1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: This is the business of sports where in the situation 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: that we haven't dealt with in modern times, pandemic here 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: has really accelerated the investments that you've been advocating for 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: for years. Almost everyone else there is hoping that there's 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: some kind of return to normal by August September. In 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: depth conversations with the leaders in the sports industry, who 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: wants to be the sacrificial lambs that shows up at 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: the first big major sporting events. Were part of something 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: much bigger than the sport right now, and the health 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: and safety of our stakeholders is both smart important every 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: moment I think we're all from business respective thinking about 12 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: the impact that the virus is having across the country. 13 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business of Sports from Bloomberg Radio. Hello and happy Monday. 14 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: I'm Jason Kelly, and I'm Michael Barr and I'm Mike Lynch. Well, 15 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: we're here Monday's, Wednesdays and Thursdays to explore the big 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: money issues in the world of sports. Talked to some 17 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: of the biggest players in the industry. But the we 18 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: is back to normal today. We're so happy that Michael 19 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: Barr is back. He was last with us June three, 20 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: and Michael Barr, it's kind of been a bit of 21 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: a month, man, Like you picked an interesting time because 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: the world has changed pretty dramatically. We'll tell you what happened. 23 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: But what do you think happened? Well, I gotta tell you. 24 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: I just really I had a surgery. I had to 25 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: have a surgery on my back spine at the spinal cord. 26 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: You know how the disk they get in there, and 27 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: you had to have all that surgery blah blah blah 28 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: blah blah. And yes you're you're medicated sometimes And I'm 29 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: hearing the news and Cam Newton is going to the Patriots, 30 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: what what? What the heck happened? What is going on here? 31 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: And but you know what, that for him, that's gonna 32 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: be a renewed resurgence in his career because I think 33 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: Belichick is going to do wonders now with the Patriots 34 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: and the post Edward Brady. That one caught me off guard. 35 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: I didn't see that coming. So Lynchy, alright, so he 36 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: just I mean, he just t that one up for 37 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: you right there. I mean, all the things going on 38 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: in the world, this is where Michael Barr starts, So 39 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: pick that up. I mean, what what do you think. 40 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: We haven't actually had a chance to talk about Kim Newton. 41 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: We haven't, And all everything seems to come back to 42 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: Boston for some particular reason. And I can see what 43 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: you guys are saying. Now here they go, they got 44 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: a chance, another chance at the super Bowl. The rich 45 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: get richer. You know, they just couldn't struggle with Jared Stidhum. 46 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: They had to bring in Cam Newton. I'll tell you 47 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: what it's it's got people. Really, when Tom Brady went 48 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: to Tampa, everything he did down there was on every 49 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: talk show up here in the Boston Globe every day, 50 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: the picture of him working out their new uniforms. But 51 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: the minute they signed Cam Newton, all the focus has 52 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: been back on the Patriots. People have sort of cut 53 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: the cord with Tom and said see you later, Tom, 54 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: have a nice career down there. We've got Cam Newton 55 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: in there. Now is hope again back here in Foxboro 56 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: when there was nothing but a question mark with Jared 57 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: Stidham going in uh attempt at all, the four passes 58 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: last year in his rookie year, and a great deal 59 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: of uncertainty. So I think you're right, not only Belichick, 60 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: but Josh McDaniels, the offensive coordinator, is a very creative guy, 61 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: and Cater's the offense to the strength of his quarterback. 62 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: He never made Tom Brady do anything tom Brady was 63 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: incapable of doing. And I think we'll do the same 64 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: thing with Cam Newton. It's a big deal, I mean 65 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: for sure, and it completely changes It feels like the 66 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: calculus that everybody was going into to the favor of 67 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: the Patriots. You're exactly right, Lynchi. I mean, it's just amazing, 68 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: all right. So, Michael Barr, Kim Newton, notwithstanding what else 69 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: were you saying, And granted you were literally on your 70 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: back for a bit, but I just wonder what it 71 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: was like to kind of watch all this not being 72 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: sort of in the news flow like you normally are, 73 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: like doing news reports all day long. Well, one story 74 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: obviously that that popped in my head. Uh. And as 75 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, I'm a racing fan, I'm a I'm a 76 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: huge NASCAR fan, and i'mviously the Bubba Wallace story was 77 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: another thing that was very prominent out there in the news. Uh. 78 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: And it still is prominent because the President made a 79 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: tweet today about it. Uh. I'm gonna I'm gonna repeat 80 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: what the tweet was, and uh what the president said. Now, 81 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: I'll just leave it at that, uh he said, has 82 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: Bubba Wallace apologized to all of those great NASCAR drivers 83 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: and officials who came to his aide, stood by his side, 84 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: and we're willing to sacrifice everything for him, only to 85 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: find out that the whole thing was just another hoax. 86 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: That and flag decision has caused lowest ratings ever. That 87 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: is the president's tweet. Let me state this first of all, 88 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: Bubba Wallace never knew about the noose part of it 89 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: until somebody found that in the garage, which it turned 90 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: out to be part of a rope that snapped off, 91 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: I guess from the garage from last year at Talladega. 92 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: And then there are people were, you know, someone hired 93 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: an airplane and and flew the Confederate flag over that, 94 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: this and that whatever. The problem here is, first of all, NASCAR, Yes, 95 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: there have been problems with the ratings, but you know 96 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: it's yes, and people say the Confederate flag has been 97 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: part of the sport for years and this and that whatever. 98 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: But things evolve, things change. You know. It's like I'm 99 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: sorry toothpaste used to taste bad. Now it's not bad 100 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: anymore some brands things are going to evolve and and 101 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: people need to realize that in order for their sport 102 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: to continue. I'm just gonna leave the tweet from the 103 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: President out there, and you all say whatever you all 104 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: think out there, So I'm gonna leave it at that part. 105 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: So I do want to ask you, Michael, because we 106 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to talk to you about Bubba Wallace. 107 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I do wonder setting the President aside for 108 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: a second, I mean, what does it say to you 109 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: as a die hard racing fan in general about the 110 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: state of the sport, the state of the owners, the 111 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: state of the drivers, the state of the fans. Like, 112 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: what's your takeaway at this point? I gotta be honest. 113 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: NASCAR has some issues, and especially now that Jimmy Johnson 114 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: tested positive for COVID nineteen. He missed the Brickyard four 115 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: because of that. Uh And and this is what I 116 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: worry about it. And I mean, obviously he's not the 117 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: only athlete to test positive in other sports. We've having 118 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: this problem in baseball as well. But we're already in 119 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: a in a sport where there are no fans out 120 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: there the stands and you would think, because the drivers 121 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: are in a cocoon if you will blasting at two, 122 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: that they'll be okay. Obviously they're not. So it makes 123 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: me wonder not only about NASCAR going forward, but any 124 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: sport going forward. What's going to happen now with baseball? 125 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: We we're we're all talking about the Yes, we're gonna 126 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: have a uh fantasy draft all set with baseball. I'm 127 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: not so sure we're gonna have baseball or football for 128 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: that matter. Yeah, Lyncha, what's your read now? I mean, 129 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: it's a it's an interesting past week and troubling past 130 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: week to say the least, when it comes to sports restarting, 131 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: And Michael barrteat it up perfectly for us to to 132 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: talk about that, because I think two weeks ago on 133 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: this program and elsewhere, we were all probably having conversations about, like, Okay, 134 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: feel pretty good about this, feel good about the NBA, MLS. 135 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: You know, we had baseball come to a forced agreement 136 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: that was paying full to say the least, but they 137 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: got there, and now it feels like everything's in question. Well, 138 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: we we all agree that of the four major sports, 139 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: that baseball probably had the best chance of of succeeding 140 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: and completing its season because of the natural spacing of 141 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: positional players and the only players that came in close 142 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: contact with each other with the umpire and the catcher 143 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: and the batter. But now that we are learning that 144 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: a lot of key players are opting out of the season, 145 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: most recently David Price, who's forfeiting eleven point four million 146 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: dollars by the way to to not play this year, 147 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: and baseball the players refused to be in a bubble 148 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: like the NBA and like a Major League soccer in 149 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: like the National Hockey League. They said, Nope, we're not 150 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: going to do that. We're not staying in hotels and 151 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: home games. We're all going to stay in our apartments. 152 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: Our houses are condos. And that I think will be 153 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: the ultimate downfall to baseball because some of these guys 154 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: will gold places in a crowd in a restaurant, uh 155 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: in a club and someone's gonna come down with it, 156 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: and someone's gonna walk into a clubhouse and it's just 157 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 1: going to spread throughout the clubhouse. And I think that 158 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: is going to be the uh, the the end of 159 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: baseball when that happens, because these guys just cannot cannot 160 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: control themselves. They can't police themselves. You know, with twenty 161 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: one year old kid that's you know in New York 162 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: City is going to go back to his little three 163 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,719 Speaker 1: room apartment with his peanut butter and jelly sandwich every night. 164 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think so. So I 165 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: think that's that's gonna be the doom for baseball. Well 166 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: and bar, I'm worried about the NBA at this point, 167 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: which I felt like had set the best example and 168 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: was the most cohesive and drama free. But even even 169 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: that feels a little bit. I mean, listen, maybe they 170 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,599 Speaker 1: get going, and I think the key is going to 171 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: be what happens the first time someone in the bubble 172 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: test positive, Like, what's the reaction? I don't I don't 173 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: think we really know yet. We won't know until it 174 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: actually happens. Well, we were all happy as a clam 175 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: is like, hey, you know what, NBA, they're gonna play 176 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: it all down in Florida. Well i'll guess what. Florida 177 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: now is exploding with coronavirus cases. And and like you said, Mike, 178 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: is all it's gonna take is one guy to go 179 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: out there. And I had to go party wherever, and 180 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: then we've got a major problem on our hands. And 181 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: I just wonder if we can even pull this off 182 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: if we have to go north of the border, we 183 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: have to go in Canada and play some of these Yeah, 184 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean and and obviously, and we 185 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: were all excitedly talking about Cam Newton, but I mean, Lynch, 186 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: it's possible that Cam Newton doesn't see a pro football field, 187 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: or anybody sees a pro football field this year. This 188 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: is the one that has me scratching my head because football, 189 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: there's twenty two people on the field and outside of 190 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: the quarterback if he doesn't get sacked, and maybe the 191 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: two safeties, you know, they've got eighteen and nineteen other 192 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: people that are just wrestling with each other on every 193 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: single play. They're sweating on each other, they're breathing on 194 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: each other, they're spitting on each other. And I just 195 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I was out. Okay, go ahead, 196 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: you're right about that. Um So, I don't see how 197 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: football is going to work now. Granted, football has been 198 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: the timing wise when this thing broke in March, football 199 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: was the one sport that wasn't directly impacted. Uh, pretty soon. 200 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: Training camps are going to open at the end of 201 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 1: this month. They're scheduled to open. They already want to 202 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: cut too. They've already canceled the Hall of Fame game. Uh, 203 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: they're going to cancel two of the four preseason games 204 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: now that Players Association wants all the preseason games canceled. 205 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: And I think that that that that the National Football 206 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: League is just silently hoping for a vaccine to pop 207 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: up by September ten so they can go ahead and play. 208 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: Otherwise they're going to have to pull the plug. I 209 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: see no way that football can possibly be played at 210 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: any level NFL, college, high school, Pop Warner. It's just can't. 211 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: It's just it's just too the contact is too intimate. Yeah, yeah, 212 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: I'm I'm having a hard time wrap in my head. Er. 213 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: I mean it, I think you're exactly right that that 214 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: football pun intended has just been sort of punting all 215 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: along in this sense that they didn't have to make 216 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: a whole lot of decisions, and they've sort of been 217 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: chip chip chipping away at it. I mean, I think 218 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: they're watching very closely what's going on with some of 219 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: the uh college football programs. The big time college football 220 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,719 Speaker 1: programs they've seen, you know, whether it's Clemson or Alabama 221 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: or other UH, students come back, student athletes come back, 222 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: and some whom have tested positive. Then you have these 223 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: situations where the exact scenario you describe Lynch, where a 224 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: couple of players go out, they hang out at a 225 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: club because they're you know, eighteen nineteen year old kids, 226 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it spreads and I 227 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: just I don't know. I'm having a really hard time. 228 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I think, especially over the last week or so, 229 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: watching this huge surgeon cases down UH in the South 230 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: and South and into the West, I just don't see. 231 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: I just don't see how it happens. Unless there is 232 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: some as you say, some miraculous thing that happens medically 233 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: or at all of a sudden slows down. I have 234 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: a hard time seeing how that happens. So for the 235 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: final topic, I have to ask you guys about the 236 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: long awaited, long asked for by many discussions and seemingly 237 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: name change that is going to happen almost certainly in 238 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: Washington when it comes to the pro football team, and 239 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: potentially in Cleveland with the Major League baseball team. Let's 240 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: start with the Redskins because you know, Dan Snyder, let's 241 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: just say it not beloved. I think it's fair to say, 242 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: um among just about anyone. Uh. And he famously said 243 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: they will know this was a few years ago. Never 244 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: and he said, and you can all caps that will 245 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: we change our name? Well, that's going to happen. Uh. 246 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: Was this inevitable given what's been going on in the 247 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: world bar Yeah, especially now. And it's part of the problem. 248 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be fair to to Mr Snyder. There's 249 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: a lot of money in in the rights to the 250 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: name the Washington Redskins with jerseys and in all the 251 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: merchandise days. A heck of a lot of money involved 252 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: in that. And I get that part. But again, it's 253 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: like I was saying, earlier, things evolved. There's a reason 254 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: why there's not a team called the Washington Bullets anymore. Yeah. Yeah, 255 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: things are going to change. We've hit that time. It's 256 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: the same time, I believe with the Cleveland Indians. I 257 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: think I think it's time that that's going to happen. Now. 258 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: The Braves are they're kind of like, well, we haven't 259 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: thought of anything about that yet, But I think it's 260 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: all going to happen, especially for the Redskins. I mean, 261 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: the interesting thing to pick up on something you said, 262 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: Bar you know, Lynchy Michael mentioned money that was behind it. 263 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: Money is ultimately what's making this happen. I mean, the 264 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: the sponsors pulling out are saying that we're going to 265 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: pull out at least putting pressure on Dan Snyder. That's 266 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: this is economics, I think. I mean, not to be 267 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: too cynical, but and yes there's a cultural moment, and 268 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: yes there's political pressure, but there's been culture and political 269 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: pressure for a long time. Never have you had FedEx 270 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: and other big companies say we're not so sure about this. Yeah, 271 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: Pepsi's on board. Nike, he's on board. The franchise is 272 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: valued at three point four billion dollars, which is I 273 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: think the number six or number seven in the National 274 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: Football League money talks. UH and three minority owners right 275 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: now all want out. They wanted to us to divest 276 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: themselves of they owned of the Washington Redskins, and the 277 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: timing right now, this is sort of the perfect storm 278 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: in terms of a name change for the Washington Redskins 279 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: and for the Cleveland Indians as well. They've been the 280 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: Redskins since nineteen thirty three. The Indians have head their 281 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: Moniker since nineteen fifteen. But it's and I see, uh, 282 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: every every logical reason, sensitivity, financially that these names have 283 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: to change. I think it's inescapable. I agree with you. 284 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: So what do you so? I think that we all 285 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: agree about that. And I'm going to ask this question 286 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: as a long time Atlanta Braves fan, The Braves and 287 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: and bar you alluded to this. The Bravess have essentially said, 288 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: we're not really looking at changing it. We think it's 289 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: it basically honors Native Americans. Do you guys buy that? No? 290 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: The reason why is because you hear that chant in 291 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: the stands all the time, and that has been offensive 292 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: to Native Americans for a long time. They have said that. So, 293 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's one thing if you're gonna call 294 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: yourselves the Braves, okay, but then you're gonna do the 295 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: chant uh and and that's going to cause a problem. 296 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: And we're in a new era, We're we're gonna we 297 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: need to learn about each other's cultures and really sit 298 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: down and have a discussion about many things. And I 299 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: hope this will open a lot of eyes. What do 300 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: you think about the Braves, Lynchi, I think if the 301 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: Indians and Redskins change, I think the Braves have no 302 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: choice but to change as well. I don't see how 303 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: they can stand alone and stand apart and make a 304 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: legitimate case for the Braves versus the Indians. I mean 305 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: it's interesting. I mean I think back across my history 306 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: as a Braves fan, and I think I may have 307 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: mentioned this on this show before. I mean, there are 308 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: clearly things that you go back in history and you 309 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 1: just sort of wins. When you think about Chief Nakahoma 310 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: back in the nineteen eighties. I mean that was a 311 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: real thing, in the same way that Chief Wahoo was 312 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: a thing for the Indians and still pops up on 313 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: some merchandise here and there. I mean, obviously you've got 314 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: to that there's no you can't justify that like gone. 315 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see what the what the Braves do. 316 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: I tend to agree with you. I think it's probably inevitable. Um. 317 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: Of course, the chant that you reference bar was actually 318 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: lifted from the Florida State Seminoles. Of course, who who 319 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: popularized it, and you know, have the whole ritual at 320 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: the beginning of their football games where a guy dressed 321 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: as a Native American rides out on a horse and 322 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: throws a spear in the middle of the field and 323 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: all the the chanting happens. So it's an inflection point 324 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: for sure, and we'll see, uh, we'll see where this 325 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: all goes. Uh it's a heck of a time to 326 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: be a sports fan, even when there are no sports 327 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: being played. Guys, So I I you know, we'll see. 328 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: I've got it in this. Just really quick on. We 329 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: need a happy note that I laughed hard when this 330 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: story came out. I'm sure I won't be invited back 331 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: to the Blagio ever again, but I laughed very hard. 332 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: The Blagio they're taking sports bets because you know, Vegas 333 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: has reopened and uh so there they took bets on 334 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: Chinese and Korean baseball games and uh the they had 335 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: the wagers starting between one thirty am and three am 336 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: for the Blaggio. The problem is the game started around 337 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: one am and two am, so people were cleaning up 338 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: all over the place. One winners scored over a hundred 339 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: thirty seven thousand dollars because he was making bets that 340 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: they were betting on games that are have already been 341 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: played and and and then I mean, yes, it was 342 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: human error. And and the Vegas bookmakers, in fact, a 343 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: lot of them said, we can't we call the time 344 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: when we have taken a bigger loss when asked about this, uh, 345 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: and they're going to eat it. So listen. I stuff happens. 346 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: But anytime you can beat the house as a gambler, 347 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: I'm happy, exactly like it's with Robert Lifford and Paul Newman. 348 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: It's all right, check your watches boys. All right, Well, 349 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: that's a nice note to end on. You can catch 350 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: our podcast right here every Monday, Wednesday and Thursday. I'm 351 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: Jason Kelly. Catch me on Twitter at Jason Kelly News, 352 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: and I am Michael Barr. I'm at Big mar Sports 353 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: and I'm Mike Lynch. You can catch me at Lynch 354 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: e w CVB. 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