WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Improving In Free Agency? 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:04.240 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:07.400 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:11.120 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:15.480 ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:20.840 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:27.120 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.880 It is Wednesday, March twenty first two Thy eighteen, Season thirteen, 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.159 episode number one oh six. Welcome to another edition of 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:37.160 The Break. I am Derek Eagleton, joined by our normal 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:39.839 cast here. And actually I just thought about something. I 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.760 got that wrong. It's actually season fourteen. Yeah, it is 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.640 an episode number two because the NFL year has changed 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:51.880 now we're into a new NFL season. Um, and it 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.800 is not to mess. Marshall did not tell us about 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.400 and he didn't mention it was actually last week should 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:59.640 have been episode one, and he didn't get that right. Fire. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:04.720 Literally nobody cares gone gone, Season fourteen gone. He'll never 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:09.959 host again in this city. Wow, that's not true. Actually, 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.840 next Thursday being the show. Actually for the next three 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:14.840 weeks he's gonna be hosting the show. So Ken, I 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:16.720 was hoping you would save that drop for a little 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.560 bit later on when we talked about other people. Well, 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.679 see you later. That one took. Yeah, all right, so 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:24.880 we got a lot to talk about. Free agency is here. 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.479 There have been a lot of moves around the NFL. Ironically, 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:31.200 there have been zero moves here with the Cowboys, although 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:34.960 there are things. I'm sorry, yes, they're not. Forget about 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:38.760 that fullback trade. I'm sorry, I'm right, You're right, there 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.800 has been, but that wasn't a free agent move. It 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.160 was a move a guy that agent, guy that wasn't 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.440 on this team is on this team. Now we'll get 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:49.520 into that and talk about that. But there's been a 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:51.680 lot of stuff around the league, and I really want 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.240 to start this conversation just getting you guys opinion, because 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.800 I think if you, if you listen to what fans 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.480 are saying, and really just the general media as well, 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.240 I think the Cowboys are taking a lot of a 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.640 lot of just negativity because they haven't been very active. 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.520 What are your thoughts of kind of what's transpired so 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.320 far um here at the beginning of free agency with 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.160 the Cowboys. Well, can we just say also that Alan 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.120 Hearns is here. I mean, he's here, He's in the 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.400 buildings in the building, Yeah, Alan Hearns and two other guys. 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:26.560 As soon as you said that, I knew it was coming. Yeah. 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:30.760 But also, I mean Joe Thomas is also here, and 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.360 he's a linebacker that was actually on the practice squad 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.000 at some point here. Did not really know I was 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:37.600 going to ask you to elaborate. I was like, I 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.520 thought Joe Thomas retired, right, I figured that I was 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.120 kind of going for the pause there. And then Deonte Thompson, 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.079 a wide receiver who was with the Bills. Sorry, those 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:47.440 three guys. So to answer your question and we'll get 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:48.800 to Alan Hearns a little bit. I want to talk 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:50.959 a little bit about him. Um, I think I think 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.320 the cowboy. I think fans are upset about nine and 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.679 seven and no no playoff, you know, no not making 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.680 the playoffs, not doing anything for the last you know, 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.680 fifteen twenty years. That's what they're upset about. So they 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:03.160 just feel like they want to get better. They see 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.480 other teams thinking that they're going to get better. Who 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.560 knows if they really are, but you know, they just 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.440 want to see you guys do something here that's not 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.440 a fullback. I kind of understand it. But you know, 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:16.680 people are just bitch into bitch. I mean that's just 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:20.959 what they do other people, other players that other teams 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.079 have signed that you wish the Cowboys would have made 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.760 more of a play, Don't ask Dave that why why not? 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:31.240 Because of course yes, yeah, absolutely sure, badge who It's 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.840 not even where my mind went at first, But right, well, 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.320 that's it. You know, when this whole thing starts every year, 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:41.640 for the first three days, you're like, all right, calmed down, everybody, like, no, 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.640 they're not gonna throw eighty million dollars around. But then 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:46.200 you start to see some of these other things. And 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.640 I've said it on this show before the trades that 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:53.640 happened before free agency even kicked off. I just I'd 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:55.800 like to see a little more aggression on behalf of 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:59.280 the Cowboys. And that doesn't mean dropping eighty million dollars. 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.480 That means signing a freaking Pro Bowl safety named Tyron 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.520 Matthew to a six million dollar deal about one year, 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.400 one year? How about commitment? How about Morgan Burnett on 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.640 a three year, fourteen and a half million dollars deal 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.040 less than five million dollars a year? How about you know, 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.400 I always go back to that we talk about how 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.960 this team doesn't have a great one technique. The Patriots 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.279 got Danny Shelton for a third round pick. He's a 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:23.880 first round one technique defensive tackle. I think you make 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.000 your off your defensive line a heck of a lot 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.760 better adding that guy to it. And it's a It's 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:32.680 a relatively highly priced draft pick, but you can pay 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.720 dividends immediately if you put the other talent on your 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.279 defensive line next to a guy like that, free stuff 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.680 up for your linebackers. There are some other ones, you know. 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.839 You know, we talked about Sammy Watkins last week. I 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.000 think that would have been dumb. I'm not this fifty 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.239 sixty million dollar contracts. I'm not interested. But there are small, 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.400 calculated things that other teams are doing that I think 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.120 this team could be doing that I think would be smart. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.080 And I don't blame fans for being frustrated that that 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.320 they're not doing at least some smaller type of things. 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.800 You know, I've decided to take this another route, and 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:11.320 usually I would be frustrated for not seeing anything happening, 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:15.000 just as everyone else is. But at the same time, 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.640 I'm thinking, Okay, well, patient is a virtue, and we've 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:22.760 seen that the Cowboys having been very successful at acquiring 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:27.720 or the guys they've gone been a good hit, so 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.680 they haven't hit on good guys during free agency. So 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.760 I keep trying to take it back and say, Okay, well, 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.480 maybe this is a good move. But then at the 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.840 same time it's so back and forth because at the 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:43.040 same time you only get essentially two ways of bettering 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.880 your team through free agency and then the draft. They're 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:50.240 letting free agency go by without doing really anything, So 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.360 I don't know. I'm trying to give them the benefit 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.320 of the doubt and let them handle this and expect 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.880 them to know what they're doing and expect that maybe 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.400 one it would have been too much money and we 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.520 know how they have money problems right now in a way. 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:09.360 But two, if the guys that they did go for, 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.200 would those be a waste and would be would we 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.280 be here later on the year talking about this free 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.520 agent guy. Is that sucked and didn't do anything for 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:19.160 the Cowboys. Yeah. The fact of the matter is when 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:20.680 you go for and I think Dave you hit on 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.080 the same thing. When you go for the high price 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.599 free agent, typically you're overpaying, You're overpaying for free agency 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.520 that when you're when you're on that first wave of guys. 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.200 You look at just the history of the Cowboys, this 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:34.640 is rare you find a high price free agent the 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:38.560 Cowboys pay for that actually pays dividends. That doesn't happen 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.240 a whole I think it happens the other way. Happens 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.480 that often in the NFL. Yeah, maybe not right. And 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:44.479 you look at just the most recent one. I don't 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.000 know if this is the most recent one that can come. 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:48.960 Think of Brandon Car. Brandon Car is a good player. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.320 Problem is you overpaid for him. And that's what free 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.599 agency does. It takes a good payer and makes you 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.040 pay him as though he's a great player, rather than 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:57.920 paying him as a good player. And that I think 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:00.360 is the challenge of being in that first wave of 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.120 free agency. There's probably only two or three guys every 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:04.920 year in free agency that's in that first way that 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.720 actually get money that they're worth. The rest of them 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.640 are getting overpaid because they're the best guy available, right, 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.320 I think, Yeah, But I think the vast majority of 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:17.480 intelligent fans understand that and don't want the Cowboys splashing 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.360 eighty million dollars on play okay, but forget those eight 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:25.800 people about the rest. I don't. I don't. I am 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.640 not under the impression that they're I mean, okay, you know, 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.680 people get excited any people get excited anytime a guy 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.000 gets released. So you know, like in Dominican Sue, he 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.520 gets released out of one hundred million dollar contract, you 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:38.360 think you might be able to get him for cheaper. 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:42.080 But you talk about the unrestricted free agents, like the 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.000 guys who were really the cream of the crop of 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.360 this free agent class, Like you didn't hear a whole 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.800 lot of you know, complaining that the Cowboys should be 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.200 chasing after those guys. And when the Cowboys did reveal 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.960 that they went after Sammy Watkins, people were kind of surprised, 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:58.280 Like really, you know, a lot of times unrestricted free 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:02.640 agents like a senior in the NBA, like because you 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.680 probably would have been released earlier. I think the guys 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.800 that are released are probably better players because they're released 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.080 because of because they had a high contract. I think 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:13.640 if you just let it go all the way to 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.400 the end of unrestricted, I don't know if you're gonna 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.080 get that many great players. I think the best ones 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.000 are the ones that are getting cut. Yeah, yeah, and 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.080 I would agree with that. And well, the point I 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.960 was gonna make is I don't feel like we have 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:27.960 to sell fans on not buying eighty one hundred million 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:33.000 dollars players. But again, it's the smaller, smarter, more reasonable content. 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.480 Like you know, I already brought up Morgan Burnett. Pittsburgh 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:37.680 put him on a three year, fifteen million dollars deal, 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.120 even if he's not good. Is that really going to 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:43.320 ruin your your finances? Probably not. Green Bay added Moe 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.400 Wilkerson one year, five million dollars. The one year deals 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.360 are the ones that really stand. He's got a bad reputation, 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:51.360 but if he you know, if he doesn't make good 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.080 on it, nobody's gonna care tyed Matthew again. And it's 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.400 that type of stuff. I think, for the most part, 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.240 that's how you can really improve your team without thinking 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.920 an absurd amount of money into it. And the fact 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.080 that we haven't seen the Cowboys really even sniff at 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.960 any of those situations, I think is what's got people frustrated. 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.120 And I think when you look at DeMarcus Lawrence and 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:14.199 obviously you know, fans don't look they don't really think 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.240 about that as something that counts like that, I don't 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.480 really count like that they got him. But I think 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.480 the issue with DeMarcus and what the Cowboys did is 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.120 that they didn't get him on a long term deal. 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.800 I don't think they want to. And by the decision 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:28.920 of not trying to get him on a long term deal, 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.600 and they're gonna have seventeen million just sitting there for him, 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.200 you know, that's that's gonna be problematic to sign other guys. 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.319 And so when when fans say, oh, that doesn't really count, unfortunately, 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.840 it really does count to the cap, and it's eating 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.200 into it their decision. And I don't know if I 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.720 blame him. The guy's really probably I don't know if 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:48.280 he's a one hit wonder, but he's a one and 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:49.880 a half hit wonder. He's really had one and a 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.160 half really good seasons, and I don't know if that's 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.679 something you want to throw all that money into. So 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.880 I kind of understand why the Cowboys did that. It's 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.920 DeMarcus Lawrence in that situation that's kind of holding this 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.680 thing up. Along with this. Now, they do have room, correct, 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.160 I mean, they did restructure Travis Fredericks, so they have 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.280 some room to be able to do some things right, 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.520 do some stuff, and they and they cut Scandrick for 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:16.040 June one. That saves him what three million that you know, 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.360 that's just signing your draft picks really because he can't 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.360 do that until June one. But let me ask you this, 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.120 going back to the Scandrick thing, were you're a little 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.400 bit surprised, and this goes along with what Dave was 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.640 saying as well, from the standpoint of you know how 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:29.920 teams are making some of these shrewd moves with the 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:31.800 guards to trades and stuff like that, where you're a 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.199 bit surprised the Cowboys weren't able to structure some kind 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:37.120 of trade and get some value out of Orlando rather 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.120 than just cutting him out right. Not really, No, that's 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:44.040 I mean, he's thirty one, or he'll be turning thirty one. 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.560 He's had extensive injury problems. He missed the last month 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:51.520 of this season with an injury. And his contracts. I mean, 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:54.760 what did he sign in Washington for two years ten? Yeah, 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:56.880 something like that. He was on the hook for like 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:01.720 two more years at four million dollars. So I thought 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:03.679 he had a tradable contract. Yeah, I don't think the 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.040 contract was a Problemly, No, his contract's not a problem, 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.280 but when you factor everything else in there, and just like, 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.600 why are you scrambling to to take that on when 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:13.839 you could just sign him after they can't? I don't. 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.240 I don't think there's a huge market for him in 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.320 terms of teams being and if they if there was, 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:20.959 it certainly wouldn't have been anything. I mean, Robert Quinn 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.280 is going for a fourth and a sixth. What's Orlando 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.920 Scander gonna get you? Yeah? I mean, this guy loves 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.800 the West Coast and you know, ideally you would think 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:32.560 he would sign with somebody over there, but I mean, 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.000 we know him, we haven't. He has an agenda. I mean, 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.520 he had three teams he wanted to sign with. And 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.199 I don't know this personally because I haven't talked to him, 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.920 but I mean it definitely makes sense that he looking 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:46.720 for the red Skins or the Eagles or the Giants. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.040 He wants to play the Cowboys again. Those chips on 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:50.680 his shoulders were never going to be as big as 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.480 they are next season. Good for him, but you know, 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:55.600 I think more than anything, it was it was time 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:58.319 for him to go. He knew it, the team knows it, 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:02.440 and apparently his teammates did as well, because I mean, Dave, 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.600 can you spend the next one second, um talking about 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:12.280 all the guys that that wished him farewell? Right? I mean, 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:14.640 and you know that Smith leaves and it's like, oh 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.160 my god, Beef, I mean, good luck in Oakland. And 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.600 then Scandrick leaves after ten years and writes this long 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.440 thing that nobody really believes and then he sends it 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.880 in you know, peace out, and everyone's like, h yeah. 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:27.840 I mean, I think it was his time. He was 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.360 a good player and a great draft pick. He was 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.640 a great that's value fifth round pick, the stick around 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:35.960 for years, that's about, especially playing the slot. And I 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.400 think and I think he is a very intelligent player. 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.360 He's a smart player. He learned the game, learned the craft. 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.760 But I think, you know, he probably rubbed people just 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.400 you know, the wrong way, just enough to kind of like, 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.480 you know what, it's been good, it's been real time. 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.120 We'll see we'll face you one time next year. And 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.080 the interesting thing is when you look at all the 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.000 guys that have left the Cowboys to go to the Redskins, 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:00.280 particularly Cowboys haven't gotten burned on the right. So I 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.760 think I think you're probably not. You're probably betting in 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.360 the direction that he might be okay for them. I 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.280 don't know that the Cowboys are feeling like, oh my god, 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.240 we gotta play him twice a year. Ever, is there ever? Oh, 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:16.160 I mean Jason Hatcher, random Noble, Um, I mean row McClain, 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:20.360 like our list, The Cowboys really haven't gotten burned by it. 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:22.440 You know, the guys end up playing there and they're 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.440 just guys who was ad I'm sorry Kent, Devin Harris 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.680 when he was the Giants, Dwayne Harris, Jwayne Harris, sorry, 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.280 Jayne Giants. Yeah, but we were talking specifically. I think 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.640 about the Redskins. Dwayne Harris burned him that one game 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:37.560 he did Billyne Harris did beat them like almost single handedly. 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.720 One can't He actually had a decent, decent time with 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.400 the Giants. Yeah, but I just just the Redskins. Think 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.240 about the Redskins and how they do free agency. It 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.840 rarely has come back to bite the Cowboys. Well, Dion's 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.960 the biggest one, and he didn't. He was toward the end, Yeah, 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:53.960 much closer to the end than the beginning. At that point, 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.040 when the Cowboys released DeMarcus Ware, you kind of had 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.040 a feeling in the back of your mind that that 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.000 might come back on him, but he specifically said, I'm 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.760 not going to the NFC. No, and no, I'm money 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.000 with the Eagles. On thinking out loud here, I'm not 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.280 talking yeah, No, I'm saying I nobody's worried that Orlando 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.440 Scandrick is just gonna make life difficult for it. No, 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.920 we've seen him in training these receivers. I like Orlando 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:21.840 Scandrick more than most people do, but I'm not buying it. Yeah, 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:23.560 all right, let's move on. I do want to talk 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:26.400 about a couple of guys that Cowboys lost. Let's talk 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.120 a little bit about Keith Smith and Kyle Wilber. I 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.560 know that they are not huge players, but when you 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.720 start thinking about special teamers for this team and some 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.320 of the better special teamers for this team, you were better. 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:40.360 Now you were joking around, But like, let's talk about 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.560 that trade. Yeah, let's talk about that whole because I 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:44.640 think I think there's a couple of things here. First, 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.200 the fact that you've lost two core special teams players 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.120 to Oakland, and then just the way the whole thing 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:53.880 went down with losing Keith Smith, who signs with Oakland, 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.720 and then Oakland trades you the guy that they probably 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:58.760 are not going to have a place for because they 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.160 signed your guy, and you give up a fifth round 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.400 pick and get a sixth round pick for it. What 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.120 was your thought about just that whole overall trans set 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:11.800 of transactions. That doesn't really bother me too much. I 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.280 think that I think you're you're losing a better special 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.880 teams player obviously in Keith Smith. Yeah, you know, but 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:20.840 but you're probably gonna get a little bit more from 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:24.520 an offensive standpoint with Ala Wally, and I think that 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.920 look for this to be. I don't think they're done 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.200 when making moves on the tight end position. I think 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.000 this is more of an h back type guy. If 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.800 they'll use them that way, I think you'll you'll see 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.000 a little bit more. You'll see him actually lined up 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.440 more out. I think so slat than just in the 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.000 backfield is full. I think so. But you are losing 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.720 some special teams and probably just a better online blocker. 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.640 You know. But I haven't had any conversations about people 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:53.080 to affirm this theory. But I don't think that the 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.640 Cowboys thought there was a market for Keith Smith, like 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:59.520 he's their pet project. He's there a linebacker turned fullback, 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.280 special team or they expect him to come right back. 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.080 They're the only team that values him in their minds. 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.120 He you know, he plays twelve percent of the offensive snaps. 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.040 He's caught like three passes in his career. They didn't 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:12.800 tender him. They didn't think it would be a big 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.080 it would be a big deal. They didn't think about 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:16.800 the fact. Or maybe maybe they did and they just 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.400 figured it was worth the risk. But his special team's 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:22.800 coordinator works somewhere else now. I think they were probably 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.560 surprised by how much he got in the grand I mean, 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:27.600 he got kind of was too. He got made nicely 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.440 for a fullback, which an end today's NFL, that's a 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:34.240 that's an anomaly. So, like I said, maybe they saw 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.600 it coming, maybe they didn't, but I don't think they 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.880 fully thought that he might actually leave. It makes a 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:41.800 ton of sense for him. He's from the West Coast, 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.680 he went to college up in the Bay Area. His 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:48.200 daughter lives out there, and so you don't have a 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:51.400 fullback Jason Garrett clearly wants to play that style of football. 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.760 So they did what they thought they had to do. 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.760 To get the next best option, because and I went 0:16:57.760 --> 0:16:59.440 through all this yesterday, I was like, Okay, why don't 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:01.680 you just get an undrafted free agent? Just get some 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:03.760 guy to come in. It well, might take them a 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:05.320 while to get up to speed. I mean they've brought 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.320 in fullbacks in other years. I remember my guy J. C. 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:12.520 Copeland from LSU a couple of years ago. Figure, what's basically, 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.920 what's twenty spots in the draft for a guy who 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.280 can do the job and do it well right away? 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:19.639 And so I think that's what they did. And you know, 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:22.159 you know, people on Twitter kind of criticize it, like 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.320 they never should have let Keith go. They should have 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:26.679 waited for the Raiders to cut him, because obviously they 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:30.199 probably would whatever they might wait till September to do that, 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.920 you might get outbid by somebody else. They did what 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:35.800 they thought they had to do to just get it done, 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:37.960 and they didn't spend a lot to do it. So 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.800 lose a draft pick, I mean no, they move, they 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:44.040 lost n they lost nineteen spots. I think the value 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.640 is like two point seven points on the draft chart 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:51.840 verse like one point two or it's it's miniscule, it's nothing. Um, 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:56.360 so I would I'd rather have Keith Smith. Yeah, probably personally, 0:17:56.480 --> 0:18:00.280 just that's mainly familiarity. Yeah, and I mean, well me personally, 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.440 I like him as a dude, But I don't think 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.399 this is a big deal or like, you know, I 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.560 don't think the Cowboys got screwed. It's just kind of 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:12.399 yeah whatever, all right, yeah, I think so, yeah, well, 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:17.000 let's also just player to player. Yeah yeah, yeah, but 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.320 don't don't forget this aspect too, because a lot of 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.720 people will say and have said, well, you know, the 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.879 Raiders didn't want Ola Wally. You know, they want to 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.120 Keith Smith, So you're gonna take what the Raiders didn't want. 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.680 Don't forget that when a new coach comes in, especially 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.000 a special team's coach, and a guy like Besaccia, I 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.400 mean he's gonna come in. He doesn't want to win 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:38.719 with Olah Wally, you know, he wants to win with 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.520 Keith Smith. I mean, hey, guys, look our special teams. 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.680 I brought Wilbury and I brought Keith Smith, and I 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.720 want to win with my guys. That He's no different 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:49.040 than a lot of coaches. So yeah, if if if 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:53.000 another let's just hYP hypothesize that a Cowboys coach leaves 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.000 here next year and and just goes all out to 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.280 get Jeff Heath on his team. Yeah, you know, like 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:00.639 that's his guy. He knows the ski, he can do 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:02.720 what he's supposed to do. He can help the other 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.600 guys understand what they're trying to get accomplished. Cowboys fans 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.359 are you know, you know whoever, the Steelers fans are 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.520 gonna be like, well, the Cowboys they didn't want him, 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.520 and Cowboys trains will be like he's terrible, he's Jeff 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:15.760 he ha ha ha. But like coaches do that, they 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:19.040 like to surround themselves with familiar players and get guys 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:20.639