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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria QK. Hey, everyone,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Mother Knows Death. I'm here with Maria and

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Speaker 1: we're going to get started with the story of the week.

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Speaker 2: Our featured story this week is about some new research

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Speaker 2: that links owning cats to schizophrenia. Do you want to

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Speaker 2: explain how this is even a thing?

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Speaker 1: Well, it explains a lot in my life, I guess

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Speaker 1: they're saying, so this is really nuts. Actually, so scientists

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Speaker 1: in Australia look at seventeen different studies that have been

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Speaker 1: published over the last forty four years, over the span

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Speaker 1: of eleven different countries, and they came up that there

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Speaker 1: is an association between cat exposure and schizophrenia.

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Speaker 3: That's so wild.

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Speaker 2: I never would have thought something like this. So what

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Speaker 2: it's saying is worldwide, the illness is estimated to be

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Speaker 2: found in about one of every three hundred people, and

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Speaker 2: it was first proposed in a nineteen ninety five study

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Speaker 2: that there may be a connection between the two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so obviously everyone's first question is like, how, how

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Speaker 1: the hell is that possible? Like, what does it have

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Speaker 1: having like a cute, little fluffy cat have to do

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Speaker 1: with schizophrenia, which is a mental illness that can cause

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Speaker 1: symptoms such as paranoia and hearing voices, trouble thinking clearly.

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Speaker 1: And this usually is diagnosed when a person is in

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Speaker 1: their like their late teens or early twenties. So how

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Speaker 1: could your cat cause that in you? And the biggest

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Speaker 1: theory that they have right now is that it's linked

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Speaker 1: to a parasite that cats carried called toxo plasmosis GANDAI.

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Speaker 1: And basically this, I think any woman that's ever been

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Speaker 1: pregnant knows that this can be This pet particular parasite

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Speaker 1: could be a problem because it's present in cat poops.

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Speaker 1: So they tell you not to change the litter box

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Speaker 1: when you're pregnant because it could affect the unborn fetus.

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Speaker 1: And they think that this same exact parasite could be

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Speaker 1: the cause of the connection between the schizophrenia and having

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Speaker 1: a cat. So it's it's really interesting, actually, yeah, And I.

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Speaker 2: Was reading that they said the parasites believe to enter

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Speaker 2: through a cat's bite or a contract contact like you said,

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Speaker 2: with feces or other like cat boily fluids. But one

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Speaker 2: thing I thought was really interesting it said was that

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Speaker 2: it could also be exposed to humans by undercooked meat.

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Speaker 3: Did they mean cat meat?

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Speaker 1: Now? No, I think that just other it could be

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Speaker 1: transmissible to other animals too, And they're just saying that

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Speaker 1: like if if, even if a human's infected with it,

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Speaker 1: then it would be it could be transmitted through the meat,

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Speaker 1: because it would be like in your muscle skullar tissue,

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Speaker 1: because some parasites just stay specific to like the GI

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Speaker 1: into your It gets into your skeletal muscle somehow. But

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Speaker 1: I have a really good story to tell you about

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Speaker 1: this actually. Okay, So, like I said, when you're pregnant,

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Speaker 1: you're not supposed to change the cat litter. I think,

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Speaker 1: like really you you you probably shouldn't in general, even

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Speaker 1: if you're wearing gloves, because cat litter creates a lot

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Speaker 1: inhale based really easily too. So my friend Andrea, who's

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Speaker 1: also a PA, was pregnant and she had a cat

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Speaker 1: and her husband was like changing the litter and everything.

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Speaker 1: And she's a pathologist assistant like me. So she worked

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Speaker 3: Is TP that common still?

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Speaker 1: That's pathologist that specializes in brain pathology, and they did

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Speaker 1: But I just thought that was an interesting tidbit to

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Speaker 1: Okay, So we're gonna start with the celebrity news of

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Speaker 1: this week. We have two different celebrities that are both young,

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Speaker 2: So do you want to get started with the first one? Yeah, So,

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Speaker 2: did you ever watched Toddler's and Tierra's?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that Toddler's and Tierra's is problematic for many reasons.

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Speaker 2: But the young girl, Honey Booboo got her own spin

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Speaker 2: this is really disturbing for me to hear. Earlier this year,

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Speaker 1: It's really it's really shocking for me to hear too,

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Speaker 3: If you've never smoked.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of things about lung cancer that

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Speaker 1: I think with every single thing that we're going to

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Speaker 1: Doing that to cover their ass. The thing is, though,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the little ones were choking hazard for a child.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but if it says on the package that it's

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Speaker 1: it could The same thing could be said about weed gummies,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so a lot of these things, even you know,

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Speaker 1: But the more concern is when it gets into the

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Speaker 1: stomach and then the stomach acids start trying to digest

437
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Speaker 1: the battery and all of a sudden it causes an

438
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Speaker 1: erosion in the stomach and that which can lead to

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Speaker 1: a perforation again sepsist death. It's it's another common thing

440
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Speaker 1: that they're seeing in emergency rooms.

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Speaker 3: All right, what next?

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Speaker 2: We have toys with magnet So this was confusing for me.

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Speaker 2: So they ban these certain like magnetic they're like little

444
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Speaker 2: balls or like squares that connect together to form a chain.

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Speaker 3: So they weren't.

446
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: The Consumer Product Safety Commission ban these in twenty fourteen

447
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 2: and then unbanned them in twenty sixteen, and now their

448
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 2: new research is showing that they're again dangerous. So I'm like,

449
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 2: what happened? It was something the ban and then the un.

450
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Speaker 1: It was some court rolling I think it was in

451
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: Colorado or something that said that they couldn't ban them again.

452
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Speaker 1: These these actually have a very interesting pathology because when

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Speaker 1: children swallow these things, and they're they're little silver balls,

454
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Speaker 1: like Maria was saying, they're size of like a baby

455
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Speaker 1: or something. But they come in different sizes too. But

456
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Speaker 1: what happens is that they're so they're like these extra

457
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: crazy magnetic magnets, and when a couple of them are

458
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Speaker 1: swallowed together, they make the segment of the bow like

459
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: actually stick together because it could go through the bow wall,

460
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Speaker 1: that's how strong they are, and it causes a pseudo

461
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: effect that you would see in a person that had

462
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Speaker 1: like surgical adhesions or something that was causing their bow

463
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: to be kind of kinked up and not let the

464
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: poop flow through correctly. And again that could lead to perforations,

465
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Speaker 1: sepsist death. And we could kind of jump down to

466
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Speaker 1: the bottom of the list where we're talking about knockoffs,

467
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Speaker 1: because a lot of these problems occur from websites like

468
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Speaker 1: Amazon that they're selling products that are from other countries.

469
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Speaker 1: They're not going through the same standards as ours. They

470
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Speaker 1: can't be checked. I just saw that there was a

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Speaker 1: recall for I mean, this is kind of side note,

472
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Speaker 1: but on Amazon, I saw there was a recall for

473
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Speaker 1: bumpers because kids were dying. Babies were dying from these

474
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Speaker 1: bumpers that have been banned in the United States, but

475
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Speaker 1: somehow they were listed on Amazon. It's a baltam and

476
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Speaker 1: then the kid died. So this you you have to

477
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Speaker 1: think about that too with Amazon, Like, just because you

478
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: can purchase something on Amazon doesn't mean that it's safe

479
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: for your kid because the safety there's no one checking

480
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: that stuff. It's even with certain like makeup and stuff.

481
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Speaker 1: I'm like very wary of buying makeup that's not from

482
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Speaker 1: name brands because you get scared about your kids putting

483
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Speaker 1: that on their face, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And just to wrap up this list, like the

485
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Speaker 2: other ones, I feel like you're pretty obvious dangers like hoverboards, trampolines,

486
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Speaker 2: toys with loose and small parts.

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Speaker 3: Of course, those problems.

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Speaker 1: Well, so when we wrote this up, Maria had found

489
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Speaker 1: that the most common injuries, now we're not talking about

490
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Speaker 1: deaths from toys, but the most common injuries from toys

491
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Speaker 1: were from these like scooters, horverboards, skateboard things broken.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not just the electronic ones either, it's also

493
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Speaker 2: the non motorized classicos. Kids just like go crazy on

494
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 2: them and break their bones constantly. There the number one

495
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Speaker 2: er visit related to toys every year is the scooter.

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Speaker 1: If you guys want to check out that post in

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Speaker 1: the Grosser room, it's really it's really it's kind of

498
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: like a fun but not fun post. We like to

499
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Speaker 1: try to do things that are themed for the holidays,

500
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Speaker 1: but one of the fun parts of the post is

501
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: the history of some of these toys that we were

502
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: going back to, like the nineteen fifties, which was there

503
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: was a there was a kit that you can have.

504
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: It was like a radioactive science kit for kids, and

505
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: they they had real uranium in it for children to

506
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Speaker 1: play with and slip and slide. What were those the

507
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: ones you had when you were a kid? Oh he

508
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: heally's so's it's an interesting article, and of course we

509
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: show we show pictures and stuff of what some of

510
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: these surgeries look like after the kids have problems with

511
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Speaker 1: these toys.

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Speaker 2: The uranium's pretty crazy to me because we actually have

513
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: a were you local to us where you know what

514
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 2: those antique stores. They sell those uranium plates that are

515
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: under like the play and you can see them glow.

516
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Speaker 3: And a kid got one at a local.

517
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Speaker 2: Antique shop and brought it to one of our local

518
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Speaker 2: high schools and they shut the whole heights.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was ridiculous. It was like a hazmat situation. And

521
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Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, it was for uranium glass. That's ridiculous.

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00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: Okay.

523
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Speaker 1: Another Christmas related story has to do with Santa Claus

524
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Speaker 1: getting or Missus Clause getting third degree burns. You want

525
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Speaker 1: to talk about.

526
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Speaker 2: That, Well, I actually think it was the friend of

527
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: Missus Clause that got oh. Okay, but uh, this this

528
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: story happened in Plymouth, Michigan. It's like really horrible. Actually,

529
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Speaker 2: there was this at this north Ridge church. There was

530
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Speaker 2: an annual Christmas performance that it said it draws around

531
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Speaker 2: thirty two thousand people between two weekends to view spectacular.

532
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Speaker 2: It's something you know, like I just saw Mariah Carrey

533
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: Christmas Show last night, and I think it just would

534
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: be a nice event to go to. So this is

535
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: especially unfortunate that this happened. But this woman, she was

536
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Speaker 2: in a costume and she came into contact with a

537
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Speaker 2: candle that was accidentally left on the stage from a

538
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: previous I guess song or a little number they did,

539
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Speaker 2: and her entire thing went up and flames. She has

540
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Speaker 2: third degree burns. She's going to be in the hospital

541
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Speaker 2: for a couple of weeks getting treated. It's really horrible.

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00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: Uh Okay. Can I ask the obvious question, what, why

543
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Speaker 1: would you ever be using a real candle when they

544
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: sell candles that look like they're on fire, Like, I

545
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: just well, yeah, it just doesn't agree make any sense

546
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: to me.

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00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: I agree with you there.

548
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: It definitely like this is under the freak accident category

549
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: because obviously, like I've been in band in choir and

550
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: I know that they do these things, and all I

551
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: see is probably they had a bunch of singers holding

552
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 2: real candles and somebody put one down not thinking about it,

553
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: and then a tragedy like this happens. So I agree

554
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Speaker 2: with you, they certainly should not be using real handles

555
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: when they make such They make such good fake candles

556
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Speaker 2: and they're not that expensive, so it's not even like

557
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Speaker 2: a cost thing.

558
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And like those costumes that use for stage productions

559
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: are like pieces of shit. They're like they blow, they're

560
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: they're they're like a fire waiting to happen. Right, They're

561
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: all like polyester and just like totally inorganic materials covered

562
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Speaker 1: in chemicals. It was probably like that red sparkly stuff

563
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: and everything and the fake fur and all. And I mean,

564
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Speaker 1: this is this is no joke. This woman has third

565
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Speaker 1: degree burns, which is a full thickness burned through all

566
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Speaker 1: of the layers of your skin and the subcutaneous tissue

567
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Speaker 1: like thirty percent. Yes body, she's gonna need skin graft

568
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: and she's gonna have lifelong complications if I mean, she's

569
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Speaker 1: at a high, high likelihood of not even surviving this.

570
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Speaker 1: Because when you get burns on that much of your

571
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: body that bad you, you're at an increased risk for infection.

572
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: Your skin controls your your temperature regulation. People don't realize

573
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: that your skin is an organ and it's your most

574
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: important organ that keeps all of the bad stuff out

575
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Speaker 1: of your body. And I mean, she's gonna deal with

576
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Speaker 1: this the rest of her life. It's like, no joke.

577
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Speaker 2: And she's your age, she's very young. I like, well, thanks,

578
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Speaker 2: I like that.

579
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Speaker 1: In the article they're like they pause the show, and

580
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Speaker 1: I'm like, they pause the show that they continue to

581
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: say after that we have a.

582
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Speaker 2: Lot of stories coming up where there's very questionable choices

583
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: like that, And then she's telling the woman that received that.

584
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: Burns was telling her pastor that she was most bummed

585
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Speaker 2: out that she was missing the show. I'm like, you're

586
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: not bummed out that you have a life altering injury.

587
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I don't know. I don't know.

588
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: I feel horrible for her, especially something that was supposed

589
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: to be like a fun, festive activity.

590
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I feel horrible for like little Johnny

591
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: sitting in the audience that watched this lady like burning

592
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: and security smothering her to try to get the fire out,

593
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: like I can't.

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00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,719
Speaker 2: I didn't even tell you this. Last night, when we

595
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: were getting up to leave the show, some girl in

596
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: the row in front of us launched like two rows down.

597
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: I don't even know what happened. She was so drunk

598
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: and smacked her head so hard on the seat and

599
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: people in front of her, and I got that gut

600
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: wrenching like, oh my god, because she was flying through

601
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: the air. It was so dramatic. But I was like,

602
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: if she goes over the railing, I'm going to throw up.

603
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I always feel like imagine, I always feel

604
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: like the stadium is like so steep. I always think

605
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: feel like I'm gonna fall down. Okay, So in in Pakistan,

606
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: these these zoo cleaners, they were cleaning out the zoo

607
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: and they look over at one of the big cats

608
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Speaker 1: and they see a shoe in the big cat's mouth

609
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: and they they quote, thought that was suspicious, really really,

610
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: and they ended up going in and they found the

611
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: guy in the enclosure that looked like he was ripped apart,

612
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: ripped apart, and that was his cause of death. And

613
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Speaker 1: it did look like he had some defensive wounds. But

614
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Speaker 1: really the best part of the story is that it says, quote,

615
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Speaker 1: our assessment so far is that this appears to be

616
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Speaker 1: a lunatic.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I had I had that.

618
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Speaker 2: They they said a quote lunatic was believed to go

619
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Speaker 2: into the den because no right person in the right

620
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Speaker 2: mind would just enter a den. It's unclear if it

621
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Speaker 2: was a tiger a leopard too. It seemed like whoever

622
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: was writing the article had like some translation mishap with

623
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Speaker 2: the government official from Pakistan. But this, yeah, this is

624
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: definitely a wild story. I can't imagine just seeing a

625
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: shoe and being like something doesn't seem quite right.

626
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then like, like, where where else the big

627
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: cat get a show? All right?

628
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Speaker 2: Didn't we have a situation at our zoo where the

629
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Speaker 2: kimono dragon like ate somebody?

630
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Speaker 1: I don't think that was our zoo. Wasn't that like

631
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Speaker 1: something to do with Sharon Stone? No, there's like a

632
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: Sharon's commonage. There's definitely a Sharon Stone Kimona Dragon thing.

633
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Speaker 1: I don't know if she had one as a pet

634
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: or something, and it like ate her boyfriend. I don't know.

635
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: We need to look that up.

636
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 2: What I just listened to a really good and I'm

637
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Speaker 2: I think, actually, I'm gonna have to look this up.

638
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 2: I listened to a really great interview with her last

639
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: week and it maybe.

640
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 3: Just want to look up a bunch of stuff about it.

641
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: What search her name and Kimona Dragon. I swear to God,

642
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: like I could be totally wrong, but something's triggering me

643
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 1: to think that, all right, this is as a parent,

644
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: this is you know, we always have these as a parent.

645
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: This is a horrible story. But there was an accidental

646
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: fetanyl exposure at a school and ree do you want

647
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: to you want to get into telling everyone what happened?

648
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 2: So this fourth grader brought in a bag of gummy

649
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: bears and seven kids ate the gummy bears and then

650
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 2: all started presenting symptoms of nausea, diarrhea. They were all lethargic,

651
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: so they had to be taking a couple of them.

652
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 2: Five of them had to be taken to the hospital.

653
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 2: But when they tested the bag, it seems like that

654
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Speaker 2: there was fentanyl in the bag, not in the gummy

655
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Speaker 2: bears itself. And the weirdest part is that another kid

656
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Speaker 2: from the home brought the same exact bag of gummy

657
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Speaker 2: bears to his class as well, and.

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Speaker 3: There was no traces of it at all.

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Speaker 2: And two people have been arrested in connection of this case,

660
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Speaker 2: but they're not really saying like how the people are

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Speaker 2: connected to the child at all. It's not clear if

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Speaker 2: it's a relative or something nefarious happened. So it's just

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Speaker 2: a really weird story.

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Speaker 1: And these kids are could you imagine like this, this

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Speaker 1: is just like thanks another thing I didn't think about

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Speaker 1: when my kids are in school today, because they have

667
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Speaker 1: these rules at all the schools I know. I've talked

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Speaker 1: to my friends too that like the kids shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: sharing each other's food, but like, I swear to God

670
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Speaker 1: every single day when I empty my kid's lunchbox out,

671
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: they have wrappers and stuff that I'm like, that's definitely

672
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Speaker 1: I didn't send that with them. This is what kids do.

673
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: They're like, Hey, you want to trade me for this?

674
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Speaker 1: You want to trade me for that? And there's really

675
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Speaker 1: I just feel like there's no way to really monitor it, right,

676
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Speaker 1: And I personally don't care them, Like, as long as

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Speaker 1: my kids are eating, I don't care. But now you're thinking, like,

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Speaker 1: what if some kid in your class it's given your

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Speaker 1: kid gummy bears. This is a fourth grade class. They

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Speaker 1: eat them, of course because it's candy. And then all

681
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're getting a call that your kid's

682
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Speaker 1: been exposed to FEN and all like what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the investigators are really unsure if the bag

684
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Speaker 2: was tampered with in the home or they said that

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00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: the kids were brought to school by their caregiver. I

686
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Speaker 2: don't know what that means, whether it was a nanny

687
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: or a neighbor helping or a family member, but they're

688
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: not sure when the bag got altered. And it was

689
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: especially weird that another kid in the house brought the

690
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Speaker 2: same exact setup and didn't have any issue, So this

691
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Speaker 2: is definitely really bizarre.

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Speaker 1: Thanks stink Bomb. All right, now we're gonna get started

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Speaker 1: with violent crimes.

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Speaker 3: Did you send this story to Michelle?

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Speaker 1: The next one?

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Speaker 3: This?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this first story in violent Crimes. I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 2: that's where her son goes to Calle.

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Speaker 1: He does, yees?

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Speaker 2: So Michelle, Okay, Michelle, So we definitely need to talk

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Speaker 2: about this after you listen to it, but we'll let

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Speaker 2: you listen to this story first, so well.

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Speaker 1: Explain that Michelle is because people might not know who

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Speaker 1: she is.

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Speaker 2: Oh sorry, sorry, sorry. Michelle is our wonderful family friend.

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Speaker 2: We love her so much. She's a guest writer in

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Speaker 2: the Gross Room. She's our producer, extraordinary, she's incredible. We

743
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Speaker 2: love to have her in our life. So I'm really

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Speaker 2: excited for he like.

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Speaker 1: She's gonna like this. So a couple that is scientists

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Speaker 1: at the University of Florida have just been arrested for

747
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Speaker 1: locking their kids in cages.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this story is absolutely horrible. So this little boy

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00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: went to school and told his teacher he did not

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Speaker 2: want to go home because his parents were locking him

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Speaker 2: in a cage. So then the teacher calls the police,

752
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Speaker 2: and they were accompanied by a social worker and go

753
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Speaker 2: into the house to which they find two cages. One

754
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Speaker 2: was from a wooden crate, I believe, and then the

755
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Speaker 2: second one was from an old crib. So these parents

756
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Speaker 2: were locking their six year old and their two year

757
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Speaker 2: old in these cages, and the mother didn't even deny it.

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Speaker 2: She explained about the six year old that his behavior

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Speaker 2: was so bad and no daycare would take him, and

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Speaker 2: she didn't know how to control them, so she put

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Speaker 2: him in there, but.

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Speaker 3: Only for a couple hours. What's the big deal? They

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Speaker 3: would let him out after work.

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Speaker 1: Like That's the scariest part is that, like she didn't

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Speaker 1: think anything was wrong with this, Like I guess she

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Speaker 1: was working from home or something and couldn't put the

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Speaker 1: kid in daycare and she had to get worke done.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you know what I would be

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Speaker 1: a really interesting show actually is to if we could

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Speaker 1: somehow talk to teachers and just say, like, what are

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Speaker 1: some outrageous things that you've heard from kids that are

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Speaker 1: totally off the wall like this, Like imagine because sixth grade,

773
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Speaker 1: the kids what in first grade? And the kid goes

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Speaker 1: up to his teacher and says that, Like, how do

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Speaker 1: you even respond to that if you're just like a

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Speaker 1: regular person hearing something like that.

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Speaker 2: Also, how do you decipher from truth and fiction? Because

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Speaker 2: kids like say a lot of stuff, But I guess

779
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: you have to look into it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't know. And this situation came true.

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Speaker 2: So then the two year old, they found that the

782
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Speaker 2: six year old explained to the officers that the parents

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Speaker 2: would put his two year old little brother in this

784
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Speaker 2: upside down old crib in their bedroom closet, and there

785
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: was a mattress turned upside down with all these springs

786
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Speaker 2: popping out of it, so extremely dangerous to a toddler

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Speaker 2: and not right.

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Speaker 3: So these people have been arrested.

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Speaker 2: And what I was saying earlier about questional choices is

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Speaker 2: that they're only on like leave of absence from their

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Speaker 2: job or something. Yeah, like wouldn't you be fired immediately?

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Speaker 1: I don't know how it works. I mean, obviously, like

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Speaker 1: their attorney is saying that the use of cages is

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Speaker 1: grossly misrepresented, and I don't know if because I guess

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Speaker 1: if they wrongfully fire them without them having really been

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Speaker 1: convicted of a crime yet, then maybe they can get

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Speaker 1: in trouble for that too. I don't know how it works.

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Speaker 1: It's just what's alarming to me is like, listen, like

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Speaker 1: I've worked with scientists my entire life, and along with myself,

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Speaker 1: almost every scientist I know is like weird, right, but

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Speaker 1: not in a like lock your kids in cages kind

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Speaker 1: of way, just in like like a star trek kind

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Speaker 1: of way. I don't know. It's just it's alarming to

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Speaker 1: me because I think, Okay, these people are scientists, they

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Speaker 1: are educated, they know that this isn't right. So what's

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Speaker 1: gone on there that they did it with two different children?

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Speaker 1: And it's always more alarming when two parents, like two adults,

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Speaker 1: two educated people are doing something together. It's because there's

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Speaker 1: not one being like, this isn't right, we shouldn't do this,

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Speaker 1: talking sense into the other one. That's perfect example of

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Speaker 1: like two people that should never have gotten together in

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Speaker 1: this world.

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Speaker 2: No, it's disgusting, and the mother's pleading not guilty. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure where the father stands on it, but she

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Speaker 2: really doesn't think she's done anything wrong by it at all.

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Speaker 2: And I think there could be an argument of like

817
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: a homemade contraption versus a playpen, but like, no, you can't. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like I like, she can't justify this at all.

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Speaker 3: It's disgusting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I see, like putting a gate over the steps

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Speaker 1: because you don't want the kid to like fall down

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Speaker 1: the steps. But it's not even cool if you have

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Speaker 1: a huge bedroom to shut the door and lock the

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Speaker 1: kid in the room, Like it's.

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Speaker 3: Just you can't.

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Speaker 2: You can't trap a child under a crib that's hearted

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Speaker 2: upside down, like in no world is this script?

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Speaker 1: No, it's not all right. This next case is is

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Speaker 1: it happened at the shore we go to multiple times

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Speaker 1: a year in the summer in New Jersey, in Ocean City,

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Speaker 1: New Jersey, where you want to tell them a little

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Speaker 1: bit about what happened.

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Speaker 2: When I opened this in our document the other day,

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Speaker 2: it was right before I went to bed and I

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Speaker 2: read the person so it was like, this is not

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Speaker 2: good to go to bed too. So this happened in

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Speaker 2: Ocean City, New Jersey, which is in Cape May County.

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Speaker 2: So this forty six year old male called nine one

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Speaker 2: one and said that he had killed his mother, and

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Speaker 2: it seems like there was a history of severe mental

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Speaker 2: illness going on with this person. So they get to

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Speaker 2: his apartment in Ocean City and find him naked, covered

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Speaker 2: in blood over the headless, dead body of his mother.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so when first responders came, that's what they walked into.

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Speaker 1: And in a beautiful, short town, it's I'm sure it

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Speaker 1: was very unexpected for them to see that. They looked

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Speaker 1: at security footage and saw that the woman's head was

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Speaker 1: thrown out of the apartment into the hallway, and then

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Speaker 1: he kind of like peeked through later and then ended

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Speaker 1: up going pulling his mother's dead body into the hallway,

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Speaker 1: and I guess that's when he decided to call nine

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Speaker 1: one one.

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Speaker 2: The visuals of this are so disturbing, like it makes

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Speaker 2: me sick to even think about. Yeah, I'm sure they

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00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 2: so rarely see crimes of this caliber down there, so

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Speaker 2: this is a Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I can't. It's pretty chill down there, and they don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean they have I'm sure they have their their

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Speaker 1: share of things happening, but this was probably like a

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Speaker 1: nice little shock right before the holidays.

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Speaker 2: Imagine living in the apartment building and just like leaving

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Speaker 2: your house to go out, and like it actually says.

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Speaker 1: Exactly where it happened, so I like, I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: visualize it because it's right in the heart of town,

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Speaker 1: so it's not really said at least it's not like

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Speaker 1: on season, so there's not really a lot of people

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Speaker 1: down there right now. Yeah, okay, but this next story

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Speaker 1: is about this guy that was impaled with a golf club,

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Speaker 1: So do you want to talk about this? Yeah, this

870
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: guy is a former ballet dancer and he is working

871
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: at a grocery store as a clerk and first responders

872
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: found him with a golf club impaled through his torso, so.

873
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: They've arrested a forty four year old suspect and it

874
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 2: was a six hour standoff at a nearby apartment. So

875
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: this is just a really bizarre situation. I'm thinking of

876
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 2: getting impaled with a golf club, don't you feel like

877
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: it'd be a little hard to get through somebody?

878
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: Yes, I do, but it depends just because it depends

879
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: what the shape of the end of it was. But no,

880
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it just depends on what the shape of it.

881
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: It's a long metal stick and if you push it

882
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: hard enough through somebody, you can do it. And we see. Yeah,

883
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: I've seen injuries a few times reported of people getting

884
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: beat up with golf clubs, never stabbed with one and

885
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 1: stuck through their body and killed them. They were saying

886
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: that there was a significant amount of blood at the scene,

887
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming they that the golf club nick to

888
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: the a order or a major branch coming off of it,

889
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: and that's he bled to death right then and there.

890
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: But how how freak and tragic it is? Definitely okay.

891
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 1: So another disturbing story involving a nurse slash hospital worker

892
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: that is just doing the most unconsciouable things to patients.

893
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: Do you want to you want to talk about this guy?

894
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: Christopher Lambros was just sentenced to twenty two years in

895
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: prison for sexually assaulting multiple female patients that were unconscious

896
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: in the ICU. So this story is so incredibly disturbing.

897
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: In July of twenty twenty two, an employee had walked

898
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: in to the room and had found him, I'm assuming,

899
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 2: performing oral sex of some type on an unconscious woman

900
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: by the way the scene was described, and trying to

901
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 2: take a selfie of him doing it with her exposed

902
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: genitals and breast, and then he was he was questioned

903
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: and he said that it was a misunderstanding. It's always

904
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 2: like a misunderstanding.

905
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: Miss He said he had a misunderstanding with a coworker,

906
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: meaning like I think he was saying like he was

907
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: having problems with a coworker and she was trying to

908
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: make it seem like more than what it really was.

909
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: That's Yea's how I right.

910
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: So investigators took his phone and found, of course, thousands

911
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 2: of pictures of him just assaulting women. He was just

912
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 2: taking videos and pictures of him just doing horrible things

913
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 2: to these unconscious women. Most of them were around your

914
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: age and older, and they believe they identified thirteen different

915
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: victims between all of his photos, but they've only been

916
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 2: able to identify.

917
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 3: Five of them.

918
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and on the videos, he was saying like really

919
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: disturbing stuff about how this was part of his dexter collection,

920
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: and he was also on there saying don't ever get

921
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: rid of these videos, like what a freaking weirdo.

922
00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is weird.

923
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 2: And so all these pictures are dated between twenty twenty

924
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: one and twenty twenty two, but they're thinking, based on

925
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: other information they've received, that this has been happening since

926
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. So if they've found thirteen victims between a

927
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 2: one year period, then like how many more are there?

928
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like, again, really cool that your

929
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: your family member is sick and dying in the ICU

930
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: and some megacreepster perv is giving oral sex to her

931
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 1: and then think about getting a phone call that this happened.

932
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: This is what you have to This is what you

933
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: have to deal with, Like it it's so messed up.

934
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's what we've talked about the last two

935
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 2: weeks with these disgusting perverts that are just like doing

936
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 2: necrophilia and everything, because you know, three of these, three

937
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 2: of these victims that have been identified have to seased

938
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: since these pictures were taken, and it's like now they

939
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: have to notify the families. I just what closure can

940
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: you ever get knowing that your loved one was violated

941
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 2: in such a horrible way, And how as the other women,

942
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: how are you living knowing you were in such a

943
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: vulnerable state and supposed to be in the care of

944
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 2: trusted employees, only to be violated when you were knocked out.

945
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: Like is like porn and hand jobs like old fashion?

946
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: Now is that it is the new thing? Like let's

947
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 1: like have sex with with severely unconscious people or dead people?

948
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: What's going on with that?

949
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is a fetish that's been

950
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: happening for hundreds of years, but just with social media

951
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: and everything, we're just hearing about it a lot more

952
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: so I don't really know. And now you know, the

953
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: Internet's designed to give you your niche kinks, right, so

954
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: everybody's able to look up exactly the content they want.

955
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: And I think it's something we've discussed in past interviews

956
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 2: with like doctor shaham das we had in the grocer

957
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 2: room a couple of months ago. That these things build,

958
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: like people might look these things up on like the

959
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 2: quote unquote Dark Web and everything, and then it escalates

960
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 2: to them doing it in person, and it's just keeps

961
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 2: escalating and escalating because once they're fetish is fueled, it

962
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: just starts getting to a point where it's never enough,

963
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: so you have to go to like the next extreme,

964
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 2: which was a case with Jeffrey Dahmer.

965
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I just I'm sorry, I can't wrap

966
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: my head around it. And I'd liked it. I'd actually

967
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: would like to talk to other nurses that worked with him,

968
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: because I doubt that he was completely normal and this

969
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: was like the one weird thing that he did. I'm

970
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: sure he was like way off and it probably you

971
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: always work with a person that you're like, eh, like

972
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: they're a little like they're not normal, and I just

973
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: I'm curious about that.

974
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 2: And this is another case where he was suspended, which

975
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 2: I understand that he has to be proven guilty, but like,

976
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 2: come on.

977
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: Unreal, Okay, this case happened right near my mom's house. Actually,

978
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: there was a six year old kid came home from

979
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: school and said that they were visibly upset and said

980
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: that the school bus age to strangle them. And they

981
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: called the police obviously, and at the same time the

982
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: bus driver that was driving around the assistant and the child,

983
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: I guess they contacted police as well and said that

984
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: they had seen something like this, and they looked at

985
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: the surveillance film and sure enough, it looked like this

986
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: assistant bus driver was strangling this kid for about seven

987
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: seconds after he was trying to get a seatbelt on.

988
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the driver had seen the act happening and immediately,

989
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: when returning to the bus terminal, had reported the incident

990
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 2: to his superiors. And then when the kid got home

991
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 2: he had marks on him and everything. And then they

992
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: checked the surveillance footage on the bus and saw exactly

993
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 2: what happened. And the guy that was he was in

994
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: his seventy two year old aid on the bus was

995
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: the guy that did in. He voluntarily turned himself in.

996
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 2: But how absolutely disgusting.

997
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: Well, you know this went okay, hey, because this could

998
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: have the kid could have passed out. I mean within

999
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: five seconds of closing off the karateid artery you can

1000
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: you can pass out. And he could have caused a

1001
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: serious brain injury to this kid, if not death. And

1002
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: that's what's a lot of these stories are that you know,

1003
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: when your children leave your When your children leave you,

1004
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: you're trusting other adults to take care of them, and

1005
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff happens because there's always and you

1006
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: don't know this situation, Like the guy could have had

1007
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: a really bad day and just broke up with his

1008
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 1: wife or something and was just like just flipped the switch.

1009
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: He could have been fine all the time. It's just

1010
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: like you never and not justifying that at all, but

1011
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, you don't ever know what's going

1012
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: on in people's lives, and sometimes people like like with

1013
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 1: the story we just talked about, a person's a nurse

1014
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: and is doing stuff like this. They're there to help,

1015
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: and they're there and they're actually hurting. This guy's there

1016
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: to help and he's hurting like it happens. It's just

1017
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: so scary, especially if I to your kid.

1018
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I can't imagine like I've I've obviously, because

1019
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: I'm human, had times in my life where I've gotten

1020
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: really angry at a person, but I've never felt the

1021
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: urge to like harm them. It's just this really insane

1022
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: thing to hurt a child, like such a little kid, Like,

1023
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 2: what are they possibly doing that Lawren's joking them.

1024
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. All right, this this next story is

1025
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: probably up there with one of my favorites of the week.

1026
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: There was there was a cop and he was at

1027
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: a sex store with his wife and they were in line,

1028
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: and then he started talking about how the wife didn't

1029
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: need fake penises to put him to shame, and they

1030
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: were having an argument and he looked like he was

1031
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: going to slap his wife when the clerk stepped in

1032
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: and tried to get them to stop fighting, and the

1033
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: cop ended up like giving the guy beat down in

1034
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: the dildo store.

1035
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he like beat the shit out of the clerk

1036
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 2: and then like classic temper tantrum, like threw merch all

1037
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 2: over the place.

1038
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: So he was throwing dildo's at the guy basically, Yeah,

1039
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: like I.

1040
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 3: Can't even imagine responding to the scene.

1041
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 2: So it's like he like beats the shit out of

1042
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 2: this guy because his wife clearly wants something better and electronic.

1043
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 2: And then they speed away and he gets pulled over

1044
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: and they get the call at the same time. So

1045
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 2: they were like all right, like, we know you did this.

1046
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: Yes, they pulled him over for speeding, and then the

1047
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: call came in that he beat down the sex toy

1048
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: shop worker and that's when you get in trouble. But

1049
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: the best part of the story, though, is that TMZ

1050
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 1: had said that there was no word if his wife

1051
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: got the toy that she wanted pull through Santa Dude.

1052
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 2: Like I most people don't realize that TMZ is actually

1053
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: a really like credible news source. But when you read

1054
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 2: these articles, you're like, what goes on in these people's minds?

1055
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: They're just written so insane, Like the headlines, like do

1056
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: you ever see ones that there is a story we

1057
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 2: cut this week about Amanda Bynes getting eyelid surgery and

1058
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 2: it will be like Amanda Bines gets eyelid surgery.

1059
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 3: You okay, Hunt, Yeah, I know they do.

1060
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: They do write like really funny things like that. All right,

1061
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: So this case that we're going to talk about next

1062
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 1: is an old case of Casey Anthony, and we'll briefly

1063
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: talk about it because eventually we'll like really get into

1064
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 1: depth with this case. I think anybody that's that lives

1065
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: on the planet Earth has heard about this. You want

1066
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: to get into what's going on with this case. I

1067
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: only want you talking about Casey Anthony and Nancy's voice

1068
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: and referring to that as top Mom, top Mom, Casey Anthony.

1069
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 3: Top Mom.

1070
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 2: Casey Anthony murdered her child in two thousand. Well, she

1071
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 2: was accused of murdering her child in two thousand and eight,

1072
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 2: and it's pretty obvious to most people she was guilty.

1073
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 2: But now there's she was acquitted ultimately and nobody's been

1074
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 2: convicted of this crime. We will get into all the

1075
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 2: nitty gritty about it later, but there's all this speculation

1076
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: that her parents were involved and her dad had been

1077
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: molesting her. So now A and E is coming out

1078
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: with a special in a couple of weeks where her

1079
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: parents are going to take a light detector test in

1080
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 2: this documentary.

1081
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I like, listen, I think that there's mounting

1082
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: evidence that shows that she was somehow involved with this

1083
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: kid dying, but so were her parents. I'm sorry, like

1084
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: that whatever was going on there was like completely weird.

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00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: How they've been acting afterwards, completely weird, not normal at all.

1086
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: So I I mean, the thing is with a polygraph

1087
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: test is that they're they're not even I don't even

1088
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: think they hold up in court because they're they're wrong

1089
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: all the time. And I really think that if you're

1090
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: some kind of a sociopath that you could easily beat

1091
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: those things because they don't. They base it on your

1092
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,479
Speaker 1: heart rate and everything like that.

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00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 2: Like those Yeah, those things are inadmissible evidence anymore. Same

1094
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: with blood spatter, and now they don't count, like you could,

1095
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: you could try to submit them or whatever, but they

1096
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 2: don't count because exactly what you just said, certain people

1097
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: with certain personality types are able to beat those things

1098
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 2: because it is by your heart rate and everything. So

1099
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: people that are like sociopathic, whatever the proper terminology is,

1100
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 2: are able to.

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00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: So what's going to happen, Like, okay, so this is

1102
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: the one or two options. One it's going to be like, oh,

1103
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: they're clear they had nothing to do with it, and

1104
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like bullshit. Or it's going to say

1105
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: that they had something to do with it, and then

1106
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, hell, yeah they did. I'm only

1107
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: gonna believe it when it goes my way. But but

1108
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: that's that's how I feel about it. And it's also

1109
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: kind of gross because, like, let's say, from their perspective,

1110
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: they've already taken this, probably right, because this is airing

1111
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, so they've probably already taken this.

1112
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: So like, what if it does say that they really

1113
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: want that information going out there that they.

1114
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: Listen, you and I both know that it's gonna say

1115
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: they're not involved, and they would never have agreed to

1116
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 2: this unless it was going to be in their favor

1117
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 2: or they're telling the truth and they know it's going

1118
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 2: to be in their favor because the truth's on their side,

1119
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 2: although that's not possible. This is retaliation because last year

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00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 2: Peacock had released a series about Casey Anthony and her

1121
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 2: side of the truth, and honestly, as somebody that's followed

1122
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 2: this case pretty much my entire true crime loving life,

1123
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 2: I my perspective changed slightly during that, and we did

1124
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: a whole recap about that last year when it came out.

1125
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: But I'm not saying she was innocent one hundred percent,

1126
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 2: but I'm feeling a little different about the dead So, oh.

1127
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely something weird. And listen, I've known this

1128
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: from the beginning because I was I was a teen

1129
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: mom too, and I lived with my parents too. So

1130
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: I could speak from one hundred percent experience of like

1131
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: what that situation was likee living in a house, like

1132
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: raising your kid with the grandparents still there and everything.

1133
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you the biggest red flag is

1134
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: when when that kid was missing for one day, Like

1135
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: if that was our life, MO, mom would have intervened

1136
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: on day one. And I don't know why it took

1137
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: thirty days for her mom to finally call the cops.

1138
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: So right there, it's like if you have your grandchild

1139
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: living in the house and the daughter is acting like

1140
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: maybe you're not scared that the daughter's gonna hurt the kid,

1141
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: but the daughter's like just partying and doing this and that,

1142
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: and you're like just scared that the kid's like not

1143
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: in the best loving situation at that time. You're gonna

1144
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: be on top of that and try to find that

1145
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: kid and not let some kid that the kid probably

1146
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: lied her whole life, right Like, Mom, she's fine, she's

1147
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,919
Speaker 1: fine for like thirty days before you call the cops.

1148
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: I just there's that didn't pass the smell test for

1149
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: me right away.

1150
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 2: So the Peacock SERI he's really helped me see that

1151
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: she was a really young woman with a father that

1152
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 2: was really intimidating, and I think all three involved have

1153
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 2: some level of guilt. Yeah, they're all gross, and it

1154
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 2: can't all be pinned on a young person that was

1155
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: intimidated by their parents. Yeah, that's all I'm gonna leave

1156
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 2: it with.

1157
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. All right, So moving on the medical news,

1158
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: we have a super weird story.

1159
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 2: So this twenty six year old was conceived by IVF

1160
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 2: and so was her younger sister, which I believe this

1161
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 2: sister was twenty three r eight three years younger. So

1162
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 2: she was saying that she wrote this personal essay that

1163
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 2: she thought that it was really cool that she was

1164
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 2: conceived by IVF and that her parents had left over embryos,

1165
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 2: and she had been worried about fertility struggles in her

1166
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: own life, so she had briefly considered maybe carrying one

1167
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 2: of her parents' other embryo.

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01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: Yes, like there just has to be a line drawn

1169
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: right now of like weird shit, and this crosses the line.

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01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 3: How long can you keep embryos?

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01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: They they could stay a long time. I mean, I

1172
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: think I get what the concern is is that they're

1173
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: sitting there and you would want to do something with them,

1174
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: and I like how the end of this article says

1175
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 1: that I don't know if the parents want to start

1176
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: something like this or something like this already exists, that

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01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: there's like an embryo adoption thing because IVF could be

1178
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: so expensive for some people. So instead of having to

1179
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: pay for that whole part of the process, it's already

1180
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: done for you if you want to donate the rest

1181
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: of the eggs, but the thing or the rest of

1182
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: the embryos. But the problem is is that like if

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01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: you let's say they have five more leftover or two

1184
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: more leftover, whatever, it's like they're they're full siblings, and

1185
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: it's just weird to think the whole the whole thing

1186
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: of it is crazy. But I am I am for

1187
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: this whatever, just because of you know, people need help

1188
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: having a baby if they want to have a baby,

1189
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: and that's totally fine, but the whole like she wants

1190
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: to carry she she briefly considered carrying.

1191
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:07,919
Speaker 2: Now it's just like at the end of the day,

1192
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 2: she wanted a TikTok viral video and well it weren't

1193
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 2: what her parents plan to do. If they want to

1194
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 2: plan to adopt the embryos out in some capacity, I

1195
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 2: think that's a really awesome, admirable thing. But her saying

1196
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 2: what she said, if she's not actually planning on going

1197
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 2: through it, was simply so dummies like us end up

1198
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: talking about it on our podcast.

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Speaker 1: No, I think I think that there's people that one

1200
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: hundred percent would do this. I don't think that it's

1201
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: like I don't think it's a lie necessarily, because I've

1202
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: heard some personally have heard some really weird shit with that. So,

1203
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: but one interesting part of the article that I had

1204
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: never considered, I guess, is that IVF became popular, like

1205
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: has been increasingly popular, and I just never thought about,

1206
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: like how you would feel if you were conceived to

1207
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: be an IVF, Like I like, if mom and pop

1208
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: up came up to me right now and said, oh

1209
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: you were you were an IVF baby, and we didn't

1210
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: actually like I don't even want to think about this,

1211
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: but you know, do what you have to do to

1212
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: have well your parents have to do to have a baby.

1213
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: I would just be like, Okay, I don't know who cares,

1214
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: Like I don't know that.

1215
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 2: I feel like it's so common today that who cares

1216
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 2: but her. She wrote in this essay that her parents

1217
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: felt really insecure about telling her about it, and her dad,

1218
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: I guess let it slip one day and then they

1219
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 2: had to tell her everything, and then you know, her

1220
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 2: and her sister end up thinking it's really cool, and

1221
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: I think it's just so common, Like like I, if

1222
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 2: you told me that was the case with me, I

1223
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 2: wouldn't be like, oh my god.

1224
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: I had one thing that is cool though, that I

1225
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: hadn't even really considered either, is that she was saying,

1226
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:57,919
Speaker 1: like her, so when you have IBF, they let's say

1227
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: you have five embryos there, they're going to pick one first, right,

1228
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: and then you end up being the first born, when really,

1229
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: if they picked another one, like your sister would have

1230
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: been the older sister. It's just like it's it's like

1231
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: a really weird that's kind of a weird thing because

1232
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: I did. I also read a study this week about

1233
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: children and birth order and like how certain personalities have

1234
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: to do with birth order, and that was it was

1235
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: just something I never really considered. But as kids get older,

1236
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: like this girl's twenty six years old now, and more

1237
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: and more people have this, this will be a discussion

1238
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: that more people will be having. It's kind of interesting.

1239
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 2: Well, this next one is really interesting too, about this

1240
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 2: girl that was in an ultrasound class and ended up

1241
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 2: discovering her own cancer.

1242
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she was a first year medical student and

1243
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: just playing around with the ultrasound learning how to do

1244
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: ultrasounds and doing the thyroid because it's a pretty easy

1245
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: accessible gland to look at, and they saw a nodule.

1246
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: The teacher was like, Okay, it's it's really common for

1247
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: people to have nodules, which it is, but just why

1248
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: don't you go to the doctor and just get it

1249
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: checked out just in case, because that's what you're supposed

1250
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: to do. And she went, she had blood work done,

1251
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: the blood work was normal, and then she had some

1252
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: kind of problem with her health insurance and didn't go

1253
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: back for almost a year, and then when she went back,

1254
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: it ended up being stage one papillary thyroid cancer.

1255
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 3: So what is that.

1256
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: Well, if you if you were able to go to

1257
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: a hospital and pick a cancer to get, it's one

1258
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: of the better ones to get. There's if it's confined

1259
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: to the thyroid, there's like one hundred percent chance of

1260
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: survival at five years, and even if it spreads to

1261
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: the lymph nodes in the neck, it's still like a

1262
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: super high percentage of survival rate. But it's just it's

1263
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: it's cancer that it's actually kind of crazy because you

1264
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: can get papillary thyroid cancer from exposure to radiation. So like,

1265
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: for example, another high profile death disseection we wrote about

1266
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: in the gross Room about chernobyl, which was that was

1267
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: like super interesting to research, but those people had just

1268
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: like a super high increase of thyroid cancer that were

1269
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: exposed to radiation. But the weird thing is is that

1270
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: to treat to treat thyroid cancer, you will actually give radiation.

1271
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: It's it's just kind of like an interesting Oh that's weird. Yeah,

1272
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: it's interesting. So so yeah, that's it. Well they give

1273
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: something called radioactive iodine. But it's that's just like one

1274
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: of the things that I remember from school. It's it's

1275
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes things in medicine are just weird like that.

1276
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, she'll she'll be fine that something similar like

1277
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: that happen. Not the same. But when I was working

1278
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: in cytology, I used to go on thyroid ultrasounds all

1279
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: the time, and one of the radiologists there was just like, Nicole,

1280
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: your neck looks really big. Let me let me ultra sound.

1281
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: You're thyroid, and I was like, okay, and she looked

1282
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: at it and she's like, yeah, you look like you

1283
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: have Hashimoto thyroid iitis. It's it's just like an autoimmune

1284
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: thyroid condition. This was back like when I was twenty,

1285
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: and I just I just thought that that was like

1286
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: really cool that she like looked at my neck and

1287
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: thought it looked big and was able to identify that. Yeah.

1288
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, like this this woman will be okay, and

1289
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: it's kind of a cool story to tell on her

1290
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: journey as a medical student.

1291
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 2: Okay, we got to get into the other death stories

1292
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:26,719
Speaker 2: because this, like first one, is one of my favorite

1293
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 2: stories of the week.

1294
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: Okay, So my one of my neighbors next door to

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Speaker 1: me sent me this, this story that she had seen

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Speaker 1: in her feed on Facebook, and I was automatically like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, we have to talk about this. But

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Speaker 1: when we looked it up, actually it ended up being

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01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: an old story. I don't know how it showed up

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01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: in her feed, but like, honestly I never heard it,

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01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: and I thought, okay, we have to share this with

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01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: you guys. It was from when twenty eighteen or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is an honest oh bitch that went viral,

1304
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 2: and I'm going to read it for you.

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01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 3: You ready, It's so Kathleen.

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01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 2: Kathleen Demlow was born on March nineteenth, nineteen thirty eight,

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01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 2: to Joseph and Gertrude Skunk of Wabaso. She married Dennis

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01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 2: at Saint Anne's and Mobaso in nineteen fifty seven and

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01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:22,679
Speaker 2: had two children, Gina and Jay. Normal so far, see

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01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 2: where it gets juicy. In nineteen sixty two, she became

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01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 2: pregnant by her husband's brother, Lyle, and moved to California.

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01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 2: She abandoned her children, Gina and Jay, who were then

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01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 2: raised by her parents and clemens Mister and Missus Joseph Schunk.

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Speaker 2: She passed away on May thirty first, twenty eighteen, in

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Speaker 2: Springfield and will now face judgment. She will not be

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01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 2: missed by Gina and Jay, and they understand that this

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01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 2: world is a better place without her.

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Speaker 1: That's so great, It's so.

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Speaker 2: The obituary was actually denied by a couple of publications

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01:09:55,720 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 2: at first and removed online from Legacy dot. Clown their

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01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 2: publication and her, the woman that passed Away's sister was

1322
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 2: really disgusted by it. But the kids are like, we

1323
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 2: don't give a shit, we got the last word in

1324
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 2: and we feel great about it.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I thought, I think it's I think

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01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: it's awesome. And I you know, there there's always this

1327
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: thing that when people die that you that you should

1328
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: be nice or you should be nice and stuff, and

1329
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: it's like, no, if they were a horrible person and

1330
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 1: fuck them, like I don't care.

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01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, people dying doesn't make the angel sudden exactly exactly

1332
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 2: if they were a bad person, they don't have to

1333
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 2: be a good person all of a sudden because they're dead.

1334
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 1: So so I thought this cheers city and cheers cities kids,

1335
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: and you want to give you a hair or you.

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01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 2: Better watch it because I'm going to be ready.

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01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: Okay this here's another story that's that's local to us,

1338
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 1: that there was a child wrongfully cremated. So this girl

1339
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: when she was she was just born at twenty seven

1340
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: weeks and had cerebral palsy and then as a teenager,

1341
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: her mother went to go wake her up one day.

1342
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 1: Her brother went to the wake hero up one day

1343
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: and she was called to touch so they she ended

1344
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: up being deceased, and because she was a young person

1345
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: that Emmy and investigators had to get involved to make

1346
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 1: sure to rule out no foul play. So basically, she

1347
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:20,759
Speaker 1: was brought to the Philadelphia Medical Examiner's office, and for

1348
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: forty one days the parents weren't getting any communication. They

1349
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 1: were trying to retrieve the body for burial, and it

1350
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 1: turns out that against their wishes, she had been cremated.

1351
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: All right, So I'm trying to figure out what happened

1352
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: here because I know a little bit about their procedures.

1353
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 1: When when the mom found and the brother found the

1354
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 1: daughter dead, they called nine one one. I'm assuming they

1355
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: called nine one one or they called because who else

1356
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: would they call. They wouldn't call the medical examiner and

1357
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: have to call nine. So they called nine one one.

1358
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: The police come, the ambulance came. They pronounced this kid

1359
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: dead and they said, okay, we're going to do an

1360
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: autopsy because she's sixteen and this and that, and they

1361
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: bring the body to the medical examiner. Now, when when

1362
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: the body goes to the medical Examiner's office, that body,

1363
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,719
Speaker 1: especially because it was being picked up in the child's home,

1364
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 1: has a name on it, a day of birth and

1365
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: all that stuff. They bring the body to the medical

1366
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:30,879
Speaker 1: Examiner's office and the medical examiner especially because this child

1367
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: has a history of health problems. The next step should

1368
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: have been that they called the child's physician and said, hey,

1369
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: we have this girl.

1370
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Speaker 3: She died.

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01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 1: Do you think we need to do an autopsy? Is

1372
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 1: there a reason that she could have died? The mom

1373
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: gave them the pediatrician's phone number along with the neurologist's

1374
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 1: phone number that was taking care of the child, so

1375
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 1: they were supposed to call them to say, like, cause, like,

1376
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: you don't really want to do an autopsy if you

1377
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,799
Speaker 1: don't have to, And there was no suspicious reasons surrounding

1378
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 1: the death, and for some reason the paperwork got screwed up.

1379
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: Because that's what happened in this case, that they thought

1380
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: that the child was listed as a Jane Doe and

1381
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: nobody knew who the kid was, and that's why they

1382
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 1: ended up cremating the kid because they thought that there

1383
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 1: was nobody claiming this kid. I mean, I just I

1384
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: just look at it as like, I feel terrible for

1385
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: the mom and I'm glad that she's looking into it

1386
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: because it's sloppy in my opinion.

1387
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's a huge mess. You can't just

1388
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 2: do that.

1389
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And to me, it's just like, I just don't

1390
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: even understand how they would accidentally list her as a

1391
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 1: Jane Doe when when the mom was there the entire time,

1392
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: and the mom said she called multiple times, and the

1393
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 1: kid's dad was calling multiple times to be like, hey,

1394
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 1: what did the autopsy show? Can we release the body? Like,

1395
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: and they were saying she's listed as a Jane Doe

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01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 1: and the mom's like, I gave them. They know I'm

1397
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 1: her mom. I gave. I mean, the mom seems like

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01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 1: she was taking care of the kid, bringing her to

1399
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 1: appointments and everything, and like, how could something like this happen,

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01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 1: especially like she didn't give consent for the kid to

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01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 1: get cremated, And even if she sues them and she

1402
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: wins and everything, you can't ever get that back. And

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01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: a lot of times people have especially really strong like

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01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: religious beliefs as to how they want things to be

1405
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 1: carried on after death, and you have to respect that.

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01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the family's not going to get the proper

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01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 2: closure that they want. It.

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01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 3: It's all around a horrible thing.

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01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just you know, instead of I mean,

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01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: think about this, like you have a baby premature. The

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01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: babies had problems their whole life, they cerebral PALSI their

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01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 1: entire life, and then and dies kind of unexpectedly suddenly

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01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: at sixteen years old. How horrible that must be mourning

1414
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: from that, and then to just have to deal with

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01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: some bullshit of like you you calling them and them

1416
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: kind of telling you like, oh, we ever listed as

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01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: a Jane Doe. Well, well that's your fault, that's not

1418
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 1: my fault, So don't make me feel like shit about that.

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01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's one hundred percent not acceptable at all. Yeah.

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01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 1: No, Okay, last case again, I feel like we just

1421
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 1: talked about this last week, right, Yeah, we were talking

1422
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 1: about so last week we were talking about a mom

1423
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: who had a stillbirth and not that we agree with this,

1424
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: but for whatever reason decided with the remains of the

1425
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 1: still birth she was going to put it on a

1426
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: barbecue grill and incinerate it. She's getting charged with abuse

1427
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 1: of a corpse, even though it seems like all investigations

1428
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 1: show that she had she had a miscarriage. This next case,

1429
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 1: same exact thing is happening again. This time it's in Ohio.

1430
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 1: Thirty three year old woman started having a miscarriage and

1431
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 1: had a still born at home around twenty two weeks

1432
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 1: in the toilet, and I guess she, like whatever, freaked

1433
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: out and started trying to flush the toilet, and of

1434
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 1: course the fetus at twenty two weeks is big and

1435
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 1: it got stuck in the toilet. And now she's getting

1436
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: charged with like abusive a corpse and stuff, and I'm

1437
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 1: just like, I just don't I don't think it's right.

1438
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: I think I think it's messed up. So what so

1439
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,560
Speaker 1: if she went to the hospital and they threw it

1440
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: in a biohazard bag, that wouldn't be abusive a corpse.

1441
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's so ridiculous to me.

1442
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 2: This forensic pathologist is really fighting for her and saying

1443
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 2: that the baby was non viable exactly no matter what,

1444
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 2: the baby had died before it even expelled from her body.

1445
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 2: So like, why is she getting charged. It's fel any

1446
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 2: corpse abuse, I know. And it's like and now it's

1447
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 2: going to a grand jury, which you don't know what

1448
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 2: whacka do is are gonna be on that jury. So

1449
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,919
Speaker 2: this is such a divisive topic with people.

1450
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 1: I know, But it's just it's just like think, like

1451
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: you look at this lady in the picture and it's

1452
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 1: just like like I'm sure she's not going through some

1453
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: trauma because she just had a miscarriage at twenty two

1454
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 1: weeks of pregnancy. She was going to the doctor. She

1455
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 1: had appointments before this, right, she didn't do this on purpose.

1456
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: She had this this miscarriage, and like maybe she was

1457
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 1: grieving so much that she didn't want to go to

1458
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 1: the hospital. Maybe she doesn't have insurance or something, and

1459
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,679
Speaker 1: she thought, like, I'm not going to the hospital because

1460
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to get a twenty thousand dollars bill if

1461
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: I go to the hospital and this kid's out and

1462
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 1: I'm not pregnant anymore, whatever the kid.

1463
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 2: You just feel like there's like this level of shock

1464
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:32,719
Speaker 2: when this happens to people. Yeah, like maybe she flushed

1465
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 2: a toilet by accident, like you don't know.

1466
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and and honestly, like maybe she didn't

1467
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:40,839
Speaker 1: expect it was going to be that big and didn't

1468
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 1: like what else do you do with it? I don't know,

1469
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: But I just think that abuse of a corpse is like,

1470
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,799
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, the damage is done. This is already

1471
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,879
Speaker 1: on her record forever that she was at least accused

1472
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 1: of abusing a corpse. I mean, it's just it's really

1473
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 1: messed up. It's messed up.

1474
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 3: No, it's horrible and it's not real.

1475
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I feel like this, like these types

1476
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 2: of stories I keep seeing more frequently, and it just

1477
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 2: really is upsetting to be a woman in this country

1478
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 2: right now.

1479
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 3: If this is what it's gonna be, like Jesus.

1480
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 1: Well, I you know, it's a big thing. Is I

1481
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 1: personally would say if any person was ever having a

1482
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: miscarriage at home, whether you're five weeks or twenty weeks whatever,

1483
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 1: I personally think that you should go to the hospital

1484
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: just because I know that there's times that it all

1485
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 1: doesn't come out, and that's what we do in pathology.

1486
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,799
Speaker 1: Actually we look at what's called the products of conception

1487
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: to make sure all the placental tissue came out and

1488
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: to make sure that there was like all the fetal

1489
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: parts came out and that there wasn't some other thing

1490
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: going on, because sometimes you can get a molar pregnancy,

1491
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 1: which can sometimes be like a cancerost thing. So you

1492
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 1: just it's always safer to just get it checked out.

1493
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: But like again I'm saying, if you're in a situation

1494
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: where you don't where you don't want to take on

1495
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 1: that bill because you don't have the problem. I mean,

1496
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 1: they'll treat you if you go to the hospital, but

1497
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 1: they'll send you a bill too, So I almost don't

1498
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 1: blame a person that they might just be like, you

1499
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: know what, it hurt really bad, it came out. I'm

1500
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: not bleeding anymore. I'm good. I saw the baby. It's like,

1501
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: I'm not pregnant anymore. Whatever, right, Like, you could see

1502
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: how a person would think that way, and I don't

1503
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: think they should have criminal charges against them.

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01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,480
Speaker 3: It's absolutely ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Okay, onto our Questions of the Day. Every Friday on

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Speaker 2: the at Mother Knows Death Instagram, we post a little

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Speaker 2: story with a question box. You guys could ask us

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Speaker 2: whatever questions you want, then we'll try to answer as

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Speaker 2: many as we can. This episode's running a little long,

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Speaker 2: so we only we had a narrow it down to

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Speaker 2: two for today. But first is if I joined the

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Speaker 2: gross Room today, A is.

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Speaker 3: It until the end of the year or for one year?

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Speaker 3: And can I see all the older posts?

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Speaker 1: So you can join the grosser Room as a monthly

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Speaker 1: member or you could join as a yearly member. Some

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Speaker 1: people like to join as a monthly member just to

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Speaker 1: check it out, but like most people end up upgrading

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01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: anyway because it's so much fun in they're and awesome

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Speaker 1: and learning so much. But you could also do a yearly.

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Speaker 1: So tomorrow, actually we're starting we have specials once in

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Speaker 1: a while, a couple times a year, and we're going

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Speaker 1: to do it for a couple what is it like

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Speaker 1: five days or yeah, So from December fifteenth, which is

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Speaker 1: tomorrow until December the twentieth, we are going to have

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Speaker 1: a sale that's twenty dollars for one year membership. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's so that's obviously like worth it because I think

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Speaker 1: the monthly membership is like five ninety nine.

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Speaker 2: So and it's not till the end of this year.

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Speaker 2: It's like one year from the day you.

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Speaker 1: Signed, and it's a leap year, so you actually get

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Speaker 1: an extra day, right, three hundred and six bonus day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's our last sale of the year. There

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Speaker 2: won't be one for a while, so this is definitely.

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Speaker 1: The time, Yes, it is. And also so I started

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Speaker 1: the Grocerroom in November of twenty nineteen, and there are

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Speaker 1: over two thousand articles and posts in the gross room,

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Speaker 1: so we have thousands of photos, videos, articles, and if

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01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 1: you sign up for it. Yeah, you would. You would

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Speaker 1: be busy for weeks on end, just like catching up

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Speaker 1: with old stuff because there's just so much to look at.

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Speaker 1: And some of the articles are especially like the Celebrity

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01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 1: death dis sections and high Profile death disseections, they're really long,

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Speaker 1: they take a while to read, and also there is

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Speaker 1: an audio portion too, So we started recording what like

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Speaker 1: two years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's about fifty additional podcast episodes in there,

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Speaker 2: and then we've started recording the High profile and Celebrity

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Speaker 2: death disseections as an additional accessibility feature. So if people

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Speaker 2: can't read, or like they don't want to, if they're

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Speaker 2: driving and just want to listen to it really quick,

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01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 2: they definitely can and it makes it easy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think that. And also you know that

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Speaker 1: we narrate this celebrity death disseections and high profile dissections,

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01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:13,719
Speaker 1: so right now, I believe there's like over a hundred

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Speaker 1: of those, right there has to be different celebrities, like

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01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 1: covered every single celebrity death, and there's a section. You

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01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,679
Speaker 1: could just go right in the gross room and look

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01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: and at the whole entire list of celebrities and just

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Speaker 1: like get right into it. But we pretty much, especially

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Speaker 1: since the grocerroom has been going. Anytime there's like a

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Speaker 1: high profile death like Bob Zaggatt was a big one,

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Speaker 1: and Matthew Perry is coming when we get more information

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Speaker 1: from the autopsy. So you'll you'll love it. It's just

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01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 1: if you like this podcast, you'll love the grosser room,

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 2: And then the last question is having me so young,

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Speaker 2: did you take me to school with you? So?

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Speaker 1: Like school? Like school school. So I went to high school.

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Speaker 1: I got pregnant with you in ninth grade. I took

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Speaker 1: off from school when I was the rest of my pregnancy,

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Speaker 1: and then until she was a couple months old, and

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Speaker 1: then I went to tenth grade, and then I finished

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Speaker 1: tenth grade. Well, no, I didn't finish tenth grade. I

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01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 1: went to tenth grade for a couple months. Did I finish?

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Speaker 1: I might have finished.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was born in the middle of I was

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Speaker 2: born in December.

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Speaker 1: And I was so I was fifteen and then yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that's what happened. So in tenth grade, I went

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Speaker 1: the majority. I started in February of tenth grade, like

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Speaker 1: after the winter break and stuff. I went back and

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01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:51,799
Speaker 1: I went for a couple months, and then I decided

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Speaker 1: that I wanted to go to hair school actually to

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Speaker 1: like cosmicatology school. So I asked my parents if I

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Speaker 1: could drop out and go to if I could see

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Speaker 1: because if I had my GED, I could go to

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Speaker 1: cosmetology school when I was sixteen, And so I dropped

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Speaker 1: out of high school that year and then I started.

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Speaker 1: I took my GED the next day and then I started.

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Speaker 1: I started hair school that August, which was like right

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Speaker 1: when I turned sixteen years old. And so to answer

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Speaker 1: your question, no, I didn't bring her to high school

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Speaker 1: with me. We had a really awesome woman that like

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01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:32,679
Speaker 1: came from God. I swear she one day like obviously

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Speaker 1: because my mom was like still working and she was

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01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: a young grandmom and we had this. My mom was

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Speaker 1: at work like crying one day because she didn't know

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Speaker 1: what we were going to do with Maria when I

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Speaker 1: had to go back to school, and especially because like daycare,

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Speaker 1: daycare wasn't common back then when and we didn't know

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Speaker 1: about it. We never used it when, like my mom

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01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 1: never used it with us and stuff. And my mom

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01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 1: was at work one day and she was crying about it,

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01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 1: and one of her coworkers was like, my mom Watches kids,

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01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 1: and we went and met this woman Joan and Joe

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01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 1: and Maria went to Maria went to them until you

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01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:14,560
Speaker 1: were probably way too old to have a babysitter.

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Speaker 3: We loved them.

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Speaker 1: They were like adoptive grandparents. Just love them truly the

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01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: best people and like just like really like part of

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Speaker 1: my journey because they were able. They loved Maria so

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Speaker 1: much and like took her to parks every day and

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01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 1: the movies and home cooked her food for lunch and everything.

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Speaker 1: And they barely charged me any money, and they just

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Speaker 1: they made They were the reason that I was able

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Speaker 1: to like go back to college and graduate college twice

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01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 1: and and just have my crazy schedule and work full

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01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 1: time and go to school full time because I was

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01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 1: constantly like leaning on them a lot, and they just

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01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: they were they were awesome, just awesome people. So I

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Speaker 1: didn't have to bring her to school with me. But

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Speaker 1: then once I went to college, and uh, because when

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Speaker 1: I went to college the one year to Jefferson, when

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Speaker 1: I moved, I moved to Philly for that year to

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Speaker 1: make it easier on myself, which made it completely harder

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Speaker 1: on myself because I was like a single mom in

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Speaker 1: the city. But yeah, when I went. When I was

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Speaker 1: going to Jefferson, I brought her to school with me

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Speaker 1: a lot because at that time.

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Speaker 3: What were you seven?

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Speaker 1: Eight?

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Speaker 2: I was in second grade when we lived, so you

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Speaker 2: were like seven or eightish, And.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember going.

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Speaker 2: You started off going to Camden County. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 2: remember vividly going there a couple of times with you,

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Speaker 2: and then I did go to Jefferson with you.

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Speaker 3: I never when you were in grad school. I never went.

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Speaker 3: Well I was.

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Speaker 1: Old, I was like fourteen then. Yeah, but yeah, Jefferson,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it just was a different situation because I

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01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 1: was in school for psychology and there was there was

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Speaker 1: I think my program started with four people and then

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01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: like the one guy got a residency and dropped out.

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01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 1: The other guy I think also got a residency, dropped

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01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 1: out because they were they were doctors from another country

1648
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 1: and they were just kind of like, well, I guess

1649
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 1: I'll be a side attack and then unless some pathology

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01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 1: residency gives me a call and says, hey, I could

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01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 1: go be a doctor here. So they left and then

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01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 1: it was only me and Shana. So it was me

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01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 1: and Shana, and we had we had a we had

1654
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 1: a teacher and she was just like cool with me

1655
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 1: sticking Marie. I would give Marie in the back and

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01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 1: give her all her books in her homework and be like, yo,

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01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 1: like sit back here for an hour or two and

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01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 1: color and do your homework and like be quiet. And

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01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:33,560
Speaker 1: I got to finish class.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I I kind of have a bachelor I know, right,

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01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 2: you should have.

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01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 1: Got like an honorary bachelor's degree.

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Speaker 2: But all right, well, thank you guys so much. Always

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01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 2: always fun questions to answer. Don't forget to leave your

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01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 2: questions every Friday on the at Mother Knows Death Instagram account.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks guys, We'll see you next week. Thank

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01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 1: you for listening to Mother and Death. As a reminder,

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01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 1: my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I have a

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01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 1: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

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01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 1: I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed

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01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:17,600
Speaker 1: or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of

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01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:22,879
Speaker 1: a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social

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01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 1: media accounts are designed to educate and inform people based

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01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 1: on my experience working in pathology, so they can make

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01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 1: healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember

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01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 1: that science is changing. Every day, and the opinions expressed

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01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 1: in this episode are based on my knowledge of those

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01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 1: subjects at the time of publication. If you are having

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01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 1: a medical problem, have a medical question, or having a

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01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:53,280
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01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:58,320
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Speaker 3: Thanks