1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane. 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: Never told your production of I Heart Radio. So for 3 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: Disability Pride Month, we wanted to do a book about 4 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: someone with a disability, and we also want to do 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: something a bit lighter than we normally cover because the 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: news has been so heavy lately. So we're covering a 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: gin wild book, Queens of geek Um, which is the 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: super heartwarming coming of age young adult love story set 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: at a NERD convention. I couldn't really I don't know 10 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: exactly how to describe it NERD conventions when I came 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: up with this. It's essentially comic con. But like I 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: was gonna say't comic talked about fully today? Okay, and 13 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: I have seen it her at Dragon Con well, because 14 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: I've been to comic con. Um, this seems like a 15 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong, This seems like a comic con on steroids. 16 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: It seems like comic con selative meets south by Southwest. 17 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: That's what Comic Con was, dragon Con on steroids and 18 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 1: Dragon Con is. Okay, here's my opinion, and I'm gonna 19 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: already caveat this. You're gonna get a lot of personal 20 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: stories from me. Throughout this one because it was like 21 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: speaking to me and I have a lot of it. 22 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: This was Annie encompassed as a young adult novel. Um. Yeah, 23 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: So in my opinion, and I know not everyone will 24 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: necessarily agree, Dragon Coron is more about like fans and cosplay. 25 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: Comic Con is much more um commercial, so it's got 26 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: like bigger usually has bigger names, like bigger announcements. Companies 27 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: do big announcement like there's the a zombie maze in 28 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: this one. Um, there was something like that when I went. 29 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: But the weight is like four hour, like everything to 30 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: do is like four a five hour await. It's just 31 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: they do talk about that in the book. They do. 32 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: They do indeed, and they got their special passes so 33 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: they got to go up to the couple of things. Yes, yes, 34 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: and you get it right okay, oh yeah, I've got 35 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: to get it right. I gotta get it right. Yeah. 36 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: I mean, because it's closest to Comic Con. But maybe 37 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: it's just because my experience at Comic Con, I didn't 38 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: get to do most of this stuff. Maybe that's why 39 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: I was kind of like, so your experience would have 40 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: been if you had a love interest, you could have 41 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: been Taylor, because Taylor just pretty much waited the entire 42 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: time and then had an experience with the contest, which 43 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: would be your experience. I feel like maybe I'm wrong. 44 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: So and they just stood in line and or flirted 45 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: with their best friends. Oh yes, oh yes, yeah, I definitely. 46 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: As I said, there were so many things where I 47 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. But also 48 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: this is a very it's a nice read because it's like, 49 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: it's very very sweet, and that's very lovely, like things 50 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: turn out well. But there are, you know, obviously, certain 51 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: things where I was like, no, it does a word. 52 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: I was so traumatized that I did not expect this 53 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: to have a heavy ending. It was nice heavy ending. Everybody, 54 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: Um yeah, and it's it's very it's a very quick 55 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: and easy read. And it features characters with disabilities, people 56 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: who are queer, when of color, and diverse body types. 57 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: And originally the author, Jim Wilde, started posting fan fiction 58 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: on what Pad in twelve and you can still find 59 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: this story, I think, And here's a quote from the 60 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: author to all the what patterns out there, thank you, 61 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. When I posted my first story 62 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: to wa Pad in twelve, I had no idea it 63 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: would lead to this, but it's safe to say I 64 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't be here without you. Your excitement over the imaginary 65 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: worlds I write about gave me the courage to pursue 66 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: writing as a career. I wish I could hook each 67 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: and every one of you. And I sent this to 68 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: Samantha beforehand in the best way, pass full, because I've 69 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: read amazing fan fiction. When I was treating this, I 70 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: was like, I wonder if this is a fan fiction 71 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: obviously like that she would definitely know what that is. 72 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: And then her love for a famous character, fictional famous character, 73 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: and here I feel like she knows this love, this love. 74 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: So while this bisexual, autistic and has anxiety as well 75 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: as a nerd, and a lot of that informed her writing, 76 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: and especially the character of Taylor and so obvious, I'm 77 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: guessing as she's gotten more famous, she understands the character 78 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: of Charlie a little more, especially how she feels like 79 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: connected to the fans, which you don't always hear. So 80 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: that's interesting to me. So in a Q and A 81 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: about writing this book, Wild says, quote, I was angry 82 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: with the constant sexism, racism, able is um, homophobia, and 83 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: general bigotry I had witnessed both in my life and 84 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: online as an autistic, bisexual girl with anxiety. I was 85 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: angry that people like me were either represented in media 86 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: as burdens or the butt of a joke, and that 87 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: if we're represented at all, I was angry that society 88 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: wants to put me in a box or stereotyping and 89 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: my friends. And I'm still angry about all that. Just 90 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: like Taylor, I have trouble verbally expressing my emotions, so 91 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: I deal with it the best way I know how writing. 92 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's that very like she put that feeling 93 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: on the book for these characters, for sure, Yes, yes, indeed, 94 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: And I really really enjoyed it, and it reignited my 95 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: my desire to read fan Girl and the resulting fan 96 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,679 Speaker 1: fiction novels. She wrote about the fan fiction in fan Girl, 97 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: which we talked about in her fan Fiction episode. Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, 98 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: so that might be a summer read for me. But okay, 99 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: let's talk about the plot. This book follows a group 100 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: of three friends during one weekend at Supercon, which they 101 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: call their Holy Grail of Conventions, which she essentially Comic Con, 102 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: but more The friends in question are Taylor, Charlie, and Jamie, 103 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: who are about to graduate high school in Australia, and 104 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: it has an alternating p O V structure between Taylor 105 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: and Charlie. Taylor is autistic, anxious, and quote curvy and 106 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: a huge fan of the Queen Firestone series, while Charlie 107 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: is a Chinese Australian content creator and actor who recently 108 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: had a big break in a movie UM and also 109 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: a very public breakup with her co star Reese Ryan 110 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: after he cheated on her and humulated her UM. She 111 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: is signed on to be in the sequel of her 112 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: breakout film, Although Rising, which is a zombie film, and 113 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: through that she got all of them passes to Supercon 114 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: which Supercon is in l A, by the way, and 115 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: the friends, all of whom are planning on moving to 116 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: l A after graduating, traveled to the US for the convention. 117 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: While the atmosphere overwhelms her, Taylor is determined to meet 118 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: her hero, Skyler Atkins, who wrote the Queens of Firestone 119 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: books that transformed Taylor's life and helped her deal with 120 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: her anxiety and undiagnosed autism. She was recently diagnosed when 121 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: the book was written. UM. She proudly her self made 122 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: cosplay and waits a line to meet Skyler, believing that 123 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: if she can do this, if she can meet her, 124 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: she can do anything. But Skyler has to leave abruptly devastated. 125 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: Her best friend and very obvious crush, Jamie tries to 126 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: convince her to enter a sort of Biggest Fan contest 127 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: where the prize is hanging out with Skyler and going 128 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: to the after party with her, and also the premier 129 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: um of the next movie, but Taylor has a panic 130 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: attack at just the thought of it. Meanwhile, Charlie is 131 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: doing a lot of publicity and learns from our publicist 132 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: Mandy that her ex is coming to Supergne when he 133 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: wasn't originally supposed to, and the studio wants her to 134 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: pretend they are back together. Charlie refuses, but agrees to 135 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: pretend they're on good terms. She meets the creator and 136 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: actors she's long idealized, named Alyssa, and there's an immediate 137 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: spot between them. They have lunch problems to do a 138 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: YouTube collapse together yes Um. Taylor and Jamie explore the 139 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: convention and Jamie runs into a girl she'd met waiting 140 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: in line to see skyler named Josie, and Josie shows 141 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: her the comic that she made about an autistic Superhue 142 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: Euro and they have a very vulnerable moment together and 143 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: Jessie really inspires Taylor UM and Taylor, by the way, 144 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: is posting about her experience on Tumblr this whole time. UM. 145 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: Taylor joins a group of Queen Firestone Cause players and 146 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: meets Britanna, who convinces her to participate in the Ultimate 147 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: Fan Competition. Charlie and Alyssa do their collab together and 148 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: end up kissing at the end. UM. Charlie says she's 149 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: going to edit that bit out, and Alyssa asked Charlie 150 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: out to dinner. Charlie agrees, but because she's scarred by 151 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: the very public nature of her relationship and break up 152 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: with Reese UM, the fans shipped them as Chase and 153 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: pretty much everyone keeps asking Charlie if they're going to 154 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: get back together. Charlie wants to have their date privately. 155 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: Alyssa is hurt by this, not wanting to be a secret, 156 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: but ultimately agrees after Charlie explains, and she takes Charlie 157 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: to the closed con Arcade where they play games have 158 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: a picnic make out, and then go back to the 159 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: hotel to have sex. Um later we find out that 160 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: Alissa's ex girlfriend wouldn't go public with her even after 161 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: almost two years, pretended like she didn't know Alyssa when 162 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: they saw each other for the first time at a 163 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: friend's funeral after they broke up, UM and she was 164 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: with another woman. Um also listens super into stand in Astronauts. Yeah, 165 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, I am very confused. And maybe it's because 166 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: at that point I didn't understand. I don't know why. 167 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: I don't think they have a descriptor of Alyssa. I'm 168 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: guessing she's a black character. Was that the reason why 169 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: the ex girlfriend was trying to hide her because obviously 170 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: she wasn't afraid to come out as gay because she 171 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: had a girlfriend and still didn't acknowledge her at that point. 172 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: Who was famous at this point? Right, Yes, I believe. 173 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: So I was very confused. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm 174 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: not sure it could be anyway. This is one of 175 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: the small whole great book. I just was confused by that. 176 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: Uh So, Taylor almost backs out of the first part 177 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: of the Supervan Contest, which is the cosplay contest, but Brianna, 178 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: the woman she met earlier, promises her they'll stick together. Um. 179 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: Taylor misses her mark of what makes the final cut 180 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: to the second part of the competition, the trivia contest, 181 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: as does Brianna. Charlie invites Taylor and Jamie to sort 182 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: of oppress event at a zombie maze, and Charlie's movie 183 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: was a zombie movie, which I didn't realize until later 184 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: on either. I was like, oh, okay, um with Reese 185 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: and Charlie and Reese have a fight while Taylor and 186 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: Jabie kiss and make out. However, Taylor panics and spirals 187 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: thinking about what this means, was it a one time 188 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: thing or she doesn't know how to be a girlfriend? 189 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: And Charlie and her habit talk that laid to Taylor 190 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,599 Speaker 1: and Jabie reconciling and conversating and realizing, oh, this is 191 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: what's happening, communicating and then kissing some more. And then 192 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: Taylor goes to the trivia contest and overhears another contestant 193 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: calling her Queen fat Stone, so she retreats to the bathroom, 194 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: writes a tumbler post about it, and overhears Brianna having 195 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: a panic attack and helps Brienna get through this panic attack, 196 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: and Brianna reveals she had a stutter and is thinking 197 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: of dropping out of the contest, and Taylor shares that 198 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: she herself was terrified at the cosplay contest and would 199 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: have left if not for Brianna. Both realized that perhaps 200 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: confidence isn't what they think it is or doesn't look 201 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: like they think it does, and go out to compete. 202 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: It comes down to Brianna and Taylor, but Taylor gets 203 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: tongue tied and Brianna wins um though both are very 204 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: supportive each other supportive from I love that throughout the 205 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: book because I really was on at the very beginning. 206 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, no, here we go. This girl's 207 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: gonna be famous, and then she's gonna shun her friends, 208 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: and then ever happens. But you know, within that scene, 209 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: what I really loved is, yes, this girl, these two 210 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: girls are talking about her, and one of the girls 211 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: call her fat Stone. The other girl is mad and 212 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: late and says, how dare you that is so mate 213 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: and walks off. That is rare of a scene, and 214 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: I like that she did it that way. They were 215 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: so because we're so used to seeing Like I was 216 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: ready for it, and it was like a relief, it 217 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: really was. But yeah, it was genuinely quick scene and 218 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: I know the focus was that she was called bad, 219 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: but I love that part of the girl who's like 220 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: not having it. She's like, you're me, why would you 221 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: say that? And walk off and I'm like, wow, that's 222 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: not how I saw that playing out. So nice wild um. 223 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: While Charlie was watching the contest being supportive, and she 224 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: found out Mandy Row had accidentally posted the unedited video 225 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: of her and Alista kissing, and now the world knows 226 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: and they're trending. Charlie has to go to a damage 227 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: control meeting with Reese, who, by the way, has already 228 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: insulted Taylor, insulted Charlie and then pushed Jamie sucker punched 229 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: Jamie at a party earlier, and it's so over it. 230 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: She tells Mandy that after this, she refuses to do 231 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: any press with Reese anymore, and Mandy Mandy backs her 232 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: up and gives her extra passes to the Supercon after 233 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: party as a way of saying I'm sorry, And then 234 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: Charlie goes to tell Alyssa what happened and they have 235 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: a serious dtr do you know what. I love that 236 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: DTR defining the relationship that leads Charlie confused and in tears. Yes, 237 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: and then yeah, I know because I was writing this 238 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: out and I was like, oh, I think I could 239 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: use that term. Samantha taught me. Thank you. I'm learning, 240 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: I'm learning. UM. Taylor and Jamie have a DTR of 241 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: their own when they get second and elevator together, and 242 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: they're both honest with their worries and hopes for the 243 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: future and their relationship and their history. UM. They open 244 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: up about what they love about each other, and Taylor 245 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: describes her experience with autism and anxiety. They make out 246 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: until the elevator starts working again. They reunite with Charlie, 247 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: who reveals she's dealing with fear over her relationship with Alyssa, 248 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: and Taylor gives her a pep talk. Charlie decides on 249 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: a grand romantic gesture and at the after party plays 250 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: the video, proving to Alyssa that she's serious and doesn't 251 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: care what anyone else thinks. Alyssa runs to find her 252 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: in the arcade and they make out some more, and 253 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: then Brianna andwered uses Taylor to Skyler uh they're hero um. 254 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: It was very kind and down to earth and blushes 255 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: that Taylor's praise and Taylor is over the mir room. 256 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: Taylor then introduced the Skyler to Jamie and Josie and 257 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: later with Charlie an Alissa. They party till the sun 258 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: rises and yeah, I do love that they and Wild 259 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: ends it on Taylor doing a tumbler post and then 260 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: it cuts it. This was a whole and I don't know, 261 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about it, but it wasn't overall sweet. 262 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: Take at something that I have had these moments and 263 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: I don't know about you. I know, actually I do 264 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: know about you, uh that like there are events that 265 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: stick in your memory as being some of the best 266 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: moments of your life and wishing that you could just 267 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: hold onto it and rasp it forever. And then then 268 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: ending in the photo booth taking all of these memorable 269 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: pictures and memorable moments, but also having like Charlie and 270 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: Taylor really honing on each other, because it also made 271 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: me sad. I like, oh, would you'll leave? Hot school 272 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: is everything? Especially if she goes on the startom, especially 273 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: if Charlie goes onto her stardom, Like yeah, it's gonna 274 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: change it is gonna change it. Yeah, And that was 275 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: a big thing throughout the book. Um, and we are 276 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: going to talk about that. But um, there were so 277 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: many relatable things throughout this and one of them was, yeah, 278 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: like when Taylor gets the convention, she's like, it's gonna 279 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: be so fun. We're not gonna worry about anything. It's 280 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: only going to be fun and trying so hard to 281 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: make it fun. And then all of these things are 282 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: like upsetting or don't go the way you think they 283 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: do or yeah and all that, and it was I 284 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: felt that very much, but it was lovely that in 285 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: the end it worked out. It was right. It was 286 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: nice to see that perfect little ending. But I feel like, again, 287 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: there are those moments that will just like you have 288 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: that emotion. You might not even remember everything that happened, 289 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: you just know you have that heartwarming feeling about that time. 290 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: And that's what this moment felt like, especially because it 291 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: was like a week maybe span that they did all 292 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: of these giant, lovely things that really cultivated the character. 293 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: Love that Jamie's character was so kind and understanding. Also 294 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: in my head, I'm like, huh, that's not always gonna happen. 295 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: Either like I'm just such a negative person sometimes with this, 296 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: but I think it was really sweet and it was 297 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: it was nice, like, oh, this is a good y 298 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: are like, there's definitely a lot of like hy A 299 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: novels are dystopian and sad and tramatic that I'm like, 300 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: this is good. This is good. It was good because, 301 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: like I said, I had the same thing where I 302 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: kept waiting for the like shoot to fall, the bad 303 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 1: thing to happen, and there was plenty of like drama 304 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 1: and things went wrong, but nothing ever went seriously wrong, 305 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: and the friends like start together and we're supportive of 306 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: each other, and it was very very nice. It was 307 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: a good change from what we did. But I also 308 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: like everything about it is her way of describing the 309 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: anxiety and the autism, the mind, how her mind plays 310 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: out during these times. I felt so relatable, too relatable. 311 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: I feel like I've had these conversations when I talked 312 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: to people about a d h D and all of 313 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: these things, and I'm like, I need you to stop 314 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: reading my mail, thank you very much, um, But yeah, 315 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: like it was really an amazing perspective. I think she 316 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: did it very realistically, felt right on. I did have 317 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: a moment of panic at one of those chapters. I 318 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: listened to this on audible. So, by the way, if 319 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: you have a chance, I know reading the book is 320 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: classic and I love it. But hearing them in like 321 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: the with the all Australian accident and understanding where they're 322 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: coming from, and then like the voices that they do, 323 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: they found perfect characters. I felt like to really bring 324 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 1: this to life in a different way than if I 325 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: had just been reading it and hearing him the voices 326 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: in my head. But like at one point where she 327 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: was describing one of the things that she was going 328 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: through in the packet forth, I almost had a panic 329 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: attack myself because it was too real and to one 330 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: point that I was like, okay, so I need you 331 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: to stop doing that because I like my I was like, 332 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: I'm starting to put me at the point that i 333 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: can't breathe. I'm I'm gonna get to that point. Um. 334 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: So it was a little too real, I will give 335 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: you that. But that made it even better as as 336 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: because when she calmed down, I calmed out with her, 337 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: like like but oh that was a minute. Almost triggered 338 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: me into having a little bit of an anxiety moment 339 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: as too, but but like it was that on point 340 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: in what she was saying and how she was describing 341 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: it as well as like just being able to play 342 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: it out, but also normalizing the relationship ships and normalizing 343 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: um this having conversations with each other and try to 344 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: walk through things instead of just in your head. Also, yeah, 345 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,719 Speaker 1: she does a great job and normalizing the cute romances 346 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: that are happening without it feeling like it's you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, 347 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: there's definitely As I said, they are the tumbler posts throughout, 348 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: so there's a couple of different writing styles throughout. But 349 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: when she does sort of her panic or anxiety moments, 350 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: they are written sort of differently and they do take 351 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: you out and they they make you feel it like, yeah, 352 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: I had moments to you where I was like, wow, 353 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: I'm really this sounds like something I've experienced. Um. Yes, yes, 354 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: So we did want to read a quote from the 355 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: book about that most people think of anxiety as panic attacks. 356 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: That's not entirely accurate. I haven't had a panic attack 357 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: in years. I started to recognize the signs and learned 358 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: what I needed to do to stop it from spiraling. 359 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: I learned how to internalize it to avoid public embarrassment. 360 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: Anxiety is an attack that explodes out of me. It's 361 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: not a volcano that lies dormant until it's triggered by 362 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: an earth shattering event. It's a constant companion, like a 363 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: blow fire that gets into the house in the middle 364 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: of summer, flying around and around you. Hear it buzzing, 365 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: but you can't see it, can't capture it, can't let 366 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: it out. My anxiety is invisible to others, but often 367 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: it's the focal point of my mind. Everything that happens 368 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: on a day to day basis is filtered through a 369 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: lens colored by anxiety. That nervousness that makes your palm 370 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: sweat and your heart race before you get up and 371 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: make a speech in front of an audience. That's what 372 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: I feel in normal conversation at a dinner table. Are 373 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: just thinking about having a conversation at a dinner table. 374 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: Um and yeah, going on, And she says, everything feels 375 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: like I'm on stage, a spotlight on me, all lies 376 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: on me, watching judging like I'm one second away from 377 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: total disaster. It's invisible, it's irrational, it's never ending. I 378 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: could be standing there smiling and chatting like everything is 379 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: totally fine, while secretly wanting to scream and probably and 380 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: run away. No one would ever know, and in my mind, 381 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: no one can hear me scream. I hide it because 382 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: I know it's not understood or acceptable, because I'm not 383 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: understood or acceptable. So here I am hiding it, standing 384 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: in a toilet stall, trying to remember how to breathe. Yes, yes, 385 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: And this this is one that I feel like I 386 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: really connected to. And we've been talking about this through 387 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: the pandemic. We were just talking about it, like for me, 388 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: it's gotten worse where it does when I'm talking to somebody. 389 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: In my head there's like panic, like, oh God, what 390 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: are you gonna stay next? What are you gonna do? 391 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? And I think I even 392 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: talked about it recently about how I went out to 393 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: a restaurant and I just felt like everyone was looking 394 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: at me. And I know they weren't, but I just 395 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: was like so uncomfortable with my body. It's like, oh 396 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: everyone can see me. Am I being awkward or I'm 397 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: being so awkward. It's just it does kind of consume 398 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: a lot of your energy and attention. Yeah, yeah, And I, 399 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: as I said at the tap, I do you have 400 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: a lot of specific convention stories to a lot of this, 401 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: And one was I remember very clearly there's a time 402 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: I was waiting in line for something just as Catwoman, 403 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: and I told my ex that I felt like I 404 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: was one second way from having a major breakdown most 405 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: of the time, and that I hated having people look 406 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: at me. And he was so shocked, UM, and he 407 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: was like, well, why the hell do you do this? Then? Like, 408 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: what is this? I would never have said that about you. 409 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: It's like, well, it's smack that I put on. What 410 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, The outward doesn't necessarily much once ago 411 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: going on inside. UM. In a weird way though, like 412 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: for me, wearing a costume sometimes makes it better because 413 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: I feel like someone else and it can go reverse 414 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: is As I've talked about at length, people can be 415 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: creepy at conventions, but in general, if people are leaving 416 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: me all un sometimes I can actually feel better in costume. 417 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: Something else that was mentioned, what were things like PTSD 418 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: and autism? As we said, UM, and there's like a 419 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: pretty great scene where Josie meets Taylor and they have 420 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: that talk UM, and Josie says, medication and therapy are great. 421 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: I tried natural therapies to yoga, acupunture, medication, aroma therapy, 422 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: and a lot of it helped me relax. But it 423 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: wasn't until I joined a few fandoms online and started 424 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: taking illustrations seriously that my anxiety really started to become 425 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: easier to manage. It sounds so cliched, but once I 426 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: started doing more things that made me happy, it made 427 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: everything else a little easier to deal with. I hold 428 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: my palms up. Wait are you saying that geeking out 429 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: helps you cope? She nods, Like nothing else. And this 430 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: is something we've talked about too. This is this is 431 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: true for me UM, like using fan fiction and media. 432 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: I love to get through trauma. UM. And we've talked 433 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: about that. Uh, how for some people that have that 434 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: is really beneficial and for some people like finding your 435 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: online community of other fans has been really really helpful 436 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: and and fan fiction is a place where you can 437 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 1: do that. There are other places too, but yeah, just 438 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: like art or writing or whatever, it is kind of 439 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: helping work work through things. And that's something in my therapy, 440 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: and my therapist is always like, well, clearly writing is 441 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: your thing, So like just as much as you can write, 442 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: um do it? Uh. And yeah, as I've said, my 443 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: fan fiction, my Quarantine Baby, I mean it's like five hundred, 444 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: six hundred pages. Now that's just therapy for me. And 445 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: then I started playing D and D as I said, 446 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: to to deal with PTSD. So yeah, that just really 447 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: hit home to me. I know that's not for everyone, 448 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: and it doesn't work for everyone, but it is something 449 00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: that for me, I was like, yes, yes, keeping busy. 450 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: You know a lot of people like that. Um. And 451 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: then there's also the queer representation in this book, and 452 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: perhaps specifically bisexual representation, which we talk about. It doesn't 453 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: you don't see a lot of that, um, but the 454 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: character Charlie identifies as bisexual. Uh, And you do see 455 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: a lot of what I'm assuming because Wild the author, 456 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: also identifies as bisexual. You see a lot of the 457 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:29,479 Speaker 1: like really comments about bisexuality people often get when they 458 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: say they're bisexual. For example, when Reese says he doesn't 459 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: believe it's real when Charlie tells him she's bisexual, and 460 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: then he asked her, have you ever been with a girl? 461 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: And Charlie has that kind of insecurity of she's never 462 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: been with a girl. And this is a quote from 463 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: Charlie about her sexuality. The moment I first realized I'm 464 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: into more than one gender was a quiet one. It 465 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: was sudden and almost anticlimactic. So it's not a particularly 466 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: exciting story. I was fourteen, and by that time I'd 467 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: had more than one crush on a girl, mostly movie stars. 468 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: But I never interpreted my feelings as a crush. I 469 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: just thought I admired them a whole lot. It didn't 470 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: occur to me that those feelings were similar to the 471 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: way I feel about guys I liked. I saw a 472 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: post on tumbler or with the title you won't believe 473 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: these actresses are bisexual or something stupid like that. I 474 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: didn't really know what it meant at the time, so 475 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: I googled it. It didn't take long to recognize myself 476 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: in many of the articles I found, and that was it. 477 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 1: But I've never actually been with a girl before. I've 478 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: never even flirted with a girl before. This is also new, 479 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if I'm reading too much into this. 480 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: Are we having lunch's friends or could this be something more? Yeah, 481 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: and I related to that too, because I that's essentially 482 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: what happened to me. I didn't know I bi sexuality 483 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: was that thing, and then I learned what it was, 484 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, yeah, I did have a 485 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: crush on both Scully and Molder. Yeah, so out of curiosity, 486 00:26:54,480 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: kind of out of left field. But the tumbler still exist. Yes, yes, 487 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: it is really really big in the fan fiction world. 488 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: But in fan fiction a lot of times the author 489 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: will put at the bottom, like here's my tumbler, and 490 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: that's where you can find like artwork that they've done, 491 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,479 Speaker 1: our gifts that they've made, our challenges that they do, 492 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: where they're like, it's what was one recently, it's a 493 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: Darth Vader Luke exchange. But anyway, then everybody's writing all that. 494 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: That's the day I texted you and I was like, 495 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: so much fan fiction is updating books happening because somebody 496 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: posted on tumbler a challenge and everyone was like, oh, okay, 497 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: so yeah, I kind of forgot because one of the 498 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: things I kept thinking was this was based five years ago, 499 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: and like, I don't even they mentioned TikTok, do they? 500 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't think so. And I'm like, wow, 501 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: like it's already kind of changed, the like mediums have 502 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: changed since then. I don't like how wondering what it's 503 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: gonna look like this book is gonna look like it 504 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: even ten years. But I did wonder that because I 505 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: was like, it is Tumbler still around? Because I can't 506 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: remember still around? That's how I old I am. You're 507 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: welcome vines, aren't. I know they're not. I got I 508 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: got that part, you know, thank you? I now know? 509 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: Uh you know again, Yeah, we talked about this earlier. 510 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: I was excited to see the true friendships that happened, 511 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: and then women supporting women and no one taking anybody 512 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: down except that one nasty girl, which you know, I'm like, 513 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: she definitely had to put that in. But outside of that, really, 514 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: even again, that one girl who talked to the other 515 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: girl and the other girls defending Taylor was like, what 516 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: that was lovely to see and it was nice to 517 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: see throughout because they really cared and loved for each other. Uh. 518 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: The fact that Charlie was thinking about not want to 519 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: leave out her friends, um thinking about how much she 520 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: loved her fans, how many they were like, it was 521 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: really nice to see. There's another part about that. I 522 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: rub a hand over the back of my head, trying 523 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: to figure out how to explain it, Like sometimes I 524 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: don't think I'm being a girl right to have an undercut, 525 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: and we're clothes I've bought from the boys section, and 526 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: I don't wear makeup or do my nails, watch horror 527 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: movies and play video games, burp and swear, and don't 528 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: talk about my feelings or any of that crap. I'm 529 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: like Sandra Bullock and Miss Congeniality only before the makeover. 530 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: So Charlie shrugs, Gracy heart rocks. Besides, there's no way 531 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: to be a girl, Tay. You don't need to fit 532 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: yourself into what society tells us a girl should be. 533 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: Girls can be whoever they want, whether that's an ass kicking, 534 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: sarcastic crimes offing FBI agent or a funny, gorgeous, witty 535 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: beauty queen or both at the same time. And she 536 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: swings and arm around me and pulls me in. Are 537 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,239 Speaker 1: you happy the way you are? Are you comfortable? Do 538 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: you feel like yourself? The corner of my mouth lifts 539 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: into a half smile. Yes, yes, and yes, then that's 540 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: all that matters. Get anything else? Yeah, yeah, um, and 541 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: I really liked that too, because m Taylor and Charlie 542 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: are kind of opposites in a lot of ways um 543 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: and how they look and what they like, but they're 544 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: just like still so close and they know, he said, 545 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: each other so well, so they know how to like 546 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: pump each other up. Yeah, they know how to uplift 547 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: each other. Um. And I like there's a scene where 548 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: Charlie is talking about like her sex life and Taylor 549 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: is like, oh, you know, I've never done it, and 550 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: it's like very sex positive both ways, like neither one 551 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: of them shames each other are is ashamed of it um, 552 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: which I thought was really refreshing too. Yeah. Um. And 553 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: then again like we've talked about this a lot, but 554 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: it was really nice that they met so many supportive 555 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: people at this convention. You had Josie helping Taylor, Brianna 556 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: helping Taylor, then Taylor helping Brianna UM, and then Brianna 557 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: helping Taylor get like it's just yeah, and then Mandy like, 558 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: even though she made that mistake, she wasn't demonized at all. 559 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: And then Charlie UM being so supportive of Taylor and 560 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: Taylor being so supportive Charlie UM almost all the women 561 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,719 Speaker 1: are incredibly beautifully supportive of each other, um, and are 562 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: they for each other and are being truly happy for 563 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: each other. Because I thought there was gonna be some 564 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: because Charlie kept getting pulled away, so I thought there 565 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: was gonna be some like resentment, and there never was. 566 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: It was all like, no, go get it, you go 567 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: to do what you have to do, we'll be here, 568 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: we'll hang out after or whatever. That was nice. Yeah, yeah, 569 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: And uh, I know this is, you know, quite a 570 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: nice portrait. But I do have people who have met 571 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: people at conventions and they're like some of their best friends, 572 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: and they were very supportive of each other. And I 573 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: do have like a set of convention friends and it's nice, 574 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: like every yeah, every time, I like, oh I gotta 575 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: meet up with this person and this person this person. 576 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: To be fair, you have a little drama every now 577 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: and I but still overall pretty good. It's still fun. 578 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: You have the best. But I'm just saying, do yeah, 579 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: I love the story. I mean, I've got I've got 580 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: my like core group of friends that are like all 581 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: year round friends, and they'll they kind of interpret things 582 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: from me. They're like this guy, no, he's just trying 583 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: to get a date with you or something not not 584 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: that one. So that's I got. I got my backup 585 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: crew there and I'm there for them and we always 586 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: have a good time. Yeah. Yeah, and it's exhausting now 587 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: that Yeah, that was one of my favorite parts of 588 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: the book. Is that so much nerddom and so much phantom. 589 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: There's so many references. There's cosplay, there's fan fiction, there's 590 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: Star Wars, the Last of Us, Supernatural, um, and it 591 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: is really accurate depiction I think of of cosplay like 592 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: I was like when they would be like, you know, 593 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: you see this character next to this character, and this 594 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: character next to this character. That's one of my favorite things. 595 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: So you can tell that Wild was very familiar with 596 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: convention scene. There was some elements of toxic fandom. It 597 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: wasn't too much, but there was. And then yeah, the 598 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: whole meeting or heroes thing. I was so on edge 599 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: about that. When she finally met Skyler Atkins, I was like, oh, 600 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: what if she's terrible and you know, might not be 601 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: the most realistic thing, but she was lovely and that 602 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: was nice. Um at the beginning when the ill advised 603 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: plan where Jamie's like, well, let's just chase her down 604 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: the hall. Um. I accidentally had a moment like that 605 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: once with Summer Cloud, who I wasn't trying to meet 606 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: or anything, but I was. There's a Walk of Fame 607 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: at Dragon Con where you can get people's autographs, and 608 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: I just walked and I didn't realize it was closed. Um, 609 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: and she was in. There was like security guards, and 610 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: I almost got some serious trouble. But I was just like, oh, no, 611 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, I didn't know. I didn't know. Back up, 612 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: I swear I'm not a creep. There's a lot of 613 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: stuff about the power of entertainment and the impact it 614 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: can have on people's lives. Um. You know, Taylor is saying, 615 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: like this transform my life, something me get through anxiety. 616 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: I did really love when Charlie's signing the autographs and 617 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: she sees all the people online and it's like wants 618 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: to be there and sign things for them and meet them, 619 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: like really loving the fans. I love that. In Charlie's story, 620 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: there is a lot of stuff about the double standard 621 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: for women in entertainment, Like in interviews, she's constantly getting 622 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: asked about how she stays in shape, about her ex 623 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: running in skinny jeans was something she had to do. 624 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: Running in heels was something she had to do for 625 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: the movie. She was told by the director to run 626 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: sex year and meanwhile Reese is getting like serious questions 627 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: about how he acts. And then Reese himself accuses Taylor. Essentially, 628 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: he says like, you'll have to sleep your way to 629 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: the top and be less of a bitch both. So 630 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: there was that. Then there was the fat phobia element, 631 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: Taylor feeling uncomfortable in her own body. The Queen fat 632 00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: Stone comments um so after she heard that, she posted 633 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,959 Speaker 1: this on Tumbler. In the book, maybe you are someone 634 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: out there will see this and think twice before you 635 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: make an offhand comment about a body that belongs to 636 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: someone else. Fat, chubby, curvy, overweight, plus size, whatever you 637 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: want to call it. Those words don't have to be insults. 638 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: I'm not offended by the word fat, even though you 639 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: said it like it was the worst thing. Ever. I 640 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: don't care what some random person thinks about my body. 641 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: I like my body, but it's not the most interesting 642 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: part of me. If you judge me based on the 643 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: way I'm shaped, then you miss out on how awesome 644 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: I am, and I am awesome. I love wearing my 645 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: Queen Fire Snow cosplay. I feel strong in it, I 646 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: feel powerful, I feel beautiful. You're fleeting superficial judgment won't 647 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: change that. I love that. I love that. It could 648 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: be hard, it could be hard to hold onto those 649 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: feelings when you hear something like that, and when I mean, 650 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: a convention is a space where you, especially if you're 651 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: a woman, you're going to feel like a lot of judgment. 652 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: And it kind of comes from both ways, because it 653 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: comes from people who are there who are awesome cosplay, 654 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 1: but like my aunt used to just really make fun 655 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: of me for cosplay, So it can be hired to 656 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: kind of be positive about yourself and your experience and 657 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: how you feel in your cosplay and how you feel 658 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: in your body. But I loved that. I thought it 659 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: was great. Yeah, it was um. And to go back 660 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,240 Speaker 1: to the double standard part, Charlie says in the book, 661 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 1: this is the third interviewer in a row who's asked 662 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: Geese an end depth question about his job as an 663 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: actor and then asked me about my workout and diet regimen. 664 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: I want to tell this guy to ask me something else, 665 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: but I don't want to look like a bit or 666 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: get in trouble with the studio. So I grinned and 667 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: beartt yet again. Yeah, there's that like looking like a 668 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: bit worried. And they were also kind of holding over 669 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: her that they would cut her out of the sequel. Yeah, 670 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: she didn't, she didn't comply. Yeah, so that was throughout 671 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: and I liked at the end where Bandy was like, no, 672 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put us to this. They can't do this 673 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: without you. Yeah, you're you're at the star, because that 674 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: was another thing. Was was the star the first one, 675 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: and she was kind of like always behind him, and 676 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: in the sequel she's supposed to be the star. Um, 677 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: So her kind of coming into her power and realize like, no, 678 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: I am the start and you can't just cut me 679 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: out right. So that was good to see. And then 680 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Samantha, this is a lot of ways 681 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,320 Speaker 1: a coming of age story, um and I think it 682 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: cashed it really well that like kind of we're all 683 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: about to go to university. We don't know if we're 684 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: all going to go to the same university, what we're 685 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: gonna end up doing, we we're gonna end up being, 686 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: and that being a very scary and emotional time, Like 687 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 1: I really connected with that. Um. And here's a quote 688 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: in movies at college changes everything. Couples break up, people change, 689 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: friends stop hanging out, friends stop hanging out. That's what 690 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: really scares me. And that's I felt that too. And 691 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: it's one of those things where it's natural and it 692 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: makes sense, but it's still scare lurry. And I'm somebody 693 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: who like, I want to hold on. If I like you, 694 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: I do not want to let you go, but I 695 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: know it will happen, and I'll try to fight it 696 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: as long as I can. But it's just, yeah, some 697 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: thing feels an inevitable, like it's gonna change. Yeah. It's 698 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: definitely one of those big moments of knowing life has 699 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,879 Speaker 1: changed and life is changing. It will never be back 700 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 1: this way again. Uh. I have some five memories. I 701 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: honestly don't have any childhood friends but one or two, uh, 702 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: any of my high school friends because small towns, conservative towns, 703 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: and then you come out and you do your different thing. Um. 704 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's a landmark time for an individual 705 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: for sure, especially if you've been in this route of 706 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: loving high school, finding your group and then growing up 707 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: and what does that mean right, Yeah, And like you said, 708 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 1: kind of having this big book and event and feeling 709 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: at this convention um and all these conversations about what 710 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: the future is going to look like and sort of 711 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: embracing that. Yeah. I just I felt like, yeah, that 712 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: captured that feeling very very well. Things are changing um. 713 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: And then there was also yes, a lot of romance throughout, 714 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: and I was like, whoa quick. Yeah. I was like, wow, 715 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: we're just jumping in because I immediately like, oh, Taylor 716 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: has a crush on Jamie. Jamie as a rush Okay. 717 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: My first chapter I was like, Okay, got it and 718 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: immediate and then Charlie I think two chapters and I 719 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,320 Speaker 1: was like, oh, you're going for a list Okay, I 720 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: got it. Moves quick, like the whole books, very very quickly. 721 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: It's a build up to it. And then there was, yes, 722 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 1: the whole element of Charlie being asked to be in 723 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: a showmance with Reese, which she did turn down, but 724 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: everyone was asking, Everyone was asking if they're going to 725 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: get back together, if Chase is going to get back together. 726 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: He was pushing for them to get back together for 727 00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 1: the fame pretty much for the ship. But that was 728 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: interesting because we just talked about this um when we 729 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: did our kind of Hollywood and Women episode, and this 730 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: was sort of an example of how it can be 731 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: a negative experience for somebody when your relationship is so 732 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: public and you've got fans shipping your relationship, and how 733 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: tricky that would be in there. They're eighteen in this book, 734 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: so that's pretty young to have to deal with that. 735 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie as a forty something at all. 736 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: I was like, it feels like I'm not supposed to 737 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: read this part because they're so young. Yeah. Interestingly, I 738 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,280 Speaker 1: did read a lot of reviews that said, like Reese 739 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 1: was really one dimensional that I thought were interesting. It 740 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: was like, oh, he has no reason for being a douche, 741 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: But I feel like that was the point was he 742 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: was like that guy exists. I promise you that guy. 743 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,919 Speaker 1: And I feel like there's plenty of times where women 744 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: are like that and no one questions it. Um. It's 745 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: like people who are coming to Reese's defense, and I 746 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: was like, why why Because he had one moment of 747 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: being like I miss you, then he was immediately a 748 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: jerk after that. Before that, immediately before the literally stuck 749 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: to punch somebody after calling Harror Slot but say like 750 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: I miss you. Yeah, yeah, I just thought that was interesting. Yeah, 751 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: And I also just want to put it in here 752 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: as we wrap up. I love the Taylor and Jamie 753 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,800 Speaker 1: went on what Taylor thought was a date and Taylor 754 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: didn't know as a date when they were younger, and 755 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: I was like, yep, I connect to the business a 756 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 1: lot of people this way. I have a lot of 757 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,399 Speaker 1: young ladies. It's true, it's true, but I'm glad. Yeah. 758 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: They seemed like a healthy couple and very support of 759 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: each other, So I've got it worked out for them eventually. 760 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: And I did want to throw it in this final thing. 761 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 1: I saw a marriage proposal at Dragon Con once and 762 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 1: it was incredibly sweet as Pokemon themed and it was 763 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: very very very cute. Uh So, Yeah, it was a 764 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: very enjoyable read. Um. I had a great time reading it, 765 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,439 Speaker 1: and I recommend it. Yes, if you need to have 766 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: a moment away from all of the said this in 767 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: the world. This was very sweet and uplifting. Was it 768 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: was very nerdy, which very nerds. They talked about supernatural 769 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: I'm very hapy y. Yes, Yes, it was really really fun. 770 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,399 Speaker 1: It was a really fun read. So check it out. 771 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: Um and It's always. If you have any suggestions for 772 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: what we should read next, please let us know. You 773 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,319 Speaker 1: can emails that stuff and your mom Stuff at ihart 774 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 1: me dot com. You can find us on Twitter at 775 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: mom Stuff podcast or Instagram and Stuff I Never told 776 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,320 Speaker 1: to you. Thanks, It's Always too. Are super producer, Christina, 777 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: you are also a hero. I think you would. You 778 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,760 Speaker 1: would fit into the nerd realm with us, right Christina, 779 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: let us know. Thanks to you for listening stuff under 780 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 1: until the respection of I Heart Radio more podcast from 781 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: my Heart Radio. If you can visit the I Heart 782 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: Radio ap Apple podcast or if you listen to your 783 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: favorite shows