Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: Ryan Warmley, joined by Pat Fitzmorris and by Derek Brown.
Speaker 1: Today we are talking some fantasy takeaways for the AFC West.
Speaker 1: This is part of our divisional takeaway series. We've got
Speaker 1: an episode for all eight divisions, so be sure to
Speaker 1: check those out if they're all out already by the
Speaker 1: time you're watching this, or keep an eye out for
Speaker 1: the ones to come in the future. Today's is the
Speaker 1: AFC West, like I mentioned, of course, led by the
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs once again, fifteen into the one seed
Speaker 1: in the af Seed. Obviously, Patrick Mahomes just you know,
Speaker 1: leading the charge and you read all the same stuff
Speaker 1: we've seen for several years in a row now it
Speaker 1: just continues to play out time and time again. For
Speaker 1: Casey Debro, what was your fantasy takeaway for the Chiefs
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Four that Patrick Mahomes of this part of his career
Speaker 2: is a better real life quarterback than he is a
Speaker 2: fantasy one. The days are gone where I can get
Speaker 2: him into my top five, my top seven, heck my
Speaker 2: top ten. Right now he's gonna be a low MQB
Speaker 2: one probably eleven or twelve spot my twenty twenty five rankings,
Speaker 2: and that's where he's been the last two years. Guys
Speaker 2: like QB ten, QB eleven and fantasy points per game.
Speaker 2: And when we look in you know, the future for
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes in twenty twenty five, the Rashi Rice return
Speaker 2: from injury and possible suspension. You got Exavier Worthy, is Hopkins,
Speaker 2: there is Brown there, Kelsey's a year older. It's nothing
Speaker 2: but murky Man. I can't get excited about Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: in the year twenty twenty five. I just think it's
Speaker 2: where we're.
Speaker 1: At as it stands. I feel like I would be
Speaker 1: surprised if Kelsey comes back. And regardless of whether or
Speaker 1: not they win the Super Bowl, Like, I don't think
Speaker 1: it they have to win for him to retire.
Speaker 2: Do you think if they win, do you think he's
Speaker 2: definitely out, because I.
Speaker 3: Think it's more likely if they win.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's winning he retires losing he
Speaker 1: comes back, Like I think they've wanted to go for
Speaker 1: this three peat and they're giving it their best effort.
Speaker 1: And regardless this is based on zero inside information. By
Speaker 1: the way, this is just kind of like my attempt
Speaker 1: at reading the tea leaves where I just personally, on
Speaker 1: an individual basis, I would be surprised if you so to.
Speaker 2: That point where I think you are spot on with this.
Speaker 2: I just want to add this really really quickly. If
Speaker 2: you look at his contract, and this is the reason
Speaker 2: why I'm absolutely with you. Next year, he has a
Speaker 2: nineteen million dollar cap hit if it were to condemn
Speaker 2: or he retires, they are only on the hook for
Speaker 2: two point two million in dead cap. Like It's basically
Speaker 2: they re signed him and gave him this deal, and
Speaker 2: it's like, well, you want to come back, but if
Speaker 2: if you don't, we're not screwed if you don't come back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't think they would cut him.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's that's not what you no no yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: I So, having said that, let's just say for the
Speaker 1: sake of argument that we're right. I mean, how are
Speaker 1: you going to feel going into next season? Late? Like
Speaker 1: like what you just said, she rice big question mark.
Speaker 1: Davey Worthy came on kind of strong late, but still
Speaker 1: a lot of work to do, a lot of question
Speaker 1: marks elsewhere are fits? What do you make just before
Speaker 1: you even get into Mahomes, you know, in general as
Speaker 1: a fantasy core, specifically these weapons. I mean that's a
Speaker 1: bottom what group in the NFL next season if Kelsey's
Speaker 1: not back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they're probably bottom ten. Like they're gonna
Speaker 4: have to add They've got Rashie Rice and Xavier Worthy,
Speaker 4: And it's almost kind of a redundant skill set because Worthy,
Speaker 4: for all his speed, is not really a lidlifter. He
Speaker 4: is a catch and run guy much like Rashee Rice.
Speaker 4: So they do need a guy who can sort of
Speaker 4: work downfield and be the lidlifter in this offense. But yeah,
Speaker 4: and just to Debro's point, it's weird that we have
Speaker 4: seen this disconnect develop with Patrick Mahomes, where he is
Speaker 4: on the short list of the greatest quarterbacks of all time,
Speaker 4: probably already, and yet since about midway through the twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three season, has not been that good of fantasy quarterback.
Speaker 4: And it's just strange. In his first five seasons as
Speaker 4: a starter, Mahomes averaged thirty eight touchdown passes a season.
Speaker 4: Over the last two twenty seven and twenty six, Like
Speaker 4: he's not throwing as many touchdown passes that the yardage
Speaker 4: like he used to have these spike yardage games all
Speaker 4: the time. Three forty three seventy over four hundred not
Speaker 4: really happening that much anymore. So, you know, when I
Speaker 4: was putting together twenty twenty five rankings, like he's clearly
Speaker 4: behind Josh Allen Lamar Jackson, I think he's clearly behind
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow and Jayden Daniels and Jalen Hurts. So like
Speaker 4: I've got him at Quarterbacks six. I just like they're
Speaker 4: no real I mean, I've got him at six and
Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield at seven, and it's kind of only because
Speaker 4: there's really no one I feel strongly about moving past Mahomes,
Speaker 4: but QB six does almost feel too high for him.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you Drake may or Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: next year, FITZI.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I've got Mahomes ranked higher, de Bro, but.
Speaker 1: I think you have to rank Mahomes higher, But I do.
Speaker 1: I could see the case being made of like where
Speaker 1: they're going to go in drafts.
Speaker 3: I'd rather have him a the thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've got him QB six, but I probably
Speaker 4: am not going to be drafting him because at the
Speaker 4: point where he is drafted, I'm just not really willing
Speaker 4: to sacrifice running back or wide receiver talent.
Speaker 2: Fifty how many I think.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I think it'd be interesting
Speaker 1: Burrow versus Mahomes. If Higgins leaves and they don't get
Speaker 1: a great replacement for Tea, and if Mahomes adds somebody,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be like some elite receiver. But
Speaker 1: if if they have you know, let's say Kelsey comes back,
Speaker 1: and they get you know, like a DeAndre Hopkins type,
Speaker 1: so not adding to it, but is similar to what
Speaker 1: they have now, but Burrow loses Tea, then I could
Speaker 1: see the case of maybe those two being an interesting
Speaker 1: head to head.
Speaker 2: Fitzy, real fast, off the top of your head, how
Speaker 2: many three hundred yard passing days the Patrick Mahomes have
Speaker 2: this year?
Speaker 1: Two?
Speaker 2: Three? Very close, sir, But it's not a lot. Takeaway
Speaker 2: is not good? Not a lot?
Speaker 1: Well, let me just quickly ask this in Dynasty, is
Speaker 1: the fact that Mahomes is the consensus just best quarterback
Speaker 1: in football and you know, basically already like one of
Speaker 1: the best three of all time? Is that enough of
Speaker 1: a floor just knowing how good he is at the
Speaker 1: position to keep him somewhat relevant in Dynasty or do
Speaker 1: you think he's also maybe on the outside looking in
Speaker 1: of you know, the top twelve quarterbacks in Dynasty deepro.
Speaker 2: I think by this way, if I'm doing startups, I'm
Speaker 2: not paying the iron price for Patrick Mahomes. Not just not.
Speaker 2: There's no way. There's too many quarterbacks that can now
Speaker 2: produce him in fantasy now from a floor perspective and
Speaker 2: talent perspective, I mean, shoot, man, I'm looking at my
Speaker 2: Dinosaur ranks right now and I'm like, I've got Patrick Wongs.
Speaker 1: Our staff rankings from the end of December have him
Speaker 1: as QB five in Dynasty. And it's a weird kind
Speaker 1: of disconnected in my mind to hear you say like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's like QB ten or eleven for next season, but
Speaker 1: long term, we like him better even though he's like
Speaker 1: getting close to thirty. It's just you don't hear that
Speaker 1: a lot of a player that you like better and
Speaker 1: dine then the immediate future when they're not super super young.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm staring at my ranks right now and
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, I had him at QB six, and
Speaker 2: as we're talking through this, I'm like, well, I need
Speaker 2: to move him down, and I'm like, Okay, QB nine
Speaker 2: feels about right. Do I want Patrick Malmes or do
Speaker 2: I want c J. Stroud? I might take c J. Stroud.
Speaker 1: That's also a very weird stretch of the Dynasty QB
Speaker 1: rankings right now is once you get past Alan Lamar
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels. You know, depending on how how interested you
Speaker 1: are in a non running guy Joe Burrow like that,
Speaker 1: like six ish to thirteen ish range, I think there's
Speaker 1: it's gonna be very malleable the next year or two.
Speaker 1: Guys like Drake may possibly moving up, you know, Guys
Speaker 1: like you know, if Love has another somewhat, if he
Speaker 1: sees his Stroud, they can't get the offensive line right.
Speaker 1: If Mahomes doesn't, you know, start learning for touchdowns again. Like,
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a lot of movement in
Speaker 1: that range for sure. What are your thoughts in Dynasty fits.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think he's about the same for
Speaker 4: me in Dynasty, Like QB six, it's just interesting. I
Speaker 4: wouldn't rule out the possibility that we see the Patrick
Speaker 4: Mahomes of the prolific weekly stat lines come back at
Speaker 4: some point. And maybe this is because the Chiefs defense
Speaker 4: has been so good. This is one of the better
Speaker 4: defenses in the league. And if that defense were to
Speaker 4: go to seed and all of a sudden the Chiefs
Speaker 4: started to play in more shootouts, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 4: we see them.
Speaker 2: They showed some weakness earlier this year, Fitzie, like when
Speaker 2: McDuffie was having an issue, Like after Watson went down,
Speaker 2: they had a stretch where they were getting all through
Speaker 2: the air and it didn't like it.
Speaker 3: I think it helped him a.
Speaker 2: Little bit, like low end QB one numbers, but it
Speaker 2: didn't pop back to top five numbers.
Speaker 1: I yeah, I mean we can move on from this too,
Speaker 1: just talking about like the defense being good. We're in
Speaker 1: the stage right now of hearing which coordinators are getting,
Speaker 1: you know, interviews for head coaching jobs, and once again,
Speaker 1: like I'm not seeing spags anymore. Please please, somebody take
Speaker 1: him away from Casey. I'm tired of Mahomes also having
Speaker 1: the best defensive coordinator in football.
Speaker 3: So one, all right, let's go to the Chargers.
Speaker 1: Eleven and six made the playoffs in Jim Harbaugh's first
Speaker 1: season with the team.
Speaker 3: Fits. What's your fantasy takeaway here?
Speaker 4: It is that Greg Roman has time traveled back from
Speaker 4: the Stone Age and has joined the twenty first century.
Speaker 4: And it's now safe to investing Chargers components of the
Speaker 4: Chargers passing game. And this is a surprise. The Chargers
Speaker 4: weren't insanely run heavy with Roman as the offensive coordinator
Speaker 4: this year. And you know, traditionally Roman's offenses have been
Speaker 4: extremely run heavy, as you well know worm from being
Speaker 4: a Ravens fan, So the Chargers actually did begin the
Speaker 4: season extremely run heavy. Justin Herbert averaged twenty two point
Speaker 4: eight pass a ten so for his first four games,
Speaker 4: and I think observers were kind of rolling their eyes, like,
Speaker 4: oh man, this guy is going to ruin Justin Herbert
Speaker 4: as a fantasy asset. But since then, Herbert has averaged
Speaker 4: thirty one point eight pass attempts a game. He has
Speaker 4: thrown more than thirty passes in each of his last
Speaker 4: five games. To end the regular season, the Chargers were
Speaker 4: only the tenth run heaviest team in the league despite
Speaker 4: that run heavy start. So yeah, the takeaway for me
Speaker 4: is that Greg Roman is not a reason to shy
Speaker 4: away from Justin Herbert, Lad McConkie, even Quinton Johnston next season.
Speaker 4: Now there may be other reasons to shy away from
Speaker 4: Quinton Johnston, but maybe not because the Chargers are overly
Speaker 4: run heavy.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Do you think on the reverse side of this fits
Speaker 1: you're also feeling the same way where you're maybe less
Speaker 1: interested in investing in the running game than you would
Speaker 1: have been when you first heard that Greg Roman was
Speaker 1: going to be their offensive coordinator, or if I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously the backfield is going to be a large determinant
Speaker 1: of how interested we are in investing in this backfield,
Speaker 1: who the players are. But just strictly from the playcong perspective,
Speaker 1: are you a little less interested in the idea of like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's gonna run a ton of whoever RB one is
Speaker 1: we want to buy?
Speaker 4: Not necessarily, because I do think you know, if you're
Speaker 4: a running back into Greg roman offense and you're getting
Speaker 4: playing time, like you're gonna get a n ample supply
Speaker 4: of carries. And I don't think workload was ever a
Speaker 4: complaint for anyone who invested in JK. Dobbins this year.
Speaker 4: The issue was more that we didn't know that it
Speaker 4: was kind of a murky backfield this year, and we
Speaker 4: didn't know that JK. Dobbins was going to take it
Speaker 4: over so completely, so I guess not really Like I
Speaker 4: never figured that Gus Edwards was going to be a
Speaker 4: twenty carry per game guy this year, but then again,
Speaker 4: who knows. I mean, if the Chargers were to go
Speaker 4: out and somehow land Ashton Genty, I'm definitely not shying
Speaker 4: away from Ashton Genty with Greg Roman as his offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: Dee bro let me tie the last two conversations together
Speaker 1: for next season. Only would you rather have in fantasy
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert or Patrick Mahock Hebert?
Speaker 2: It's not close. I've got Herbert ranked as a QB
Speaker 2: one and Patrick Mahomes I'm deciding whether he's gonna be
Speaker 2: a QB one or a QB two. It's easily Herbert.
Speaker 2: And to Fitzi's point, since Week seven, Chargers of the
Speaker 2: sixth have the sixth highest pass rate over expectation. The
Speaker 2: only teams higher than them the Bengals, the Chiefs, the Vikings,
Speaker 2: and the Jets and the Dolphins.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: What about the same question I asked fits in terms
Speaker 1: of the running back position deeper? Do you feel the
Speaker 1: same way that he does.
Speaker 2: I'm still inclined because I think I don't know if
Speaker 2: the Chargers end up bringing JK back or they draft
Speaker 2: somebody or sign somebody, But like, I think this is
Speaker 2: a team that has shown they're gonna run through one
Speaker 2: running back, So even if they're gonna throw more, and
Speaker 2: we didn't even see Dobbins that much in the passing game,
Speaker 2: so they're gonna throw more and they get a back
Speaker 2: that is better because Dobbins is never That's never been
Speaker 2: his calling card as a receiver. If you were to
Speaker 2: tell me tying this to another AFC team, who as
Speaker 2: a running back that's gonna make free agency, probably not
Speaker 2: gonna need a huge contract, how would you feel about
Speaker 2: Jalen Warren as a future of Los Angeles Charger. I'd
Speaker 2: feel pretty good about it.
Speaker 1: Still, invest I wonder if they had a real pass
Speaker 1: catching running back option, what this Chargers offense was saying
Speaker 1: with that ability, because we've seen Justin Herbert check down
Speaker 1: in the past to Austin Ekler a bunch and take
Speaker 1: advantage of that. But we've seen Greg Roman offenses not
Speaker 1: do that. So I wonder what it would look like,
Speaker 1: whether it's they add Jalen Warren or like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like within the division, like a Javonte Williams or not,
Speaker 1: or if they draft somebody. But even if it's not gent,
Speaker 1: even if they draft somebody like Day two or three,
Speaker 1: like a Nick Singleton, like, I wonder kind of how
Speaker 1: they would take advantage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to your point about Romans offense, I mean,
Speaker 2: if you think about the skill time, the skill set
Speaker 2: of the quarterbacks he's had, Lamar's running, he ain't checking
Speaker 2: it down. Kaepernick before him, it wasn't running. Gore wasn't
Speaker 2: a prolific pass catcher. So I think a lot of
Speaker 2: that is also skill sets of the quarterbacks and the
Speaker 2: running backs that they've had He's had before.
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Speaker 1: takeaway for the ten and seven Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4: The Marvin Mimmes is an electric playmaker who fantasy managers
Speaker 4: should be targeting in twenty twenty five drafts. Mims has
Speaker 4: had a heck of a finish to the regular season,
Speaker 4: five touchdowns over his last five games, with a pair
Speaker 4: of one hundred yard receiving games over that stretch. This
Speaker 4: dude is so exciting. He is averaging ten point four
Speaker 4: yards per target over his first two years in the league.
Speaker 4: He's got sub four to four speed, He's elusive, has
Speaker 4: really good ball skills, which we saw in that spectacular
Speaker 4: end of regulation catch a couple weeks ago. The thing is,
Speaker 4: Mims did not play fifty percent of the Broncos offensive
Speaker 4: snaps in any game this season. His high water mark
Speaker 4: in any contest was a forty seven percent snap share,
Speaker 4: and that happened in two consecutive games late in the
Speaker 4: year when Mims was just completely kicking butt. He only
Speaker 4: reached thirty offensive snaps in one game this year. But
Speaker 4: the thing is, when Mims is in the game, Sean
Speaker 4: Payton is very proactive about trying to get him the ball,
Speaker 4: and that sort of makes up for the lower snap shares.
Speaker 4: I kind of faded Jaden Reid and drafts this year
Speaker 4: because I was worried that his snaphairs were like consistently
Speaker 4: around sixty five or seventy percent in twenty twenty three. Now,
Speaker 4: fading Reid turned out to not be the wrong move
Speaker 4: this year, but the analysis was bad on my part
Speaker 4: because when Jayden Reid was in the game last year
Speaker 4: and when he was having a really good twenty twenty
Speaker 4: three season, the Packers were actively getting him the ball,
Speaker 4: kind of like what we're seeing with Marvin Mims. So
Speaker 4: you know, like when Reid is at his best, he's
Speaker 4: gotten the ball on a high percentage of his snaps,
Speaker 4: And yeah, same thing with Marvin Mimms. So we just
Speaker 4: need to get Mims to the point where Reid was, uh,
Speaker 4: where he's getting like sixty five percent seventy percent of
Speaker 4: the snaps instead of forty percent. But yeah, I think
Speaker 4: if he does get sixty five percent seventy percent snapchers,
Speaker 4: we're talking about the possibility that Mims is a top
Speaker 4: twenty five receiver.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask to put a number two.
Speaker 1: What range are you looking at him? Because obviously the
Speaker 1: further down you get, it's harder to be like very specific,
Speaker 1: especially this early in the rankings process. But are you
Speaker 1: talking like somebody that you think is going to be
Speaker 1: going as a wide receiver for you want a draft,
Speaker 1: if there's a wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Three, is it higher than that, is it lower? What's
Speaker 3: kind of the range you're looking at.
Speaker 4: I think he's probably going to go as like a
Speaker 4: wide receiver four or five right now, because when you
Speaker 4: add back the guys who are returning from injury, the
Speaker 4: rookies who are going to be highly drafted, like Ted
Speaker 4: McMillan and a meccag buca and Luther Burden, like all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, the names start to pile up, and
Speaker 4: I've got Marvin Mimms ranked in the fifties. But like
Speaker 4: that ranking should not reflect a lack of enthusiasm for
Speaker 4: Marvin Mims. It's just being realistic about the usage and obviously,
Speaker 4: like I'm going to be moving him up if we
Speaker 4: hear Sean Payton talking about how he wants to get
Speaker 4: Mimes into the starting lineup or make sure he's a
Speaker 4: regular and three receiver snaps, it's just kind of a
Speaker 4: confusing rotation for the Broncos wide receivers right now. And
Speaker 4: we'll see if that holds or you know, I don't
Speaker 4: know how you can justify giving little Jordan Humphrey more
Speaker 4: snaps than Marvin Mims at this point.
Speaker 3: Deever, what do you think about Mems.
Speaker 2: I think I'm with Fitzi on this one. I think
Speaker 2: he's flashed continually every time they've given him the ball,
Speaker 2: given him opportunities. I just wonder why is Denver not
Speaker 2: playing him as a full time wide receiver, Like, considering
Speaker 2: this is not an offense that we're talking about, has
Speaker 2: just bookous of playmakers like the Cup runneth Over, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's like there's Courtland Sutton, and then there's a committee.
Speaker 2: And so it's curious to me that Sean Payton. Now
Speaker 2: some of the data lines up really really well for Mems,
Speaker 2: and some of it you look at separation scores and
Speaker 2: route win rate, it doesn't look great for him. So
Speaker 2: I wonder when I go back and I'm gonna look
Speaker 2: at Mems more of this offseason, I think he's gonna
Speaker 2: get a guy, be a guy that once we get
Speaker 2: into the off season and stuff, just based off of
Speaker 2: all of us nerdery and the spreadsheets and stuff, the
Speaker 2: numbers pop for him. I think he easily could be
Speaker 2: Don Tavian Wicks of upcoming twenty twenty five. Like, if
Speaker 2: you look at Marvin Mems amongst all wide receivers at
Speaker 2: least fifty targets, we're talking about a guy that was
Speaker 2: fourteenth in target per route run rate, and he was
Speaker 2: also fifth in yards per route run. So as the
Speaker 2: as all the astute people in the industry start writing
Speaker 2: off season content and dynasty stuff, I think he's probably
Speaker 2: gonna get steamed up a little bit when we walk
Speaker 2: into draft season next year, assuming that Denver doesn't add
Speaker 2: like some of their prolific pass catcher to the offense.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the Raiders four and thirteen this year.
Speaker 1: It's just a really tough spot for him to be in, Like,
Speaker 1: considering you're in the division with Mahomes and Andy Reid,
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert and Jim Harbaugh, now Bo Nicks and Sean Payton, Like,
Speaker 1: this is really a tough spot to be Do you
Speaker 1: wrote what is your fantasy takeaway here for Vegas?
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna keep this easy. Man, Rock Bowers is him.
Speaker 2: I didn't draft a.
Speaker 1: Ton of him.
Speaker 2: I wasn't as much on him, and it wasn't the
Speaker 2: talent I got really caught up in season with. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's Luke Getsy man, he's gonna find a way to
Speaker 2: screw this up. He's gonna say, hold my beer. And
Speaker 2: Luke Getz got out of the way. They got the
Speaker 2: jettison him, shot him off into the sun. And Rock
Speaker 2: Bowers is him. I mean, dude, he's he was He
Speaker 2: was awesome. I mean, we want to compare this even
Speaker 2: to the Sam Laporta rookie season and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: This is even better than that. I mean, you break
Speaker 2: the NFL rookie record for receptions. He's a tight end
Speaker 2: three in fantasy points per game, He's top five and
Speaker 2: yards per route run and receiving yards per game. I mean,
Speaker 2: give it. Give him a competent quarterback play next year.
Speaker 2: Rock Bowers tight end one overall, It's not difficult to see.
Speaker 1: Boys. I don't know who it will be, but let's
Speaker 1: just say the Raiders have the sixteenth best quarterback in
Speaker 1: football next season. Whoever that is, is Bowers in that
Speaker 1: scenario worth taking in like early second round pick. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've seen years where Kelsey was going in the first
Speaker 1: round the.
Speaker 2: Same treatment of last draft season.
Speaker 1: Basically, I mean, yeah, and Laporta I felt like was
Speaker 1: more at least in the draft I was in, he
Speaker 1: was more like a early third round pick. He didn't
Speaker 1: quite creep into that borderline first round range unless it
Speaker 1: was a tight end premium league. But I feel like Bauers,
Speaker 1: like because of the prospect pre pedigree was even better
Speaker 1: than Laporta's was coming into the NFL, and does this,
Speaker 1: you know, sets records and did it with a poor
Speaker 1: quarterback situation. If we think it's improved at all, I
Speaker 1: mean to see somebody that's worth considering it, just the
Speaker 1: difference he can make it the position for you, Yes
Speaker 1: and no.
Speaker 2: I think there's a conversation if there's gonna be an
Speaker 2: ADP gap between like him and Trey McBride or another
Speaker 2: year George Kittle to take the value, is it justified?
Speaker 2: I think it is considering all those things. But again,
Speaker 2: it kind of feels like we did this last year
Speaker 2: with Sam Laporta. So I mean, you know there's gonna
Speaker 2: be some trepidation and fear could blow up and Oliver
Speaker 2: for you again.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna have Debro because I know you really
Speaker 1: like mcbridey you're gonna have him ahead of Bowers?
Speaker 2: Are you gonna have I think the conversation is between
Speaker 2: those two for tighten one overall next year.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's a tier of two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did too. I think I think it just
Speaker 2: comes down to, you know, what do we think about
Speaker 2: those two players? But I think those are the conversation
Speaker 2: begins and ends for those two for tight end one
Speaker 2: overall fits.
Speaker 1: Obviously, nobody was hiring brock Bowers that you were, even
Speaker 1: in you know, redraft, even with the landing spot in
Speaker 1: Dynasty rookie drafts.
Speaker 3: I mean, you just never once shied away from.
Speaker 1: Him as as I think you had him as Dynasty
Speaker 1: tight end one before the season started, right, so you
Speaker 1: could could not have been more on board with this,
Speaker 1: So you already knew brock.
Speaker 3: Bowers was him.
Speaker 1: Any other kind of takeaways from that perspective for his season, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know what the heck you guys are talking about.
Speaker 4: Is in a possible early second rounder? I think he's
Speaker 4: a first rounder this season.
Speaker 1: Yes, I actually had a strong sense you did feel
Speaker 1: that way, which is why I framed it the way
Speaker 1: I did the because I knew you would be immediately.
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean I think Trey McBride is a locked
Speaker 4: in second rounder and Bauer should go in the first
Speaker 4: I mean, look at what this guy did this year
Speaker 4: with Aidan O'Connell and Gardner Manshew as his quarterbacks. And
Speaker 4: I have the same sort of trepidation about Luke Getsy
Speaker 4: the Debro did. But then in his first preseason game,
Speaker 4: Getsy had Bauers lining up in the slot, in the backfield,
Speaker 4: out wide, in line, like all over the place. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 4: gets gets he gets it. And uh yeah, So I.
Speaker 3: Mean, what what pick in the first round? Are you
Speaker 3: taking him?
Speaker 1: Fits?
Speaker 3: Are you taking is he?
Speaker 1: Like? Yeah, he's like my twelfth overall player, So he
Speaker 1: sneaks into the first round.
Speaker 3: Are you like, you know, pick.
Speaker 1: Seven, the elite elite receiver and running back options are gone.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's actually the number, but just
Speaker 1: you know, in that mid range, are you like, I'm
Speaker 1: turning to Bowers.
Speaker 4: I would consider him as high as number eight, and
Speaker 4: that is where I had him in my first mock
Speaker 4: draft that we just published a few days ago. People
Speaker 4: want to check that out, go to fantasypros dot com
Speaker 4: and you can find it. But yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 4: think there is still a case to be made with
Speaker 4: the tight end scarcity, and it still exists. It's a
Speaker 4: little better than it was. Maybe when it was like
Speaker 4: Kelsey big drop off to Mark Andrews, big drop off
Speaker 4: after that, But now it's like Bowers McBride, then in
Speaker 4: aging George Kittle, who's probably like a third round value,
Speaker 4: and after that things start to get dicey Laporte. I
Speaker 4: guess maybe he's a fourth rounder. But man, if you
Speaker 4: want to just like very affirmatively answer the big tight
Speaker 4: end question that everyone's going to have and just like
Speaker 4: take care of it the first round, get this dude
Speaker 4: who came in as a rookie and had an eleven
Speaker 4: hundred yard season and just look like an absolute beast.
Speaker 4: I totally get it. I think it's justified.
Speaker 2: We are fresh off the season, so I just like
Speaker 2: I pulled up fantasy leaders on fantasypros dot com.
Speaker 3: I will own this.
Speaker 2: I was not aware, guys, the top three tight ends
Speaker 2: and fantasy points per game were only separated by point
Speaker 2: three points. Like legit, brock Bowers could have been the
Speaker 2: tight end one overall if only a small bit like
Speaker 2: moved in his way, like George Kittle was tight ended
Speaker 2: one to fifteen point eight. Brock Bowers fifteen point five.
Speaker 2: That's insane. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually kind of thought he might have been
Speaker 1: tight in what I had forgotten that Kittle pulled ahead.
Speaker 1: But that's uh yeah, what a season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean more up points per game. I don't
Speaker 2: care about total points.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, we'll wrap up there.
Speaker 1: We are doing, like I said, all the divisions, so
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Speaker 1: the in the next few days. Be sure to keep
Speaker 1: it out for those. So that was the FC West
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