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Speaker 3: Welcome to off the cop my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 4: I am coming to you.

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Speaker 3: From Los Angeles, which is also always a good anti

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Speaker 3: great pleasure of talking to a friend, the partner of

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Speaker 4: In LA He's been in so many TV shows and movies.

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Speaker 3: Once you actually run through his resume, you'll realize you've

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Speaker 1: It's Spencer Garrett se cup How I'm fantastic doing this

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Speaker 4: Run, nice, I know a delight you know.

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Speaker 3: It's it's so fun because I know you're lovely better half.

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Speaker 3: Dana bash much better half colleague of mine, and she

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Speaker 3: is everyone's favorite. And I know a bunch of your

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Speaker 3: because every time I run into you guys at like

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Speaker 4: It's the news. We can just sit down and talk

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Speaker 2: Carrying Danna's jacket or something.

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Speaker 1: I'm the I'm the plus one a lot, which is

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a good plus one to be.

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Speaker 4: But this is so great. I love just being here.

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Speaker 1: And welcome to Welcome to glamorous Hollywood. Heard of Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: On Cosmo Street, we are literally like right off Hollywood Boulevard.

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Speaker 2: I think I get a little contact Hi walking through

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Speaker 4: I did too. It's a weird. This is a weird

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Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up in la and to think

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Speaker 1: But this, at one point, Hollywood Boulevard was. It was

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Speaker 3: My son was with me and we were walking down

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Speaker 2: Yeah, said it is.

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Speaker 4: And I like your judgment.

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Speaker 1: I like your it's a good word wise of the

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Speaker 1: opening scene of a Pretty Woman. Yeah for that, guys,

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Speaker 2: Not in, right, I was not in Pretty Far. I

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Speaker 4: Because let's just start with.

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Speaker 2: The list, and this the list.

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Speaker 3: The list of shows and films you've been in, and

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Speaker 4: But this is just some This isn't all okay.

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Speaker 3: Air Force one, House of Sand and Fog, Thank you

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Speaker 3: Then there's TV Dallas twenty one, Jump Street Star, Trek Murder,

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Speaker 4: Every time I turn on my TV, there you are.

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Speaker 3: Even because your career has just been so good. You've

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Speaker 1: I feel just like the luckiest middle aged white guy

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Speaker 3: But my business too, you know, like, and I'm sure

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about the journey. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 3: And we've talked about your character actor's lunch on this

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Speaker 4: Of pay the bills, be happy.

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Speaker 4: the worst.

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Speaker 2: Oh, the best part of it?

442
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Speaker 1: I mean getting to work with other actors that you

443
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Speaker 1: love and admire. I got really kind of lucky early on.

444
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,399
Speaker 1: It's funny I just did It's the I think about

445
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Speaker 1: to be the thirtieth anniversary of Air Force One, which

446
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Speaker 1: I kind of think of as my first big boy

447
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Speaker 1: up movie. Not a vice President this way, well, boyd

448
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Speaker 1: the press not yet.

449
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 2: Recovery teamlet very soon.

450
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Speaker 4: That's a big movie.

451
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,919
Speaker 2: It's a big movie. But I had done like that.

452
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 1: I'd done about forty TV and film gigs before then,

453
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Speaker 1: but nothing on that scale. And then all of a sudden,

454
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Speaker 1: that's when I kind of mark the sort of water

455
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Speaker 1: mark of when I got invited to sit at the

456
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Speaker 1: grown ups table. And so all of a sudden you're

457
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Speaker 1: in and I'm sitting next to Glenn Close, who ten

458
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Speaker 1: years earlier I'd seen in Barnum on Broadway and had

459
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 1: a huge crush on, and Gary Oldman and Harrison Ford

460
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Speaker 1: and all these people. So the best part of being

461
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Speaker 1: an actor is getting to work with people that you

462
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Speaker 1: are fans of and that you admire and getting to

463
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Speaker 1: learn from them, which I still do every job I get.

464
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you say, every time I pull onto a lot,

465
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Speaker 1: whether it's the Warner Brothers lot and you see that

466
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Speaker 1: big water tower or Paramount and you see the blue sky,

467
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Speaker 1: every time I pull onto a lot, I get little goosebumps.

468
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Speaker 1: I think, God, I get to act today, I still

469
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 1: have that same and the day that I lose that

470
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: vibe right will be it's time to hang it up.

471
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Speaker 1: But I still I still get goosebumps. I still feel

472
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Speaker 1: how lucky I am to be able to do this.

473
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Speaker 1: I really genuinely do.

474
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Speaker 4: How is that? Because you know I have a moment.

475
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Speaker 4: The first time I.

476
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Speaker 3: Was asked to be on Hannity's show on Fox News,

477
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 3: this was like the big the big time. I had

478
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Speaker 3: been doing daytime day side like CNN here Dayside, Fox Dayside,

479
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 3: and this is before I was signed, so you go anywhere.

480
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 3: When I got the call to do Hannity ten pm,

481
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Speaker 3: Fox News Primetime, I remember they sent a car. I mean,

482
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Speaker 3: you know, living downtown Manhattan, they.

483
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Speaker 4: Send the car.

484
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 2: When they send the car, you know, sure.

485
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 4: I'm in the car. I'm going.

486
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Speaker 2: I remember there's a little bottle of water in the car.

487
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Speaker 2: I get free water, yes too, and a car.

488
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Speaker 3: Your name on a card outside the car. And I

489
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 3: remember telling myself, don't get jaded.

490
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Speaker 4: This is incredible and even if this is as best

491
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 4: as you get to do in this business. Okay, but

492
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Speaker 4: I did. But I did get jaded.

493
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Speaker 3: Oh you did, okay, one hundred one hundred percent like jaded,

494
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 3: angry let down.

495
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Speaker 4: But also you know what I can I.

496
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Speaker 1: Ask you in what sense, Like why, Like, what was it?

497
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Speaker 1: What was it about that.

498
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Speaker 4: People people turning on you, people not.

499
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 3: Being the best here, that you wanting to help you,

500
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 3: people coming for you. Obviously, you know there's the viewers

501
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 3: and people who tell you how much they hate you

502
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 3: and stuff. But also just in the industry, you know,

503
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 3: from sexual harassment to sexual assault to the competitiveness, it's

504
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 3: not been all great. So I'm sad about getting jaded,

505
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,959
Speaker 3: but I want to admit it, like I'm not going

506
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 3: to put a spin that, like, and I'm just still

507
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 3: lucky to be here.

508
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Speaker 4: How do you maintain that? Because I feel like that's

509
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 4: a it's such a gift.

510
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 2: But it's a lot of work.

511
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Speaker 1: But I also think that the world that you live in,

512
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: and also the Dana lives in as well. I mean,

513
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,479
Speaker 1: you willingly open yourself up to the slings and arrows

514
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: of outragious isn't easy. Yeah, But I mean it's you

515
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: talk about your looks or you're oh, Spencer's he's gained

516
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: weight or he's lost weight or whatever.

517
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Speaker 2: That's a different thing.

518
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Speaker 1: But when you were talking about when you're talking about

519
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 1: politics and opinions, Yeah, you know, everybody's an expert it's amazing.

520
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 2: Everybody.

521
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 1: Everybody is an expert on geopolitics and economy and everything.

522
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: So it's I think it's a different you've you are.

523
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: You live in a world where it's it's easier for

524
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: people to poke holes and and that sucks, but that's

525
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: the nature of the beast. But yeah, I think it's

526
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: I think it's different in my business too. I just

527
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: try to I just try to keep my head down

528
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: and just keep swimming. I really, I really do. I

529
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: mean yeah, and and try not to reach your d MS.

530
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

531
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you have to be like intentional about how

532
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 3: much of that you let in, right, how much critics, fans,

533
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 3: other actors like you have to be intentional about what, Okay,

534
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 3: what am I going to let to get through here?

535
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,959
Speaker 3: What's going to be helpful to me and what's going

536
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 3: to be harmful to me? I mean, I have to

537
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 3: do that all the time. Talk about how you met Dana.

538
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Speaker 1: Well, we met in two thousand and seven. I went

539
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: to Washington, d C. I lived in DC out of college.

540
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 1: I lived there for three years. I worked for NPR.

541
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,959
Speaker 1: I have a great love for that city, and so

542
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: I had an experience there out of college. In my

543
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: early twenties, and I loved the town so and I

544
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: also love politics, as you probably know. Yes, so I've

545
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: been a political junkie my whole life. And in two

546
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: thousand and seven I acted in and produced a little

547
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Speaker 1: indie film that we shot in sixteen days in DC,

548
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: gorilla style around La Noah Wiley was in it, Xander Berkeley,

549
00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 1: Sarah Clark. Terrific little cast we put together for no money.

550
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: And there was a couple that I was introduced to,

551
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: Jack and Susannah Quinn huh, who was sort of like,

552
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: if you didn't know the Quinns in DC, then you

553
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: weren't You know you were? And somehow and I befriended

554
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: them and they just became pals, like right off the bat.

555
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: That's two thousand and seven. Cut to five years later.

556
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Speaker 1: Six years later, I was in Baltimore doing House of Cards. Yes,

557
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: up the road in Baltimore, and I had a couple

558
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Speaker 1: of days off and I called the Quinns and I said,

559
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 1: I said, I'm bored up here. What are you guys doing?

560
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: They said, why did you come down for lunch? And

561
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: by the way, do you want to meet somebody? And

562
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: I said sure?

563
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: And so were they setting you up. They were setting

564
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Speaker 2: me up. They were setting me up.

565
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Speaker 1: I don't think they told her that she was being

566
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Speaker 1: set up, but I knew I was being set.

567
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: Up, and so they told her.

568
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: They told her to google me, okay, And so they

569
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: said to Susannah said to Dana, why don't you come

570
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: over for lunch?

571
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: And Danna said, have you met me?

572
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Speaker 1: I don't do lunch like I'm She's never not going

573
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: a million miles an hour.

574
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: So she swung by.

575
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: She showed up with her son, and I walked in.

576
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Speaker 1: I think she thought that she was coming for like

577
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: a luncheon, and it was just me and so Dana

578
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: and Susannah said, Dana Spencer, Spencer, Dana, I'll be in

579
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Speaker 1: the kitchen.

580
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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

581
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: And the kind of left of us less alone, and

582
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: and so a couple of days later she called me.

583
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: There's a there's a kind of a there's a sort

584
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: of dispute about how this went down. But I got

585
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: a phone call and it said, uh. I answered my

586
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: phone and I hadn't plugged her number into my phone.

587
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: And she said, hey, it's Dana, And I said, oh hey.

588
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 2: She said yeah, are you going to ask me out

589
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 2: or what?

590
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: I love that, and and I said, well, yeah, I

591
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: was trying to be cool. I was trying to of course,

592
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, you know swingers the three day rule, So

593
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: I was trying. I was trying to do the three

594
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Speaker 1: day be nonchalant.

595
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Speaker 4: But your money, baby, your money.

596
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: Your money, and you didn't I didn't even know it.

597
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: And so I so I got in a car, came

598
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Speaker 1: down to DC. We went out to dinner, and uh,

599
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: twelve years later, it works, still works.

600
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I find our town well DC in LA.

601
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: I find our towns similar in that, you know, they're

602
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 3: dominated by one industry. Not that LA doesn't do more

603
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 3: than entertainment and DC doesn't do more than politics. They do,

604
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 3: but these businesses loom large over these cities, and escaping from.

605
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 4: Politics is hard in a town like DC.

606
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,719
Speaker 3: I lived there for a long time, yeah, two and

607
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 3: really hard to escape it. And I used to lament

608
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 3: like I'd go out with my husband, who was also

609
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 3: in politics. We'd meet up with friends were also in politics.

610
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 3: I was the only one that was like, let's talk

611
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: about movies. They wanted to talk about like the cr

612
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 3: and the budget, and I'm like, come on, was it

613
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 3: the same year?

614
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: Like you can't escape. You can't escape.

615
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: I mean I I like talking about acting and then

616
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: forgive me for using this word, but the craft your life.

617
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 2: I like talking, so I like and when when.

618
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: We're with a bunch of actors and you get together,

619
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: you talk about acting.

620
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: Sytimes.

621
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean it is a company town, but we try.

622
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: We try to when we have the dinners. Sometimes we

623
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: try to leave the shop talk away and talk about

624
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: other stuff.

625
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 4: But you like talk, so you don't need an escape.

626
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't really need an escape.

627
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: But when I when I go to DC uh, there

628
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: is kind of a house rule where when Danna leaves

629
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: the bureau, she clocks out, and it's like.

630
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 4: Love that for her.

631
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: And when I'm I tend to be the one that's

632
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: always been. Can you believe what so and so said?

633
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. But she's nine and she's like, you

634
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: know what, I just want to watch missus masl yeah

635
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: and have a glass of wine and just.

636
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 4: I get it.

637
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that for her and I'm glad that

638
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: she does that. There's a lot of it, just like

639
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: Bosta no politics.

640
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 4: Yah, yeah, Bosta exactly exactly.

641
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 3: We talked about this a little bit another crossover between

642
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: our industries. My industry is in trouble changing rapidly, so

643
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: is yours. What's going on in Hollywood and the end

644
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 3: entertainment business that people who aren't in it need to

645
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: know about this like rapidly changing well industry.

646
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been teaching for a long time and

647
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: one of my earliest and a pretty well known acting teacher,

648
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: was a man named Sanford Meisner. And Sandy Meisner said

649
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: to me, at twenty one years old, before I embarked

650
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: on this ride with him, he said, don't do this

651
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: unless you absolutely feel in your blood and your bones

652
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: that you have to, because it's really hard. And I'd

653
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: seen my mother's fortunes rise and fall, and you know,

654
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: I knew. I grew up around it, and so I

655
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: knew I'd seen people at the top of their game

656
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: and at the top of the heap, and then suddenly,

657
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: you know, ride in high in April, shot down in

658
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: May Frank Sinatra. Yeah, And I knew that it was

659
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: going to be a rough road, And so I tell

660
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: my students now the same thing. Listen, it's rough out there,

661
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: and it's rougher by the day. The ground is shifting

662
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: under our feet constantly. Now there's a lot of runaway

663
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: production and things are being moving to Canada and out

664
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: to Atlanta, and so it's it's more difficult to get

665
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: and find and sustain work.

666
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 3: And then add strikes, AD strikes, ad streaming, the changing

667
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: you know, landscape of how people.

668
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: Are watching me.

669
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Speaker 1: The last strike which was fighting for residuals for streaming,

670
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: which we got a little bit of headway, but not much.

671
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: And network television is kind of dying on the vine,

672
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: which is very strange to see as a guy that

673
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: kind of made my bones doing a lot of episodic television.

674
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: Last Friday, I mean, NBC canceled seven shows, I think,

675
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: in one day, after one season. And so it's so

676
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: I tell my students to answer your question. I tell

677
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: I tell students or kids or anybody that comes up

678
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: to me that guy from that thing who's been in

679
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: that thing for a long time asking me for advice.

680
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if you are passionate about it, and you

681
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: really really need to do it, then by all means

682
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Speaker 1: do it. But just be prepared for and and keep

683
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: keep yourself occupied with other.

684
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 2: Things that don't have anything to do with the business.

685
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: Keep yourself occupied with things that feed your soul and

686
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: nourish your your heart and your spirit that aren't involved

687
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: in God. I need this job, you know, do things

688
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: that make you fulfilled in other ways have nothing to

689
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: do with the business, because the business is I mean,

690
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: we're trying to bring they're trying to pass a tax

691
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: instead of build, to bring filming here, to keep filming here,

692
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: stay in La. I'm a huge proponent of that. And

693
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: so there was a meeting last week at Sagafra with

694
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: Mayor Bass and some elected officials, and they're really trying

695
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: to push this thing through because it's it's kind of

696
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: a you see the tumbleweeds out there right now.

697
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I hear that because I develop as well,

698
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 3: and so you know, I just hear that, and it's

699
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 3: really scary.

700
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 4: It feels to me, despite.

701
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 3: The death of network television, that TV is making some

702
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: really great Oh.

703
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a golden age. Is it's a golden age.

704
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: But but it's uh, I mean, I went to the

705
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: Grove last week to see a Friends movie that was

706
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: playing only in theaters and it's it's one of three

707
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: movies when you go to a multiplex you see you're

708
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: lucky if there's three or four movies on the on

709
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: the marquee there because there's just not enough stuff being

710
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I love going to the movies. I love

711
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: sitting in the movies with the popcorn and the coke

712
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: and s and that whole that shared experience in the dark,

713
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: and that's kind of moving away. And I love I

714
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: love scrolling through my Apple TV and my Hulu and

715
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: finding what's on, and there's amazing stuff being made. But

716
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: I do I do miss, I do fear that movies,

717
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: the the the act of going to movies in the cinema,

718
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: not to use an already farty word, but the you know,

719
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: the cinema is kind of is kind of moving away

720
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: from us. So that's something that's a new terrain to

721
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: navigate as well, because a gorgeous, gorgeous works that are

722
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: that are cinematic, that are being done on television.

723
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 4: Yes, well it's true.

724
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: But I remember when hop Gun Maverick was coming out,

725
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 3: someone I had read that they originally wanted to release

726
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: that as a streamer, and Tom Cruise said, I make

727
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 3: movies for the cinema, right, are there any movie stars left?

728
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise?

729
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 4: Cruise?

730
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: Right? I was just thinking about the other day.

731
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's the last of the He's really the

732
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: last of the old time movie stars, isn't he. And

733
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's extraordinary that the reception that he

734
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: got in in Can with that movie with the Final

735
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: Right Missiles, the Final Mission Impossible movie.

736
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Speaker 4: I mean, he's not an art film.

737
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: He's been a great I mean, he's really been a

738
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: great ambassador for the business.

739
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like for a really long time.

740
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: So, I mean he's kind of he's kind of the

741
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: Mission Impossible movies and.

742
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: All the action stuff.

743
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: Notwithstanding, I think people forget what a terrific actor he is.

744
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: And I and now that Mission Impossible is over. I

745
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: don't know him, but if I the first thing that

746
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: I would say to him is I want to see

747
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: you do another role like Magnolia.

748
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: You always say that, Well, totally last thing he's ever done.

749
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: Well, we all got to see him in a different light.

750
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: That was such a fun, weird, great movie.

751
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, or even Travick Thunder, Tramic Thunder exactly.

752
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: He's a wonderful actor opening.

753
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 4: These weird doors. Yeah, and he has it.

754
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: Seemed like he had so much fun with those roles too,

755
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 3: So like I love it, but I also love like

756
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: a Jerry Maguire, Like you can also just play a

757
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 3: normal guy, a prick in a suit, you know, quo

758
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 3: to quote you.

759
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 4: But I would watch him in anything.

760
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

761
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 4: I think that's almost people feel about him.

762
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 2: I mean, try to think about who's who are who

763
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: are the movie stars that are left?

764
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Speaker 4: That's what I mean, is it Brad Pitt Brad.

765
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 2: Pitt Lee, I mean Brad Leo. Sure.

766
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: I mean in my and when I first started out,

767
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: there was nobody.

768
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 2: There was nobody bigger than Harrison Ford.

769
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 4: Oh totally right.

770
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: And look at him at eighty three, no TV, doing TV,

771
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Speaker 1: but doing doing at.

772
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Speaker 2: At a high level.

773
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the high ranking and eighteen eighty three and

774
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: still terrific. And that to me is still inspiring because

775
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: I think as I get into I.

776
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: Mean I.

777
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: Started out probably like I say, I started out in

778
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: my mid twenties and grinded away and then really didn't

779
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,959
Speaker 1: get into another gear career wise until my lates.

780
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: I was an overnight success at like forty five.

781
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 4: But that's so inspiring.

782
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: I mean, well yeah, but I mean, and it's interesting

783
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: because I was listening to you talk about the business

784
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: with Rob Morrow a great interview with Rob, and he's great,

785
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: he's and he's also just a sweet, sweet soul, and

786
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: he's got a great take on life and he's navigated

787
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: the business really beautifully.

788
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: And it's an inspiration to me.

789
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: And if I had had success earlier in my career,

790
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: in my twenties or even early thirties, like great success

791
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: on the level that Rob had, or any a lot

792
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Speaker 1: of these other folks that I'm lucky enough to break

793
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 1: bread with, I don't know that I would have handled

794
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: it as well as a lot of these other guys.

795
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: I just don't know that I had the emotional tool. Yeah,

796
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: it took me. It took me into my forties to

797
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: really find. So the nice successes, the nice the nice

798
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: w's that I'm putting up on the board now in

799
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: my fifties are I think I'm able to.

800
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 2: Figure it out better?

801
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: And uh And then even meeting Dana at fifty, I

802
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: call her my first grown up.

803
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: It was she was my first grown yea.

804
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think that's really inspiring. I just came

805
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 3: from doing a podcast called Oldish Yeah with Brian Austin

806
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 3: Green and Randy Spelling, like right before I came here,

807
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 3: and I was a guest on there.

808
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we talked a lot about age.

809
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: Brian's not fifty, is he?

810
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 4: Brian is fifty?

811
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: Stop it really?

812
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even want to talk about it because

813
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: he looks so good and my husband's in the next room.

814
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 4: Like I don't even want to talk about.

815
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: It, but like, no, I mean to think of but

816
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 1: just to think of the kids from one in their fifties.

817
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just right. Time flies, man, it does.

818
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: And you know, sometimes you hit an existential.

819
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 4: When you get older.

820
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're thinking about your career, your identity, your value.

821
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 4: What do I want for the second half of my life?

822
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 4: You know?

823
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 3: Do I want to keep doing what I'm doing? Do

824
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: I want to keep growing? Do I want to completely change?

825
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 3: It's a daunting thing to get older in an industry

826
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 3: like mine is, and I'm sure like yours.

827
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 2: It is daunting.

828
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think about where I'm going to be

829
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: ten years down the road, yeah, right, fifteen years down

830
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: the road. I want to be in that in that

831
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: Harrison Ford. Yeah, aging gracefully, yes, hopefully nicely, still with

832
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: all my but also working, working with all my parts

833
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: and tax right, but yeah, it's a it's a it

834
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: is a business that traditionally does not look kindly on aging.

835
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: And so I've been involved for a long time with

836
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: the Motion Picture Television Fund and would also notice the

837
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: actor's home and they take you know, their motto is

838
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: taking care of her own and they do a great

839
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: job of like taking care of the older people in

840
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: the industry, not just actors but grips and writers and

841
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: directors and stuff. And yeah, getting I mean getting older

842
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: in this business is tough. And I had some great

843
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: examples of it in my mother watching her age gracefully.

844
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: She had great success in the sixties and seventies, and

845
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you're forty and you're past.

846
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: Your cell by date.

847
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 4: Oh I know.

848
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: So it's it's tricky. But I'm sure you know in

849
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:26,479
Speaker 2: your business as well.

850
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 3: But you know, get you, yeah, I mean, you hit

851
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 3: forty as a woman and you know, basically told to

852
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: Lee like shown the door in a lot of cases, Dannis.

853
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: So I want to say lucky, but she also deserves

854
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 3: to be exactly where she is. But she and I

855
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 3: can name dozens of women who've just kind of like

856
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: been shown the door and not working again. And what

857
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: what changed with us nothing. I'm still I might be

858
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: better at my job in my forties than I was

859
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: in my twenties. Of course I am.

860
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: But you know this, just are and you are well, of.

861
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 4: Course you are because you've learned so much.

862
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: And I'm saying, and you are.

863
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: And Dana is I mean, I watching watching her such

864
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: a great example to me. But also this is now

865
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: we're going on twelve years, but I knew who she

866
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: was when we met. Yes, watching her navigate her success

867
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: and grow and uh and do it with such grace

868
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: and kindness the way she does it is it is

869
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: it is an object lesson.

870
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: For me as well.

871
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: And and just also just aging, aging gracefully, aging gracefully

872
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: and and trying to and trying to do it with

873
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: with grace and not let the uh not let the trolls,

874
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: yeah get to you.

875
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 4: You know I've I've never told Dana this because I'll

876
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 4: be I'd be too embarrassed. So I'll tell you the story.

877
00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 4: You know, I come to CNA.

878
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 3: I came from ms I had had a show at MSNBC,

879
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 3: and I'd been on Fox and stuff, so I wasn't

880
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 3: like a total unknown when I came to CNN and

881
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 3: I came to see an in Every Fox and which,

882
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: but what I came to CNN for the new Crossfire reboot.

883
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 4: So I came with Cutter.

884
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 3: And with Cutter, Van Jones and New Gingrich anyway.

885
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: A combo platter.

886
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 4: Yes, but you know, you come to a new network.

887
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 3: I had done a lot of CNN, so it's not

888
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 3: it wasn't totally strange to me. But you come to

889
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: a new network that could go one of two ways.

890
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: Everyone's really excited that you're there, or no one's excited

891
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 3: that you're there.

892
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 4: I was lucky.

893
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: Most people were excited, you know, to have us there

894
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 3: and and and work together. But what you need as

895
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 3: a young woman coming into a new network is another woman,

896
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: a senior woman, just senior and status not necessarily age,

897
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: to like give you the head nod so that everyone

898
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: around takes you seriously. And between Candy, Ellie and Dana

899
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 3: and Gloria, these three women globo who were globos who

900
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 3: were senior in stature to me, giving me the impromater,

901
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 3: like I take this girl seriously, the rest of you

902
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 3: should was such a gift.

903
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 4: She doesn't.

904
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 3: I'm sure know that she did that because she I'm sure, well,

905
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 3: I hope she does, because I couldn't tell this to

906
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: her face without crying. But as a woman, that really

907
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 3: made such a huge difference for me, and I think

908
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 3: about it all the time as new women come into

909
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 3: my business and my space and giving them that encouragement

910
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: but just even support. It's not even like she took

911
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: me under her wing. I didn't need that. I was established,

912
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: I knew what I was doing. I needed the like

913
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 3: I've vetted this woman. I needed that and she did that,

914
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 3: did that without anyone.

915
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many other people and many

916
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: other women have said that to me or just but

917
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: just kind of everybody that she works with at CNN

918
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: is it's it's just really lovely to know that the

919
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: person that you are a partner with.

920
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: Is the way you see the way and is regarded

921
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: in that same light.

922
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: And it's funny because she talked about when she and

923
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: I first met, she talked a lot about Candy Crowley,

924
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: and I think even to this day, when you watch

925
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: Andy Cohen's show, he has a he's got like a

926
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: doll of Candy Crowley on his thing, like a Candy

927
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: cut out right. And I was a huge Candy Crowley fan.

928
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: Growing up watching her on CNN doing State of the

929
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: Union exactly, and so watching that progression from you know Dana,

930
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, Candy to Dana carrying on that tradition.

931
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: It's a big mantle to carry and she does it really,

932
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: really well.

933
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 4: You know.

934
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: And going back to I think, just going back to

935
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: talking about how people regard you as you get older,

936
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: and circling back to the beginning of our conversation, I

937
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: want to I feel like I'm just getting good.

938
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 4: I love that.

939
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm just finding my groove as an actor.

940
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: I really do, and I'm not saying that. I really

941
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: feel like I'm I'm with every gig, every whether it's

942
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: suits La, which I did a couple of months ago,

943
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: something as silly as that, or something as wonderful as

944
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: working with Tarantino, whatever it is, it's a new chance

945
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: to get better as an actor.

946
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: And so now at.

947
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: Sixty one, I feel like, boy By, I'm just getting

948
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: the hang of this. I feel like I'm really I

949
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 1: feel like I'm really getting the hang.

950
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: Of this now.

951
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: His acting thing so amazing, and it really makes me

952
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: feel like so by the time I'm a few years

953
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: from now, I can say because Sandy Meiser said it

954
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: takes twenty years to become an actor. And when I

955
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: was twenty one, and I heard that, and he said

956
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: that to me in our little one on one interview,

957
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: and I went, twenty years, Jesus, I don't have twenty years.

958
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: I want to get going, man, And then he would,

959
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: and then he said that to all. When I was

960
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: in class with him, he said that to the whole class,

961
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: and everybody sort of collectively groaned, Wow.

962
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: Twenty years to become an actor. But it's true.

963
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: And so me, it's taken twenty twenty five years to

964
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: be able to call yourself an actor, which is a

965
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: big responsibility. Yeah, and it's one that I don't take lightly,

966
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: coming from grandparents who did it and toiled in those fields,

967
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 1: to a mother who raised me as a single mother

968
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: doing whatever guest spots episodic television movies, watching her trying

969
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: to raise a kid as an actor in this business.

970
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: She was first woman president of the Screen Actors Guild,

971
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: so she was a.

972
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: Tough a tough cookie.

973
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: And watching the attacks on her as a woman in

974
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: a male dominated business and watching her navigate that stuff

975
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: with grace.

976
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 2: So I've had a lot of great role models. Yeah,

977
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 2: so I'm happy to say on off the cup with

978
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 2: you that I'm an actor.

979
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 4: I love that.

980
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I feel like I can kind

981
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 1: of finally call myself an actor.

982
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 4: I mean, you definitely can't. But I tell what you're saying,

983
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 4: I get it. I love that.

984
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to do a lightning round. But first,

985
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: the last question before we get to the lightning round.

986
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: Kind of a bunch of conspiracy theories about Hollywood?

987
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've heard them all? Yeah?

988
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 4: Or any of them true? What's a true conspiracy theory?

989
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: A true conspiracy theory? Any of them true about Hollywood?

990
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 4: Yeah?

991
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: Give me it? For instance, give me like, give me,

992
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: give me a little carrot here.

993
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 3: You know, there are conspiracy theories around in scientology, around

994
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: a gay cabal, velvet mafia. There you go, the velvet,

995
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 3: you know, political conspiracy theories.

996
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, truth to anything or is it all?

997
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: I mean?

998
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: I know I have several people that I know that

999
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: are that are in the scientology world, God bless them.

1000
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 4: Are they influential in Hollywood?

1001
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah?

1002
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I mean, you know, mister Cruz, for example,

1003
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: I I have I have to uh, I have to

1004
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: separate myself from my disdain for that.

1005
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 4: I have total disdain for that cult.

1006
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: I mean literally I have I have friends I think

1007
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: Dana might rank among them. I have literally friends that

1008
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: won't go to Tom Cruise movies with me because of

1009
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: that association. And I just leave that. I leave that

1010
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: at the door and just just you know, my popcorn

1011
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: and go for the ride. But yeah, people are people

1012
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: are kind of turned off by it. But yeah, there's

1013
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: a there's a little bit of a cabal in there.

1014
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: So that's uh, that is a true conspiracy theory. There's

1015
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: a little bit, there's a lot of influence there. It

1016
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: gives me the willies though, David Misscabbage and that whole

1017
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: that's there's some dark ship.

1018
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 4: There for sure, Harry.

1019
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 3: And you know, I've watched a lot of documentaries and

1020
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 3: you know.

1021
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: In front of Leah remedy is a do you know,

1022
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: I'm friends.

1023
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: With someone who's very good friends with Lea and has

1024
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 3: helped like helped her, you know, kind of message this

1025
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: and she.

1026
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: Still had I mean, she's gotten a lot of ship,

1027
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: she got a lot of black balling trying to you know,

1028
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: in the industry or speaking out. So uh, that's courage

1029
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: that's that's that's massive courage to me.

1030
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I walked by the building just down the story.

1031
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: It's that's one of many, one of many. It's not

1032
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: the building. There are many buildings. There's the Scientology Celebrity Center,

1033
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: which is around the corner from here that I think

1034
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot of property. And then further

1035
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: down in East Hollywood in the Los Fila's area on

1036
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: Sunset there's there's a big giant blue building and they

1037
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: walk around in their little uniforms at one point. I

1038
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: think there's a part of the ethos of Scientology was

1039
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: that they were told that it's smoking was good for them,

1040
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: so you would see them walking around in their uniforms

1041
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: like smoking.

1042
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: It's a it's bizarre. It's so creepy to me.

1043
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1044
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: And the Paul Thomas Anderson movie The Master really kind

1045
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: of nailed it, like it really got it right. Like

1046
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: the the I mean, l Ron Hubbard was that, well,

1047
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: there's a conspiracy is it true that he was that

1048
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: someone dared him on a bet that he couldn't create

1049
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: a religion start a religion out of whole cloth, and

1050
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: and he did. It's all based on malarkey. I mean

1051
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: it's bananas bano. Yes, so my hat's off to mister Cruz.

1052
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: Thank you for helping to save the industry.

1053
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 4: But I just don't.

1054
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I'm not going to come to

1055
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: your mixer. I love it.

1056
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 4: Okay, Lightning Round a TV show you'd like to do,

1057
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 4: but haven't.

1058
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: The currently or one that I wish that I were on.

1059
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 3: No, let's make it current so we can manifest it.

1060
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: Oh boy, I loved Yellowstone. I was really really got

1061
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: into Yellowstone.

1062
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that world.

1063
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 4: A cowboy hat, yeah, I do.

1064
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: I could do a cowboy hat.

1065
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 4: I could see it.

1066
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. I got.

1067
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: One of my earliest gigs was a show that you

1068
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: never heard of called Guns of Paradise, starring Lee Horseley

1069
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: and so and I did a couple of early TV

1070
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: shows where I was on horses, and at my audition

1071
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: the cast and director said can you ride? And I said,

1072
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: are you kidding? I'm like twenty four to twenty five

1073
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: years old?

1074
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: Can I ride? Are you kidding me? I grew up

1075
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: on a farm in Montana.

1076
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: I grew up roping dogies and I know, I mean,

1077
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm mister cowboy.

1078
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 2: And I got the gig.

1079
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: And then I went, oh shit, I've got to learn

1080
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: how to ride a horse really quick. And I went

1081
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: to the Sunset Ranch in Beechwood Canyon and I took

1082
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: horseback riding lessons so I would look like I knew

1083
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: what the hell I was doing. Ye, and I and

1084
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: the first take of a shot, I'm racing down a

1085
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: hill with two hundred extras on horseback behind me, and

1086
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm like this. You can't your listeners can't see it,

1087
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: but I say, hanging on for dear life. My hat

1088
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: flew off, and the director, Harry Harris, was his grizzled

1089
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: old veteran. He pulled me aside. He said, you son

1090
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 1: of a bitch, and I said, what is it, Harry?

1091
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: He said, you told me that you were, like, you know,

1092
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: a cowboy.

1093
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: Cowboy?

1094
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: Oh he knew, and he kind of winked at me.

1095
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: He's like, you got the gig though.

1096
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: Didn't you?

1097
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, I'm here, And he said, you

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Speaker 1: might want to take horseback riding off your resume for

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Speaker 1: a while.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, now I know how to ride horses.

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Speaker 1: I wish I were on Yellowstone something like that, a

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Speaker 1: Western eighteen eighty three manifest Yeah, I love that World.

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Speaker 2: I love.

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Speaker 1: I Actually I really like Kevin Costners the Horizon series,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, i'd love to.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to do something like that. Let's manifest that

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Speaker 2: a concert you'd like to go to?

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Speaker 1: But haven't I mean driving down here, Bob Dylan and

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Speaker 1: Willie Nelson playing together. I mean Willie's ninety one, I

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Speaker 1: think Dylan, but they're playing at the Hollywood Bowl next

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Speaker 1: month that I've never seen either of them live, So

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Speaker 1: I've got on my way home.

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Speaker 2: I literally I'm going to go to.

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Speaker 1: The box office at the Hollywood Bowl and see if

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Speaker 1: I can. I'll sit in the nosebleed seats. But I've

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Speaker 1: always wanted to. I've always wanted to see Dylan. I'm

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Speaker 1: a well I've seen Bruce a bunch. He's on tour

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Speaker 1: in Europe right now, and i'd love to. I'd love

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Speaker 1: to teleport myself over there and see him one last

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Speaker 1: time because I don't how much longer he's going to

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Speaker 1: be read bet Yeah, but Dylan and Dylan and.

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Speaker 2: Willie, Okay.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 1: I had a chance to Nina Simone when she was

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Speaker 1: still alive and Nina Simone was playing This is twenty

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Speaker 1: years ago.

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Speaker 2: She was playing at the Wiltern Theaters. She was playing

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Speaker 2: a concert and.

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Speaker 1: There was ah there were picketers outside, there were ayazzi

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Speaker 1: and teamsters picketers, there were picketing the theater and there

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Speaker 1: was something going on. And I was with my girlfriend

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Speaker 1: at the time, and we were driving by the theater.

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Speaker 2: And I said, we can't go. She says why. I said,

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Speaker 2: I'm a union guy. I can't. I can't cross the line.

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Speaker 1: And I and I and I've always thought, gosh, what if?

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Speaker 1: Because and she passed away shortly thereafter and I never

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Speaker 1: got to see it.

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Speaker 2: But can't cross the picket line across the Yeah.

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Speaker 4: A vacation spot you'd like to go but haven't yet?

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Speaker 2: Wow, I'm a Prague is high on my list.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I don't think of it as vacation, ye,

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Speaker 1: but you'd like I've always wanted to go to Prague, Fiji, Bali,

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Speaker 1: Far New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: I've got I've got a I've got a bucket list

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Speaker 1: of about of about ten.

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Speaker 4: But you've got lots of time.

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00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: I got lots of time. What about you? What's what

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Speaker 1: have you been? Have you been to all of those places?

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Speaker 3: What's what's I love travel travel me too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's like when I retire.

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Speaker 1: Basically, I just I'm just continuing to act so I

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Speaker 1: can afford to.

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Speaker 4: Go the places. Same.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I came out here for work, but I

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Speaker 3: brought my family because let's turn it into a trip.

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Speaker 3: I love taking trips. Yeah, there's lots of I want

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00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 3: to go to Japan really bad, me too, super into

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00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 3: like Japanese food.

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Speaker 4: My son's into you know, like Nintendo.

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Speaker 2: You like sushi loves really and ramen love.

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00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, so like that's that's our network. Our next maybe

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00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 4: big trip. That's a big trip.

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00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: And he's got a surfing lesson tomorrow is surfing. That's

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Speaker 1: exciting California.

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Speaker 4: This is the first time because they're.

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Speaker 2: Gonna end up moving out here. I think you're gonna

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Speaker 2: end up.

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Speaker 4: My husband was like, are we raising a California good? Like, well,

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's no serving in Connecticut, so none. Nope, it

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Speaker 1: just gives you an excuse to come out here more.

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Speaker 4: Exactly. What's the best movie about journalism?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean it sounds it sounds cliche. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I watched The Post. I watched The Post the other

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00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: night too, which I was great. I really really liked

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Speaker 1: The Post. I hadn't seen it since it came out.

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00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: That's tremendous movie, and it's and Danna teases me about this.

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00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: I literally I All the President's meant for me is like,

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Speaker 1: if it's on television, it's a remote drop.

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00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: But I have probably watched that.

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00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: Movie as much as, if not more than The Sting

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00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: or any of my favorite movies.

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00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: And I canon it's cannon.

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Speaker 1: But also like, so I watched The poste No, I

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00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: got to give this one that a try, and I

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00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: watch a terrific film. And then as soon as The

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00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 1: Post was done, because the Post ends, the last scene

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00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: in the Post, yes, ends with the security guard at

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Speaker 1: the Watergate Hotel looking at the tape on the door

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00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: and then yeah, you see, you know Nixon saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna we gotta keep those Washington postcards. And I thought,

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Speaker 1: all right, it's eleven thirty at night. I just finished

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Speaker 1: watching The Post. Watch and so I went and watched

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Speaker 1: All the President.

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Speaker 2: So good.

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Speaker 1: It's good, so good. The Paper is great, The Paper,

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Speaker 1: his girl, Friday, his girlfriend. I know that movie, Yeah, classic,

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Speaker 1: you know, classic screwball comedy. Great, great movie about journalism

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Speaker 1: is the condor I love as a as a journalism movie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, newspaper, that's well, it's the front, it's a front.

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00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 4: But he like works as a newspaper.

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Speaker 2: Well, he doesn't work in a newspaper, Redford.

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Speaker 1: He works for He works for the CIA, Yes, secretly,

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00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: but he is a it's not a newspaper.

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00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: He's a. It's a library. He's a.

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00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: He's a he reads books for a living, and he's

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Speaker 1: deciphering different hidden codes in the book.

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Speaker 4: Right, you're right, you're right, you're right.

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Speaker 2: But it's a great seventies.

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00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 4: It's a great movie.

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Speaker 2: It's a great movie.

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Speaker 3: I love Shattered Glass. That is, yes, plastic movie. Billy Ray,

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00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 3: who's a politics so good, terrific director who I've gotten

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00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 3: to work with a couple of times.

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Speaker 4: Billy, it's a good movie.

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Speaker 2: It is a very good movie.

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00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Shattered Glass and also stayed a place to rific film. Yeah, Spotlight, Spotlights,

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Speaker 1: Spotlight and really good, which was written by the same

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Speaker 1: Liz Hannah and Josh Singer who wrote The Post which

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Speaker 1: I saw the others Hannah wrote Spotlight.

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Speaker 2: And Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's just just so many terrific movies. I

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Speaker 1: mean bombshell.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, I love that movie. Yeah, you know so

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Speaker 3: Kate McKinnon was in that movie. Ye, ky McKinnon, she's

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Speaker 3: so talented. Spoofed me on SNL when I was working

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Speaker 3: at MSNBC.

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Speaker 1: Did she Yeah, which is like did she send you up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: A couple of times.

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Speaker 1: Dana's there's what I forget who Heidi Gardner I think

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Speaker 1: played Dana and said, Hi, my name is Dana Bash.

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00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: It's Dana for some reason, because because Dana gets like

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Speaker 1: Dana of course, you know.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's such a but I ran into Kate like

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Speaker 3: the Monday after she had.

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Speaker 1: Done a massive, massive actor crush on on her. Me too,

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Speaker 1: and Nana's talented.

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00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 3: Maybe even like a real crush, but I mean I

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Speaker 3: ran into her like the monday after she had done it,

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Speaker 3: and she is like, Hi, are we okay?

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Speaker 2: Good? Good? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Good okay. Last question, it's the most important question. To me.

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00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 3: We ask it every time. Yeah, when is iced coffee season?

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Speaker 2: Any anytime?

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00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 4: Okay, that's the correct answer. Yeah, what is the correction answer,

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Speaker 4: Spencer Garrett?

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00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,479
Speaker 2: Now everyone gets that right, No season? Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I knew you'd get it. I knew you'd get it.

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Speaker 3: Spencer Garrett, this was so fun. Yeah, this, thank you

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Speaker 3: for going. Oh I know I could talk to you.

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Speaker 2: For that after me. I know you're the day.

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Speaker 4: You're it for the day. Coming up next week.

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Speaker 3: On Off the Cup, I sit down with the host

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Speaker 3: of the More Stories podcast, Jay Moore.

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