WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: Can you die of a broken heart? 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:04.400 Hey, this is Josh and I picked this episode of 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.800 s Y s K Selects just because I thought it 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:10.520 was a sweet one. Uh and maybe a lot of 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:13.000 you haven't listened to it yet. It was based on 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:16.880 an article written by our former colleague Christen Conger lately 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:19.520 of stuff Mom never told you, and it has it all. 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:24.279 It has quaint Japanese medical terms, suicide pacts among long 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:28.200 married couples, and a listener male about Australian national hero 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:31.960 Ned Kelly, plus the whole idea of dying from a 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:34.880 broken heart. It's just lousy with sweetness. So I hope 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:36.760 you enjoy it. If you've heard it before, I hope 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:41.000 you enjoy it again. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:49.760 from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.720 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:56.040 and this is Stuff you Should Know the podcast. That's right, 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:59.840 let's throw back Wednesdays. It is it did the cheeks 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.000 to day. Oh yeah, you did the first time in 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:06.720 a long time. Yeah, but that was for um a 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:10.119 take that was abandoned within ten seconds, so it doesn't count. Yeah, 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.480 a rare, aborted first take that just doesn't happen. No, 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:18.240 but you want to tell him why? My brain had 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:21.240 some sort of weird uh frizzle, I guess is the 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:22.720 only way to put it. I was trying to do 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.680 the intro and we're doing this episode can You Die 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:29.200 have a Broken Heart? And I realized what that Chuck 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.920 had just been singing? Where do broken Hearts go? And 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:33.720 I put two and two together as I was trying 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:35.679 to do the intro and screwed it up so bad. 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:37.760 But I sung it like five minutes ago. It was 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.800 a little weird to hit you that late, Like why 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.040 I was Chuck sing in Whitney Houston? Is that Whitney? 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.080 I think it is? Okay. If not, we'll find out 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:51.480 soon enough. Chuck. Yes, I've got a sad story for you. 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:57.360 Sad sweet, bitter sweet. I knew it complete? What is 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:02.320 that the band Billy Joel? Okay Uh's piano man? Come on, 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:06.760 sadness sweet? And I knew it complete when I never 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:11.200 realized that what he was saying was I knew it completely. Okay, Um, 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.519 I want to tell you about Dr Daniel and Kitty 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:19.320 Goot of Milwaukee. Either Goot or GOOTI g ut. Back 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:24.120 in two thousand ten, um. Their daughter, I believe, came 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:29.200 over and found um her parents, who were in their eighties, 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.800 um in their garage with a bunch of helium tanks 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:36.200 around him. Uh, with tubes coming from the helium tanks 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:39.320 going to plastic bags that the goots had over their head. 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:43.200 And they were dead helium tanks. Huh, helium instead of 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:47.799 just a car. Yeah. Interesting, um, And they had taken 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:52.080 their own lives. Uh. Dr goot Um was actually really 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:56.000 good health, but his wife had something called poly mayalgia 0:02:56.120 --> 0:03:00.840 rheumatica phr UM and she was so ring from dementia. 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.680 And the two had been um together for fifty three years, 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.840 and they decided that they were going to end their 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.880 lives together. They were spouses that they didn't want to 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:14.880 be a part. One didn't want to live on without 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:16.799 the other. So they thought they were close enough to 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.480 the end. I guess yeah, And uh, well she was 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.280 and he was in good health, but he didn't want 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:26.840 to live without her, apparently, so they took their lives together. Um. 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.480 And apparently this is something this articles from two thousand ten, 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.760 and this I don't want to call it a trend, 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.760 but it's a it's something that's become more prevalent in 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:41.760 recent years, especially among the elderly. The suicide aspect of it, Yeah, 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:45.480 basically what you would call a suicide pact among elderly 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.840 people who have been together for a long time, where um, 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.800 one is dying or one's health is taking a real 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:55.240 turn and they decided to go together rather than one 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:59.040 try to live on without the other. That's an example 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:06.080 of understanding exactly how a couple died together. There's another 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:11.400 more mysterious way that couples die virtually together. Um. And 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:13.880 it got a lot of press last year, and it's 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.880 something called broken heart syndrome. Yeah, there's this this idea, 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:21.360 This is the very romantic idea sure that if you 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:25.320 really love somebody and they die, you're gonna die of 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:31.960 a broken heart eventually afterwards. It's possible biologically medically speaking, 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:36.679 it makes almost no sense whatsoever. But there actually has 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:41.680 been some there's a it's very new this idea, um, 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.880 but there is some medical evidence to back up the 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:50.039 idea that that might be real. Yeah, And we say 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.600 broken heart in a figurative sense because we know that 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.320 the heart is the organ that pumps blood, So it 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:01.080 has nothing to do with love. But you're brain has 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.400 a lot to do with love. But and the brain 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:05.960 is tied to the whole rest of the body. Yes, 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:10.720 and the heart, which the brain suffering from a broken 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:14.320 heart in the figurative sense, can injure the heart in 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.080 the literal sense will find exactly okay. So the whole 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.640 anament there. I think it's time for a message break. 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.160 All right, So we are back where were we. There's 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.160 a woman named Dorothy Lee. In two thousand ten in 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:34.360 the Wall Street Journal did a story on her that 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.039 her husband of forty years died in a car accident 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:40.839 very suddenly, and she started getting chest pains. She thought 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:44.480 she's having a heart attack. And it turns out that 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:49.119 there is an actual condition. Very rarely does it actually 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:51.679 lead to death. Yeah, I think one to three percent 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.440 of the time. But there is a condition discovered in 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:59.200 Japan called broken heart syndrome or uh, you know what 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.719 you want to go ahead and your virtually half Japanese 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:06.520 taco subo cardio myopathy. Taco subo is a It's a 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.800 type of pot used to catch octopi, which are called 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:14.640 taco in um Japan, so fried octopi octopus balls are 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:18.240 called taco yaki, which are really delicious, and you will 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.440 eat them all the time until you get your hands 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.000 on ones from a vending machine that you shouldn't have 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.960 eaten because you've had enough taco yaki to last year 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:27.800 lifetime on this trip. And why did you have to 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:29.800 eat the ones out of the vending machine and now 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.720 you can't even look at a taco yaki ball again. Yeah, well, 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:34.880 Japan has those crazy vending machines though, with like all 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.960 kinds of stuff in there, right, including some bed taco 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:44.240 yaki okay um boy, that was a bonus pronunciation pronunciation 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:48.719 plus taco subo. Cardio myopathy, so that is broken heart syndrome, 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.840 and that is actually a real thing that they identified 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:54.600 among five patients in the nineties early nineties, and they 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.200 were looking at at a cluster of heart patients four 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:02.720 fifteen of them of heart attack victims, and only five 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:06.760 of these stood out and that they had no basically 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:08.720 no reason to have a heart attack. There were no 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:12.320 blocked arteries, there was nothing physical going on. They recovered 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:16.560 pretty quickly, way, way more quickly than everybody else. Yeah, 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.640 they've looked around a little closer. They were like, why 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.040 did these five people even have a heart attack? What 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:25.880 what happened, and what they found was possibly that it 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.360 was brought on by grief or stress. That's right. Their 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:34.840 left ventricles, specifically in this condition ballooned and that's why 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:40.000 it resembled the the what the taco subo? Yeah, the 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.160 octopus pot. I can say that it is like you're 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.960 saying that, um, it exerted pressure on the heart and 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:49.240 that you know, basically explained away why people thought they 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:50.880 were having a heart attack even though they wasn't. It's 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.760 not a heart attack at all. It's heart attack like though, well, yeah, 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.320 it's a fox heart attack and it can kill you 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.960 like a heart attack, but in a totally different way 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.960 than like a blocked artery or something like that. Exactly. 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.760 You know, Yeah, and this isn't there there's been evidence, 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:09.360 Uh who wrote this was his conger from stuff Mom 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:13.600 never told you. She points out that there's long been um, 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:19.240 both anecdotal evidence and empirical studies where the quote phenomenon 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:24.800 end quote of people just dying within like weeks of 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:27.920 their spouse or loved one dying has taken place and 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:31.800 it's it holds water. There's this study, um in I 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:37.880 believe either Finland or Sweden. I wish I knew man UM. 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.680 Where they found it was a study I think where 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.959 they they studied UM, I think a hundred and fifty 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:48.720 fin in Finland, a hundred and fifty eight thousand Finnish 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.920 couples were studied and they wanted to find out what 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:56.440 the mortality rate was after one couple died. And they 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:01.320 found that in the case of UM sudden unexpected death, 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.640 say like in a car accident or something like that, 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:08.280 both spouses of both sexes, widows and widowers UM had 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:12.240 a fifty percent chance of dying within the first week 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:16.280 after that event. So then they went through and they 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:20.960 found that UM, after that, if you're a man, you 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:24.600 have a thirty percent chance of dying UM, I think 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:27.040 within a year, and if you're a woman, you know 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:28.680 within six months, and if you're a woman you have 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:32.600 a twenty chance. But they found a direct correlation between 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.719 the death of a spouse, the sudden death of one 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:40.160 spouse to the death of another. Unexpected mortality, which is 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:44.520 an unpredictable mortality, like something you wouldn't expect, that's right. 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.240 They did another study in Scotland and Israel, which I 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.600 thought was kind of interesting, but I guess they wanted to, well, 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.280 there are two separate ones, I think with the same design. 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:55.679 I thought they just want to get a nice rang 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.400 right like that, though it darted a map UM. They 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.360 studied that sense of couples in that one and they 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.439 found that the risk of death was UH surges between 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.120 thirty and fifty in the first six months after a 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:10.559 loved one passes, not necessarily from unexpected but this period 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:13.440 and uh, I guess after that six months it drops 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:17.360 down back to a normal range. So just make it 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.200 through that six months and you might be okay. Yeah. 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.880 So they really looked at this like, okay, the Finns. 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:26.120 The Finns, UM, we're trying to figure out what was 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.040 behind this. And they found that there is a lot 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:32.400 of physical explanation. Like the second spouse, the surviving spouse, 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.000 UM was still it was in pretty bad health right 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.400 himself or herself. UM. They can chalk it up to 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:45.959 economic conditions where they aren't equipped to keep going on. UM. 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.880 Sometimes it's chalked out to a lack of a support network, 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.000 like they relied a lot on the other person and 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:56.240 now they don't have anyone and they just die UM 0:10:56.280 --> 0:11:01.640 as a result. But there's still this one weird idea 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:08.120 that just the loss, grief, shock, heartache if you will, 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:13.920 can and has, if not killed a surviving spouse at 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:15.880 the very least sent him to the hospital with this 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:21.720 UM taco subo cardio myopathy. Yeah. Uh yeah, they've they've 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:26.000 done UM. Well, everyone knows the brain is gonna react 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:32.440 to stress by sending rushes of cataclo mines for the 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.040 fight or flight reaction. We talked about it dozens of times. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.760 That's the one that starts the cascade exactly. Uh. And 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:41.079 they've but they've also done brain imaging studies and they 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:45.600 have found that UM, the pathways, the neuropathways during a 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.280 heartache that are stimulated after you've been broken up with 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.640 have you been dumped is are the same as when 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:55.160 you pick up like something hot and burn yourself, So 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.560 like a physical pain and an emotional pain or lighting 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.800 up the very same neurological pathways. I looked into the 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.880 study they had UM some healthy men and women put 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:07.280 them in the wonder machine UM and all all of 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:09.240 the people in the study have been broken up within 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:13.520 the last six months, and so they they applied some 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.880 sort of heat to their arm that was about the 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.000 same as holding a hot cup of coffee without like 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:24.480 a coffee clutch. Um, so what those are called? And 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:29.680 then uh, they then they showed them pictures of there 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.680 the person who had dumped them, and asked them to 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.080 go over some of their fonder memories with this person 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.800 and just basically like poked them where they just regular 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.040 pictures or like pictures of them making love to someone 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.280 near who knows what they did. It's a pretty mean 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.480 study design, but they like needled these people with these 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.560 these you know, memories of their lost loves. And they 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.760 found that the same neural pathway lights up, which I'd 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.240 like to see that study. Ye remember this guy? Yeah, 0:12:56.280 --> 0:13:00.160 and then they just started who's he with now? Is 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.600 like a he's like at a playground, like pushing his 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.520 new girlfriend and his swing right there on a teeter. Daughter. 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.800 Um but yeah, so but the fact that the same 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:12.920 neural pathways lit up doesn't mean that, you know, it 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:17.920 doesn't prove anything necessarily, but it's certainly it says something interesting, 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.959 you know. Uh So when they back to the cataclomnes 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.680 um adrenaline and nora adrenaline are released in such a 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:29.360 flood that it actually disables the muscles of the heart, 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:33.679 the muscular cells, and slows the heart down, um like, 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:35.800 physically slows it down to the point where you think 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.680 you're having a heart attack. Yes, and it doesn't just 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.920 have to be like heartbreak. I think that was it 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:44.439 New York Times that you sent me one lady. They 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.839 gave her a surprise party and she thought she was 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:48.600 having a heart attack. Yes, she ended up in the 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:53.320 e er. From this, this concept of um broken heart 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:57.400 syndrome tuckasubo cardio myopathy. And I'm not saying it's just 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.520 to show off here, you're The reason I'm saying is 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.640 because there is a real um lack of agreement in 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:09.160 the medical community whether taco subo cardio myopathy is broken 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.360 heart syndrome, that it is the result of grief for 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.240 a broken heart or something like that. And it does 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.400 make sense. They have found that, yes, adrenaline, a huge 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.200 flood of adrenaline brought on by stress, whether it is 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.360 the sudden loss of a loved one or surprise party, 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:28.280 a surprise party, being robbed um like at gunpoint, or 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:32.160 something like that. Any really stressful event could conceivably trigger 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.920 this UM. But there they don't know if like a 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.600 if a broken heart is doing it or if it 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:42.160 really actually exists, and and there's still this is it's 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.920 still very new, and there's a lack of consensus on it, 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.000 and the media obviously is going to play something like 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.480 this up because like us, Yeah, when you hear a 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.640 story about an old couple in one past. In fact, 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.480 I just read one last week. I just remember this. 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:58.800 I think that Emily sent it to me. This couple, 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.200 it was that old story. One of them passed away 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.040 and the other one died that was pretty healthy, about 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.520 a week later. And they were married for just some 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.800 ridiculous amount of time, like sixty something years. It's not 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:15.240 that that's ridiculous bad. Yeah, I've had animals that that's 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.360 happened to. When I was a kid, I had a 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:21.920 kitten that died and uh, the other one refused to 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.520 eat basically and was just lethargic and died not too 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:26.280 long after. I think you told me about that in 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:31.280 the Grief one. Yeah, and we didn't. Like now, we're 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:33.560 super into taking animals to the vet like at the 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.640 drop of a hat, But back then, growing up, it 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.520 was like, I'm not gonna disparage my parents, but it 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.000 was more country style. Yeah, like you get a cat 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:42.480 and you bring him and you throw him in the yard. 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.560 Treat mains with motor oil was kind of like that. 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.200 We didn't get a lot of vets. We didn't have 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:51.600 a lot of money for vets um, So anyway, it 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.960 could very well have been something treatable. Looking back, maybe 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.200 it's pretty sad. You got a heck of a story 0:15:58.240 --> 0:15:59.800 out of it, right, Yeah, But I think at the 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:01.360 very at least it it's sped it up. I think 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.040 I might have told you about our two dogs, one 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.560 of them that at heartworms. That's what any other one. 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:07.960 Soon after I remember dogs, not cats, But then I 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.480 just assumed I was confused. It happened twice, and I 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.720 told you in that Grief episode about the story of 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.400 the guy who died in the back of the car 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:19.880 on the way to his wife's funeral, and like we 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.920 were saying too, like there there is a demonstrable effect 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.800 of adrenaline on the heart, and they found there's this 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:31.000 John Hopkins study of broken heart syndrome UM, and they 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:35.600 found that the the patients in this study had two 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:40.480 to three times the level of adrenaline in their system 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:43.440 compared to people who are actually having heart attacks like 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.760 real heart attacks substantial and they had anywhere from seven 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:50.080 to thirty four times the normal levels of adrenaline in 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:54.400 their system with the balloon left ventricle. So there you 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:58.640 have it. Yeah, adrenaline definitely does affect the heart. Whether 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:00.960 or not the sudden loss of us spouse can trigger 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.200 that is what's up for debate. I think it can. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:06.479 I don't think they have to call it only broken 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:10.000 heart syndrome. Why can't they call it sometimes broken heart syndrome? 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.120 You know, I don't know why not. That's what I think. 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:17.560 So there's another part to this story, um, which is 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:22.600 our women more susceptible to this than men. Supposedly, it's 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:26.320 pretty rare. It affects between one and two um of 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:30.520 people who underwent diagnostic testing for their heart I think 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.679 this is the Johns Hopkins study, is it? But in 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:38.080 two thousand seven they found I'm sorry eighty nine of 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:42.720 the more than six thousand reported cases were females. Yes, 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.000 And in two thousand eleven the A M A I'm 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.600 sorry the a h A American Heart Association said women 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.280 over the age of fifty five or about three times 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:56.240 more likely to develop it. Than younger women. Taco subo 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.480 cardiomyopathy is what we're talking about to age and gender. 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:03.479 This is a recognized, legitimate medical condition. Again, what's up 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.280 for debate is whether or not I just want to 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.480 make sure we're not saying like the American Heart Associations 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.160 saying like, oh, yeah, there's all these cases of broken 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:14.840 heart syndrome. Well that's that's what conor. The point she 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:16.760 makes is that while you might think, like, oh, women 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:20.879 can't handle stress as much, it's not necessarily true. Um. No, No, 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.600 those numbers are true, and it is like, why do 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:28.840 women tend to develop subo cardio myopathy but not necessarily 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.720 more emotionally because of broken heart? Yeah? Because they found 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:37.080 out that widowers are more likely to die at than 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.960 a widow after their spouse was recently done ten percent 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.880 more likely. Remember, Yeah, so it turns out on its head. Yes, 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.919 so it's it could be it could have something to 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.399 do with um because older women are more likely to 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:50.439 develop it than younger women. So it could have to 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:55.639 do with the post menopausal levels of hormones. Um, women 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:59.600 might handle stress differently than men, or their hearts are 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:04.840 more are susceptible to interruption. From adrenaline. Who knows. But 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:07.120 it doesn't mean that it's because a woman can't take 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:12.439 a bereavement, is I think what Congress saying? Very sweet 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:17.000 stories though it's like the Titanic, the Titanic couple that 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.879 laid down together in the movie and just died in 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:23.359 the bed together. Wh Yeah, apparently that's true. Was the asters? 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:29.040 I don't know, but apparently it happened. Um on deck Um, 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.840 there was a real couple who just like that. They 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.639 were lasting, like just sitting in the deck chairs together, 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:40.280 holding hands like the goots, like the goots. Very sweet stuff. 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.800 It is very sweet, sweet and sad bittersweet. I think 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:48.199 they call that um you knew it complete. If you 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:51.080 want to learn more about broken heart syndrome a k a. 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:55.359 Taco Subo cardiomyopathy, I defy you to type that word 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.840 into the search bar at how stuff works dot com. 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.919 If you can, it will bring up this great article. 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:04.320 And since I said church bar, time for a listener mail. 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:08.919 Remember we did that podcast on Davy Crockett King to 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.040 the Wild Frontier, and we asked for people who have 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.480 their version of that in their own country. We heard 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.679 from a lot of people and we're gonna highlight Australia 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:20.480 because we like those people. Uh and they even lead 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:25.000 off with a good day Josh and Chuckers. They give 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.199 us what we want, proof that they're Australian. Um just 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:31.240 wanted to share with you guys some information about Australia's 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:37.520 national hero, Ned Kelly. Uh yeah, following the Great Davy 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:41.800 Crockett podcast. Perhaps the stems from our convict heritage, but 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:45.640 our national hero was a notorious criminal. A bush ranger, 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.639 that's what they called them. A bush rangers in another 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:50.919 word for a bandit. You think she said it's a 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:55.200 term for a runaway convict. Um, come horse thief, highwayman, 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.840 that's a bandit exactly. I want to be a highwayman? 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.480 Do you like Willie Nelson? Yeah? That was a great group. 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:08.320 Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, Johnny Cash, Chris Christofferson, Chris Christofferson 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:11.840 and Randy Newman. Right, and now who was the fourth 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:16.359 Randy Newson? Come on? That was way funny. No, it's funny. 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:18.399 I'm sorry, but I was so fixated on who the 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:21.840 fourth Highwayman was or was it just Chris Christofferson Johnny Cash. 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:24.320 Don't look, I'm not gonna look at that Willie Nelson 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:29.160 and uh, I want to say Orberson and jeff Lynn 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:32.400 has the forgotten Willbury, Um that he's a genius. Man 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.840 Yellow is great. It's just now starting to realize how good. 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:38.840 I saw a really good documentary on him. Yeah, it's 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.200 it's you can't watch it and not go. This guy 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:44.560 is a genius. Chris, how did you get Chris Christofferson? 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:47.640 If if you remember Chris Christofferson, the fourth one has 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:51.960 to be like mine. Whale and Jennings. Oh boom, walk 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:56.480 Tosh that's what they call him. Did you know that? No, 0:21:56.720 --> 0:22:00.040 walk Tosh, Whale and Jenny. His son is awesome, is 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:03.240 by the way Shooter? Yeah all right, that was a 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:08.320 nice little sidebar. He's married to Uh did you watch 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:15.320 the Sopranos? Uh? Yeah, Dre Demanteo the daughter Christopher's Christopher's girlfriend. No, 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:18.080 I didn't watch it like that. Yeah, she's married to 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:26.560 Shooter Jennings. Okay, where were highwaymen? Ned Kelly? After an 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:30.320 incident back in the late eighteen seventies, Ned Kelly killed thirteen, 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:33.840 I'm sorry, three policemen. He barricaded himself in his house 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:36.199 and made a suit of armor. In fact, that a 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:38.679 cardboard well sort of. In fact, it was so shoddy 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:40.520 that it looked more like a trash can turned upside 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.480 down on his head. In the final standoff at glenn Rowan, 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:45.600 which is the town of Victoria, the police shot at 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:48.600 him many times, leaving him very bruised inside of his 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:52.560 tin can. However, he actually survived the siege, only to 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:55.720 be caught and hanged in eighteen eighty, his final documented 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:59.359 words being such as life. While I'm sure we Australians 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:02.680 have a few other doable, honest heroes, Ned Kelly remains 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:07.320 the most identified, identifiable symbol for the underclass rising up 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:12.239 against an oppressive British governance. Despite his criminality, perhaps one 0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:13.720 day you can do in that Kelly show and his 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:18.439 tin can arnorom share the riveting, pun intended story with 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:22.480 the rest of your listeners with kind disregards, Michelle. And 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:24.960 There's been a bunch of movies on Ned Kelly, especially 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:29.040 Nate Kelly movie with Heath Ledger and then yeah he 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:32.480 was Ned Kelly in Orlando Bloom paid his little sidekick. 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:35.159 I think, Oh, but that's pretty good. I didn't see it. 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:37.679