1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport. There is a contest for every fan Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win, Hi everybody. Usually we do 6 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: a Monday, Wednesday Friday podcast, but we thought we'd put 7 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: one out for Tuesday because well we're exceptional and that's 8 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: what we do. We're a content machine. So Mark Sanchez 9 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: going to stop by the former Jet and USC quarterback 10 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: to talk about n I l name image, likeness, and 11 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: I interested in sort of his perception of it because 12 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: USC is one of the places where players could really 13 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: do well. You know, I had about a five minute 14 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: thought before we started that. So there are stories that 15 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: continue to surface. Two the other day won by Jeremy 16 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: Fowler at ESPN that Denver is still very very interested 17 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: in Aaron Rodgers and continues to contact the Packers. You know, 18 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: on a broader scale, something really interesting has been happening here. 19 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: So Aaron Rodgers told reporters not long ago he liked 20 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: the opportunity to sort of have the off season to himself. 21 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: He's a packer still, but it's his offseason, and there 22 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: is this sort of weird stigma like whoa wait a minute, 23 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: hold on, you're not at OTA's and mini camps. But 24 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: one of the things we've learned during the pandemic is 25 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: the workplace has changed. We're seeing a major shift in 26 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: the way employees and their employers relate to each other. 27 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: You know, for decades it's been the employers who set 28 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: the guidelines for the way you and I work, right, 29 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: we fit into their system designed by the employeer. But 30 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: these systems, they were mostly cookie cutter, one size fits 31 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: all approaches that didn't really account for different working styles, 32 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: different personal responsibilities, people may have different mental states they 33 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: may have been in, and different needs for the employee. 34 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: And when the lockdown happened and people started working from home, 35 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: employees got a chance to say, wait a minute, I'm 36 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: just as productive. I don't have to drive to work, 37 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: pay for parking, the stress and anxiety of commuting. Why 38 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: am I letting my employer dictate everything? My job now 39 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: fits very nicely into my lifestyle. And suddenly, employers, for 40 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: the first time in a long time, oh wait, we 41 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: don't have all the leverage and control. So in sports, 42 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: the NFL was sort of the vanguard of the you 43 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: fit into our style or else mentality. Well, now we 44 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: finally see quarterbacks with leverage saying, you know, I kind 45 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: of like to do things my way. Brady leaves Belichick, 46 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson makes Pete Carroll lighting up, Matthew Stafford pushes 47 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,839 Speaker 1: for a trade, Aaron telling the Packers, hey, I think 48 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: I'll show up in a month. This is what's happening 49 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: around America where the pandemic. Let all of us get 50 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: off the treadmill and go, wow, there's another way to 51 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: do this. And the truth is we all know this. 52 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: Sean McVay did something very interesting a couple of years 53 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: ago when he broke in he wouldn't play any starters 54 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: in the preseason, and people said, whoa trouble, irresponsible young boy, 55 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: wonder doesn't know what he's doing. They'll be really bad 56 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: in September and the Rams went eight no to start 57 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: the season, not playing any starters in the preseason. Now 58 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: we're down to three preseason games and virtue only no 59 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: top teams play starters. Sometimes at all, you've got to 60 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: push the envelope with employers. We often do things just 61 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: because we've done them a certain way. I noticed this 62 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: when I lived out east. I'm a West Coast guy, 63 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: moved east for a decade. Very thankful I did. I 64 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: gotta see a new way of life. But the difference 65 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: between the East Coast and West Coast really became clear 66 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,799 Speaker 1: to me. On the East Coast, you are often chasing 67 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: the dreams your grandparents and parents have for you take 68 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: over Grandpa's business which dad took over, and you take over. 69 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: The West Coast, you're chasing your own dreams. It's more entrepreneurial. 70 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: You're starting your own business. It's not a coincident. Silicone 71 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: Valley is West Coast. The East Coast is more tradition. 72 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: West Coast is more individualistic, and both of them work 73 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: in America just fine. The NFL and pro leagues no 74 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: longer have to dictate all terms, just like your employers 75 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: don't have to dictate all terms. So though I can 76 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: be critical of Aaron Rodgers, he is now doing what's 77 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: commonplace for stars. I don't need to go to all 78 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: these mini camps. I don't need to sit around in 79 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: the offseason memorizing the playbook. I am the playbook. I 80 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: am the star. I've got needs too. So this is 81 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: not just me saddling up to everything pro Aaron Rodgers 82 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: or Russell Wilson or Brady. But we have a new 83 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: way to do things in America, and the pandemic opened 84 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: a lot of eyes, even in the National Football League. 85 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: All Right, he's my guy, Mark Sanchez, USC quarterback two 86 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, two thousand nine, 87 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: first round pick of the Jets, great broadcaster, and I 88 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: like talking to Mark about stuff, and I really thought 89 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: of you this week with name, image, likeness, and you know, 90 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: so I've had enough friends that do what you do. 91 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: They're high end college athletes. And I'm not a moralist. 92 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: You listen to me on the air, you know, I 93 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: was pro smoking pot twenty years ago. I don't care. 94 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: I really don't. And I was always understood to me 95 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: Mark that like, listen, if you're Mark Sanchez, you're a 96 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: star at Texas, You're gonna get a hundred dollar handshakes. 97 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: Nobody really cares is And I look at it now 98 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's almost absurd. I mean, I think 99 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: about this. There was a point in America not long ago, 100 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine. You could smoke on airplanes. What 101 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: It wasn't long ago? Gay marriage was outlawed? What and 102 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: literally an hour ago, you couldn't pay a player like 103 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: Reggie Bush, Mark Sanchez or Matt Leinart. And I look 104 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: at it and I think it's almost embarrassing. Did you 105 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: ever resent it when you were at USC see? That's 106 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you make some incredible points and I think 107 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: you have a good perspective on this, But it didn't 108 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: even cross my mind. And I feel like such a 109 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: dumb ass now right, Like like I saw him selling 110 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: the jerseys. I saw him like, you know how much 111 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: money goes into those Rose Bowl ads? You know how 112 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: much money the team gets, like and I just thought, like, dude, 113 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: I'm here to ball. I gotta get my degree, and 114 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: I want to go play in the NFL. And I 115 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: love usd and we get a lot of cool gear. 116 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 1: They're paying for my food, they're paying for my school. Sweet. 117 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: But I also came from you know, my dad was 118 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: a firefighter. He made decent money as a fire captain 119 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: for a while, so we weren't I wasn't in a 120 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: lot of economic struggle. I wasn't rich, but I wasn't poor, 121 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: and I never had to send I never got a 122 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: pell grant like raymout Luga like other guys on our team, 123 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: and sent that money home like these dudes were. These 124 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: dudes were budgeting before I even what a budget was, 125 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: right right, Like I have to budget. Okay, am I 126 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: putting gas in my car? Or am I getting groceries? 127 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: Because do I want to drive guys to the airport 128 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: when they go home, or do I want to go 129 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,239 Speaker 1: back home to Orange County? Or do I want food 130 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: for the week like when we're off school, when we're 131 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: spring break or whatever. But like these guys are like, okay, 132 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,119 Speaker 1: I gotta send five hundred bucks home, another two hundred 133 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: bucks to my cousin. All right, I got another couple 134 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: hundred bucks after rent, like and they were really doing 135 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: that in school. And if you think about it now, 136 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: I mean, these guys can go to the Boosters golf 137 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: club because you know, these Boosters are pumping money in 138 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: the program. Now they're gonna be able to guarantee recruits. 139 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: Like you know, we got ten speaking engagements for you. 140 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: You can probably make a one hundred fifty thousand dollars 141 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: and show up at the golf clubs, show up at 142 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 1: the restaurant, show up at whatever, do the chalk talk with. 143 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: I don't name your sponsor, USC name your sponsor Texas, Alabama, Ohio, State, Florida. 144 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a no brainer. And the other thing 145 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: that I thought was silly with all this is that 146 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: the Okay football pays for most everything. Right, I've heard 147 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: you say that. I know that for a fact. That's 148 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: not like a football is better thing. That's just that's 149 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: just a fact. But the soccer players and swimmers that 150 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: like go win gold medals and stuff and can't do 151 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: a summer camp and advertise about it on Instagram and 152 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: make fifty bucks ahead and get you know, one hundred 153 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: kids at their camp, that's crazy. That's crazy to me. 154 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: So the fact that they can do it now, I mean, 155 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: God bless them. That's awesome. And I left a lot 156 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: of money on the table, like, yes, I didn't even 157 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: think about it. Well, it's funny because you there's three 158 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: college athletes in my life, Vinch Young, Reggie Bush and 159 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: Tebow where there was just something. These are big brand 160 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: program I mean, Johnny Manziel's great, but Texas A and 161 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: M isn't a blip on the screen compared to USC 162 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: in Texas. So when Reggie Bush was at his height, 163 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: you were like a red shirt you were you were 164 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: like like a red shirt, red shirt freshman. Tell people 165 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: how big Reggie was just just a sense because I 166 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: don't think the rest of the country. We had no 167 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: NFL in Los Angeles. No, Yeah, it was. I mean, 168 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: he couldn't go anywhere. He couldn't go anywhere. It was 169 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: like Elvis or something. I've never seen anything like it. 170 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: And I mean people were making money selling shirts that 171 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: said Bush Liner for President because that was the year 172 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: that it was Bush and whoever Cheney or whatever. And 173 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: I mean Reggie got no part of that, Like had 174 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: no We all had the shirts. We all thought they 175 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: were cool. We all bought them for fifteen bucks and 176 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: ten bucks like they were cool. But I mean, the 177 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: guy could have just exploded. Especially in LA. It was 178 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: USC football. There's a Lakers, King's, Dodgers, whatever. But USC 179 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: football was a big deal, especially with Pete Carroll and 180 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: the way he had celebrities in their snoop dogs at practice. 181 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: Well Ferrell's on the sidelines away NBA teams. I remember 182 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony was playing to the Nuggets. They come into 183 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: town and play the Lakers. He's at our game on 184 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: the sideline just to come check it out, just because 185 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: like that's the place to be. Usc is the place 186 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: to be. So I mean, Reggie would have just ranked 187 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: in some serious money. And this is before social media. 188 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: This is before like Facebook was barely starting. Twitter, Nope, 189 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: Instagram not even close, TikTok, none of that. I mean, 190 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: you look at these two galls from Fresno State. I mean, 191 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: they're doing a full media tour in New York. It's awesome. 192 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: They got their thing and Times Square and you know 193 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: they do these dances on TikTok. I mean they're gonna 194 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: they're probably gonna make a one hundred thousand bucks and 195 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: split it between them. That's awesome. Like, I mean, it's 196 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 1: just I read something about Derek King too. I mean, 197 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: he's doing a bunch of stuff with like three main companies. 198 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: He said he said he wants to sign like a 199 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: group deal with all of his old linemen and then 200 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: they split all the proceeds. Boom. You get everybody to 201 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: go and talk to it that. You could set that 202 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: up so easily now. But Reggie would have been I 203 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: mean just incredible. Do you listen everything. You know, nothing's 204 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: perfect now everybody is like on the it's great for everybody. 205 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: I imagine some players will like the money more than 206 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: they will their sport. You know, it's like it's been 207 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: the knock on Juju Smith Schuster, he's better on TikTok 208 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: than Sunday. Sometimes. Yeah. The consequence of it is there 209 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: anything you look at and go oh, that'll be a 210 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: little that'll get a little crazy. Maybe it's just one 211 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: more step to the irrelevance of the NC double A. 212 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: And it's you know, the conferences have the powers and 213 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: there's a hierarchy there, and then ncable A is just 214 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: slowly releguishing, you know, their their influence, because what are 215 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: they gonna do. As soon as the SEC says hey 216 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: we're out, what are they gonna It's just like an agree. 217 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: It's just like kind of like all right, we're part 218 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: of your thing. There's no like lawsuit that happened. Like 219 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: they're just gone like see you later. So I don't 220 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: it's really um for a lot of people that are 221 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 1: just like, hey, rules or rules and this is how 222 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: it's done, you know, tradition over the truth kind of thing. 223 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. It's just the 224 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: world's different. The cats out of the bag. The guys 225 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: know how much influence they have now, like like like 226 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: you even said, the best ones, the best groups, the 227 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: best you know, licensing agreement. People are going to figure 228 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: this thing out and there's gonna be five or six 229 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: that are really good at what they do, and they're 230 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: going to sign all the athletes and they'll have a 231 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: bunch of you know, recruiting power and money and all that, 232 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: and they'll they'll they'll do it the right way. Um, 233 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: but NCABLE as essentially gone. I mean, what are they 234 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: gonna do. Some of these rules are so great. Like 235 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: if your state says, you know, we don't have many rules, 236 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: yet the ncable A laid out these loose guidelines. I mean, 237 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that 238 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: the NCAA doesn't come down on someone in one of 239 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: those states for not following these guidelines and they say, oh, 240 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: you use it as a recruiting tool or whatever, Like, 241 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: good luck with that one, because people are just gonna 242 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: go nuts, Like one stamp allowed this and then they 243 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: try and slap somebody on the risk for it. 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So if the game means more to you, 277 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: download the free Action Network app and start betting smarter. 278 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: There was was a sense Kirk curb Street and I 279 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: talked about this one time where USC was very interesting, 280 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: the Miami Hurricanes in USC. I think college football misses 281 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: both they're big city grants and college football now feels 282 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: a little southern and a little rural dominated, and I 283 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: think there's room for a Miami or you know, University 284 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: of Washington's in Seattle, USC or a UCLA in Los Angeles. 285 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: So I imagine when you played there were agents around 286 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: the practice. I mean this idea that Miami in LA 287 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: that's where all the agents are. Like when you were 288 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: a Trojan, weren't there agents around the field? Oh? I mean? 289 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: And it's not like the main guy like Tom Condon 290 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: and Dave Dunn didn't just like walk on our practice 291 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: field unless they had like a relative or somebody. But 292 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: like there's people that work for all these guys that 293 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: like handle this. And while they're saying these rules are like, 294 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: you know you can't this can't be um an agency 295 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: that that's directly affiliated. Well, if you have any kind 296 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: of affiliation with an agency and now you're into this name, 297 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: image likeness deal, and that's what you do. You go 298 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: basically market for these players. But you have a relationship 299 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: with CIA or athletes first or whoever. You're gonna just 300 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: feed these guys right to them, especially if they've made 301 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: you money, Like if this guy's making me a one 302 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: hundred two hundred thousand dollars in college and then says, hey, 303 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: these people will do your marketing just like we did, 304 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: and they have a football sports agency, you're gonna be 305 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: like all right, sweet dude, thanks, this was cool. But 306 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: the NCAA is like, no, you can't do that, Like 307 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: how how are you even going to regulate that? How 308 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: do you you know? I don't, I don't know. It's 309 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: just it's um. If you look at the history mark 310 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: of the NCAA, they only catch cheaters when some team 311 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: turns them in. It's not that they have this police 312 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: force that they catch. No, it's somebody calls in. It's 313 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 1: a rival, they lose a recruiting battle, Alabama or Auburn 314 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: snitch on. Tell me, yeah, you're you're you're telling me 315 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: nobody's No, nobody's called in on Alabama. They just don't 316 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: answer the phone when it's about Alabem. No. I actually 317 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: think Nick is smarter than everybody, and I think every 318 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think Nick can dissuade Obama booster 319 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: from given a hundred dollars. But I think Nick scares 320 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: some boosters, and Nick is the kind of guy he'll 321 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: cut a booster off. So I do think if you 322 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: have to have a coach with a presence like Clay Helton, 323 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: but like, but like, okay, if Alabama and Clemson are 324 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: taking the two best quarterbacks out of Orange County, California, 325 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: the ones who are supposed to go to USC in UCLA. 326 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: Like you know, like if I ask those guys in 327 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: high school, all right, show me Tuscaloosa and show me 328 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: wherever the hack Clemson is, Okay, go show me no cliff, 329 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: no clue. So I just think it's I just think 330 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: it's interesting. Maybe they have some sort of caller ID 331 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: at the NCAA office. It's just like, you know, the 332 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: old school call from our call regarding Alabama, and they 333 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: just click it to a voicemail. Do you think we're 334 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: not taking that? It is? It is weird. One of 335 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: the things I've said to friends, it's one thing of Ohio, 336 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: of California loses a player to say Texas, because Texas 337 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: has a little bit Austin has a little bit of 338 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: a West Coast vibe. Or Michigan. They're in the Rolls 339 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: Bowl all the time, Miami. But when I see California 340 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: losing players to the Deep South, my takeaway is, I 341 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: gotta be honest. I'm cynical, I am, but it's it's 342 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: it was even like when I was being recruited. It's 343 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: become more of a thing now because those teams are good, 344 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: so you see it. But when I was being recruited, 345 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: I remember my high school coach like, oh, I got 346 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: this letter from LSU. It's gonna be awesome. I want 347 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: to go there. He's like why. I was like, have 348 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: you seen their uniforms? And they have a real tiger 349 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: at the games? And he's like, do you even know 350 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: where Baton Rouge is? I was like, yeah, it's kind 351 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: of by New Orleans. He's like, yeah, okay, have you 352 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: ever been there? It's like, no, of course not. He's like, dude, 353 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: go through a couple game losing interceptions, these fans will 354 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: be pissing on you as you're walking out of the 355 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: stadium kind of thing. And I was like, oh, it's 356 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: like that. He's like, let's just do a little research 357 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: first before we decide on LSU. Okay. So I mean 358 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: I just had no clue because I grew up here 359 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: in California. And Okay, you talked about this all the time, 360 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: So everything's awesome, right. So if you, yeah, five star 361 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: athlete Mark Sanchez comes out today, what would be your 362 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: top five? Now? I mean, consider the state of usc 363 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 1: consider the state of Texas. What would be your top 364 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: five today and I want you to consider I want 365 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: you to consider name, image, likeness too. Yeah, so name 366 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: there's been. Likeness is a huge recruiting tool for USC, 367 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: and hopefully they can that can kind of prop them 368 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: up a little bit because there's so much available in LA. 369 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: But you gotta go with the big ones. It's Texas, 370 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: it's Alabama, it's Clemson, it's Ohio State. Those would definitely 371 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: be some visits for me. Maybe Notre Dame. I tripped 372 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: to Notre Dame in Ohio state when I was in 373 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: high school, trip to Texas, and I mean, those those 374 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: schools are the top ones. But I looked at who's 375 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: putting out quarterbacks and they happen to be doing it 376 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: an hour away from my house, right at USC with 377 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, Normchow, with Steve Sarkis and Lane Kivin. So 378 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: it was right there. Plus the other big factor for 379 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: me coming out was where am I going to be 380 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: for the rest of my life? Like if I go 381 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: get my degree in Baton Rouge, like, am I going 382 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: to settle down there? Am I going to live in Columbus, 383 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: Ohio for the rest of my life? I don't know, 384 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: but I could see myself at least coming home. So 385 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: if I can stay home and go to a great 386 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: university near home and that's where I want to live forever, 387 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: that might not be a bad gig. So it's a 388 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: little different coming out of California. But if I'm eighteen 389 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: years old, I mean, USC hasn't been great for a while, 390 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: so I would have been real little when even when 391 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: I was in the Rose Bowl, when you know I 392 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 1: would have seen them, I don't know, maybe had ten 393 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: years old, watched Sam Donald win the Rose Bowl. So 394 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: it's like they weren't like on the map, like you know, 395 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated cover Matt Weiner catching the reverse pass against 396 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: Michigan Carson Palmer first pick overall holding his Bengals jersey, 397 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't have had that influence for these kids 398 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: in Orange County. Now, that's why the Djelaise and who's 399 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: the kid from Yeah Bryce Young? Thank you from hotter Day. 400 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: I mean the fact that both of those guys left 401 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: the state. That's I mean, Ed Ozron said this. I 402 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: went to go visit them two years ago, right before 403 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: they go bananas and on their big run with Joe 404 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: Burrow and all that. I went to a team meeting, 405 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: and Edo's run recruited the heck out of me from 406 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: USC or two USC. And then he ended up leaving 407 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: right when I was getting there. But we remained close, 408 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: we remained cool. He let me walk in. The first 409 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: thing he did was put my arm, put his arm 410 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 1: around me, and he walked me in his office at LSU, 411 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: and he handed me some thirty pound dumbbells and he's 412 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: got this rack of weights in his office and he said, hey, 413 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: get a little let's get a little onworking. Come on, 414 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: come on now, Hey, don't forget the shoulders now, don't 415 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: forget those shoulders. And I'm like, oh my god, he said, hey, 416 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: how you deady dois? He's still fighting in files out? 417 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: Damn may toasts on bitch now. It was just wearing 418 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: me out. It's like it's like we literally hung up 419 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: the recruiting phone call. And then I showed up in 420 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: his office, you know, fifteen years later and nothing changed, 421 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: and it was awesome. But he and I looked back 422 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: on when SC was USC and he was just like, man, 423 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: I mean, we used to see other coaches show up 424 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: in southern California to recruit players at high schools. Okay, 425 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: he's like, this was when the sec interlock on our 426 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: polo held a lot away. Okay. We would see other 427 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: coaches show up at high schools and we would look 428 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: at them and be like, are you guys on vacation? 429 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: What are you doing? Like why are you here? You 430 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: don't even belong here. Look at this, look at this 431 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: sc interlock. Get out of here, enjoy your time at 432 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: the montage. Okay, Like yeah, it was. That was the 433 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: way it was. It was a big deal. So that's 434 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: the best ors you're on. I'm seriously, I've heard twenty 435 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: of them. That is the best one, easily. Here's the 436 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: other thing. I didn't realize that they don't like you 437 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: doing that impersonation at least I don't know if it's 438 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: coach ore On personally or the school or it's like, 439 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: you know this like Cajun kind of thing or whatever. 440 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: But I spoke to the team like out of nowhere, 441 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: says I got a quarterback here that I know very 442 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: well played in the NFL, blah blah. He wants to 443 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: talk to the team, And I was like, I don't 444 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: want to talk to the team. I wanted to come 445 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: watch the team. I was in here to talk to 446 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: the team, and he said, no, come on up, you know, 447 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: And so I did Coacho's impression in front of the 448 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: team and these guys were like, nobody does that, bro. 449 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: So Burrow kind of said that after, like, oh yeah, 450 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's not really like that cool. I's like, oops, 451 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: He's like you're pretty good though, Oh my god, oh man, 452 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: all right, you know. So yeah, there's an NFL topic 453 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: here that a couple of years Sean McVay said I'm 454 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: not going to play any starters in the preseason and 455 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: people went whoa, whoa, whoa whoa right out September football 456 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: and he went eight, no, and everybody in the NFL. 457 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: I talked to people in the NFL that were like, 458 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: that was a sort of a moment of clarity, like 459 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: this preseason stupid. And then Brady before we left New England, 460 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: I think a year or two before, I said I'm 461 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: not going to do the offseason workouts. I'm gonna go 462 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: to Costa Rica and throw the football. And then Aaron 463 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: Rodgers now is like, why, I know the offense? What 464 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: am I doing? And there's a there's a mental health 465 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: aspect to it that I kind of like, what players 466 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: are doing. Is that mark after your third year? I mean, 467 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: if you have the same basic offensive coordinator a system, 468 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: there's not a lot you can learn in OTAs unless 469 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: you have a rookie receiver that you really have to 470 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: work on. I do like the one thing about the NFL, 471 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: and it's it's borrowing a little bit of a page 472 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: from the NBA. I like that star players can be like, no, no, 473 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: I get to say too, like I'm not going to 474 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: go to OTAs. We don't need to go to these 475 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: mini camps. Where's there ever a time in New York 476 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: or in your career that you looked around and thought, man, 477 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: some of this stuff is repetition. Nobody's getting no veterans 478 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: getting anything out of this. At certain points, Yes, I 479 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: totally understand where you're I'm from, But a lot of 480 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: these teams have so many moving parts, right, you need 481 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: just at least a couple of days. I think, does 482 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: it have to be as long as it is now? 483 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: I don't think so, especially, And it's very subjective to 484 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: the team and the players you have. Like the first 485 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 1: couple of years in New York, it could have been 486 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: me and like some of the younger players, but the 487 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: older guys, they didn't have to be there, like the Vases, 488 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: the bart Scotts, the calvin Paces, like most of the 489 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: old line like they. I don't know if it did 490 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: anything for them other than just made sure that they're 491 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: kind of in shape. Right, But if you can trust 492 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: those guys to be gone and show up ready to go, 493 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: then what are you worried about? So I understand where 494 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: where these guys are coming from, and they're coming off 495 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: a year where they did no offseason, right, just meetings 496 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: last year. So that kind of gets you know, it 497 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: takes something big like that, you know, monumental to earth 498 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: shattering or something to change the way we move forward. Right, 499 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: Like if somebody said you have to wear a mask 500 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: around on the subway or on a bus or in 501 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: the grocery store three years ago, you'd be like, what 502 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: are you talking about, the stupidest thing I've ever heard. 503 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,479 Speaker 1: But because of what was going on, people were like, Hey, 504 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: it's you know, we might want to do that to 505 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: save people's life, you know, So okay, we're gonna do that. 506 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: You know, Metal detectors in the airport. I remember picking 507 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: up my brother from college when he come home. We've 508 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: walked right to the gate. I'd almost like walk in 509 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: the jetway and go like give him a big hug 510 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: because he was my big brother and he was gone 511 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 1: from college. Well, you just can't do that anymore because 512 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: there's you know, people out there that took advantage of 513 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: that and it's awful. So that became like a thing 514 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: like oh, okay, I got to walk through this metal detector. 515 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: They're gonna check all my stuff. So it takes something 516 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: to change the way you do things moving forward. And 517 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,239 Speaker 1: now after this this post COVID World and NFL, then 518 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: the star players have kind of taken that like, well, 519 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: what are we really doing? I could run practices with 520 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: my guys. We can do all this stuff. Just send me, 521 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: send me the call sheets, send me some of our 522 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: meeting stuff from the air, give us, you know, stuff 523 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: to work on. We'll handle it. And especially if you 524 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: have somebody like Tom Brady, that's like the ultimate example. 525 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: But any of these guys can do that, and they 526 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: should do that. Because when we had guys come out 527 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: for Jets West and the Eagles version Nest West, that 528 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: was that was when I learned the most is because 529 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: I had to teach the guys like it's one thing 530 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: to hear it and then regurgitate it and then go 531 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: perform it. But then when you have to teach everybody else, Hey, 532 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: this is the formation. Here's how we run this. Here's 533 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: why we're running these motions this way. Here's why we 534 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: need the timing so perfect on this because we're trying 535 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: to get a half man advantage on this option route 536 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: when we go from you know, a two by two 537 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: set to a three by one set to run our 538 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: you know, rub routes and all that kind of stuff. 539 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: Here's why you both have an arc release. Here's why 540 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: you missed the snap count, Julian Edelman on your option routes, 541 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: to let things declare and giving opportunity to take in 542 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: information and then decide so I can see it, and 543 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: so I save your ass from the whole player because 544 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: I'm looking him off for half a second that you wait, boom, 545 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: Now we both start looking at the same time. We 546 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: gathered the same information and make the right decision, Like 547 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: I didn't know that, Like you kind of know that, 548 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: but you have to really know it if you're going 549 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: to teach it right. So that was probably the most 550 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: educational part for me, was doing it on my own 551 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: with just scripts and old play call sheets and stuff 552 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: with the guys, because then you get the discussions going. 553 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: Guys aren't scared to ask questions to a coach like 554 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: oh he's gonna cut me or something. It's not like that. 555 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: It's just the guys. And so Brady's done a great 556 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: job of that, and I'm sure Aaron can do that. 557 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's a no brainer for those guys. 558 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: How long how many days did you have to be 559 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: deep into a playbook for like a Justin Fields, for 560 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: literally for Justin Fields to go Okay, I can do this. 561 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: It's not refined, but I can do this. How long 562 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: do you think it'll take him? How many practices? Literally 563 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: how many practices before he's like, okay, I can run 564 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: the offense. I got ninety percent of it down. Yeah, 565 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: I'll figure out the other tenant while we're going. You 566 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: got to go through I'd think, you know this is 567 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: you know me kind of on my own thinking quickly here, 568 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: but I'd want to go through all ten to fifteen 569 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: installs at least twice me personally, just run all the 570 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: place twice, and then I'd like to be able to 571 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: do him in situations, right, because the first time you 572 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: do it, you're just kind of running plays. But then 573 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: you got to categorize those plays in do situations? Are 574 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: we backed up? Are we go line? Is a red zone? 575 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: Is it third down? Is it third? In? Short? Medium? Long? 576 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: Two minute? Okay, what are the rules within this mini game? 577 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: What's the objective? And how does this play that I've 578 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: now memorized fit in. I've run it, I've run it 579 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: versus a couple different beverages. But now in this situation, 580 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: because it's a you know, whatever type of progression, read 581 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: some things get eliminated because it's third and short or 582 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: third medium, and you know, I don't need to throw 583 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: the ball fifty yards down the field, even though that 584 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: might be an alert on first and second down, Yeah, 585 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: alert the hell out of that thing. But on third down, 586 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: that's not really the goal here. We're not trying to 587 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: throw a thirty yard bomb on third and three. We're 588 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,239 Speaker 1: just trying to get a first down potentially right now, 589 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: the guy's wide open, of course, But those kind of things, 590 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: those were the things that that get you to that 591 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: next level where you start to play free, where you 592 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: start to play a little faster. So I'd love to 593 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: see him go through. It's got to be at least 594 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: twenty practices at least to feel just to feel really good. Right, 595 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: we've installed it, I'll install it again. Let's install on Zoom, 596 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: and then let's go practice it a bunch of tuns. 597 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: You know, something like that would be would be good enough, 598 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: at least if I was his coordinator, to feel like, Okay, 599 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: he's seen it, but you almost want to like you 600 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: want to do the best way, in my opinion, because 601 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: everybody learns a little different. You show them on the board, right, 602 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: or the film like, that's kind of the same. Right, 603 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: you're showing him pictures and routes and all that. But 604 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: then I want them to walk through it, and then 605 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: I want them to run like full speed. That's it. 606 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: Usually when you do it those three times, you're good, 607 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: So Zoom can be one of them. Then the walkthrough 608 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: you'd like to do in person or you know, right 609 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: before you go out to practice, and then you go 610 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: run that exact play. That's kind of the method they 611 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: use because some guys need to do it physically. Some 612 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: guys need to do it full speed physically. Some guys 613 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: just look at a piece of paper and they're like, yeah, 614 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: I got it, So twenty would be probably the max. Yeah, so, 615 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: I mean the bottom line is, Matt Naggie and justin Fields, 616 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna get that twenty by about your second preseason game. 617 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: I mean twenty really intentional. Oh yeah, I mean you 618 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: could do ten zooms, ten installs and then do it 619 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: over again. You're good. I'd be pretty much it, and 620 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: then you'd be ready to play a season. Then you're 621 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,919 Speaker 1: gonna figure out how to play, how to run those 622 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: plays in the in the right situations, because they're gonna 623 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: come up in all different variants right of those plays. Okay, Rando, 624 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 1: final question, so stupid? When college or pro, you gotta lead, 625 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna win the game. Have you ever just screwed 626 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 1: around in the huddle, like literally, you know the game's 627 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: over and you're just you're you're an alpha male. You're 628 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: in there and you just it's a really free feeling 629 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm gonna just make a joke. Or 630 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: does that ever happen? I mean, well, the hot dog 631 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: incident comes to mind. Okay, tell people about this. We're 632 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: just I mean, we win our first three games, we 633 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,240 Speaker 1: lose our next three. Rex got one of the highlight 634 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: videos from usc and and then spliced it together with 635 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: the highlights of our first couple games with the Jets. 636 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: So it's like this back and forth, awesome montage of plays. 637 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: And I was so nervous going into this Raiders game 638 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: because I had rented out like a suite for my 639 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: family because everybody from California came, and I didn't eat. 640 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: I just couldn't eat. I was so nervous for this 641 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: damn game. And we end up, I mean, before the game, 642 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: JaMarcus Russell's flicking the ball like seventy yards on his knee, 643 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, little did I know 644 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: he was gonna throw, you know, like four picks and 645 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: not play very well. We beat the brakes off, and 646 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: we ran it up and down on him. We threw 647 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 1: it well, and so I was just dying on the 648 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: sides and I asked one of the guys. There's guys 649 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: all over the field. If you watch closely on the 650 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: TV cut up, you'll see it. But they have these 651 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 1: white shirts, they got the NFL logo and blue shorts 652 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: like these you know, royal blue shorts, and they're just 653 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 1: they're helping out with any Water Football's Gatoray Union and 654 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: so I grabbed one of him and I was like, hey, 655 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: but I need some food. I'm like really hungry. I 656 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: haven't eaten all day. I'm pretty much out of the game. 657 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: I think we're up like thirty eight nothing. And so 658 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: he said, yeah, I can get you like a power bar. 659 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 1: You want something like that, or a granola bar. And 660 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: I was like, I need something with a little I 661 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: need something else. What do you guys? Like? Do you 662 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: want me to go to like the concession stand? And 663 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, yeah, if the line is 664 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: not crazy long. He's like, it can't be long. You're 665 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: kicking their ass. Everybody's going. I was like, yeah, okay, 666 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: well just grab me a hot dog or cheeseburger or 667 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 1: something and get some mustard and I'm good. So I 668 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: tried to do it covered up, and yeah, they they 669 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: zoomed right in on me doing that. But gosh, there, 670 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,959 Speaker 1: I can't I can't say some of the funny things 671 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 1: in the huddles because I can't, you know, talk about 672 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: any guys. But there was it gets light when it's over, 673 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: and you know, and it's like, you know, we're just 674 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 1: basically running the clock out. There is no better feeling, 675 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: because you're excited for the plane ride home, you're excited 676 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: for the dinner after the game, you're excited just to 677 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: be with the guys. So, guys are Jason Witten was 678 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: the all time best at this So what do you mean? 679 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: What do you mean? You got to ask Wit? Because 680 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: I went in against the Browns. Dak played awesome, Zeke 681 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: played awesome. We had to convert a third down boom 682 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: when we're done, and and he has, you got to 683 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: ask Jason Witten. I can't, I can't. You got to 684 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,320 Speaker 1: get him on his show. Um, I can't steal this thunder, 685 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 1: but he'll explain it. Totally appreciate it, all right, buddy, 686 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: that was easy, Breezy. Appreciate it. Mark san Chaz, by 687 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: the way, at the Volume Sports, Twitter, Instagram, rate review, subscribe, 688 00:37:46,920 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: awesome man, have a great week. Appreciate the volume.