1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to Stuff from the Science Lab from how 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com. Hey, guys, welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: This is Alison I don't know, the science editor at 4 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com. And this is Robert Lamb, 5 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: science rider at how stuff works dot com. And today's 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: podcast we're talking about maggots. All right, Maybe you listen 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: to our last podcast. We're kind of on a role 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: with perhaps animals that people consider not so attractive. Yeah, 9 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: would be grossed out by. Yeah, we were going to 10 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: do one podcast about both maggots and leeches, but each bloodsucker. Um, 11 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: and they're not both blood suckers, but be each creature 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: turned out to be interesting enough in its own right 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: to deserve its own podcast, right, And and maggots, I 14 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: have to say I've I've softened a little bit towards 15 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: towards maggots just because they are so vital. You know 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,639 Speaker 1: what it was. It was the podcast we did on composting, 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite ones that we've done 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: so far, And it's just a realization that they're necessary. 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: And Okay, so I can prove to you that my 20 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: attitude has changed towards maggots because in fact, we had 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: a trash incident. Oh yeah, you had some maggots at 22 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: the house. We keep our trash outside. There was a 23 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: period where unfortunately the trash did not get to go out, 24 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: and you know, some stuff was was born in that 25 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: in that short time span, and I unfortunately opened the 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: lid to the trash can, and of course I saw 27 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: all the all the maggots. It was a little bit traumatic, 28 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: but it wasn't as traumatic had it been, you know, 29 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: before the composting podcast. I think I don't know if 30 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: I was ever really grossed out, but like you know, 31 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: as a kid, you know, I kind of lived in 32 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: the country and we would keen into maggots. No, but 33 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: there would be like dead animals and you'd see some 34 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: something crawling around in it, and you know, it was 35 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: just it was yeah, and I know and and I mean, 36 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: I guess having watched a fair amount of horror, like 37 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: occasionally maggots will show up. But the most amusing thing 38 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: is like sometimes like really cheap productions, they couldn't actually 39 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: get maggots, I guess, which seems like I don't know, 40 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: it seems like, yeah, I just think ahead and put 41 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: some meat out, you know, and then pick them out 42 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: with tweezers, right, but I don't know. It's like they 43 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: will get some other type of worm to pretend to 44 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: be maggots. So like if you've ever seen maggots, you're like, 45 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: those aren't baggots, sort of like there's some sort of 46 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: earthworm or something, you know, and then they'll use like 47 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: a sound effect for the worm to make it sound 48 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: sound like they're yelling or something. I don't know any rate. Um, 49 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about maggot therapy, maggot therapy to 50 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: get on track, and you know, in a world where 51 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: public image counts a lot, maggot therapy is one therapy 52 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: that really suffered a fall, but it's starting to come 53 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: back in Triumph. Yeah, though it does still doesn't sound good, 54 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: Like I think they need out like a snazzier name 55 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: for it. Well there are. I think some people call 56 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: it um larval therapy. That sounds a lot better. Um, 57 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: there's a more technical name. I think maggot debridemant therapy, 58 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: debriding just meaning the removal of dead tissue. I still 59 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: don't think that's a you good seller. Yeah, right right, 60 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 1: you gotta get rid of the maggot in the title 61 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: if you want to do an elevator pitch and sell 62 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: your therapy to a million dollar venture capitalists. So anyway, 63 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: back in the nineties, when antibatics first came onto the 64 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: medicinal scene, maggots, you know, that's really when they fell 65 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: out of favor. I mean, who's gonna want, you know, 66 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: a little grub, a larval fly to be you know, 67 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: investigating your wounds when you can just popping anti batic. 68 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: And so they're back now and they're hungry. So okay, 69 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: what's a maggot again? You guys know this, but for 70 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: the sake of it, we'll just go over it real fast. It's, 71 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, a soft bodied, legless grub. It's a larva 72 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: of a dip terrorist insect. In other words, it's a 73 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: fly larva. It's an immature fly. Okay, here's something that 74 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: I came across. And there's all some sorts of good 75 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: stuff that we come across while we're researching this podcast, 76 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: and we give as much of that research as we 77 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: can to you guys. But the second definition of maggot 78 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: is a fantastic or eccentric idea. I've never heard of 79 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: that either, but I like the idea of you have 80 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: you using it more like, you know, like we'll come 81 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: up to um, you know, your editor in chief. Yeah, 82 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: we'll be like, hey, con I got aa roll maggot 83 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: here for you. But what do you say we do 84 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: an entire article about, you know, something about um. You know, 85 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: I think you would totally roll with it. So what 86 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: are you used? What are maggots used for in maggot therapy? Well, 87 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,679 Speaker 1: as it turns out, we have a pretty good article 88 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: on that's written by freelancer Tom Chef, and mainly it's 89 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: it's cleaning wounds. It's kind of like they like to 90 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: eat really gross flesh stuff, and so if you're in 91 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: a situation we're like, hey, what are we gonna do 92 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: with this gross fleshy stuff we need removed? Hey you 93 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: guys want to eat it? Hop on? You know. Well, 94 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: in particularly, they have a predilection for for dead tissue. Yeah, 95 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: they're really good at removing dead tissue and unless things 96 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: get out of hand, like they're pretty good about like 97 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: just eat the dead sticking to the dead tissue. Yeah yeah, 98 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: that's perfect. Yeah. Yeah, So what kind of wouldn't trust 99 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: like a like a buzzard with that? You know? Heck, now, 100 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: like hey, guys just pick it the the rotten stuff, 101 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: but leave the rest of the leg alone, and they'd 102 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah sure. So. Um. In particular, they 103 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: come in handy. Magot therapy comes in handy for traumatic 104 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: or post surgical wounds that just won't heal. Um. But 105 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: important note to doctors here considering this UM, I was 106 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: reading that wounds with tunnels are kind of hiding spots 107 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: for the maggots aren't necessarily good candidates for this particular 108 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: kind of therapy. Also important note to doctors if you're 109 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: listening to our podcast and using that to decide how 110 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: are you going to treat your patients, just really reconsider 111 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: how you're going about things. Also interesting was I found 112 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: that there's a very small steady uh participants were number 113 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: thirteen in all, and I found that people with mrs 114 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: A contaminated wounds were cured using nothing but maggots. Okay, 115 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: and m r s A. Of course, Um, that's the 116 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: type of infection that's resistant to certain antibiotics. So that 117 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: would be you know, a big deal, especially when this 118 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: is like when somebody gets like an antibiotic resistant staff 119 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: infection type of thing, going yes, yes, yeah, that is 120 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: exactly what m R. S A is. So, so it 121 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: would prove handy in that case, and a lot of 122 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: times that megat therapy is going to come in handy 123 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: when you have stuff like ulcers. And oddly enough, these 124 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: ulcers mainly are are located on your lower extremities. So 125 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: there's one called a venus stasis ulcer. Now this one 126 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: is that this is the one correct move if I'm wrong, 127 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: But it's kind of like if I'm standing in one 128 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: place for a while and I feel like I need 129 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: to shift to move around. It might be because I 130 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: had too much coffee, but it could be because, like 131 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: my body is telling the neuropathic foot ulcer and we 132 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: will get to that in a second. That's nerve damage. 133 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: Uh No, So the venus stasis ulcer is. You're gonna 134 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: find these below in the knee, especially in the niche, 135 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: that tiny little cute niche just above the ankle. And 136 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,239 Speaker 1: and they're common in patients who have medical charts filled 137 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: with stuff like leg smelling and vericous veins or you 138 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: know a history of blood clots in the in the 139 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: leg veins. You were jumping the gun. But yes, indeed, 140 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: the neuropathic foot ulcer is also a candidate for maggot therapy. 141 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: And for the love of God, I know you will, 142 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: but don't link these up in Google images. It is. Oh, 143 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: that's tough. When it's stuck with me, it's steared in 144 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: my brain. The neuropathic foot ulcer that if you, if 145 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: you have one of these, by all means, take a 146 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: picture of it and send it to it. Like somebody 147 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: didn't their feet with the hood feline hookworms. The person 148 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,679 Speaker 1: sent us a photo canine hookwar canine hookworms in human feet. 149 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: I can still picture that was a cool picture. Yeah, 150 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,679 Speaker 1: I can still see it too. It's burned into my mind. 151 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: So these neuropathic foot ulcers, like you can probably guess 152 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: these occurred to Jude to nerve damage and um. Like 153 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: Robert was getting at, having intec nerves is a pretty 154 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: handy thing. We like. We all like having intec nerves. 155 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: You know, it helps us tell you when to shift 156 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: position if you're standing on your feet, the nerves and 157 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: your your lower extremities. And if you lose that information, 158 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: then you're gonna lose awareness as to what's going on 159 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: down there, right, and you can have some crazy things 160 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: start happening to your feet. Maybe you get some cuts, 161 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: they appear and you don't notice, maybe get a blister 162 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: you don't notice, and it just gets you know, it 163 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: starts festering, and they progress and they progress, and then 164 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: you have serious infection on your hands, which leads us 165 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: to the next kind of ulcer that Maggot therapy is 166 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: is being used for. And these are called pressure ulcers 167 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: ak a bed soyces. Yeah, these are the ones you 168 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: get if you your laid up for a while. Yeah, 169 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: And pressure ulcers also affect another population that's not bedridden, 170 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: and that would be diabetics. So a little little known 171 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: to me, diabetics and ulcers are have a pretty significant history. 172 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: Well I I was familiar with, you know, like some 173 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: a lot of times diabetics and up having to go 174 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: in for amputation. Right. Well, so chronic conditions like diabetes 175 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: are different vascular diseases. They mess up your circulation, they 176 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: mess up your blood flow, and um, well, we'll get 177 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: to the maggot diabetic thing in a sec. But let's 178 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: talk about this pressure ulcer just so we can get 179 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: into the maggot therapy. What's happening. We're gonna walk you 180 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: through the steps involved in a pressure ulcer starts off. 181 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: It's a red spot on your skin. Press on it, 182 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't turn white, so maybe you know some 183 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: things up, but you probably don't notice it. This is 184 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: stage one of the pressure ulcer. Next up, you get 185 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: your open sore going on and the areas around the store. 186 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: They start to start to get a little angry, you know, 187 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: the ulcer starts to spread its madness. And next comes 188 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: the crater. And this is pretty much um. You know, 189 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: you can kind of see a crater in your skin 190 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: where the tissue has started to to break down and 191 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: go to heck basically, and this is when you need 192 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: to spend in the maggots. Well, eventually, pressure ulcers escalate 193 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: to the point that they become so deep that of 194 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: course they damage surrounding muscle and bone, and they can 195 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: even spread to tendons and joints. And yes, this is 196 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: this is when the magot therapy might be called in. 197 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: And before that, a lot of people only have the 198 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: option of amputation. You know, the infection got so bad 199 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: that you're faced with, well, we have to amputate that 200 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: that leg, the toe, the foot. Yeah, because what you 201 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: all you have are these big surgical devices and what 202 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: you need is a little bitty surgeon or a team 203 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: of little bitty surgeons right to go in maggots. Indeed, yeah, 204 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: and it's a pretty it is a pretty significant problem 205 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: for diabetics once you consider that there are twenty three 206 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: million in the United States according to the American Diabetes Association, 207 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: and you're looking about seventy thousand amputations uh diet for 208 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: diabetics occurring every year according to the Centers for Disease 209 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: Control and Prevention. A lot do you like your face? 210 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: Do you like having all your body parts right? As 211 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: we discussed in the Prosthetics podcast, I do like my 212 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: limbs and right right. So a lot of us, I 213 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: would imagine, would be interested in avoiding amputation. Apart from 214 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: that one special group of people. Do you remember that 215 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: the actively stick in ahead though, well, there there, there, 216 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: they have problems. Yes, yes, they do have problems. Um. 217 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: So anyway, we get these people who are faced with 218 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,599 Speaker 1: amputation or or what well, as it turns out, or 219 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: maggot therapy and really important note that I think we 220 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: should emphasize here it's not a is to replace existing therapies, 221 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: like You're not gonna maggots are never going to take 222 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: the place of surgery. They're never going to take the 223 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: place of antibiotics. Yeah, this isn't like some sort of 224 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: quack technique where it's like like we really wish that, 225 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: you know, Mary would go to an actual doctor, but 226 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: she's going to that maggot physician. No, it's it's it's 227 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: not a first line defense. And another thing is that 228 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: when we were researching this podcast, I happen to find 229 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: out that there's a substance called hydrogels and they're capable 230 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: of performing a lot of the functions that maggots can 231 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: do in maggot therapy. So and some of the research 232 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: seemed to indicate that hydrogels and maggot therapy had about 233 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: equally effective utility. And and you know, so hydrogels are 234 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: without the maggots, so people very well might opt for those. 235 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: But let's get into the process. Let's let's release the maggots, 236 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: shall we. Okay, So, yeah, so we've got this putrid 237 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: area that needs a clean up. We've got some some 238 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: some dead tissue that needs to be cleared away from 239 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: the live tissue. Yeah, so first that you gotta get 240 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: the maggots. But don't don't go gathering up the maggots yourself. Yeah, 241 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: you want some farm rates, right, don't slather them, you know, 242 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: willy nilly all over the wound. Although I did read 243 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: one one article that said patients could be taught to 244 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: administer this treatment themselves and then when they were done 245 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: with the magaziners, just toss them in the garbage and 246 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: be done with it. Yeah, they probably would would like that, right, Yeah. Um, 247 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: I imagine the danger is that you probably need to 248 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: have a strong stomach. And then of course you could 249 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: get the ratio wrong, because, like we said, there is 250 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: a particular ratio you're looking for, and in fact, the 251 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: general rules thumb is that you're gonna want about eight 252 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: maggots per square centimeter of flesh that you want them 253 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: to consume, otherwise they go a little crazy. Right, Well, 254 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: they're gonna get hungry, right, So you don't want to overpopulate. 255 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: Don't overpopulate. But let's let's get back to the process. 256 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: You gotta have the maggots. Yeah, yeah, So you're gonna 257 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: want to have the maggots, and you want to have again, 258 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: the right maggots because there are a lot of different 259 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: flies in the world and uh, and all of them 260 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: have larva, but you're generally the most favored of variety 261 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: is the green blow fot fly, which is, uh, do 262 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: you want to take a shot at the I was 263 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: gonna give it Phoenicia Sarah Cotta. Sounds actually kind of tasty, 264 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: sounds like an Italian dessert. Yeah. And these are growing 265 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: to get in a lab, in a lab and a 266 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: disease free environment, and they're shipped in a sterile containers, 267 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: probably overnight. Yeah. Alright, so the maggot show up, they're 268 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: ready for business. Well, you've got to have an open 269 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: wound of some sort, and preferably that wound is clean, 270 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: so open water and wash it out, et cetera. Okay, 271 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: so keep part of the process here, because a lot 272 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: of us are not at all cool with maggots just 273 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: you know, wandering around. Our open source is a sedative. 274 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: Often patients who choose to undergo maggot therapy will be 275 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: administered a sedative, a heavy one. Yeah. And when you 276 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: first mentioned this, I was thinking like, oh, these guys 277 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: are kind of WIMPs. They just don't want it, to 278 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: want to feel like they're you know, a little larva 279 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: calling on them. But then the whole thing is that 280 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,359 Speaker 1: they're they're crawling on air and very sensitive areas like inflamed, 281 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: you know, gross areas that you know, So it's like 282 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: pressure on a wound. So of course you don't want 283 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: to feel that, right, They're getting fat off of, you know, 284 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: eating your necrotic tissue, and it's putting pressure on the wound. 285 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: And in fact, patients have reported that maggot therapy can 286 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: be more painful than other kinds of therapy. Interesting, Yeah, 287 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: so I mean you really want to not be aware 288 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: of it, I would think. So the fact that it's hurting, 289 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: you know, and you're you know that there are maggots 290 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: in there, that would that would sort of add But again, 291 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: if you were using vultures, the sedation would have to 292 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: be a lot heavier, right, So so no vultures. Okay, 293 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: So you're gonna add these live maggots to the wound, 294 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: and like with leeches, um, you're gonna gotta you gotta 295 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: steal them off. Yeah, you gotta, you gotta. You don't 296 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: want the running all over the place. You gotta direct 297 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: them to the task. And so you're gonna steal it 298 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: off and then you're going to cover the wound with 299 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: a bandage. To keep it in place. And you can 300 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: also um as opposed, if you're a posed to having 301 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: them kind of crawling freely, you can put them in 302 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: a bio bag or this sealed nylon bag. And of 303 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: course um necessity is the mother of all inventions. So 304 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: there's a company now, Monarch Labs, that's come out with 305 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: a special maggot dressing. It has a nice name too. Yeah, 306 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: I think I think there was some of that in 307 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: the fridge here at work until the name threw it away. Yeah, 308 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: the Paul Newman variety too, so I'm sure it was healthy. 309 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: But you know O right. So this was not salad dressing, 310 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: but rather wound dressing, and it's called love Flap Flap Flap. 311 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: It's a nice French name. Brings an element of class 312 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: to magot therapy which needs a little bit of that. So, 313 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: according to the company, the first pre manufactured cage dressing 314 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: available for the US market. That's what it is. The 315 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: single piece of flap Maggot confinement dressing is intended to 316 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: prevent medicinal maggots from leading the wound before the treatment 317 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: of scheduled to enter and of course reduce the time 318 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: and cost necessary to confine them to the wound. So 319 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: you can look that up over Monarch Labs if you yea, 320 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: are you saying a picture of this, right? I did. Yeah. 321 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: It kind of looks like a sticker with a part 322 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: that peels off, and in the part that peels off, 323 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: you'd see the wound. Yeah. It's kind of like if 324 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: you're painting a design on something, you need like a stencil, right, yeah, yeah, 325 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: it's kind of like a maggot stencil. So yeah, so 326 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: in a few days time, you change from place the 327 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: bandage in the maggots, uh, and then you flush them 328 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: out with probably like a saline solution or something. But wait, wait, 329 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: do you miss the most important part? You miss what's 330 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: happening in the mouth. Yes, what they're doing, well, they're yeah, 331 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: they're eating up that decaying flesh, and they're clearing the 332 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: place of bacteria. At least they're capable of clearing the 333 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: place of a lot of different species of bacteria again, 334 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: because they get these tiny little mouths, you know, going 335 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: after the little bits there. And in the whole time 336 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: they're using fluids too, right, they're turning to some enzymes 337 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: for help with breaking down the dead tissue further and 338 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: their stimulating cell growth there. This is pretty cool. They're 339 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: also excreting an antibacterial agent. Yeah, I imagine we excrete 340 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: an antibacterial agent. Just imagine possibilities. But but yeah, this 341 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: is this kind of boils down to what I've read before, 342 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: like people talking about how maggots are are really like 343 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: they're they're kind of clean. They're pretty clean organisms. You know, 344 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 1: they they're in the pig. Yeah, yeah, they may be 345 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: in gross situations, but you know, there's there's nothing wrong. 346 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: This is also why the maggot I believe. I read 347 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: something a while back talking about if we were ever 348 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: to send astronauts to Mars, you know, a long space flight, 349 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: but if you could get get them to eat maggots, 350 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 1: astronauts astronauts the eat maggots, and that would be awesome 351 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: because maggots, I mean, they're they're they're larva, and they're 352 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: all they do is fatten up and get ready for 353 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: the next stage of their life. So they have a 354 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: lot of like protein in them, and they're like very nutritious. 355 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: That's why like chickens, chickens will eat the heck out 356 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: of maggots, you know, their whole like their whole like 357 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: farming operations that depend on like like making sure that 358 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: like the chickens eat the maggots. Or I think there's 359 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: some like tapia farming um processes out there where like 360 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: the Seriously, it's like I remember hearing about this words 361 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: like the telapia, You harvest the telapia made, then you 362 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: let flies land on the leftovers, maggots grow and you 363 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: get the maggots, and you fee the maggots the telapia, 364 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: et cetera. So that's nice, it's very efficient. So yeah, 365 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: maggots basically they just need a little bit of a 366 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: new campaign, a new new pr campaign to revise their image, 367 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: don't you think. Yeah, because like the treatments are really 368 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: pretty cheap, right, it's like a hundred bucks. Yeah, it 369 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: can be a hundred bucks, and so that's a lot 370 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: less than surgery and probably your insurance company would be 371 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: more psyched to, you know, to shout a hundred bucks 372 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 1: than the cost involved in surgery. Yeah, put that in 373 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: the ad campaign. I can like see like the the 374 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: the TV ad with like you know, people walking through 375 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: a field and they start having a heart to heart 376 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: about the maggots. So the treatment can last as long 377 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: as ten days, and it's important to note that patients 378 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: may also be taking antibotics while the magot therapy is going. 379 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: So let's talk about it. You guys may think we're 380 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: a little crazy. You might not have heard this before. 381 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: You're thinking, no, I don't buy it, Robert Allison, they're 382 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: sort of out there. Yeah, because we've talked. It's kind 383 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: of like the whole thing with the hookworm treatment. The 384 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: hookworm treatment was is still considered out there, but well 385 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: we only mentioned that in passing. Yeah, but it's gotten 386 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: a lot of but it's gotten a lot of coverage 387 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: elsewhere therapy. You just did a blog post on it. Yeah. Yeah. 388 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: So so there are some pretty major supporters or at 389 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: least people who don't object to mega therapy, one of 390 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: them being the US Food and Drug Administration. Yeah, they 391 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: came around to it in two thousand and four, the 392 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: same year that they were decided to be okay with 393 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: the leeches. It was a whole banner year. The Legion 394 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: Maggot Council really made some some some progress that here, 395 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: and more recently, November two thousand nine, you had the 396 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services in the US revising 397 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: their billing Code guidelines UH in an effort to help 398 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: patients get reimbursed for megat therapy. Health Canada, the Canadian 399 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 1: Public Health Agency has gone so far is to classify 400 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: medical maggots as drugs. So, of course downsides of therapy, 401 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: there's side effects, there are you know, other things that 402 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: you need to consider when you're considering your overall health. 403 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: So maga therapy limited research out there. So I was 404 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: reading an article in the Journal of the Canadian Medical 405 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: Association c m A J I believe, and the articles 406 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: mentioned mentioning that there are only two randomized clinical trials 407 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: on maga therapy that have ever been published. So that's 408 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: kind of kind of a small amount of information out there, 409 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: and a lot of these studies, um that I was encountering, 410 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: you know, pretty small little studies done here and there. 411 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: There's also, of course the you factor of magot therapy. Yeah. Yeah, 412 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: like we touched on it's like it's hard to get 413 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: past the fact that it does involve letting little tiny 414 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: larva's much on your flesh. And you also mentioned like 415 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: some people were also like concerned, like, oh, what if 416 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: the maggots escape their enclosure and someone sees one on 417 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: the or But what if you're going to your doctor's 418 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: office and he's going to give you your magatherapy, you know, 419 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: some escape You're you're in the waiting room, you're, you know, 420 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: scanning your copy of People. All of a sudden, you know, 421 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: maggot crawls across your foot. Maybe a maggot crawls across 422 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: Katie Holmes's I while you're looking at the cover of People. 423 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: I mean, but I think I don't think that would 424 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: be good. It would not be good, but it comes 425 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: it's i mean, cleanliness goes hand in hand with with 426 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: proper medicine. So it's kind of like you also wouldn't 427 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: want to go in to get your check up and 428 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, somebody lants to boil on 429 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: this table and it's still yucky there, No, because if 430 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,479 Speaker 1: they would clean it up, you know. So this is true. Now, granted, 431 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: a maggot unlike boil, plus we can actually conceivably crawl 432 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: out of a room or something, but still it's a 433 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, you know, but it's still they can do 434 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: things to keep it clean. And in fact, doctors do things, 435 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: do do things to to keep their offices clean. And 436 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: we thank them for that. Okay, So another downside, mag 437 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: they die easily. Oh yeah, yeah, theah they're they're not 438 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: particularly long lived, so you gotta have a good stock 439 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, and you can't just again, you can't 440 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 1: just go up on the roof and like throw down 441 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: a Hamburger patty and come back in a couple of hours. 442 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: You know. It's like you need to get them again 443 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: through through actual um medicinal maggot providers. So yeah, yeah. 444 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: And lastly, some bacteria, some species of bacteria may thwart 445 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: maggots and leave them dead um if you send them 446 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: into cleaner infected wound. And one of the species in 447 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: question is called Pseudomonas arruginosa. I believe also sounds kind 448 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: of taste all. They all sound like something I would 449 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: get an Italian restaurant. I'll have the Pseudomonis of organosa please. Yeah, 450 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: with the caesar salad. I think that one is more 451 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: of a red sauce, and the one we named earlier 452 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: was white. And then, of course maggots painful, can be 453 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: painful when you're having this treatment. So I feel like 454 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: we should end this podcast on the question of whether 455 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: you do it. Would you do it, Would you undergo 456 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: magat therapy? Yeah, I mean definitely. If it was a 457 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: situation where people are like, hey, we may have to 458 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: amputate and you know, but we want to try maggots first, 459 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: I would be like, by all means, let's try maggots. 460 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: You know. I would not necessarily be opposed to the 461 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: vultures if that were. Okay, vulture is no place maggot therapy. Legit. 462 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: Vultures just is just me talking about it. But no, 463 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: it's I would definitely give the maggot option ago if 464 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: it were something, you know, if it were recommended to 465 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: me by my doctor. Yeah, I think I would too. Yeah. 466 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: I would like to ask producer Matt. He's not allowed 467 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: to talk, it's not we can't see him either. I 468 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: wonder if producer Matt would do it, would you? Yeah, yeah, 469 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: that would do it. Yeah, yeah, Matt has answered in 470 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: the affirmative. So all three of us would do it 471 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: if if we were presented with the right situation, would 472 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: you though, so right in and tell us. We'd love 473 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: to hear from you. We we'd love to hear what 474 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: you think about maggot therapy or just maggots in general. 475 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, those impressions of maggots one of the 476 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: things for me, Like we've we talked about leeches in 477 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: another podcast we recorded day and we talked about maggots 478 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: and neither of these are really like gross me out 479 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: because they seemed very task based. There's there are definite 480 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: things they're out there achieving, like that that maggot he's 481 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: gonna eat until he turns into a fly, and more 482 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: power to him that leech, that leach wants to drink blood, 483 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: and you know, carry on. But I've always been really 484 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: sickened out by garden slugs because I'm like, what the 485 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: what is this for? What is it doing? Unless it's 486 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: like feeding off of just my utter revulsion at it's 487 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: like fat sliminess. I think that's an unfair characterization of 488 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: the garden slugs. Yeah, well, I challenge you or anybody 489 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: to tell me what good they're doing, all right, So 490 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: challenges out. Send us an email Science Stuff at how 491 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: stuff first dot com, maggots slugs. We'd love to hear 492 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: from you. And uh, we got a little listener Ley'd 493 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: like to share with you. Today we have we have 494 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: Brian and he ran in to talk to us about 495 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 1: um the podcast. He said, Hey, fourteen and just got 496 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: back from a one year trip to Japan. I really 497 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: like the podcast and it helped a lot in plane 498 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: right back. I bet it did. That's one long uh 499 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: one long podcast. That's one long plane ride. Yeah. I 500 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: wonder how many episodes of stuff from the Science lo 501 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: have you listened to? So, Ryan said, I listened to 502 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: your smelling podcast, and the Smell a Vision reminded me 503 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: of something I saw in the Japanese Museum. There was 504 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: a computer that allows you to play a bunch of videos, 505 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: mostly cooking related, and smells would come out of the 506 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: computer related to what you're watching. Have you guys heard 507 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: of this? I think, yeah, I think I have heard 508 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: of this. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I wonder what kind 509 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 1: of smells. Well, you're very limited in what you can watch, like, like, 510 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: you know, even there are some great things up there, 511 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily want to watch, say The Seven Samurai, 512 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: you know, within Smell a Vision or you know, or 513 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: pretty much any film that I like. I can't think 514 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: of one that would smell really good. I don't know. 515 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: Emily might smell good. Oh, Emily, that would definitely smell good. Yeah, 516 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: she's so cute, mean, not just her, but like, you know, 517 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: they're in a cafe. It's Paris. I don't know. Yeah, agreed. 518 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: There's French perfume, there's flowers buffing through the air. There's 519 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 1: the smell of a nice you know, French roast. Yeah, 520 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: that's a good smell. Speaking of perfume, I don't know 521 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: about the movie perfume. Like same for the actual perfume. 522 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: Probably smell really awesome, but not so much the Paris gutters, 523 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: you know. No. Hey, And on a more serious note, 524 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: we also heard from Joshua and Joshua is a PhD 525 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: candidate UM, and he read in to talk to us 526 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: about our recent Evolution and Action podcast, and he wanted 527 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: to talk to us about something that I said. Actually, 528 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: I was talking a little bit about antibiotics and um, 529 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 1: just my parental fear and Joshua and Allison mentioned that 530 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: as a parent, was troubling to give her child antibatics 531 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: because she feared that her child might evolve resistance to 532 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: the antabatic And actually that was in a statement, So 533 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: thank you josh for correcting me. I just wanted to 534 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: point out that her child wouldn't evolve resistance to the 535 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: antabatic because first, the target of the animotic is, of course, 536 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: the bacterial population living inside the child, not the child itself. Second, 537 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: and more important, evolution can't happen within a single individual, 538 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: the idea that individual can change its attributes over its 539 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: lifetime to suit a set up environmental circumstances with champ 540 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So a lot to say, interesting stuff 541 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: to say. Um and I really appreciate that correction because 542 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: it's an important distinction to make. I mean, it's not 543 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: my my daughter evolving resistance. It's you know, the bacteria 544 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: population in her, which you know decided it didn't like 545 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: particularly antibiotic, and it's scared the heck out of me 546 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: as a parent. But there are options out there, and 547 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: it's pritty. It's a it's important distinction to make. I think, 548 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: what do you think? Yeah, totally. Yeah, let us know 549 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: when we slip up and we'll read the corrections in 550 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: the air. Don't just talk about it's an alley or 551 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: it worn't and be like that Allison and Robert. You 552 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: should hear what they said the other day. You know, 553 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: it'll clear the air. 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