1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Josh and I picked this episode of 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: s Y s K Selects just because I thought it 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: was a sweet one. Uh and maybe a lot of 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: you haven't listened to it yet. It was based on 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: an article written by our former colleague Christen Conger lately 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: of stuff Mom never told you, and it has it all. 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: It has quaint Japanese medical terms, suicide pacts among long 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: married couples, and a listener male about Australian national hero 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: Ned Kelly, plus the whole idea of dying from a 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: broken heart. It's just lousy with sweetness. So I hope 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: you enjoy it. If you've heard it before, I hope 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: you enjoy it again. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know 13 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to 14 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, 15 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: and this is Stuff you Should Know the podcast. That's right, 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: let's throw back Wednesdays. It is it did the cheeks 17 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: to day. Oh yeah, you did the first time in 18 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, but that was for um a 19 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: take that was abandoned within ten seconds, so it doesn't count. Yeah, 20 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: a rare, aborted first take that just doesn't happen. No, 21 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: but you want to tell him why? My brain had 22 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: some sort of weird uh frizzle, I guess is the 23 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: only way to put it. I was trying to do 24 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: the intro and we're doing this episode can You Die 25 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: have a Broken Heart? And I realized what that Chuck 26 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: had just been singing? Where do broken Hearts go? And 27 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: I put two and two together as I was trying 28 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: to do the intro and screwed it up so bad. 29 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: But I sung it like five minutes ago. It was 30 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: a little weird to hit you that late, Like why 31 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: I was Chuck sing in Whitney Houston? Is that Whitney? 32 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: I think it is? Okay. If not, we'll find out 33 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: soon enough. Chuck. Yes, I've got a sad story for you. 34 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: Sad sweet, bitter sweet. I knew it complete? What is 35 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: that the band Billy Joel? Okay Uh's piano man? Come on, 36 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: sadness sweet? And I knew it complete when I never 37 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: realized that what he was saying was I knew it completely. Okay, Um, 38 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: I want to tell you about Dr Daniel and Kitty 39 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: Goot of Milwaukee. Either Goot or GOOTI g ut. Back 40 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: in two thousand ten, um. Their daughter, I believe, came 41 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: over and found um her parents, who were in their eighties, 42 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: um in their garage with a bunch of helium tanks 43 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: around him. Uh, with tubes coming from the helium tanks 44 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: going to plastic bags that the goots had over their head. 45 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: And they were dead helium tanks. Huh, helium instead of 46 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: just a car. Yeah. Interesting, um, And they had taken 47 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: their own lives. Uh. Dr goot Um was actually really 48 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: good health, but his wife had something called poly mayalgia 49 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: rheumatica phr UM and she was so ring from dementia. 50 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: And the two had been um together for fifty three years, 51 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: and they decided that they were going to end their 52 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: lives together. They were spouses that they didn't want to 53 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: be a part. One didn't want to live on without 54 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: the other. So they thought they were close enough to 55 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: the end. I guess yeah, And uh, well she was 56 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: and he was in good health, but he didn't want 57 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: to live without her, apparently, so they took their lives together. Um. 58 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: And apparently this is something this articles from two thousand ten, 59 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: and this I don't want to call it a trend, 60 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: but it's a it's something that's become more prevalent in 61 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: recent years, especially among the elderly. The suicide aspect of it, Yeah, 62 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: basically what you would call a suicide pact among elderly 63 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: people who have been together for a long time, where um, 64 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: one is dying or one's health is taking a real 65 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: turn and they decided to go together rather than one 66 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: try to live on without the other. That's an example 67 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: of understanding exactly how a couple died together. There's another 68 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: more mysterious way that couples die virtually together. Um. And 69 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: it got a lot of press last year, and it's 70 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: something called broken heart syndrome. Yeah, there's this this idea, 71 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: This is the very romantic idea sure that if you 72 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: really love somebody and they die, you're gonna die of 73 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: a broken heart eventually afterwards. It's possible biologically medically speaking, 74 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 1: it makes almost no sense whatsoever. But there actually has 75 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: been some there's a it's very new this idea, um, 76 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: but there is some medical evidence to back up the 77 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: idea that that might be real. Yeah, And we say 78 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: broken heart in a figurative sense because we know that 79 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: the heart is the organ that pumps blood, So it 80 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with love. But you're brain has 81 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: a lot to do with love. But and the brain 82 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: is tied to the whole rest of the body. Yes, 83 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: and the heart, which the brain suffering from a broken 84 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: heart in the figurative sense, can injure the heart in 85 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: the literal sense will find exactly okay. So the whole 86 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: anament there. I think it's time for a message break. 87 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: All right, So we are back where were we. There's 88 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: a woman named Dorothy Lee. In two thousand ten in 89 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal did a story on her that 90 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: her husband of forty years died in a car accident 91 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: very suddenly, and she started getting chest pains. She thought 92 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: she's having a heart attack. And it turns out that 93 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,119 Speaker 1: there is an actual condition. Very rarely does it actually 94 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 1: lead to death. Yeah, I think one to three percent 95 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: of the time. But there is a condition discovered in 96 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: Japan called broken heart syndrome or uh, you know what 97 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: you want to go ahead and your virtually half Japanese 98 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: taco subo cardio myopathy. Taco subo is a It's a 99 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: type of pot used to catch octopi, which are called 100 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: taco in um Japan, so fried octopi octopus balls are 101 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: called taco yaki, which are really delicious, and you will 102 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: eat them all the time until you get your hands 103 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: on ones from a vending machine that you shouldn't have 104 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: eaten because you've had enough taco yaki to last year 105 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: lifetime on this trip. And why did you have to 106 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: eat the ones out of the vending machine and now 107 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: you can't even look at a taco yaki ball again. Yeah, well, 108 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: Japan has those crazy vending machines though, with like all 109 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: kinds of stuff in there, right, including some bed taco 110 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: yaki okay um boy, that was a bonus pronunciation pronunciation 111 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: plus taco subo. Cardio myopathy, so that is broken heart syndrome, 112 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: and that is actually a real thing that they identified 113 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: among five patients in the nineties early nineties, and they 114 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: were looking at at a cluster of heart patients four 115 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: fifteen of them of heart attack victims, and only five 116 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: of these stood out and that they had no basically 117 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: no reason to have a heart attack. There were no 118 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: blocked arteries, there was nothing physical going on. They recovered 119 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: pretty quickly, way, way more quickly than everybody else. Yeah, 120 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: they've looked around a little closer. They were like, why 121 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: did these five people even have a heart attack? What 122 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: what happened, and what they found was possibly that it 123 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: was brought on by grief or stress. That's right. Their 124 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: left ventricles, specifically in this condition ballooned and that's why 125 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: it resembled the the what the taco subo? Yeah, the 126 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: octopus pot. I can say that it is like you're 127 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: saying that, um, it exerted pressure on the heart and 128 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: that you know, basically explained away why people thought they 129 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: were having a heart attack even though they wasn't. It's 130 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: not a heart attack at all. It's heart attack like though, well, yeah, 131 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: it's a fox heart attack and it can kill you 132 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: like a heart attack, but in a totally different way 133 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: than like a blocked artery or something like that. Exactly. 134 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, and this isn't there there's been evidence, 135 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: Uh who wrote this was his conger from stuff Mom 136 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: never told you. She points out that there's long been um, 137 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: both anecdotal evidence and empirical studies where the quote phenomenon 138 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: end quote of people just dying within like weeks of 139 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: their spouse or loved one dying has taken place and 140 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: it's it holds water. There's this study, um in I 141 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: believe either Finland or Sweden. I wish I knew man UM. 142 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: Where they found it was a study I think where 143 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: they they studied UM, I think a hundred and fifty 144 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: fin in Finland, a hundred and fifty eight thousand Finnish 145 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: couples were studied and they wanted to find out what 146 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: the mortality rate was after one couple died. And they 147 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: found that in the case of UM sudden unexpected death, 148 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: say like in a car accident or something like that, 149 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: both spouses of both sexes, widows and widowers UM had 150 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: a fifty percent chance of dying within the first week 151 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: after that event. So then they went through and they 152 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: found that UM, after that, if you're a man, you 153 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: have a thirty percent chance of dying UM, I think 154 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: within a year, and if you're a woman, you know 155 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: within six months, and if you're a woman you have 156 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: a twenty chance. But they found a direct correlation between 157 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 1: the death of a spouse, the sudden death of one 158 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: spouse to the death of another. Unexpected mortality, which is 159 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: an unpredictable mortality, like something you wouldn't expect, that's right. 160 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: They did another study in Scotland and Israel, which I 161 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: thought was kind of interesting, but I guess they wanted to, well, 162 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: there are two separate ones, I think with the same design. 163 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: I thought they just want to get a nice rang 164 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: right like that, though it darted a map UM. They 165 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: studied that sense of couples in that one and they 166 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: found that the risk of death was UH surges between 167 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: thirty and fifty in the first six months after a 168 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: loved one passes, not necessarily from unexpected but this period 169 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: and uh, I guess after that six months it drops 170 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: down back to a normal range. So just make it 171 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: through that six months and you might be okay. Yeah. 172 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: So they really looked at this like, okay, the Finns. 173 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: The Finns, UM, we're trying to figure out what was 174 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: behind this. And they found that there is a lot 175 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: of physical explanation. Like the second spouse, the surviving spouse, 176 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: UM was still it was in pretty bad health right 177 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: himself or herself. UM. They can chalk it up to 178 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: economic conditions where they aren't equipped to keep going on. UM. 179 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's chalked out to a lack of a support network, 180 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: like they relied a lot on the other person and 181 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: now they don't have anyone and they just die UM 182 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: as a result. But there's still this one weird idea 183 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: that just the loss, grief, shock, heartache if you will, 184 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: can and has, if not killed a surviving spouse at 185 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: the very least sent him to the hospital with this 186 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: UM taco subo cardio myopathy. Yeah. Uh yeah, they've they've 187 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: done UM. Well, everyone knows the brain is gonna react 188 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: to stress by sending rushes of cataclo mines for the 189 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: fight or flight reaction. We talked about it dozens of times. 190 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: That's the one that starts the cascade exactly. Uh. And 191 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: they've but they've also done brain imaging studies and they 192 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: have found that UM, the pathways, the neuropathways during a 193 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: heartache that are stimulated after you've been broken up with 194 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: have you been dumped is are the same as when 195 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: you pick up like something hot and burn yourself, So 196 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: like a physical pain and an emotional pain or lighting 197 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: up the very same neurological pathways. I looked into the 198 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: study they had UM some healthy men and women put 199 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: them in the wonder machine UM and all all of 200 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: the people in the study have been broken up within 201 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: the last six months, and so they they applied some 202 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: sort of heat to their arm that was about the 203 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: same as holding a hot cup of coffee without like 204 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: a coffee clutch. Um, so what those are called? And 205 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: then uh, they then they showed them pictures of there 206 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: the person who had dumped them, and asked them to 207 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: go over some of their fonder memories with this person 208 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: and just basically like poked them where they just regular 209 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: pictures or like pictures of them making love to someone 210 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: near who knows what they did. It's a pretty mean 211 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: study design, but they like needled these people with these 212 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: these you know, memories of their lost loves. And they 213 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: found that the same neural pathway lights up, which I'd 214 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: like to see that study. Ye remember this guy? Yeah, 215 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: and then they just started who's he with now? Is 216 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: like a he's like at a playground, like pushing his 217 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: new girlfriend and his swing right there on a teeter. Daughter. 218 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: Um but yeah, so but the fact that the same 219 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: neural pathways lit up doesn't mean that, you know, it 220 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: doesn't prove anything necessarily, but it's certainly it says something interesting, 221 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: you know. Uh So when they back to the cataclomnes 222 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: um adrenaline and nora adrenaline are released in such a 223 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: flood that it actually disables the muscles of the heart, 224 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: the muscular cells, and slows the heart down, um like, 225 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: physically slows it down to the point where you think 226 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: you're having a heart attack. Yes, and it doesn't just 227 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: have to be like heartbreak. I think that was it 228 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: New York Times that you sent me one lady. They 229 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 1: gave her a surprise party and she thought she was 230 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: having a heart attack. Yes, she ended up in the 231 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: e er. From this, this concept of um broken heart 232 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: syndrome tuckasubo cardio myopathy. And I'm not saying it's just 233 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: to show off here, you're The reason I'm saying is 234 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: because there is a real um lack of agreement in 235 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: the medical community whether taco subo cardio myopathy is broken 236 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: heart syndrome, that it is the result of grief for 237 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: a broken heart or something like that. And it does 238 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: make sense. They have found that, yes, adrenaline, a huge 239 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: flood of adrenaline brought on by stress, whether it is 240 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: the sudden loss of a loved one or surprise party, 241 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: a surprise party, being robbed um like at gunpoint, or 242 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: something like that. Any really stressful event could conceivably trigger 243 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: this UM. But there they don't know if like a 244 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: if a broken heart is doing it or if it 245 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: really actually exists, and and there's still this is it's 246 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: still very new, and there's a lack of consensus on it, 247 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: and the media obviously is going to play something like 248 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: this up because like us, Yeah, when you hear a 249 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: story about an old couple in one past. In fact, 250 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: I just read one last week. I just remember this. 251 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: I think that Emily sent it to me. This couple, 252 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: it was that old story. One of them passed away 253 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: and the other one died that was pretty healthy, about 254 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: a week later. And they were married for just some 255 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: ridiculous amount of time, like sixty something years. It's not 256 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: that that's ridiculous bad. Yeah, I've had animals that that's 257 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: happened to. When I was a kid, I had a 258 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: kitten that died and uh, the other one refused to 259 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: eat basically and was just lethargic and died not too 260 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: long after. I think you told me about that in 261 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: the Grief one. Yeah, and we didn't. Like now, we're 262 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: super into taking animals to the vet like at the 263 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: drop of a hat, But back then, growing up, it 264 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: was like, I'm not gonna disparage my parents, but it 265 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: was more country style. Yeah, like you get a cat 266 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: and you bring him and you throw him in the yard. 267 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: Treat mains with motor oil was kind of like that. 268 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: We didn't get a lot of vets. We didn't have 269 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: a lot of money for vets um, So anyway, it 270 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: could very well have been something treatable. Looking back, maybe 271 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: it's pretty sad. You got a heck of a story 272 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: out of it, right, Yeah, But I think at the 273 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: very at least it it's sped it up. I think 274 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: I might have told you about our two dogs, one 275 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: of them that at heartworms. That's what any other one. 276 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: Soon after I remember dogs, not cats, But then I 277 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: just assumed I was confused. It happened twice, and I 278 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: told you in that Grief episode about the story of 279 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: the guy who died in the back of the car 280 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: on the way to his wife's funeral, and like we 281 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: were saying too, like there there is a demonstrable effect 282 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: of adrenaline on the heart, and they found there's this 283 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: John Hopkins study of broken heart syndrome UM, and they 284 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: found that the the patients in this study had two 285 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: to three times the level of adrenaline in their system 286 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: compared to people who are actually having heart attacks like 287 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: real heart attacks substantial and they had anywhere from seven 288 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: to thirty four times the normal levels of adrenaline in 289 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: their system with the balloon left ventricle. So there you 290 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: have it. Yeah, adrenaline definitely does affect the heart. Whether 291 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: or not the sudden loss of us spouse can trigger 292 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: that is what's up for debate. I think it can. 293 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,479 Speaker 1: I don't think they have to call it only broken 294 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: heart syndrome. Why can't they call it sometimes broken heart syndrome? 295 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know why not. That's what I think. 296 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: So there's another part to this story, um, which is 297 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: our women more susceptible to this than men. Supposedly, it's 298 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: pretty rare. It affects between one and two um of 299 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: people who underwent diagnostic testing for their heart I think 300 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: this is the Johns Hopkins study, is it? But in 301 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: two thousand seven they found I'm sorry eighty nine of 302 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: the more than six thousand reported cases were females. Yes, 303 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: And in two thousand eleven the A M A I'm 304 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: sorry the a h A American Heart Association said women 305 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: over the age of fifty five or about three times 306 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: more likely to develop it. Than younger women. Taco subo 307 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: cardiomyopathy is what we're talking about to age and gender. 308 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,479 Speaker 1: This is a recognized, legitimate medical condition. Again, what's up 309 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: for debate is whether or not I just want to 310 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: make sure we're not saying like the American Heart Associations 311 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: saying like, oh, yeah, there's all these cases of broken 312 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: heart syndrome. Well that's that's what conor. The point she 313 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: makes is that while you might think, like, oh, women 314 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: can't handle stress as much, it's not necessarily true. Um. No, No, 315 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: those numbers are true, and it is like, why do 316 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: women tend to develop subo cardio myopathy but not necessarily 317 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: more emotionally because of broken heart? Yeah? Because they found 318 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: out that widowers are more likely to die at than 319 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: a widow after their spouse was recently done ten percent 320 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: more likely. Remember, Yeah, so it turns out on its head. Yes, 321 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: so it's it could be it could have something to 322 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: do with um because older women are more likely to 323 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 1: develop it than younger women. So it could have to 324 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: do with the post menopausal levels of hormones. Um, women 325 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: might handle stress differently than men, or their hearts are 326 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: more are susceptible to interruption. From adrenaline. Who knows. But 327 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that it's because a woman can't take 328 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: a bereavement, is I think what Congress saying? Very sweet 329 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: stories though it's like the Titanic, the Titanic couple that 330 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: laid down together in the movie and just died in 331 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: the bed together. Wh Yeah, apparently that's true. Was the asters? 332 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, but apparently it happened. Um on deck Um, 333 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: there was a real couple who just like that. They 334 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: were lasting, like just sitting in the deck chairs together, 335 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: holding hands like the goots, like the goots. Very sweet stuff. 336 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: It is very sweet, sweet and sad bittersweet. I think 337 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: they call that um you knew it complete. If you 338 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: want to learn more about broken heart syndrome a k a. 339 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: Taco Subo cardiomyopathy, I defy you to type that word 340 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: into the search bar at how stuff works dot com. 341 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: If you can, it will bring up this great article. 342 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: And since I said church bar, time for a listener mail. 343 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: Remember we did that podcast on Davy Crockett King to 344 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: the Wild Frontier, and we asked for people who have 345 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: their version of that in their own country. We heard 346 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: from a lot of people and we're gonna highlight Australia 347 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: because we like those people. Uh and they even lead 348 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: off with a good day Josh and Chuckers. They give 349 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: us what we want, proof that they're Australian. Um just 350 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: wanted to share with you guys some information about Australia's 351 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: national hero, Ned Kelly. Uh yeah, following the Great Davy 352 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: Crockett podcast. Perhaps the stems from our convict heritage, but 353 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: our national hero was a notorious criminal. A bush ranger, 354 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: that's what they called them. A bush rangers in another 355 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: word for a bandit. You think she said it's a 356 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: term for a runaway convict. Um, come horse thief, highwayman, 357 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: that's a bandit exactly. I want to be a highwayman? 358 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: Do you like Willie Nelson? Yeah? That was a great group. 359 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, Johnny Cash, Chris Christofferson, Chris Christofferson 360 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: and Randy Newman. Right, and now who was the fourth 361 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: Randy Newson? Come on? That was way funny. No, it's funny. 362 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I was so fixated on who the 363 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: fourth Highwayman was or was it just Chris Christofferson Johnny Cash. 364 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: Don't look, I'm not gonna look at that Willie Nelson 365 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: and uh, I want to say Orberson and jeff Lynn 366 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: has the forgotten Willbury, Um that he's a genius. Man 367 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: Yellow is great. It's just now starting to realize how good. 368 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: I saw a really good documentary on him. Yeah, it's 369 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: it's you can't watch it and not go. This guy 370 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: is a genius. Chris, how did you get Chris Christofferson? 371 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: If if you remember Chris Christofferson, the fourth one has 372 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: to be like mine. Whale and Jennings. Oh boom, walk 373 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: Tosh that's what they call him. Did you know that? No, 374 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: walk Tosh, Whale and Jenny. His son is awesome, is 375 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: by the way Shooter? Yeah all right, that was a 376 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: nice little sidebar. He's married to Uh did you watch 377 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: the Sopranos? Uh? Yeah, Dre Demanteo the daughter Christopher's Christopher's girlfriend. No, 378 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: I didn't watch it like that. Yeah, she's married to 379 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: Shooter Jennings. Okay, where were highwaymen? Ned Kelly? After an 380 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: incident back in the late eighteen seventies, Ned Kelly killed thirteen, 381 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, three policemen. He barricaded himself in his house 382 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: and made a suit of armor. In fact, that a 383 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: cardboard well sort of. In fact, it was so shoddy 384 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: that it looked more like a trash can turned upside 385 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: down on his head. In the final standoff at glenn Rowan, 386 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: which is the town of Victoria, the police shot at 387 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: him many times, leaving him very bruised inside of his 388 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: tin can. However, he actually survived the siege, only to 389 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: be caught and hanged in eighteen eighty, his final documented 390 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: words being such as life. While I'm sure we Australians 391 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: have a few other doable, honest heroes, Ned Kelly remains 392 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: the most identified, identifiable symbol for the underclass rising up 393 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,239 Speaker 1: against an oppressive British governance. Despite his criminality, perhaps one 394 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: day you can do in that Kelly show and his 395 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: tin can arnorom share the riveting, pun intended story with 396 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: the rest of your listeners with kind disregards, Michelle. And 397 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: There's been a bunch of movies on Ned Kelly, especially 398 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: Nate Kelly movie with Heath Ledger and then yeah he 399 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: was Ned Kelly in Orlando Bloom paid his little sidekick. 400 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: I think, Oh, but that's pretty good. I didn't see it. 401 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: There are a couple of top notch actors and Mick 402 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: Jagger played him in the nineteen Yeah weird. Not a 403 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: top notch a I can imagine. And apparently there's been 404 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: like eight or nine other like Australian only movies about him. 405 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: So he's right up there with the crocodile. Dundee. I 406 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: think that's the national hero from what I understand, that's 407 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: a nice yeah, like I knew what he was doing. 408 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: He understood life. Paul Cogan, Paul Hogan. Yeah, no, crack 409 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 1: it out, Undie. Paul Hogan still around right? Remember is 410 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: the one where he played an angel with Cuba Gooding Jr. 411 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: Angels in the Outfield? No, that's Gary Coleman Hiway to Heaven. No, 412 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: that's Michael Landon. I don't know. I don't remember what 413 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: it was called either, but he played the Australian Angel. 414 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: He played like a B and E guardian angel, like 415 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: like just a thief who died and was sent back 416 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: to be to be a guardian angel for good jor 417 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: I believe it was him. Interesting, show me the money. Well, 418 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: let's let's end this show. I'm gonna keep going. People 419 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: are like, wow, a podcast three hours long on Broken Heart. 420 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: It all begins with Ned Kelly uh. If you want 421 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: to tell us about anything, you're like, yeah, how about it? 422 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: Like a nice sweet story about either pets or people 423 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: passing together. That's a good one, hand in hand or 424 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: Paul and Paul. Yeah. Um, if you want to do that, 425 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: we want to hear it. You can tweet to us 426 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: at s y ESK podcast. You can join us on 427 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: Facebook dot com, slash Stuff you Should Know. You can 428 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: send us an email to Stuff Podcast at Discovery dot com, 429 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: and you can join us at our home on the web, 430 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know dot com. 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