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Speaker 4: We've been We've been on a pretty good role here.

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Speaker 4: Had everybody here for a couple of shows now, so.

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Speaker 2: It feels good.

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Speaker 7: Nothing about that, because I also worked a draft show

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Speaker 7: and ain't nobody been here?

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Speaker 4: Y'all been y'all been working with scraps on the Draft show.

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Speaker 7: Well that's not true because when vices here is not

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Speaker 7: scraps anymore.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 4: Bad because I wasn't trying to put his I can

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Speaker 4: make it. I mean, I wasn't trying to There was

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Speaker 4: no shot.

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Speaker 7: I'm not gonna hold your camera what you just said,

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Speaker 7: But I make it feel like it's fire.

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Speaker 2: Different people on the show.

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Speaker 4: There you go. Good stuff. But part of the reason

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Speaker 4: why you haven't Adams because mister Tommy here, he's been

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Speaker 4: out there on the road. You've been doing some things. Man.

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Speaker 4: Over the last couple of weeks. You've had what you

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Speaker 4: went to Texas Pro Day. You went to was an

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Speaker 4: A and M's prodec uh no, Texas Tech, Texas Tech Produce.

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Speaker 4: You went all the way out to lubboock.

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Speaker 8: Hopp in the car and toughed it out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And then on top of that, last week or

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Speaker 4: earlier this week, you were outed at the owner's meetings

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Speaker 4: in Phoenix.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, very hot. I knew Phoenix was hot. In side, man,

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Speaker 8: that was brutal.

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Speaker 4: You know what I didn't know. I didn't know that

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Speaker 4: that meeting has turned into a I mean it's almost

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Speaker 4: like a mini super Bowl. It sounds like they have

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Speaker 4: like a media party and it's the whole thing.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they didn't.

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Speaker 4: Realize it was all that going on out there for

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Speaker 4: for meetings.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, they had the annual party on Monday night. It

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Speaker 9: was very pleasant.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, Gark, here's what I want you to do. Of

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Speaker 4: those three different things you've covered in last two weeks,

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Speaker 4: give me, give me just one thing if you had

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Speaker 4: to point out one thing that stood out the most

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Speaker 4: to you. Because you've had time to talk to Tashaty,

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Speaker 4: you've had some behind the scenes conversations. I'm sure you've

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Speaker 4: seen some different things, talk to some different people. If

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Speaker 4: all of those chips combined.

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Speaker 2: What would it be who?

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Speaker 8: It's tough to narrowed down to one because there really

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Speaker 9: I will say I think I said on the show,

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Speaker 9: and you asked me, what do you think about George Pickens?

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Speaker 9: Do you think an extension is going to get done

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Speaker 9: before the season. I think I said yes. I think

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Speaker 9: my mind's changed on that. I think George Pickens is

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Speaker 9: in twenty twenty seven. I think history has shown that

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Speaker 9: when this team applies the franchise Tag, their players typically

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Speaker 9: at this point. For George Pickens, Do I think he's

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Speaker 9: deserving of a long term extension based on last season?

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Speaker 9: I do, But I think that the way that this

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Speaker 9: do the same in twenty twenty seven. Now after that,

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Speaker 9: what does it mean if he puts together two really

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Speaker 9: question that the Cowboys have to answer. I think he

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Speaker 8: When does CDs deal up twenty twenty? I think so,

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Speaker 4: But the reason why I asked that is because could

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Speaker 4: I don't think they'd go three years on a long

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Speaker 4: they still have another year or two with CD to

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Speaker 4: where that's still not an issue, I think, But still.

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Speaker 8: I think the preference would be to keep them together.

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Speaker 9: One, because they've gotten so close. I think that really

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Speaker 9: continue playing together. I think there's some truth to that.

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, And the success that this organization has had with

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Speaker 9: Has been so evident in the way that they've played

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Speaker 8: Does that mean that maybe when we sit around here.

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Speaker 9: This time next year, is wide receiver maybe more of

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Speaker 9: I'm not going to play under the tag potentially, but

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Speaker 9: I think the goal would.

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Speaker 8: Be to keep them together as long as they can.

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Speaker 4: And do you what do you think is going to

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Speaker 10: I think particularly it was one of those things that

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Speaker 10: These are topics you have to ask and these are

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Speaker 10: I didn't get anything out of it as far as

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Speaker 10: the long term deal. And I'm sure you'll bring it up,

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Speaker 10: but you told me you posted the story about the

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Speaker 10: something else with is that part of your rundown? Well,

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Speaker 10: we can transition to it.

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Speaker 2: They hate when I do. Let's called a conversation positivity passivity.

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Speaker 2: Still we still.

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Speaker 4: No conversation, she said, said with emphasis.

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Speaker 10: I'm just going back to again when we get into

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Speaker 10: that topic, it just goes back to you get providing

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Speaker 10: an answer like you didn't really get a full understanding

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Speaker 10: want to stay in stack to pickings. There's just no news.

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Speaker 10: That's what I'm trying to say. There's nothing change for

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Speaker 9: And that's why I meant, you know, I was wrong.

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Speaker 9: I think when I said that, I think there's an

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Speaker 9: extension done. I'll admit that I think that was a

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Speaker 9: that there have not been any new discussions with David

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Speaker 9: it was the Michael Parson situation.

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Speaker 8: Same agent.

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Speaker 9: This time around, it feels like he can work with them,

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Speaker 9: but there's been no new talks about an extension. He

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Speaker 7: Tom Please, Tommy, you were at the owner's meeting right

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Speaker 7: when Clarence asked Steven about the whole Pickens situation, and

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Speaker 7: it seemed like Steven got to be of an attitude back.

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Speaker 7: I answer your question. What did you what did you

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Speaker 4: What was the question?

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Speaker 2: Do you do you remember what the question.

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Speaker 9: The question initially was there had there been any new

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Speaker 7: And Claire's may say it like a little son, he said,

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Speaker 7: I answered your question.

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Speaker 9: Clarence followed up by asking is there any and this

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Speaker 9: I'm paraphrasing, and the phrase, is there any assurance that

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Speaker 8: And Steven answered with I answered your.

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Speaker 4: Question real quickly listened that we actually have that queued up.

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Speaker 3: Damn you know, we're just not going to comment as

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Speaker 3: we move forward on negotiations, uh on on where that

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Speaker 8: Do you have any idea what he would show up?

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Speaker 2: Or answered your question exactly? How did I do that?

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Speaker 2: How did I do that?

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Speaker 4: You did that because it was sitting on my run?

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Speaker 2: How could I just.

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Speaker 4: Do we think? Well, we think just thinking like why

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Speaker 4: you gotta have to there? I don't know if it

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Speaker 4: because here's what I thought when I heard that. I

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Speaker 4: thought Steven is being very very careful what he says

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Speaker 4: want to make sure that this doesn't end up being

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Speaker 7: Earlier, you said and please say it, say it the

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Speaker 9: Them Tically, typically, Steven has been more quiet about negotiations

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Speaker 7: We're gonna do the tag now, but we working on

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Speaker 2: We please.

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Speaker 10: Playing when you think joking around with and I think

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Speaker 10: Tommy's point Steven acts very different than Jerry. Jerry we

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Speaker 4: All right, let's talk about the linebacker position. This week

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Speaker 4: we had Stephen Jerry Shoddy all talked about the position

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Speaker 4: and where they are. Let's let's line these up. I

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Speaker 4: know Chris has a lot of these quotes. Les, let's

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Speaker 4: line them up. Let' let's go to what Steven said,

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Speaker 4: then we'll go to what Jerry said, then we'll go

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Speaker 4: to what shot he said, and then we'll talk about

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Speaker 4: it from there.

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Speaker 8: You know, I don't think it has to be before

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Speaker 8: the draft.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think there's any timing on that. Go

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Speaker 3: back to player acquisitions three hundred and sixty five days

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Speaker 3: a year, and you know we've got good players after

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Speaker 3: the draft. You know, in terms of players that have

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Speaker 3: played in the league, there's always you know, opportunities for trades,

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Speaker 3: and we'll continue to look at every avenue. Obviously the

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Speaker 3: draft is one of them as well.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna run Jerry, We'll just run him back to back.

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Speaker 16: I've looked at that Mirra a lot about how to

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Speaker 16: go up and down and trade and do those kinds

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Speaker 16: of things.

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Speaker 2: And absolutely will.

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Speaker 16: Entertain improving or an end draft read on what gives

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Speaker 16: us a better chance to get another player and still

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Speaker 16: have our pick red meat of top players. Now that

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Speaker 16: has that has a on the board aspect to it,

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Speaker 16: but it's very doable, and yes you should when you've

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Speaker 16: got the kind of assets or the kind of ammunition

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Speaker 16: we got in this draft. You should look at all massinations. Uh.

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Speaker 16: It's it's one thing to sit here right now. It's

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Speaker 16: another thing to sit and look at it three hours

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Speaker 16: into the draft and see what you've got there. And

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Speaker 16: so all of that is a possibility. Uh, we've had

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Speaker 16: our best work.

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Speaker 2: We had four and.

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Speaker 16: Five times the draft capital back in the early years

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Speaker 16: that I was involved in the NFL of an average team,

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Speaker 16: and we missed on some We missed on some trades,

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Speaker 16: but we nailed a few. The main thing is because

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Speaker 16: we had that much capital, we were probably cutting and

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Speaker 16: shooting more at that particular time, and we certainly had

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Speaker 16: some success during that time. Probably nothing effects in the

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Speaker 16: draft being a This is an obvious statement, but nothing,

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Speaker 16: no amount of skill, no amount of knowledge, can beat

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Speaker 16: having a lot of draft capital, having a lot of

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Speaker 16: picks that'll win most of the time.

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Speaker 17: You know, Look, we made a run at some guys

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Speaker 17: in free agencies. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, And

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Speaker 17: what do you do.

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Speaker 2: You just adjust.

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Speaker 17: It's something we're working on, you know. Three and sixty five,

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Speaker 17: twenty four to seven.

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Speaker 8: We've got a good plan.

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Speaker 17: We've got firepower now going into the draft, we're not done.

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Speaker 17: We're always open for business. So you know, part of

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Speaker 17: it's going to be, you know, Demo having a tremendous year,

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Speaker 17: Shamar James, the guy we're excited about, but we recognize

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Speaker 17: that we've.

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Speaker 4: Got to fill some holes there.

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Speaker 17: Hey, we were trying, and if they don't take the money,

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Speaker 17: they don't take the money, you know. But I felt

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Speaker 17: like the offers that we made were very, very fair.

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Speaker 4: They were big numbers.

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Speaker 17: We were very competitive, but it's hard to compete with

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Speaker 17: a couple of former teammates that wanted to go play together.

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Speaker 17: And there's different reasons about why you lose these guys.

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Speaker 17: But we were very competitive, I will reiterate that, very

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Speaker 17: competitive in those deals.

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Speaker 4: But that's the business man, you know.

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Speaker 17: You you pivot and you get excited and that competitive

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Speaker 17: juices and.

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Speaker 8: You get going.

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Speaker 17: You're like, okay, all right, let's go, next man up.

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Speaker 17: And so again, we're far from being done.

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Speaker 4: So what'd you guys take from that? There's a lot.

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Speaker 10: That's the stuff I like to hear. Yeah, what Shanty

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Speaker 10: said there, that's the stuff.

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Speaker 2: I like to hear.

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Speaker 4: But the last part, we're being done him.

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Speaker 10: Saying we're trying, We're trying. We made these we made

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Speaker 10: some good offers. I want to know that you're at

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Speaker 10: least trying, because before you know, in yours fast you

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Speaker 10: hear comments and he's just like, oh, we got our guys,

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Speaker 10: like our guys, We like our guys. We're good, you know,

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Speaker 10: even though behind the doors are still obviously trying. But

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Speaker 10: I appreciate the the lie. You like transparency, the transparency

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Speaker 10: from Brian Schadenheimer in making comments like that. Obviously there's

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Speaker 10: only so much he can say, but it's refreshing to

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Speaker 10: hear that stuff because if you're trying, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 10: be mad at you. If I know you're trying.

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Speaker 8: She's about to run through a wall.

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Speaker 4: After that, that was excite up.

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Speaker 9: I think there's a couple of things there for me.

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Speaker 9: Number One, Stephen's saying that it doesn't need to happen

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Speaker 9: before the draft. In terms of improving that room, Jerry

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Speaker 9: was asked about that as well, and asked if he

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Speaker 9: anticipated going into the draft with the current linebacker room

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Speaker 9: he's got. He said, no, We're looking to improve their

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Speaker 9: personnel wise and are continuing to do so right now

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Speaker 9: before the draft, as well as the potential in the

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Speaker 9: draft so I'll add that in the mixture that there

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Speaker 9: could be something there.

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Speaker 8: Look, I think I said it here.

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Speaker 9: I think your most likely optionate linebacker is a trade

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Speaker 9: at some point, whether it happens before or after. This

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Speaker 9: very well could be a George pickens S type of

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Speaker 9: situation from last year where they go into the draft,

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Speaker 9: they maybe don't take a linebacker, or they take one

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Speaker 9: in the later rounds, and then they go and.

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Speaker 8: Trade for a guy afterterwards. You could see him do

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Speaker 8: both too.

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Speaker 9: I think there's it's that much of a need where

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Speaker 9: you can trade for a guy and use some of

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Speaker 9: your high draft capital on a guy if the right

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Speaker 9: person is there. The other thing that they added is

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Speaker 9: that they are comfortable with a rookie playing middle linebacker.

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Speaker 9: They're comfortable with a rookie if it's the right guy

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Speaker 9: wearing the green dot and their defense. So I'll add

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Speaker 9: to all that. Yeah, I think they did make a

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Speaker 9: run at those guys. I mean he hinted to you,

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Speaker 9: am I allowed to say names of the two guys

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Speaker 9: that he that he hinted towards.

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Speaker 4: I'm not if they're on another team.

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Speaker 9: The two guys who were teammates at Georgia who reunited

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Speaker 9: with a team in Las Vegas were the two that

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Speaker 9: I think he was mentioning there.

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Speaker 8: So you know, you made you made a run at

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Speaker 8: some guys you came.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I thought you were meaning that they that they

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Speaker 4: would go after you're saying the guy, yeah.

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Speaker 8: Okay, that's okay, yeah, Kobe Dean KOI Walker, right.

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Speaker 4: I thought you're meeting guys they might go try to

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Speaker 4: treat you. No, no, no, no, no, yeah no no.

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Speaker 9: Those are the two that chott Habert was referencing. They

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Speaker 9: made runs at and just ultimately couldn't come up short.

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Speaker 9: And there were some other ones that they were in

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Speaker 9: the next on to. But yeah, I think it's it's

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Speaker 9: easy to say like, yeah, we tried. Unfortunately we tried

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Speaker 9: is not going to cut it in this business. You've

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Speaker 9: got to be able to close on some of those.

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Speaker 9: But now this is the situation they're in, and I

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Speaker 9: think they recognize that, and they've got a pivot and

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Speaker 9: they've got resources to do it.

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Speaker 16: Now.

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Speaker 8: It'll be interesting to see what they do with those

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Speaker 8: resources and who they get.

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Speaker 7: I got faith that they'll do something, and I do

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Speaker 7: want to be careful with my cowboy.

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Speaker 2: That I don't know that. I don't know.

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Speaker 7: It could be either Tommy has an interesting question like

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Speaker 7: woild y'all like trade up or whatever, And if they're

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Speaker 7: going to trade up, it'll be sunny styles from Ohio State.

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Speaker 4: And Jerry didn't mention that. Actually, I want to real

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Speaker 4: quick say, Jerry's quote there was more specific to draft

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Speaker 4: and trades than it was specific a linebacker. He was

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Speaker 4: basically saying, with all the ammunition they have, they're comfortable

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Speaker 4: moving up, down whatever. They want to look at all options.

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Speaker 4: So that could be something that could factor in on drafts.

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Speaker 7: And if they were to trade up I wouldn't imagine

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Speaker 7: it'll be for anything but a linebacker because there's only

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Speaker 7: one in their top twelve that makes sense.

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Speaker 4: For us, and you wouldn't do it for the safety.

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Speaker 7: I don't think they would trade up for Caleb Downs.

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Speaker 7: I think the draft guys will smile on you and

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Speaker 7: he may end up as a twelve type guy for you.

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Speaker 4: Oh maybe you think he can fall to you.

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Speaker 7: I think there's a better chance there's a better chance

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Speaker 7: of Downs falling to you than Sonny.

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Speaker 4: You know what I would hate. I would hate if

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Speaker 4: the Cowboys gave up those two first round picks. To

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Speaker 4: get up and get styles and then at twelve, whoever

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Speaker 4: was at twelve got Caleb Downs. It would have been

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Speaker 4: a good cause then I'd be like, you could have

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Speaker 4: just waited and got Now you don't know that, and

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Speaker 4: that's the hard part about the draft and trading, like

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Speaker 4: you don't know what's going to happen after you, so

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Speaker 4: it's very difficult. But for me, I think if I

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Speaker 4: got either one of those players, I feel really great

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Speaker 4: about it. So the fact that I would be able

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Speaker 4: to still have that other first round pick and I

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Speaker 4: would have gotten Downs would be man, that'd be.

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Speaker 10: A kicking gambler.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, I get it. Yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 7: To Ambar's point, though, I do think that they would

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Speaker 7: rather get it done pre draft so that they could

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Speaker 7: draft honest. Like they say, I think if they walk

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Speaker 7: into the draft with the neat like you're like you're

686
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Speaker 7: shopping hungry. You know what I'm saying, I'm a bad idea.

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Speaker 7: I don't think they want to do that. We can't

688
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Speaker 7: say who they could trade for, but I think there's

689
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Speaker 7: a couple of names that makes sense trade wise, and

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Speaker 7: if they don't pull that off, I think THENVILLE go, hey,

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Speaker 7: we told y'all we was comfortable with the rookie playing

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Speaker 7: mic and that's exactly what we plan the whole time.

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Speaker 7: And whatever rookie that we got at twenty, this was

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Speaker 7: our best player on the board anyway. And they'll go

695
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Speaker 7: in to that talking point. But to Tommy's point, and

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Speaker 7: this is something that we all been saying we normally

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Speaker 7: don't have. When I say well, I mean like social media,

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Speaker 7: people have faith in the Jones is to go be

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Speaker 7: aggressive and do something. But I think that they showed

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Speaker 7: you last year. Wide receiver was an emergency after the draft.

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Speaker 7: Ted McMillan goes eight overall, you didn't even get a

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Speaker 7: chance to get them, but you still need wide receiver.

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Speaker 7: They made it happen. Stephen Jones says some months ago.

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Speaker 7: I believe it was at the Super Bowl at some

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Speaker 7: when there's been like this need, and he said, just

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Speaker 7: like this is me talking when there's been a need,

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Speaker 7: like a unanimous we're bad need, they go after it.

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Speaker 7: If they don't go after it, we thought we was

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Speaker 7: good and we was just wrong. So you can hear

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Speaker 7: from all three of those from Coach Jerry and Steven.

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Speaker 7: Is that they know they bad a linebacker. It's an emergency,

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Speaker 7: it's a need. So I feel like that that they

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they've all They all three said we're not done.

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Speaker 4: They all three made it clear where there's still more

718
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Speaker 4: things that we feel like we got to do with

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Speaker 4: We will come back. Got some injured players. I want

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Speaker 4: We're in the final segment of The Break live from

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Speaker 4: the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star and let's talk

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Speaker 4: about injured guys. Let's talk about some of the guys

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Speaker 4: that are either coming back from injury or had a

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Speaker 4: season last year that was marked with injuries. Let's talk

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Speaker 4: first about Donovan as Araku. Shoty had a quote about him.

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Speaker 4: Let's let's hear what Shotty had to say about Donovan

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Speaker 4: as Araku.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, doing good, moving around well.

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Speaker 17: Again, we'll see. I don't think he'll do much full

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Speaker 17: team stuff during the off season program, but again, spending

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Speaker 17: time with Chadara and some of those guys, just getting

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Speaker 17: to know them.

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Speaker 4: This is the big time of year to do that.

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Speaker 4: He feels great and he's excited. Let me ask you

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Speaker 4: this question, based on the fact that these young guys

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Speaker 4: is his second year, he's entering second year. I personally

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Speaker 4: thought we saw some really prom seeing things from him

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Speaker 4: last year, even though the pass rush wasn't quite what

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Speaker 4: everybody expected. I think the level from what I what

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Speaker 4: I had heard from all the draft gurgrules was that

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Speaker 4: he's going. He's a work in progress when it comes

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Speaker 4: to stop in the run, and I feel like he

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Speaker 4: played that really well, and to me, that's kind of

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Speaker 4: the base level. If you can do that and you

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Speaker 4: have that pass rush ability, I think he can only

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Speaker 4: get better. How much how much of your thoughts about

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Speaker 4: the edge position overall are affected by the fact that

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Speaker 4: he's now having to deal with an injury injury and

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Speaker 4: will miss the off season training and won't be back

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Speaker 4: presumably until training camp.

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Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, it never helps. It's always difficult.

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Speaker 9: I mean we've seen it with so many of the

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Speaker 9: recent players that they've had, like Tyler Geyton, that you know,

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Speaker 9: these are important parts of the process and these are

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Speaker 9: important reps that that you're missing out on. The good

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Speaker 9: news is he's expected to be full go for training camp.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 9: That's the best thing that you can ask for, because

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Speaker 9: that's the most arguably the most important time of the

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Speaker 9: year in terms of you get that time to ramp

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Speaker 9: up going into the season. I'll say this, I think

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Speaker 9: shadera Uzo Diribe has a chance to be the best assistant.

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Speaker 8: Coach that the staff hired this offseason. I think that.

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Speaker 9: What he did at Georgia was so good and he

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Speaker 9: has a chance to do the same thing in the NFL.

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Speaker 9: If he does, I think we're looking at a really

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Speaker 9: good coach here. That was one of the better hires

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Speaker 9: I thought that they made this offseason. Georgia really wanted

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Speaker 9: to keep jaandero Zo Daribe. That came down to the

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Speaker 9: buzzer and the Cowboys were able to pluck him away.

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Speaker 9: So if Donovan Azaraku comes back and is more of

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Speaker 9: the pass rush specialists that we saw coming out of

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Speaker 9: Boston College, then you know you're looking at a really

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Speaker 9: good player. I think that is it good that you

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Speaker 9: saw him defend the run better last year?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely?

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Speaker 9: If you thought a guy wasn't as great at it

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Speaker 9: and then he comes out and is pretty solid at

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Speaker 9: setting the edge despite being an undersized guy for the position,

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Speaker 9: then you take that every day of the week. But

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Speaker 9: now it's okay, can you go back to what we

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Speaker 9: saw when you were leaving the nation in sacks?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: And I think that development is very important and so

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Speaker 9: obviously missing the offseason is a big ding there. But

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Speaker 9: yourd thing is again he's on the field of training

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Speaker 9: camp and you hope that he can pick up where

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Speaker 9: he left off and grow some more.

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Speaker 7: I actually went back to watch a little bit of

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Speaker 7: donnez rock Who's pass rushes, because I just wanted to

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Speaker 7: get more context on what was out there. And one

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Speaker 7: thing that'll bother the hell out y'all when y'all go

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Speaker 7: back and watch, is that the ball came out so fast.

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Speaker 7: The ball was just out so fast, and there are

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Speaker 7: many opportunities where donvinz Rock who could have gotten a

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Speaker 7: sack or finished, but there was something going on coverage wise.

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Speaker 2: And man, I don't want to talk about no.

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Speaker 4: You talking about the secondary right now? Like, hey, it

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Speaker 4: wasn't Donovan.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to talk about anybody that doesn't work

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Speaker 7: here anymore. But I would imagine if your new coaches

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Speaker 7: do different things to disrupt timing of the offense, you know,

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Speaker 7: not let these wide receivers get free run, the ball

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Speaker 7: won't come out as fast, and that's when some of

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Speaker 7: those pressures turn into sacks. I think Donovan actually got

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Speaker 7: better towards the end of the season. I don't know

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Speaker 7: where all this run defense came from, but shydside of him.

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Speaker 7: You need to do it anyway. But now, Tommy, you

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Speaker 7: said coach.

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Speaker 8: Zo Deribay outside linebackers.

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Speaker 7: I think I think Brandon T. Jackson Jordan. One of

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Speaker 8: Jordan Jordan pass rushed specialist consultant.

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Speaker 7: Now, I'll be watching him on social media's and Rashan

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Speaker 7: Gary out there right now, and boy, just things. Boy,

880
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 7: you just hype happens on it, and I get so

881
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 7: hype on the internet. And the one thing that I

882
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 7: hate is that Donvin nez Rock who's not out there

883
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 7: right now working out with Rashaan Gary and some of

884
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 7: the other rookers that's out there working with him, and

885
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 7: he's he's he's with the Cowboys now. And when you

886
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 7: look at his record, he's gotten sacks out of the

887
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 7: Broncos and the Seahawks, and these are guys that aren't

888
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 7: even like sack guys like that Zach Allen for the Broncos,

889
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 7: he had his best pass rushing year. He's like a

890
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 7: three hundred pounds, like four tech type of guy that

891
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 7: doesn't really pass rushing. Coach Jordan made him like a

892
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 7: pass rush type guy. So I'm like, man, imagine what

893
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 7: he's gonna do for the real Bendi guys, for the

894
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,479
Speaker 7: guys that actually get after it. And it just sucks

895
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 7: that Donovan can't be a part of that right now.

896
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 7: But campus is important and that's gonna be where it

897
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 7: all comes together. But I just think that this part,

898
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 7: like Donovan missing this leading in the camp is huge.

899
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 2: But I think be fine.

900
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 9: That's another highre that could prove to be very important.

901
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 9: He's not even technically on the staff, but BT Jordan

902
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 9: for years and years and years has worked with some

903
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 9: of the NFL's best pass rushers and help get them better.

904
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 9: So if he does the same thing for Dallas and

905
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 9: you can see his cantier career only continue to grow.

906
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: How does that work?

907
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 7: Like if he's not on the staff but he like work,

908
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 7: what does how does that work?

909
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 9: He'll come in a couple of days throughout the week

910
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 9: and he'll work with pass rushers in practice, but it

911
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 9: is a consultant role, so he's consulting on like, hey,

912
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 9: here's some things we feel like you can tweak and

913
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 9: do better technique wise. But that's not necessarily specific. He

914
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 9: is still free to go and work with other clients

915
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 9: that he has.

916
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 7: He gets a break everywhere, right, He's very good at

917
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 7: what he come on first round peaks.

918
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 10: What do you think see I get very pessimistic when

919
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 10: he comes to injuries and people recovering and going through

920
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 10: their rehab, because obviously you root forer and all of that,

921
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 10: but most often, most often than not, it takes them

922
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 10: at least a year to get back in shape. And

923
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 10: that's if they don't regress or get another hit or

924
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 10: reinjure themselves. It is not very likely that you get

925
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 10: a guy like Overshown during that first injury and he

926
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 10: comes back the next year and he plays the way

927
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 10: that he did. It usually doesn't happen that way. So

928
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 10: it's just very discouraging for a guy like him that

929
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 10: you want need too. So young, so talented. Obviously he's

930
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 10: gonna get he's gonna recover and everything. It might just

931
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 10: be just fine, But in a year like this where

932
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 10: you do need that help, it's just it really sucks.

933
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 10: And it sucks because I would imagine he also feels

934
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 10: that kind of added pressure. Yeah, and it's just unfair

935
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 10: in that, you know, you start thinking, oh, man, I

936
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 10: gotta step it up this year, but then you can't

937
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 10: accelerate recovery. So it's just a tough spot to be in.

938
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 10: But he he's shown so many great things.

939
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 7: I would feel so much better if the Cowboys got

940
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 7: like one more big guy, like one more you know,

941
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 7: God has been the lead, has been doing it for

942
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 7: a little longer, and maybe make Donovan like your third

943
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 7: type rusher. I would love that. And then Donovan and

944
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 7: your pass rush, your your new rookie that you draft

945
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 7: more than likely could be your third and fourth rusher,

946
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 7: and then Sam and James Houston be five and six.

947
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 7: If you're gonna lean on Donovan with the with the

948
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 7: question marks you have about him now A, I feel you,

949
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 7: but I would much much And it does have to

950
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 7: be a big fish, like some disgrownup player that you

951
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 7: got to trade a bunch of capital for. Like he

952
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 7: doesn't have to be a nine to nine on Madden,

953
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 7: but he could just be like a Rashawn Gary type

954
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 7: guy that's right up there, that can push Donovan down

955
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 7: just a little bit, just to add to your rotation.

956
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 7: But we'll see what happens, all.

957
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 4: Right, real quick, we don't have a lot of time.

958
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 4: Let's real quick. Hear what Shotty had to say about

959
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 4: the two cornerbacks, dron Bland and Savone Rebel.

960
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 17: Yeah, doing good moving around Well again, we'll see. I

961
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 17: don't think he'll do much team stuff during the off

962
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 17: season program, but again spending time with Chadeara and some

963
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 17: of those guys, just getting to.

964
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 6: Darn and we talk about where those two corners are drawn,

965
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 6: and Revel Laar and their rehab.

966
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 17: Yeah, both doing good. Doran's been up and around to

967
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 17: see me. He's one of the guys that's been great.

968
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 17: He comes up on the office and just says hello

969
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 17: and checks in and we visit a lot. He's doing great,

970
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 17: feels really good. And I've seen Vonn out my window

971
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 17: with like Julius Wood doing some drills and stuff on

972
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 17: their own outside, and I know he's really excited about

973
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 17: the new additions of not just Christian but Derek Ansley,

974
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 17: Ryan Smith and Rob Muschamplin.

975
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: All right, here's my question for you guys on the cornerbacks.

976
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 4: How much do you how much do you attribute what

977
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 4: we saw last year from them? Because I would think

978
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 4: both of them probably would agree it wasn't their best work.

979
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 4: How much do you attribute their their health to what

980
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 4: we saw last year? And if so, how comfortable do

981
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 4: you feel going into this season with them penciled in

982
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 4: as your starters at cornerback, with the presumption they'll be

983
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 4: healthier than they were last year.

984
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 7: I'll just be honest, man, even when Bland was healthy,

985
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 7: I didn't see him as a cornerback one that'll going

986
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 7: shut down the side. Shoty said, I don't know if

987
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 7: you just said in this Clipper, I wouldn't listen all

988
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 7: the way.

989
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: But I do know that.

990
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 7: Because I seen the clip, so I got a good

991
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 7: feel what it's saying. But Shoddy did say that they

992
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 7: didn't want Bland in the Nickel, that they wanted him

993
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 7: as an outside guy and that he could shut the

994
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 7: side down. I don't necessarily see Bland in that way,

995
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 7: but Bland his money guy. So what I'm curious about

996
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 7: Kobe Durant. I feel like it's gonna be better than

997
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,959
Speaker 7: those guys, just based on what I've seen. I wonder

998
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 7: if Rebel has a ridiculous offseason and he emerges, they

999
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 7: say that they want another nickel player that's not here

1000
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 7: now they draft that guy. Jalen Thompson is also gonna

1001
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 7: play nickel. I wonder is it a world where Bland

1002
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 7: doesn't play next year because he's a he's a guy,

1003
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 7: he's been here, he's money guy, so he should be

1004
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 7: the guy starting but I wonder if other guys play

1005
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 7: better than him, And it could be you know, it

1006
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 7: could be Blaande's foot, he doesn't come back, he's not

1007
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 7: confident on it, or just whatever he has to set back.

1008
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1009
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 7: I wonder if the Cowboys are willing to sit Bland,

1010
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 7: if other corners are better than him.

1011
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 4: So let me ask you this, did you see what

1012
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 4: you saw last year?

1013
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 2: Sure?

1014
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 4: Do you think that maybe that could have been affected

1015
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 4: by the fact that he was essentially splitting time they

1016
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,479
Speaker 4: had him working in the nickel a lot. He's working

1017
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 4: in a slot and maybe he is an outside guy,

1018
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 4: much more of an outside guy. And if you say, hey, Dron,

1019
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 4: we just want you to focus on being outside, can

1020
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 4: he be what you would expect him to be, because

1021
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 4: there have been times in his career when we all

1022
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 4: thought he's that kind of cornerback. Do you think that

1023
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 4: maybe that's part of it?

1024
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 7: Man, I don't know how much Flue is, you know,

1025
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 7: I don't know how much of it.

1026
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 4: We're not going to talk about him.

1027
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 7: I don't know if it was him moving from nickel

1028
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 7: to but when Bland was healthy, he was fine moving

1029
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 7: from nickel to outside. Even that year when he broke

1030
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 7: the pick six records whatever. I always go back to

1031
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 7: the Seahawks game. He had the one on one with

1032
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 7: Metcalf and Metcals was whooping on him. They had to

1033
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 7: call Gilmore. Gilmore did that, then Blane was better with

1034
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 7: the second guy. I just can't forget that moment. And

1035
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 7: maybe I don't know where he's at with his you know,

1036
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 7: rehab and all that, but I I just wonder if

1037
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 7: questions continue to pop up for Bland, are they, I

1038
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 7: want to say, brave enough. Are they comfortable enough? If

1039
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 7: Rever emerges. Covid Durant is who I think he is

1040
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 7: a rookie, maybe you draft the lane d Lane falls

1041
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 7: Tigue and he's the better guy. I wonder if they'll

1042
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 7: sit Bland.

1043
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 10: Is what I think they've shown you even last year,

1044
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 10: that they're not scared to sit people.

1045
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 4: Out this coaching. He's yeah, so he will.

1046
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 10: He will definitely do that. So I think to your point,

1047
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 10: if these other guys do emerge and they start playing

1048
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 10: better and showing you something better, I don't doubt for

1049
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 10: a second that they would make the decision that benefits

1050
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 10: the team the most and sit whoever down, no matter

1051
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 10: their position, or ranking.

1052
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: I would say, I feel you.

1053
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 7: But I've also watched game Days and I was like, Yo,

1054
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 7: why is Mizi playing so much? Why is Zeke playing

1055
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 7: so much?

1056
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 4: But we're talking we're not talking about saying coaching staff though.

1057
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 7: It could it could be whatever it is. It could

1058
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 7: be from the top down. We're saying, hey, Bland's, we're

1059
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 7: paying bland is we need him to play. I don't

1060
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 7: know what goes into coaching dynamics. I don't know how

1061
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 7: much the Joneses have a saying it or whatever. I'm

1062
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 7: just saying, based on my cowboy history, there's always been

1063
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 7: times where I'm like, man, dog, I know this dude

1064
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 7: getting money, but he ain't. You know what I'm saying,

1065
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 7: That they like even Jayalen Tober for a while. It

1066
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 7: took a while for Jalen Tober to just not show

1067
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 7: up anymore, you know what I'm saying. And no deucepad

1068
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 7: to Jaya Tobe. He played for Miami now. But I

1069
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 7: just wonder if there are sitbacks with bland with new money,

1070
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 7: will they see them. That's just what I'm curious about.

1071
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 9: Well, they paid us, so Diggi's are twenty million dollars

1072
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 9: a year. He's one of the biggest leaders in the

1073
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 9: locker room, and they traded him this offseason, so I

1074
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 9: don't think that they're necessarily wary of moving on from

1075
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 9: guys if it just doesn't work.

1076
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: Mr is another one, but go ahead.

1077
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 9: I think I think the foot was a real issue

1078
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 9: with Bland for a majority of the year last year,

1079
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 9: and any defensive back playing on a bad foot is

1080
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 9: not going to play well. Is the moving around, playing

1081
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 9: in different spots part of it?

1082
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: Sure?

1083
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 9: Maybe I think he's a better outside corner than he

1084
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 9: is a nickel corner, and so you would. I hope

1085
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 9: that this is the year where if he comes back

1086
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 9: fully healthy, that Fitts not on an issue anymore.

1087
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 8: He can do that. So we'll see if that is

1088
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 8: the case.

1089
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 9: Revel I wouldn't put too much stock in anything from

1090
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 9: last year. The knee was still a problem and the

1091
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 9: brace especially was hampering his movement. So if he can

1092
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 9: be fully healthy this offseason and he goes through the

1093
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Speaker 9: training off season training program, if he goes through training

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Speaker 9: camp fully healthy, I think that's gonna work wonders for him.

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Speaker 9: I still think he can be a really good player.

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Speaker 9: What I'm my thing about and I know we have

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Speaker 9: to get out of here, so I'll make this brief.

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Speaker 9: My thing about the way that the Cowboys have handled

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Speaker 9: this offseason, I think they've This is just my personal opinion.

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Speaker 8: I think they've done it backwards.

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Speaker 9: They've put so much into the secondary, Whereas I feel

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Speaker 9: like if they were going to invest anywhere, I think

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Speaker 9: it should have been the front seven. And sure you

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Speaker 9: still needed to add everywhere on your defense, but I

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Speaker 9: think that's where everything starts. Your past rush is what

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Speaker 9: affects the quarterback and what makes your secondary's job a

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Speaker 9: lot easier. So I don't know if they've done enough

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Speaker 9: in the past rush department yet, and we've still got time.

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Speaker 9: They still very well could to be able to make

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Speaker 9: me feel confident with the secondary pieces they have added,

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Speaker 9: to be able to see improvement on defense. They're going

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Speaker 9: to get to improve on defense regardless. It's impossible not

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Speaker 9: to almost, but I think that if I was to

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Speaker 9: invest resources, it would be in the past rush department,

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Speaker 9: and they had their chances there. They tried, some things

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Speaker 9: didn't necessarily happen, so we'll see. But that's just my

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Speaker 9: personal philosophy.

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Speaker 4: The one thing I'll say is I think what Fodger

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Speaker 4: said a little earlier. Is the direct answer to what

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Speaker 4: your argument is there, which is maybe what they were

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Speaker 4: seeing was our pass rush wasn't as bad as it looked.

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Speaker 4: It looked bad because the secondary was so poor. Sure,

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Speaker 4: that team's able to get the ball out quick, our

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Speaker 4: pass rush had no chance to get there. You give

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Speaker 4: us a better secondary where we can confuse on the

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Speaker 4: back end and force that quarterback to hold the ball

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Speaker 4: tick longer, we're and get a lot more sacks because

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Speaker 4: we have the people to be able to do it.

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Speaker 4: We can get to the quarterback. And by the way,

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Speaker 4: that doesn't mean they're done. They could also look to

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Speaker 4: find someone else solidified. But they may look at as

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Speaker 4: we say with Donovan as Aerroku. They may look at

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Speaker 4: as Aroku and say, we think we got something there

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Speaker 4: from a pass rush standpoint, We just got to do

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Speaker 4: something on the back end to give him a chance.

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Speaker 4: We gave him no chance last year because of what

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Speaker 4: was happening in the secondary. That I don't know, but

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Speaker 4: that would be my guess is that may be why

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Speaker 4: they're pointing so much in the secondaries, because they thought

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Speaker 4: their secondary last year was really, really poor.

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Speaker 9: Sure, I understand I just think too, their pass rush

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Speaker 9: was very poor as well. They just not did not

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Speaker 9: affect the quarterback regardless of how quickly they got the

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Speaker 9: ball out. Sure, that's part of partially on the secondary,

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Speaker 9: but I mean the secondary wasn't great the year before

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Speaker 9: that too, when they had Michael Parsons and they were

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Speaker 9: still getting after the quarterback more than they did in

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Speaker 9: twenty twenty five. So, sure, you have a world beater

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Speaker 9: coming off the edge for you, but at the same time,

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Speaker 9: you know, is the secondary better? Yes, I don't know

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Speaker 9: if it's better enough to the point where I say, okay,

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Speaker 9: I feel like they can get you more pressures or

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Speaker 9: a covered sacks. Now, I don't know if they've improved

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Speaker 9: to that degree.

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Speaker 2: Donovan Wilson's another one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well I will say this, you can't have too

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Speaker 4: many good cornerbacks, right, No, So when you look at

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Speaker 4: all these guys and let's say they add some more

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Speaker 4: and they have even more than what they got now,

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Speaker 4: you can't have too many good ones. So it's a

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Speaker 4: good thing. It's a positive thing because I think over

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Speaker 4: the last few years it seemed like at times they

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Speaker 4: ran short on cornerbacks. And He's like, who they're gonna

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Speaker 4: put out there. They just don't have any guys and

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Speaker 4: how many bodies left, so I think that's a good

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Speaker 4: thing for them. Appreciate you guys joining us. We'll be

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