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Speaker 1: Y'all, if you miss last week's episode with District Attorney

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Speaker 1: Ben David, it would benefit you to go back and

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Speaker 1: listen to it. He is an incredible speaker, and he

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Speaker 1: lays the case out against Timothy, I and One beautifully.

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Speaker 1: He walks us through it, just like the mind of

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Speaker 1: a prosecutor would, succinctly and based on facts. My sister

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Speaker 1: Charlene and I have walked the same streets as Jack

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Speaker 1: the Ripper. We strolled the same streets as his victims.

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Speaker 1: We went at night, in the dark and fog, just

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Speaker 1: after midnight. White Chapel is still a red light district.

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Speaker 1: A hundred years later. I was amazed at how even

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Speaker 1: now sex workers are unseen, unnoticed, even purposely ignored by others. Now,

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Speaker 1: there are many reasons for this, and there's many reasons

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Speaker 1: they're selected by killers. One nobody's gonna care. Two, she

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Speaker 1: makes it easy to gain access to her. Three she

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Speaker 1: will go with you willingly, and nobody's gonna look twice.

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Speaker 1: Four nobody's gonna call the police. On April two, eight

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Speaker 1: skeletal remains were found off Carolina Beach Road in Wilmington,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina. It was soon even more horrifying and sinister

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Speaker 1: when it was discovered to be the remains of not one,

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Speaker 1: but two victims. Later, these victims were identified as Alison

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Speaker 1: Foy and Angela Nobles Rossing. Police could find no connection

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Speaker 1: in these two victims. They didn't know each other. They

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Speaker 1: didn't go to the same church, it's the same grocery store,

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Speaker 1: they didn't have the same friendship circle. They could find

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Speaker 1: nothing that these two victims had in common except where

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Speaker 1: they lived. The second victim in this case, Angela Noble Rossen,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you straight out, was a prostitute. I

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Speaker 1: had a prosecutor years ago. Tell me, if you don't

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Speaker 1: say it first, the jury will always think you've got

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Speaker 1: something to hide. We don't have anything to hide here.

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Speaker 1: This is just a fact about her life. It's one fact.

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Speaker 1: It's not her whole life. It's not all of who

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Speaker 1: she was. And I will tell you. In my forty years,

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Speaker 1: I've worked with many different police departments and sheriff's departments

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Speaker 1: and prosecutor offices. I've worked probation victim witness I have

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Speaker 1: never worked with one prostitute that was not first a victim.

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Speaker 1: Not once we got to visit with Lisa Valentino and

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Speaker 1: hear her talk about her sister Alison lovingly and just

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Speaker 1: with such a heartache steal. That bond she still has

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Speaker 1: with Alison is remarkable. And this week we get to

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Speaker 1: visit with Karna, the sister of Angela Rossa, and Karina

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Speaker 1: is gonna walk us through what their life was like.

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Speaker 1: Their life was very different than Lisa and Allison's, but

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Speaker 1: you still have that sister bond. If you remember, Alison

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Speaker 1: had some struggles, she moved to Wilmington's to try to

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Speaker 1: save her marriage. Angela had some struggles too. There was

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Speaker 1: some drug use, there was some dependency, she struggled with

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Speaker 1: that addiction, she struggled with personal relationships, She struggled with

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Speaker 1: being in and out of jail for different crimes. And

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Speaker 1: Angela rothen was a sex worker and because of that

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Speaker 1: increase the likelihood that she would meet someone that would

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Speaker 1: want to do her harm. In law enforcement, we look

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Speaker 1: at risk factors. Anytime we're doing a victimology. You certainly

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Speaker 1: sit down at one point and say, Okay, the risk

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Speaker 1: factors to this victim is our suspect. Pool broader are

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Speaker 1: more narrow. So, for example, if you are a third

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Speaker 1: grade teacher who was married with four children. You typically

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Speaker 1: go to work, you're at the school house all day,

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Speaker 1: then you might swing by the grocery store, and then

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Speaker 1: you're probably going straight home. Someone like Angela, she meets

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Speaker 1: all kinds of people that are mostly strangers or have

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Speaker 1: So for Angela, she's gonna know drug dealers, she's gonna

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Speaker 1: know other sex workers, and she's going to know people

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Speaker 1: Angela's life was much more at risk, her behavior much

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Speaker 1: more at risk than the teacher. I'm just trying to

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Speaker 1: wasn't more risk than Alison Foy. Now, Angela and Alison,

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Speaker 1: they didn't know each other. Law enforcement could never make

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Speaker 1: a connection where these two had even crossed paths briefly.

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Speaker 1: The two families could not put it together. There is

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Speaker 1: nothing that says they ever met even for a moment.

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Speaker 1: Even though they didn't know each other, it certainly would

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Speaker 1: suffice to say the killer knew them both, and the

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Speaker 1: killer came into contact with them both. We have the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to speak with a sister of Angela Nobles Rothin.

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Speaker 1: Angela was forty two years old, a mother, a sister,

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Speaker 1: two thousand seven. Karina, thank you so much for being

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Speaker 1: here and welcome to his own seven. Thank you. Now,

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Speaker 1: you and I have talked before, and you are one

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Speaker 1: The last time I saw her was on her granddaughter's

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Speaker 1: her about a week or two later, and that's the

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Speaker 1: comes July and she's gone. She hadn't been missing, and

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Speaker 1: then in the oh eight her main her remains were found. Now,

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Speaker 1: your first thoughts. The last time I saw her was

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Speaker 1: on her granddaughter's third birthday party. I left that day.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say bye too, I didn't tell I loved her,

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Speaker 1: because I thought I would see her again. And about

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Speaker 1: a week later she had called me and I talked

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Speaker 1: to her. Next thing, I know, July, she had went missing,

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Speaker 1: and from what my family was telling me is I

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Speaker 1: had moved away and then oh eight roped around and

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Speaker 1: her remains were found. And when you first learned she

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Speaker 1: had gone missing, what was your first thought? To be honest,

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Speaker 1: I really didn't know what the thing because she was

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Speaker 1: birthday and their anniversary. She never called them like she

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Speaker 1: always did, and that's when we really knew something was wrong.

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Speaker 1: And patterns matter, people's habits matter, So when those patterns

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Speaker 1: are broken or those habits are broken, that's usually a

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Speaker 1: pretty good flag. And then, yes, now she had some

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Speaker 1: hard times, there's no question about it. Tell us about

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Speaker 1: a couple of them. She was into drugs, what draw

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Speaker 1: her drew her took the drugs I'll never notice, and

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Speaker 1: the prostitution she was in that so you don't know

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Speaker 1: anything in her background, any victimization in her background, what

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Speaker 1: made her do the drugs and the prostitution. I don't

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Speaker 1: never know, because I really want around. I had moved away,

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Speaker 1: okay for a little while, so when she was younger.

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Speaker 1: You don't know anything about her being assaulted or mistreated

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Speaker 1: or abused in any way. No, me, my don't. Would

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Speaker 1: would because I've never known her to be mistreated or anything.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes folks that don't do what I do for a living,

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Speaker 1: them all the time, if you really want to know

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Speaker 1: what's going on in your community, see who was in

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Speaker 1: the jail. There's probably a whole lot more drug dealers

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Speaker 1: there are. And you know, when you start talking about

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Speaker 1: I know what you're trying to tell me, Cheryl, But

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Speaker 1: maybe her life was so risky because of things she

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Speaker 1: did and it was kind of on her. Let me

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Speaker 1: just stop you. I want you to think for a minute,

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Speaker 1: not about the sex worker, but the john. You think

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Speaker 1: his life. Every one of you, in your own separate state,

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Speaker 1: in your own city, has seen where they've done a

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Speaker 1: big prostitution sting. And every time they do it, they

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Speaker 1: literally standing on the street corner. But those John's, they're tricky,

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Speaker 1: they're sneaky. They're gonna go into the dark shadows in

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Speaker 1: the back alleys and they're gonna do things two young girls,

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Speaker 1: to quote their real life end quote where they're lying

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Speaker 1: to you. So I ask you who's the real criminal.

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Speaker 1: She wanted a better life, and she yes, she did.

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Speaker 1: She had gotten off the drugs and got clean, and

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Speaker 1: then she got back on on how long was she cleaned?

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe about a year. She wentn't clean very

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Speaker 1: long before she got back on on. That was ten

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Speaker 1: remains found. Did you feel like it was gonna be Angela?

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Speaker 1: Angela had false ta and she had accidentally dropped one

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Speaker 1: When she was murdered, she had this in her mouth,

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Speaker 1: and then we we all knew it was Angelo. I mean,

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Speaker 1: to identify somebody I've ever heard. Now more information came

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Speaker 1: So Angela's skull was fractured and bones in her face

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Speaker 1: was because her throat had been cut. Now, Allison was

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Speaker 1: her as well, but they were treated slightly different. Do

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Speaker 1: Did the prosecutor or police ever tell you why she

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Speaker 1: might have been treated differently? No, ma'am, the police that's

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Speaker 1: never spoke to me the first time about this. You've

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Speaker 1: never talked to the police even today. No, ma'am. That

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Speaker 1: was one that that they have talked to is her

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Speaker 1: because you would think, I mean, the daughter is going

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Speaker 1: to have some information and the mom will have some information.

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Speaker 1: But that's sister bond. You would have information the two

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Speaker 1: of them wouldn't have in this case. There's only one suspect,

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Speaker 1: Timothy iron One. I mean, there is nobody else. There's

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Speaker 1: not another person that has surface that has any real

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Speaker 1: credence to them. But did your sister know him? Do

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Speaker 1: him or not. If she did, she never said anything. Well,

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Speaker 1: he was known to do favors like give people a

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Speaker 1: crawls that you knew of for sure. How is her

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Speaker 1: How are you doing. I'm hanging in there, but I

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Speaker 1: still break down even now and then I have my

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Speaker 1: bad days and good days with it. What is your

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Speaker 1: fondest memory of Angela? It would have to beat She

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Speaker 1: loved Christmas. She always wanted to be home for Christmas.

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Speaker 1: She loved the holidays. I mean, she loved her family.

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Speaker 1: There were layers to her. I want people to absolutely

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Speaker 1: understand that when you hear what somebody does for a living,

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Speaker 1: Find or create a platform to keep your case, your

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