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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 3: Edith state is that woo woom?

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Speaker 4: And Dan and Tie.

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Speaker 2: Dan Rubinstein, welcome back to the show, my good friend.

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Speaker 2: Hope you had a good weekend. It's warmer outside. The

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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 4: Down here in the basement.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we move the clocks ahead, so things are starting

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Speaker 4: How are you good?

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Speaker 3: Coming fresh off of a dominant first grade basketball w yesterday, Tye,

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Speaker 3: everything is good. I'm under the impression that this is

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Speaker 3: our episode two of DTF Saint Louis, our recap episode.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're current, Tie, I have no

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Speaker 4: Is that a real show? Louis?

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Speaker 1: DT have St. Louis. It's on HBO.

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Speaker 3: Not a sponsor could be, but it would be a

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Speaker 3: It's a Jason Bateman David Harbor Linda Cardellini show about

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Speaker 3: Escapade's Gone Wrong, Ty.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what it's any good, but I

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Speaker 4: Are you pro Bateman?

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Speaker 3: Of course I'm gonna. I'm gonna arrest development humans. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't watch all of his dramatic work. I've listened

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Speaker 3: to some episodes of SmartLess, but to me, Jason Bateman

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Speaker 1: How does she feel about Rashad Bateman pro transition?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so well I'll do We won't do that episode today,

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Speaker 2: Question number one from Chris, will Kaitlin de Boor still

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Speaker 3: I say yes, just because, Okay, obviously there was some

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Speaker 3: Their schedule is an SEC schedule, and.

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Speaker 4: I don't even think it's a debate.

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Speaker 2: I also think his biggest problem is not what happens

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Speaker 2: Saban's shadows. So unless things completely go sideways, does it

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Speaker 2: make sense to pay a guy who's a really good

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Speaker 2: in effect put yourself back in the exact same situation

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Speaker 2: that is viewed as a clear upgrade over Kaylen. I

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Speaker 2: I am making a very logical argument here. I believe

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Speaker 3: And look, this is it's also more and more fair

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Speaker 3: to judge Alabama and Kaylen de Boor in twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: This is not Kaylen de Boor coaching dudes, he didn't

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Speaker 4: Thing, No, this is his show.

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Speaker 3: Austin Mack was a high school recruit of Kaylen de

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Speaker 3: Bor's at Washington. If he wins the job, Keilon Russell

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Speaker 3: is fully developed by Kaylen de Bor, for better or

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Speaker 4: Like this is his team. It's so it's his show.

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Speaker 3: Whatever, Grace, he was barely extended from Alabama for some

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Speaker 2: So there's no there's the safety net to an extent

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Speaker 2: I think is gone.

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Speaker 4: But I will add this back.

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Speaker 2: Eleven new offensive linemen came in either via high school

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Speaker 2: The gounlet of the schedule. I think people will fixate

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to watch that. I think everyone knows

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Speaker 2: Tyler writes in he wants to know, is the new

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Speaker 4: Their current program to go somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: So his question is, again, does it make it easier

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Speaker 3: I still don't think you're going to see mid tier

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Speaker 1: And I don't I don't.

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Speaker 1: Be like trying of diblematic here.

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Speaker 4: It's a generational run, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to be diplomatic here that like, there's just

443
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Speaker 3: more work to do at a lot of those places,

444
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Speaker 3: and you're not going to be able to develop as

445
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Speaker 3: cleanly in a lot of those places, like we saw

446
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Speaker 3: with Dante Moore in UCLA immediate playing time deficiencies at UCLA,

447
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Speaker 3: and then he goes to Oregon, sits out a year

448
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Speaker 3: and is developed more thoroughly and is given time to

449
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Speaker 3: grow into a better quarterback. So yes, in theory, which

450
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Speaker 3: is what you said, but in practice you have different

451
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Speaker 3: challenges to deal with.

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Speaker 2: I think definitionally is a word, by the way, Yes,

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Speaker 2: it means by definition in a manner that relates to

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Speaker 2: the definition of a turn. I don't know what that

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Speaker 2: definition of definitionally means, but Gemini at.

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Speaker 4: Least if you, you know, take out the ground. So

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Speaker 4: I don't. But the AI overview here on the Googles

458
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Speaker 4: is telling me that it is.

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Speaker 2: Well is it so hard for you to go to

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Speaker 2: Miriam Webster? Well, is that's so difficult for you? I

461
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Speaker 2: just type I'm in the middle of the show, Dan

462
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Speaker 2: okaysking over here.

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Speaker 3: Meaning okay, what's the word for definitionally? But less fake

464
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Speaker 3: sounding is the first see on Reddit. Yeah, yeah, it

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Speaker 3: does it. Miriam Webster does say definitional and definitionally are words,

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Speaker 3: So I feel got good about that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Tyler for that wonderful question. I want to

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Speaker 2: go to this question from Jeff.

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Speaker 4: I love this question, Dan Okay.

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Speaker 2: I spent the entirety of my shower earlier today thinking

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Speaker 2: about this question. Jeff wants to know if you could

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Speaker 2: alter one thing in college football history since the year

473
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Speaker 2: two thousand, what would it be end?

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Speaker 4: Why?

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Speaker 2: One thing since the year of Our Lord two thousand.

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Speaker 3: I am making sure Michael Dyer's elbow goes through the turf, selfishly,

477
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Speaker 3: leaving no doubt he's got the muddiest, grassiest elbow in

478
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Speaker 3: all of where was that Arizona, in all of the

479
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Speaker 3: Glendale whatever, University of Phoenix stadium at the time. That's

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Speaker 3: my one as an organ fan. My two as an

481
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Speaker 3: orgon fan is I'm somehow giving Dennis Dixon extra ACL

482
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Speaker 3: strengthening in August before the two thousand and seven season.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that would actually help. My medical

484
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Speaker 3: knowledge is quite low. I don't know did they have

485
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Speaker 3: that technology. I don't know how you can strengthen a ligament,

486
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Speaker 3: but I'm sure you can. You can, you know, do

487
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Speaker 3: load in eccentric training or something like that, and that'll

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Speaker 3: help out. Otherwise as a sport, you know, something that

489
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Speaker 3: I think would have improved college football. If I could

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Speaker 3: go change any one thing, an easy answer would be

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Speaker 3: like not letting the Longhorn Network happen, because that is

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Speaker 3: one of the things and one of the reasons why

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Speaker 3: we have had so much realignment. I kind of think

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Speaker 3: it's inevitable when you get so much money involved in

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Speaker 3: a sport that certain players and programs and players by players,

496
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Speaker 3: I mean programs and people with stakes here are going

497
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Speaker 3: to want more of it than others that they think

498
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Speaker 3: that they've earned and the others haven't. Sure, So I

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Speaker 3: kind of think realignment because we've always had realignment in

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Speaker 3: the sport. We've always had independence, like Penn State, you know,

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Speaker 3: join a conference. We've always had even before the Longhorn Network,

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Speaker 3: like the Big East was up and down in football,

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Speaker 3: like we've We've just had a lot of change, Florida

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Speaker 3: State joining the ACC that you know, realignment didn't started

505
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Speaker 3: two thousand and nine or whatever, So that would have

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Speaker 3: been the easy thing to say, but I think we

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Speaker 3: still would have gotten you know, the Texas schools and

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Speaker 3: the Oklahoma schools. Then going to the Pac ten twelve.

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Speaker 2: Well, now that might have been my more I'm afraid, yeah.

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Speaker 4: That if you keep going. You're gonna steal my thunder

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Speaker 4: with this.

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Speaker 3: Sorry sorry, sorry, that would have been from a pure

513
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Speaker 3: entertainment standpoint, that shifts a lot of the weight of

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Speaker 3: the sport westward, which, just given where I'm from and

515
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Speaker 3: where my interests in history with the sport lie, that

516
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Speaker 3: might be my answer, but that that realigns the sport similarly,

517
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Speaker 3: just in terms of scope, but just in a different way.

518
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Speaker 3: So I think the personal one is Michael Dyer's muddy

519
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Speaker 3: grassy elbow, and then the big picture one. You know,

520
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Speaker 3: there's always what ifs with recruiting, and you know, this

521
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Speaker 3: coach accepted this job, but then last second, you know,

522
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Speaker 3: decided not to, and rich Rod and Bama and all

523
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Speaker 3: you know, with their stories like that all over the place.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say those four schools moving westward, just

525
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Speaker 3: because that would be a fun exercise to see where

526
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Speaker 3: the sport would have you know, what the SEC would

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Speaker 3: have done in terms of growing itself, what the Big

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Speaker 3: ten would have done in terms of an answer that's

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Speaker 3: probably just out of curiosity, my what.

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Speaker 4: If do you remember? Do you remember all of the

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Speaker 4: just hype?

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the right word is. I can't

533
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Speaker 2: even put it into words. I remember being at the

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Speaker 2: Mysterious day Job reading at the time anybody who posted

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Speaker 2: about conference re alignment. And I remember East Coast Elliott

536
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Speaker 2: at the time long timer on the show, East Coast

537
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Speaker 2: Elliott sending links around then via our corporate email addresses

538
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Speaker 2: to remember Frank the Tank talking about conference re alignment.

539
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Speaker 2: I remember how this kind of captured the imagining.

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Speaker 4: And then it went away. It went away.

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Speaker 2: I believe that was in twenty ten, just sort of

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Speaker 2: went away. It didn't materialize, obviously, Texas Oklahoma end up

543
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Speaker 2: now in the SEC.

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Speaker 4: I remember those days.

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Speaker 2: I don't think of them necessarily in a positive light,

546
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Speaker 2: but I just remember it being the biggest conversation point

547
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Speaker 2: back in the early days of our show, and just

548
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Speaker 2: as a college football fan looking to kill time on

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Speaker 2: the internet during work hours. M hm, that was a

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Speaker 2: very big deal my answer, and I was worried you

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Speaker 2: were going to go here with it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: If I had won America's Next Great Sports Writer in

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Speaker 3: two thousand and six.

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Speaker 4: We know you didn't we know that was me.

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Speaker 1: I was an honorable mention ty kit.

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Speaker 4: I mean, listen, nobody's perfect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had Larry Scott being named the PAC twelve

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Speaker 2: commissioner circa two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's a pretty good answer.

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Speaker 2: I like that because you'll remember, initially he got I

562
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Speaker 2: praise because he landed a TV contract, but then after

563
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Speaker 2: that it was sort of a masterclass in mismanagement, and

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Speaker 2: I believe he kind of enriched himself with maybe the

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Speaker 2: highest conference commissioner's salary, something in the neighborhood of five

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Speaker 2: million dollars. In addition to launching the PAC twelve network,

567
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Speaker 2: which didn't really work good programming, didn't really work financially speaking,

568
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Speaker 2: moved the entire conference to very expensive office space in

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Speaker 2: San Francisco, bleeding the conference of money, despite the fact

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Speaker 2: that there was going to be this looming threat of

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Speaker 2: what was to come next. And so Larry Scott is

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Speaker 2: the commissioner for what twelve years. They eventually forced him

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Speaker 2: out in twenty twenty one, and that's when they turn

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Speaker 2: it over to George Klievkoff, who I believe I just

575
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Speaker 2: pronounced his last name correctly for the first time ever. Right,

576
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Speaker 2: the fact that we've been talking about this guy on

577
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Speaker 2: and off for the last couple of years, he was

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Speaker 2: putting a no in situation a to try and clean

579
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Speaker 2: up Larry Scott's best and be to try and land

580
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Speaker 2: some sort of media rights deal that would keep the

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Speaker 2: conference together. And this is the other aspect of this

582
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Speaker 2: that I need to mention, because you may recall, at

583
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Speaker 2: least as the story goes via public reporting, there was

584
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Speaker 2: an offer from ESPN in the neighborhood of thirty million

585
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Speaker 2: dollars per school that would have kept the PAC twelve together,

586
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Speaker 2: would have extended METIA rights. And perhaps we're not in

587
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Speaker 2: this situation we're in now where the conference dissolved that

588
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Speaker 2: is now being rebuilt in a much different image A

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Speaker 2: big twelve ish number, correct, Yeah, But then I believe

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Speaker 2: it was the President of Utah, via a professor that

591
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Speaker 2: he worked with who I've never actually seemed named anywhere. Yeah,

592
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Speaker 2: but an unnamed professor took a fifty million dollar figure

593
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Speaker 2: to the President of Utah who worked that one back

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Speaker 2: up the chain. It was believed at the time that

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Speaker 2: George Kliefkoff was going to take that number, give it

596
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Speaker 2: to ESPN and use it as something of a bargaining chip,

597
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Speaker 2: hopefully to meet in the middle, maybe get to a

598
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Speaker 2: forty million dollar number, at which point it would have

599
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Speaker 2: been Hey, We're all good, let's sign the deal. Let's

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Speaker 2: move on with our lives. Pack twelve lives.

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Speaker 1: Well maybe maybe not, maybe maybe not, but instead, well,

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Speaker 1: because look, you had Colorado looking already, you had people looking.

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Speaker 4: But here here's where I'm going with this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Instead, it is widely believed that there was some sort

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Speaker 2: of miscommunication.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, USC and UCLA were gone anyway,

608
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Speaker 3: so it's not even the PAC twelve. I mean, it's

609
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Speaker 3: called the PAC twelve, so you're dealing with ten teams

610
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Speaker 3: and maybe like adding Boise in San Diego State exactly, yeah, correct, correct, correct, yeah,

611
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Speaker 3: but it was intended to be used as more of

612
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Speaker 3: a bargaining chip. Instead it was however it was conveyed,

613
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Speaker 3: it was communicated more as like a take it or

614
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Speaker 3: leave it type of situation, and ESPN left it, and

615
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: that put us among other things. It wasn't just solely

616
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Speaker 3: this among other things, that weird comedy of airrors put

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Speaker 3: us in this situation we're in now where to many

618
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: people college football is unrecognizable mm hm. And so if

619
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Speaker 3: I could undo one thing, even though I am not

620
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Speaker 3: from the West coast, even though I do not have

621
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Speaker 3: any West Coast rooting interests.

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Speaker 4: That is the one thing.

623
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Speaker 2: That people like to email in about time and again

624
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: as the moment where college football felt very different to them.

625
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: It's not an al right, it's not the transfer portal.

626
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Speaker 2: And those things in their own right have made college

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Speaker 2: football feel very different than it was when we were

628
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: growing up. But this thing, this thing here, the PAC

629
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Speaker 2: twelve going the way of the dinosaur. That was the

630
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Speaker 2: thing that really put a lot of people off. So

631
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Speaker 2: if I could undo one thing, let's get rid of

632
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Speaker 2: Larry Scott. Let's get rid of that whole fiasco, and

633
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: hopefully the PAC twelve is still intact.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Larry Scott thing is probably bigger.

635
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a whole bunch of factors here, you

636
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Speaker 3: know that just USC and UCLA, and gravity of the

637
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 3: LA schools not necessarily especially UCLA holding up their end

638
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Speaker 3: of the bargain in terms of being some sort of

639
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Speaker 3: national a consistent national conversation team, USC being not a

640
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: you know, losing their spot as a power in the sport,

641
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Speaker 3: so the gravity was not as heavy. Moving towards the

642
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: West coast, you know, Washington had a couple of terrific years.

643
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: Oregon obviously has been strong but USC not holding up

644
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Speaker 3: their end of the bargain. And then so if you

645
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Speaker 3: get to a Pac ten situation with USC and UCLA

646
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Speaker 3: already leaving because it's assured that they're going to make

647
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Speaker 3: a lot more money as a Big ten team.

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Speaker 1: Than they are as a CLA needs that money in twelve.

649
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Speaker 4: They need, they need the money.

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Speaker 1: They both do.

651
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Speaker 3: It was USC leading the way. I don't think Dan

652
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Speaker 3: Lanning's at Oregon anymore.

653
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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: I think Dan Lanning's at Oregon and has stayed at

655
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Speaker 3: Oregon because Oregon is playing in a much bigger conference

656
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Speaker 3: than what that Pack ten would have looked like. I

657
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Speaker 3: don't think he's as vocal about not wanting to leave

658
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Speaker 3: Oregon ever. I think he's, you know, the head coached

659
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Speaker 3: Alabama or something. Not not to say that he's not

660
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Speaker 3: a loyal dude and not a good dude as it

661
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 3: relates to his loyalty to Oregon. But he has said

662
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: in the past that this is a big deal for

663
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,479
Speaker 3: Oregon with the ability to play those much bigger games nationally,

664
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 3: right to play in Michigan Stadium, to play in the shoe,

665
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 3: to play in a white out at Beaver Stadium. It's

666
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 3: just a different level. As much as I like to

667
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 3: be romantic about playing in Martin Stadium or playing at

668
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 3: sun Devil Stadium, it's a different level, and that elevates

669
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 3: Oregon's place in the sport to play in the Big ten.

670
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,479
Speaker 3: And so I don't know if Oregon's looking to leave

671
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 3: a PAC ten, but a school like Oregon Washington, having

672
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 3: been to the playoff a couple times, I don't think

673
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 3: they're satisfied with a less than stellar deal when they

674
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 3: have proven themselves on the national level.

675
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, as you said, I did a quick

676
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: speed run of the history of the PAC twelve, the

677
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: demise of the pack call. There's obviously a lot more

678
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: to it, but that's history as I remember it, and

679
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 2: as it has been told and retold to us many

680
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: times over by people who email in saying that the

681
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: sport feels different to them.

682
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 4: I would change that answer the question.

683
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, Let's.

684
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: Go to this question from Daniel. Will TV networks eventually

685
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 2: stop Power four teams from canceling marquee matchups with other

686
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: Power four teams?

687
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: Dan, it's a good question.

688
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I think conferences and TV networks are kind

689
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: of scared to admit who holds the power in that

690
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 3: much of a direct way that like a conference would

691
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 3: be like, well, we're playing this game because you know,

692
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: Disney or News Corp Or Fox ABC whatever told us that,

693
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 3: you know, we have to play these kinds of games

694
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: like they don't want to fully give up the game

695
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: like that.

696
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: I don't think publicly.

697
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 3: Stop Power four teams from canceling those matchups.

698
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

699
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 3: I think they will just incentivize them to play them.

700
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 3: Whether it's a money thing, whether it's a you know,

701
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: playing on a specific stage or whatever it is. I

702
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 3: think they'll incentivize them. And it's also they will the conferences,

703
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 3: the TV networks, whatever, will incentivize you know, whoever is

704
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 3: deciding what the playoff is going to be, to expand

705
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 3: the playoff to the point sure where these schools will

706
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: not want to cancel them because you can everybody from

707
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 3: the SEC or Big ten will always get in at

708
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: nine and three.

709
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 4: That's the answer I see.

710
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: I think I don't think they'll be able to stop them,

711
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: but in canceling, No, I don't think they'll stop them

712
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: from canceling. I think they're going to expand the playoff

713
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: so that it doesn't matter as much. If you schedule,

714
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: you know, a game against Ohio State in Week four,

715
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: a loss isn't going to hurt you because the playoff

716
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: field has like twenty two teams in it, whatever that

717
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 2: number is going to end up being. I'm not saying

718
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: I'm arguing for that. I'm not, but I think that's

719
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: probably where the conversation heads next. Obviously, if you're a

720
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: TV network, you want to put the most marque matchups

721
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 2: on every week. And you know, we had that conversation

722
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: Scott doctor Man from The Athletic who like go back

723
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: to the beginning of last season read his report on

724
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: how the networks figure out when games are played and

725
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: who's got which games on which networks. I mean, that

726
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 2: aspect of things is something that I think you and

727
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: I want to focus on here in the offseason, because

728
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 2: we're very interested in how all of that comes to fruition.

729
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: So that's definitely an area of interest for us, and

730
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: certainly in an area of interest when it comes to

731
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: things like this big market matchups, how do they get

732
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: on TV?

733
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 4: To begin with?

734
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: There is clearly always going to be an appetite to

735
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: have more games like that, and so the only way

736
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: that you can continue scheduling them without penalizing teams further

737
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 2: if they take a loss. Is a what they did

738
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 2: last year, which is try to de emphasize the value

739
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 2: of a loss in a marquee game when it comes

740
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: down to who gets into the playoff and who doesn't,

741
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: and then be expand the playoffs.

742
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 4: So maybe it doesn't matter as much at all. I

743
00:37:58,960 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 4: think that's where it's headed.

744
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 3: I think, well, the other thing too, is and again

745
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 3: this isn't for the TV networks to do per se.

746
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: But since everybody's sort of.

747
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: Incahoots, in my opinion, conspiracy.

748
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 3: Of course, here's my tinfoil hat. Now, now this isn't

749
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: really a conspiracy thing is will we get to the

750
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 3: point where schools like Indiana and Texas Tech have their

751
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: non conference schedules magnified and get punished if they're not

752
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 3: winning a conference and they're an at large team that

753
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: an eleven and one team with Indiana's non conference or

754
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 3: Texas Tech non conference is suddenly below a ten and

755
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: two or nine to three team who scheduled Michigan or

756
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: Oklahoma or Texas or Ohio State or Texas A and

757
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: m or Arizona State. Take your pick. Of like a

758
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 3: strong power for school rather than Old Dominion or Southern

759
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 3: or Abilene Christian, any of those types of schools which

760
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: you will see on some of those schedules. Will we

761
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 3: get to the point where you are punished? And look,

762
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 3: this is all a product of When Indiana's ad booked

763
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 3: this schedule, they were saying, how do we schedule to

764
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: get to seventy five? When Texas text ad was like,

765
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: how do we get to eight wins? That would be

766
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 3: super cool if we got to eight wins. Let's schedule

767
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 3: three wins in September. They didn't necessarily anticipate these schools

768
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 3: hiring and spending and hiring and spending their way too,

769
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: and portaling and everything that has gone into the success

770
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 3: of schools like this, which, by the way, those teams

771
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 3: were excellent this past year regardless of who they played.

772
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 3: But it's a seeding thing. It's a Okay, you're ten

773
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 3: and two and they're ten and two. They scheduled really good,

774
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: really well in September.

775
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: You didn't.

776
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 3: So that's the tiebreaker. And we've seen certain situations throughout

777
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 3: the history of college football and the BCS era, when

778
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 3: Auburn was left out. You go back and look at

779
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 3: their non conference versus like us c's non conference that year,

780
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 3: Like we've seen teams punished when it's on the margin,

781
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: pretty similar. I just if we're expanding the playoff, it's

782
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 3: ultimately not going to matter. And the other point of

783
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 3: this too, I would say, And I just want to

784
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 3: make sure this is known. I think these huge schools

785
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 3: love these matchups, like I think they want to play

786
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: these games. They just don't want to be punished for

787
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 3: playing these games per se, or you know, claiming they're

788
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: being punished for playing these games when you lose other

789
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 3: winnable games. They love getting the attention of playing against

790
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 3: a high profile opponent. They love the ability to say,

791
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: we're Texas, so of course we're playing in this kind

792
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 3: of game. We're Notre Dame, We're LSU where Wisconsin whatever.

793
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: They love playing on stages like this because it's great

794
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 3: for the school to receive that kind of attention on sure, CBS, ABC, NBC, Fox, whatever.

795
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 3: It's great for the school, it's great for recruiting, it's

796
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 3: great for exposure, it's great to reinforce your perceived brand value,

797
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 3: like these are great or spots for these places.

798
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 2: Actually, Like I had John Kurtz on the show Right

799
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: a couple weeks ago, and one of his talking points

800
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: on his channel Open for Business is how the BYU

801
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: Notre Dame game coming up this year is perhaps the

802
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: biggest game in the entire.

803
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 4: Big twelve schedule.

804
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: Yes, and totally his point.

805
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: I think is something you're speaking to, which is the

806
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 2: notoriety that a conference that a team gets from playing

807
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: a big matchup shouldn't be undervalued.

808
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: Right.

809
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: If BAU were to win that game, clearly it gives

810
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: their playoff case a big boost. Clearly it gives the

811
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 2: conference a bit of a boost as well, just being

812
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 2: in a matchup like that against a team that I

813
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: think we would agree, and Notre Dame is a contender

814
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: going into the twenty twenty six season. If nothing more,

815
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 2: a game featuring Notre Dame is always going to draw ratings.

816
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: Having those games on your schedule, you know, that's not

817
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: necessarily a net loss. Even if you lose, if you

818
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: ecquit yourself, well, it still stands for something, and it

819
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 2: should stand for something in this era of college football.

820
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 2: So I am with you. I obviously would like to

821
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 2: see more matchups like this. I am with the coaches

822
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: who would like to play in more matchups like this

823
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: to give themselves, if nothing more, a pretty good smoke

824
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: test see how the team acquits itself against better competition.

825
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: I hope it doesn't get to a point where we

826
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: see more of these matchups falling by the wayside because

827
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: it doesn't help the playoff case. But if there are

828
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: things that can be done short of expanding the playoff

829
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: to make sure that we still get them, I'd be

830
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: in favor of that.

831
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, the only thing I would sort of shift around.

832
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 3: And we did get a question and maybe this is

833
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 3: a part B of the of the question here about

834
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: like could the Big twelve? Is there a world in

835
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 3: which the Big Twelve gets two bids the playoffs? R? Yes,

836
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: But that world I think is based around the point

837
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: you're making and the reason why that game is so huge.

838
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: And I do think it's tough to say like, oh,

839
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: if BYU acquits itself, well, again, like that's sort of

840
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: almost to subject B why you should receive points and

841
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 3: should receive credit for scheduling Notre Dame and you know,

842
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 3: doing a home and home thing with Notre Dame. And yes,

843
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 3: but you know what, you gotta win the game. If

844
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: you're looking for that bid, Like, yes, you can get

845
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 3: points for scheduling that game, but that's just a harder way.

846
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 3: That's just harder to quantify that, Like let's give BYU credit,

847
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: but how much credit? They didn't win the game, but

848
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: they looked pretty good in that game. Like BYU needs

849
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: to beat Notre Dame in order for BYU to probably

850
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: find themselves in the playoff not winning the Big Twelve,

851
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 3: Like they're gonna need something like that, because what we've

852
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: seen from the committee recently and every year, it's a

853
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 3: different you know, it's a different Big Twelve, and we

854
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 3: should appraise the the Big Twelve as a whole differently

855
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: every year based on what they look like. But if

856
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 3: recent history serves then they're probably not gonna get too

857
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 3: many benefits of the doubt after the first two teams.

858
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 4: Right, three, Well, so let me let me pivot.

859
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: There's one other game. There's one other game. Continue.

860
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 4: What's the other game for you?

861
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: ASU is traveling to TEXTA A and m oh yeah.

862
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 3: So sure if you are Asu and ten and two,

863
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 3: and or if you are BYU and ten and two

864
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 3: and we're suddenly measuring you against Oregon or USC or

865
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 3: Io R take your pick of a team who is

866
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: in that at large conversation. And ASU has not only

867
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 3: scheduled really well, but they beat and I don't know

868
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 3: where Texas A and M is going to end up

869
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: in the preseason top twenty five, but they're generally considered

870
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 3: top ten ish at the moment. To go to Kyle

871
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 3: Field and win, it's a huge, huge deal. So ASU

872
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 3: would be in that. You know, Okay, they're in the

873
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 3: Big twelve, but they went to text A and M

874
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: and one they're in the Big twelve, but they beat

875
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 3: Notre Dame. Right that, like that suddenly gives you a

876
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: resume that becomes all the more impressive.

877
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: Well, let's hit the part B right now from Eric. Okay,

878
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: Eric says, should Utah fans be worried about the program's

879
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 2: direction after Kyle Whittingham's departure? And can the Big twelve

880
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 2: ever get two playoff bids? So two separate questions, right,

881
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: but related but related? We can start with the Big

882
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: twelve and the two bid conference thing, because to me,

883
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: that's fascinating. That is a fascinating point of discussion. I

884
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: think of it from a slightly different standpoint than I

885
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: believe he is asking here. Yeah, I think of it

886
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 2: in terms of it being a math problem, because the

887
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 2: math is very simple. If Notre Dame gets in the

888
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: top twelve for these new rules, they're getting into the playoff.

889
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 4: That's one team.

890
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 2: Yep, there's gonna be one G five team getting in

891
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: at a minimum. I would presume in most years it's

892
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 2: going to be just one. But that's two in the

893
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: twelve team are in the twelve team. We don't know

894
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: how much longer it's gonna last important disclaimer, thank you.

895
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

896
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: Acc Big Twelve champions, they each get a spot in.

897
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:50,959
Speaker 4: That's four.

898
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: That leaves you eight spots, and you need to pick

899
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: off one if you want to get a two team,

900
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 2: two bid situation going to the College Fotball Playoff for

901
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve. The most informed thing that I can

902
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: tell you at this juncture, Eric, is that it's a

903
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: wide open league.

904
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

905
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: I've always loved the Big Twelve. I have started researching

906
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve. I have not fully done previews or

907
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 2: anything like that. It's still early March, but the Big

908
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: Twelve is wide open, and I think there are plenty

909
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: of teams in the conference that could make the case

910
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: that they could if things break in their direction, grab

911
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: one of those eight spots and keep it for themselves.

912
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 4: Sure.

913
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 2: My bigger question though, and this is why I bring

914
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: this up, I kind of have a sub question for you.

915
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 2: As I was thinking about this, the thought crossed my mind, Hey,

916
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 2: why does the Big twelve want to play a conference

917
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 2: championship game at all?

918
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: Fair?

919
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 4: What's the point of that?

920
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: Because if you think of that math problem in those terms,

921
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: if you got eight spots left, yeah, why not use

922
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 2: the tie breaker in your sixteen team conference to declare

923
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: a league champ or declare co champs and make it

924
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: interesting for the committee? Like, why risk giving one of

925
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: your top two teams another loss? Even if the committee says, oh,

926
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, we don't penalize it. We know they

927
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 2: kind of do not in all cases, but in some

928
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 2: cases they do. Why give them the benefit of another

929
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 2: Big Twelve loss to try and keep these teams out?

930
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: Why not just stop it, declare a champ or co

931
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 2: champs and then let the rest figure itself out via

932
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: the committee or whatever process they claim to use.

933
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 3: Well in that situation, Okay, so the Big Twelve and

934
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: the ACC are trying to do everything they can one

935
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 3: for themselves and two to make sure the SEC and

936
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 3: the Big ten are cool with them, right, They're not

937
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: trying to roughle any feathers. So if the SEC and

938
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: Big Ten are still going to play a conference championship game,

939
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 3: then the Big twelve is going to be like, we're

940
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 3: going to make things easier for our teams while it's

941
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 3: more difficult for your teams, right, and we're going to

942
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: eliminate that extra game too. I think they have a

943
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 3: deal in place financially to play this game.

944
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 4: I understand that there's a deal, but I'm saying hypothetically.

945
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 2: Why what's I hear you, Well, it's the upside other

946
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: than they're all try and keep up with the Joneses.

947
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: What is the practical upside to playing this game? If

948
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 2: if one of your teams loses, they might hold it

949
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: against them. It's another week to beat up your best teams.

950
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: You know, you're guaranteed one spot for these new rules.

951
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 2: Whoever wins the conference gets in. So why not just

952
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: say this is who we are electing as our conference

953
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: champion and you guys can figure out the rest.

954
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: Because they're not in charge.

955
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 3: It's whatever the Big Ten and SEC tell them. The

956
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 3: competitive structure of the sport is going to be. That's

957
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 3: where the Big twelve is at the moment, and they're

958
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: doing their best to maximize who they are. Also with

959
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 3: regard to the two bid thing, it's not fair, it's

960
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 3: not right. But the taste left in everybody's mouth with

961
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 3: the Big twelve is our champion who murdered everybody, including

962
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 3: the second best team in the clear second best team

963
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 3: in the conference, who was definitely of playoff caliber, and

964
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: BYU Texas Tech had nothing to prove against BYU to

965
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 3: your point in the conference championship game this year, it

966
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 3: won't always be the case. They had nothing to prove

967
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: and went out and trounced them again. And so then

968
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,439
Speaker 3: the champion that trounce the second best team twice went

969
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 3: to the College Football Playoff as a top five seed

970
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 3: and scored how many points in the playoff? I believe

971
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 3: a big old gooseg it be zero points, and perception

972
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 3: becomes reality when you're measuring teams against each other when

973
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: you have a limited sample size. I'm not saying the

974
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 3: Big twelve doesn't have enough quality to send two teams

975
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 3: to the College Football Playoff, but that is the lasting

976
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 3: impression of the current Big twelve. The year before that,

977
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: Arizona State acquitted itself very well against Texas. It changes

978
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: year to year, but that's where we are right now

979
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 3: with the Big Twelve as constituted that this version of

980
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 3: Texas Tech that was a machine in this conference scored

981
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: zero points on a neutral field against the whatever third

982
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 3: or fourth place team in the Big Ten, and so

983
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 3: they're going to have to prove it with games like

984
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 3: ASU against Texas A and m with BYU against Notre Dame.

985
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 1: Every year it's.

986
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 3: A clean slate and they have a chance to prove

987
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 3: themselves as being a better conference than they were the

988
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 3: previous season. But yes, that is the current impression of

989
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 3: the current Big Twelve at the.

990
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: Top right now.

991
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: And maybe that's not fair, to be clear, but that's

992
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: what it is right now. I guess is sort of

993
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: a weird way. I'm quasi arguing for some of the

994
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 2: concepts that I know have been presented with how maybe

995
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 2: the SEC in the Big Ten won a restructure conference

996
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: championship week sure, where yes there might be a conference

997
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: championship game, but then there are also other games that

998
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: are being played to try and boost the profile of

999
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: some teams that could be in the playoff conversation. I'm

1000
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: taking a different approach, but I'm just wondering out loud,

1001
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: why why we need that at all? If it could

1002
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: stand to hurt the Big twelve.

1003
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 3: If, oh, I think it's it stands to hurt everybody

1004
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 3: at this point, especially with Notre Dame having the sweetheart

1005
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 3: deal that they have not playing in a conference championship game,

1006
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 3: You're going to see a lot of like why am

1007
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 3: I playing if Notre Dame is not?

1008
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 4: I know, I.

1009
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 3: Get yeah, So I just think we're going to go

1010
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 3: to more games eventually. The conference championship games are going

1011
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: to become like you know, the idea of like conference

1012
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 3: semi final weekend or whatever, you know, six versus three

1013
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,479
Speaker 3: and four versus five to see who gets at large.

1014
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 3: Like we're going to go to that point eventually, because

1015
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 3: you know, the powers that be in college football want

1016
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 3: nothing more than to be NFL light for some reason,

1017
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: and that's where we're going to go. So we're heading

1018
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 3: in that direction. The toothpases out of the tube, the

1019
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 3: genies out of the about all that kind of stuff,

1020
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 3: and it's unfortunate, but yeah, I from the Big twelves perspective,

1021
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 3: you're just doing what the other those big two conferences

1022
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 3: are telling you what the governance of the sport is

1023
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 3: going to be or the competitive structure.

1024
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: The first part of aris question was you talk about

1025
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 2: Utah Should they? Should Utah fans be worried about the

1026
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 2: direction after Kyle Whittingham's departure.

1027
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 3: I think it's too early to say, like, I don't

1028
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 3: I have a fully formed official opedon now. Of course,

1029
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 3: it's too early to say.

1030
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing.

1031
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 2: Were we not already concerned about the trajectory of Utah

1032
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: before Whittingham left?

1033
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: Were we Well?

1034
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: I don't think we were concerned about Utah as being

1035
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: a consistent performer, but in terms of what will it

1036
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: take to get Utah to the next level? There were

1037
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 2: real conversations we had on this show. I know we

1038
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: had on other shows where it was an open conversation

1039
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: about like, all right, we know Whittingham's good coach, We

1040
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: generally know what style of football he likes to play,

1041
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 2: but there is this lingering question of what is it

1042
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: going to take to get to the next level. And

1043
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: it came to a point, obviously within Utah where they

1044
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 2: were pretty set determined to flip it over to Morgan

1045
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: Scalley as the coach, and wait, they don't want to

1046
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: lose him, and they wanted to go in a different direction.

1047
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: So my sense is they were feeling a little bit

1048
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 2: of it too, that it was time to change the

1049
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: guard and see if maybe they could shake things up.

1050
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: I think we need to give it a minute before

1051
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: we jumped any conclusions on what Morgan Scalley is going

1052
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: to do. I think there is enough left on the

1053
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 2: roster that it'll be in decent enough shape going into

1054
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: this year. But there's obviously a pretty big transition underway

1055
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 2: as well as he changes things over and rebuilds in

1056
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: his image. So I think it's too early to say

1057
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 2: I understand the question. But I also think that at

1058
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: least from my standpoint, and you know, some of the

1059
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: conversations we've had here, I think some of those concerns

1060
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 2: were out there already, so it's not really that different

1061
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: in my eyes.

1062
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1063
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 3: The only I mean quibble I'll have is I don't

1064
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 3: think anybody was concerned about the future of Utah football

1065
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 3: with Kyle Whittingham, and I know, like they had a

1066
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 3: crazy amount of injuries and whatever. He'd been there for

1067
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 3: twenty years, they won a million games. They won eleven

1068
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 3: games last year. Yeah, they were arguably a playoff team

1069
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 3: in the way that they performed. They went from just

1070
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 3: a complete disaster of offensive football when nicked up and

1071
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 3: they you know, the backup quarterbacks weren't there, and just

1072
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 3: like they were a limited offensive team even producing tight

1073
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 3: ends and running backs, to having a top seven offense

1074
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 3: in America's last year.

1075
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 2: It was a different question with Whittingham than I think

1076
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 2: it's going to be now with Morgan Scouty r. To

1077
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: Eric's question here, the question with Whittingham is is he

1078
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 2: ever going to find a way to find another gear

1079
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 2: and take this program to the next level. That was

1080
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 2: the concern under Whittingham. The concern now to Eric's question is, hey,

1081
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: are they going to bottom out? Is this program on

1082
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: level footing now stable footing. I think they're fine. I

1083
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 2: think they'll be fine, and I do like Morgan Scaley

1084
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: a lot. But there's a transition, So I understand why

1085
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 2: he's asking the question. It's just I think way too

1086
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: early to say.

1087
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 3: I would say there are probably one hundred and thirty

1088
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: fan bases worried about their programs direction under their current coach.

1089
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 4: Always so.

1090
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 3: I shouldn't you. You should give him an opportunity before

1091
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 3: feeling anything. You shouldn't have any emotions unless there is

1092
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 3: some sort of reason right that. Oh, Okay, Whittingham left

1093
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 3: and fifty nine players left as well. No, the word

1094
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,439
Speaker 3: is nobody likes Morgan Scalley. That didn't happen. Big players left,

1095
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 3: big recruits laughed, whatever, But nothing crazy dramatic. You got

1096
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: to give him an opportunity. The quarterback is back. The

1097
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 3: quarterbacks are back. I'm a bird fickling guy, big bird

1098
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 3: fickling baby. There's a lot too, still very much like

1099
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 3: about Utah. But you should be worried because Utah is

1100
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 3: one of you know, three programs in America. I mean,

1101
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 3: how many coaches have been around for as long as

1102
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 3: w was around in Salt Lake City. No, just Kirk

1103
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 3: Farns like, you got to count it. It's on one hand,

1104
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 3: and so Utah Football and Kyle Whittingham are one and

1105
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 3: the same in terms of how we appreciate what this

1106
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 3: program has done this century. So yes, you should be worried,

1107
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 3: just because that kind of transition can be very, very difficult.

1108
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 3: But because he's been there for so long, you should

1109
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 3: be less worried, but everybody should be worried. I'm worried

1110
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 3: as an organ fan about elements of this program. Sure,

1111
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 3: sure you're worried about Notre Dame and Penn State and all,

1112
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 3: you know, these successful programs.

1113
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 4: I'm worried about.

1114
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 2: I'm worried every minute of every day about Marcus Freeman

1115
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 2: taking another job.

1116
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: So sure, well there's that.

1117
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 3: And then they're like, are you worried about like Penn

1118
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 3: State winning too many games playing against a bunch of

1119
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 3: high school teams in their non conference this season and

1120
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 3: last season? Right, that's tough. So no, it's everybody's worried.

1121
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 3: You should be worried, but just because he's new as

1122
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 3: a head coach.

1123
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 2: Final question here from another tyler, Yes, probably a better tyler.

1124
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 2: What are your top three elements that make a great

1125
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 2: tailgate experience? For example, weather, venue, music, food, drinks, games,

1126
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: et cetera, TVs. You were formerly the side tour guy. Yeah,

1127
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: so was your job for a moment in time going

1128
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 2: around to tailgates talking to tailgaters. I know you have

1129
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: far more opinionated thoughts on this than I do.

1130
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 4: So where are you at here?

1131
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: Well?

1132
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 3: What's your number one draft pick for if we had

1133
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 3: an element whether I'll give you the number.

1134
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: Weather's number one.

1135
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 3: Weather is number one, Yeah, because nothing else matters. The seating,

1136
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 3: the bathroom availability, the food, the TV set up, whatever,

1137
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 3: nothing matters. If it's miserable out and you don't like,

1138
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 3: you're not prepared for it, You're like, oh, it's was

1139
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 3: supposed to be fifty eight and it's thirty one in hailing.

1140
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 3: Not much you can do to have a good time.

1141
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 2: If it is seventy two and sunny. The tailgate can

1142
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 2: consist of sitting in a field on a blanket, passing

1143
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: around a bag of lazed potato chips. Not a sponsor

1144
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: could be Yeah, and that's great. OK, great, so the weather,

1145
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: the weather is.

1146
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 3: The you're gonna say something else, passing around, just passing

1147
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 3: around a fat blunt in the middle of a field and.

1148
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: Como whatever you're into. Like, I don't judge, but I'm

1149
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 2: just saying that weather for me isn't one.

1150
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1151
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 3: I don't care about music. I mean, music's fine. I

1152
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 3: don't care about music with a tailgate necessarily. Games are fine.

1153
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 3: Those are all bonus. Those are all luxuries. If I

1154
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 3: have weather, if I have seating and I have food, Okay, TV.

1155
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:34,479
Speaker 1: Is a luxury I love.

1156
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: You know, not everybody needs to watch an ACC game

1157
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 3: early or a you know, a Mountain West game or

1158
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 3: like not everybody needs that, and I understand that I

1159
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 3: need it. But in terms of the roots, in terms

1160
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 3: of the like most important parts of my tailgating day, weather, seating, food,

1161
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 3: very close and usually all these big programs have porta

1162
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 3: potties everywhere. Right's that's that's not a small deal. I

1163
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 3: don't know if you're a bunch of if you're around

1164
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 3: a bunch of people, you corn holes a bonus. All

1165
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 3: that stuff is a bonus.

1166
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: Stuff.

1167
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 3: Ladders, that's great, having a football to throw around, it's great. Weather, food, seating.

1168
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 4: Let me ask you a question. Please, Live music.

1169
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: That's fine.

1170
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I I appreciate when like, uh, fifteen members

1171
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 3: of the marching band kind of make their way through.

1172
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 2: It's like, I think the trumpets or something that's cooeh.

1173
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: That's cool. That's cool.

1174
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 4: That plugs in very naturally to the whole experience.

1175
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: Have a couple of snares and some brass or.

1176
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: What But like, what about somebody's cousin, Brian, who happens

1177
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: to be very deep with his acoustic guitar, don't eat it,

1178
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 2: and decides he's just going to go out there and

1179
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 2: you know, put a set together for the people.

1180
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 3: I've seen karaoke setups where like I've seen that this

1181
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 3: was that Penn State.

1182
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen that.

1183
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember if this is.

1184
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 3: This might have been somebody at a tailgate where you

1185
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 3: knew people, but I don't think you knew this guy.

1186
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 4: No, that was No, I didn't know that guy. I don't.

1187
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 4: I don't know who that. I don't know what his

1188
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 4: deal was.

1189
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 3: But they started playing Neil Diamond and he had a

1190
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 3: microphone to sing along to Neil Diamond on their speakers

1191
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,479
Speaker 3: and was trying to engage people who walked by. Look,

1192
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 3: I respect the hustle. It's nothing I need. But I

1193
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 3: guess that's Penn State for you, sebt.

1194
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. No, that wasn't an install that

1195
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: Penn State. Uh.

1196
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, the live music thing, because now you have the

1197
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 3: activation stuff where it's like, oh, guess what, like Coke

1198
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 3: zero has a concert series and Rob Thomas is playing.

1199
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 4: Could be Rob Thomas could be a sponsor.

1200
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 3: I'm not crazy, I'm just yeah, Uh, that's the that's fine,

1201
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 3: but I'm not there is there is.

1202
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: There are very few.

1203
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 3: Artists we're like, you know, Rob Thomas is about to

1204
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 3: play at the Coke zero stage, Like, Okay, I have

1205
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 3: a comfortable seat, I've got a couple of brats, you know,

1206
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 3: via condios. I hope everybody else enjoys it. I'm good

1207
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,439
Speaker 3: and I'll do is. Back to Rob Thomas, obviously quite

1208
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 3: a career.

1209
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 2: Probably listening to this, I can only imagine I was

1210
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: just trying to pick.

1211
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 4: Somebody bag into this.

1212
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 3: Somebody who if there is like that sponsored activation, they

1213
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 3: have a budget to bring in somebody before. You always

1214
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 3: see that, right, you see a few seconds of it

1215
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 3: before the Orange Bowl or something, and there's just somebody

1216
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 3: where it's just like hey, and before we get to

1217
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 3: kick off. Here are some scenes from the like the

1218
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 3: Whatever stage and it's Lifehouse rocking the you know, the

1219
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 3: Whatever Insurance stage rock in the the Baha Blast Orange

1220
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 3: Bowl stage.

1221
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 2: It's always it's always best when they introduce Lifehouse with

1222
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 2: like multi platinum award winning of course Lifehouse with.

1223
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 4: Their hit single.

1224
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 3: Dot Dot Dot hanging by a moment. By the way,

1225
01:01:58,200 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 3: to be clear, I have not forgotten the name of

1226
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 3: their hit single. But yes, it is somebody who likely

1227
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 3: peaked a while.

1228
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: Ago, who needs the money.

1229
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 3: You meet at that middle point where you're like, would

1230
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 3: you accept thirty five hundred and expenses? Like, sure, we'll

1231
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 3: give you fifteen seconds on ABC. Great, but yeah it's somebody.

1232
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 3: And listen, I don't begrudge any in this economy. Take

1233
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 3: what you can get, Tyler, take what you can get.

1234
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 3: So yes, no, it's a bonus. It's nice if you happen.

1235
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 3: Look if ty was wandering over because he had to

1236
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 3: use the portageohn after eating too many brats, and he

1237
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:39,919
Speaker 3: was wandering back to his hometailgate and there was again,

1238
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 3: take your pick, Rob Thomas life house. They probably shouldn't

1239
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 3: be lumped together, and they're on the Baja Blast stage.

1240
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 3: Tyle'll give him seven minutes of his life. Sure of

1241
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 3: course he will. I mean I probably would go see

1242
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 3: Rob Thomas.

1243
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 4: I'm of that age.

1244
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: Well, you'd buy tickets.

1245
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no, I'm saying if he were

1246
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 2: on the Baja Blast stage.

1247
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 3: If Rob Thomas is appearing, I watch on Well, okay,

1248
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 3: I checked that out. Is there is there a known

1249
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 3: artist where you'd be like, you know what, I don't

1250
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 3: have time for them.

1251
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jojo? Who Jojo?

1252
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 4: Jojo? She's still singing?

1253
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: Leave. I don't know.

1254
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 4: I mean that was a jam I did. Like that.

1255
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 3: I'm saying, but like, is there somebody who were like,

1256
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 3: you know what, I don't have time for our lady piece.

1257
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 4: If I were I saw our lady piece in concert,

1258
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 4: I'm sure.

1259
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 3: I would, by the way, I would stop to see

1260
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 3: any of these acts.

1261
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 4: I wouldn't stop to see Jojo.

1262
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 2: If you if you found out if I was at

1263
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: a great tailgate and my friends were like, come on,

1264
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 2: you want to go up to the so and so

1265
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 2: stage to see Jojo? No, well, it's like an eleven

1266
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 2: minute concert cast the Buffalo Cheese Dip. Please you choose

1267
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 2: Buffalo Cheese Dip over Jojo?

1268
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 4: I think? So?

1269
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: What about Silverchair?

1270
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 4: I'd probably I'd have to go see Silverchair.

1271
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: Silverchair over Jojo?

1272
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 3: What if Ashley Simpson made a I'm back to the

1273
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 3: college football, you would give we'd give that a pull?

1274
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: Okay, what about Jason Derulo?

1275
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 4: I would have to of course I would have to.

1276
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 2: I talked you about my Jason Derulo playlist, right, I

1277
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 2: don't think so I put a Jason Derula playlist together.

1278
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 2: I think I talked about it on the show like

1279
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 2: ten years ago. Yeah, I put a Derula playlist together.

1280
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 4: Somewhere. I can find it. All the Jason Derulo songs

1281
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 4: in which he starts out the song.

1282
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: Saying, Jason Derue, Oh yeah, yeah, that's great. I love.

1283
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 4: I have a lot of respect for Jason Derulo.

1284
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 3: All right, uh left, turn hold on, I want to

1285
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 3: ask you more else, I would see all of them. Oh, like, okay,

1286
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 3: here are the two thousand and four Billboard top singles. Okay, okay,

1287
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 3: I don't know why I chose two thousand and four,

1288
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 3: a good twenty two years ago. Would you see whobi stank?

1289
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 3: I would I would see hoopo stink?

1290
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would stop wald On.

1291
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 4: What is the what is the scenario here?

1292
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 2: I'm at a tailgate, I'm enjoying myself, the weather is beautiful.

1293
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 2: But then in addition, we find out there is some

1294
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 2: sort of sponsored activation featuring an artist that we know.

1295
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: On the Baja Blast stage on the Baha.

1296
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 2: But am I leaving the tailgate to go and see

1297
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 2: that artist?

1298
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 4: So it's question.

1299
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 3: So the first level is I would stop my walk

1300
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 3: back from the porta John to like, oh, Okay, it's

1301
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 3: starting in six minutes. I will wait here and then

1302
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 3: I will watch the ten minute set of their three

1303
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 3: biggest songs. Okay, or some one of your like many honeys,

1304
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 3: comes by your tailgate and is like, hey, just saw

1305
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 3: that Hubastank is playing in ten minutes, if anybody wants

1306
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 3: to go over with me, okay, So that's this. You

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01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 3: have to make an effort for the second level. Okay,

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01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 3: so Hubistank, Yes or no, that's that's an auto. Yes,

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01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 3: three doors down, I believe.

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01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 4: So did I see that the lead singer just passed away?

1311
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: Oh that I don't know.

1312
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm I'm about that, but old school three doors down?

1313
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: Yes, I have not kept track of Christina Milian.

1314
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 4: I have no idea who that is, really, no idea.

1315
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: She was also an actress, no idea, may still be

1316
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: an actress.

1317
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 4: She could walk in the studio. I wouldn't know who

1318
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 4: that is. Okay?

1319
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: Uh didoh? Yes, of course? No, out of my way.

1320
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: You wouldn't go see white flag some to you?

1321
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm good.

1322
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: Uh, Kalise, don't milkshake, No milk brings all the boys

1323
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: to here. You wouldn't go. You wouldn't even stop on

1324
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: the way back from the bathroom to Seekalise.

1325
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 4: Didn't like that song. Oh you were out of your mind.

1326
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: No, that's such a bad answer.

1327
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,439
Speaker 4: Ty, I don't care switch Foot. Uh you know what.

1328
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 4: I would go, but I'm not a switch Foot fan.

1329
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: We were mare to Luke.

1330
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 4: Not really that into him. But I would go. I

1331
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 4: would go because it's switch.

1332
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 3: Foot, aim in aim on the ft. I don't want

1333
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 3: you back.

1334
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 4: Uh no, I don't.

1335
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: I have no idea who that is finger eleven mm hmm.

1336
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 2: No, they had that one song. What was the song

1337
01:06:58,320 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 2: paralyzer or something?

1338
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: Uh, well this year it was one thing.

1339
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, I'll stay at the tailgate.

1340
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: I have an answer for you that.

1341
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 3: It's such a clear delineation of Portagehn, yes, leave the tailgate. No,

1342
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 3: this is my delineation. I would absolutely stop to watch

1343
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 3: on the way back from the Portageohn would not leave

1344
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 3: my seat.

1345
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: And you know brats okay, Ryan Cabrera.

1346
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 2: I would stop for Ryan Cabrera. I would not leave

1347
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 2: for Ryan Cabrera because then I would have to announce

1348
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 2: to the tailgate. Hey, everybody who wants to go see

1349
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 2: Ryan Cabrera. I'll due respect to Ryan.

1350
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 4: I wouldn't I don't think I would do either.

1351
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: I would stop.

1352
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 3: I'm all right, I have I have four minutes for

1353
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 3: Ryan absolutely, yes, five for Fighting Uh.

1354
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 4: No, I would stop just for Superman.

1355
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: I would stop. I don't think I would leave.

1356
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know, but I would stop on the way

1357
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 2: back if it's like in between point aim, Yeah for

1358
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 2: super About Lost Lonely Boys, no one hundred percent? Go

1359
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,479
Speaker 2: see Low Slowly Boys one percent?

1360
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 4: How far is I.

1361
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: Might pay in twenty twenty six to go see a

1362
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: Love Lonely Boys concert?

1363
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 4: No, No one is. That's probably part of the issue

1364
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 4: for Los Lonely Boys.

1365
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 3: But right well, I don't know. I don't know their

1366
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 3: touring schedule and venue possibilities.

1367
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1368
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 3: Evan Essence, that's a tough tail they need a certain vibe,

1369
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 3: And I don't know if a tailgate is I mean matching.

1370
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 2: It that's rough at like a beautiful like in the

1371
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 2: shadow of a college football stadium, Evan Essence playing some

1372
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 2: of their Now, I would I would probably stop.

1373
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 4: On the way back, but I don't think I would

1374
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 4: leave the tailgate for that last one.

1375
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: Juvenile No. I would knock over old people to go

1376
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: see Juvenile.

1377
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 3: I would run through them like it was Black Friday

1378
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 3: to go see Juvenile at a tailgate.

1379
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 2: West Lonely Boys, by the way, are playing in ac

1380
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 2: in June, if you want to come on.

1381
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: Over, okay.

1382
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 3: I will add if any of the artists mentioned and

1383
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 3: have done anything problematic in the last twenty two years.

1384
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 3: I am fully unaware of any of the band members

1385
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 3: or singers that I have mentioned and their personal lives,

1386
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 3: so I am pre apologizing for including any of them,

1387
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 3: but I would absolutely again, I don't know what any

1388
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 3: of these acts have been up to, but on the

1389
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 3: basis of pure music, I would go see let's say

1390
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:27,839
Speaker 3: juvenile legal issues assaulting his barber not great, drug charges

1391
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 3: not great, failing to pay child support not great, purely

1392
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 3: on the merits of Juvenile's music. If he were on

1393
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 3: the Baja Blast stage, I would run over old people

1394
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 3: to see him.

1395
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 2: So to bring this sing full circle, Dan, Yeah, there

1396
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 2: is a brother in Low Lonely Boys whose name is Jojo.

1397
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 2: On April twenty first, twenty twenty two, with Jojo having

1398
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 2: allegedly changed his mind after two years, Lost Lonely Boys

1399
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 2: announced they were joining The Who on some tour dates

1400
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 2: in Dallas, Houston.

1401
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:00,719
Speaker 1: And sorry.

1402
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,879
Speaker 3: If they're good enough for the Who, the surviving members

1403
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 3: of the Who, it's pretty good.

1404
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 4: They officially reunited a couple of years ago.

1405
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 2: There you go, all right, why don't we leave it there?

1406
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 2: We got a big Part two coming up. I don't

1407
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 2: know if it can rival this one and the way

1408
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 2: we close things out, but we'll try. Please hit follow

1409
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 2: or subscribe if you made it this far, check us out.

1410
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 3: Technically, college football talk tie it was the college football

1411
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 3: Talk which large artists, because there were some on there

1412
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 3: that were too big, right, they would not be playing

1413
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 3: the like Alicia Keys is not playing the Baja Blast stage. No, no,

1414
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 3: no no, she had hits Usha is not playing the

1415
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 3: Baja Blast stage.

1416
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 2: No.

1417
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 1: But that's college football talk technically.

1418
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 4: Technically speaking, we will leave it there.

1419
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 2: We've got a bunch more questions. Thank you to the

1420
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 2: verballer hood for sending those in. Catch up with us

1421
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 2: on Thursday. In the meantime, as I said, hit fall,

1422
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 2: hit subscribe, write in, let us know your thoughts on

1423
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 2: any and all questions discussed here.

1424
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 4: Today they saw

1425
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: Peace