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I went upstairs and I sat 28 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: in his room and I just went to I need 29 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: you to know that I haven't changed. I love you 30 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: more than you will ever know, and he went. 31 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: Before we jump into this episode, I'd like to invite 32 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: you to join this community to hear more interviews that 33 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: will help you become happier, healthier, and more healed. All 34 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: I want you to do is click on the subscribe button. 35 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: I love your support. It's incredible to see all your 36 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: comments and we're just getting started. I can't wait to 37 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: go on this journey with you. Thank you so much 38 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: for subscribing. It means the world to me. 39 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 2: The number one health and wellness podcast, say, said Jay. 40 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: James. It is truly a honor and privilege to have 41 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: you here today because I have to be honest with you. 42 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: I've been a huge, huge, huge fan ever since Smithy 43 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: and Comic Relief. And I was at the Grove just 44 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago and I was remembering how 45 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,839 Speaker 1: that's get started. There we're walking, yeah, and you walk 46 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: into one of the rooms and you're with me. And 47 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 1: so I've been such a huge fan from day one 48 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: and watching you and admiring your journey, seeing you go 49 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: crushing from the UK through to the US, and you know, 50 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: I moved to the US a few years after you did, 51 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: but just getting to see the impact you had there, 52 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: the amazing, amazing content that you've created, I'm a big 53 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,399 Speaker 1: fan of, whether it's Spilly your Guts or Cardboard Carryoku, 54 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: every single segment you guys produced, such a huge fan 55 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: and so to be able to sit with you and 56 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: even a few moments we've just spent together off camera, 57 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: I've already enjoyed your company, but I wanted to start 58 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: off by just saying I'm a huge fan and thank 59 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: you for doing this. 60 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: I'm a huge very great yours. I think what you've 61 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: done is is really quite extraordinary. Actually, I really think. 62 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: I think it's actually deeper than a successful podcast or 63 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: show or booke. I think what you've done, really I think, 64 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: and I'm sure I'm certainly not the first person to 65 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: say this to you, is you've created like a safe 66 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: place for people to talk about, to talk about mental health, health, everything, 67 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: you know. What I mean feeling is the depth that 68 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: I think is. Of course, we're more aware of today 69 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: than we were a decade ago and certainly a decade 70 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: before that, and I think you're You're a real big 71 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: part of that. I'm a real fan of the show 72 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: and it's given me a lot over the years. So 73 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: it's a real thrill to be here. And I hope 74 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 2: I can be deep enough to fulfill the needs required 75 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: you know, well. 76 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: For everyone, everyone who doesn't know. Everything that James was 77 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: saying to me off camera just novel like James, save it. 78 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: I need you to say it again because it was 79 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: so it was perfect. But James, I was thinking about this, 80 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,119 Speaker 1: I was looking at your journey and I was saying, 81 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: like you went from writing right Gavin and Stacey amazing success, 82 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: gone to the West End, amazing success, Broadway Tony Award, 83 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: amazing success, then moving off into Late Night, amazing success. 84 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: And there was something I was observing about you, and 85 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: I felt that what I saw in you was someone 86 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: who had the ability to continuously disrupt themselves, take risks, 87 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: and innovate when it seemed like there was a clear path. 88 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: And I wonder whether what's the decision you've made right 89 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: now is almost the same thing that you've said, I 90 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: don't want the safe option. I'm willing to take the risk. 91 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? 92 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: Yes? I think so. I mean, it's really lovely of 93 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 2: you to say that there's also misses in the middle 94 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 2: of that, you know what I mean, at least very 95 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: important to say that that curve could also be looked, 96 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,799 Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? There's as many misses 97 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: as there is hits. You just want to keep that 98 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: ratio as clean as you can. You know, in the 99 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: sort of last sort of six months since finishing the show, 100 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: and then the few months before that after when we 101 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: announced that we were on the show, lots of people 102 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: would say, you know, they would ask why you're doing 103 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 2: this and why would you leave such a thing and 104 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: such a contract and offer and all those things, which 105 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: I completely understand. I've always been able to separate work 106 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: and life and that the two one shouldn't outweigh the other. 107 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: Does that make sense that actually you have to go, well, 108 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 2: I know that for my career, Ruth and I could 109 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: have Ruth Jones, who I co wrote Gavin and Stacey with, 110 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 2: which was a show that became successful in the UK. 111 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,239 Speaker 2: We could of course have carried on writing that show 112 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,119 Speaker 2: and making more episodes of that show. But I don't 113 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: know that that was at the time feeding our life. 114 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 2: You know, I wasn't feeding mine, it wasn't feeding Ruth's. 115 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 2: It was like, we've done that, it's time to stop. 116 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 2: We have to do something else. And then, you know, 117 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: I love being in plays. I love being in the theater. 118 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: And when I was in One Man, Two Governors or 119 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 2: The History Boys, there was a path where you could say, well, 120 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 2: I could carry on doing this, and there were moments 121 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: or opportunities to perhaps go and do another play after that, 122 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: but it was like, well, I don't know that that's 123 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 2: going to feed my life. So I think the key 124 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: from or what I'm trying to do is go, well, 125 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: if my work is feeding my life and my family, 126 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: then it's of benefit and if it isn't, then it 127 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 2: won't be. And I think some people perhaps often just 128 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: look at their career as being the primary thing in 129 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: their life. Well, the work is the thing. I'm going 130 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: to do this, and I'm going to do that. Then 131 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: I'm going to do this. Then I'm going to do that, 132 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: and you have to go no, no, But but how 133 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: is that feeding your life and your soul and who 134 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: you are as a friend, son, brother, husband, father, you know? 135 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: And that's the thing I think I've always thought about. 136 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: So the decision to end the show had nothing to 137 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: do with not enjoying it anymore. It had nothing to 138 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: do with it not being fun. Financially, of course it 139 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: was fantastic, But then it got to a point where 140 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: it was like, is it feeding me and us as 141 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: a family. Is this environment what we want now I 142 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: don't think it is. Okay, well then we're going to 143 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: then we're just going to turn it over and shake 144 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: it and see what it is the other side of that. 145 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: The thing I keep coming back to all the time 146 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: in my in my life a lot recently is just 147 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: to constantly say, well, we don't know yet. We don't know. 148 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: I don't know yet. I can't tell you if it 149 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: was a good thing or a bad thing to stop 150 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 2: the show. I don't know. I will only know in 151 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: a year or two years or maybe five years time, 152 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: because you just don't know. You don't know at all. 153 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: You know in the same time that you might accept 154 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,119 Speaker 2: a role over here, and when you get that job, 155 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: people are going, oh my god, this is the greatest 156 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: thing ever. And you say, well, we don't know. Me 157 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 2: and my friend Louis wrote dear friend of mine, Louis 158 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 2: who moved to America to come and write on the 159 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 2: Late Late Show, you know, uprooted his family and moved. 160 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: Oh oh, he didn't have a family at the time, 161 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: had two kids. In the eight and a half years 162 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: we were there, we wrote a TV show together which 163 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: got picked up at Hulu or I wasn't going to 164 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: be in it. We just created this show. And then 165 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 2: a few months later we wrote two scripts and they 166 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: really love the first that we wrote the second script 167 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: and they said, look, we're just we're not going to 168 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: make this show happens all the time, and I was 169 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: really bummed. And my friend Louis said the best thing. 170 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: He was like, look, if they'd have picked it up, 171 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: it might have been the worst thing. It's whoever happened 172 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: to it. We might have fallen out, we might have 173 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 2: who knows what would have happened. It might have been 174 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 2: a disaster. We just don't know. 175 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have no idea, Yeah, I don't know anything. 176 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: You've reminded me of this beautiful zen story where a 177 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: farmer finds a new horse. You know the story. Yeah, Yeah, 178 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: the farmer finds a new horse and everyone's excited and 179 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: they're like, wow, this beautiful horse you just came upon it, 180 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: Like how lucky are you? And he says good thing, 181 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: bad thing? Who knows? Yeah, And then his son's riding 182 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: the horse and he looks incredible. But then all of 183 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: a sudden, he gets tipped off the horse and his 184 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: son falls off and breaks his leg, and everyone's like, 185 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: oh no, this is the worst thing ever, Like if 186 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: only you didn't bring that horse in, And he says 187 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: good thing, bad thing? 188 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 2: Who knows? 189 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: And the story continues. And hearing you say that, it's 190 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: really honest of you to share that, though, because I 191 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: think sometimes when we make a decision, we often feel 192 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: like we have to convince ourselves it's the best decision 193 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: in order to make it through. But for you to 194 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: actually have the vulnerability to say I actually don't know 195 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: that takes a lot of courage. 196 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 2: Well, I do know that that ending the show. I 197 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: do know that the reasons for it are absolutely right, 198 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: no question. But you don't know. You don't know how 199 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: those things will. You just don't know, you don't know 200 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: any of it. So if you can accept all of it, 201 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: if you can just say, well, this is this is it, 202 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: this is life. What we're doing now, me and you 203 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: sitting here, this is it. We're doing it. You're alive. 204 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: And I think sometimes the expectation of stuff is the 205 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: thing which really ruins stuff. Your expectation of what holiday 206 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: might be, your expectation of what Christmas Day was going 207 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: to be like. The is actually the problem the thing 208 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: that happened on holiday, or the argument you had on 209 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: Christmas Day. That's not really the issue. I didn't have 210 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: an argument on Christmas Day. I'm just using it as example. 211 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: That's the thing I think is your expectation of well, 212 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 2: when I do this, my life will be like that. 213 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 2: And I think my life, I think I've thought that 214 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: a lot of my life when I get my driver's license, 215 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 2: my life will be like this. When I get a girlfriend, 216 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 2: my life, when I get my when I move out 217 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 2: of my parents' house, my life is going to be 218 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: like this. And it's not it isn't it can't be. 219 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 2: It's and what it is will be amazing. You're going 220 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 2: to be alive, you know. And I think I just 221 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: feel very accepting of everything now at the moment. 222 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: There's something really beautiful that came out of what you said, 223 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: this idea of reasons over results, Like you know your reasons. 224 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: You don't know what the result will be, but you're 225 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: sure about your reasons, and that's something we can all 226 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: practice and take on. Like, I think that's something everyone 227 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: who's watching can apply. That you never know the result 228 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: of your decision, you don't know how it's going to 229 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: pan out, but you can be sure. 230 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 2: About your reasons without question. 231 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: And if you feel clear about those and. 232 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: To recalibrate, perhaps what success is and that's I think 233 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: a big issue in a broader society. What is success? 234 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 2: Success is not this amount of money. It's not this 235 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: amount of gold statues and trophies. You know, you've got 236 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: to look at it as a whole it's really interesting 237 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: if there are numerous people who talk about the night 238 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: that they won an Academy Award as being the loneliest 239 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: night of their life, and yet for us looking in 240 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: on that, you look and go, oh my god, that 241 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 2: this is incredible. I would give anything. 242 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: Do you think that is? 243 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 2: Because I think it's more the climb is the thing. 244 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: The top of a mountain I think can be quite 245 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 2: a isolating experience actually, and the climb to the top 246 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: of it is. And of course when you get that, 247 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 2: it's amazing because you go, oh my god, we did 248 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, we did it. It's like 249 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: someone that takes a helicopter to the top of Everest 250 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 2: is not going to have the same experience as a 251 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: person who's climbed it. Absolutely you're looking at the same view, 252 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: but it's going to be it's going to feel very 253 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 2: very difficiure. I also think it's it's an incredibly you know, 254 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: the anxiety of it, that the fear of it, I 255 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: can only I don't know. I'm not I don't know, 256 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: I can only imagine. And so I think because I 257 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: think that what you realize is that the doing of 258 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: the work and the climb of it is the thing 259 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 2: that is the most satisfying, And how can there be 260 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: such a thing as best? Yeah, how ever, you can 261 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 2: be the fastest runner over one hundred meters. That's not 262 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: up for debate, you saying Bolt, you are the fastest 263 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: runner over one hundred meters. You can't be the best films. 264 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: That's impossible. 265 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's more subjective. 266 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: Of course it is and should be. 267 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, where did your drive for success come from? You 268 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: just said that you've realized now that success is not 269 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, the bank balance or this or that these 270 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: specific things. Where did your initial drive for success come from? 271 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: Did you always define success in a particular way or 272 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: was it just what you think everyone in our generation 273 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: was almost chasing? 274 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think for me really from I 275 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:54,359 Speaker 2: really don't remember a time that I didn't want to perform. 276 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: I just don't remember a time that I didn't want 277 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: to just perform. 278 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: Did you perform at school and at home and. 279 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: In everywhere everywhere? I would call it performing. I'm sure 280 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: some people would call it showing off? My mum, would 281 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: you know, oscillate between the two? Stop showing off? Still? 282 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: You know, like I just I just loved I just loved. 283 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: I loved performing in in in any shape or form, 284 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: school play, church, playground. I just I really really loved it. 285 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 2: Like I can remember so vividly the first time I 286 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: was ever sort of on what we call a stage. 287 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: So we grew up in I was we were a 288 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: family that we're in the Savage Army, which is a church, 289 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: but that's also a charity. And like any church you're 290 00:15:55,160 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: born into, you think that this is completely normal, you know, 291 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: any church you're wanting to, and then like whether we 292 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: you know, we would like put on a uniform and 293 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: we would my dad would you know, occasionally march down 294 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: the road in a brass band and we would do 295 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: Christmas caroling and I would play the trumpet, and you 296 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: just thought, well, this is just completely life. And then 297 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: you get to about fifteen and you're like, guys, this 298 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: is really weird. But it was essentially a church and 299 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: that's what we'd go to. And a church, from what 300 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: I can really work out now retrospectively, was perhaps full 301 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 2: of the least Christian people I've ever met in my life, 302 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: you know, like many churches, you know, and its core 303 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: good infect it with people become something very very different 304 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: and and So we're in high wickhambe in Buckham Shehar 305 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: and my sister was three, No four, My sister Ruth 306 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: was four and it was her christening, and we were 307 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: on the platform, which was you know, tall, intensive purposes, 308 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 2: looked felt like a stage to me, and the savage 309 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: army officer, the vicar, the priest I couldn't see because 310 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: I was, you know, quite smart. He said, let's get 311 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 2: James a chair, and I stood on this chair and 312 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 2: I could just see there was maybe, I don't know, 313 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 2: thirty people in the congregation, it looked like a thousand, 314 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 2: and I just started like pulling these faces and turned 315 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: around and looked back through my legs and people are chuckling, 316 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: and I was like, well, this feels fantastic. And then 317 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,239 Speaker 2: what I really remember is sitting back down in the 318 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: congregation and I was sat between my mum and dad 319 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: and person's back is in front of me, and I 320 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 2: remember being like, well, this is boring. This is nearly 321 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 2: as much fun as being up there. And I was 322 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: seven at the time, and No I was four, and 323 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: my sister was obviously a newborn, so I was four, 324 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: and I remember just thinking, well, this is that's that's it. 325 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: Now life is a quest to be up there as 326 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: much as possible. 327 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: Oh that's beautiful. 328 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: So I think that's what I always thought successful was 329 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: like my my absolute ambitions were to be in a 330 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: West End musical. That was it. That was like, that 331 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: was the peak and literally it was a road away 332 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 2: from where we are now at the Prince Edward Theater 333 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 2: and I was seventeen and Inner musical and I was 334 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 2: I honestly genuinely was like, well that's it for me. 335 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 2: I will it cannot be greater than this. That's how 336 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 2: that's where my absolute ambitions were, to be just on 337 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: a West End stage. 338 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: That's verytacular. I mean you said there were missus naturally 339 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: in the journey that I laid out in the beginning. 340 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: I wonder what were some of the most painful or 341 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: tough missus, whether when you were younger, as you got older, 342 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: what were the ones that you look to and say, 343 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: I'd love people to know about this or learn about this, 344 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: because when you look at it from the outside, it 345 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: is easy to see. But these are the couple that 346 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: maybe would surprise us. 347 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: Well, well, there's things that you do that just naturally 348 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 2: aren't very good. That's the first you know what I mean. 349 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: There's things that you do and they're not they're not 350 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 2: very good. Those things you understand why they didn't connect 351 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: because they're not very good, you know. And oddly I 352 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 2: don't feel a sort of sense of any disappointment in 353 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: that area, do you know what I mean? Because someone 354 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 2: asked me once because I was in that film. I 355 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: was in that film Cats, right of the musical Cats 356 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: and that you know, I haven't seen it, but like 357 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 2: by all accounts, not good and didn't do very well. 358 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: And someone said to me, oh God, do you regret that. 359 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 2: I was like, no, I'll do it again. I had 360 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: a great time. You have to separate sometimes your own 361 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: experience and the outcome of a project, because you can 362 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 2: do things that do really well, but at that time 363 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: in your life it was a disaster. 364 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: Do you know what I meant? 365 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 2: And at the same time, at the same time, you 366 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 2: can do stuff which isn't good, but actually you had 367 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 2: a really great you know what I mean. You know, 368 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: when we were shooting Cats, we had an afternoon and 369 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: I sat in this weird green suit with dots on 370 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 2: your face with Ian McKellen and Judy Dench and I 371 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: wouldn't swap that friend to literally sit and talk to 372 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 2: Syrian McKellen and Dame Judy Dench about I couldn't tell 373 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: you what we talked about. I can't tell you if 374 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 2: it you know. And I was like, well, how lucky 375 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 2: am I? This is extraordinary? So I think I did this. 376 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 2: I did a TV show which came out I think 377 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 2: about maybe just two years ago now, maybe eighteen months ago, 378 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 2: which was Amazon called Mammals, which I was really proud of, 379 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 2: and I really, I really hoped that people would find 380 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: that and they didn't. That's the only that's the only 381 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: thing that I look at and I think, ah, because 382 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 2: it got reviewed. Well, it's written by I think the 383 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 2: best living playwright at the moment, you know, or certainly 384 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: young living playwright called Jez Butterworth, who wrote like Jerusalem 385 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 2: and The Ferryman and Mojo, but then also wrote Skyfall 386 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 2: and Specter and Indiana Jones. And it was me and 387 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 2: Sally Hawkins and Melia Cralling. And that's that's the only 388 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: That's what I would say. That's the only thing that 389 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: I go, Ah, I wonder what we could have done 390 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 2: differently to make people find it, But then we don't 391 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 2: know yet. 392 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't know, We don't know. You don't know 393 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: when it's going to take off again, Like I love 394 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: hearing about but even if. 395 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 2: It doesn't, don't you know who know? You know what 396 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 2: I mean? Like you just you just have to. 397 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: I love what you just said, mate. I love that 398 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: perspective of the idea that and I can relate to that. 399 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: I've had moments in my life where I'm having one 400 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: of my biggest external career wins, but I didn't have 401 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: the right people around me to celebrate it with, and 402 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: therefore it's not as gratifying or as celebratory, or it's 403 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: not as meaningful, whereas you could have had something that 404 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: externally like no one cared, but you had the people 405 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: around you where you knew what you'd built and you 406 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: knew what you'd created. And I love that that resonated 407 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: so strongly, honestly. 408 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: Well, also the notion that I don't know. The way 409 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 2: I see it is every single day your life can 410 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 2: get turned over and flipped on its head in a 411 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 2: phone call. Every single day. Like I used to say 412 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 2: that to my wife Julia all the time when we 413 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 2: were in Los Angeles, right go. Every day we live 414 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: here in the phone ring in the middle of the 415 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 2: night to tell us something's happened at home is an 416 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 2: absolute win. It's an absolute win. And you just have 417 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 2: to be so aware that those things are coming and 418 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 2: those things are real, and all the stuff that we're 419 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: talking about over here at work and all those things. 420 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 2: It's it's not it isn't. It isn't those things that 421 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: are just gonna just bang and you're and then you're 422 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 2: talking about life before and after, before and after those moments. 423 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: Like I was talking to a friend of mine the 424 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 2: other day, you know, and I'm forty five, and my 425 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 2: friend said to me, and it's quite a dark thought, 426 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: but actually it's good to He said, We've he said 427 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 2: he's forty five also, and he said, we've we've turned 428 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: the corner into sniper's alley. And I said, what do 429 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 2: you mean. I didn't know what he meant. And he 430 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 2: said to You're now in an alley and suddenly people 431 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: are going to just and you're going to go, oh 432 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: my god. Like it's just that it's that that shift 433 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 2: in life of like, oh, this is where like I'm 434 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 2: very fortunate both my parents are still alive, so that's inevitable. 435 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 2: That's definite, and then you're in this world of just 436 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: absolute unknowns. So I think the older I get, just 437 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: the less I sort of think about work in that way. 438 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 2: I just don't. And maybe because I've had six months 439 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 2: of real reflection, six months of not really doing anything, 440 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 2: you know, started this podcast that I'm really really enjoying. 441 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: Outside of that, I'm writing some stuff. Some of it 442 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 2: I hope people will see. Other stuff I'm certain they 443 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: never will, you know what I mean? And you know, 444 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: and some of it I hope they never will. That's 445 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 2: a terrible idea, you know. And you just don't know. 446 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 2: And so I just think less about work and I 447 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 2: want to think more about my health and all those 448 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 2: all those things. You know. 449 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, walk me through what like, like you've had all 450 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: these transitions in your life, walk me through what your 451 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: reflection process looks like in your head, like just for 452 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: you personally, Like it doesn't have to be systematic or perfect, 453 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: Just what is it? What do you go through? Is 454 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: it looking at going well? Am I helping my family? 455 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: Am I taking care of them? Is that the number 456 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: one thing? Or are there other things that go through 457 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: your head? Because I feel like you've had to make 458 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: some big transitions. 459 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,959 Speaker 2: Well, that's that is that's that's the number one. I 460 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 2: think you're only as happy as your least happy child 461 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: is a wonderful saying, which is without question true. There 462 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: is there is nothing that can happen in your professional 463 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: life that will matter if one of your children is unhealthy, unwell, 464 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 2: either mentally or physically. This is irrelevant. So that's let's 465 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 2: park that as a as a given. Yes, very clear 466 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 2: In terms of my reflection, I mainly I just think 467 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 2: like I'm so aware of time and the and the 468 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 2: and the passage of time, and that this is this 469 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 2: is it, and you have to go, Okay, well, now, 470 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 2: how do you really really want to use your time? 471 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 2: Because I think when I was hosting the show, I 472 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 2: think I probably knew this at the time, but I 473 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: recognize it more now that I think I said yes 474 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 2: a lot, perhaps to too much, because I I just 475 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 2: loved I knew I wasn't going to host that show forever. 476 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 2: I didn't want it to be the end of the book. 477 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: I didn't want it to be the last thing I did, 478 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 2: so I didn't want it to be a shock when 479 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 2: I finished the show and said I'm going to go 480 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 2: back to act again now, because I was very aware 481 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: that there was a lot of people watching that show 482 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: who had no idea that I'd ever acted before. So 483 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 2: I really just said, yes, I'll do it, I'll be there, 484 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 2: I'll do it, and I think I understand my reasons 485 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 2: for it. But now I think mainly the thing I'm 486 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 2: really thinking is forget what you can do, Forget what's possible, 487 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 2: Forget what's in front of you, Forget what's offered to 488 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: you or not offered to you. What do you actually 489 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 2: want to do? What is worthy of your time? What 490 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: is worth not taking your kids to school in the 491 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: morning or picking them up at four o'clock, what other thing? 492 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 2: Because that's really the question you're asking yourself, you know, 493 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 2: And like, I don't have like so much money that 494 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: I don't have to ever work again, I really really don't. 495 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 2: Whatever you might read on the internet, I cannot stress 496 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 2: you untrue. And so you know, it's that thing of 497 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 2: just going, well, what do you what do you want 498 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 2: to do? Is there anything that you want to say? 499 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 2: And if there isn't, then don't and then and it 500 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: will come, It will will it will, it will come. 501 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 2: And you know, it's interesting this since moving back to London, 502 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 2: and I feel in a different cultural space. I'm trying 503 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 2: my absolute best to hit ten thousand steps a day. 504 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 2: That's I'm really, really, really trying to do that. And 505 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: so sometimes I'll just go and once the kids are asleep, 506 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: I'll go and I'll be I'll look and I'm looking 507 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 2: at eight thousand steps and I'm like, babe, she's gonna go. 508 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 2: And and I'll literally walk up and down the road 509 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 2: and to come back in. And in that time of walking, 510 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: I'm starting to feel the notion of like, oh, it's 511 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 2: maybe that's is that an interesting idea, But don't leap 512 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 2: on it. Yes, don't go, that's it. Let's go, let's 513 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 2: book a flight, let's pitch it is to go. I 514 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: let's let it. Let's see if it almost just to 515 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: treat it like a plant, really, and we're going to 516 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 2: water it for a minute, see if there's something there. 517 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: And then and already now I'm like, well, thank god 518 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: I didn't go and tell someone about that. Have you 519 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: ever read that thing about doing the thing? Yes, yes, 520 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 2: I mean that's my I just I just look at 521 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 2: that almost every day, doing the thing. Just do the thing, 522 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 2: don't talk about doing the thing. Don't tweet about doing 523 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: the thing, don't just do the thing. The doing the 524 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: thing is the thing, and that's all I'm really trying 525 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 2: to do. 526 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's fascinating because I find, like, you know, 527 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: you've been performing, as you said, you love performing when 528 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: you're a kid, You've been performing for decades now, and 529 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: it's almost like an identity shift when you stop yourself 530 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: from performing an in a I'm talking about performing in 531 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: a play or in a movie or on stage, Like 532 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: you're not allowing yourself to do something that I feel 533 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: so pure and true, and I can see in your 534 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: eyes when you were talking about it, like brings you 535 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: to life and almost removing yourself away from that requires 536 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: you to rethink your identity a little, like who are 537 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: you today? Or how are you feeling about who you 538 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: are when you're not performing when you've been so used 539 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: to entertaining crowds for so long. 540 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 2: But that's ego. I think that's ego. That's what we're 541 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 2: talking about, is ego. I lived for eight and a 542 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 2: half years what could only be described as a narcissists stream. 543 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? And I cannot stress 544 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 2: how much I think being the host of a late 545 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 2: night TV show is one of the greatest jobs in 546 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: the world. I think it's amazing. I think it is brilliant. Like, 547 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 2: my god, how lucky am I to have done that? 548 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: I think it's amazing. You know. But if you were 549 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 2: an other way and climb you, you know, drive into 550 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 2: a studio lot, you drive past a massive picture of 551 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 2: your face. So that's that's the first thing you see 552 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 2: when you get to work is a huge picture of 553 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 2: your face and your name. You then park in an 554 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 2: amazing parking spot with your name on it. You go in, 555 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 2: like I tee. The thing I miss most about the show, 556 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 2: it was my like I miss seeing there's a great 557 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 2: lady called Tea who was on the front desk and 558 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: see Bess and I would just my interaction with her 559 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: every day. I just grew to love it so much. 560 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 2: Morning Tea, Morning James, how's it going? All good? And 561 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 2: as I walk through the door, she'd say, have a 562 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: good one, and I go, have a good one. And 563 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: it would be a racter who could say, at first 564 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 2: you get in a lift, you come out the lift 565 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 2: to be greeted by another picture of your face. Do 566 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 2: you know it's like another picture of your face and 567 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 2: your name. You turn a corner and then you start 568 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 2: walking up corridor and there is just your name and 569 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 2: faces everywhere, right everywhere. Then you get to say, well, 570 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 2: what are we going to do tonight? Back up, and 571 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 2: then you get to like shoot a sketch with Matt 572 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 2: Damon or drive around in a car with Stevie Wonder. 573 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 2: Then you'll come back into work, get dressed. You work 574 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 2: also in a gang of people who are the funniest 575 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 2: people you've ever met in your life ever, and they 576 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 2: only want to try and make you seem funnier and 577 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 2: that's amazing. And you chat with them and you're hanging 578 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 2: out with them, and then good day, bad day, in 579 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 2: different day. Your day will end with a standing ovation 580 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: right step out of a curtain and four hundred people 581 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 2: will go nuts. And you've got to remember. And the 582 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 2: thing that I would just remember all the time is 583 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 2: the other side of this camera is a sign that 584 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 2: says applause, you know what I mean. There is people 585 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: going it go you know what I mean. And the 586 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 2: walk down from the from the office green room to 587 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: the studio is an amazing change in your psyche because 588 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 2: you're with all you're buying and very slowly. I remember 589 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 2: the first show because really you're in a gang. You're 590 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 2: in a team where you make a late night show. 591 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 2: It's just a gang. You're all making it together. And 592 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 2: then at some point people tap you on the shoulder 593 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 2: and go have a good one. And then you are 594 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 2: surrounded by people. You walk it, microphone, make up, touch 595 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 2: at the You enter a door and you hear, you know, 596 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 2: the other side of this thing. You hear four hundred 597 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 2: people screaming. You're going, okay, that's everybody on your feet. 598 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 2: Let's go. This is how we do that. Another look 599 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 2: at the jar right everywhere. Here we go, let's get around, okay, 600 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 2: and we got five four three, And you find yourself 601 00:33:53,800 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: stood behind a curtain, completely on your own, and suddenly 602 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 2: this team effort, you're just you are on your own, 603 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 2: and the spotlight's behind you. So this this circle is 604 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 2: on the curtain and the shadow of you. And I 605 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 2: used to stand there and open my hands, take a breath. 606 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 2: I would look and I would say to him, I 607 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 2: always have this feeling that my granddad is getting a 608 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 2: real kick out of all this. So he is not 609 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 2: with me in any spiritual sense. He's just in for 610 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 2: the right of it, you know, like I know that 611 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,479 Speaker 2: he just you know, he's a jazz musician. He would 612 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 2: be like, this is fun, Jose, you know, and I 613 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 2: would open my eyes and I would look up and 614 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 2: I would say, be with me, Just be with me, 615 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 2: and be here now and for the next hour. Your 616 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 2: only job is to enjoy yourself as much as you can. 617 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what's happened all day, it doesn't matter 618 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 2: what happens on tomorrow show. You're only a job is 619 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 2: to enjoy this right now. I and I did, and 620 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 2: I you know, we did one one hundred and ninety 621 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 2: eight shows, I think, and I just loved it. I 622 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 2: loved it. So it's a lot to leave behind, it's 623 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 2: a lot to walk away from. But I also think 624 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 2: this period of silence is so good for me. I'm 625 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 2: getting as I'm getting as much or more from this 626 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 2: period now, Like I you know, it's so odd that 627 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,479 Speaker 2: I used to do that every day that then even 628 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 2: speaking to you now, I'm like, God, I haven't spoken 629 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 2: to anybody in this sense. 630 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, since. 631 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 2: April, i'n't done anything, and so it feels odd. You're like, 632 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 2: oh man, this is and the podcast I'm doing I'm 633 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 2: loving because I'm in your chair and I'm but even 634 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 2: now this feels unnatural, and there is a feeling of 635 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 2: like I don't know what I've got to say. But 636 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 2: then you go, but I'm gonna I'm gonna get to 637 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 2: meet Jay, so that would be lovely, you know, So 638 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 2: what is life without it? It's it's great. It's great, 639 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 2: I think because I really really always knew that this 640 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,439 Speaker 2: wasn't going to be forever. I always knew I wanted 641 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 2: to leave before it ebbed away. I just knew that 642 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 2: I wanted to to to do it and then stop 643 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 2: doing it and see if there's something else, and if 644 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 2: there isn't, okay, great, who could wish for more? Do 645 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I guess that's the thing 646 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 2: is I look now and I think I don't want 647 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 2: any more stuff or fame or all those things. Like 648 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 2: what I'd really love to do is go. I wonder 649 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 2: if I've got one more thing to write. I wonder 650 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,760 Speaker 2: if there's one more thing to say, Like I wonder 651 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 2: if there's just something else. 652 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: I don't know yet what a brilliant way to live. 653 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: I mean, when you just said that the idea of 654 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: I knew that it wasn't going to last forever, and 655 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: I didn't want it to. That's so the opposite of 656 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: how we're conditioned to think. Most of us are conditioned 657 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 1: to believe when you find something good, hold on to 658 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: it forever, make sure it lasts forever, because you never know. 659 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: And I love your perspective because I think not only 660 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: is it healthier for the mind and the ego, it's 661 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: actually the reality of life that everything is ephemeral and 662 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: transient and it will move anyway. Yeah, and so you 663 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: wanting to hold onto something that isn't yours to control 664 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,720 Speaker 1: is almost a fool's game anyway. 665 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 2: Well, then you're a kid with a balloon. Yeah, right, 666 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 2: and you got hold I'm never I'm never ever going 667 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 2: to let this balloon go, right, And ignoring for this 668 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 2: for a second, the environmental impact of letting a balloon go. 669 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 2: Let's talk about it just metaphorically. You know that you go, oh, 670 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,879 Speaker 2: this is my balloon, and hold this Broun'd never ever, ever, ever, 671 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 2: ever going to let go of this balloon. In fact, 672 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to go I'm going to tie it to 673 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 2: my wrist so it can't disappear. Because that happened to 674 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 2: me once before, and it you know what I mean, 675 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna just you know, that's it. And then slowly 676 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 2: that balloon will just wilt and it will run out 677 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 2: of the thing that made it great and it will 678 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 2: just then be. Then it's tied to your wrist and 679 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 2: you're dragging it behind you, right, and actually there's something 680 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 2: quite beautiful. And again, environmentally, I'm not encouraging this. We 681 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 2: didn't we didn't know about this when we were kids. 682 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 2: When you let go of a balloon, it's magical, magical. 683 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 2: And then you see it and you're like, oh my god, 684 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 2: I used to have that. I used to hold on 685 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 2: to that and look at it. Now, look it's just 686 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,879 Speaker 2: that's amazing. And then you go and now I haven't 687 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 2: got a balloon. And then you go, well, maybe I'll 688 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 2: get another one. Yeah, maybe there'll be another balloon, and 689 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 2: maybe it'll be a different shape, or it'll be shinier 690 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 2: or whatever. It is. Like, you've got to be able 691 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 2: to let go of stuff to make new things come in. 692 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 2: You've got to have the space and the time to 693 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 2: encounter something new. A friend of mine a year ago, 694 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 2: maybe less, had his heart broken in the most brutal circumstances. 695 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 2: It was his first love, first girlfriend, and they broke 696 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 2: up and he was just not in a good way. 697 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 2: And this was his first real proper serious girlfriend, certainly 698 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 2: the first time he'd been in love before. I just 699 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 2: found myself saying to him. I was like, this is great, 700 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 2: This is great because you really only understand what love 701 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 2: is once your heart's been broken. You understand how tender 702 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 2: it is. And I was like, and you understand it now, 703 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 2: and what you're looking at this all wrong? You get 704 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 2: to do it again. You get to do this again. 705 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 2: You're going to meet someone else and feel all these 706 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 2: feelings and perhaps you'll go into that relationship learning what 707 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,720 Speaker 2: you've learned from this relationship and that will then feed 708 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 2: that relationship in a different way. And he's just met someone, right, 709 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 2: and he's like, oh my god, this is amazing saying 710 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:00,879 Speaker 2: and I'm like. 711 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, got that balloon again. 712 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's it, that's it. And so again, I 713 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 2: think it's expectation is the thing that that that makes 714 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 2: us hold onto stuff. If you can just ebb and 715 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 2: flow with stuff, you're going to find it so much 716 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 2: easier to take the good, the bad, and the everything 717 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,800 Speaker 2: in between. It's just all being good for you. 718 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 3: I think, James, you're a philosopher who knew we're going 719 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 3: to add to the list we're gonna have to add 720 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 3: it to the list of list of the tis No 721 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 3: genuine I mean that visual you just painted of the balloon, 722 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 3: that's going to stay with me for a long time. 723 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: I've probably never heard it. 724 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 2: I didn't, I don't, I don't. I don't know that 725 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 2: it's a thing. I think we just might have you 726 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 2: made it up, but it is so made it up. Yeah, 727 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 2: there's taken Banksy's image. 728 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:56,800 Speaker 1: That's it's such a beautiful way of sharing that lesson. 729 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: There's you know, a zen saying that says what's holding 730 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 1: you back is what you're holding on to? Yeah, and 731 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: that's you know. But that visual that you just painted 732 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: is so powerful. And even the visual that you painted 733 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: of saying that you come out to all this ruptuous 734 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: applause and you know, the whuhahn, the idea of you 735 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: coming out into the stage, but you're thinking about the 736 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: fact that the screen says applause on the other side. 737 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 2: Because I think if you don't, it's really dangerous. I 738 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 2: think it's really dangerous. 739 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: Were you conscious of that? And have you been conscious 740 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,359 Speaker 1: of that the whole time in your career. 741 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 2: Because not the whole time. 742 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: When did that become like a real Because that's Marcus 743 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: aurelius meditations at its best. Marcus Aurelius famously had a 744 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: Marcus Aurelius. When he would walk around the Roman town square, 745 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: he had an assistant that would follow him around, and 746 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 1: the role of the assistant was that whenever anyone in 747 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,839 Speaker 1: the town square would say, Marcus Aurelius, you are such 748 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: an amazing emperor. You are phenomenal, You're in credible, the 749 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: assistant's only job was to whisper in his ear, You're 750 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: just a man, You're just a man. Wow, and that 751 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 1: sort of practice. And so when you said that, that's 752 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: what that's the first thing I thought of. When I 753 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: didn't know you said the applause, I was like, wow, 754 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: you know you're you're living that. 755 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 2: I think I've probably fallen into the pitfall of thinking 756 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,839 Speaker 2: I was more of a dude than I really was 757 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 2: quite early issue in my career. I think, I guess 758 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 2: in a way, I think I'm I think I don't know. 759 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:35,240 Speaker 2: I think I'm sort of entering phase three, right, Yeah, 760 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 2: if phase one was history Boys, writing Gavin and Stacey. 761 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 2: Phase two was moving was one was going to Broadway 762 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 2: to do One Man, Two Governors, everything that came with that, 763 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 2: and then ending up hosting a late night TV show. 764 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,319 Speaker 2: And phase three will be whatever this is. And I 765 00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 2: don't know. I I mean, look, I've fallen into all 766 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 2: those pitfalls of thinking that you're more of a dude 767 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 2: than you really are, thinking any of this is it's 768 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 2: like fame and that was successful whatever, you know, level 769 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,360 Speaker 2: of that I kind of have in a way like 770 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 2: it's on the whole a picnic, right, It's great, it's great, 771 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 2: it's it's lovely. People come up, they talk about things 772 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 2: and that all you things that they that they've liked 773 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 2: or enjoyed. And certainly being back here in London, you know, 774 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 2: it's amazing hearing people talk about like Gavin and Stacey 775 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 2: and stuff which obviously I would never hear in Americans. 776 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 2: And I'm so proud of that show. And I think 777 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,919 Speaker 2: it's I've started to think of like, don't confuse the selfie, right, 778 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 2: I don't think I think for me, I think it's 779 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:50,400 Speaker 2: different if you're like Brad Pitt, Harry Styles. Do you 780 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,840 Speaker 2: know what I mean adele like, I think that's a different, 781 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,399 Speaker 2: that's that's a whole. That's an aura and an orb 782 00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,839 Speaker 2: of fame, which I think is not what I'm talking 783 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,479 Speaker 2: about now, whereas I think on the whole, when people 784 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,000 Speaker 2: are asking for a selfie with me, it isn't really 785 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 2: anything to do with me. I think it's just people go, well, 786 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,319 Speaker 2: this is going to be good on my story, right, 787 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 2: I do no, I do no, I'm not That is 788 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 2: not any fogy. I genuinely believe that. I think people 789 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 2: are going, well, he's there, he's only over there, this 790 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 2: is gonna this is going to be great in amongst 791 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 2: the other four photos of my day, right and so, 792 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,799 Speaker 2: and I love taking photo people. I don't say no. 793 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 2: So I used to say no when I was with 794 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 2: my kids or but but now they have a bit 795 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,080 Speaker 2: a bit better understanding of it, and I don't need 796 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,800 Speaker 2: to hold their hands all the time. Since that was 797 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,720 Speaker 2: my My wife was like, you cannot give your attention 798 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 2: to someone else when they're that night. So Charlotte master 799 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 2: Road whatever, So Charlotte siks. So if I'm out with 800 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,359 Speaker 2: like you know, my two eldists, it's always a lot 801 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 2: easier now, and it's people are people are really great 802 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 2: in corner. But I don't ever, ever in my ever 803 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 2: in my life, go I got all these people, they 804 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,239 Speaker 2: just want to photo. What can I say? I just 805 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 2: go no, no, no, this is They didn't find me, 806 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,839 Speaker 2: They've been waiting for me. I just happened to be 807 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,319 Speaker 2: in the same Joe and the juices there, you know 808 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 2: what I mean. And it's like, as well, you. 809 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: Know, I love that. That's amazing. But no, I do 810 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,600 Speaker 1: love how our conscious you're aware of that, and it's 811 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: a it's it's it's so it's so fun because that mindset, 812 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 1: that approach to success, that approach to fame, makes everything 813 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 1: just feel wonderful and beautiful and it makes everything so 814 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 1: you know, in the sense of when I don't I 815 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: don't mean perfection, I mean in the sense of it 816 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 1: gives you a sense of joying and interaction, removing the 817 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,799 Speaker 1: expectation and the weight that can come with it. 818 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. I also just think you have to just take 819 00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,400 Speaker 2: it all with a bag of salt. Yeah, all of it, everything, 820 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 2: everything good bad. You know, it's if you just can 821 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:13,400 Speaker 2: take it with the same bag of soult and distance 822 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,520 Speaker 2: yourself from it, you can just sort of go well 823 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:22,439 Speaker 2: that's over there, that's happening over there, and but I'm 824 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,840 Speaker 2: but what's really I'm here, and here are my friends 825 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,759 Speaker 2: and my fan and all those things, and just and 826 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 2: also just being so aware of like how lucky you are, 827 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,000 Speaker 2: how lucky you are, and if you lose sense of that. 828 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,560 Speaker 2: And I understand when people do, by the way, and 829 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 2: I have, you know, other points in my career, in 830 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,680 Speaker 2: my life, and I don't. I'm not walking around like 831 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 2: this every day. I have all those same things, right, 832 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 2: So this it's not like I'm sort of floating around 833 00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,759 Speaker 2: like I'm really really not. And a lot of this 834 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,239 Speaker 2: really is predicated on just how much sleep I get. 835 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true for all of us. 836 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:07,919 Speaker 2: Like that is it? 837 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,279 Speaker 1: You know what I've been on this supplement rec I 838 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,279 Speaker 1: was talking to my So I'm very into you know, 839 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,520 Speaker 1: buyer hacking and health and all the rest of it. 840 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 1: So I was I was been testing this supplement I've 841 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,399 Speaker 1: been having for the last thirty days, and it's it's 842 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 1: like boosted my mitochondrias so much that I can't get 843 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,719 Speaker 1: to sleep. I have so much energy. And I was 844 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,439 Speaker 1: telling I was telling my doctor, I was like, hey, 845 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 1: I really want to sleep like I enjoy sleep. I'm 846 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,760 Speaker 1: someone I'm not someone who sacrificed to sleep. I enjoy sleep, sleep, 847 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 1: and I haven't been able to I haven't really been 848 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,960 Speaker 1: able to sleep because of this one supplement. 849 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,719 Speaker 2: That anything to do with that. Also jet lag in 850 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:41,839 Speaker 2: the time difference. 851 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 1: I think there's a bit of that, But I've been 852 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,840 Speaker 1: here for like thirty days now, so I'm like it 853 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: should have gone and after a week or two. But 854 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 1: I agree with you, coming from la to London is 855 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 1: the harshest jet lag, right because I. 856 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,160 Speaker 2: Go from sleeping and I really get used to it. 857 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,960 Speaker 1: Oh it's really rough, and so it could be that. 858 00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,320 Speaker 1: But I feel like, yeah. 859 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 2: Sleep is so rarely I think that I'm saying rarely 860 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 2: talk about We probably talk about it more now than 861 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,520 Speaker 2: we ever have in the last forty years. But like, 862 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:13,760 Speaker 2: sleep is this extraordinary gift and I think I'm probably 863 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,160 Speaker 2: more aware of it now because I've got a twelve 864 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,560 Speaker 2: year old who is who seems to think that sleep 865 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,680 Speaker 2: is some sort of punishment, you know what I mean, 866 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,400 Speaker 2: Like he's sleepers, Like why would you do this to me? 867 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,960 Speaker 2: And like, dude, I don't want to be awake right now, 868 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:38,040 Speaker 2: you know, And it's only like in in Alan Debotton's 869 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,040 Speaker 2: new book, Please, which I just bought for you as 870 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,759 Speaker 2: a gift. I think it's called a Therapeutic Journey. A 871 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,799 Speaker 2: therapeutic Journey which I bought for you, is that I 872 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,480 Speaker 2: don't know if you want to plug other people's books. No, please, No, 873 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 2: I'm not as good as How to Live Like a. 874 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,759 Speaker 1: Man and a School of Life. I'm a big fan 875 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,560 Speaker 1: Genius's genius, very big fans. 876 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,600 Speaker 2: He's got a section in that book where he talks 877 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 2: about sleep, and he says, when you've got a newborn baby, 878 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,719 Speaker 2: when you've got a newborn baby, you are very Your 879 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,880 Speaker 2: only intention is to put this child into a routine 880 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 2: and make sure that they sleep at the right time 881 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,640 Speaker 2: for the right amount of times. Therefore, you feed it 882 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,000 Speaker 2: the right food to make sure it's the you know, 883 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,600 Speaker 2: the right We have to because if you don't get 884 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,640 Speaker 2: the right sleep, they are going to be awful tomorrow. 885 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,759 Speaker 2: And then at some point we just decide, well, I 886 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,400 Speaker 2: don't need to do that. That's only for a baby. 887 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:41,760 Speaker 2: I can sit with my phone at midnight just looking 888 00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,640 Speaker 2: a stream of thirty second videos to then character to 889 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,240 Speaker 2: not sleep and imagine that I'm going to be okay tomorrow. 890 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:55,640 Speaker 2: And I find that that sleep is just like this gift, 891 00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,560 Speaker 2: and that the better sleep I have that with out question, 892 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,520 Speaker 2: in every facet of my in every facet of my life, 893 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:09,359 Speaker 2: I'm better. Yeah, Like I'm really thinking about you don't drink? 894 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: Right? No? No, no? 895 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,160 Speaker 2: How went? How long have you not drunk? 896 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:19,200 Speaker 1: I would say, how old? Am I like? Maybe eighteen 897 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,160 Speaker 1: years or right? 898 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,880 Speaker 2: But did you ever were you did? Right? Okay? Not? 899 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,560 Speaker 1: I was never in a car by. I drank socially, 900 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,840 Speaker 1: enjoyed it, had fun, love drinking games. I used to 901 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,719 Speaker 1: hang out with the lads and like you. 902 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:37,359 Speaker 2: About where I am so I really really I I'm 903 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,040 Speaker 2: very ready drink at home. I never really get in 904 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,359 Speaker 2: and go I'm going to have a glass of wine 905 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 2: or a gin and tonic. But if I go out, yes, 906 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,600 Speaker 2: and if I'm out, I'm like, I love the feeling 907 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:51,640 Speaker 2: of being three and a half drinks in between three 908 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,839 Speaker 2: and six. I am. Look at Roger's face, he knows 909 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,680 Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. I am. I'm feeling my knees 910 00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,640 Speaker 2: and I love it right, And now as I've got older, 911 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:09,720 Speaker 2: I'm just really am really I'm going to really try 912 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,799 Speaker 2: to just stop doing that. Like with no great declaration. 913 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,239 Speaker 2: You know, you know, I am saying, I just am 914 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,760 Speaker 2: really really going to try not to do that. Because 915 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,520 Speaker 2: my friend, a good friend of mine, my friend jezz I, 916 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,000 Speaker 2: spoke to him about it, and I was like, how 917 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,720 Speaker 2: did you just manage to just did you just stop 918 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,120 Speaker 2: doing this? And he said something to me, and I 919 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,239 Speaker 2: think you'll really like this, he said. He said, I 920 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,840 Speaker 2: started asking myself, and I do think this changes post 921 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,240 Speaker 2: probably like thirty seven thirty eight. It starts to change 922 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,719 Speaker 2: in your body. And he said, I started to ask myself, 923 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:53,880 Speaker 2: how how much of tomorrow do I want to borrow? 924 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,840 Speaker 2: All I'm doing now by drinking is borrowing from tomorrow. 925 00:52:58,920 --> 00:52:59,240 Speaker 1: Wow. 926 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,480 Speaker 2: Right, It's like it's like you're going to a cash point. 927 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,200 Speaker 2: You're going to a cash point and you're going, I'm 928 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,520 Speaker 2: going to withdraw three hours from tomorrow that I will 929 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,399 Speaker 2: be useless. And then probably if I just borrow three 930 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,920 Speaker 2: hours around about noon or one, I'll start to feel okay. 931 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,120 Speaker 2: So I'm borrowing from tomorrow and that and how many 932 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,120 Speaker 2: hours do you want to borrow? And sometimes you borrow 933 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,040 Speaker 2: a day and then the only way you think you 934 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,160 Speaker 2: can rescue that day is to go, let's have another one, 935 00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,960 Speaker 2: you know, And I thought that was a really amazing 936 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:39,440 Speaker 2: way of looking at it. And so my intention is 937 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,040 Speaker 2: to really try and and not do that. I just 938 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:48,799 Speaker 2: want to try, try and just be healthier. I don't 939 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,520 Speaker 2: even sort of think about weight loss anymore. I've done 940 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,040 Speaker 2: that so many times in my life, just made so 941 00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,080 Speaker 2: many like decisions just right, this is it. I'm not 942 00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:00,799 Speaker 2: going to go and what wy don't you change that 943 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,759 Speaker 2: acts that isn't working. Why don't you just only try 944 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,640 Speaker 2: and do what is healthy and see how that impacts 945 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,000 Speaker 2: your frame? 946 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,920 Speaker 1: Yes, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I like that approach. 947 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think it's natural when when 948 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,480 Speaker 1: we're recording this, it's like New Year's resolutions and start 949 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,239 Speaker 1: of the year and all that kind of stuff. And 950 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,960 Speaker 1: I think all of us know that about eighty percent 951 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,320 Speaker 1: of us drop off by the end of January. By February, 952 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,360 Speaker 1: we're not practicing this New Year's resolution, this massive commitment 953 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,359 Speaker 1: we made. And it's almost because we go from this 954 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,040 Speaker 1: huge extreme from being indulgent in December to trying to 955 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,160 Speaker 1: be hyper intentional in January. Yeah, and trying to go 956 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:40,640 Speaker 1: from one extreme to the other, and none of us 957 00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,239 Speaker 1: can hack that it doesn't work well. 958 00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:43,799 Speaker 2: A friend of mine said a really good thing to me. 959 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,440 Speaker 2: My friend Simon said to me, he said, you need 960 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,280 Speaker 2: to stop going on a diet because my weight has 961 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,440 Speaker 2: gone up and down. You know I can I can 962 00:54:54,520 --> 00:55:00,040 Speaker 2: see it in too many videos on YouTube where I 963 00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,200 Speaker 2: was up, where I was down. I used to have 964 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,160 Speaker 2: like three sets of suits. Lauren Shapiro, who was our 965 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,160 Speaker 2: wardrobe designer on the show Who I Am Now saying, 966 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,080 Speaker 2: as I said it out loud, I would have hated 967 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,960 Speaker 2: hearing her name on your podcast, and my time with 968 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,840 Speaker 2: her I used to just love so much because, like 969 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,200 Speaker 2: I said, so much of the day would be a 970 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:20,840 Speaker 2: lot of people, and then it would just be me 971 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,680 Speaker 2: and her choosing suits and choosing what I'm going to wear, 972 00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,160 Speaker 2: and we'd chat about the day, and you know, we've 973 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,800 Speaker 2: had moments where we cracking up laughing with other days 974 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,520 Speaker 2: where one of us is really down, and it would 975 00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,600 Speaker 2: just be this little precious moment in this very small 976 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:43,080 Speaker 2: walk in closet that was off my office where all 977 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,080 Speaker 2: the suits were, and my time with those are the 978 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,880 Speaker 2: things I really miss. That's the stuff I really really miss. 979 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,239 Speaker 2: And she very very subtly, and we never talked about it. 980 00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,200 Speaker 2: We never ever talked about it, but I knew what 981 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,600 Speaker 2: she did, and I was grateful. Was she basically started 982 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:05,520 Speaker 2: organized in my suits into like really fat, fat and 983 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,680 Speaker 2: always looking good. You could see and she would just 984 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,160 Speaker 2: you know, but she would just very very in the 985 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,080 Speaker 2: in the just and I would go. And then we 986 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,279 Speaker 2: just became a thing where I'd be like, I think 987 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,800 Speaker 2: we're you know, particularly if we came off a hiatus 988 00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,279 Speaker 2: or a go away and I think we're going to 989 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,840 Speaker 2: be and she'd like, and we'd never really speak about 990 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,040 Speaker 2: my friend. My friend said, my friend Simon said, you 991 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,800 Speaker 2: need to stop going on a diet. So what do 992 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,880 Speaker 2: you mean? Said You've got to stop. You've got to 993 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,520 Speaker 2: stop going on a diet. He said, because going on 994 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,960 Speaker 2: a diet is like going on a holiday. You are 995 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:47,240 Speaker 2: going to return, You're going to come back. Wow, he said. 996 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,680 Speaker 2: If you go on a diet, what you're saying is 997 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:55,120 Speaker 2: this is short term. He said, you need to just 998 00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:59,080 Speaker 2: go this is how I live now, and this is it. 999 00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,520 Speaker 2: That's not going. I don't eat any bread. You know, 1000 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,960 Speaker 2: in moderation, it be probably good for you to eat 1001 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,120 Speaker 2: certain types of bread, but that's it, and you're going 1002 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:16,520 Speaker 2: to don't just stop this thing of being like, oh, guys, 1003 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,080 Speaker 2: I'm not I'm on a diet. Ye, And he was like, 1004 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,240 Speaker 2: and stop broadcasting saying it, Just stop saying it. Just 1005 00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,240 Speaker 2: go this is what I'm going to do, and to 1006 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,360 Speaker 2: try and exercise like this. I'm going to try and 1007 00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,520 Speaker 2: walk like I'm trying to do and just be like no, no, 1008 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,800 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm going to eat this, And don't don't 1009 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,280 Speaker 2: be like, well I want to be down twenty pounds 1010 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,760 Speaker 2: in thirty five days, Like because you've done that and 1011 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,640 Speaker 2: you know how that plays out. Don't go on something 1012 00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,160 Speaker 2: that's changed. Something that's good. 1013 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,200 Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, on a diet, on a holiday, 1014 00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,400 Speaker 1: that's good. That's strong. You've got some wise friends, James. 1015 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:50,360 Speaker 2: I do. 1016 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,240 Speaker 1: There's a lot of good there's a lot of great 1017 00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,160 Speaker 1: advice and these and these friends for like life for 1018 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,080 Speaker 1: these friends. 1019 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,760 Speaker 2: Recently time and I've known probably but yeah, probably about 1020 00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,120 Speaker 2: nine nine years. And I have yeah, I have like 1021 00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,000 Speaker 2: friends I've known for thirty five. 1022 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,000 Speaker 1: Years, you know what I mean, Like, what's it taking 1023 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,240 Speaker 1: to keep those? Because I find like I've been talking 1024 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,320 Speaker 1: to a lot of my male friends about this recently, 1025 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,440 Speaker 1: and this idea of you know, do we have Do 1026 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,240 Speaker 1: you have a friend that you could call in the 1027 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,920 Speaker 1: middle of the night and you know they would pick up, 1028 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,120 Speaker 1: they would turn up, they would be there, Because if 1029 00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,520 Speaker 1: you have one of those friends, that's pretty rare and 1030 00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,720 Speaker 1: pretty incredible. Especially as men, I find sometimes it's it's 1031 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,000 Speaker 1: almost harder to have those vulnerable relationships. But you seem 1032 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,320 Speaker 1: to be having a lot of open, vulnerable, healthy conversations 1033 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:32,960 Speaker 1: with men in your life. 1034 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,040 Speaker 2: But I think it's easier now. I think it's easier 1035 00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,160 Speaker 2: now than it used to be. I think I hope 1036 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:42,560 Speaker 2: we're going to move into a generation of men, and 1037 00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,480 Speaker 2: I think you and your show is responsible for that. 1038 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,440 Speaker 2: I think lots of I think just the ability to 1039 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:55,000 Speaker 2: just be like I'm struggling is a thing which I 1040 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,600 Speaker 2: think for a very long time men were conditioned to 1041 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:03,160 Speaker 2: that that was weak, and actually it's almost certainly the 1042 00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,439 Speaker 2: bravest thing you can do. It is it is a 1043 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:13,480 Speaker 2: tremendous act of bravery to say I'm not doing too 1044 00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:17,200 Speaker 2: great at than And as soon as those words leave 1045 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,840 Speaker 2: your mouth, I reckon twenty percent of those things have gone. 1046 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,840 Speaker 2: And I'm very I'm very, very fortunate. I just have 1047 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,400 Speaker 2: a lot of I love a lot of friends that 1048 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,480 Speaker 2: I've known for a very long time, and I and 1049 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,880 Speaker 2: I love them, and I tell them I love them 1050 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:44,160 Speaker 2: and I I and I enjoy the company of people 1051 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:49,080 Speaker 2: so much, you know, I just you know, it's interesting 1052 00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:50,880 Speaker 2: you talk about who would call it like my friend 1053 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,240 Speaker 2: Louis that I was just telling you about who we 1054 00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:57,400 Speaker 2: wrote that script together. Louis had a previous life where 1055 00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:02,000 Speaker 2: he used to he would go out sometimes for three days. 1056 01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,680 Speaker 2: I don't think he'd mind me saying this. He'd go 1057 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:09,840 Speaker 2: out for days on end. And I always always. And 1058 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,240 Speaker 2: then I said to Jules when we met, I said, 1059 01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,480 Speaker 2: just so you know, I've got this friend Louis, and 1060 01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,840 Speaker 2: he goes out for a long time, like you know 1061 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:22,040 Speaker 2: what London was like in those times, in these very streets. Yes, 1062 01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,520 Speaker 2: And I said, if he calls me, I always, but 1063 01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,440 Speaker 2: I have to pick up, always pick up, because I 1064 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,400 Speaker 2: always used to think he might be in trouble. This 1065 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:35,000 Speaker 2: resulted in some of the funniest things I've ever heard. 1066 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:41,360 Speaker 2: Him calling me at two, three, four, five in the 1067 01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:48,120 Speaker 2: morning resulted in some of the funniest things I've ever heard. 1068 01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,560 Speaker 2: And so that's why I say to anybody who doesn't 1069 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,080 Speaker 2: pick up the phone to a friend in the night. 1070 01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,919 Speaker 2: It might not always be bad. It might be said. 1071 01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:56,960 Speaker 2: He called me once, I think it's okay to tell 1072 01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,200 Speaker 2: you this. He called me once and I was half 1073 01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:05,840 Speaker 2: three in the morning, same man, okay, and he went, 1074 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,960 Speaker 2: I'm and he's drunk, and heone, I'm going to tell 1075 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:13,439 Speaker 2: you something now. And it's a fact. I went, what 1076 01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,760 Speaker 2: he went, it's a fact. I went, sorry, you went. 1077 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,240 Speaker 2: What I am about to tell you is a fact. 1078 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,200 Speaker 2: It is a fact of life, and I would like 1079 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,160 Speaker 2: to share it with you. Okay, this quarter four And 1080 01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,520 Speaker 2: he's like, it is a fact, James that I have 1081 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:37,360 Speaker 2: never and will never see the Jersey Boys goodbye and 1082 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:45,000 Speaker 2: hung up. And so yeah, I don't know. I don't 1083 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,080 Speaker 2: think for a friendship is I think it's something. It's 1084 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:52,920 Speaker 2: sort of everything, isn't. He like it's it's I cherish 1085 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:59,920 Speaker 2: it so much. I also think, you know, with kids, 1086 01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:06,360 Speaker 2: it's really important for them to see you with friends, Yes, 1087 01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:14,080 Speaker 2: to not separate those things, to be to involve your 1088 01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,080 Speaker 2: friends with your children and your children with your friends. 1089 01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,600 Speaker 2: Because I'm really aware that, Like my son's twelve, and 1090 01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:28,760 Speaker 2: like he's right now, like we just get on great, 1091 01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:33,080 Speaker 2: We get on so well, So we get on so 1092 01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:37,919 Speaker 2: well's I love It's beautiful, and I'm so aware that 1093 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:44,400 Speaker 2: that is about to change, because that is just nature. 1094 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,440 Speaker 2: You know. I took about a year ago, before we 1095 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:56,400 Speaker 2: moved before we move back, I took my son. I 1096 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,880 Speaker 2: can't even remember what happened. He was kind of strappy 1097 01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:05,320 Speaker 2: and you know, stomped upstairs. He's really not that kind 1098 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:09,520 Speaker 2: of boy, but he did. And I went upstairs and 1099 01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:13,600 Speaker 2: I sat in his room and I just went to him. 1100 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:18,680 Speaker 2: I said, can I ask you some questions? And he 1101 01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:22,800 Speaker 2: was quite taken aback because because he thought I was 1102 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,680 Speaker 2: going to go what was that about? And can I 1103 01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:29,000 Speaker 2: ask you some questions? And he went yeah. I said, 1104 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,600 Speaker 2: do you think I love you? And he went yeah. 1105 01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,160 Speaker 2: I said, do you think I would ever do anything 1106 01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:40,520 Speaker 2: to intentionally hurt or upset you? He said no. I said, 1107 01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,520 Speaker 2: and do you think in the eleven years that you've 1108 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:47,840 Speaker 2: been on Earth, do you think I've changed dramatically? He 1109 01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,920 Speaker 2: went no. I went, well done, he scored one hundred percent. 1110 01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,040 Speaker 2: They are all the right answers, I said, And I'm 1111 01:03:54,120 --> 01:04:01,840 Speaker 2: telling you this because over the next few years, there 1112 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:03,600 Speaker 2: are going to be points you are going to think 1113 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,520 Speaker 2: I don't love you. You are going to think I 1114 01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:11,160 Speaker 2: am intentionally trying to hurt or upset you, and you're 1115 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,920 Speaker 2: going to think that I've changed. And I need you 1116 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,440 Speaker 2: to remember this, that I haven't changed. We haven't changed. 1117 01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,880 Speaker 2: You've changed, and you need to and you have to, 1118 01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,960 Speaker 2: and you are going to go through immeasurable changes in 1119 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:32,200 Speaker 2: your life and body and all we are trying to 1120 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:36,520 Speaker 2: do me, your mum, your sisters, and it's going to 1121 01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:40,200 Speaker 2: happen to them too. Are just trying to help you 1122 01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,880 Speaker 2: navigate these bumps that are going to come your way 1123 01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,880 Speaker 2: and these changes both mental and physical that are happening 1124 01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,600 Speaker 2: for you. But I need you to know that I 1125 01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:55,680 Speaker 2: haven't changed. I'm never trying to intentionally hurt or upset you. 1126 01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,840 Speaker 2: And I love you. I love you more than you'll 1127 01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:06,320 Speaker 2: ever know. And he went, I think we should have 1128 01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,200 Speaker 2: some sort of code word so I remember this, And 1129 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,240 Speaker 2: so we came up with some silly code word that 1130 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,120 Speaker 2: I would just say to him, like do you remember, 1131 01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,800 Speaker 2: and he'd like and he'd be like, oh, yeah, you 1132 01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,840 Speaker 2: haven't changed. I was like, my hair hasn't changed, dude. 1133 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,560 Speaker 2: I got the same hairstyle that I had when I 1134 01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:27,240 Speaker 2: was eighteen years old, you know, and that was and 1135 01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:31,160 Speaker 2: I refeel that with friendship that they I'm so painfully, 1136 01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,400 Speaker 2: painfully aware that there's going to come a point where 1137 01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:38,480 Speaker 2: the influences that aren't me are going to become bigger 1138 01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,080 Speaker 2: on my children for a moment. And so if I 1139 01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,880 Speaker 2: can make sure that those other people that they look 1140 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:48,680 Speaker 2: to are people who are aligned with how I feel, 1141 01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,880 Speaker 2: then it's going to be great, you know. 1142 01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,760 Speaker 1: And sometimes they're going to take advice from dad's friend 1143 01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,600 Speaker 1: more than they are from Dad, if. 1144 01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,720 Speaker 2: They are going to seek it. Yeah, they're going to 1145 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:03,360 Speaker 2: absolutely seek those other role models, Yes, particularly boys. I 1146 01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,800 Speaker 2: think that's right. Is that right? I think that's right. Yeah, yeah, 1147 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:07,240 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's completely right, but I do 1148 01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,160 Speaker 2: think that there is a perhaps more of a thing 1149 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:14,080 Speaker 2: between boys and dads, and you know, it's it's such 1150 01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,680 Speaker 2: a strange thing that it's so you. 1151 01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:20,080 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I remember, so you would have know this 1152 01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,400 Speaker 1: because we didn't know each other then, but became friendly 1153 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,680 Speaker 1: with James Longman on your team years ago and so 1154 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,479 Speaker 1: long as it invited me to come and watch the show. 1155 01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,360 Speaker 1: This is when I first moved to la when I 1156 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,760 Speaker 1: first moved there, So this is like five years ago, 1157 01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,240 Speaker 1: and yeah, and I got to come and he was 1158 01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,880 Speaker 1: he was He's wonderful, obviously great and so he showed 1159 01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,600 Speaker 1: me around. I got to see all the rooms and 1160 01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,520 Speaker 1: like you know that, the green rooms and every like. 1161 01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:41,760 Speaker 2: He was. 1162 01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,320 Speaker 1: He just gave me the best tour ever. Took me 1163 01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,120 Speaker 1: to the photo wall. I got to put up a 1164 01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,000 Speaker 1: fake photo of myself on the wall as if we've 1165 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:49,920 Speaker 1: been on the show, you know, all all of it 1166 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,840 Speaker 1: was really sweet. And we didn't know each other at 1167 01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,320 Speaker 1: all then, of course, and I didn't know anyone else 1168 01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,120 Speaker 1: apart from him, and I was just really excited to 1169 01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:57,280 Speaker 1: be there because I was such a fan of the 1170 01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,720 Speaker 1: show and I remember you were. You were so wonderful, 1171 01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,920 Speaker 1: even if between the show where you're in between segments 1172 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,600 Speaker 1: like it's not live, and you would come and chat 1173 01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,520 Speaker 1: to the audience. You'd shake people's hands, and then I 1174 01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,680 Speaker 1: remember you'd go and call your kids and you'd literally 1175 01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,720 Speaker 1: sit at the desk before in between and just like 1176 01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,640 Speaker 1: get that because and you tell us you'd be like, guys, 1177 01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,160 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna call my family because I'm gonna say 1178 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,680 Speaker 1: good night to my kids. And it was such a 1179 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,400 Speaker 1: like it was so amazing to see someone who's in 1180 01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:23,160 Speaker 1: the middle of everything you described so phenomenally earlier. But 1181 01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,080 Speaker 1: then be like, I just want to say good night 1182 01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,360 Speaker 1: to my kids because it's that late, right, however late 1183 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:28,760 Speaker 1: it was at that time. I think kids were going 1184 01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,360 Speaker 1: back to bed at seven or seven or whatever may 1185 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,480 Speaker 1: have been, and I remember you facetiming them and then 1186 01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,880 Speaker 1: we got to wave it, and I just remember how 1187 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,000 Speaker 1: special that was. And I just think, you know, I've 1188 01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,479 Speaker 1: heard you say before that you know, for so many 1189 01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:44,600 Speaker 1: years your your family was marching to the beat of 1190 01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,880 Speaker 1: your drum like they were. They were therefore, they were 1191 01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:48,840 Speaker 1: just holding it together for you so that you could 1192 01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,000 Speaker 1: build and create. And I just think about moments like 1193 01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:53,080 Speaker 1: that that you were having with. 1194 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,360 Speaker 2: Them and media. I'm so worried that the show you 1195 01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,880 Speaker 2: came to is terrible. That's all I can think. 1196 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,120 Speaker 1: Is good Ruffalo. It is great. It's great, it's great. 1197 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,640 Speaker 2: But like, that's that's really what really resulted in us 1198 01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:14,360 Speaker 2: moving back, is the truth is, you know, like my 1199 01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,799 Speaker 2: wife just walks to the beat of my drum, my family. 1200 01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,200 Speaker 2: You know, we're going to New York, We're going to 1201 01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:25,519 Speaker 2: LA I'm going here, I'm going there. Babe, I'm going 1202 01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,880 Speaker 2: to do this thing in Australia. You're you're good here 1203 01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,439 Speaker 2: with the kit, do you know what I mean? Like, honestly, 1204 01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,240 Speaker 2: I genuinely feel I get the feeling that you might 1205 01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:38,760 Speaker 2: be like this. I feel like I could live anywhere anywhere. 1206 01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,760 Speaker 2: I could live anywhere, because we're very fortunate that you're 1207 01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,400 Speaker 2: here now in London. You're going to go back, You're 1208 01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:44,880 Speaker 2: going to go to India, you're gonna go to New York, 1209 01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:49,679 Speaker 2: You're to LA Like, what a privilege. I'm so aware 1210 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:54,240 Speaker 2: that that hasn't been my wife's life for the last 1211 01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:59,479 Speaker 2: twelve years, thirteen fourteen years, you know, And so really 1212 01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:03,280 Speaker 2: our our decision to move back was like I was 1213 01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:07,439 Speaker 2: going to stop the show regardless. You know, there was 1214 01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:08,640 Speaker 2: a there was a moment where I was going to 1215 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,880 Speaker 2: stop it a bit earlier, and then it was done 1216 01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,920 Speaker 2: so beautifully. My leaving of the show, like me and 1217 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:22,799 Speaker 2: my boss George just sat in my office and literally 1218 01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,759 Speaker 2: talked it out like this, no agents, no lawyers, no nothing, 1219 01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,200 Speaker 2: Like I said, I'd like to leave it this date. 1220 01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:33,240 Speaker 2: He said, is it any way I can get you 1221 01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:34,920 Speaker 2: to stay to this day? It's like I can't stay 1222 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,599 Speaker 2: to that date because we've got to resettle, the kids 1223 01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,960 Speaker 2: have got like they have to start school in September, 1224 01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,960 Speaker 2: you know. And then at one point it was going 1225 01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:44,840 Speaker 2: to be May, and then there was like I think 1226 01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,559 Speaker 2: there's golf and masters and all this, and we literally 1227 01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,920 Speaker 2: just were like, okay, we'll end it then and that 1228 01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,000 Speaker 2: will give us the right gap. And all of that 1229 01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,760 Speaker 2: came from me just saying to Jeles like, I'll live 1230 01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:04,200 Speaker 2: anywhere where, where, Where do you want to be? Where 1231 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,719 Speaker 2: do you think it's best for us to be, because 1232 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,040 Speaker 2: I know she would never make a decision that isn't 1233 01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:18,960 Speaker 2: best for the kids, forget me, and she was just like, 1234 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,719 Speaker 2: I think it's time to go home. I was like, Okay, 1235 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:28,360 Speaker 2: that's it, and I'm so I'm so grateful that we 1236 01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:33,360 Speaker 2: that we did. Just in my family before Christmas, we 1237 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:37,040 Speaker 2: had a My mum sings in a choir. It's not 1238 01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:40,519 Speaker 2: a church choir, it's just a choir with some of 1239 01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:44,160 Speaker 2: her friends and we all went out to high Wickham 1240 01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:51,200 Speaker 2: to watch her sing in this choir. I sat in 1241 01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:58,040 Speaker 2: this room in a in john Hamden sports hall or there, 1242 01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,680 Speaker 2: you know theater, just a a school hall that we 1243 01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:07,080 Speaker 2: were in. I cried my eyes out. I cried. I 1244 01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:11,040 Speaker 2: couldn't stop crying because I'm my mum. I was in 1245 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:18,559 Speaker 2: this choir with like forty other people singing Christmas songs, 1246 01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:23,320 Speaker 2: and it was so pure. It was so pure, it 1247 01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:27,680 Speaker 2: was so the antithesis of what our life of being 1248 01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:31,719 Speaker 2: in Los Angeles. And my mum was in the corner 1249 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,679 Speaker 2: of this glad, you know, and I just she couldn't 1250 01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,640 Speaker 2: stop smiling. And I just thought, Oh my god, this 1251 01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,760 Speaker 2: purity that's here. These are a group of women and 1252 01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:46,480 Speaker 2: men in there. I guess they range between thirty to 1253 01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:49,559 Speaker 2: sixty people, and I just was like, this is everything. 1254 01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,559 Speaker 2: I don't want to be anywhere else. This is I 1255 01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,639 Speaker 2: only want to be here. And it was so weird. 1256 01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,519 Speaker 2: It's so weird the effect it has on me even 1257 01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,160 Speaker 2: now saying I can't understan and it. I can't tell 1258 01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:07,479 Speaker 2: you why. I think it just felt in that minute like, Oh, 1259 01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,280 Speaker 2: this is the sacrip, this is why we made what 1260 01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,400 Speaker 2: you would perceive to be a great sacrifice. Yes, this 1261 01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:17,559 Speaker 2: is the reason something here that I would never see, 1262 01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,320 Speaker 2: I would never come back for, I would never be 1263 01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,640 Speaker 2: part of. And then my dad joined them with a 1264 01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:27,720 Speaker 2: few numbers playing the saxophone and I just I just 1265 01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:31,040 Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, this is worth everything. This 1266 01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:35,479 Speaker 2: is this is this is everything I need to feed 1267 01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:39,719 Speaker 2: me and my kids watching their grandma sing this song, 1268 01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,479 Speaker 2: I was like, how lucky are we to appreciate and 1269 01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:48,240 Speaker 2: have this experience? Yeah, to have come back and everyone 1270 01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:49,680 Speaker 2: be healthy? You know? 1271 01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure? What does it take in that in 1272 01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,559 Speaker 1: the marriage, for that communication, for that even the fact 1273 01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:58,760 Speaker 1: that you know you're both asking each other questions, you're 1274 01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,639 Speaker 1: both checking in with each other, Like, that's not easy, 1275 01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:05,000 Speaker 1: it's challenging. Yeah, Like what is that? What has that taken, 1276 01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,840 Speaker 1: like from both of you to really be able to 1277 01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,360 Speaker 1: make those big decisions together. 1278 01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:20,120 Speaker 2: It's taken me learning from my wife. That's it. That's it. 1279 01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:26,839 Speaker 2: Like she, I think has always known and always figured 1280 01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,960 Speaker 2: out how to communicate how to do this, And I 1281 01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,280 Speaker 2: think I've been terrible at it. I think I've been 1282 01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:35,519 Speaker 2: rubbish at it because I think I lived for a 1283 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:41,479 Speaker 2: very long time an existence of just I nothing will 1284 01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,840 Speaker 2: move me from this train. I'm on this is it. 1285 01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:48,080 Speaker 2: Oh you're hopping on great, but this is this is 1286 01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,679 Speaker 2: it's this is the thing. And actually you then realize 1287 01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:55,479 Speaker 2: that that isn't the case. I mean we don't argue 1288 01:13:55,560 --> 01:14:00,880 Speaker 2: very much. We really really try to talk in the 1289 01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:06,599 Speaker 2: day right to not make it the last thing we do, 1290 01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,720 Speaker 2: even if you are going to bed with like and 1291 01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,679 Speaker 2: it's more her than me, and she's like, well, I'm 1292 01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:19,920 Speaker 2: going to talk to you about that tomorrow, you know 1293 01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,719 Speaker 2: what I mean. But it's so much better than going 1294 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,599 Speaker 2: to bed, going to sleep. Just don't go to sleep 1295 01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:31,000 Speaker 2: on an argument. That's the first thing. And I think 1296 01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:40,799 Speaker 2: I learned quite probably halfway through our marriage that that actually, 1297 01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,680 Speaker 2: if all you're doing and this is this is an 1298 01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,559 Speaker 2: almost impossible thing to do. But if you're but if 1299 01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:51,760 Speaker 2: you're at least trying to, you're pretty much there is 1300 01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,920 Speaker 2: if you're going well, if if all you're trying to 1301 01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,640 Speaker 2: do is meet your partner's needs, then all yours in 1302 01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,679 Speaker 2: turn will be met. They just will like how many 1303 01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,639 Speaker 2: times do we hear it's funny we had a friend 1304 01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,800 Speaker 2: of ours or a friend of my wife's. They're friends 1305 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,479 Speaker 2: of ours. You know, if we ever broke up, she'd 1306 01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:15,120 Speaker 2: get her. Now you've got me thinking about friend, Oh, 1307 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,439 Speaker 2: divide it up a fun game and going to take 1308 01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:22,800 Speaker 2: what's quite a fun game. And she was saying, this 1309 01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:24,559 Speaker 2: is a few years ago now, She was like, he 1310 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,280 Speaker 2: just never does anything for me. I never. He never 1311 01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:30,519 Speaker 2: surprises me and takes me out for dinner. He never 1312 01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:34,000 Speaker 2: says ah like, oh I'm good, you know, buy the 1313 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,920 Speaker 2: theater ticket. He never says, oh, Friday night, me and you, 1314 01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,880 Speaker 2: let's do this. And I just went, well, when do 1315 01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,680 Speaker 2: you do it? How often do you do that? She went, 1316 01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:48,000 Speaker 2: what I don't. And I was like, right, well, you 1317 01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:51,080 Speaker 2: have to see that that might be a that that 1318 01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,360 Speaker 2: might be a thing. For all we know. He sat 1319 01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:57,120 Speaker 2: somewhere now going she never takes me out? She never, 1320 01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:00,200 Speaker 2: because let's go the cinema. And she was like, and 1321 01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,960 Speaker 2: that's it in its most base level. I think that's 1322 01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:06,800 Speaker 2: probably the thing I've learned the most. 1323 01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love hearing about your relationships and the way 1324 01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:11,920 Speaker 1: you talk about your relationships. Obviously, this whole shift in 1325 01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:15,799 Speaker 1: your life is because of your relationships, and so it's 1326 01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,639 Speaker 1: so wonderful to hear about it. And you were giving 1327 01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:22,720 Speaker 1: me credit earlier for you know, hopefully changing conversations around masculinity. 1328 01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:24,519 Speaker 1: But I think you did that very much so as 1329 01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:29,240 Speaker 1: well with your bromance comic relief videos with David Beckham, 1330 01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,720 Speaker 1: and I'd always appreciate those when they came out. I know, 1331 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,200 Speaker 1: you guys have a real romance, but seeing it on 1332 01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,320 Speaker 1: screen was always a real treat. Whether you're doing the 1333 01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,400 Speaker 1: Calvin kleinads together or whether you know or doing each 1334 01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:42,920 Speaker 1: other's nails or whatever it was, it was. It was 1335 01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:46,800 Speaker 1: so funny. And you went to the premiere recently of 1336 01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,160 Speaker 1: his documentary, which I thought was just, yeah, brilliant, phenomenal. 1337 01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:53,880 Speaker 1: I read Bex's biography when autobiography when I was like 1338 01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,000 Speaker 1: fifteen or something, and it was life changing. I loved it, 1339 01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:01,160 Speaker 1: and getting to what's the doc was obviously reliving it again. 1340 01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:02,759 Speaker 2: I mean, what a story? 1341 01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:03,559 Speaker 1: What a story? 1342 01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:07,280 Speaker 2: Right? This is the whole thing. When I watched it, 1343 01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:11,320 Speaker 2: it really really reminded me. Have you ever watched Aaron 1344 01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:16,360 Speaker 2: Sorkin's commencement speech at Syracuse University? I have not known, 1345 01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:18,920 Speaker 2: so actually me saying, you know, when I get my 1346 01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,360 Speaker 2: driver's license, my life will be like this. He actually 1347 01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,320 Speaker 2: says that in that speech. He talks about that, and 1348 01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:28,400 Speaker 2: I think, and that was the first time I realized that, like, oh, 1349 01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,800 Speaker 2: that's what I have always done. His commencement speech at 1350 01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,439 Speaker 2: Syracuse University is brilliant as you can imagine. It's just 1351 01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:41,160 Speaker 2: so brilliantly written and he delivers it. It's exceptional. It's 1352 01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:45,200 Speaker 2: my favorite thing to watch on YouTube is people's commencement addresses, 1353 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,560 Speaker 2: and his is particularly good. And I would urge anybody 1354 01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,880 Speaker 2: to go and to go and look at it. I 1355 01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,720 Speaker 2: use it, I quote it. It's fed into me, you know. 1356 01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:59,519 Speaker 2: And he says a brilliant line and it really came 1357 01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,840 Speaker 2: to the forefront of my mind watching the Beckham documentary 1358 01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,040 Speaker 2: where he says, the world doesn't care how many times 1359 01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:10,000 Speaker 2: you get knocked down, so long as it's one less 1360 01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,000 Speaker 2: than the amount of times you get back up again. 1361 01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,760 Speaker 2: And that's what I think the Beckham Dock is. It 1362 01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:21,160 Speaker 2: is a story of a man who just doesn't stop. 1363 01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:25,559 Speaker 2: He just gets back up and he carries on. And 1364 01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:30,080 Speaker 2: that's what it's about. You could say it's about the 1365 01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:36,320 Speaker 2: first sportsman to become a global brand and icon. You 1366 01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:42,719 Speaker 2: could talk about it's the first family to have become, 1367 01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:47,439 Speaker 2: perhaps in Britain outside of the Royal family, a family 1368 01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:49,799 Speaker 2: of intrigue and interest. You could say it's a story 1369 01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,800 Speaker 2: about fame and sport. It's not. I think it's a 1370 01:18:52,840 --> 01:19:01,240 Speaker 2: story of someone who just kept going through adversity, through challenges, 1371 01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,640 Speaker 2: just got up and carried on. And that's why I 1372 01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,639 Speaker 2: think it's resonated so much with people, because it's interesting. 1373 01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:09,360 Speaker 2: I don't know if you found this, but like it's 1374 01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,880 Speaker 2: interesting being British and watching it. Yes, yes, then because 1375 01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:14,080 Speaker 2: because people in America are. 1376 01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:15,800 Speaker 1: Like, I had no no idea. 1377 01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:22,200 Speaker 2: Oh my god, those football those soccer fans, the way 1378 01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,800 Speaker 2: they were with him, and you're like, yeah, no, I know, 1379 01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:31,240 Speaker 2: I remember the yeah, yeah, you know. And then and 1380 01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:35,240 Speaker 2: then Greece and that like that's where sport tho can 1381 01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:39,240 Speaker 2: transcend everything. It's like, it's it's why I think sport 1382 01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:45,559 Speaker 2: and music. I think sports stars and musicians are I 1383 01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:50,320 Speaker 2: think their fame is so different to actors and performers 1384 01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,600 Speaker 2: and hosts and writers, and I think their fame is 1385 01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:56,880 Speaker 2: something different because they give you moments. They give you 1386 01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:03,200 Speaker 2: moments in the and really what I put those moments 1387 01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:08,439 Speaker 2: down to is they made you feel less alone. That's 1388 01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:12,160 Speaker 2: actually what it is. It's why our relationship with singers 1389 01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:17,920 Speaker 2: and art and recording artists is so personal. Because I 1390 01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,760 Speaker 2: was in this play called The History Boys and it's 1391 01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:23,000 Speaker 2: written by Alan Bennett, and there was a speech that 1392 01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,800 Speaker 2: Richard Griffiths used to deliver every night, and he'd say 1393 01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:30,360 Speaker 2: the best moments in poetry are when you think a 1394 01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:34,639 Speaker 2: thought or a feeling is particular to you, and then 1395 01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:40,240 Speaker 2: suddenly someone who is long dead you will never meet. Now, 1396 01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,000 Speaker 2: someone who you will never meet, perhaps even long dead, 1397 01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:47,360 Speaker 2: has written down the very thing you're feeling. And it's 1398 01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:51,320 Speaker 2: like a hand has reached out and taken yours and 1399 01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:55,000 Speaker 2: it says to you, you're not on your own. You're 1400 01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:56,960 Speaker 2: not on your own. That's a great bit in a 1401 01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,840 Speaker 2: John Lennon documentary where there's a guy saying to you 1402 01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:04,920 Speaker 2: on Lennon, that song you wrote, but you know that 1403 01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,640 Speaker 2: that was about me. It's about me, thats how I am. 1404 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,759 Speaker 2: And John Lennon's going, they're just songs. They're just songs. 1405 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,760 Speaker 2: It isn't that And he's going, nobody is you wrote 1406 01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,799 Speaker 2: that about me? Because you can't know how I felt, 1407 01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,559 Speaker 2: And so I think you don't. Suddenly you feel very alone. 1408 01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,320 Speaker 2: You hear something and you realize you're not. And then 1409 01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:26,960 Speaker 2: I think sport when David Beckham curlled that free kick 1410 01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:28,840 Speaker 2: in the top corner, which when we qualified for the 1411 01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:37,080 Speaker 2: World Cup, it did not matter Tory, conservative, Republican, Democrat, 1412 01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:43,920 Speaker 2: left right, all the stuff the divisions everything suddenly yeah, 1413 01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,840 Speaker 2: and you're hugging people you don't know, you've never met, 1414 01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:49,879 Speaker 2: and you're you're brought together and you're not alone anymore. 1415 01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,200 Speaker 2: And that's where I think sport and music is such 1416 01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:57,960 Speaker 2: a powerful thing in our lives, which you don't feel 1417 01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,719 Speaker 2: when you watch a film. You can watch a film 1418 01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,680 Speaker 2: or a TV show and go, oh, yeah, that's good. 1419 01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,800 Speaker 2: That was amazing. Even if it moved you hugely, that 1420 01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:07,200 Speaker 2: connection isn't the same. 1421 01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,479 Speaker 1: I don't think that's why you gave him an ugly 1422 01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:17,040 Speaker 1: statue of himself. Oh my god, I've watched that a 1423 01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:18,599 Speaker 1: million times that day. 1424 01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,960 Speaker 2: Man, that was so much fun. That was just, you know, 1425 01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:25,280 Speaker 2: because pranks they're the worst thing to film. They're awful 1426 01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:27,400 Speaker 2: because they could just go wrong at any point. They 1427 01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:31,599 Speaker 2: could go wrong one notice of a camera and hundreds 1428 01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:36,559 Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars and my got that day just 1429 01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:40,880 Speaker 2: worked out in the best way. It was. 1430 01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:46,000 Speaker 1: It's so good. If anyone's not seen it, it's so good. 1431 01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:48,719 Speaker 1: If you watch The Dog and you love Dabbie Beckham 1432 01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:50,960 Speaker 1: and you love what James does, you have to go 1433 01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,360 Speaker 1: and see it. It's just you made the ugliest statue 1434 01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:55,280 Speaker 1: I had the idea one of the best looking men. 1435 01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,679 Speaker 2: I had the idea because do you remember the real 1436 01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:01,040 Speaker 2: Ronaldo one? Yeah? Remember that? So then it was like 1437 01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:03,800 Speaker 2: I remember going into it, going into Ben's office and 1438 01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,960 Speaker 2: going because I think if if they hadn't done that 1439 01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:10,400 Speaker 2: with Ronaldo in real life, I don't think David would 1440 01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,759 Speaker 2: have believed it right right, Yeah, But it was because 1441 01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,840 Speaker 2: it happened in real life with Cristiano Ronaldo that we 1442 01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,120 Speaker 2: were like, oh, hang on, we could do this, and 1443 01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,439 Speaker 2: I never thought it would work as well as it did. Yeah, 1444 01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,280 Speaker 2: and credit I have to say to the to the 1445 01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:29,200 Speaker 2: actors in that sketch, I mean just just brilliant. 1446 01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:37,040 Speaker 1: Perfect, Yeah, Manchester City, brilliant, amazing, it's amazing. Walk me 1447 01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,559 Speaker 1: through that what you just said. Now that you're in 1448 01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,479 Speaker 1: that space six months, you're reflecting, figuring it out. We're 1449 01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:46,479 Speaker 1: waiting for that next balloon. We've let the other balloon go. 1450 01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:52,920 Speaker 1: What does James Corden's creative process stillness, waiting for the idea, 1451 01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:55,680 Speaker 1: building an idea look like? What does that look like? 1452 01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,400 Speaker 1: Where does that Where does inspiration strike? Where does it 1453 01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:01,519 Speaker 1: come from? Where do you seek it? When you've let 1454 01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:03,679 Speaker 1: go of something without knowing what's next. 1455 01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:15,879 Speaker 2: What I'm really trying to do now is not rush anything. 1456 01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:20,280 Speaker 2: I spent a long time squeezing so many things in 1457 01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:24,799 Speaker 2: that Actually now I just sort of think, well, don't 1458 01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:29,920 Speaker 2: force an idea to be whatever it is that you 1459 01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:34,639 Speaker 2: might you know, write or do or But then at 1460 01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,679 Speaker 2: the same time, I think what I have to really 1461 01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:43,600 Speaker 2: be conscious of now is to not be too afraid, 1462 01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:49,040 Speaker 2: to not be too scared to do anything, because I 1463 01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:54,519 Speaker 2: think I've been so enjoying this feeling of not being 1464 01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:59,439 Speaker 2: on TV every day and putting out content on whether 1465 01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,280 Speaker 2: it's you you, you know, social but I'm so aware of 1466 01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:06,759 Speaker 2: how much was just being pushed out all the time, 1467 01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:12,240 Speaker 2: and that can come with so much stuff. Totally, it's 1468 01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,759 Speaker 2: good to sit and work, but then don't be scared 1469 01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:18,960 Speaker 2: to do it. Don't be scared of the failure of it. 1470 01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,240 Speaker 2: I've only took a screen grab. I think it's the 1471 01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:28,000 Speaker 2: guy who's the new CEO of Van's Shoes. I think 1472 01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:31,559 Speaker 2: we used to work at Logitech and it says here, 1473 01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,320 Speaker 2: I've just got the screen grab which ran for a decade, 1474 01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,120 Speaker 2: which he ran for a decade, and he penned a 1475 01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:41,439 Speaker 2: doctor Seuse like poem titled the Secret of success, Oh sorry, 1476 01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:45,519 Speaker 2: the Secret to success. Avoid it. It reads in part, 1477 01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:50,560 Speaker 2: success makes you fearful of losing your place of gambling 1478 01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:54,479 Speaker 2: with stature of losing your face, and it is there 1479 01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:57,759 Speaker 2: is an element of that I feel of like, well, 1480 01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:00,760 Speaker 2: there's a very very very real answer that you do 1481 01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:05,599 Speaker 2: something and it's shit, you. 1482 01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:07,840 Speaker 1: Know, And all the greats have had that, They've all 1483 01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:08,160 Speaker 1: done that. 1484 01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,240 Speaker 2: Oh my god. But I think that's why I was 1485 01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:16,720 Speaker 2: so keen too, even in this period to make this, 1486 01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:20,000 Speaker 2: this podcast called This Life of Mine, to like go, well, no, 1487 01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,640 Speaker 2: I know, I know what this is like this this 1488 01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:24,960 Speaker 2: idea of this podcast is an idea I had when 1489 01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:29,000 Speaker 2: I was sixteen and I wrote it out. Wow, I 1490 01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,880 Speaker 2: wrote it out and it was called Planet Lovely. That's 1491 01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,000 Speaker 2: their name now it's called Planet Were Lovely because do 1492 01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:37,760 Speaker 2: you remember there used to be a TV show on 1493 01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:41,280 Speaker 2: TV on BBC two when we were growing up called 1494 01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,360 Speaker 2: Room one o one. Of course, so Room one oh 1495 01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:45,400 Speaker 2: one was a show where people would take things they 1496 01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:49,040 Speaker 2: hated in life and they would be they would put 1497 01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,759 Speaker 2: them into Room one o one and they'd be gone forever. 1498 01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:53,839 Speaker 2: It was a really funny show. It was a brilliant 1499 01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:57,599 Speaker 2: show and premise and I was like sixteen. I was like, well, 1500 01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:01,280 Speaker 2: this is great. Wouldn't it be brilliant to make a 1501 01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:05,400 Speaker 2: show which is just people talking about things that they 1502 01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:09,640 Speaker 2: love and things that are really significant in their life? 1503 01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:14,200 Speaker 2: And I wrote this like thing this planet Lovely, it's 1504 01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:18,479 Speaker 2: not called Planet Lovely anymore. The decision that that's it 1505 01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,120 Speaker 2: and not great, But I was like, why don't we 1506 01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:25,200 Speaker 2: just have people talk about things that are significant in 1507 01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:30,080 Speaker 2: their life, whether it's a film, a place, a person, 1508 01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:36,240 Speaker 2: a memory, a possession, a song, and the you know, 1509 01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:39,400 Speaker 2: I really really wanted to do it. So I was like, 1510 01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:43,280 Speaker 2: can I create something in a completely different medium that 1511 01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:47,519 Speaker 2: feels almost the antithesis of what the Lately show was? 1512 01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:51,800 Speaker 2: It's it's completely different. It's calm, and it's quiet and 1513 01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:56,720 Speaker 2: it's soft, and it's people talking about things that they 1514 01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,760 Speaker 2: love or that were moments in their life. And like, 1515 01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:04,840 Speaker 2: some of the stuff that we've heard has just been great. 1516 01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:09,800 Speaker 2: So I've really loved creativity. I'd love the creativity of 1517 01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:13,960 Speaker 2: just I don't you know, like we're going to put 1518 01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:17,760 Speaker 2: this on serious exam and hopefully people find it and 1519 01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,639 Speaker 2: hopefully it will be just a piece of joy. It'll 1520 01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:24,200 Speaker 2: be a warm hug on a Sunday afternoon, and that 1521 01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,519 Speaker 2: would be a lovely thing to put out into the world. 1522 01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:32,519 Speaker 2: But that's a sort of gestation period of thirty years. 1523 01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:36,040 Speaker 2: I don't think I should do that again. But I 1524 01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,760 Speaker 2: do think what I'd really love to do is try 1525 01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,760 Speaker 2: and write one more thing. I'd love to try and 1526 01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:43,880 Speaker 2: write one more thing. I'd love to write again with 1527 01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:48,040 Speaker 2: Ruth Jones, who I wrote Gavin and Stacey with. I 1528 01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:54,240 Speaker 2: love her so much. She is and has been a 1529 01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:58,280 Speaker 2: constant in my life as a friend. And you want 1530 01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:03,280 Speaker 2: to talk about a long friendship, you know, And so 1531 01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:06,160 Speaker 2: I'd love to try and write something else with her. 1532 01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:08,880 Speaker 2: I don't know what that'll be. I don't even know 1533 01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,800 Speaker 2: if we'll ever before do it. I don't know, but 1534 01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,400 Speaker 2: you know, we we do. We do have chats about 1535 01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:16,800 Speaker 2: maybe this is the thing, you know, so that that's 1536 01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:19,640 Speaker 2: what I'd really love to do. It's just if you 1537 01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:23,840 Speaker 2: listened to Bradley Cooper talk about making my well, he 1538 01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:30,000 Speaker 2: really just made a decision to give himself over entirely 1539 01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:37,200 Speaker 2: for three years to that project, to just go, well, 1540 01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:40,880 Speaker 2: what does it feel like actually to not move from 1541 01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,880 Speaker 2: one thing to the next, to be to hear they're 1542 01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:45,720 Speaker 2: doing this doing and what is it? What does it 1543 01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:49,800 Speaker 2: feel like to just give myself over in every way 1544 01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:52,320 Speaker 2: to the point where I imagine a lot of people 1545 01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,600 Speaker 2: around him on that set were earning more financially, but 1546 01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:59,519 Speaker 2: like as a as a as a challenge to give 1547 01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:03,280 Speaker 2: himself over to it in the most beautiful way. I 1548 01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:08,360 Speaker 2: think is it's so inspiring to watch. And I don't 1549 01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:10,280 Speaker 2: know if I've ever done that. I don't. I know 1550 01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:12,840 Speaker 2: I haven't done that. I never liked that on that level, 1551 01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:18,080 Speaker 2: But like, I don't think I've ever completely just given 1552 01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:21,880 Speaker 2: myself over to something and seen it through from inception 1553 01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:25,519 Speaker 2: to pushing it on the water and letting other people 1554 01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:29,519 Speaker 2: decide whether it's good or not and seeing who I 1555 01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,320 Speaker 2: am the other side of it. Like that's I think 1556 01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:38,599 Speaker 2: that would be a really good thing to do. Like 1557 01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:40,800 Speaker 2: I might go to I might go this. I just 1558 01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:45,719 Speaker 2: found this like seven weekend course at the Film School 1559 01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:49,080 Speaker 2: in Becconsfield or seven, I don't know how many days. 1560 01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:51,240 Speaker 2: I can't That might be wrong, but I like I think, 1561 01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:54,200 Speaker 2: oh maybe I'll maybe I'll do that. I wouldn't mind 1562 01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:57,759 Speaker 2: doing some acting classes. I didn't I just wouldn't mind 1563 01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:03,400 Speaker 2: just going, well, can I I wonder if there's one 1564 01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:08,240 Speaker 2: more thing, And if there isn't, how lucky was I? 1565 01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:12,680 Speaker 2: You know? But I really feel like I might be 1566 01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:15,240 Speaker 2: getting to a spot where I might have something to say. 1567 01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:24,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, James, you are. You're very unique and extremely extremely 1568 01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:29,760 Speaker 1: thoughtful and conscious and so honest and genuine. It's it's 1569 01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:32,559 Speaker 1: been such a treat talking to you, honestly, like genuinely 1570 01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:35,160 Speaker 1: just sitting with you, and I know that I'm listening 1571 01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:41,000 Speaker 1: to an actual stream of consciousness more than curated answers, 1572 01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,040 Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's really powerful. It's been really 1573 01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:46,120 Speaker 1: really special, and I want to thank you for giving 1574 01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:49,800 Speaker 1: me this space, holding this space and trusting you with it. 1575 01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:53,680 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a it's a real thrill to to 1576 01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:56,759 Speaker 2: sit and chat with you. It's it's it's it's it's great. 1577 01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:00,000 Speaker 2: It's it's a lovely thing you've created here. It's brilliant. 1578 01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:04,240 Speaker 2: It's really brilliant what you're doing. I'm so it's strange. 1579 01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:06,120 Speaker 2: I don't know if you feel this, but I feel 1580 01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:11,000 Speaker 2: like there's a strange thing with like Brits that go 1581 01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:15,000 Speaker 2: to America because it's only like there's only a handful 1582 01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:18,519 Speaker 2: of us who know how hard it is and how 1583 01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:23,000 Speaker 2: vast that is. So like when I look at when 1584 01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:25,400 Speaker 2: I look at your staff and I see the things 1585 01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:27,360 Speaker 2: that you're putting out, and like, I think, I walk 1586 01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:30,000 Speaker 2: past like a huge billboard of view the other week 1587 01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:31,960 Speaker 2: and I was like, and I don't know, we've never met, 1588 01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:35,679 Speaker 2: but we have friends in common. And I was like, yeah. 1589 01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:39,719 Speaker 2: I was like, gone, boy, yeah. 1590 01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:41,880 Speaker 1: When I get to work, Yeah, this is great. I 1591 01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:42,519 Speaker 1: was like, you're. 1592 01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:46,559 Speaker 2: From from green Wood Green. Yeah, You're from Wood Green. 1593 01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,559 Speaker 2: Look at him. I'm very proud of you, with no 1594 01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:50,360 Speaker 2: reason to be. 1595 01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:55,439 Speaker 1: No, mate, I appreciate it. And you know, offline today 1596 01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:57,479 Speaker 1: and online you've given me a lot of mentorship and 1597 01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,800 Speaker 1: coaching that I'll take on and i'll practice in my 1598 01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:02,799 Speaker 1: life if honestly, You've left me with some really thoughtful 1599 01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,040 Speaker 1: pieces of insight. But we end every show with the 1600 01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:08,360 Speaker 1: final five, and these are the fast five, which are 1601 01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,479 Speaker 1: answered in one word to one sentence maximum, of course, 1602 01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:15,200 Speaker 1: and so and I'll ruin that rule every time because 1603 01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:17,120 Speaker 1: you give such wonderful answers. But we'll try. 1604 01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:18,640 Speaker 2: We'll start absolutely, we'll start that. 1605 01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:21,760 Speaker 1: So, James, these are your fast five. First question is 1606 01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:25,960 Speaker 1: what is the best advice you've ever heard or received. 1607 01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:30,120 Speaker 2: To ask yourself, is this of my concern? Right? I'm 1608 01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,599 Speaker 2: gonna break it already, but I really think that phrase 1609 01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:35,840 Speaker 2: is one of the most important things you can hang 1610 01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:42,000 Speaker 2: on to, is to just go. There's a great power 1611 01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:46,920 Speaker 2: in being able to say that's none of my concern. 1612 01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:52,200 Speaker 2: It's more polite than saying I don't care. It's more 1613 01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:56,320 Speaker 2: truthful than saying it's nothing to do with me, because 1614 01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:59,200 Speaker 2: sometimes it will be to do with you. But is 1615 01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:04,720 Speaker 2: it of your concer Do you need to engage with it? 1616 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:09,960 Speaker 2: You just go, I'm sorry, what was that someone say something? 1617 01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:16,120 Speaker 2: Think about it? Oh, that's none of my concern and 1618 01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:16,559 Speaker 2: carry on. 1619 01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:20,960 Speaker 1: I love that super powerful Okay. Question number two, what 1620 01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:23,679 Speaker 1: is the worst piece of advice you've ever heard or received? 1621 01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:30,639 Speaker 2: Oh? Jeez, oh god, it's weird, you know. I think 1622 01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:33,559 Speaker 2: just do it? Right? The Nike, the Nike if you're 1623 01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:36,519 Speaker 2: in America, and the Nike if you're in England Britain. 1624 01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:41,000 Speaker 2: The I think, just do it is a brilliant slogan, right. 1625 01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:42,920 Speaker 2: I think it's one of the most powerful slogans in 1626 01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,439 Speaker 2: the world. And what makes it so powerful is that 1627 01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:49,519 Speaker 2: is the full stop is the period just do it right, 1628 01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:54,840 Speaker 2: just do it great, but that can really have other connotations. Yeah, 1629 01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:58,320 Speaker 2: so I would say I would say, don't just do it. 1630 01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,240 Speaker 2: Ask whether you want to do it? Do you really 1631 01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:03,880 Speaker 2: want to do it? And then do it. 1632 01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:06,439 Speaker 1: I love how you just went up against the greatest 1633 01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:08,240 Speaker 1: slogan of all times. 1634 01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:12,800 Speaker 2: Do you think it's a masterpiece? I just sometimes think yeah, 1635 01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:16,000 Speaker 2: because it's like you know, I would say, like you know, 1636 01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:21,599 Speaker 2: Crystal Meth, don't just do it, don't just do it? Really, 1637 01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:23,519 Speaker 2: don't just do it? Yeah, I love it. 1638 01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:25,120 Speaker 1: Now the new one when we go walk about the 1639 01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:27,640 Speaker 1: next door in England, do you really want to do it? 1640 01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:31,320 Speaker 2: It's going to ask yourself seriously, do you really want 1641 01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:34,840 Speaker 2: to do it? And if the answer is yes, just as. 1642 01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:38,600 Speaker 1: I love it, I love it. I'm looking forward to 1643 01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:39,720 Speaker 1: seeing that billboard with you on. 1644 01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:41,960 Speaker 2: It's not as snappy. I don't know if it will 1645 01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:42,760 Speaker 2: really take off. 1646 01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:47,479 Speaker 1: Question number three, how would you define your current purpose? 1647 01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:52,519 Speaker 2: I think my current purpose is to let it be 1648 01:35:53,840 --> 01:36:00,559 Speaker 2: and accept whatever it is. And that's not work, that's life, 1649 01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:07,519 Speaker 2: accept all of it. Don't get caught up in what 1650 01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:11,719 Speaker 2: you thought something should be. Just to accept what it 1651 01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:18,120 Speaker 2: is and realize how incredibly amazing is to just be alive. 1652 01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:23,200 Speaker 1: It's brilliant. Question number four, what does it feel like 1653 01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:26,960 Speaker 1: when Tom Cruise says to you your life is more 1654 01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:27,840 Speaker 1: valuable than his? 1655 01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:38,280 Speaker 2: It feels like a lie? Ja, It's like, yeah, it 1656 01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:39,960 Speaker 2: feels like a lie. And I think I knew that 1657 01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:42,960 Speaker 2: at the time, but you believed it. He I mean, man, 1658 01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,439 Speaker 2: he could say anything, and I believe him, you know, 1659 01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:50,439 Speaker 2: anything at all? Like the guy is just exceptional. Oh 1660 01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:51,879 Speaker 2: my god, amazing. 1661 01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:56,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Special fifth and final question, which we asked every 1662 01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:58,400 Speaker 1: guest has ever been on the show. If you could 1663 01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:01,719 Speaker 1: create one law everyone in the world had to follow, 1664 01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:02,800 Speaker 1: what would it be. 1665 01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:07,639 Speaker 2: I think the law should be for every minute you 1666 01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:12,519 Speaker 2: spend on social media, that when you come off the app, 1667 01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:17,240 Speaker 2: you're not allowed back on for that many minutes. So 1668 01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:19,519 Speaker 2: if you go on for an hour, you're locked out 1669 01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:22,240 Speaker 2: for an hour. If you're on for two minutes, you're 1670 01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:24,800 Speaker 2: locked out for two minutes. And I believe that should 1671 01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:28,160 Speaker 2: be the absolute law. I don't prescribe to this notion 1672 01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:31,280 Speaker 2: that these things should be banned. I think it's insane 1673 01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:36,520 Speaker 2: to think that. I just think that actually, we regulate 1674 01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:42,320 Speaker 2: the speed on the road, we regulate what age you 1675 01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:44,679 Speaker 2: are when you can vote, what age you are, when 1676 01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:48,879 Speaker 2: you can get married, have a child, do a degree, 1677 01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:53,080 Speaker 2: drink alcohol, all these things. And actually, I think one 1678 01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:57,720 Speaker 2: regulation would be that you know, you could expect if 1679 01:37:57,720 --> 01:38:03,040 Speaker 2: you need to spend seven hours on it. The second 1680 01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:07,639 Speaker 2: is dormant for a minute. You're locked out for seven hours. 1681 01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:10,679 Speaker 2: And I think people would be I think it would 1682 01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:13,080 Speaker 2: be great. I think it would be brilliant. 1683 01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:16,519 Speaker 1: That is genius. That's my that's my genius. We never 1684 01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:18,160 Speaker 1: had anything like that. 1685 01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,920 Speaker 2: I pitched it once to to I was at some 1686 01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:25,719 Speaker 2: conference thing, interviewing quite a prominent sort of Silicon Valley 1687 01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:29,840 Speaker 2: Ye you know, CEO, and I pitched this as an 1688 01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:32,040 Speaker 2: idea in the room, and it did not go down. 1689 01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:39,160 Speaker 2: They did not respond as well as you. That's why 1690 01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:43,960 Speaker 2: would we ever do that? Monetizing every all of their time? 1691 01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:46,639 Speaker 2: We want all of their time, James. We don't want 1692 01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:48,800 Speaker 2: some of their time. We want to steal it all. 1693 01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:52,519 Speaker 1: I'm the opposite. I'm thinking, how do we make that happen? 1694 01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:52,920 Speaker 2: Like what? 1695 01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:54,320 Speaker 1: That that's brilliant. 1696 01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:57,000 Speaker 2: I think it's a really interesting to play with. 1697 01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:59,360 Speaker 1: Because again, it's not I'm on a diet. I'm on 1698 01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:03,840 Speaker 1: a d top someone it's not you know, this is awful, 1699 01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:05,840 Speaker 1: this is you know on it for seven days, and. 1700 01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:08,599 Speaker 2: All of these things, all of these things social media, 1701 01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:12,040 Speaker 2: like you know, the way people the way that you know, 1702 01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:14,400 Speaker 2: the new thing where we talk about AI and it's like, 1703 01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:17,480 Speaker 2: of course it's terrifying, it's also going to be miraculous 1704 01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:21,280 Speaker 2: and brilliant. So nothing is nothing is all bad, nothing 1705 01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:23,200 Speaker 2: is all good, No one is all bad, no one 1706 01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:25,880 Speaker 2: is all good. It's impossible. But what you can do 1707 01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:29,120 Speaker 2: is regulate these things in a sense. And if that 1708 01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:32,400 Speaker 2: was just the we would all accept it. We'd all 1709 01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:34,920 Speaker 2: accept it. And I'm sure someone somewhere will find a 1710 01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:38,120 Speaker 2: hack that means you can't, but on the whole people 1711 01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:40,640 Speaker 2: would just go along with it, and they'd like, I 1712 01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:42,360 Speaker 2: can't open it. I'll open it in a minute, and 1713 01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:45,280 Speaker 2: then they would stop and look up and realize that actually, 1714 01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:50,800 Speaker 2: maybe maybe out here can nourish me more than it 1715 01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:53,280 Speaker 2: does in there. It's very hard to leave in there 1716 01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:54,679 Speaker 2: when it's always there. 1717 01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:58,400 Speaker 1: James, Your world class This Life of Mine is available 1718 01:39:58,439 --> 01:40:03,280 Speaker 1: right now wherever you listen. Two podcasts Serious right Yes, 1719 01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:06,080 Speaker 1: Serious ExM and So I hope you guys subscribe, Follow 1720 01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:08,280 Speaker 1: and look out for an episode. I'm going to get 1721 01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:11,679 Speaker 1: to jump on the podcast too, really really looking forward 1722 01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:14,360 Speaker 1: to that. Great and again, thank you so much, James. 1723 01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:15,679 Speaker 2: This is absolutely privilege. 1724 01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:19,120 Speaker 1: If you love this episode, you love my interview with 1725 01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:22,799 Speaker 1: Will Smith on owning your truth and unlocking the power 1726 01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:27,120 Speaker 1: of manifestation. Anybody who hasn't spoken to their parents or 1727 01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:32,000 Speaker 1: their brother, call them right now. Don't think you're going 1728 01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:34,719 Speaker 1: to have a chance to call them tomorrow or next week. 1729 01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:40,479 Speaker 1: That opportunity with my father changed every relationship in my life.