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Speaker 1: first guest, and Coulter. She has written thirteen New York
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Speaker 1: here tonight with you, Buck, here we go fantastic yes,
Speaker 1: so and tell me some things here first and foremost,
Speaker 1: what is top of mind for you in the country
Speaker 1: right now if you could fix let's start with that
Speaker 1: and fix one thing for me in America. What would
Speaker 1: it be. We need a big, beautiful wall. I was
Speaker 1: promised a big beautiful wall. But I mean, seriously, there's
Speaker 1: a reason. That's what carried this buffoon, Donald Trump to
Speaker 1: president in two thousand sixteen. Whether or not the talking
Speaker 1: heads appreciated or the New York Times appreciated, Americans voted
Speaker 1: for the big beautiful wall. And we're seeing under Biden
Speaker 1: the problem with him not having built that wall. Estimates
Speaker 1: are I mean, they've caught and released more than two
Speaker 1: million illegals. The estimates go up to five million only
Speaker 1: since Biden has been president. And I mean, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons not to like that with it's
Speaker 1: going to be suppressing, hurting the least among us those
Speaker 1: low wage workers who actually, surprisingly I will admit, didn't
Speaker 1: pretty well under Trump. Why because you know, with these
Speaker 1: temporary measures and a lot of it was just his rhetoric.
Speaker 1: He scared off illegals from trying to come based on
Speaker 1: the campaign, and then after you know, he was in
Speaker 1: office for about a year they realized he's not doing anything.
Speaker 1: We let's go back. But for the there's cultural reasons
Speaker 1: to care about this. We are the greatest country in
Speaker 1: the world and we do have So can I ask
Speaker 1: you this in because you've been you were the original
Speaker 1: on the argument here for well, first I mean first
Speaker 1: secure border that involved a wall, and in fact, Trump
Speaker 1: I believe early on was even telling people that he
Speaker 1: read Audios America, your book, and that this is where
Speaker 1: the idea for this largely largely came from. So I've
Speaker 1: been down to the border a bunch of times, no question,
Speaker 1: and I love this argument with libs. I've had it
Speaker 1: with them and they always get very, very frustrated. A
Speaker 1: wall helps And if you talk to border patrol, they'll
Speaker 1: say it absolutely is helpful because even in areas where
Speaker 1: the wall doesn't exist, there's fewer sorry, they can have
Speaker 1: fewer resources where they have no you know, where they
Speaker 1: have a wall versus where they have no wall, right,
Speaker 1: so they can kind of focus in on the high
Speaker 1: traffic areas of drugs. A high traffic problem though we
Speaker 1: got even if we had a wall, they are surrendering.
Speaker 1: This is what's going. So I want to know how
Speaker 1: we deal with that issue because people are showing up.
Speaker 1: The wall stops the drug traffickers, the single male migrants.
Speaker 1: When I say stops, you know, makes it harder for them, right,
Speaker 1: and makes border patrol's job easier. But you have family
Speaker 1: units that show up to the border wall or anywhere
Speaker 1: and essentially walk in and they say, hey, here, I
Speaker 1: am right. So and even in a wall situation, they
Speaker 1: go to a port of entry, they go to areas
Speaker 1: where you know, the wall isn't that big, they go
Speaker 1: over it, and now they say, I want asylum in
Speaker 1: your country. So what do we do about that? Well,
Speaker 1: we invent a time machine. We go back and make
Speaker 1: up keeper's promises to things about what you just said. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course they're they're going to be some entry points,
Speaker 1: but we want a big wall across the entire border,
Speaker 1: not the thirty three miles that Trump built. I do
Speaker 1: not think that if he had kept his promise, Biden
Speaker 1: would have come in, and a Biden wouldn't have come in.
Speaker 1: Trump would have won reelection if he had kept his promises.
Speaker 1: But moreover, even if even if a Democrat didn't come in,
Speaker 1: they're not going to rip down a wall. It took
Speaker 1: you know, like the Great Chinese Wall or the Great
Speaker 1: Wall of China. That's why we want a wall, because
Speaker 1: different administrations are going to have different policies and as
Speaker 1: long as the border is open, and it's just a
Speaker 1: matter of well, does the president want to protect American
Speaker 1: jobs or doesn't he want to protect American jobs? And
Speaker 1: part of what the Democrats just hauling the millions upon
Speaker 1: millions of illegals. In part of it is just a
Speaker 1: response to Trump. We were always worried about that that
Speaker 1: he can, on one hand, even back down, but he
Speaker 1: was so borish about making the points from Adios America
Speaker 1: and I don't need exactly make them in a Marquis
Speaker 1: to Queensberry's way, but he took it to another level,
Speaker 1: that whole Mexican rapist thing. Oh it's in my book,
Speaker 1: but I would have phrased it slightly differently as I did.
Speaker 1: And the reaction to Trump was was so the concern
Speaker 1: was he could end up making it worse and destroying
Speaker 1: these issues that a lot of people like but lots
Speaker 1: of others have been working on for years and caring
Speaker 1: about in the American people here about and I think
Speaker 1: we've seen that with the whole Democratic Party. If Trump
Speaker 1: was for it, we are against what Biden is doing
Speaker 1: at the border. Obomb would never have done. This is
Speaker 1: a This is an open border, I mean, right, if
Speaker 1: we're being honest about it, they're doing everything they can
Speaker 1: to make sure as many people as possible can stay
Speaker 1: at this point, and there's no interior enforcement. I mean,
Speaker 1: it has been funny. I'm sure you've seen the clips.
Speaker 1: These are real lips. We're not. This is not a
Speaker 1: joke in the sense that we're making this up. There
Speaker 1: are migrants who show up and they say I'm here
Speaker 1: because of Joe Biden. Right, they mean they're showing up
Speaker 1: and they're straight up saying, oh no, the cartels have
Speaker 1: told me this is a great time to get here
Speaker 1: because of Joe Biden. Yes, and two other things. I
Speaker 1: was going to mentionure in addition to changing the culture
Speaker 1: and really being very harmful to low wage workers, perhaps
Speaker 1: we should care about low wage workers. The other reason
Speaker 1: the Democrats I am a reaction Trump. The other reason
Speaker 1: the Democrats want this is manifestly because they want Third
Speaker 1: worlders to become US citizens and start voting. And what
Speaker 1: effects will that have? Oh, Republicans keep telling me that Hispanics,
Speaker 1: they're natural Republicans, natural Republicans. Well, oh my gosh, what
Speaker 1: happened to California. I had a young kid. I'm starting
Speaker 1: to a young kid this weekend. He was saying, I
Speaker 1: just don't understand why Californians vote for Gavin Newsom, because
Speaker 1: it's plurality Hispanic now and Hispanics may not like the
Speaker 1: trans stuff if you pass film, they may not like
Speaker 1: the abortion stuff, but they want welfare, they want the
Speaker 1: government aid, and they know they're going to get that
Speaker 1: from the Democrats. So the state that once gave us
Speaker 1: Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, you couldn't get elected dog
Speaker 1: catcher in California right now. And I mean, it's completely
Speaker 1: insane the things that Gavin Newsom is doing in California.
Speaker 1: I kind of hope that the Democrats do move Biden aside.
Speaker 1: Well be careful what you wish for, yea, But I
Speaker 1: don't think the rest of the country is ready for
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom. Did you see Eric Adams? I always want
Speaker 1: someone to explain this to me. Eric Adams is the
Speaker 1: mayor of New York City, and I would I would
Speaker 1: add not a good one just in case anyone's wondering,
Speaker 1: we were supposed to be, Oh, he's going to clean
Speaker 1: up all the streets and the problems that. No, no,
Speaker 1: that's actually not correct. But anyway, and it's really I
Speaker 1: think because a lot of entrenched interests from the Democrat
Speaker 1: machine in the City of New York are just no longer.
Speaker 1: If people knew what's really going on in the District
Speaker 1: Attorney's office and the woke loo to ticks who are
Speaker 1: the rank and file in places like that, now, they
Speaker 1: would they would flee for places where you could go,
Speaker 1: you know, off grid and uh and you know, may
Speaker 1: be sure that they had access to their own fresh
Speaker 1: drinking water. But he went to the southern border, and
Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating because he's there and migrants that
Speaker 1: he met with said, oh, we hear you take great
Speaker 1: care of us in New York, so we want to
Speaker 1: go to New York. So you're an al Paso, you're
Speaker 1: an illegal migrant. You're saying, well, I want to go
Speaker 1: to New York City. Meanwhile, New York City's mayor is
Speaker 1: also telling everybody, we can't afford the illegal migrants anymore.
Speaker 1: The city of Viewer can't afford them now. I just
Speaker 1: think this is so interesting because I thought we weren't
Speaker 1: allowed to say that they were a drain on public resources. Well,
Speaker 1: when when did we just stop to when did we
Speaker 1: skip to all of a sudden legal migrants are really expensive? Right? No?
Speaker 1: And I mean it does. I think it ought to
Speaker 1: remind people what a total hero and genius the governor
Speaker 1: of Florida is, Ron de Santos. That Martha's vineyard stunt
Speaker 1: was the most brilliant political stunt. That's what real media
Speaker 1: calls it, stunt, the most brilliant political stunt of my lifetime.
Speaker 1: Now you have the very very very progressive gay governor
Speaker 1: of Colorado doing the exact same thing. He's sending his
Speaker 1: illegals to New York. And suddenly these liberal states that
Speaker 1: in this home we believe, suddenly they get they get
Speaker 1: a look at what it's like having the Third World
Speaker 1: dumped in their towns and cities and schools and hospitals,
Speaker 1: and not so himp to it. Now, one other thing
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention before the moment passes. Obviously, I
Speaker 1: love our border security guards. They're the last people you
Speaker 1: want to check with on what's needed at the border.
Speaker 1: This used to drive me crazy when Trump would do it. Well,
Speaker 1: I've talked to them, and you see, it's very important.
Speaker 1: They want a wall they can see through. No, you
Speaker 1: don't check with the people whose job will be made
Speaker 1: obsolete by a big, beautiful wall. No, no no, no, we
Speaker 1: can have breaks in it here. It don't just be
Speaker 1: easier for us here. And look, I love them, but
Speaker 1: everyone is like this. You don't want something that's going
Speaker 1: to replace your job. You don't want. I mean you've
Speaker 1: probably seen but and I mean even so, I've still
Speaker 1: even even the double fence for example, people people do
Speaker 1: so so the border patrol guys, when when I've spoken
Speaker 1: them about, I've seen illegals crossing. I've seen the whole
Speaker 1: thing happen in real time. It's not hard because it's
Speaker 1: happening constantly, thousands and thousands of people a day, and
Speaker 1: because of the fence, they're slowed down. But there's always
Speaker 1: gonna be ways to get through. I mean, so I'm
Speaker 1: saying you're gonna need you need border patrol even with
Speaker 1: the wall. Right, Like if you have a if you
Speaker 1: have a moat and a high wall at your castle,
Speaker 1: you'll still need knights to defend the castle. Otherwise, you know,
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as a wall that's going to
Speaker 1: do the job entirely for it saying they will be
Speaker 1: completely gone. But that's not that they are not experts
Speaker 1: on how to keep people out of your country. You
Speaker 1: know who are experts. Israel is an expert. Check with
Speaker 1: them on their wall. The first year they put it
Speaker 1: up illegal in ration one down by I believe ninety percent.
Speaker 1: It may be more than ninety percent. That wasn't good
Speaker 1: enough for Israel. So their wall goes deep, deep, deep
Speaker 1: into the ground. Yes, they still have security guards and
Speaker 1: by the way, they have detention cells. I mean they
Speaker 1: have military. It's a military I've been to that border wall.
Speaker 1: It's a militarized border full on. Yep. Well maybe we
Speaker 1: should have them running our border checks. Put the Saudiast,
Speaker 1: by the way, are building a big fence too along
Speaker 1: quite militarized, I'm sure, along with the YEMENI So not
Speaker 1: the first time or the last time these sorts of
Speaker 1: things have been happening. There's a big one that I
Speaker 1: know of in China. There's a pretty famous one in
Speaker 1: the northern England as well. So you know, walls, walls
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Speaker 1: of the house. I want to ask you something, you
Speaker 1: know how these things there was all this bruha. However,
Speaker 1: who the Speaker of the House is going to be.
Speaker 1: There's a part of me that was amazed at what
Speaker 1: seemed like people caring so much about this. And I
Speaker 1: kept trying to generally tell everybody doesn't gonna affect your
Speaker 1: life at all. Is there a way we can start
Speaker 1: to tell people things like, hey, there are things to
Speaker 1: be fired up about, Like I think people should be
Speaker 1: much more fired up about. How, you know, fentonyl not
Speaker 1: to go back to the border thing, but fentyl is
Speaker 1: a drug scourge that is far worse than anything we've
Speaker 1: ever seen. In this country, and yet it's like not
Speaker 1: something that's focused on the news. Meanwhile, the news focused
Speaker 1: on the Speaker of the House issue with McCart Like,
Speaker 1: what do you make of all that? Did you? Did
Speaker 1: you care? Does it matter? Will it matter? My advice
Speaker 1: is cut the cord, don't watch cable. I think we're
Speaker 1: the only ones care. I generally have MSNBC on in
Speaker 1: the background just so I can monitor the enemy. But
Speaker 1: it's been pretty much January sixth. Oh there's and there
Speaker 1: was UK Crane for a while, and there's been one
Speaker 1: exciting new story that representative of Santos as at George
Speaker 1: Santos know their cover and that like January sixth and
Speaker 1: for the speaker vote. But then you would, you'd you'd
Speaker 1: go out on the street and talk to normal people,
Speaker 1: and no one, absolutely no one cared. Now as a
Speaker 1: political you know, nut as we are, and probably a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of your listeners and my readers are.
Speaker 1: I actually think it was a great thing. I think
Speaker 1: they got a lot of good concessions out of McCarthy.
Speaker 1: I think they're a lot of great Republicans. There are
Speaker 1: a few things that were stupid about it, but by
Speaker 1: and large, I mean, we ended up avoiding having Dan
Speaker 1: Crenshaw as head of Homeland Committee in the House. That's
Speaker 1: a good thing right there, And it's sort of it's
Speaker 1: always good to scare Republican politicians, especially Republican politicians who
Speaker 1: have been there for a while, the ones who would
Speaker 1: like to go establishment. Listen to the donors. Give them
Speaker 1: a good scare every once in a while. Yeah, brush
Speaker 1: back pitch. I think I've learned a lot of sports
Speaker 1: from Clay by the way we talk about these things now,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sort of like, yeah, that's a that's
Speaker 1: I can't even think of anything off the top of
Speaker 1: my head now, but that's a sports thing that people
Speaker 1: get excited about. But a brush back pitch, that's one
Speaker 1: that I know now, which I think is important for
Speaker 1: some Republicans, especially of the more establishment variety. What happened
Speaker 1: in your mind in the midterm election? What was the issue?
Speaker 1: Because I've started to see now finally I think people
Speaker 1: recognizing that there were some big problems. I know it
Speaker 1: was a few months ago, but I think I got
Speaker 1: a bit of your analysis. I wanted to hear a
Speaker 1: little more of what you think went down. Well, I
Speaker 1: think too many people in the Republican Party, conservative media donors.
Speaker 1: I think, as I've been trying to advise them, they've
Speaker 1: just been too afraid of Trump, and they were too
Speaker 1: what did to Trump? We have to run a candidate
Speaker 1: who was sucking up to Trump. We have to earn well.
Speaker 1: He's saying, you have to make the number one issue
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty election, and he's a paper tiger.
Speaker 1: They shouldn't have done that. Republicans who were not wedded
Speaker 1: and beholden to Trump, I think did reasonably well. I
Speaker 1: mean Blake Masters when I saw his debate with Mark
Speaker 1: Kelly that was in Arizona, the astronaut incumbent Democrat running
Speaker 1: against this Blake Masters backed heavily by Silicon Valley's Peter Teel.
Speaker 1: When I saw that debate, I thought, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: Blake Masters is the smartest guy, perhaps who has ever
Speaker 1: run for the United States Center. He was so good,
Speaker 1: so good. And then two days before the election, it's
Speaker 1: all over the Internet and Fox News Blake getting a
Speaker 1: call from Donald's Trump and acting like he's a teenage
Speaker 1: girl talking to Justin Bieber. He's calling me, He's calling me,
Speaker 1: and what is Trump haranguing him about you're not making
Speaker 1: twenty twenty then number one election when Trump showed up
Speaker 1: in Ohio and I love JD. Vanton he showed up
Speaker 1: in Ohio, I don't know. The day before the election
Speaker 1: held people working for Jdvans saying if I lived in Ohio,
Speaker 1: I've been voting against Jdvans just because of this speech.
Speaker 1: This is just get away from him. He won the
Speaker 1: nomination run on your own two feet, and so obviously
Speaker 1: that I'm not alone in that analysis the Trump Act
Speaker 1: candidates and the ones that ended up winning nominations because
Speaker 1: people were afraid, oh, but what if we don't get
Speaker 1: the Trump voters? What if we don't get the Trump voters?
Speaker 1: And the other issue. So Trump was a total disaster
Speaker 1: for the mid terms, and I think luckily people have
Speaker 1: seen that now, so it won't we hopefully won't have
Speaker 1: the same thing happened in presidential Asia and the other one.
Speaker 1: You know. I've been pro life pretty much my whole life.
Speaker 1: I've written articles on it in the Human Life Review
Speaker 1: back when I was practicing law. I've had debates on
Speaker 1: it at Ivy League campuses. I am pro life. I
Speaker 1: think it was stupid for some of these states. I
Speaker 1: mean the most one of the most important things is
Speaker 1: getting rid of the monstrosity of Roe v. Wade and
Speaker 1: the idea that this really terrible thing, an abortion, is
Speaker 1: a constitutional right, that that's what our framers we're thinking of. Okay,
Speaker 1: so yea, we won pop Champagne. It goes back to
Speaker 1: the states, and I think most of the states again
Speaker 1: I will credit run to Santas and Florida and a
Speaker 1: lot of states did this. Republicans just jumped in and
Speaker 1: said abortions for the first would vary twelve weeks, seven weeks,
Speaker 1: fifteen weeks, sixteen weeks, and that's it, and that's it.
Speaker 1: And that seems after looking at the internal election, that
Speaker 1: seems to be the consensus position. And I don't think
Speaker 1: it's hypocritical for pro lifers or Republicans to take that position.
Speaker 1: You can say I would never have an abortion. I
Speaker 1: would counsel anyone in my family or anyone anyone I
Speaker 1: could talk to don't have an abortion. But you're talking
Speaker 1: about a law that probably would would. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: hard to say this is a human life and this
Speaker 1: isn't a crime. There's got to be a penalty, there's
Speaker 1: got to be a fine. There could be, as one
Speaker 1: of Trump's candidates was suggesting a murder charge for the woman.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's got to be something. And I think
Speaker 1: people who are even pro life are saying, I don't
Speaker 1: want the law to say that though I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: an abortion, and I do think this is a human life,
Speaker 1: and Republicans have got to stop doing I mean some
Speaker 1: of these states and some of the bills, No, it's
Speaker 1: a life from the moment of conception, and will prosecute
Speaker 1: the woman for for murder? I mean it becomes sometimes Republicans.
Speaker 1: We saw this a lot with the Tea Party, and
Speaker 1: I think we saw it too much of it in
Speaker 1: the midterms. And that is this idea, I mean, this
Speaker 1: Todd Aiken thing of you know, watch this, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make the basket from over my shoulder. No,
Speaker 1: don't show off to the zealots. We're trying to save
Speaker 1: a country here. Who could save the country. I mean
Speaker 1: we were just talking a second ago about obviously Trump,
Speaker 1: which just so you know, whenever you do, you get
Speaker 1: I get all the emails that are agree. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not Ann's keeper, Like I don't know what to
Speaker 1: tell peof I'm not in charge of the culture flame
Speaker 1: when it starts. You know, it's amazing to be because
Speaker 1: I just I want your viewers to know Buck Sexton
Speaker 1: is my keeper. If you have complaints, email Buck. I
Speaker 1: mean they do, They're like, how dare you have that? Wo?
Speaker 1: But I'm like, first of all, like, if we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about people's credentials, uh, and you know and and
Speaker 1: I know each other personally, people's credentials and conservative movement,
Speaker 1: there has to be a level at which one's conservatism
Speaker 1: is not a thing that we're going to really sort
Speaker 1: of question anymore based on a political candidate or whatever.
Speaker 1: I would think that we could get there at some
Speaker 1: point because people are like, she's become a she's become
Speaker 1: a liberal, and I'm like, no, no, she's definitely definitely
Speaker 1: hasn't become a liberal. I get those angry emails, but
Speaker 1: who can Okay, So if it's I don't want to
Speaker 1: ask you what if it is Trump, because I know
Speaker 1: you think and and I have a bet for full disclosure,
Speaker 1: you think that there's just no way, like, there's no
Speaker 1: way it's gonna be Trump this go round. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's a. I mean, I think it's a fifty
Speaker 1: fifty shot that that's gonna be Trump this time round.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be Trump or De Santists. That's
Speaker 1: my that's my guess. And so I might be in
Speaker 1: this position where I'm like, better Trump than the Commies. Right,
Speaker 1: we could all agree on that, sou because then we
Speaker 1: to lose in the Commies will have eight years to
Speaker 1: destroy our country instead of for well, I mean, they're
Speaker 1: they're gonna win one way or the other. I figure, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's unfortunate, but I think I think
Speaker 1: there's a Democrat beat De Santist. I don't think there
Speaker 1: is a Democrat who could not beat Trump. I do
Speaker 1: think that Democrats desperately want to run against Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: To that end, I have to ask you m the
Speaker 1: theory that's out there right now about the classified documents thing.
Speaker 1: This is another area, by the way, because you know,
Speaker 1: when I was in the CIA, we were just the
Speaker 1: classified documents stuff. It's so, I mean, just everything is classified.
Speaker 1: Like the sandwich that I had, uh you know, three
Speaker 1: weeks ago, is classified. Everything is classified. Everything is going
Speaker 1: to help China defeat us in the nuclear war. That's coming.
Speaker 1: It's really it gets a little bit crazy that all
Speaker 1: said this theory that they're trying to get rid of
Speaker 1: Biden with this. I think that the simple answer is
Speaker 1: usually I'm an Okham's razor guy. I think the simple
Speaker 1: answer is usually the better answer. I think Joe Biden
Speaker 1: is a reckless dumbass, and that is the situation with
Speaker 1: the documents. I don't think there's some grand conspiracy. Do
Speaker 1: you think there's a conspiracy? I don't know. No, no, no.
Speaker 1: I think this is probably because there are so many
Speaker 1: actual conspiracies against right wingers. I do think Republicans and
Speaker 1: even friends of mine can be a little too conspiracy minded.
Speaker 1: They may end up shiving Biden. It could happen, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna know what happens. It's not gonna be this
Speaker 1: bank shot with the class of odgers. No. I think
Speaker 1: the only reason they're acting like this, Oh, we're taking
Speaker 1: this very seriously is because they've just done it to Trump.
Speaker 1: And I totally agree with you. I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was a big deal with Trump. Of the three cases,
Speaker 1: Hillary Clint hoarding classified documents and having her private emails,
Speaker 1: Biden ending up with these classified doctors no, we don't
Speaker 1: know what's in them. And the Trump one, I think
Speaker 1: the only one that was probably pretty serious was the
Speaker 1: Hillary variousness. I think she was hiding what she was
Speaker 1: doing from Obama. But those are those are documents that
Speaker 1: belonged to the American people. And to be destroying her
Speaker 1: email server, no, that is all nefarious. Yeah, she was
Speaker 1: trying to evade FOYA basically because a State Department personnel
Speaker 1: have unclassified email and you can send, so you can
Speaker 1: send somebody you know at State dot gov or whatever,
Speaker 1: and all it takes is one one of the multi
Speaker 1: million dollar like Saudi or Chinese or you name it
Speaker 1: donors to the Clinton Global Initiative to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I wrote you a big check, I demand a meeting,
Speaker 1: Like all it takes is one of those or somebody
Speaker 1: to say the wrong thing, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: that because they were running a huge influence peddling scam.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I remember I was at CNN in
Speaker 1: the days when that was all being talked about, and
Speaker 1: for one, they were I mean actually mocking the idea
Speaker 1: that there was anything classified in her emails when I
Speaker 1: would talk about that, which was pretty funny. And then
Speaker 1: also mocking the idea that the Clintons had what was
Speaker 1: it they had raised? I can't even remember the number
Speaker 1: at this point, but I mean they made a hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars basically giving speeches and ghostwriting books. Nobody in
Speaker 1: you know this business very well, nobody makes one hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars in a matter of whatever it was, you know,
Speaker 1: ten years by giving speak giving speeches, and getting a
Speaker 1: couple of books ghosts written. That doesn't one hundred million.
Speaker 1: And now that she's not president, I think the donations
Speaker 1: have really gone to kind of a trickle. They shut
Speaker 1: down the Clinton Global Initiative in twenty seventeen and like
Speaker 1: six months, and they didn't even really wait very long
Speaker 1: on it. They kind of went for it right right away.
Speaker 1: So if it is not can I ask you this one.
Speaker 1: If it's if it's not Biden, who's the scariest candidate
Speaker 1: that Republicans could face in terms of obviously being able
Speaker 1: to win. That's a good question. I do think the
Speaker 1: Democrats are in trouble, which is why I really hope
Speaker 1: it's to Sciantis because the country is barely hanging on
Speaker 1: by its fingernails right now, and to Santis is certainly
Speaker 1: at this point, unquestionably our strongest candidate. I think the
Speaker 1: Democrats are really other than I mean, this is why
Speaker 1: they're bringing in all these third worlders to vote for
Speaker 1: them in the years to come. Doesn't matter in California,
Speaker 1: they'll elect a nut like Gavin Newsom. Get ready for that. America.
Speaker 1: But if there are still enough sane people or you know,
Speaker 1: slash actual Americans voting in this country, I think the
Speaker 1: Democrats are in trouble because once they get rid of
Speaker 1: you know, their senile dementia patients, you're getting down pretty
Speaker 1: quickly to the woke progressive Ilhan Omars, who is a
Speaker 1: respectable Democrat or that could win a primary? There are
Speaker 1: a few, but they couldn't possibly win a Democratic primary?
Speaker 1: What about Yuncan, Nicky Haley, Christy Nome? Trying to think
Speaker 1: who else has already been talked about, as I don't
Speaker 1: know who else thinks that they'd be running on the
Speaker 1: Republican side. Are any of them in your mind serious
Speaker 1: serious possibilities? No, you forgot the warmonger under Trump Pompeio.
Speaker 1: I thought you're talking about the guy with the mustache Bolton,
Speaker 1: because he's apparently running That would be fantastic. I do
Speaker 1: hope they all run, because the danger would be as
Speaker 1: if you had except I really think De Santis is
Speaker 1: kind of standing on his own without much competition. But
Speaker 1: I would like all of the warmongery will do nothing
Speaker 1: about immigration, utterly useless Rhino Republicans. I'd love for a
Speaker 1: lot of them to run. I'd love for a lot
Speaker 1: of them to get stumps down on the one Republican,
Speaker 1: my second favorite Republican in the country and the one
Speaker 1: I would like De Santis to picus. His vice president
Speaker 1: is Glenn Yuncan of Virginia. I think he's alrey good
Speaker 1: observing him, Yeah, he's been very good so far too.
Speaker 1: Is there anyone else on the GOP side, even in
Speaker 1: Congress that you you find yourself more often than not
Speaker 1: pleased with and giving giving all due kudos too for
Speaker 1: their work. Is there anyone else who sticks out as yes? Yes? Well,
Speaker 1: and one more governor I'll mention Greg Genfors of Montana's
Speaker 1: he's been on fire. Kudos to him. That there's another
Speaker 1: governor I forget her name. There's some great senators. Holly
Speaker 1: is one of is one of my favorites, and I
Speaker 1: and I kind of had a prejudice against him because
Speaker 1: of that, I shouldn't even mention it. I love him,
Speaker 1: but that's silly. Raised for salute to the January six protesters.
Speaker 1: I thought he looked really really he looked like David Hogg,
Speaker 1: and so I was sort of against him for about
Speaker 1: a week. But oh my gosh, he's good. And what
Speaker 1: his objection waters was good. You know. One of the
Speaker 1: things that came up. One of the things I love
Speaker 1: about him. Whatever you're saying, Oh, why does in Congress
Speaker 1: do this? Why don't the Center do this? You look
Speaker 1: into it. Oh, yeah, somebody's introduced a bill to do that.
Speaker 1: It's Josh Holly. Look, it's Josh Holly again. So there
Speaker 1: was some news I guess this week. Ron de Santis
Speaker 1: has stopped a bunch of illegal aliens landing on the
Speaker 1: shore of Florida, and some immigration hawks have said, yeah,
Speaker 1: he stopped them, but he's not deporting them. Well, governors
Speaker 1: can't deport illegals. All they can do is make it
Speaker 1: really uncomfortable for them. All they can do is detain them.
Speaker 1: All they can do is hold the for ice. They
Speaker 1: can't deport illegals. Guess who was introduced to bill that
Speaker 1: would allow governors to deport illegals. Josh Holly. Interesting. I
Speaker 1: would just add to your point about the Florida illegals
Speaker 1: arriving situation. The Biden White House initially put out some
Speaker 1: statement or I think it was directly from the Biden
Speaker 1: wet House like Kree Jean Pierre, that was criticizing this,
Speaker 1: that it was like showboating that DeSantis was doing until
Speaker 1: they found out that there was actually a request from
Speaker 1: Ice for the National Guard to help, So they were,
Speaker 1: I mean, sorry for the Florida National Guard to a sis.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like he was going above and beyond
Speaker 1: his mandate. He was actually responding to request for assistance.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Montana, though, I have to ask you because
Speaker 1: I want to I want to get beyond just the
Speaker 1: usual usual red meat of politics with miss Coulter. While
Speaker 1: we've got her here. Do you watch Yellowstone? And what
Speaker 1: do you think if you do? Are you a watcher?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sort of horrified to admit that I have.
Speaker 1: I've not seen it yet, but that is the show
Speaker 1: that all my friends keep telling me, you gotta watch,
Speaker 1: you gotta watch, you gotta watch. But I think I
Speaker 1: need to start at the beginning, right, I think you
Speaker 1: have to get past the fact that you know, Bozeman
Speaker 1: is apparently like Baghdad. There's just m fors and guys,
Speaker 1: you know, banging it out on the street corners firing
Speaker 1: each other all the time. There's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a little bit of Hollywood license taken with these ranchers.
Speaker 1: But but it is super entertaining. I mean it's a
Speaker 1: it's a huge show, like seventeen mill people. I think
Speaker 1: will last watch the fifth season premiere? What do What
Speaker 1: are you? Is there anything you're watching these days? With Carrie?
Speaker 1: I end up watching um when when it's time, when
Speaker 1: I just wanted to, like, have you know, quiet time?
Speaker 1: If we put on the Crown, She's asleep in five minutes.
Speaker 1: But everyone else seems to love that show. I think
Speaker 1: I'd probably be asleep, which is why I haven't started
Speaker 1: to watch it. What do you watch? Are you really
Speaker 1: just watching it? And if you're watching MSNBC, you have
Speaker 1: to give us is anything on MSNBC worth watching other
Speaker 1: than enjoy read? Who does have an honestly an amazing
Speaker 1: ability And I say that and it inspires amazement that
Speaker 1: she can turn anything like our conversation about do you
Speaker 1: watch Yellowstone End can actually turn into some kind of
Speaker 1: monologue on race and racism in America today. I don't
Speaker 1: know how, but she could do it. Oh no, that
Speaker 1: is totally proof of your and my white supremacy. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: to be fair, I haven't. I can't even I can't
Speaker 1: watch MSNBC anymore. I could get a show from two
Speaker 1: years ago, show it to you, and one from last night,
Speaker 1: and you tell me has two years passed? In the
Speaker 1: interim between these two shows, they all say the exact
Speaker 1: same thing, And I mean, well, there are exciting moments
Speaker 1: like I don't know if you knew this book, but
Speaker 1: do you know how close we came to losing our democracy?
Speaker 1: It's amazing there was an insurrection of unarmed people who
Speaker 1: didn't actually engage with any kind of military force or precision.
Speaker 1: It's kind of weird because I've actually been exposed to
Speaker 1: what a country looks like when people do try to
Speaker 1: overthrow the government, or when there is an active civil
Speaker 1: war of some kind going on, sectarian warfare, and it's
Speaker 1: very different from QAnon Shaman and a bunch of other
Speaker 1: largely middle aged folks walking around calmly and taking photos
Speaker 1: now martially that it is okay. I've condemned it from
Speaker 1: the beginning. I condemned it for many reasons. One of
Speaker 1: them was I was like, this is very stupid because
Speaker 1: it is handing the Democrats their favorite thing in the world,
Speaker 1: which is something that they can get the left wing
Speaker 1: base all hysterical about for the next twenty years, and
Speaker 1: this is but an They've said it's worse than Pearl Harvard.
Speaker 1: They've said there are prominent Democrats who have said it
Speaker 1: is worse than than nine to eleven. And I wonder
Speaker 1: if we've if we've just reached it not even fun anymore.
Speaker 1: It's not fun. Well, you know, I think there's this
Speaker 1: concept of terminal velocity, right when you jump out of
Speaker 1: a plane or something and you hit like the absolute
Speaker 1: max speed and then that's just that's just the speed
Speaker 1: you're going the rest of the way. I think that's
Speaker 1: what terminal velocity is. I might it was like a
Speaker 1: bad Charlie Sheen movie or one of those guys. Have
Speaker 1: we hit like terminal stupidity over at MSNBC, Like it
Speaker 1: can't get any dumber or any crazier. Mostly for me,
Speaker 1: I mean dumb and crazy I love that. No, it's
Speaker 1: it's the painful repetition. I can't there's a lot. I
Speaker 1: can't listen to the same thing all the time. So
Speaker 1: even I have not really been why what happened? Because
Speaker 1: you used to get to go on and you and
Speaker 1: and others and you know me too, back back when
Speaker 1: this was a thing to debate people on the other side.
Speaker 1: Have you noticed when did this happen? Where all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, no one Now there's no looney left wingers
Speaker 1: who will go on and have a real like throw
Speaker 1: it out. I mean, I I'm trying to think who
Speaker 1: were some of the like didn't you and did you?
Speaker 1: And al Sharpe that ever debate I know you and
Speaker 1: probably hime right completely changed. This was the introduction I
Speaker 1: wrote to my sub stack. I mean, all of cable news.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You can't just hold MSNBC as as the
Speaker 1: only offender here. It has become more just saying the
Speaker 1: things they think the audience wants to hear, and they
Speaker 1: apparently think that their audiences don't want to hear intelligent
Speaker 1: commentary or facts or history or no, they want to
Speaker 1: be ginned up, be angry at everything. The other side
Speaker 1: is doing and with no one there to contradict them.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is why the American system values debate
Speaker 1: and free speech, the idea that John Stuart mill idea
Speaker 1: that the truth will rise in a battle for ideas,
Speaker 1: we won't sense her particular viewpoints. Well, cable news has
Speaker 1: just been an absolute devolution. You have learned more by
Speaker 1: talking to the hot dog. I'm seriously, I'm not being
Speaker 1: sarcastic to a guy selling hot dogs on the street.
Speaker 1: And why is it just considered okay that there are politicians.
Speaker 1: I mean Nancy Pelosi, for example, would just would never
Speaker 1: go on Fox News or any channel other than effectively
Speaker 1: regime media for her. I feel like that's something of
Speaker 1: an indictment, like how hard should it be for her
Speaker 1: to be able to go on? Sure, she'll get heat.
Speaker 1: I remember being told by somebody who was I forget
Speaker 1: which Fox show it was, and this is back in
Speaker 1: the day, but one of these, one of these really
Speaker 1: kind of radical I think it was Gosh camera the
Speaker 1: guy's name. What are these sort of more radical Islamists
Speaker 1: from the UK would go on? It might have been
Speaker 1: it might have been Handy and Combs back in the
Speaker 1: Hannity and Combs days, which you know well, and he
Speaker 1: would say self, you know, it's like women should be
Speaker 1: The guy had a very sort of thick British accent,
Speaker 1: you know, women should be you know, treated like you know,
Speaker 1: servants or slaves or whatever. And I mean a very
Speaker 1: inflammatory stuff. And of course Sean's there and he's just like,
Speaker 1: you know, look at this lunatic. This guy should be
Speaker 1: on a terrorist watch list. The whole thing. I remember
Speaker 1: when I asked somebody said, why does this guy go
Speaker 1: on the show, and they said, no, you didn't understand.
Speaker 1: He goes on because his supporters love it, even if
Speaker 1: he should have called all these things that you know,
Speaker 1: he wants somebody who's going he wants to go to battle.
Speaker 1: They want to see him battle, right. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just a kind of an extreme example of it. I
Speaker 1: feel like nobody wants to battle anymore. Everyone just retreats
Speaker 1: to the amen corner because it's it's easy, it's lazy.
Speaker 1: I think pretty much all cable news house on across
Speaker 1: the board could do their TV shows in their sleep,
Speaker 1: saying the same things over and over. Biden bad, I
Speaker 1: mean you could. I think you could do it with
Speaker 1: either network, switch the facts, don't tell them who did
Speaker 1: one thing, you know, switch Biden to Trump, or Trump
Speaker 1: to Biden, or to say and just to Biden. And
Speaker 1: if they think it Biden did it, oh that's very very,
Speaker 1: very bad. And they won't as you I have, well,
Speaker 1: for example, as you and I just did saying the
Speaker 1: whole classified document thing is kind of bs Oh, I
Speaker 1: mean absolutely, it's It's one of these though. I think
Speaker 1: the problem is there's a almost like an arms race
Speaker 1: among people in the media now in particular, to do
Speaker 1: just whatever they think gets the clicks and works, and
Speaker 1: so there's no no one's attached anymore because it's like, well,
Speaker 1: if I don't do it, then somebody else is going
Speaker 1: to do it, and then I just I just lose.
Speaker 1: And I think that's very real, by the way, And
Speaker 1: I think that as there's less and less debate and
Speaker 1: people aren't exposed, I mean, I will say and I
Speaker 1: never attack people on the right publicly. See it's a
Speaker 1: polite this thing. Ed. Even when I don't attack people
Speaker 1: on the right publicly, you know, just because I don't
Speaker 1: like them or I don't like something they've said. I'll
Speaker 1: disagree with them on things, but I'm not going to say,
Speaker 1: you know, that guy is a jackass. We've got plenty
Speaker 1: of jackasses on the right, some of whom have very
Speaker 1: substantial audiences. I mean, people who are not neither learned,
Speaker 1: nor interesting nor particularly good people. When it all comes
Speaker 1: down to it, there are far more on the left.
Speaker 1: I mean, I may think that a vast majority I
Speaker 1: would put in that category in the media I'm talking
Speaker 1: about now. But on the right, I think that something
Speaker 1: is something has kind of shifted and happened where you
Speaker 1: don't have to be very knowledgeable, you don't have to
Speaker 1: be a very honest person, You certainly don't have to
Speaker 1: be a very ethical person, and yet you can do
Speaker 1: very very well. Is that a change? Am I just
Speaker 1: not even thinking that that's a change? Maybe I am.
Speaker 1: I mean I haven't been No, it's absolutely a change.
Speaker 1: It used to be. I think TV was fun back then,
Speaker 1: and I think it was. I mean, you mentioned Hannity
Speaker 1: and Comes. I remember in the early days of Hannity
Speaker 1: and Comes. I mean, obviously I'm a political not I'm
Speaker 1: really paying attention to what's going on in the world.
Speaker 1: But maybe I was writing a book, maybe there was
Speaker 1: an issue I hadn't followed if I wanted to hear
Speaker 1: both sides of what the argument was, I'd turn on
Speaker 1: Hannity and Combs. It was and I'm sure, And I
Speaker 1: don't mean, though I probably would if I thought about it.
Speaker 1: I don't mean specifically to dis CNN and MSNBC from
Speaker 1: the old days. They probably had similar shows on. There
Speaker 1: was a lot well, crossfire. I debate is good. That's
Speaker 1: how you know if it's if it's all just people
Speaker 1: you know, saying the same thing, and oh, you're so smart.
Speaker 1: You make me smarter every time you come on my program,
Speaker 1: and oh that's amazing, and there's there's no one to say,
Speaker 1: but wait, that fact that was just mentioned isn't actually
Speaker 1: a fact. At CNN, for example, people would say I
Speaker 1: had this concept of I'm going to go into the
Speaker 1: Lions dead right, and I knew by the way that
Speaker 1: place was always hostile to me all the way on down.
Speaker 1: I mean, I had some friend who are producers over
Speaker 1: there and people that were decent, but overall, just the
Speaker 1: it was institutionally hostile to conservatives. This is now twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, in that time period, but I remember I'd
Speaker 1: go over there and my thinking was, well, I don't
Speaker 1: want to let them get away with this nonsense and like,
Speaker 1: we've got to bring the fight to the enemy. But
Speaker 1: what you figure out when you're there is the whole
Speaker 1: thing is completely rigged. They have the host who is
Speaker 1: some screaming lib and they've got a you know, one
Speaker 1: expert or something who they're going to go to first,
Speaker 1: and then they've got a political pundit who's a Democrat.
Speaker 1: By the way, the expert and the Democrat pundit totally
Speaker 1: agree on everything and are like high fiving each other.
Speaker 1: And you're gonna go last, and you're the conservative and
Speaker 1: it's someone else's show, so you're just there to just
Speaker 1: get punched right in the nose. That's it. You're not there.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna let you speak, they're gonna talk over you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had them just basically cut off to
Speaker 1: commercial in the middle of me talking like they don't care.
Speaker 1: So that's why that was part of the descent, and
Speaker 1: now they don't even you know, it's kind of a
Speaker 1: sad thing actually when I see conservatives now at CNN
Speaker 1: who are doing the dance of I'm a I'm a
Speaker 1: conservative or I'm a Republican, but all I do is
Speaker 1: trash the right all the time on TV. I think
Speaker 1: that's a sad thing. Like I think it's like they're
Speaker 1: making hostage videos over there. Oh no, they're being paid
Speaker 1: well for those to be the I'm a Republican speech.
Speaker 1: I just don't think cable news has that much influence anymore.
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's very a circular cocoon, the
Speaker 1: way we used to make fun of, you know, the
Speaker 1: New York Times. I think we're getting the same thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're a country of three hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: five million people and on a huge night, you know,
Speaker 1: primetime cable, what they're getting a few million and it's
Speaker 1: mostly an average age. Is what about seventy so old
Speaker 1: people in their nursing homes can't figure out how the
Speaker 1: remote works. But most people are online. And you know,
Speaker 1: I just interviewed on subsack John Tierney from The New
Speaker 1: York Times. Magnificent writer, magnificent outside the box writer. But
Speaker 1: one of the books he wrote, which wasn't the main purpose,
Speaker 1: but I talked to him at the end, is what's
Speaker 1: called The Power of Bad. Very interesting book about how
Speaker 1: when bad things that people remember criticism more than they
Speaker 1: remember praise. A bad first interview was going to hurt
Speaker 1: you more than a fantastic first impression, that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: and how you can use it to your benefit. But
Speaker 1: one of the things he mentions in the book that
Speaker 1: I thought was kind of the headline item was that, yes,
Speaker 1: the legacy media very very very negative. For example, their
Speaker 1: COVID coverage. By the way, John Tierney was fantastic on COVID.
Speaker 1: Go back and read his articles in City Journal. He's
Speaker 1: everyone should be reading him, and he get was pointing
Speaker 1: out all along, you're being hysterics. This is the flu.
Speaker 1: This isn't that bad unless you're you're an old person
Speaker 1: or you He was right, he was right, he was right.
Speaker 1: But every night, how many did from COVID. They were
Speaker 1: predicting two million in the next two weeks. Now, what
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Speaker 1: obviously one of the more successful fiction writers of his generation.
Speaker 1: And I remember, I think it was in a Charlie
Speaker 1: Rose interview he said this, and this really stuck, stuck,
Speaker 1: stuck in my mind, that it's not even so much.
Speaker 1: And this was maybe circle let's say two thousand he
Speaker 1: said this. Bec said, it's not even that. If you
Speaker 1: want to get attention, you have to be a catastrophist
Speaker 1: when you're talking about anything of substance, like you want
Speaker 1: people to pay attention, you have to say, oh my god,
Speaker 1: everything's falling apart, everything is terrible. He said that actually
Speaker 1: the mindset had shifted so that people were mad at you.
Speaker 1: If you don't take that opinion it's like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean, how can you not? And you certainly see
Speaker 1: this with like the climate change people, and you see
Speaker 1: this with all just a way a lot of people
Speaker 1: try to get attention when when they're talking about the country.
Speaker 1: So I agree that there is negativity to that end,
Speaker 1: or too much negativity. What makes a culture feel positive
Speaker 1: about how things are going. I know you're out at
Speaker 1: the colleges talking to college kids all the time, and
Speaker 1: college conservatives are the best because they've got that like
Speaker 1: they've just discovered this reality that that they know about
Speaker 1: and they're in the fight and they're realizing that, like
Speaker 1: they're they're red pilled at this young age. And but
Speaker 1: you know what gives you a sense that it's all
Speaker 1: gonna move in the right direction somehow, some way. Well,
Speaker 1: it is true that conservatives in a liberal environment are
Speaker 1: generally a lot of fun. They're not just rolling into
Speaker 1: being conservatives. Conservatives in New York City, conservat was in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and conservatives on college campus as there are
Speaker 1: a lot of fun and they're not going to back down.
Speaker 1: They don't with a r under criticism where they'd never
Speaker 1: be conservatives to begin with. Now, I don't think you
Speaker 1: ought to have to be, you know, brave and strong
Speaker 1: and courageous to speak the truth in places like college campuses.
Speaker 1: But but you kind of do when they are I
Speaker 1: don't know. Oddly, I am quite optimistic. It's it's probably
Speaker 1: and you know, man, I hope these aren't famous last
Speaker 1: words because politicians have broken my heart so many times.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm pretty optimistic about about Rhonda Santis. I mean,
Speaker 1: people are living in freedom in Florida. In one of
Speaker 1: his speeches, it may have been the inaugural speech. I
Speaker 1: think you were there, but I've heard this. People have
Speaker 1: said this to me in Florida, and to Santa's repeated
Speaker 1: Europeans who left Europe, left Australia came to Florida. They
Speaker 1: said they felt like they were leaving East Germany and
Speaker 1: going to West Germany under communism. And and I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you it's it is like that when I tweeted
Speaker 1: that and it went viral, and when I left New
Speaker 1: York during the lockdowns to go to Miami, and it
Speaker 1: was it. I mean, people also think that that's that
Speaker 1: was so this ows wild exaggeration. They deployed National Guard
Speaker 1: soldiers to stand around in the airports to collect personal
Speaker 1: information on people about an aerosolized virus. They're standing there,
Speaker 1: you know, with their m force with no magazine in them,
Speaker 1: just supposed to look like just to scare the virus.
Speaker 1: And the whole thing was idiotic beyond words. And I'm
Speaker 1: actually somebody who I refused to let this stuff go.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I maybe that's gonna be, you know,
Speaker 1: to my detriment, But I think it's okay what happened
Speaker 1: at all. And I feel like rain back to Rhonda
Speaker 1: Santis point, I have never felt like I owed a
Speaker 1: politician a debt of gratitude before. It is hard to
Speaker 1: explain how gratifying it was as a New Yorker, in particular,
Speaker 1: to be able to leave in the midst of that
Speaker 1: hellish lunacy and just go to a place where people
Speaker 1: were just it was just like being in America again,
Speaker 1: or what you thought was America. And yes, I think
Speaker 1: it's kind of important than saying you I think you
Speaker 1: should keep talking about this. I think it's important because
Speaker 1: even though I feel optimistic, I'm not saying I'm putting
Speaker 1: all of my hopes in him. There are other people.
Speaker 1: There are people like you. Buck and I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess I just throw it a quick figure, real quick end.
Speaker 1: Will you tell everybody, just for the record that I
Speaker 1: was so anti max masks so early that you were like, really, no,
Speaker 1: I know you were right though. I learned something interesting
Speaker 1: during masking. I don't know if you remember. I used
Speaker 1: to say, no, I was from masks long before. If
Speaker 1: I fly a lot, and I used to get a
Speaker 1: lot of colds and i'd put a mask on, I
Speaker 1: wasn't a dork like walking onto the plane with my mask,
Speaker 1: but once I was seated, I would be a dork.
Speaker 1: I'd pull it down to talk to the stewards, I'd
Speaker 1: pull it down to go to the bathroom. And it
Speaker 1: was only when in the wintertime when i'd hear, you know,
Speaker 1: tuberculosis boys sitting behind me. But anyway, now I've learned
Speaker 1: that the virus can go right through, and I assume
Speaker 1: flew viruses too. But the reason I think it cut
Speaker 1: down on my colds, and it definitely cut down on
Speaker 1: my colds from doing a lot of flying, is that
Speaker 1: when you're sitting on an airplane reading, at least, I
Speaker 1: am constantly touching my face, constantly touching my face, so
Speaker 1: as long as I had the mask on, it was
Speaker 1: protecting me. But the reason I think you should continue
Speaker 1: with the COVID stuff and I think we all owe
Speaker 1: Ron de Santis and other sane. By the way, Glen
Speaker 1: Youngan the one I mentioned Governor Virginia first day in office,
Speaker 1: he ended all the mask mandates in school, it was beautiful.
Speaker 1: I remember that it was beautiful. But I think, though
Speaker 1: I have an optimistic personality, generally, when you look back
Speaker 1: at history, things that have been very harmful to a society,
Speaker 1: to a country. One is losing faith, feeling like the
Speaker 1: country was dishonest and people couldn't be trusted. I mean,
Speaker 1: there was the betting on that baseball game you always
Speaker 1: hear about. Sorry, you'll have to check with Clay on
Speaker 1: exactly what it was the team, okay. And then the
Speaker 1: other one was there was a game show What's My
Speaker 1: Line or something like that, and they found out that
Speaker 1: they were shink quiz show. Yeah, it's like a game quisha.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, is there a movie about that? I haven't
Speaker 1: seen them. Yes, I think it's called Quo. I'm saying, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: So now we have just lived through a couple of
Speaker 1: years where we find out Intelligence community. Intelligence officers are
Speaker 1: big fat, stinking liars. We find out that the brass
Speaker 1: at the FBI, big fat, stinking liars. We find out
Speaker 1: that public health authorities big fat stinking liars. And Twitter,
Speaker 1: where we're supposed to be able to engage in free speech,
Speaker 1: was suppressing the free speech. I mean, it's hard to
Speaker 1: imagine a society where there were this many attacks. The
Speaker 1: Russian collusion thing. New York Times won the Pulitzer Prize
Speaker 1: for that, and the whole was bs the whole thing,
Speaker 1: So you would think that bad things would be coming
Speaker 1: out of this. And I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess that's why I looked to Ronda Santis. I hope
Speaker 1: he can turn this around. But boy, Ron de Santis
Speaker 1: is going to have a lot on his plate. Do
Speaker 1: you have any thoughts or opinions? And I didn't check
Speaker 1: with that on the stuff before. And I like culter
Speaker 1: on the fly, you know, because you never know. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you just got to duck, you know what's gonna come
Speaker 1: back at you. But Andrew Tate, are you familiar with
Speaker 1: this guy any of his stuff? He's gotten a lot
Speaker 1: of attention recently. He's in a prison in Romania. Now
Speaker 1: do you know about this guy? Well, I've seen the name,
Speaker 1: and because he was banned from Twitter. So this is
Speaker 1: the bad thing about banning people and then letting them
Speaker 1: back on. Because he was banned and let back on,
Speaker 1: I just assumed, Oh, he's probably funny. He's probably like
Speaker 1: Gavin McGinnis. Now i've seen more about him, and you know,
Speaker 1: to quote my favorite movie, Doctor Strangelove, he's a deviated prever.
Speaker 1: I actually, should I see that movie? I haven't seen
Speaker 1: that one, Doctor Strangelove. Oh my gosh, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: How to check it out? I was just wondering if
Speaker 1: you had a By the way, Clay also recently cited
Speaker 1: now the because we're really bringing this one back, the
Speaker 1: cult theorem, which I remember from I believe. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if it was one of your books or a column,
Speaker 1: but I do remember as the culture theorem that the
Speaker 1: oh no, it must have been mugged liberal demagoguery from
Speaker 1: what was the thank you where the white White Guilt
Speaker 1: Bank shut down after OJ Because I'm wondering if we're
Speaker 1: a headache a little bit more in that direction now,
Speaker 1: And also the end of affirmative action in college admissions
Speaker 1: has been That's been kind of a fascinating argument recently
Speaker 1: to see that playing out where people are just saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good for society if Harvard pretends that Asians as
Speaker 1: a matter of policy, have lacking personalities so they can
Speaker 1: keep them out of Ivy League schools. People are really
Speaker 1: always remember I just cited this in my affirmative action
Speaker 1: article on sub sat. Bill Gates Foundation gave a lot
Speaker 1: of money to researchers at Georgetown a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago to determine who was discriminated against the most in
Speaker 1: college admissions. So researchers spent some time, They got the
Speaker 1: colleges to give them the SATs and the admission rate
Speaker 1: and the race. And this was at the top two
Speaker 1: hundred most selective colleges, So top one hundred or two hundred,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of colleges and guests. Which group their
Speaker 1: numbers would go up most dramatically if there were no
Speaker 1: affirmative action, if you weren't allowed to look at race.
Speaker 1: I had thought it was Asians, but nope, light men.
Speaker 1: Really yes, I remember people poking and asking me all
Speaker 1: kinds of questions when I got to Ambers, which is
Speaker 1: a you know, one of these liberal arts colleges. But
Speaker 1: it's one of those plays is that thinks it's saving
Speaker 1: the world by getting very social justice focused. They couldn't
Speaker 1: believe I was a white kid with I was not
Speaker 1: a recruited athlete, not the son of or you know,
Speaker 1: not not a child of alumni a legacy, and had
Speaker 1: no like financial connection to the college that was That
Speaker 1: was a rarity for I mean because basically a lot
Speaker 1: of the white kids are legacies, are recruited athletes at
Speaker 1: those schools now, and if you don't fit into one
Speaker 1: of those categories, very tough, right, But even the legacies
Speaker 1: in defense of legacies, what we've learned about IQ it
Speaker 1: is at least in part genetic, there is a reversion
Speaker 1: to the means. So if you have really smart parents,
Speaker 1: the odds are the kids won't be as smart as
Speaker 1: the parents. If you have really dumb parents, the odds
Speaker 1: are the kids won't be as dumb as the parents. Yet.
Speaker 1: And still, if you have a group of two hundred
Speaker 1: kids in one room, two hundred kids in the other room,
Speaker 1: and you have low IQ parents in the first room
Speaker 1: and high the odds are the out of the two
Speaker 1: hundred kids with the high IQ parents they'll have the
Speaker 1: kids will have higher IQs. I was just named this
Speaker 1: today reading some New York Times article about it's just
Speaker 1: like throws in this BS line about well they have
Speaker 1: generational wealth. No, it's not generational wealth, it's generational IQ.
Speaker 1: Another one where Anne is saying stuff that I'm sure
Speaker 1: some people are going to start to get all googly,
Speaker 1: They're going to start googling it, being like, wait a second, look,
Speaker 1: I think it was the be all end all. Obviously
Speaker 1: they're more important qualities than in life. But to pretend
Speaker 1: that I'm just saying the children of legacies, if the
Speaker 1: legacy has got in on the basis of the basis
Speaker 1: of their of their SAT scores, the odds or the
Speaker 1: kids are gonna have decent SAT scores. It is just
Speaker 1: anything that involves IQ people there's like this immediately if
Speaker 1: you even talk about it, everyone starts to freak out.
Speaker 1: I think that's been a trained response for a lot
Speaker 1: of people for a long time. As I understand it,
Speaker 1: IQ is really more it's it's a general range of capacity.
Speaker 1: And so even within that, because I've met lots of
Speaker 1: I have met people in my life who have walked
Speaker 1: around saying you know, I'm one forty five IQ or something,
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, you're kind of a loser. So
Speaker 1: it doesn't you know, it can be really helpful, but
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't mean that that's the only thing,
Speaker 1: as you said, as you rightly understand. So and if
Speaker 1: I gave you one last, one last moment talked to
Speaker 1: all the folks, obviously they should go check out your
Speaker 1: sub stack, which is phenomenal. I am a sub I'm
Speaker 1: a subscriber, full disclosure, and we're gonna get and some
Speaker 1: Geeza dreamsheets and anything else we're gonna tell everybody, Um, okay,
Speaker 1: sub stack columns. Do you want to make any wild
Speaker 1: predictions that we'll bring you back on to see if
Speaker 1: you're right? Well? Is it? DeSantis Biden twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: I I tend to think, I mean, you and I
Speaker 1: have talked about this. I think we agree. I think
Speaker 1: there's a good chance Democrats do the Weekend of Bernie
Speaker 1: thing with Biden just because once he's gone. Look, who
Speaker 1: do they have that little bootage? He's doing a bang
Speaker 1: up job here. He's the most famous or maybe infamous
Speaker 1: transportation secretary of all. Like I can't even name a
Speaker 1: Transportation secretary. Before this guy, Oh, I can't Norman Manette.
Speaker 1: I hated him more, but week after week, just total disaster.
Speaker 1: I heard of his lodge. And every time something like
Speaker 1: this happens, you just think back to that picture of
Speaker 1: him and his husband in the hospital, rocking the baby
Speaker 1: as if they're nursing him. Never to go check out
Speaker 1: ends sub stack and we'll have you back. And next
Speaker 1: time I want to, I need to get deeper into
Speaker 1: you know what you what you like to read for fun,
Speaker 1: which I know you're a grateful dead person, which I
Speaker 1: do want to make fun of you for this because
Speaker 1: an I can't do it. I can't do it. I
Speaker 1: don't understand. But then again, I'm grumpy. I listen to anything.
Speaker 1: The only music I don't like is jazz. Wow. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's nothing classier than boring jazz, I believe, they said
Speaker 1: once on the office. So there's that, and Coulter with us.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much and great to see you. Thanks for
Speaker 1: making the time. Thank you great to talk to you
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