1 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: The show goes on. 2 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 2: It's Eli Sussman here, the managing editor of Fish Stripes, 3 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: where we cover your Miami Marlins all year rounds. 4 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: Every day in our own way. 5 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: And I mean that the season has just ended, just 6 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 2: wrapping up with a sixty seven and ninety five record, 7 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: fourth place in the National League East, not last in 8 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: a full length season. It has been a while since 9 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: the Marlins have been able to make that claim, courtesy 10 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: this time of the tanking Washington Nationals somehow winning the 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: race to the bottom. I guess with the Marlins it's 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: the smallest of silver linings to take into the off season. 13 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: They'll be picking. 14 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: Sixth overall, presumably in the twenty twenty two MLBA draft. 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: I think we can all agree this was a very 16 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: stressful and disappointing season, yet just the volume of it 17 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: was a refreshing return to normalcy coming off that shortened season. 18 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: There was a whole lot to talk about, and we 19 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: hope we gave you a lot to listen to here 20 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: on the podcast channels, beginning here with some programming notes. 21 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: As we enter the off season, there's still gonna be 22 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: a lot of audio coverage here. I should be doing 23 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 2: these official show episodes about once a week for the 24 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 2: foreseeable future. This one you're listening to probably in the 25 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: what's being released in the wee hours of Monday morning. 26 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: More typically, I expect to be dropping episodes on Wednesday mornings, 27 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: So just keep that in mind, both myself and with 28 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: a variety of guests of Fish Stripe staffers. You have 29 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: been listening to this channel throughout the season. You've heard 30 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: four days a week on weekday mornings our Big Fish 31 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: Small Pod with at wordl and Daniel Rodriguez. I have 32 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: both of them continuing to do this stuff for the 33 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: early portion of the offseason at least, but we're cutting 34 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: their volume in half. Of course, without the natural crutch 35 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: of having daily games to cover and to preview. We'll 36 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: be having one episode each week from at Word Doll, 37 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: one episode each week from Daniel Rodriguez covering everything else, 38 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: and there is a lot else that will still be 39 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 2: going on. October is coaching like shifting month. 40 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: What am I looking for? 41 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: Coaching carousel? This is when the coaching carousel goes round 42 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: and round and rounds. We are expecting some changes on 43 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: the Marlins front, so when those happen, they'll have reaction 44 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 2: to it. The Arizona Fall League is about to get 45 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: started with seven Marlins prospects getting extra reps and playing 46 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: with some of the other top prospects in Major League Baseball. 47 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: The Winter leagues not far behind Dominican Winter League. 48 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: So there's that, And of. 49 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: Course, the elephants in your headphones is transactions, player transactions, trades, 50 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: free agency. Even before those things happen, most of those 51 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: will happen after the World Series. There should be rumors 52 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: flying around that we'll be reacting to, offering analysis of, 53 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: and we hope you will be able to put your 54 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: mind in the right spot in terms of specific players 55 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: that make sense for the Marlins, ones who are expendable 56 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: to the Marlins. All that good stuff should be a 57 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 2: lot on the website fishtripes dot com. We still have 58 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: our mostly daily news posts handled from yours. Truly, we'll 59 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: have plenty of analysis from this past season. Voting is 60 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: now open for the September October Marlin of the Month award. 61 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: One Payez has been handling those awards for us throughout 62 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: the entire season, so you have a couple of days 63 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: to get those votes in for which Marlin's player finished 64 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: the year the strongest and our series being kicked off. 65 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: Also here on Monday will be this season review twenty 66 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: twenty one Marlin season review, going player by player throughout 67 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: the entire as well as some other guys at the 68 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: upper levels of the minors, maybe even some players that 69 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: were traded during the season. Some big picture trends about 70 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: this Marlin season. I'm sure you can think of some 71 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: that made this Marlins team distinct, sometimes in very unfortunate ways. 72 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 2: Trying to unpack exactly how that happened and what it 73 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: means for the future of the organization. The focus of 74 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: this episode is, as you may be able to see 75 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 2: in the title, talking about Marlins players that should be 76 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: on their way out of the organization and don't really 77 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: fit with what this team is building. There's a roster 78 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 2: crunch at the end of every year, as I'll be 79 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: getting into shortly. What fits rather conveniently into this topic 80 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: is changes on our fish Stripe's staff as well, people 81 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: who will not hear turning next year, and fortunately these 82 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: are under very happy circumstances. There's going to be an 83 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: article up on Fish Stripes on Monday from Ethan Bodowski 84 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: reflecting on his several years with Fish Stripes, more than 85 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: three on and off, and especially on during this twenty 86 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 2: twenty one season. I could not have done it without him. 87 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: He was absolutely instrumental in everything we did. He was 88 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: the one that fueled our Fish Stripes live live streams 89 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: that I had this idea shortly before opening day about 90 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: covering the team that way and discussing on a livestream, 91 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: interacting with the fans that listen to us, collaborating with staffers, 92 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: bringing on special guests. I mean, there are about sixty 93 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: hours of livestream footage. Said you could go back and 94 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: rewatch during the off season on YouTube, on our Twitter site, 95 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: on twitch as well. 96 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: And Ethan took the lead on that. 97 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: He I mean, he was the only Fish Strips live 98 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: host that we've ever had, and he is leaving enormous 99 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: shoes to fill in that regard because that was such 100 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 2: a successful venture that he led. He's going to be 101 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 2: shifting his focus to Just Baseball, which is the site 102 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 2: founded by Fish Stripes alum arm Leyden, and Ethan told me, 103 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: you're still trying to define exactly what that role is 104 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: going to look like. 105 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: He is still finishing up. 106 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: His degree at the University of Florida as well. I 107 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 2: can't say enough about his work, ethic, his knowledge of baseball, 108 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: and I think most importantly just his personality and his humanity. 109 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: He is just a remarkable person that we were fortunate 110 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: to have here for these last several years. And I 111 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: am certain that he is going to be a huge 112 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: titan of sports journalism moving forward in whatever particular role 113 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 2: that he settles into. So thank you Ethan for everything, 114 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: and I'm excited to see the coverage that he does 115 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: with just baseball throughout this postseason and beyond's. You can 116 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: find him on Twitter at Ethan Bodowski if you don't 117 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: already follow him. Yet another just extremely talented person that 118 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 2: as I've been fortunate enough to cross paths with here 119 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: at Fish Strip's. We are building a pretty nice alumni network, 120 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: if I do say so myself. Will the Marlins be 121 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: able to move forward without some familiar faces on their 122 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: major league groster that we've seen throughout this twenty twenty 123 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: one season and many of whom had been clinging on 124 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: for several years before that. Why these decisions are so 125 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: important is you could just take the Marlins word for it. 126 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: I guess if you want to go straight to CEO 127 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: Derek Jeter said in his latest media availability, if you 128 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: want to go by Craig Mishes reporting on Swings and Mishes, 129 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: they sense an urgency to be competitive in twenty twenty two. 130 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: This is not all that different from the company line 131 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: we've heard before. 132 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: If they're serious about. 133 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: It, then they need to do a whole lot of 134 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: heavy lifting coming off this season that anyway you slice it, 135 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: they were very bad team at the major league level. 136 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: One thing holding the back has been this stubbornness to 137 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: cling onto players that they've invested something in familiar faces 138 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 2: and as well, I mean there are even some players 139 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: that don't really fit into. 140 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: That category at all. 141 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: This was just a frustrating year to follow because there 142 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: was it was just difficult to grasp why a lot 143 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: of these players were on the roster, and especially some 144 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: of those that were in prominent roles on the roster, 145 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: even though you know they had flaws in their game 146 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: and didn't seem to fit in whatever this organization is 147 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: supposed to be building. So this episode talking about Marlins 148 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 2: players who saw in twenty twenty one, who finished the 149 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: year kind of on the roster, who I don't expect 150 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: back next year. It's because at the moment, you know 151 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: there's a forty man roster, but that roster gets stretched 152 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: by players who are on the sixty days injured list. 153 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: This stuff gets seld over the course of October when 154 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: those players inevitably need to be put back on the 155 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: roster if they are going to stick around, and you're 156 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: gonna have a roster crunch here where there are going 157 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: to be at least six, seven to eight depending on 158 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 2: exactly what this final number is. They are well above 159 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: the forty man threshold if you include all these players 160 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: that they hid on the sixty day IL to end 161 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 2: the year. 162 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: There is a crunch. 163 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: They need to make some of these decisions pretty immediately, 164 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: and others will need to be made as this offseason progresses. 165 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: Going through some of these individual players, not trying to 166 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: make it personal against any of these guys, but just 167 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: a combination of performance, contractual status, positional fits, all that 168 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 2: stuff that makes me doubt that they will be back 169 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. Let's start off with Sandy leone ways. 170 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: Time to go. 171 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: All of us field exact same way with Sandy Leon. 172 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: For a big chunk of the season, there was an 173 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 2: interesting disparity in how a pitchers performed when they threw 174 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 2: to Sandy compared to the other catchers on the roster. 175 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: You could look at his catcher er to back that up. 176 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: With that being said, as the season progressed, I think 177 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: that trends really faded. It really got muddled with the 178 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: rest of the other catchers. And offensively, it is hard 179 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 2: to overstate how useless he is Sandy Leon at this 180 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: stage of his career, and it's nothing new. This is 181 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 2: something that stuck out as soon as they signed him. 182 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 2: Where he is, bottom line, one of the worst offensive 183 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: players in baseball going back several years. He had that 184 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: very surprising breakthrough with the twenty sixteen Red Sox. But 185 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 2: if you go from twenty eighteen onward, you have this 186 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 2: sample of how many played appearances. You're talking about nearly 187 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: eight hundred plate appearances, more than a really one and 188 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: a half season's worth as a full starting catcher. Where 189 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: he's got an OPS in the low five hundreds. Where 190 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: he is hitting is batting average if you want to 191 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 2: be as simplistic as that is one seventy nine over 192 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 2: that time, when you don't hit for much power, when 193 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,599 Speaker 2: you are one of the slowest base runers in the 194 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: game as well that I believe that more than negates 195 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 2: what he brings intangibly and what he brings defensively as 196 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: a player. So I was not at all concerned with 197 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 2: signing him in the first place the game a minor 198 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: league deal. He was essentially the third catcher fourth catcher, 199 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: entered spring training on the depth chart, and very quickly 200 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: was propped into big action because of injuries. And I 201 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 2: think that's fine if you want to work out that 202 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: same arrangement with him next year. Tough to be upset 203 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 2: about that in any way, but there are so many 204 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: other options out there. I feel like his defensive impact 205 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: has been overstated quite a bit. 206 00:11:59,600 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: He is. 207 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: He's not top of the chain. He's not Jeff mathis 208 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 2: two point zero. And perhaps that is one particular example 209 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: that people have ingrained in their mind that they believe 210 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: he's because he's a defensive specialist. He's a defensive impact player, 211 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: and I think that's an important distinction that I want 212 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: to make, and I would be very surprised if he 213 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: comes back. Of course, the late season performance from somebody 214 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: like Nick Vortes makes the Marlins feel a little bit 215 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: better about their other internal catching options. Who else will 216 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 2: not be back next season, Preston Gilmet, Andrew Bollotti, and 217 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: Devin Morrero way time to go. I clumped those three 218 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: together because they're all in the same boat, called up 219 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 2: at the very very end of the season, just to 220 00:12:55,600 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: respectfully take up space on the Marlins roster. I think 221 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: if you combine them all together, Gilmet, Bellatti and Devin 222 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 2: Morrero to this point, they were probably dfa to combine 223 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: ten eleven times during the year. Gilmet especially, I feel 224 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 2: it was rough on him, only appearing in two games 225 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 2: despite being up and down and up and down a 226 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: handful of times this year. I think the Marlins have 227 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: a very clear understanding of who those guys are as 228 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: traditional organization fillers. Devin Morrero actually had a couple of 229 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 2: nice moments for the Marlins this year. He did get 230 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: the opportunity to start that final game of the season 231 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: in which they won, and earlier I guess this was 232 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 2: what early September when he had that pretty good offensive 233 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 2: game that included a home run and nice story. 234 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: Nice story for all them. 235 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: And Andrew Billotti, he had a long hiatus between major 236 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 2: league appearances when finally closed when the Marlins called him up. 237 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 2: He had previously only pitching the majors back in twenty 238 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: fifteen with the Tampa Bay Rays. 239 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: Nice. 240 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: All nice, but they are They're going to be on 241 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: the market this offseason for sure. Just organizational Phillip types 242 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 2: every off season, the Marlins had to plug some holes. 243 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 2: At least with these guys, they did get an opportunity 244 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: to break through to the major league level at some point. 245 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: With this team all bait being used in very low leverage, 246 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: unimportant situations in the grand scheme of things, that's three 247 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: easy roster spots right there that should be officially opened 248 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: in the coming days once those guys are set free 249 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: onto the open market. Jorge Alfaro Wake time to go. 250 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Alfarow. 251 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: We haven't had to think about him much over the 252 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: last month or so because he ended the season with 253 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 2: knee soreness, inflammation, whatever that was. 254 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: He wasn't feeling well enough to play. 255 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 2: They hit him on the il to and the season, 256 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: and it's it's remarkable that I'm just looking at now 257 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: to see how identical his offensive production this year is 258 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: to the twenty twenty shortened season. When we evaluate a 259 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: lot of players, I'd say more often than not, we 260 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: have to lean towards dismissing twenty twenty for sample size issues, 261 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: for the variety of unprecedented work conditions that players were 262 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: in that when possible in looking at a veteran player, 263 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: you want to wait the twenty twenty season very lightly. 264 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: But it's just astonishingly similar for Alfaro. In twenty twenty, 265 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: he had that twot eighty on base percentage three forty 266 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: four slugging This year two eighty three on base percentage 267 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: three forty two slugging ops is one point apart from 268 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: where it was last year, in that year where he 269 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: got booted as a starter. Something that I've mentioned on 270 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 2: our other platforms is just the very disappointing lack of 271 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: power from him as well. Only four home runs in 272 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: ninety two games played for somebody that has perhaps the 273 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: best raw power on the team, if not awfully close 274 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: to that. Just looking at his exit velocities, I mean, 275 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: you've seen him play. 276 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: If you've seen him play. 277 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: Going back to twenty nineteen, there's a lot of examples 278 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 2: of him showing power to all fields. He was not 279 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 2: able to tap into that whatsoever here in twenty twenty 280 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: one with him he's not a pending free agent, but 281 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: he is arbitration eligible, and he's doing a slight raise 282 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 2: over the two point zero five million dollars he made 283 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. I can't imagine the Marlins giving 284 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 2: it to him. He's just he has a lot of 285 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: bad habits offensively that he hasn't worked out as a 286 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: player who is twenty eight years old. The thing is 287 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: that I think with him that he's kind of an 288 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 2: old twenty eight being that he has been in professional 289 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: baseball for what twelve years now, and he was a 290 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: highly touted prospect going basically to the very beginning of 291 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 2: his pro career. He has played so many games at 292 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: at high levels of the competition. He's been given so 293 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: many opportunities to get a little bit better and better 294 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 2: and better, and he just hasn't done it. He has 295 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 2: not made adjustments. He's not matured as a player on 296 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 2: the field. He's been a fun guy to root for 297 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 2: off the field, well from home, he's been a fun 298 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 2: guy to root for from afar over his couple of years. 299 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 2: He is a dynamic player, He's just not a good player. 300 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: He's not and being out of options, out of minor 301 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 2: league options and being dual rays, and just the way 302 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 2: that again like little things that we saw down the 303 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: stretch from the younger catcher options as well, a combination 304 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: of Nick Vortes and Alex Jackson and Paydon Henry and 305 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: knowing that the Marlins have a lot of resources to 306 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 2: sign or trade for basically any catcher that's even slightly available, 307 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: they could overpay to address this premium position. And they 308 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 2: are not going to pay anything, I don't think to 309 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 2: bring back Korge Alfaro, despite him being such a big 310 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 2: piece of that real Muto trade. 311 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: It's time to move on from that. 312 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 2: George guzban time to go. This is another one where 313 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: there could be some different opinions on this, and similar 314 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: to Alfaro, he was a piece of a massive trade, 315 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 2: the gian Carlos Stanton trade. At the time of the 316 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: Stanton trade, believe it or not, George Guzman was the 317 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 2: most valuable piece that they received in return from the Yankees, 318 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: going along with Starlin Castro and with Jose Devers. At 319 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 2: the time, I mean, Guzman was a higher rated prospect. 320 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: He was the one that had already nice performance in 321 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: the middle levels of the minor leagues. He has had 322 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 2: ever so brief opportunities at the major league level over 323 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 2: the past two years, and I mean unfortunately, injuries have 324 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: played a big role in this. He got off to 325 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 2: a late start this year due to an elbow issue, 326 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: and after only two games with the Marlins in was 327 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: he was called up in late August, early September. It 328 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 2: was right around there, and he almost immediately he got 329 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: hurt again with his arm. Yeah, it was in the 330 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 2: middle of August. 331 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: Actually. 332 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: They were trying to get him, give him that long 333 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 2: runway over the final quarter of the season to establish 334 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 2: himself as a piece of this bullpen moving forward, and 335 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: he physically was not able to do that. Just from 336 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 2: watching him, the numbers that he put up in Double 337 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 2: A and twenty nineteen were mildly encouraging, and then this 338 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: year in a small sample of Triple A Jacksonville, you know, 339 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 2: the strikeout rate. 340 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: Was pretty good. 341 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: But just watching him, man, I don't think the control 342 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: is major league quality. I don't think he even really 343 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: has a shot at being anything more than the low leverage, 344 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 2: middle relief type if everything goes right. Just because his 345 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 2: his control is not there. He doesn't put enough pitches 346 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: in the zone. And I mean certainly his commands is 347 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 2: just not a piece of the puzzle with him. He 348 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 2: does not put pitches where he wants them to. He 349 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 2: does have an interesting arsenal that we were able to 350 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 2: see in an ever so brief time in the majors. 351 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 2: We were able to see it in Triple A as well, fastball, slider, 352 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: change up. He can miss some bats. He is going 353 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 2: to be twenty six years old in January. He's also 354 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: out of minor league options as well. You know, for 355 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 2: him to stick on this roster next year, he'd have 356 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 2: to make the team out of spring training, and I 357 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: just don't think that the upside is there to merit 358 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 2: that because of the limitations in his game right now, 359 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 2: that there are other directions they should be looking for 360 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: relief help. And I wouldn't be surprised to see him 361 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 2: designated for assignment at some point in the near future. 362 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: I'm not really sure if he'd be claimed by another team. 363 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 2: If I had to guess, it depends on what stage 364 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: of the offseason. Maybe you lose them for nothing, and 365 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 2: that's it's going to be an unfortunate turn of events 366 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 2: compared to how he was valued four years ago. But 367 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 2: of all, the really talented arms that they have in 368 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 2: the mid upper levels of their miners, as well as 369 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 2: of course ones just breaking through to the major leagues. 370 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: He's really far down for. 371 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 2: Me on the depth chart, and I have to imagine 372 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 2: they feel the same. This is all about creating room 373 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 2: on the forty men roster, because you guys are laser 374 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 2: focused on who are who are the impact players they'll 375 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: bring in this offseason, right, Well, there's always going to 376 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 2: be a corresponding move to that. In order to open 377 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: up the room to make the team better, there needs 378 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 2: to be a trade off. There needs to be players 379 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: that are on the opposite side of that, and some 380 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 2: of the ones as we've mentioned, Sandy Leon, Jorge al Farrow, 381 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 2: George Guzman. 382 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: Isan Diaz Way time to go. 383 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: Now he's in the slightly different position than the names 384 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: that I just mentioned. He does have one minor league 385 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: option remaining for next year. 386 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: There's not that. 387 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: Necessity to make a decision on him now. They can 388 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 2: always hold on to as much depth as they want 389 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,959 Speaker 2: and we've seen them do that, man. I mean, if 390 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 2: you look at the last few years, other players in 391 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 2: his age range, with his prospect pedigree, they cling onto 392 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 2: these guys until there's nothing left, until they find themselves 393 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: in the major league levele, or until they just show 394 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 2: that the opposite shows that they can't contribute in any 395 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: meaningful way. So this one, I wouldn't say I'm one 396 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 2: hundred percent sure that they cut the cord with Isan. 397 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 2: I'm pretty close to that. It was just miserable to 398 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 2: watch him play for the Marlins this year. There's no 399 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 2: other way to describe it. I wouldn't necessarily call him 400 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 2: the most disappointing player in the organization this year, just 401 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: because my expectations were not high for him. There were 402 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: bright red flags from how he played in his rookie 403 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 2: year in twenty nineteen, despite the age, and despite the 404 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 2: fact that you know, there are other towns of players 405 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 2: that put up even worse numbers than he does than 406 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 2: he did in his rookie year. It's just that it 407 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 2: was clear that this is not quite This is not 408 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 2: the dynamic player that we that was being scouted. This 409 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: was not It was not going to translate quite as 410 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 2: easily as people hope. Just seeing what he did at 411 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 2: Triple A. His numbers awfully similar this year to. 412 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: What they were in twenty nineteen. 413 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: You know, the batting average ticked up a few points, 414 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 2: the OBP on base percentage up to two ninety three, 415 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: but then the slugging man only four home runs in 416 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 2: eighty nine games. It's almost the exact same stat as 417 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 2: we said for Jorge Alfaro. Nobody really thought that Isan 418 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: had the same raw power as Alfaro did. But he's 419 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 2: a pole happy type of guy. So if you think 420 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 2: that anybody would be able to hit the ball out 421 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 2: more often than his physical tools would suggest, you'd think 422 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 2: it was somebody that was pole happy the way that 423 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 2: Esandut did. Eon is and really the only positive thing 424 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 2: he could say about his offensive game is that walk rate. 425 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 2: It had been high when it came into the league, 426 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: it was even higher this year. He can get on 427 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: base at like a moderately usable level if he was 428 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: a good If he was like if he had, you know, 429 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: something else to contribute anywhere else, they moved him a 430 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 2: lot to third base. He ended up playing more third 431 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 2: base than second base at the major league level this year. 432 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 2: As they look at it, it's almost dead even almost 433 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 2: at an exact even split, it was thirty starts at 434 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 2: third base, two hundred and seventy nine innings, thirty three 435 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: starts at second base two hundred and seventy innings, and 436 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 2: by defensive ront saved, he was actually bad. 437 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: At both spots. They have it. 438 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 2: That are pretty similar, being in the negative and overall 439 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 2: a negative eight defensively and basically a half season at 440 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,479 Speaker 2: the major league level. By the eye test, I'd say 441 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 2: his third base play was a little bit better than 442 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 2: his second base play. It's just all these individual situations 443 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 2: where he seems to lose focus, he seems to lose competitiveness. 444 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 2: He is in many ways an anti Jazz, even though 445 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 2: Jazz himself is somebody that's still a flawed player. I 446 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: think that's a guy that naturally people gravitate to for 447 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 2: the intangibles that he has. Isan is not showing any 448 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 2: of those intangibles right now. They'd be selling really low 449 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 2: on him. I don't know exactly what his value would 450 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 2: even be right now. I'm certain that somebody would claim 451 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: him off waivers because of the remaining minor league option 452 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 2: and because when he does go down into triple A 453 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: he hits. 454 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: He does hit that triple A. 455 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: Even this year, in an abbreviated stint down there, he 456 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 2: was an above average hitter. YadA Yadasi is a future 457 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 2: in pro baseball. I would expect with a pretty high 458 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 2: degree of confidence that he'd be back in the major 459 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 2: leagues as soon as next year, if not soon after that. 460 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 2: He'll he'll get other opportunities in this game, but shouldn't 461 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 2: be with the Marlins. 462 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: Just because he had his chance. 463 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: He had a really long leash this year. They gave 464 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 2: him a longer lease than anybody could thought, not waiting 465 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 2: until the final days of the regular season before sending 466 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 2: him down for the final time, and it just did 467 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: not work out unfortunately. The last guy I want to 468 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 2: mention in this main group, Eliezer Hernandez ways time to go. 469 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 2: He is certainly the quote unquote best player that we've 470 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 2: mentioned so far in here. It's just an awkward fit 471 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: with exactly how this pitching staff is coalescing moving forward 472 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 2: and all the options that they have. He is very 473 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 2: much a tweener between a starting pitcher and a reliever. 474 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 2: He's a good tweeter. He last year, you know, in 475 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 2: an injury shortened season twenty twenty that Eer and the 476 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 2: low threes great peripheral numbers as well. And then this year, 477 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 2: despite dealing with several injuries. 478 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: As well. 479 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, in terms 480 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 2: of run prevention, he was close to being a league 481 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: average starting pitcher. 482 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: This year. 483 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 2: He's entering his first year of arbitration eligibility, but he's 484 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 2: gonna be in a very modest pay raise that is 485 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 2: efficient even for the Marlins. It's not necessarily about being cheap. 486 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 2: It's not about taking your pitching depth for granted, because certainly, 487 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 2: if the Marlins are going to be taking that big 488 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 2: step forward in twenty twenty two, they will need to 489 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 2: lean on just about every prominent young pitcher that you 490 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 2: can think of in their organization at some point in 491 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: some role. Eliezer is one that just doesn't really fit 492 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: the mold. If there's one thing that this pitching staff, 493 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 2: there's any one characteristic of Marlins pitchers that really sticks out, 494 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 2: it's the development of great changeups, even the players they've 495 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 2: traded away, even Zach Gallen. That was one key adjustment 496 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 2: that he made in a short time of the Marlins organization. 497 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 2: You could count him up. It's everybody. It's Sandy. Sandy 498 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 2: al Contra's changeup is better than ever. It's been Pablo's 499 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: bread and broader pitch throughout his time in the major 500 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 2: leagues Trevor Rodgers. This year, Flash won the better change 501 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 2: ups that any left handed pitcher throws in all of baseball. 502 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 2: With eliez Er Hernandez, they made a more concerted effort 503 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 2: to have him throw it this year after he kind 504 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 2: of was effective in spite of not having much of 505 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 2: a change up last year. In the year before they 506 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 2: try to reintegrate that. There were a few individual highlights 507 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: that I remember seeing and really peaking my curiosity, and 508 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I don't think he 509 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 2: made enough progress with that pitch and that he doesn't 510 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: have enough other ingredients to make up for that being 511 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 2: a two because if that change up can't be relied upon, 512 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 2: then I guess the label you would use for somebody 513 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: like this is a two pitch guy, except for the 514 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 2: fact that one of his other two pitches, the fastball, 515 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: is not particularly good either. That was one let down 516 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 2: this year and watching Eliezer Hernandez is that his fastball. 517 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 2: We know his fastball velocity is limited, but he really 518 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: needs to have good command of it and some little 519 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 2: late movements otherwise it gets creamed. And that is why 520 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 2: throughout his major league career, he has these sky high 521 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 2: home run rates. 522 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: He allows more than. 523 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 2: One home run every five innings. This year, he allowed 524 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 2: one home run every four innings, despite a lot of 525 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 2: those innings coming in the pitchers paradise that is lone 526 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 2: depot park. I think people speak pretty highly about his 527 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 2: work ethic. He is a former Rule five draft pick 528 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,239 Speaker 2: who has no doubt been a success story relative to 529 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 2: what his perception was when the Marlins acquired him four 530 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 2: years ago. And I do think, as a mentioned up top, 531 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: that he has significant positive trade value that some of 532 00:29:58,760 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 2: these other. 533 00:29:59,360 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: Players do not. 534 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 2: Half there are other teams I would really appreciate having 535 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 2: Eliots or Hernandez with the Marlins. I just don't think 536 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: that he's as important to them as he would be 537 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 2: with a lot of other teams. And ultimately that's why 538 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: I expect him to be traded with a pretty high 539 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: degree confidence, not one hundred percent, pretty high. We know 540 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 2: from Craigmish that his name specifically was brought up in 541 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 2: Twins Marlins negotiations two years ago that they made a 542 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 2: good deal of progress towards trading him for position player help. 543 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 2: That's the cond trade that maybe they could do again, 544 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 2: because since then he's missed a lot of time. 545 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: Due to injury. 546 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 2: When he's been on the field, he's been better in 547 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: twenty twenty twenty twenty one than he wasn't even before that. 548 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 2: He has been able to establish himself as someone that 549 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: gets out at a relatively good clip in the majors. 550 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 2: But I just don't trust him reaching another level as 551 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 2: a starter or his stuff playing well in the bullpen either, 552 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 2: you know, just without having that fastball. We know how 553 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 2: great his slider is, but I just don't think the 554 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 2: other ingredients are there to really help solve, you know, 555 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 2: what the Marlins need if they wanted to put together 556 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: an elite pitching staff. I expect him ultimately to go. 557 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to finish up here with a bunch of 558 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 2: other names that I'm not quite as as shirt are 559 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: on their way out that really should be, but you 560 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 2: never really know with this Marlins team, the first being 561 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 2: Lewis Brinson. I mean probably when you saw the name 562 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 2: of this podcast episode, Brinston's name was one of the 563 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 2: first that came to minds despite his Brinsanity run that came, 564 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 2: you know, shortly after the All Star break when he 565 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: was on the Hottest Hitters in baseball. He came all 566 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 2: the way back down to Earth at the end, similar 567 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 2: to al Barrow. You know, the number sers are remarkably 568 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 2: similar to where they were in twenty twenty, a little 569 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 2: bit more over the fence power, and otherwise just identical 570 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 2: to who he was. I want to get the narrative 571 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,959 Speaker 2: straight on him that he was really really overmatched in 572 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: both twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen won the least productive 573 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 2: players in baseball, and he has improved as a player 574 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: over the last couple of years compared to where he 575 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 2: was at the start of his Marlins career. 576 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: I think he deserves some credit for that. 577 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 2: I think that's the only reason why this isn't a 578 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 2: lock for him to be non tendered. As someone that's 579 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 2: about to be heading into arbitration. He's doing a slight raise, 580 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 2: you know, from the league minimum to something slightly over 581 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: one million dollars, and he's going to be out of 582 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 2: minor league options in the overall production as a career 583 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 2: one ninety nine hitter who is not quite superlative in 584 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 2: the other aspects of the game to make up for that, 585 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,959 Speaker 2: I think that the decision should be to let him 586 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 2: start a new chapter elsewhere. But you know, the Marlins 587 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 2: feel very highly about his character. If it's not going 588 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 2: to be a huge financial commitment to make just to 589 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 2: keep him around for another year as an insurance policy, 590 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: if there are other outfield pursuits don't pan out, then 591 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 2: maybe he comes back. Their loyalty to him knows no bounds, 592 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 2: at least it has not reached its bounds yet. A 593 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 2: similar category magneris Sierra, also out of minor league options. 594 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 2: Also can't really hit, and even more so than. 595 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: Brinson, he just can't hit for impact. 596 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 2: I believe he has more played appearances at the major 597 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 2: league level than any other active player without hitting a 598 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 2: home run. It's hard to imagine that factoid ever changing 599 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 2: with him. He's also going to be arbitration eligible. He's 600 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 2: gonna be a little cheaper than Brinson is. They seem 601 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 2: to like him personally, but just from watching him this 602 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 2: entire season, you saw that he didn't impact winning quite 603 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 2: as much as he did during the twenty twenty shortened season. 604 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 2: There was not that step forward whatsoever from him as 605 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 2: a player, even though he does do some things really well. 606 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 2: He is a great defensive player. He is still a 607 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 2: very good base runner, but one of that occasionally has 608 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 2: some lapses seen in the times that just like a 609 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 2: lot of players on this roster are getting picked off 610 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 2: a bases, losing his focus and all that stuff. By 611 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 2: the way that he was handled this year, that he 612 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 2: was on the active roster of the entire year, and oh, 613 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 2: let me just slow this down so I can find 614 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: the stat for it as somebody that was one of 615 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 2: the few players that was on this roster for the 616 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 2: entire year, and yet he only started how many games 617 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 2: in here for three forty three games, barely one quarter 618 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 2: of the team's games, despite being active the entire time. 619 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 2: It shows that the team understands his limitations very well. 620 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: They were able. 621 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 2: They were putting pretty much every single player that they 622 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,959 Speaker 2: called up as a high priority than him in terms 623 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: of getting substantial playing time and finding a rhythm and 624 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 2: all that. I think it's likely that they part ties 625 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 2: with him, but even more so than Brentson, I think 626 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 2: there's a pretty strong chance that he would clear waivers 627 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 2: if they did try to pass him through. That he's 628 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 2: not only the worst guy to keep around in the 629 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 2: organization as a non roster guy at TRIPAA level. So 630 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 2: that's why I didn't include him in the main section 631 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: before I could see that scenario where they find a 632 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 2: way to keep him around without having him clog up 633 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 2: the forty man roster and without any expectations of him 634 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 2: at the major league level. One player we really forgot 635 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 2: about all year. Well I didn't forget about him, but 636 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 2: I'm sure you did. Right hander Jeff Brigham. He showed 637 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 2: some very interesting stuff in twenty nineteen down the stretch, 638 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 2: and then last year he was out nearly the entire 639 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 2: year due to COVID. This year, he just basically never 640 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 2: reported to as far as I know, he didn't report 641 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 2: to the team facilities. They were calling it biceps. It 642 00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,040 Speaker 2: was a biceps issue with him, biceps inflammation, but he 643 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 2: never really provided a substantive details about his rehab. It 644 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 2: never didn't really seem that he was in their plans 645 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 2: in any way. He just spent this entire year on 646 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 2: the major league injured list without seemingly any plans of 647 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 2: being activated, of being rehabs and all that. I kept 648 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 2: him out of the main section as a player that 649 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,919 Speaker 2: they'll be turning the page on because we just don't 650 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 2: know the particulars of exactly what was the deal with him. Physically, 651 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 2: and hopefully we'll get an answer to that in the 652 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 2: coming days. But he's going to be thirty years old 653 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 2: in February, and he's barely pitched the last couple of years. 654 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 2: I would think likely that he is not held onto 655 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 2: the forty men roster. That they do have some other 656 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 2: young guys that have comparable stuff to him that they've 657 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 2: more invested in. But there's just this cloud kind of 658 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 2: hanging over his status. So we'll just leave it at 659 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 2: that for the time being. Another potentially divisive player that 660 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 2: I just want to mention Eddie Alvarez. We did get 661 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 2: to see him through a lot of September. It was 662 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 2: one of the emotional lows of the season for me. 663 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 2: When Don Mattingly with a straight face right after they 664 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 2: sent down Eastan Diez, he said with a straight face 665 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 2: that a big reason why is because they wanted to 666 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 2: get a look at Eddie Alvarez as an everyday player. 667 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 2: Just how do you like market that team? I mean, 668 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,879 Speaker 2: I know that Eddie Alvarez in some ways, it's very 669 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 2: marketable as a beloved person, and it has a very 670 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 2: unique and accomplished athletes. As a two time medalist in 671 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,879 Speaker 2: both the Winter games and now in the summer games 672 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 2: in baseball, and being a Miami native and all that, 673 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 2: there's just no reason to believe that he is a 674 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 2: useful major league player at this age. 675 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: Of his career. 676 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 2: That he he's just not good. 677 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: He's just not you know. 678 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 2: He he is a great ambassador to the game of baseball, 679 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 2: and to have him involved with the Marlins organization is 680 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:21,879 Speaker 2: a blessing. It's just he is not deserving of a 681 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 2: forty man roster spot on the team that's trying to win. 682 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 2: He bumped up his stats a little bit on the 683 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 2: final day of the season. I believe he got his 684 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 2: ops over six hundred, but still, you know, striking out 685 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,240 Speaker 2: at like a league average rate, and not quite as fast, 686 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 2: not quite as impactful with his legs as you may think, 687 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 2: not quite as solid defensively as you may imagine. You know, 688 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 2: there are these perceptions about him as being a fun 689 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 2: utility guy, and he's just it's just not as as 690 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 2: you know, good in those departments as you need from 691 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 2: somebody that is occupying a major league job. I do 692 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 2: hope they find a way to have him involved in 693 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 2: the organization, but I mean, very quietly, last year at 694 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 2: the end of the season, they did essentially out. They 695 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 2: passed them through waivers. They were willing to give him up. 696 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 2: At the end of last year as well, he cleared waivers, 697 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 2: they re signed him to a minor league deal and 698 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 2: he hung out for most of the year at Triple 699 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 2: A in the Olympics until this spot opens in mid September. 700 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 2: I expected to be a similar process this time, where 701 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 2: they leave them open to be claimed by anybody who 702 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 2: thinks differently. But it's hard to reach any different conclusion 703 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 2: on him if you actually watch him play, if you 704 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 2: actually watch the full sample instead of just being captivated 705 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 2: by particular highlights, that they need to upgrade at that 706 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 2: kind of role, and so hopefully they if it costs 707 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 2: a little bit of money to do so, that they 708 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,760 Speaker 2: should be willing to spend it. And the final situation 709 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 2: I wanted to mention here is at first base, where 710 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 2: Laywan Diaz down the stretch a lot of good, a 711 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,399 Speaker 2: little bit of concern with him, as we'll get into 712 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 2: on future pod episodes, but because of his some of 713 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 2: the tools that he does have, his very evident ability 714 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 2: that he could be in everyday caliber first baseman, and 715 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,439 Speaker 2: where he is on his Baseball Service timeline where they 716 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 2: have control for another six years over Laywin Diaz before 717 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 2: he's eligible for a free agency, that he is essentially 718 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 2: a locke to be on the roster at the start 719 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,240 Speaker 2: next year. That you need to give controllable position players 720 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 2: with that kind of upside an opportunity at the major 721 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 2: league level. And because of that, I cannot see a 722 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 2: scenario in which Laywin and Gark Cooper and Hayesu's Aguilar 723 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 2: are all even with the team in spring training, and 724 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 2: certainly not all in the opening day roster. It's too 725 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 2: redundant of a skill set for a team that has 726 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 2: spoken about the importance of being very athletic and being 727 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 2: very versatile, that you don't get a whole lot of 728 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 2: versatility from that trio with Hasius Aguilar, and both with 729 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 2: both Cooper and Hasius Aguilar, they're coming off of surgery, 730 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 2: which complicates things. Neither of those surgeries expected to slow 731 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 2: them down from being available at the sort of spring training. 732 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 2: It is always a concern about exactly how long it 733 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 2: takes to get back to full strength after a procedure. 734 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 2: For Aguilar, it was with his knee. With Garrett Cooper, 735 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 2: it was with his elbow ligaments on his left arm. 736 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 2: There is a little bit of uncertainty about exactly what 737 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 2: their status is going to be. Cooper is the one 738 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,839 Speaker 2: that has the higher trade value, but. 739 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 1: That I mean that being. 740 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 2: Said, both of them could conceivably fit in the roster 741 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 2: one way or the other. Again, this is a pot 742 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 2: about players who not expected to be back next year, 743 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 2: and ultimately they're going to make a decision on that 744 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 2: between really one or the other, between Hayszagil Garrett Cooper, 745 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 2: or maybe they do something really bold and end up 746 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 2: really rejiggering the roster in a way that perhaps leaves 747 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,760 Speaker 2: both of them with different teams a long off season 748 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 2: to see that play out. I intend to be with 749 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 2: you every step of the way here on the podcast 750 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 2: the official show check these shows out weekly, mostly on 751 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 2: Wednesdays here on the pod channel. Our full coverage is 752 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 2: on fish stripes dot com. You guys are chomping at 753 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 2: the bit to banter about the new pieces coming in. 754 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 2: Before we get into that, I wanted to just to 755 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 2: talk about, you know, the guys that we should be 756 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,439 Speaker 2: prepared to say goodbye to. The corresponding moves, the soon 757 00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 2: to be old friends of the Miami Marlins that were 758 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 2: top of mind for me. If there's anybody I'm missing 759 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 2: that you feel is really not much of a fit 760 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 2: for the team moving forward, just let me know. You 761 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 2: can find me, of course, anywhere on all of our 762 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 2: platforms on Fish Stripes as well as personally on Twitter 763 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 2: at real Eli E L Y. A whole lot of 764 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:23,800 Speaker 2: more Marlin's content coming from the entire staff here, and 765 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 2: we're glad to have you guys along for the ride. 766 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: Go Fish