast?

986
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 3: I want people to listen to it.

987
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to from I promise that you have to.

988
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 3: You have to have like Saints New it doesn't matter,

989
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 3: it doesn't I don't, I don't will. What's the name

990
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 3: of your bug podcast?

991
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: It's called bug Rast.

992
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 3: What is it?

993
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: It's one word.

994
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: It's b U g R.

995
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: A s T bug rast.

996
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 3: What does that mean?

997
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: We I have a co host that hasn't made an appearance.

998
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: You have a podcast host?

999
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: Well, because he is at college. He's my good buddy, David.

1000
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: If you're listening, he's my good buddy. And uh, I

1001
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: can't remember, Like I think. We were just like going

1002
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: back and forth over the name, and we figured that

1003
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: bug Grass podcast is something that we both really liked,

1004
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: so we just named it bug Grass.

1005
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna go listen to your snink bug episode.

1006
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 4: It's no listen to it in two weeks.

1007
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: The first episode is so bad.

1008
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm listening. I'm listening to it. It's too late. Well,

1009
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 3: thank you very much for calling.

1010
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, guest, have a great night.

1011
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 3: You know, one day I'm gonna I'm gonna be I

1012
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 3: wanna be a guest on the Bug the bug Grass podcast.

1013
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 3: I would love to be a guest on the bug

1014
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 3: Grass podcast. I don't know anything about bugs, but I

1015
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 3: feel like I know as much about bugs as both

1016
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: of those guys do. And here's why they're here. They're

1017
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 3: gonna be fine. And they're gonna be fine because they

1018
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 3: didn't let the whole thesis of that call. If we

1019
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 3: wanted to tribute something to it, it's about not letting

1020
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 3: minor things get in the way. You know, Will didn't

1021
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 3: have nice microphones. He didn't care. He wanted to start

1022
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 3: a podcast. Will doesn't know anything about bugs. He didn't care.

1023
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 3: He wanted to start a bug podcast. Will doesn't even

1024
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 3: like bugs, and he didn't let that stop him. So

1025
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 3: I think he's going to be completely FINEK goes on

1026
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 3: the line taking your phone.

1027
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: Calls every night. Never Bean goes.

1028
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,479
Speaker 3: To his ride. He's teaching you cloud in the interview line,

1029
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 3: but he's not really an expert