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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, December fifth, twenty seventeen, Season thirteen, episode
Speaker 1: number eighty four. Welcome to another edition of The Break,
Speaker 1: live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you guys take it some time with us.
Speaker 1: I know it's been a while since we've been on
Speaker 1: the air together. We've been on in mixed groups, but
Speaker 1: we're back in the studio. How's everybody feeling this morning? Awesome? Awesome,
Speaker 1: so good, greatness, good good. All right, let's talk some
Speaker 1: Cowboys football. We're gonna do a couple of things today.
Speaker 1: I first want to talk a little bit about the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and the playoffs. I know on our joint show
Speaker 1: yesterday we talked a little bit about that, but I
Speaker 1: want to nail you guys down on some specifics about
Speaker 1: the teams that are ahead of the Cowboys right now
Speaker 1: and looking at what they've got coming up and what
Speaker 1: they have to do in order for the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: be able to even winning out, because I think that's
Speaker 1: the first part that has to happen. But with that happening,
Speaker 1: what the realistic likelihood is in each of your opinions
Speaker 1: that these other teams will do the things that they
Speaker 1: have to do in order for the Cowboys to jump
Speaker 1: past them. And we'll do that. But before we get
Speaker 1: to that, I did want to talk a little bit
Speaker 1: first about an injury concern Orlando Scandric. What do we
Speaker 1: know at this point about Orlando's injury and what his
Speaker 1: possibilities are as far as time that he may miss. Well,
Speaker 1: they're just gonna take it day by day with him,
Speaker 1: sounds right. And transfer transverse process and the same thing
Speaker 1: as romo Yes, yeah, okay, So it's amazing the stuff
Speaker 1: you learn about injuries because of football. You're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're transversal process. I know I've heard that before. Sure,
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you, couldn't tell you really where it
Speaker 1: is or what it looks like, but I know it's
Speaker 1: the romo bone. And you are the offspring of a
Speaker 1: doctor it's true, so you should know those things, right,
Speaker 1: he's a kind ecologist. I mean, yeah, not the same,
Speaker 1: not the same at all. Yeah, yeah, that um. But
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett made it sound yesterday like they're not ruling
Speaker 1: him out at all. Really, I mean, take that for
Speaker 1: what it's worth. I mean, Jason Garrett wouldn't rule a
Speaker 1: guy out if he was missing a limb. But you know,
Speaker 1: Romo missed one game in twenty fourteen with the same injury,
Speaker 1: so and you know, Garrett also kind of allowed that
Speaker 1: it depends on the position. I mean, cornerback. You're not
Speaker 1: necessarily taking shots to your back, So I'd be I'd
Speaker 1: be kind of surprised if he plays this week, right,
Speaker 1: I would be surprised. But at the same time, you
Speaker 1: never know what Scandrick. I mean, sometimes it sounds like
Speaker 1: he's you know, it's really like the worst thing, and
Speaker 1: then he comes back and he'll play and can't tell
Speaker 1: from really how he's making it out to be. So
Speaker 1: I think he I mean I think he might play.
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, I don't. We'll find out. And what what
Speaker 1: recourse do they have on the roster? Do they have
Speaker 1: any corners on practice squad? I mean, I guess they don't.
Speaker 1: They could just make him inactive because I was gonna
Speaker 1: have been Wickery has been inactive. They've been making do
Speaker 1: without cheeto for a month at this point, so they
Speaker 1: could just use ben A if they wanted to, if
Speaker 1: they I think he's gonna play though, honestly, that would
Speaker 1: be amazing to me, just I mean, I you know,
Speaker 1: like we just said, Roma only missed a week. It's
Speaker 1: not it's not the be all end all of injuries.
Speaker 1: But you still have a cracked, slash broken bone in
Speaker 1: your back and he is getting I guess. On the
Speaker 1: on the positive side, it is a ten day break,
Speaker 1: so it's like a week and a half until their
Speaker 1: next game, right, so so maybe that factors in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a difference for them to be ready to play.
Speaker 1: But can we just stop and kind of marvel at
Speaker 1: that for a second, Like that you have a broken
Speaker 1: got like a three day break, so like maybe he
Speaker 1: can play with this broken bone in his back, Like
Speaker 1: that's insane. It is I that's football. I would sit
Speaker 1: this week out if it were me. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, they are playing the Giants, So what are
Speaker 1: you trying to say? I'm just saying and it's sort
Speaker 1: of like a bye weekend. Wow, damn, don't say that,
Speaker 1: because that that and then that makes me really nervous, like,
Speaker 1: oh god, that's that's. I hate when that happens, Like
Speaker 1: when you're just like, oh, it's just whoever in college football,
Speaker 1: when your team plays a seller dweller. In college football,
Speaker 1: you're like, great, yeah, we can get the starters out early,
Speaker 1: like this will be an easy week. In the NFL,
Speaker 1: you're just like, ah, such things I don't want unless
Speaker 1: it's Cleveland. Cleveland officially is there be s Because the
Speaker 1: Cowboys played the Browns last year and I believe they
Speaker 1: were winless, and around this building heading into that game,
Speaker 1: everybody was terrified, not me, maybe not I remember. I
Speaker 1: actually remember. I remember brought us being scared of that
Speaker 1: and I was like, they will kick their ass by
Speaker 1: twenty one point, and he was worse than that. It
Speaker 1: was twenty five. They were bad. I mean, they're just bad.
Speaker 1: But the problem is the Cowboys were a good team
Speaker 1: playing a bad team. Now the Cowboys are an average
Speaker 1: team at best right playing without Zeke, I think they're
Speaker 1: an average team at best playing a bad team, a
Speaker 1: bad team playing a division rival. That's the fired team. Wow,
Speaker 1: what happens when you fire your coach and you go
Speaker 1: to the Meadowlands? You play four fifteen? Actually one, it's
Speaker 1: one o'clock this time. I understand it's one pm, but
Speaker 1: you know, the new version the Giant, the Giants version
Speaker 1: maybe is gonna be they're trying to one o'clock My
Speaker 1: life stadium. Yeah, all right, Um, one other thing, you
Speaker 1: guys can catch me up on Sean Lee. What's he
Speaker 1: looking like for this week? Like he's gonna play good
Speaker 1: to go perfect? I mean, they're gonna there's always more
Speaker 1: to it than that. I'm sure they're gonna ease him in.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if he's limited to start the
Speaker 1: week out. He talked to him at the hospital visits.
Speaker 1: I did how many questions before you got to that?
Speaker 1: Actually we started with that. It was it was you
Speaker 1: good to go blah blah blah playing the Giants? What
Speaker 1: will it be like without Eli? This was at like
Speaker 1: nine thirty in the morning. We didn't know Eli was
Speaker 1: back in the lineup at the time. He's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we actually had another coach. Yeah, it'll be it'll be
Speaker 1: kind of weird not playing against him. He's the only
Speaker 1: Giants quarterback I've ever played against. Two hours later he's
Speaker 1: starting again. Um no. But we started with the injury
Speaker 1: stuff and then we are like, all right, what is
Speaker 1: the hospital visit? Oh yeah, just kind of it goes
Speaker 1: the other way around. Usually you try to they were
Speaker 1: beating around the bush, but we try to ease into
Speaker 1: it with some polite questions. But with Sean we were
Speaker 1: just like, you're playing, what's going on here? And he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm good, good to go? Well, yeah, okay. Thirty seconds
Speaker 1: with Dak Prescott so and it was hospital visits. Why
Speaker 1: does your hand look all puffy like that? Saying yeah,
Speaker 1: his hand is very swollen, doesn't look good. But he says, oh,
Speaker 1: I signed autographs and I've you know, shook hands all day.
Speaker 1: I'm fine. I think he's gonna be funny. He's there's
Speaker 1: nothing he can do. It's just kind of it'll just
Speaker 1: go down. If it's not broken, then you just wonder
Speaker 1: about the grip of it. But he always plays well
Speaker 1: at the Metal Lands. So all right, let's let's move
Speaker 1: into this playoff talk. And I know sometimes people get
Speaker 1: a little I know Nate was not very happy with
Speaker 1: playoff talk yesterday. Of course he wasn't, but but I
Speaker 1: do think it's worth talking about because, to be honest
Speaker 1: with I think fans care about it because fans are
Speaker 1: looking at this thing and saying, you know, basically, until
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are out of it, they want to know
Speaker 1: what are the possibilities that they can squeak into the tournament,
Speaker 1: because that's the object, Like, if you can squeak in,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how you get there. If you can
Speaker 1: get in, then you never know what happened. But I
Speaker 1: can understand why Nate's frustrated by it. But at this stage,
Speaker 1: because even though we're in December, there's still four games
Speaker 1: to go, and there's nothing that any of these other
Speaker 1: teams will do. It doesn't matter if the Cowboys don't
Speaker 1: take care of their So that's like they have to.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I believe if they went out,
Speaker 1: they're in the playoffs. Okay, well that's where we're going.
Speaker 1: They're going to be in the playoffs because right now,
Speaker 1: when you look at it, it's it's a pretty daunting
Speaker 1: task when you look at where they sit and what
Speaker 1: that what has to happen. Let me run this down
Speaker 1: for you and then I want to go team by team,
Speaker 1: and I want you guys to tell me how likely
Speaker 1: it is in your opinion that these teams do what
Speaker 1: they need to do in order to help the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, let's just remember that the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: gonna go four and oh they have five in this scenario,
Speaker 1: daunting and all this stuff like the league's about to
Speaker 1: be flipped upside down anyways, so somebody's gonna fall on
Speaker 1: its head too. I hear what you're saying. I'm saying
Speaker 1: under this scenario, we are assuming that the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: gonna go They're gonna win all the rest of their games,
Speaker 1: right craziness. And then if that happens, these other things
Speaker 1: have to happen, then they have at any other point
Speaker 1: this season. Yeah right, all right, that's a big assumption,
Speaker 1: but that's what we're gonna assume for a second. It's
Speaker 1: fine just to have this conversation, all right, whoa, Hey,
Speaker 1: they only need to go to and oh before before
Speaker 1: Zeke comes back the Christmas present comes back. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I'll just take Zeca. Is he gonna be playing running
Speaker 1: back or three technique? Wow? I don't know, that's a
Speaker 1: super duper size. I think he could be pretty good, though.
Speaker 1: Nobody's got faith in my guy to show up in shape.
Speaker 1: Huh Like I don't know or is he no idea?
Speaker 1: But I bet he's pissed right now. He's been tweeting
Speaker 1: the Battlehouse State. That's good, so he's watching it one
Speaker 1: time right now. He's too fat. I think I just
Speaker 1: missed those press conferences. I think you do too. He's
Speaker 1: pissed off and he should be. He's gonna show up
Speaker 1: and wonder who that was about? Roy? I was thinking
Speaker 1: Roy could have been Marcus Spears. He called Marcus Spears
Speaker 1: Fats Domino. You know I saw last night this is
Speaker 1: off the subject Colston Weatherington, the old name from back
Speaker 1: in the day. Nick probably yeah, see it called him
Speaker 1: big Sea. Yeah, I'll tell you what that two thousand
Speaker 1: and one Look the part two thousand and one draft
Speaker 1: was one of the best arena league draft in the NFL. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where's brought us? Get him in? He'll get My favorite
Speaker 1: thing for y'all that are listening, one of the best
Speaker 1: things that happened at our job is when Nick starts
Speaker 1: recounting the old Cowboys draft, how bad they were that
Speaker 1: brought us had a hand in and brought us is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we saw. He says, the same thing. You were put
Speaker 1: on this earth to remember all the bad drafts we have.
Speaker 1: So I was out of a job right way to go.
Speaker 1: It never gets old. And the thing about it is
Speaker 1: he takes a beating for it, but he was on
Speaker 1: the pro side of it for most of the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, but you know him, he's the same guy.
Speaker 1: So he's gonna be like, hey, we all had a party.
Speaker 1: It falls on the sword. But but every time Brian
Speaker 1: brought us has ever run into Dave Campo, he apologizes
Speaker 1: to him, and I've heard it's kind of uncomfortable because
Speaker 1: Dave doesn't really know what to say. It's fine, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean literally, Brian was a part of one of
Speaker 1: the best free agent pickups they've ever had ever, Leroy Glover.
Speaker 1: That was is one of the best signings ever and
Speaker 1: I think he was had a big part of that.
Speaker 1: He did, so he'll tell you all about it. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you about it. But he also will he takes it.
Speaker 1: He takes he'll take it. He'll take it, all right.
Speaker 1: So here's we're gonna do. We're gonna go through this
Speaker 1: list of teams and I want to I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: from the bottom. I'm gonna start with the teams that
Speaker 1: are closest to the Cowboys. Right now, there are six
Speaker 1: teams that are right now either positioned as high as
Speaker 1: wildcard teams right now all the way down to teams
Speaker 1: that are vying for the wild card, and there are
Speaker 1: six of them ahead of the Cowboys right now. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry on two three, there are five of them ahead
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys right now. So basically, you've got six
Speaker 1: teams that are battling for two wildcard spots. Does that
Speaker 1: make sense? Yes, So let's start from the bottom ahead
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys. Five of them ahead of the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: right yep. So let's start from the bottom at the
Speaker 1: ones closest to the Cowboys, and I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: they need to do. I'll tell you what their schedule
Speaker 1: looks like, and I want you to tell me how
Speaker 1: realistic it is that they're gonna do that. Right The
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers right now are six and six. They're
Speaker 1: playing this weekend at Cleveland, and then next week they
Speaker 1: get Rogers back and they have to play at Carolina,
Speaker 1: at Minnesota, at Detroit. The Cowboys need them if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys went out. The Cowboys need them to lose only once.
Speaker 1: How realistic is the Green Bay Packers lose once? They
Speaker 1: better lose to the Browns this weekend. Man, I'm telling
Speaker 1: you if they do, if they find a way past
Speaker 1: the Browns, I'm putting them in the playoffs. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? It's hard to bet against him.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got other than the fact they're playing
Speaker 1: at Minnesota. Minnesota is playing out of its mind. I
Speaker 1: don't care, like I'm sorry again, and people give me
Speaker 1: crap about it. I love Aaron Rodgers too much, I
Speaker 1: get it, but he's the man, and Minnesota's the team
Speaker 1: that hurt him, and like he's gonna be so pissed
Speaker 1: off to play that game. I think, yeah, if he
Speaker 1: gets back and they're seven, So if they're seven and
Speaker 1: six and he comes back, they're going three, No, like
Speaker 1: I would bet on it. So they're not gonna They're
Speaker 1: gonna be one of the playoff teams. So now you're
Speaker 1: down to five teams battling for one spot. That I mean,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, I get nixt point that if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys really get on a role like some other some
Speaker 1: other breaks will fall their way, and like some teams
Speaker 1: have to lose. There's a lot of divisional games coming up,
Speaker 1: but like a lot of stuff has to go their
Speaker 1: way over these I mean, even if they went out,
Speaker 1: they still need some help. Like their percentage of making
Speaker 1: the playoffs only at like seven or eight. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they need they need a lot of help. That's what
Speaker 1: we're going through right now. A lot of help. Amber Well,
Speaker 1: I mean according to you guys that they're no, no
Speaker 1: team is gonna lose against the Browns, so they need
Speaker 1: I mean no, that would be the most NFL thing ever.
Speaker 1: Is like everybody's like, if they beat the Browns, Rogers
Speaker 1: comes back, they're going and then and they look past them,
Speaker 1: They look past them thinking just got one more game
Speaker 1: to get through. They're playing at Cleveland. That would be
Speaker 1: Nick's like I think, I mean, seriously, why wouldn't Cleveland
Speaker 1: Still hasn't won, have they? No, that's the kind of
Speaker 1: game that a windless team wins. I imagine Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: walking through that locker room, like after they lose to
Speaker 1: the Browns, He's just like really, like, y'all are pitiful,
Speaker 1: Like you can't help me out, You can't beat the
Speaker 1: Browns and help like, help me, help you get get
Speaker 1: me a seven and six record so I can get
Speaker 1: us to the playoffs. And you can't even do that.
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll go three and now with him,
Speaker 1: He don't. Don't they'll lose one. You think they'll lose one, Yamber,
Speaker 1: you think I don't think he'll be he can't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hard to bet against him, but there must be
Speaker 1: a loss right in there like him. But the bone
Speaker 1: is the bone, right, I mean, it wants the bones heel,
Speaker 1: the bones healed. I tell that to Tony Row. We
Speaker 1: have we I think we are all pretty experienced and covering. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the broken collarbone injury, and I mean we haven't really
Speaker 1: ever seen anybody come back from it, and it'll be
Speaker 1: pretty early if he comes back, so well, I think
Speaker 1: so it's gonna end up being like eight weeks. Wasn't it?
Speaker 1: Wasn't it a collar bone that he came back from
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen and he he put the he put
Speaker 1: the Packers in the playoffs with the last second one
Speaker 1: against the Was that a collar bone? I thought it was? No,
Speaker 1: I don't remember, but oh, you know what, that's not true,
Speaker 1: I said. He hadn't come back. Romo came back from it,
Speaker 1: but he didn't look great. No, that's true. I mean
Speaker 1: it took a while for him to get going and
Speaker 1: then he and he reinjured it. So I'm just not
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't think Superman is coming back this year.
Speaker 1: I think he'll come back and he'll help him. He'll
Speaker 1: probably be better than the other guy, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it'll be he'll be good enough. I think
Speaker 1: that Rogers return is gonna help the Cowboys because he's
Speaker 1: gonna beat some of those teams. Welcome. It's at Caroline,
Speaker 1: it's at Minnesota, and it's at Detroit. Which Detroit's gonna
Speaker 1: be the next team we talk about? Um they right now.
Speaker 1: They finished the season with four straight road games. No, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, Green. Minnesota's got to be at home Minnesota. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where he No, Minnesota's home. He got hurt. He
Speaker 1: got hurt at matt Minnesota, so that that game will
Speaker 1: be at home, probably at Cleveland, and then home against
Speaker 1: um who will say Carom against Minnesota at Carol. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's it. I don't know, it doesn't matter all right,
Speaker 1: But Dave, you're the only one saying that right now
Speaker 1: that Rogers that that they win down the show. You
Speaker 1: think they went all for their remaining games. I'm not
Speaker 1: betting against my guy. If they lose, then it'll be
Speaker 1: at the Browns this weekend. All right, let's turn to Detroit.
Speaker 1: Detroit is also six and six, and they have they
Speaker 1: need to lose one game for the Cowboys to move
Speaker 1: ahead of them. They're playing at Tampa Bay, They're playing
Speaker 1: Chicago at Cincinnati, and then they finished the season against
Speaker 1: Green Bay. None of those teams other than Green Bay
Speaker 1: seems like a really certainly not great teams. None of
Speaker 1: them probably are going to be in playoff contention. However,
Speaker 1: Detroit's not playing great right now themselves. Can I do
Speaker 1: my best Eatmon impression? Yeah, it's the Lions, Like, why
Speaker 1: why are we talking about They're gonna go They're gonna
Speaker 1: go eight and eight or seven and nine. Okay, they
Speaker 1: are the quintessential can't keep it together. Vikings are gonna
Speaker 1: beat the Packers again, and the Packers are gonna beat
Speaker 1: the Lions, so both of them. Last year was the
Speaker 1: first time the Lions have ever kept it together long
Speaker 1: enough to make the playoffs, right, like they started six
Speaker 1: and two, and I think they finished nine and seven,
Speaker 1: Like they didn't even finish that strong, and they eked
Speaker 1: in and they lost by like thirty points to the
Speaker 1: Seahawks in the playoffs, so like even when they get there,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, Like they're not making the playoffs, all right,
Speaker 1: Let's move on to Atlanta. Atlanta right now seven and five,
Speaker 1: they're game ahead of the Cowboys, but they also have
Speaker 1: a tie break because they beat them head to head,
Speaker 1: which means that the Cowboys really need them to lose
Speaker 1: twice or at least a game and a half in
Speaker 1: order for the Cowboys to be ahead of them. They
Speaker 1: have down the stretch, they play New Orleans at New
Speaker 1: Orleans and at home, so they play New Orleans twice.
Speaker 1: They're sandwiched in between those games is a road trip
Speaker 1: to Tampa Bay and then they finished the season against Carolina.
Speaker 1: Do they lose two of those final four need to
Speaker 1: be big Saints fans for the next month, And could
Speaker 1: you kind of want the Saints at this point to
Speaker 1: push ahead, just keep winning, right, I mean with the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, with the Eagles losing on Sunday night, the
Speaker 1: Saints are in play for a buy now too, so
Speaker 1: I would imagine they're going to be pretty motivated. So yeah,
Speaker 1: the Eagle game was was like a double way. I
Speaker 1: mean for sure because now I did Seattle win, But
Speaker 1: I don't see any way Philadelphia has nothing to play
Speaker 1: for it the last game of the season. If even
Speaker 1: if it's just to to get home fill advantage advantage,
Speaker 1: or they may be sitting in the number two spots,
Speaker 1: they don't want to fall to three. I mean, the
Speaker 1: way the Vikings are playing, the way the Saints are playing,
Speaker 1: that game's gonna mean something. Even if it's one and two,
Speaker 1: gonna have a buy and you got a big battle
Speaker 1: and for that top spot for the where the championship
Speaker 1: game will be, it's worth playing. So you're saying we
Speaker 1: could still get flexed. Oh yeah, I thought about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a likely if the I'll say this,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys get on this winning streak and they
Speaker 1: have one up until that point and Philly has something
Speaker 1: to play off play for, you best believe that game's
Speaker 1: gonna get There would be nothing like greater in the
Speaker 1: world than to just be sitting like on a plane,
Speaker 1: just eating like a like a cheese and Packers and
Speaker 1: be like, hey, we happened New Year? Ye okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: I gotta like this you too? Oh that would be miserable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: first world problems. Although although if they actually win the
Speaker 1: game and they're in the playoffs, does that change it
Speaker 1: a little bit? That that blame would be pretty pretty lit.
Speaker 1: Just gonna say one thing that you got to remember
Speaker 1: here is, yeah, Falcons, Packers, those those teams have a
Speaker 1: tie break. I get it. But if it comes down
Speaker 1: to let's say that Seattle loses a game and you
Speaker 1: beat you have to beat Seattle. So now you're tied
Speaker 1: with Seattle and you're tied with Atlanta. You know it
Speaker 1: happened to the Cowboys a few years ago, Like why
Speaker 1: were the Cowboys having to play Green Bay? They beat Seattle?
Speaker 1: Why did Seattle get him? Because when you get into
Speaker 1: a three way tie, head to head isn't always doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter, so you and that's also the thing when
Speaker 1: you start talking about the NFC South, if there are
Speaker 1: two teams in NFC South that are part of that tie,
Speaker 1: then they have to kind of figure out between the
Speaker 1: two of them first who is the one that's ahead,
Speaker 1: and then you do the tie break with them and
Speaker 1: the other team. Right, So that also will help if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are in there and they'll say it's Atlanta
Speaker 1: and Carolina that they're tied with. If Carolina has the
Speaker 1: tie break over Atlanta sure like as a division, then
Speaker 1: that means that the Cowboys would then only be have
Speaker 1: tie breaks against Carolina. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, the
Speaker 1: NFC record is not great either, but it will be.
Speaker 1: It'll get better if they went down. Not only record
Speaker 1: that there's that's any good right now? Is division? That's
Speaker 1: yes about it? It's nothing so people hearing I keep
Speaker 1: hearing people talk about that, and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: even know why that's relevant. It isn't if you're if
Speaker 1: I mean at all. I mean, it doesn't. There's no
Speaker 1: tiebreaker that that goes to that, right, I think not
Speaker 1: unless you're not unless you're in again one of those
Speaker 1: tie breaks scenarios and it's another team from your division.
Speaker 1: Right Yeah, guys, Yeah, the Cowboys went out and the
Speaker 1: Eagles lose out. Let's get really crazy division champs. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take our final break when we come back. We
Speaker 1: do still need to talk first break, where what are
Speaker 1: you doing? I'm sorry, Yes, let's take our first break.
Speaker 1: There you go, I'm a little bit off. It's okay.
Speaker 1: Let's take our first break and we finish our first break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back when you talk still about Carolina and Seattle.
Speaker 1: That when we come right back. This is Dallas Cowboys
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Speaker 1: At the start, we're talking about playoffs. What the Cowboys
Speaker 1: chances are getting into the playoffs. We're going through and
Speaker 1: looking at each team, um and trying to decide if
Speaker 1: we think it's a realistic chance. What? Why is that
Speaker 1: funny laughing? Because I I'm thinking of the Jerry drop
Speaker 1: to open the show. I guarantee that if they lose
Speaker 1: one of these games, you're just gonna hear that drop. Well,
Speaker 1: so much for that. Yeah, that's why it was. All
Speaker 1: could go away very quickly if you take one loss.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's but I understand we haven't done a
Speaker 1: show in a week. We need to talk about all
Speaker 1: these we do but nothing, nothing really matters if you
Speaker 1: don't go out and win these games. You gotta go
Speaker 1: beat Eli Manning. Yep, let's put Nate and Nick on
Speaker 1: the nothing matters if they don't win the show and
Speaker 1: they can talk about that. Yeah, I'm okay, All what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is is that they have to take care
Speaker 1: of them. For sure, they have to win. I mean
Speaker 1: it's still kind of early because there's gonna be some
Speaker 1: something that you just don't expect. You just don't I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't expect some of these teams to to you know,
Speaker 1: get hot or you know, lose two or three in
Speaker 1: a row. The Eagles to lose two in a row.
Speaker 1: So they got one more loss and they're gonna lose.
Speaker 1: You did say that they'll lose some Yeah, they got
Speaker 1: the Rams next, So all right, so let's get to Carolina.
Speaker 1: Carolina right now is at eight and four, two games
Speaker 1: ahead of the Cowboys. UM. Their schedule is pretty tough
Speaker 1: down the stretch. They've got Minnesota this week. UM, and
Speaker 1: then they've got Green Bay, presumably with the return of
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Then they've got Tampa Bay. Then they've got Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Three of the four teams or playoff contention type teams. Uh,
Speaker 1: do you think they can win? You think they will
Speaker 1: lose two games to give the Cowboys a shot here.
Speaker 1: I do not respect the Panthers and and that's a
Speaker 1: that's that's on me. I just don't like their game.
Speaker 1: I don't that. I would never really think that they're
Speaker 1: gonna win. They obviously do. They're eight and four, it's
Speaker 1: really good record. I don't think they have offensive playmakers
Speaker 1: that are that great. I don't really love the quarterback
Speaker 1: at all. I don't know. I just feel like they're
Speaker 1: always gonna lose. But they don't. They don't scare me.
Speaker 1: They're just so they're so Jekyll and Hide, like they
Speaker 1: can be so good and so bad. Yeah, defense is awesome.
Speaker 1: I got a chance to watch a good part of
Speaker 1: that game against the Saints, and they got awesome players
Speaker 1: at like every level of their defense. And then but base,
Speaker 1: I mean, Nick's right, like there's nobody really on that
Speaker 1: offense that terrifies me. Christian McCaffrey's all right. Bertis Samuel
Speaker 1: was having a good season until he wunches. Is their
Speaker 1: best receiver. Yeah, it like it based like if Cam
Speaker 1: balls out, they win, and if he isn't awesome, they lose.
Speaker 1: That's and he is not consistent at all, So it
Speaker 1: just kind of depends on what Cam you're getting. Really like,
Speaker 1: I think that ultimately is what it boils down to,
Speaker 1: Like if he's if he's on his game, they're pretty
Speaker 1: tough to beat. And if he's not, I mean, like
Speaker 1: they kind of I mean for being eight and four
Speaker 1: were they were eight and three going into it, like
Speaker 1: they kind of got their butts kicked yea by the Saints,
Speaker 1: And I mean, I know if you watch the game,
Speaker 1: it really felt like they got their bus kid for sure,
Speaker 1: and the Saints ran all over him. Which defense is
Speaker 1: their calling cards. So I think linebackers and the speed
Speaker 1: at linebackers is really the key to beating beating them
Speaker 1: because you got to be able to somewhat spy him
Speaker 1: and not let camp just go crazy and run the ball.
Speaker 1: If he has to sit sits in there and you know,
Speaker 1: make those throws from the pocket, that's not his strength.
Speaker 1: I mean, he needs to be kind of out running.
Speaker 1: So to me, if you have a good fast defense,
Speaker 1: and you know, I guess the Saints kind of you
Speaker 1: would say have a fast defense somehow the Saint like
Speaker 1: the Saints went from laughing stock to respectable defense overnight.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I personally I think that they'll they'll
Speaker 1: kind of be what are they eating for? It smells
Speaker 1: like ten and six to me, Okay, they would lose
Speaker 1: two in that scenario and you think they're they're down
Speaker 1: there where that gives Cowboys a chance. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: you kind of need to be in a three way
Speaker 1: tie with somebody that you didn't you didn't play, Yeah, Amber,
Speaker 1: what do you think? I agree? But I mean the Panthers,
Speaker 1: it is a team that I just I'm on Nique
Speaker 1: side on this one. I just never know, like I
Speaker 1: really don't like them. But then again, they are winning
Speaker 1: and they are better than the Cowboys right now. So
Speaker 1: it's one of those that you just hope to see
Speaker 1: them lose, but they just keep winning. So I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I think they could definitely win all of that all
Speaker 1: of those games. So you know, you get to the
Speaker 1: point in the season two where you know you're talking
Speaker 1: about what they've done and you think, well, you know
Speaker 1: this is this is the type of team they're going
Speaker 1: to be. But you gotta remember, you gotta just look
Speaker 1: no further than the Cowboys. Some of these really good
Speaker 1: teams that Cowboys have had, even back to two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven. You know, it's different in December. It gets
Speaker 1: it's tougher to win, it's tough for throw it's tougher
Speaker 1: to do the same type of things that you normally do.
Speaker 1: So I think those teams that are kind of built
Speaker 1: for a cold weather are gonna, you know, have a
Speaker 1: chance to maybe you know, keep this thing going. But
Speaker 1: because just because of what you've seen and through the
Speaker 1: first three months doesn't mean you'll see it in the
Speaker 1: final month. You wonder about a team like Philly, you know,
Speaker 1: but I mean I think I think Carson Wentz, you know,
Speaker 1: will be fine throwing the ball whatever. But you know,
Speaker 1: some of these teams that maybe throw the ball a
Speaker 1: little bit more that maybe not as good. Well, the
Speaker 1: other thing I'll point out here too, is that you
Speaker 1: actually kind of want them to win some of these
Speaker 1: games because you kind of want them to put that
Speaker 1: loss on Atlanta, and you may even want them to
Speaker 1: put that loss on Green But I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like Green Bacon can maybe lose to Minnesota if you
Speaker 1: buy into that, and so that gets them the loss,
Speaker 1: and then you want Carolina to lose the other games.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, you do want them to win that
Speaker 1: Atlanta game because you need to put losses on Atlanta
Speaker 1: as well. So that's the other part. And you guys
Speaker 1: set this at the beginning. It's so true. These teams
Speaker 1: are all going to play each other, and so what
Speaker 1: you don't want is you don't want these teams that
Speaker 1: are playing each other to kind of win and lose.
Speaker 1: You want somebody to get on a role and just win,
Speaker 1: and you want the other ones to just get on
Speaker 1: a role and just lose, so that yes, maybe one
Speaker 1: spot is taken as a wild card, but that other
Speaker 1: spot gets vacated because all these other teams are taking losses.
Speaker 1: That's really what you want to see. You don't want
Speaker 1: them split in these games? Could you split them? And
Speaker 1: then everybody kind of still stays right there above the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the last team that's in
Speaker 1: that mixed Seattle eight and four Cowboys will play them.
Speaker 1: And so if we're assuming the Cowboys are gonna win,
Speaker 1: that would be one loss. They'll need one more against Seattle.
Speaker 1: Seattle has on the remaining on their schedule. They're at
Speaker 1: Jacksonville this week, they play the Rams, then they're at
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and then they finished the season against Arizona.
Speaker 1: Likelihood that they get another loss other than the Cowboys
Speaker 1: pretty good, yeah, pretty good chance. Who do you think
Speaker 1: can get them? Well? Jacksonville this week? Any of those three.
Speaker 1: Really are you buying Jacksonville? Yeah, I'm buying that defense.
Speaker 1: A defense is good, and you know the way Seattle plays,
Speaker 1: I mean those games, that game will be close. It'll
Speaker 1: be a close, tight game. I mean, Russell Wilson's playing great. Yes,
Speaker 1: thing is he put he's putting up. They're putting up
Speaker 1: a pretty good amount of points. And I mean that
Speaker 1: was that wasn't a bad defense that they beat up
Speaker 1: on last week. Philadelphia has a good defense. So does
Speaker 1: make me wonder against the Jacksonville team where you know,
Speaker 1: offensively they're pretty inept, like they don't have the greatest offensive.
Speaker 1: If they can't run the ball, you can shut them down.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll be enough to be able
Speaker 1: to beat a team like Seattle. Let's let's have a
Speaker 1: conversation here. Like my love for Aaron Rodgers as well established,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is entering into that territory. I was having
Speaker 1: this conversation with somebody the other day like he is
Speaker 1: he is in that category or is rapidly climbing into
Speaker 1: that category where you're just like he's on the field,
Speaker 1: all right, they got a shot. I don't care who
Speaker 1: they're playing. I don't care who's on their injury report.
Speaker 1: I don't care where the game is. They got a
Speaker 1: chance because he's awesome. He is in right now in
Speaker 1: the NFL. He is my favorite quarterback to watch. He's
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's so fun to watch him because
Speaker 1: you it's like Romo when Romo kind of got into
Speaker 1: the league and he's spinning in Whirland and you don't
Speaker 1: know where he's gonna go, and guys think they got
Speaker 1: him sacked, and then all of a sudden he's out
Speaker 1: of it, and it's just fun to watch. It is
Speaker 1: really fun to watch. I was not under the impression,
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't have put him in that category when
Speaker 1: when the season started. But I mean, Brady Rogers not
Speaker 1: even like I mean, like Drew Brees is capable of
Speaker 1: playing that way, but like the way they're playing, it's
Speaker 1: they don't even lean on him that way. But like
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is one of those three or four guys
Speaker 1: where he just they have a chance because he's there.
Speaker 1: I mean, how many games this season has he accounted?
Speaker 1: You know, Seattle will put up three hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: yards of offense and three hundred and fifty of them
Speaker 1: are his, you know, like they don't even bother running
Speaker 1: the ball anymore, and think about it for that standpoint,
Speaker 1: like the running, the running backs aren't great. Offensive line
Speaker 1: literally average at best. Thing is great. Baldwin is the
Speaker 1: best receiver that they got, and that's not great. Right,
Speaker 1: Graham's coming along, But I was gonna say as a
Speaker 1: tight end, Graham is actually catching a lot of touchdowns
Speaker 1: and that's that's a good thing. But even their defense,
Speaker 1: where that's been their calling card, they've lost two of
Speaker 1: their best defensive players and still haven't seemed to miss
Speaker 1: a beat. So all that being said, I think they're
Speaker 1: putting a ton on the shoulders of Russell. Of of Russell,
Speaker 1: and he's still managing to play extremely well. They can
Speaker 1: get him win the way he's playing, and nobs like
Speaker 1: this would involve them beating the Cowboys, which renders the
Speaker 1: Cowboys playoff chances moot. But I would not be surprised
Speaker 1: if they wind up winning the NFC West. I agree
Speaker 1: with them if they beat the Rams that they win
Speaker 1: out like and then you could find yourself in a
Speaker 1: situation where the Rams are the wild card, which that
Speaker 1: ain't good for the cow They have a tiebreaker over
Speaker 1: you as well. So, like I mean, if you're listening,
Speaker 1: it's very evident just from hearing all that, like a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff has to go the Cowboys way over
Speaker 1: the next month on top of them winning all their games. Ye.
Speaker 1: So I'll finish that with that question, how likely do
Speaker 1: you think it is the Cowboys win all four of
Speaker 1: their final games? Not likely. This team has not shown
Speaker 1: any kind of consistency other than to be inconsistent. That's
Speaker 1: the only consistency that we've really seen from them. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just with Zeke, I mean they
Speaker 1: didn't they were five and three, so, but they were
Speaker 1: getting on a roll when he went out, they were
Speaker 1: kind of getting You could feel that they were starting
Speaker 1: to get there, starting to roll, right, I mean three
Speaker 1: games in a row, right, But just the way they
Speaker 1: were playing offensively, the way they were playing, it seemed
Speaker 1: like they were starting to find their rhythm and they
Speaker 1: were starting to get on a role to where the
Speaker 1: yards were coming a lot easier than they were earlier
Speaker 1: in the season. Right, you guys agree with that? Yes? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Which that's honestly, this all sounds like a tough task
Speaker 1: and I've used this cliche a few times already, but
Speaker 1: like it's it's a two game season, because the whole
Speaker 1: thing changes if you're if you can get to Seattle
Speaker 1: at eight and six, Yeah, I give him. I mean
Speaker 1: I think you got a puncher's chance. You see what
Speaker 1: happens if that comes to pass. Obviously, I mean that's
Speaker 1: a tough task going on the road twice and getting
Speaker 1: two wins without him. I mean there's you know, they're
Speaker 1: six and six and they have not beaten a team
Speaker 1: with a winning record. So but that's you know, that's
Speaker 1: not really doesn't really matter at this point. You know,
Speaker 1: you're gonna play the Giants. The Raiders might have a
Speaker 1: winning record if you play them. You know, Seattle probably
Speaker 1: will if you get to play them, And then you
Speaker 1: gotta beat Philly and they definitely will, so you know,
Speaker 1: but my point is is that the wins those three
Speaker 1: games on a role you're talking about. They beat the Redskins, Okay,
Speaker 1: that was a pretty good game. And they beat the
Speaker 1: Chiefs and the Chiefs now look horrible, verrym mortal. And
Speaker 1: they beat the forty nine ers, which I think Clemson
Speaker 1: could too. Yeah, wouldn't put it past maybe, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just I look at the Niners be
Speaker 1: in the final four. The Niners would just absolutely roll
Speaker 1: to the night. I'm king, of course they would. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be tough. But I do think it's doable.
Speaker 1: And I've said this at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 1: I still believe it. I think if the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott, and certainly if they have Tyren Smith and
Speaker 1: they have Sean Lee and these guys that have been
Speaker 1: kind of banged up throughout the year, if they are
Speaker 1: at eight and six heading to to play set the roster,
Speaker 1: getting ready to play Seattle, and they've got there, they
Speaker 1: got all those guys in, then they will be among
Speaker 1: the healthiest teams in the league. When you started looking
Speaker 1: at it from that perspective, Um, and that does give them,
Speaker 1: like you said, David, does give them a puncher's chance. Again,
Speaker 1: a lot of things have to work out their way,
Speaker 1: but I think this is far from over. It's just
Speaker 1: you know, obvious. This is so obvious. But like you know,
Speaker 1: back in October, You're like, this loss of the Rams
Speaker 1: is gonna come back and haunt them. Yeah, it sure did.
Speaker 1: There could you feel a lot better right now if
Speaker 1: you were seven and five doing this whole thing and
Speaker 1: had that tie breakover, Yeah, the Rams who could find
Speaker 1: themselves being a wild card. Um, if if Seattle keeps winning,
Speaker 1: if you could just have one, would you take that one?
Speaker 1: Or Atlanta? Even though the Atlanta it was not even close. Well,
Speaker 1: you have to take Atlanta because right now Atlanta is
Speaker 1: a wild card? Or would you They're firmly planted as
Speaker 1: a wild cart. They're not gonna win a division. I know,
Speaker 1: well wild card contender, they wouldn't playoffs. Know what I
Speaker 1: mean is like there you're gonna be battling with them
Speaker 1: for a wild card. They're not gonna win their division. Rams,
Speaker 1: They're still up there and possibly win their division. I
Speaker 1: would take Atlanta because it means that you played a
Speaker 1: decent game against them without Zeke, which is I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, they just makes you feel better, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: they beat the crap out of the Redskins. Kudos to them,
Speaker 1: good job, but like the offense still wasn't really that
Speaker 1: great like they I mean, they got it done mainly
Speaker 1: because the takeaway is an awesome special teams play like
Speaker 1: that was the catalyst for that win. So if they
Speaker 1: had managed to find a way to beat Atlanta, then
Speaker 1: I would assume that meant that they were playing better
Speaker 1: on offense, and that would give me more hope that
Speaker 1: they can win these next two games without him. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and take our final break. When we
Speaker 1: come back, Amber has a little game for us, So
Speaker 1: we're gonna jump in and here's some of those questions
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Nick boom Amber. You got some questions for
Speaker 1: us I do. Since we haven't been here for a while,
Speaker 1: I thought i'd give the fans a chance to shoot
Speaker 1: out their questions and for you guys to answer them. Okay,
Speaker 1: so all right, what would be y'all's best come nation
Speaker 1: of players at each position in the secondary? Well, I
Speaker 1: really like what Cheeto did at cornerback the other night,
Speaker 1: So I'm a Cheeto fan. I'm ready to ride with that. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: so he's on one side. I never probably Jordan on
Speaker 1: the other side. So you are Scandrick out. I mean
Speaker 1: I I never liked him that much on the outside,
Speaker 1: like he's such a good slot cornerback. I don't want
Speaker 1: to didn't like him very much. You know I love
Speaker 1: Orlando Scandrick. Yeah, it's not a lie. He's like, he's
Speaker 1: his his prickly personality resonates with me. I makes so
Speaker 1: much sense. I know, um, Georgy love you. I think
Speaker 1: he likes me more than most people that come into
Speaker 1: the locker room. I thought, you say, just most people
Speaker 1: in general. He's like he was being a jerk to
Speaker 1: me one time recently and I was like, leave me alone,
Speaker 1: and he was like, you know, like the fact that
Speaker 1: I bother messing with you at all means I like you, right,
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, okay, he's still annoying. He
Speaker 1: does stop buying, kind of have a little conversation with
Speaker 1: you from Thomas out on the plane, I think he
Speaker 1: I think he likes you. We're home. Is it just
Speaker 1: Dave and like, is he having the conversation with Dave?
Speaker 1: Well sometimes yes, but there's also sometimes but the whole plane. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just talking out loud and hoping somebody bites on
Speaker 1: whatever he's saying. Yeah and see where it goes. Right,
Speaker 1: He's a Fisherman conversation guy, just like, hey, cheet on
Speaker 1: this one, cheeto, Jordan Scandrick, Um, Hey, let's I mean
Speaker 1: let's just ride the hot hand here, Cavan get out there,
Speaker 1: um and then whatever I mean by want the other one.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I've been saying that since July, Like
Speaker 1: just it they rotated anyway, Just whatever combination you got.
Speaker 1: It's not great, but it is what it is. Like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're all gonna play. Thing about Heath is that Heath
Speaker 1: is better than Byron Jones and he's worse than Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: Like Byron Jones doesn't have a lot of bad, bad plays,
Speaker 1: Heath will have some bad plays, but he has some
Speaker 1: good plays. The play the other night where Crowder fumbled
Speaker 1: and it was calf was touching the ground and they
Speaker 1: called it you know, him down and ball went to Heath.
Speaker 1: I mean, Heath is the one that picked it up.
Speaker 1: He also got the interception. He's got another interception. He's
Speaker 1: picked off Aaron Rodgers twice in a year when no
Speaker 1: one was doing that. The ball kind of finds him
Speaker 1: the Bucks game, two interceptions, but he also lost the
Speaker 1: game because he had a holding penalty that you know,
Speaker 1: when they had the game won. So Heath is just
Speaker 1: kind of you know, he's very up and down, and
Speaker 1: Byron Jones is just kind of there and didn't really
Speaker 1: do anything. So does that answer anything? Yeah, about Xavier Woods,
Speaker 1: I think he's I've there, You've seen flashes of potential
Speaker 1: from him, but he's the classic case of like if
Speaker 1: you were to throw him out there for sixty snaps,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not convinced they would look good. Is that
Speaker 1: just youth an inexperience. Absolutely, he's a rookie. He's a
Speaker 1: But you got two other rookies out there also, Okay
Speaker 1: with those guys, two other rookies, one in the corner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were drafted much higher. I mean, I know, like
Speaker 1: we were really high on Xavier Woods during the draft process.
Speaker 1: He was still a Day three pick. A Cheeto was
Speaker 1: his top sixty. Jordan Lewis would have been a first
Speaker 1: round pick if not for the off the field stuff.
Speaker 1: So I think that's a little bit different. Okay, Von Frasier,
Speaker 1: great game showed some you know, physical nature. That's awesome,
Speaker 1: But let's see how Let's see what happens when he's
Speaker 1: asked to do everything that a safety needs to do.
Speaker 1: Because I've seen a safety around here that was a
Speaker 1: five time Pro bowler that once the team's figured him out,
Speaker 1: he was nothing, and so let's see if he has
Speaker 1: to go and do those things. So if he can
Speaker 1: play closer to the line of scrimmage like Barry Church
Speaker 1: did a lot of times, great because I think that's
Speaker 1: that's what he's good at. But if he has to
Speaker 1: go back and cover, we'll see if he can handle that.
Speaker 1: And that kind of plays into my point, which is
Speaker 1: between the four main candidates to play safety, you can
Speaker 1: kind of get it done moving them around and getting
Speaker 1: them all out there and give them all a role
Speaker 1: like there's no two guys that you're just like, these
Speaker 1: are the guys that need to be playing eighty snaps
Speaker 1: a game like they don't have that. And that's why
Speaker 1: I mean, I think safety is one of their top
Speaker 1: two or three draft needs because of that. Well, the
Speaker 1: other thing I'll say about Cavon Frazier and I mentioned
Speaker 1: this on the show yesterday, is he does give them
Speaker 1: an attitude that I think right now is sorely missing
Speaker 1: on this defense. I don't think you have a lot
Speaker 1: of guys on this defense deal really pop a guy,
Speaker 1: and I think he will, and I think that's something
Speaker 1: that even though today's NFL, you're not going to get
Speaker 1: away with the stuff you would have gotten away with
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen years ago. I still do think having
Speaker 1: a safety who is a short tackler and attacks with
Speaker 1: a thud, I think there's something to that, and I
Speaker 1: think he provides that for you. None of your other
Speaker 1: safeties provide that. Yeah, it's one of the worst positions
Speaker 1: in the NFL for a guy to play because it's
Speaker 1: really a no wins because it's changed so much yet.
Speaker 1: I mean, that game last night was atrocious, and you know,
Speaker 1: you feel for a lot of those players because they're
Speaker 1: trying to be in a physical situation and you know,
Speaker 1: the game happened so fast, and then next thing you know,
Speaker 1: you know they're getting fined because the super SlowMo you
Speaker 1: just see helmet to helmet, you know. But then if
Speaker 1: the guy backs off in the end zone and doesn't
Speaker 1: hit helmet the helmet, then he looks soft and he
Speaker 1: give it protucts down so they have no no shot. Well,
Speaker 1: you guys brought up um Byron Jones. How committed do
Speaker 1: you guys think that the Cowboys are with him long term?
Speaker 1: Like financially? Yeah? Like moving forward? Like how committed? Well,
Speaker 1: he's got it entering, He's entering his fourth season, so
Speaker 1: you got to make your decision on a fifth year
Speaker 1: option win May and it's coming me. I don't think
Speaker 1: they do. I would not either. I can't. I can't
Speaker 1: see what justifies it right now. I think they moved positions.
Speaker 1: I think he moves to corner I would do. Does
Speaker 1: a corner is ead any better? I mean, like, no,
Speaker 1: he's not. But I mean he is not very big
Speaker 1: to play safety. He he's always on some I mean,
Speaker 1: but it's not softy back ride king. But does does
Speaker 1: the size really matter as much as just is? Or
Speaker 1: is it just his ability to tackle isn't as as
Speaker 1: good as it needs to be in order to play safety,
Speaker 1: because there have been some safeties in the league that
Speaker 1: aren't big guys that are good safeties, right I just
Speaker 1: Eric Weddle is a good one that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Like he's a shorter guy, but he's a good safety.
Speaker 1: In a perfect world, I would spend my first or
Speaker 1: second round draft pick on a starting caliber safety, and
Speaker 1: I would have Byron play the final year of his
Speaker 1: contract as like that dime tight end guy, like the
Speaker 1: extra defensive back. Is that what you want from a
Speaker 1: guy you draft in the first round? No, but basically
Speaker 1: you're about to make him JJ Wilcox type just that
Speaker 1: kind of number snap and I think he's he's really
Speaker 1: he would be really good in that role. He has
Speaker 1: been before, and I think it works for him. That
Speaker 1: allows him to find the balance between his size and
Speaker 1: his his athleticism. Like he's not out there playing corner.
Speaker 1: He's not that great at safety, but he can cover
Speaker 1: and you know, deal with tight ends and do stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Like I said, it's it's a role playing job.
Speaker 1: It's not what you want from a guy you drafted
Speaker 1: in the first round, but that's where you're at. That's
Speaker 1: what I would do. Like I I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: go into twenty eighteen with him as one of my
Speaker 1: primary defensive starters. That's I wouldn't do that. But the
Speaker 1: Ryan Switzer earn his swagger, I think that might have
Speaker 1: been directed at me. Maybe I need a few more
Speaker 1: games that do that every game for the rest of
Speaker 1: the year, how about it, and then you can have swagger. Hey,
Speaker 1: that was pretty badass. If he wants to swagger walk around,
Speaker 1: I think he earned it. But you know the thing
Speaker 1: about it is we and we said, we talked about this.
Speaker 1: I think it was the last week of the week
Speaker 1: before he had started showing that he's gonna break one
Speaker 1: of these, Like he started having some some returns where
Speaker 1: you were you were saying, like he's in position in
Speaker 1: some of these instances, he makes one different cut here
Speaker 1: or there, and he could take that to the house.
Speaker 1: And so I think I don't think it's just about
Speaker 1: what he did last weekend. Obviously scoring makes a difference,
Speaker 1: but really what he's been doing the last few weeks
Speaker 1: suggests that he's starting to get it and it's starting
Speaker 1: to get to a point where he is becoming a
Speaker 1: bit of a threat in the return game. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: got existently, he's gotta get up the field. And then
Speaker 1: when you get up the field, that's where things will
Speaker 1: start breaking down, you know, and you're gonna take some
Speaker 1: big hits. There's gonna be sometimes when you you guess
Speaker 1: wrong and you're gonna get hit by a guy going,
Speaker 1: you know, fifty yards down the field and he's obviously
Speaker 1: gonna be bigger than him. So you know that you're
Speaker 1: gonna take some big shots. But I think it's a
Speaker 1: risk reward thing, and um, he's definitely done better, and yeah,
Speaker 1: he's took him a while, but he's getting there. I
Speaker 1: thought he would be more involved in the offense, especially
Speaker 1: as stagnant as it is. I thought he would be
Speaker 1: involved in it, but he hasn't been. Well, Cole hasn't either,
Speaker 1: So it's hard to get two of those guys involved
Speaker 1: when you can't even get one in it. So that's
Speaker 1: the next question. If I mean, based on what we've
Speaker 1: seen with him and the speed he has and all that,
Speaker 1: would you guys want to see him more involved in
Speaker 1: the offense? Give me this? Yeah, give me this one, right?
Speaker 1: I was thinking same thing. Here's the here's the problem.
Speaker 1: This guy's not going anywhere. It doesn't want to go anywhere,
Speaker 1: and it's really hard for the coach and staff to
Speaker 1: do anything. And that's the he's the I hate to
Speaker 1: say this, but when it comes to Switzer, hears they
Speaker 1: progress stopper. But they could use him on things like
Speaker 1: the Jets sweep, which I think the way that they
Speaker 1: used Lucky, there's no reason why they couldn't use Switcher
Speaker 1: the same way. And they were getting there was a
Speaker 1: point last year when they had a stretch of five
Speaker 1: or six games, well they were doing that every game
Speaker 1: and getting ten twelve yards every time they tried it.
Speaker 1: And I think that again, when you have a team
Speaker 1: where you're trying to figure out ways to run the
Speaker 1: ball and move the ball, but you want to be
Speaker 1: able to run the ball, that just creates one more
Speaker 1: dynamic that you have to pay attention to. You can
Speaker 1: buying Alfred Morris with the jet sweep, with Dak being
Speaker 1: able to run. Now, there are a lot of different
Speaker 1: ways you can run the ball, and the defense has
Speaker 1: to count for every single one of them, and I
Speaker 1: think that only helps you. I just I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit surprised that they haven't started doing that more, especially
Speaker 1: with Zeke out of the lineup. Yeah, you're right, especially
Speaker 1: now that Zeke's not there. It seems like something that
Speaker 1: would make sense. It doesn't seem like it should be
Speaker 1: that hard, even with Jason Witton out there, to get
Speaker 1: him two to four touches a game, or like you
Speaker 1: could do that with twelfth personnel, give him, give him
Speaker 1: a package. I don't know. Um, I think that I
Speaker 1: think these these guys are they I think of it
Speaker 1: as stubborn, and they think of it like they're they're
Speaker 1: committed to their philosophy and who they are and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, and I think they're stubborn. I don't, they don't.
Speaker 1: It's a thin line between commitment and stubbornness, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's one of those questions where like, I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't have a great answer because I don't. I think
Speaker 1: it's weird too. So I know we talked about this
Speaker 1: several weeks ago, and I don't really want to get
Speaker 1: into it too much, but people are asking Randy Gregory,
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen with him? Is it looking like a
Speaker 1: possibility of coming back? I know that I heard Brian
Speaker 1: the other day to kind of mentioned I guess you
Speaker 1: have to like sign something, you have to petition the
Speaker 1: league for reinstatement. He hasn't done that from what I hear. No,
Speaker 1: he was supposed to have a hearing back to the
Speaker 1: beginning of November. I don't know if anything came of that.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been reinstated. Even when he is reinstated, he
Speaker 1: can't come back to the team until January. It's a
Speaker 1: moot point for this season. We explain that to me,
Speaker 1: he can be reinstated but not allowed to come back
Speaker 1: to the team, or not allowed to play. He's serving
Speaker 1: a suspension right now. Right, what I'm saying is you
Speaker 1: said he could be reinstated and not be allowed to
Speaker 1: come back. If you think about like being like you're
Speaker 1: not well, you're not banned from the league or whatever
Speaker 1: when you're suspended, you know what I like not Zeke
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be reinstated. Randy was suspended enough times
Speaker 1: or had enough problems that that's a whole different thing.
Speaker 1: You say reinstated, your meaning be reinstated as a as
Speaker 1: an NFL player that's still suspended. Yes, got you. And
Speaker 1: it's a year long suspendon, Like, it's not games, it's
Speaker 1: a calendar year, and so he's not eligible to actually
Speaker 1: come back from suspension until January, right, so you won't
Speaker 1: see him this year. I don't honestly like to be
Speaker 1: one hundred percent reel like, I don't know where it
Speaker 1: sits one hundred percent right now. I know he's still
Speaker 1: got to deal with that. I've heard that there's reason
Speaker 1: for optimism that maybe that can all work out in time,
Speaker 1: but it won't. I hope it's I hope those reasons
Speaker 1: for optimism or things happening in Dallas and not Cleveland.
Speaker 1: That's what I hope, Oh not while you're talking about John,
Speaker 1: about Joshua Gordon, who you never thought would come back
Speaker 1: to the league again, and he has and had a
Speaker 1: pretty decent data other. Yeah, that's great. No, that's a
Speaker 1: that's an awesome story. But I mean, like, just the
Speaker 1: reason for optimism based on what's going on in Randy's
Speaker 1: Gregory's life. I hope so. And there's also a big
Speaker 1: difference to josh Gordon lit up the league. Randy Gregory still,
Speaker 1: I mean before all of this was not a great
Speaker 1: pass rusher. I mean, that's a young needing to develop
Speaker 1: pass A choice of words there, lit up the league. Sorry,
Speaker 1: good point. I was like to be like that, but
Speaker 1: I was like, ring it up. I'm like, what's wrong
Speaker 1: with that? He had a great year and oh that's
Speaker 1: what he's talking about. So let's just hope this doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: But if the Cowboys are mathemlodically got it, Yes, I
Speaker 1: got it slowly close enough. If they're math, yeah, out
Speaker 1: of the playoff, would you guys expect the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: sit out Shaun Lee, Janalen Smith and even seek would
Speaker 1: you want them to do that? Play football? You get
Speaker 1: sixteen games a year play football. That's yeah, and my thing,
Speaker 1: that's what they'll say. Yeah, I mean sixteen games. You
Speaker 1: only get sixteen games, so it's not like basketball or baseball,
Speaker 1: well you got hundreds or you know, eighty something games,
Speaker 1: hundred games, whatever it is. I understand the point those
Speaker 1: might not be the best three. What about Tyrant Smith
Speaker 1: if he's already got an injury that he's been playing
Speaker 1: through and he's gonna need to have surgery, and going
Speaker 1: ahead and doing the surgery gets him back a little sooner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe Shaun Lee has been dealing with hamstrings all year,
Speaker 1: gon need surgery. That's my point. I'm talking about surgery.
Speaker 1: Like if you if there's gonna need to need to
Speaker 1: be a surgery in the off season for particular injury
Speaker 1: you already have, and if you go ahead and do
Speaker 1: the surgery, now it just speeds that timeline up a
Speaker 1: little bit so that you're back and maybe get some
Speaker 1: of the offseason work. Then I say, go ahead and
Speaker 1: do it. But absent to that, let him play. And
Speaker 1: you know what they would want to play, like Sean
Speaker 1: Lee wants to play every game that he's able to
Speaker 1: affect his money too. Yeah, I mean and I get
Speaker 1: that they're professionals. They're gonna want to do their jobs
Speaker 1: whatever I'm It's my same thing with preseason games, honestly,
Speaker 1: Like and I get that I'm in the minority and
Speaker 1: that if they're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, if you've
Speaker 1: ever made a Pro Bowl, by if you've ever made
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl or an All Pro team, you're done
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, because right now, if you're
Speaker 1: the Giants, that's what you would do. You would you
Speaker 1: would take all those guys they're mathematically eliminated. You would
Speaker 1: take all those guys that are your best players and
Speaker 1: you sit them down for a month. You can't do that, Dave.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit different in a situation like that
Speaker 1: where I'm with the Cowboys. We're probably talking about two games.
Speaker 1: We're probably like, we're not talking about a whole month.
Speaker 1: Like if you're yeah, if you're one in ten, you
Speaker 1: got to evaluate your team moving forward for the next season.
Speaker 1: There's a new regime coming in that wants to see
Speaker 1: that type of stuf. You're probably talking about a game
Speaker 1: or two here. If the Cowboys are out, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: play them. This is a callous thing to say. But
Speaker 1: these guys are assets, that's what they are. Why are
Speaker 1: you subjecting them to needless rich Your fans are assets too.
Speaker 1: The fans are the ones to pay them. And then
Speaker 1: and somebody's go opening up a Christmas present that says, Hey,
Speaker 1: I get to go to the game to watch the
Speaker 1: Cowboys play the Seahawks, and because they're mathematically eliminated, I
Speaker 1: don't get to watch Dak, I don't get to watch Zeke,
Speaker 1: I don't get to watch Russell Wilson, I don't get
Speaker 1: to watch Richard Sherman because everyone's math. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: with you. That's a tough one. And I go back
Speaker 1: to the sixteen games thing. You know, it's about playing.
Speaker 1: And I get your point. I mean, I know what
Speaker 1: you're saying about, you know, protecting them from next year,
Speaker 1: But there's not that many injuries that would happen there
Speaker 1: that prevent them from the next season. Not really. I
Speaker 1: mean it's torn achilles or something like that. Those injuries exist, exist, exist,
Speaker 1: But I get your point. Hit by the bus by
Speaker 1: because they were inactive, Well, well that's it goes back
Speaker 1: to the whole I mean, that's what get hits by
Speaker 1: but it goes back to the whole argument I had
Speaker 1: with Mickey in the summer though. He's like, Wow, they'll
Speaker 1: just get hurt in the regular season game instead of
Speaker 1: the preseason game. And I say, well, let him get hurt.
Speaker 1: I'm get hurt in a game that matters. That's what
Speaker 1: I think. And I get I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1: The preseason thing is it makes Yeah, that makes a
Speaker 1: lot more sense to me. But sixteen regular season games
Speaker 1: is all you get. And these guys think about they
Speaker 1: practice all year long, except for maybe a couple months off,
Speaker 1: just to be able to have sixteen games. And I'm
Speaker 1: I'm like I said, I think they would all want
Speaker 1: to play. Like I'm not suggesting that they're trying to
Speaker 1: get out of games. I'm saying I'd say it. I'd
Speaker 1: be like, that's great, you want to play. Awesome. We
Speaker 1: weren't good enough before and now there's no points to
Speaker 1: put you at risk. So would you say, Sean, if
Speaker 1: you've made a Pro Bowl, I would sit you. That's
Speaker 1: if I mean. And again, and it's do you even
Speaker 1: have enough offits of time in to play? We have
Speaker 1: to go for two because Bailey, he's not playing, make
Speaker 1: it work. We'll make it work again. Heat we're talking
Speaker 1: about we're talking about like one maybe two games, not
Speaker 1: like six if you're the San Francisco forty nine ers, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with Nick. I don't. I don't want a little
Speaker 1: Johnny opening his present Christmas morning and I get to
Speaker 1: go to a football game and none of the players
Speaker 1: are playing like that, there's something fundamentally it's it's my
Speaker 1: whole complaint with the NBA and kind of how they
Speaker 1: and I understand why they do it, but I think
Speaker 1: for fans, the fans are the ones that get jilted
Speaker 1: because if you save your money to take your family
Speaker 1: to this one game of these two games, because you
Speaker 1: want to see your favorite player, and there's no other
Speaker 1: reason that that your other your player isn't playing other
Speaker 1: than just coach's decision. To me, there's something something fundamentally wrong.
Speaker 1: And you know what, that's probably why it makes sense
Speaker 1: to have like diverse voices in your power structure between coaching,
Speaker 1: front office ownership, because you need to have a voice
Speaker 1: that'll be like, uh no, like fan, we got fifty
Speaker 1: thousand people wearing Zeke jerseys that are going to be here,
Speaker 1: like he needs to play because you know, again I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about this purely from a football standpoint, like if
Speaker 1: the coach has had their way, they do stuff like
Speaker 1: that all the time. Yeah, and you have to remember
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff because guess what, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, and I know the guy here says
Speaker 1: it a lot. We're in the entertainment business and if
Speaker 1: you're not considering the fact that how are you going
Speaker 1: to entertain your fans, then you're missing the point to somebody.
Speaker 1: If you won't, if you won't let me sit everybody
Speaker 1: that's made a Pro Bowl, what I would I would say, Oh, Sean,
Speaker 1: your hamstring has been terrible, Like, you probably need surgery
Speaker 1: on that, right, you can do the Papa Vitch route, Yeah, Sean,
Speaker 1: anybody all right, anybody that's battled an injury, you're done surgery.
Speaker 1: Which I'm a little bit more okay with that. I
Speaker 1: know I was wondering that too. I'm like, hamstring surgery.
Speaker 1: Oh no, Sean, you have a hangnail. You need to
Speaker 1: have surgery. Right, you can't play this week. Zeke lost
Speaker 1: so many potential incentives because with the six games, you know, suspension.
Speaker 1: You wonder if there's anything he can collect makeup. You know,
Speaker 1: he needs what two thirty seven to get to a thousand.
Speaker 1: But Zeke, that's the thing. Zeke hasn't played six games,
Speaker 1: so you know, he wants to play football. So those
Speaker 1: two games, I don't think you sit him. That's that
Speaker 1: just wouldn't be. I don't think fair to him to
Speaker 1: then take another two games from him where he can
Speaker 1: be out there five minutes talking about the fact that
Speaker 1: they're gonna win four straights. So they're playing a good point.
Speaker 1: We're playing all right, Thank you guys for joining us.
Speaker 1: We're back tomorrow. We're gonna get back to our normal format.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow we're gonna jump into the Giants. Dave's gonna give
Speaker 1: us a scouting report and tell us all about these
Speaker 1: New York Giants. Will do that tomorrow until then, for
Speaker 1: Nick Even, Dave Helmett, amber Garcia. I'm Derek Hilts and
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