Speaker 1: Check it down, man, and I'm just close the story now.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of those idiots will believe in analytics.
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Speaker 2: producing number nine.
Speaker 1: How you doing, I'm doing great, man, coming back sharp,
Speaker 1: coming back sharp, helping you out, helping you que you
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Speaker 2: It's tough. I'm literally ready to go. No. It was
Speaker 2: talking about, by the way, not only were you gone
Speaker 2: last week, Drew Densick wasn't here, Feazick wasn't here, Doctor
Speaker 2: Bob wasn't here. Me and Wyatt were like, all right,
Speaker 2: well who's in town? So Carl Sack stepped in, Benze
Speaker 2: Quinn stepped in. I saw a lot of great Carl
Speaker 2: Sach segments last week. I did see that it was
Speaker 2: given out winners. Carl Sax Awesome. It's all that matters.
Speaker 2: Kelly Bidlin, Laz's gentleman producing number nine so much more
Speaker 2: than a producer. It is guessing lines Week eighteen in
Speaker 2: the National Football League, And here's the thing about it.
Speaker 2: On the one hand, this is the most how can
Speaker 2: I put this for KACTA guessing lines of the season
Speaker 2: would be the word I would use. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: In many ways, it's the most interesting because there's several
Speaker 2: levels to kind of try to suss out here about
Speaker 2: how these teams are going to play this week eighteen,
Speaker 2: with motivations being different from team to team. We'll get
Speaker 2: into all of it in the process. We'll look back
Speaker 2: at week number seventeen in the National.
Speaker 1: Football I will tell you what one of my favorite
Speaker 1: new annual traditions is just to sit in front of
Speaker 1: my don Best screen after they start releasing openers on Sundays,
Speaker 1: because it's like move four points one way, move five
Speaker 1: points back the other way, move two points back the
Speaker 1: other way.
Speaker 2: So like some of these games before I said it
Speaker 2: was too last time, I'm like, I don't know, this
Speaker 2: could be this.
Speaker 1: So it's also winn by face weeks and guessing lines
Speaker 1: because we have multiple games we're gild nails the line
Speaker 1: and multiple games where you have the wrongs team favor.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm sure we do all right. Before we
Speaker 2: do that Circus Survivor update as we always do at
Speaker 2: the beginning of each and every guessing lines, we are
Speaker 2: down to eighteen eighteen entries left, as sixteen go out
Speaker 2: with the Colts yesterday, Colts getting upset by the Giants.
Speaker 2: The Giants down no longer have the number one pick
Speaker 2: in the draft. They fall back to number four as
Speaker 2: we stand right now, but the Colts go down, sixteen
Speaker 2: go down with them. Eighteen left. Intrinsic value implied value
Speaker 2: of the remaining eighteen entries, each of which seven hundred
Speaker 2: ninety two thousand dollars, seven hundred and ninety two, five
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty five dollars and fifty six cents. Oh man,
Speaker 2: congratulations to all who are currently still alive.
Speaker 1: I wish I was in that spot where do you're
Speaker 1: just locked in, Like if you somehow had like two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty k locked in right now and then
Speaker 1: just the rest on the line.
Speaker 2: You did it right, But it is brutal because of
Speaker 2: what we just talked about. So many games involve varying motivations.
Speaker 2: And if you saved certain teams. I don't know which
Speaker 2: each of these, who each of these have saved, but
Speaker 2: you may be one of these. At least a few
Speaker 2: of these. Eighteen must be locked into a situation where like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, the teams we were counting on, like
Speaker 2: my bills. Let's say it's the bills. Probably not, but
Speaker 2: let's say it's the bills. For argument's sake, they have
Speaker 2: nothing to play for. Oh god, right, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So eight by the way, there's been too many to
Speaker 2: even consider a chop until now. Eighteen seems like too
Speaker 2: many to consider a chop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And because of what you're talking about, I am
Speaker 1: sure there are certain people out there that think they're
Speaker 1: in far better positions than others. And we saw that
Speaker 1: come into play last year with the chop conversations.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent good luck to all in circa survivor
Speaker 2: the fourteen million, two hundred and sixty six thousand dollars
Speaker 2: circa survivor. All right, this is the week also now
Speaker 2: where the NFL, and they did this a few years ago,
Speaker 2: several years ago at this point, where they legislated out
Speaker 2: the possibility. They don't know about this, but what we
Speaker 2: were looking forward to with correlated parlays. Now everybody involved
Speaker 2: in the same sort of playoff scenario plays concurrently. They
Speaker 2: play simultaneously, play at the same time, and so we
Speaker 2: have two games on Saturday, we have an early block
Speaker 2: on Sunday that is sort of the correlated games, same
Speaker 2: with the afternoon block, and then of course a Sunday
Speaker 2: night standalone.
Speaker 1: Can I go bravo NFL for a second, because I
Speaker 1: feel like we usually crap all over schedules, but like
Speaker 1: I think they've kind of got this figured out.
Speaker 2: For Week eighteen, well because especially this year, because honestly,
Speaker 2: there's not many games. I mean, there were scenarios here
Speaker 2: where if things broke another way, Let's say, like Denver
Speaker 2: had won that game last week this past Saturday, we
Speaker 2: could have had so few games of implication. We already
Speaker 2: have very few, but it could have even been fewer.
Speaker 2: You know, if the Falcons win last night, you could
Speaker 2: have a little bit more more. Get to that, all, right,
Speaker 2: where do we start. Let's start with Saturday. Yes, the
Speaker 2: line fired up.
Speaker 1: Let me eighteen last full week of the NFL season.
Speaker 2: Said Mona Jesse'll Jo.
Speaker 1: All right, Saturday, you're thirty Eastern Browns at the Ravens.
Speaker 2: Okay, we don't have to talk about the Other nice
Speaker 2: thing about week eighteen is we don't have to talk
Speaker 2: about games that stink. So the Browns lose to Tyler
Speaker 2: Huntley and the Dolphins. There's nothing else to say about
Speaker 2: it other than DTR. You want to know DTR's greatest
Speaker 2: stafford yesterday? A quarterback? Is he? Oh, he's so good?
Speaker 2: Twenty four of forty seven for one seventy Think about that,
Speaker 2: forty seven pass attempts and he managed one hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy yards. That's three point six yards per attempt.
Speaker 1: I thought the NFL was an entertainment product. Gill, give
Speaker 1: me an entertaining quarterback. You got one there on the bench.
Speaker 2: And then you have Baltimore. Baltimore. They win, and they
Speaker 2: win the AFC North. They win and they lock in
Speaker 2: the number three seed. Baltimore again with Lamar Jackson right
Speaker 2: there with what is a plus two fifty five dogs
Speaker 2: something like that in the MVP market right now, as
Speaker 2: Josh Allen ticks back up after playing yesterday, I see
Speaker 2: it as Lamar should be the favorite. But of course
Speaker 2: we have an honest disagreement on that. We'll get into
Speaker 2: the MVP talk a little later. So again, they win Baltimore,
Speaker 2: does they win the NFC, excuse me, the AFC North
Speaker 2: and they get the number three seed. Baltimore should be
Speaker 2: a like a million point favorite in this game. I said,
Speaker 2: fourteen and a half. Yeah, right now it is up
Speaker 2: to this is gonna be great.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, my lines are all out of sort. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one job, Kelly Bello, I know exactly. They didn't resort everything,
Speaker 1: Ravens Browns, We're up to eighteen now, seventeen and a half.
Speaker 3: Eighteen.
Speaker 2: I can't decie I saw putting a hook on top
Speaker 2: of the fourteen. I was doing something, But I can't disagree. Okay,
Speaker 2: So the only issue here is does Baltimore go out
Speaker 2: to a massive lead and then at some point say, well,
Speaker 2: we've done it, We're gonna have the number three seed,
Speaker 2: We're gonna win the division. Why don't we call off
Speaker 2: the dogs? Lamar all y'all, all y'all the last quarter
Speaker 2: and a half. Why don't you take a seat.
Speaker 1: That is the only issue though, right, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever laid seventeen and a
Speaker 1: half points or if I could remember, but you might
Speaker 1: want to but I might want to hear if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for that, I might be looking at like first
Speaker 1: half all lines or something like that on Baltimore because
Speaker 1: I think you're right, there's a possibility if this gets
Speaker 1: into blowout territory. I mean, I have no trust in
Speaker 1: DTR and actually making this a game at all.
Speaker 2: So let's go to the second one because I want
Speaker 2: to talk about this all right.
Speaker 1: Bengals Steelers ben Is Saturday Night Bengals Steelers Saturday Night
Speaker 1: Steelers in order for them to win the AFC, or
Speaker 1: if they would have to win and Baltimore would have
Speaker 1: to lose.
Speaker 2: The Steelers now are really if they think if they're
Speaker 2: pretty much convinced the ray are gonna win earlier in
Speaker 2: the day, which which they'll know obviously by kickoff. Seating
Speaker 2: still matters because being the number five seed means you
Speaker 2: get to go to Houston five at four. So winning
Speaker 2: here would matter big to the Steelers. Winning here and
Speaker 2: having Steelers have the inside track for five or do the.
Speaker 1: Chargers charge they do As of right now, Steelers have
Speaker 1: the inside trackers, they they gotta win, so that's why
Speaker 1: it still matters to the Steelers here this game, and
Speaker 1: the Bengals, of course it matters hugely to them because
Speaker 1: if they win and both the Broncos and Dolphins lose,
Speaker 1: the Bengals would get.
Speaker 2: A playoff berth. So that makes the line guessing very difficult.
Speaker 2: But let's let's just talk We know about the Steelers
Speaker 2: because we already talked about that, the Steelers losing to
Speaker 2: the Chiefs badly, where Mike Tomlins still giving Charity punts
Speaker 2: in that game, but and then like acting like they
Speaker 2: didn't want to score at the end. It was very
Speaker 2: we're twenty nine ten Chiefs. We talked about it. But Cincinnati, oh,
Speaker 2: we got to talk about this game again. It's the
Speaker 2: Broncos Cincinnati ten ten game, three ten left in the
Speaker 2: third quarter, Cincinnati, they match touchdown, Cincinnati sixty three yards
Speaker 2: Burrow to Higgins from twelve seventeen to ten. Bengals eleven
Speaker 2: thirty three left in the fourth quarter, Bo Nicks and
Speaker 2: the Broncos come right back five play, seventy five yards
Speaker 2: Nicks to Mimes Junior from fifty one out. How great
Speaker 2: is Mims Junior both on special teams and as a
Speaker 2: wide out seventeen seventeen, eight forty eight left in the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, Cincinnati, third and four at midfield, Burrow to
Speaker 2: Higgins for seven, tackled by Sir Tan, fumbles, Sir Tan recovers,
Speaker 2: but Denver gives it right back. Third and fifteen at
Speaker 2: their own forty six Nicks picked by Jermaine Pratt, Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: And here's where the Shenanigans begin to kelly. Cincinnati seventeen
Speaker 2: seventeen game first and ten at their own forty one
Speaker 2: with two thirty left. Fourth quarter, Burrow to Chase for
Speaker 2: thirty eight, its first and goal at the four with
Speaker 2: one thirty six left. Okay, here's the thing, guys, for
Speaker 2: all of you who are killing Zach Taylor, you are
Speaker 2: right about this moment. You are not right about the
Speaker 2: second moment. Here's what should have had happened here. The
Speaker 2: Bengals should have simply kneeled on the football and kicked
Speaker 2: the chip shot field goal, and the Broncos would have
Speaker 2: gotten the ball back with roughly ten to fifteen seconds
Speaker 2: left in the game down three. That was the correct
Speaker 2: way to play it. Instead, Instead, the Bengals decided to
Speaker 2: run a play. Chase Brown was bottled up and then
Speaker 2: he broke out of that and bounced off for a
Speaker 2: three yard pickup to the One problem is he got hurt.
Speaker 2: He got hurt, so not only does it tweak his
Speaker 2: ankle and have to leave the game, but Cincinnati has
Speaker 2: to take an injury timeout and Denver saves their lone
Speaker 2: remaining timeout. People killing Zach Taylor for what happened after
Speaker 2: this are incorrect. You can kill him for not kneeling,
Speaker 2: But here the choice was between second in goal that
Speaker 2: Denver one with one thirty one left. So you either
Speaker 2: go up seven with one to twenty nine left, or
Speaker 2: you go up three and give Denver the ball back
Speaker 2: with forty five seconds to go. I think you score there,
Speaker 2: and that's what Cincinnati decided to do. Denver then had
Speaker 2: three plays to get a first intent. At this all
Speaker 2: it took was Denver three places to get first intent.
Speaker 2: The Cincinnati thirty four Nicks to Lucas Crawley failed to
Speaker 2: get out of bounds after a three yard game fourth
Speaker 2: and one of the Cincinnati twenty five last time out used.
Speaker 2: Nicks flushed right, heaves it to MIM's junior rule to
Speaker 2: catch on the field. He survives the review touchdown twenty
Speaker 2: four to twenty three. Bo Nix is calling to go
Speaker 2: for two pre review. I don't know if Peyton changed
Speaker 2: his mind during the review or if we always wanted
Speaker 2: to kick the extra point, but he, like an idiot,
Speaker 2: decides to kick the extra point because you can make
Speaker 2: the playoffs with a two yard play, but instead you
Speaker 2: want to play a random overtime against Joe Burrow. More
Speaker 2: of that to come in weeks Oven Zach Taylor and
Speaker 2: then both and then Sean Payton's like, hold my beer,
Speaker 2: watch this and we go to overtime. We'll give you
Speaker 2: the guests here in a moment, because this is an
Speaker 2: interesting guest to make in terms of a Cincinnati at
Speaker 2: Pittsford game, coming.
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Speaker 2: plays began last night. The twenty twenty five tennis betting season,
Speaker 2: at least for me, began yesterday. And we open up
Speaker 2: with a two in one in.
Speaker 1: Brisbane, Australia, Australia, where we at like the fourth biggest
Speaker 1: city in Australia.
Speaker 2: We're we're in Brisbane. Soon we'll be in Adellaide Adelli,
Speaker 2: that's always my favorite. Adelaide coming up, and then we'll
Speaker 2: get to Melbourne.
Speaker 1: I got to spend way too much time around my
Speaker 1: brother in law who is from Australia. Oh yeah, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very difficult for me to uh not not work
Speaker 1: in the accent once I have a few cocktails on me.
Speaker 2: He does not appreciate that. Let me, h, Kelly building
Speaker 2: drinking what I know, it's weird. Let's go back to
Speaker 2: what I just talked about again, get back to the
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor thing. I want. I want folks to understand
Speaker 2: this because you know, we've had some folks on this
Speaker 2: network in the past who want to kill Zach Taylor
Speaker 2: for going to the you know, having two coffees instead
Speaker 2: of one in the morning. Zach Taylor was wrong for
Speaker 2: not kneeling. He was wrong for not kneeling with one
Speaker 2: thirty six left because it opens the possibility up for
Speaker 2: football things to happen. Yeah, so, and that's the thing,
Speaker 2: and so football things happened. Chase Brown got hurt. It
Speaker 2: set up a situation that no one could have anticipated
Speaker 2: where Denver got to preserve their last time out and
Speaker 2: Cincinnati was forced to use an injury timeout at that
Speaker 2: point going for the touchdown over you know, kicking the
Speaker 2: field goal was actually not a bad play. It's the
Speaker 2: play before where he made the wrong decision. I hope
Speaker 2: people get that. Anyway, Overtime came because bo because Sean
Speaker 2: Payton refused to go for two, so they tied it up.
Speaker 2: Overtime came, Cincinnati punted on two straight after two straight sacks.
Speaker 2: Denver followed up with a three and out. Nick's missed
Speaker 2: Franklin deep. Cincinnati started at their own forty four with
Speaker 2: five o eight left in the overtime period they matriculated,
Speaker 2: but Cade York doinked a thirty three yard or off
Speaker 2: the left upright. How many doinks were going on this weekend? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Then Denver three and out, where Cincinnati used both of
Speaker 2: their timeouts. So this is where Denver, like Sean Payton,
Speaker 2: I don't know what kind of play calls he was
Speaker 2: making an overtime, but he got super conservative because remember
Speaker 2: all Denver needed was a tie. Then Cincinnati started at
Speaker 2: their own thirty seven with two twenty left in overtime.
Speaker 2: Fourth play one to fourteen left second intent the Denver
Speaker 2: thirty four brow to Higgins for thirty one, got both
Speaker 2: feet down. Next play Higgins for three touchdown ball games.
Speaker 2: Cincinnati stays live, easy cover, no way he cover was
Speaker 2: just like last night anyway. So it's like, okay, Zach
Speaker 2: Taylor did something wrong. Sean Payton's like, oh my beer,
Speaker 2: wait till we get to the next game. But this
Speaker 2: is Cincinnati Pittsburgh, so let's go through it again. Pittsburgh still,
Speaker 2: even though they probably won't win the AFC North a
Speaker 2: win and a Baltimore loss, they do. But even though
Speaker 2: they probably won't because Baltimore plays Cleveland, they still want
Speaker 2: to get that five seed because they get to go
Speaker 2: to Houston, which is probably the worst team feeling like
Speaker 2: heading into the postseason, it feels like it. I mean,
Speaker 2: just when your options are no matter how you.
Speaker 1: Feel about at Buffalo, at Baltimore.
Speaker 2: At Houston, it's an easy decision of a lazy decision.
Speaker 2: So it matters to Pittsburgh, but obviously it matters most
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati who they can get this win under their
Speaker 2: belt and then they get to watch football on Sunday
Speaker 2: to see if both the Broncos and Dolphins lose. So
Speaker 2: I came up with putting all that in the wash.
Speaker 2: Cincinnati minus one and a half. Cincinnati three is where
Speaker 2: they're at. Oh, okay, I don't hate that play that
Speaker 2: pick then that guess Okay, I don't hate it either.
Speaker 2: I think my my. I wouldn't have thought three though,
Speaker 2: because Pittsburgh's incentive still And that's a line like, I
Speaker 2: don't know about you. I'm sure you're thinking this same
Speaker 2: way I am where.
Speaker 1: I if I had to bet a side, it'd be Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: But I'm not laying a full three points with Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: and there's no chance it should be three a full
Speaker 2: three except for that. Mike Tomlin is going to try
Speaker 2: to go four straight weeks and concede a game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is I think this will be a
Speaker 1: stay away from me. Let's go to Sunday, all right,
Speaker 1: Sunday Early window Panthers at Falcons.
Speaker 2: Kelly's dying because he had a Falcons ticket. Still has
Speaker 2: Kelly Seahawks tickets that went up and smoke last night.
Speaker 2: You had a good weekend. Sorry, Carolina gets destroyed by
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay. We don't really need to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Forty eight to fourteen is your final. That was my
Speaker 2: one horrible pick of the week. Everything else I got
Speaker 2: right Carolina, I had plus the points. Yeah, nice job by.
Speaker 1: Hey, you're thinking shootout and you just didn't didn't get
Speaker 1: a shootout from the Carolina side.
Speaker 2: Bryce Young, I think it's a good spin on the season,
Speaker 2: but there still were some choppy things. Not that it's
Speaker 2: all his fault.
Speaker 1: Wait, can we talk Bryce Young for one second?
Speaker 2: Let's make it one say okay, but go ahead. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what is his status next season? I think he's their quarterback.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're drafting a quarterback, but I don't
Speaker 2: That's the thing. When we get to when we talk
Speaker 2: about the draft. New England right now has the number
Speaker 2: one play. They're the one team. By the way, nine
Speaker 2: teams have three or four wins, nine over a quarter
Speaker 2: of the league. Sucks if you are the five and
Speaker 2: eleven Saints. Remember five, five and eleven not too good.
Speaker 2: That was Steve Spurry talking about his skins at the time.
Speaker 2: You have the tenth pick in the draft. How much
Speaker 2: does that suck? It's wild wild. But to your point
Speaker 2: about Carolina, I don't know what you do. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've heard that a lot of like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Bryce Young's the GE's gonna
Speaker 1: be the quarterback? Okay, with all due respect to Bryce Young,
Speaker 1: and I do mean, with all due respect, you put
Speaker 1: together a few nice weeks. I'm not to the point
Speaker 1: Gil where I like, i'd be ready to move on. Still,
Speaker 1: if I'm Carolina, let's.
Speaker 2: Go to the next game. We are at command. We're
Speaker 2: not out the next game. We're talking about Atlanta in
Speaker 2: Atlanta because I gotta talk about this. So then Zach
Speaker 2: Taylor and Sean Payton say, uh, look at us, We're
Speaker 2: the dumbos of the week, and Raheem Morris says, hold
Speaker 2: my beer. Oh Atlanta early game, Pennix picked by Kwan
Speaker 2: Martin Washington seven places, thirty eight yards three twelve. Daniels
Speaker 2: is a chaos who had a great game. We replaced,
Speaker 2: We've taken Ola made it's a chaos out of his
Speaker 2: jersey and put Terry McLaurin in it. Watch what happens.
Speaker 2: Terry McLure won catch the kiss was all over the
Speaker 2: field yesterday. I can't keep up with these jersey numbers.
Speaker 2: By the way, I know it's crazy. Anyway, seven and nothing,
Speaker 2: Washington on the on a fourth and two from the seven,
Speaker 2: passed the case seven and nothing Washington, first quarter. Let
Speaker 2: us fast forward to later in the half. Okay, it
Speaker 2: is now seven to seven, Washington three and out after
Speaker 2: Jayden's knee was bent back on a second down sack
Speaker 2: where I had a heart attack. Then after in Atlanta
Speaker 2: three and now Washington first and twenty at the Atlanta
Speaker 2: twenty two Daniels bad pass pick by kay Nellis. Atlanta
Speaker 2: goes eleven play seventy two yards bejon in from one
Speaker 2: fourteen to seven Falcons and at this point they are
Speaker 2: dominating the line of scrimmage. Washington is committing all kinds
Speaker 2: of penalties four twenty four left and second quarter, and
Speaker 2: then Washington after Washington punt. Here's where the Raheem Morris
Speaker 2: Shenanigans begin. Atlanta basically gifts Washington four points of charity
Speaker 2: when Morris doesn't call any of his three timeouts. Washington
Speaker 2: had had, you know, got a fourth down with like
Speaker 2: two thirty eight left in the in the half, two
Speaker 2: thirty five something like that. Rahiem Morris didn't call one
Speaker 2: of his timeouts. Let Washington run it down to the
Speaker 2: two minute warning. Then he gets the ball back with
Speaker 2: one fifty three up seven points. They have all three timeouts, Kelly,
Speaker 2: they run plays with one fifty three. They let it
Speaker 2: run to one eighteen. Okay, maybe you know, maybe right,
Speaker 2: because you still have three timeouts. There's still a lot
Speaker 2: of time. Then fifty three, then forty six, and now
Speaker 2: here is where you're screaming at the TV. The next
Speaker 2: play wasn't run until twenty's seconds were left on the clock.
Speaker 2: At eight. I was off the couch screaming at the TV.
Speaker 2: What are you doing? Does he think you could have
Speaker 2: six timeouts in the second half of you saved them?
Speaker 2: You got to save him for the off season gil Oh. Anyway,
Speaker 2: they end up with twenty seconds left at the Washington
Speaker 2: twenty four and then they go three yards in complete
Speaker 2: and complete, so they have to settle for a field
Speaker 2: goal thirty nine yard or seventeen to seven at the half,
Speaker 2: and you're like, okay, thanks for the four points. Washington
Speaker 2: is only down ten. Remember Washington wins. They're in the postseason.
Speaker 2: Third quarter, Washington miserable first sequence with a hold in
Speaker 2: a sack, and then on third and twenty two, you're like,
Speaker 2: Washington's their line is getting dominated. Third and twenty two
Speaker 2: it's another sack, but nullified by a flag a defensive hold.
Speaker 2: Remember that moment. The entire game changed after it. After
Speaker 2: another hold on Washington, Daniels to Ertz for thirty seven
Speaker 2: seven plays later fourth and one at the Atlanta sixteen
Speaker 2: jade and for four three plays later it Ertz from
Speaker 2: ten out, fifteen play, sixty nine yard drive, seventeen to
Speaker 2: fourteen Atlanta seven thirteen left in the third, then in
Speaker 2: Atlanta three and out, then Washington including fourth and five
Speaker 2: at the Atlanta thirty nine, where Jayden went to McNichols
Speaker 2: for six where he just got to the sticks. It's
Speaker 2: a fourteen play seventy yard drive Rodriguez Junior in from four.
Speaker 2: Washington takes the lead with thirteen oh three left in
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, twenty one to seventeen. Then another Atlanta
Speaker 2: U punt Washington second and goal at the one. The
Speaker 2: Atlanta defense holds, largely because of a Cosmei holding penalty
Speaker 2: on Washington's offensive lineman Gonzales thirty one yard fieldal Zaane,
Speaker 2: this time twenty four to seventeen Washington. At this point
Speaker 2: in the second half, it was two twelve to fourteen
Speaker 2: in total yards in favor of Washington. The second half
Speaker 2: total tale of dw abs four to thirty two left.
Speaker 2: Atlanta gets to fourth and eleven at midfield. Michael Pennix,
Speaker 2: who didn't really impress against the Giants, Oh did he
Speaker 2: come of age? Two thirty four left of the fourth quarter,
Speaker 2: Fourth and eleven at midfield, Pennis to London for thirty one,
Speaker 2: then McLeod for fourteen. They're set up at the Washington
Speaker 2: five with two twenty left. They need a touchdown to tie.
Speaker 2: They go Wildcat. Drew Dolman snaps it through Beijon's.
Speaker 1: Head, Wow up a loss of twenty one second in
Speaker 1: goal at the twenty six at the two minute warning,
Speaker 1: Beijeon does and have presence of mind to throw it
Speaker 1: when he was scrambling with the ball.
Speaker 2: Pennis to London for thirteen on second down. Now it's
Speaker 2: third and goal at the thirteen end zone. Not close
Speaker 2: to London, fourth and goal at the thirteen. Surely Washington
Speaker 2: is going to clinch a playoff birth Pennis to Pitts
Speaker 2: touchdown twenty four to twenty four. Raheem Morris says, let's
Speaker 2: kick the extra point Washington three and out. Terrible drive
Speaker 2: by Washington. Terrible sequence. I don't know what they were
Speaker 2: thinket it only took twenty nine seconds. Atlanti starts at
Speaker 2: their own nineteen with forty seconds left. Why don't we
Speaker 2: wait till after the break to tell you what Raheem
Speaker 2: Morris did at this point in case you missed it.
Speaker 1: I go, like seventeen more things to say about this
Speaker 1: game too.
Speaker 2: Oh, we still have seventeen more things to say because
Speaker 2: again Zach Taylor, Sean Payton, Oh, you're not getting double
Speaker 2: over the week, you really aren't. Ry Morris is coming back.
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Speaker 2: hear how Tom Brady pronounced sacks yesterday?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: You get that. I can. I have a hard time
Speaker 2: listening to you. You can't take socks there. It was
Speaker 2: really weird. Is it like Matt Brown with me with Hawks?
Speaker 2: People were it was. It was weirder though people were
Speaker 2: saying this same people were saying it was a New
Speaker 2: England accent. But it's like I've lived in New England.
Speaker 2: That doesn't sound to me, like because there's like socks.
Speaker 2: It wasn't that.
Speaker 1: Oh so he's not from New England, right, Like, I
Speaker 1: understand he played there for a long time.
Speaker 2: But can we get back to Raheem Morris for a second.
Speaker 2: Oh please, let's do that. So Raheem Morris does that
Speaker 2: thing at the end of the first half where he
Speaker 2: basically gifts Washington four points that because they settle for
Speaker 2: a field goal instead of getting it into the end zone.
Speaker 2: No guarantee they would have gotten an end zone. But
Speaker 2: let's say it this way. You had three time outs,
Speaker 2: you kept them all. You had so much more time
Speaker 2: to work with. Okay, by the way, he's done Shenanigan's
Speaker 2: earlier in the year too. This is not the first
Speaker 2: time we talked about Raheem Morris.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, worst case Gil, it's like an easier
Speaker 1: field goal, right, Like, that's like, that's probably what we're
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 2: Okay. So Michael Pennix, who has a coming out party
Speaker 2: here in his second start. And by the way, if
Speaker 2: you're an Atlanta Falcons fan, how many times were you
Speaker 2: thinking to yourself or an Atlanta fans about backer Atlanta
Speaker 2: Falcons backer. Were you're thinking we should have benched Kirk
Speaker 2: Cousins weeks ago?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, it's really it is kind of sad, like
Speaker 1: he's such a good guy.
Speaker 2: He's such a good guy.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of sick of everybody talking about how good
Speaker 1: of a guy he is. But it's so true, like
Speaker 1: any of these interviews.
Speaker 2: You've heard from them, like who would say that? And
Speaker 2: I say it every time. I was like, guess I
Speaker 2: can say whatever I want about him as a football player,
Speaker 2: but there's never been a moment you even think he
Speaker 2: was a great guy. Fourth and so again, fourth and goal.
Speaker 2: At the thirteen Washington wins, they clinch a playoff Berth.
Speaker 2: Let me just talk to you about Washington. Washington has
Speaker 2: not been in the playoffs since the Taylor Heineke Pylon
Speaker 2: game against Tom Brady and the Bucks in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Before that, there was one Kirk Cousins playoff game in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. They lost at home to Aaron Rodgers. I
Speaker 2: was there then. Before that, it was the RG three
Speaker 2: hurt his knee game where the stadium was a Morgan
Speaker 2: twenty twelve against the Seahawks. They lost that. I was there,
Speaker 2: and then before that you have to go back to
Speaker 2: Gibbs two point zero, two thousand and seven, two thousand
Speaker 2: and five. One.
Speaker 1: That's wild to how long did you hold your breath
Speaker 1: when he went down with that knee?
Speaker 2: The knee, the Jane Daniels bend backwards thing. I almost
Speaker 2: it was just everything RG three All yeah, I yelled.
Speaker 2: I was like no, no, please, no backup, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: for God, says thanks anyway. So Pennis fourth and goal
Speaker 2: at the thirteen fourth and goal of thirteen Penix to
Speaker 2: Pits touchdown twenty four, twenty four. Because Ray Morris decides
Speaker 2: to kick ca Asher point, Washington goes three and out
Speaker 2: in twenty nine seconds. Very ill conceived drive. Washington deserves
Speaker 2: criticism for that as well. Because Atlanta gets the ball
Speaker 2: back at their own nineteen with forty seconds left, you've
Speaker 2: got you've got two timeouts, and you've got just plenty
Speaker 2: of time because because you go twenty five to Mooney
Speaker 2: out of the shoot, Morris doesn't call timeout. Mooney, who
Speaker 2: stays in bounds though too stays and bounds. So when
Speaker 2: Pennix throws it, keep on. They started to drive. With
Speaker 2: forty seconds you go twenty five to Mooney, right, twenty
Speaker 2: five to Mooney from your from your own nineteen yard line.
Speaker 2: When Pennix throws an incompletion on the next play, do
Speaker 2: you know how much time is left? Twelve seconds at
Speaker 2: your own forty four? What are you doing? What are
Speaker 2: you doing? And as a Washington fan and back er,
Speaker 2: I had washing it at ATS I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: is he going to do it again? And the answer
Speaker 2: is yes. Then there's seven seconds left on the next incompletion.
Speaker 2: Finally they use one with a stopped clock. Right, it's
Speaker 2: already at stop clock. They're like, should probably use the
Speaker 2: time out? Seven seconds left. Then a PI called on
Speaker 2: Michael Davis and it sets up a Patterson field goal,
Speaker 2: but instead of it being a chip shot or a
Speaker 2: normal length field goal, it's a fifty six yarder. Even
Speaker 2: with the PI. It's a fifty six yarder and Riley
Speaker 2: Patterson to say that this kick was way short would
Speaker 2: be an understatement. It was short. I was that guy
Speaker 2: who got too excited too. I was like, oh, it's online.
Speaker 2: Did you see the shot of like an Atlanta bar.
Speaker 2: There's a bar in Atlanta where they have people going ballistic.
Speaker 2: They're taking pictures of each other. They're all going crazy.
Speaker 1: So also one of those situations like new Ish kicker
Speaker 1: right his second game right for them?
Speaker 2: Did they not really know what kind of leg he has?
Speaker 2: You know? So for Rahie Morris, Jack's up the end
Speaker 2: of the first half. Jack's up the end of the
Speaker 2: second half. He's jacked up halves before. I don't care
Speaker 2: what you think of Zach Taylor or Sean payn or
Speaker 2: whoever that's your Dumbo of the week on the Megan Okay.
Speaker 1: Well I'm I'm almost have a I have a bigger
Speaker 1: problem with the not going for two than even the
Speaker 1: timeouts afterward, because it shouldn't even mend the.
Speaker 2: Situation, both Sean Payton and rohe Morris.
Speaker 1: Both of them, but more Raheem Morris because of what
Speaker 1: the tie breaker situations are. And if you ended up
Speaker 1: tying this game for whatever reason, you did nothing to
Speaker 1: improve your situation in the pit. Clinches with a tie
Speaker 1: and the Rams move on to the Rams.
Speaker 2: Move on a different thing, but Atlanta and the eat.
Speaker 2: It doesn't improve them at all. So you had to
Speaker 2: win the game. By the way, you know what happens
Speaker 2: over time. Washington wins the toss and I don't know
Speaker 2: if you know this about Jayden Daniels, but you can't
Speaker 2: get him off a field. It's wonderful Washington starts with
Speaker 2: a false start, just for good old time sake. Washington
Speaker 2: ended up with. Washington ended up with sixteen penalties for
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty seven no thirteen penalties for one
Speaker 2: hundred and eight yards. Wow. After the fall start, Jayden
Speaker 2: for seven, to Ertz for ten, Jayden for seven, Robinson
Speaker 2: for one, Jayden for sixteen, to Ertz for ford, to
Speaker 2: Ririgez for twelve, to Robinson for four, Jayden for six,
Speaker 2: to the eight, Jayden for no gain, Jayden for six,
Speaker 2: third and goal at the two with two forty five
Speaker 2: left in overtime to Ertz for two touchdown. Want to
Speaker 2: catch Washington wins and Washington is going to the playoffs.
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to act. Thirty to twenty four,
Speaker 2: Washington's in, Seattle's eliminated. The Rams are in as they
Speaker 2: win the NFC West by virtue of the Washington win.
Speaker 2: That's why Seattle was eliminated as well there as the
Speaker 2: Rams clinched that division, and with Atlanta's loss, now they
Speaker 2: are on the outside looking in. Tampa Bay controls the
Speaker 2: NFC South. If Tampa wins, they're in Atlantic can only
Speaker 2: get in if Tampa loses and Atlanta wins. That is it. Wow,
Speaker 2: what a football game penis by the way, and defeat
Speaker 2: nineteen of thirty five for two twenty three Lon seven
Speaker 2: for one oh six Bijon seventeen for ninety and two touchdowns.
Speaker 2: By the way, we get tweets at beat the book.
Speaker 2: I should probably point this out from somebody, because this
Speaker 2: is a great one. They said that's the worst. Listen
Speaker 2: to this. Bruce Dobig and Bad beat Supreme Bjon Robinson
Speaker 2: eighty four and a half yards rushing. He gets to
Speaker 2: ninety yards late in the fourth quarter, then genius center
Speaker 2: snaps it over his head in the wildcat nineteen yard lost.
Speaker 2: The undercovers hate my football life. That's awful. By the way,
Speaker 2: that was the uh you seemed really bent up of it.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, that's awful.
Speaker 1: I was seeing our stats on the screen, so I
Speaker 1: got to don't check it out.
Speaker 2: The uh.
Speaker 1: Okay, a couple things on that.
Speaker 2: Play real quick. Yeah, I think I'm gonna defend Beijon
Speaker 2: big time here.
Speaker 1: That was just an awful snap like, I don't know
Speaker 1: who like awful, We can't play the whole game. Oh,
Speaker 1: if you had a quarterback there, it would have been fine,
Speaker 1: because I don't believe that it would have been ugly regardless,
Speaker 1: And yeah, I know they brought it up on the broadcast. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's a fair point that he's left handed, he could
Speaker 1: have thrown the ball away. Are we really expecting running
Speaker 1: backs in that situation to be that heady to make
Speaker 1: a play like that? No, I think I do.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I agree with you. I don't
Speaker 2: think it would be fair. And yet Michael Pennock's heroics
Speaker 2: gets them in the end zone. Nonetheless, But but but
Speaker 2: they botched it. They bought there's no other the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 2: If you were an Atlanta Falcons ticket holder like my
Speaker 2: man Caylee Binlin right here, or if you're an Atlanta
Speaker 2: Falcons fan, you should it should be on your racket
Speaker 2: heading in to next week because you shouldn't have settled
Speaker 2: for three in the first half, and you saw what
Speaker 2: happened in the second of it. It's just incredible that
Speaker 2: how can you be a pro coach and be so
Speaker 2: myopic into your ex's and o's that this time management
Speaker 2: thing escapes you. We talk about it all the time,
Speaker 2: but it's not getting better. It's getting worse. And Todd
Speaker 2: Wishnev on the Megapod says it very simply because people
Speaker 2: are because every once in a while someone comes, oh, oh, really,
Speaker 2: you think you're that much smarter than those guys are. No,
Speaker 2: when it comes to x's and o's, they're not, even
Speaker 2: though wish Nev says, if you give them a year
Speaker 2: and a half, he'll be just as good as that.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying they are are so into their film.
Speaker 1: They don't watch as much football as we do. We
Speaker 1: watch a bajillion football games. They don't, and so we
Speaker 1: get to see how you're supposed to be get It
Speaker 1: gets beaten into you over the time.
Speaker 2: Right, you understand how to how to manage the clock.
Speaker 2: These guys don't. Anyway, what am I supposed to hear?
Speaker 2: Make a guess. I'll make a guess. Falcons, we got
Speaker 2: how the show goes Carolina Atlanta? Oh, well, Atlanta's got
Speaker 2: to win and they're playing at the same time as
Speaker 2: the Buck. So Atlanta minus eight and a half, it's
Speaker 2: got to be more than seven. It's gonna be the
Speaker 2: exact same spread as what was last week Carolina at
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I think it's interesting you just said that
Speaker 1: it's seven and a half so close to it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't don't don't you view don't you view
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay as a better football team than Atlanta, Like
Speaker 1: this could only be Carolina or nothing for me not betting.
Speaker 1: But that's what I said last week against Carolina at
Speaker 1: Tampa this pat yesterday.
Speaker 2: So I mean, yeah, I'll say the same thing, but
Speaker 2: I'm not betting it again. Yeah, yess you're right.
Speaker 1: Carolina did get destroyed and game.
Speaker 2: Did I mention that Washington since Gibbs one point zero
Speaker 2: has only been to the playoffs. Let me count them
Speaker 2: once during nor of Turner, twice during Gibbs two point zero,
Speaker 2: then twenty twelve, RG three, twenty fifteen, Kirk Cousins, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty Highnikey to the pylon. So literally, when Joe Gibbs
Speaker 2: is not the coach, They've only been to the playoffs
Speaker 2: four teams since the early nineties. Lord, I love seeing
Speaker 2: this at a real fans.
Speaker 1: Wait to stick with the team, Washington fans, you finally
Speaker 1: got back there.
Speaker 2: Man, By the way, if they're gonna so Washington, we'll
Speaker 2: get to Washington's game. If they go to La to
Speaker 2: play the Rams, I might have to go. Oh if
Speaker 2: they mess it up and it's Philadelphia, you can forget
Speaker 2: about it. More games to pick the lines looking for value.
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Speaker 2: looks very pale for having spent a week in Florida.
Speaker 1: Oh, it was one of those. It was one of
Speaker 1: those classic Florida weeks. Plenty of time at the pool.
Speaker 1: When I first got there, it was great weather, and
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Speaker 2: Jason AHG eleven. The gang is back together. Welcome back, Kelly.
Speaker 2: Glad you've turned over a new leaf and are no
Speaker 2: longer a hurricane chaser. Joe C. Seven Because of the
Speaker 2: Chase Brown injury, I lost my fantasy final. Guy got
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Speaker 2: were texting back and forth yesterday. Todd Wright, who rules
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Speaker 2: ahead of curve. You know what he said. I think
Speaker 2: it's a great thing. He started last year moving his
Speaker 2: Fantasy championship up a week. Yeah, there are too many
Speaker 2: opt outs, too many people sitting in Week seventeen of
Speaker 2: the NFL. So people play an entire fantasy season and
Speaker 2: they get to week seventeen. Like, No, my guys are
Speaker 2: in that kind of thing. Jason Ice, cold Gambler, you
Speaker 2: could you should consider giving Kelly more vacation time. His
Speaker 2: energy is next level today, LFG. I didn't really think
Speaker 2: it was that different. Take.
Speaker 1: I got a lot of positive and negative tweets in
Speaker 1: my timeline, Oh.
Speaker 2: Is that right? People are tired of.
Speaker 1: Or I got one that was basically, shut up, shut up,
Speaker 1: you're ruining the show.
Speaker 2: At Logic Sports said that Fasick said bad things about
Speaker 2: Washington last week. He says Washington can't play a lick.
Speaker 2: He said Feesick did the week before last. I guess so,
Speaker 2: he said, next time you have Fezigon, remind him. Last
Speaker 2: week he said the Commanders can't play a lick. Verbatim
Speaker 2: on the air, Al I didn't know physics said that.
Speaker 2: Jim James sutt Oh, he was waiting for the Raheem
Speaker 2: Morris roast. I hope you hope you enjoyed it. Raj
Speaker 2: Body talking to Matt Brown, he says, you were awesome
Speaker 2: dude to Matt Brown on the Megapod and he said, Todd,
Speaker 2: please be genuinely nice to your co host this week.
Speaker 2: We'refrained from seeing things like I'm not going to talk
Speaker 2: about Will's pick because he's so far behind it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Me and Todd Megapod showdown this coming week. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to three peat with an asterisk because I had the
Speaker 2: I had the you know game where Deamar Hamlin got hurt.
Speaker 2: The whole thing. James Fraction, Hey, Gil, congrats on the
Speaker 2: Washington When I had them on the money line and
Speaker 2: minus three last night, and when they won the coin
Speaker 2: toss to start over time, I knew that Daniels would
Speaker 2: not let the Falcons touch the ball again. What a
Speaker 2: competitive advantage to have a quarterback like that. Last thing,
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, he is not special. He is not special.
Speaker 4: There's nothing special about him.
Speaker 1: Avalov dog thing here, Well dog, well we brought that,
Speaker 1: Yes we did.
Speaker 2: We brought it back last week. The Jaden Daniels thing
Speaker 2: is amazing. And remember there was that whole swath at
Speaker 2: the beginning of the game we're getting of the season
Speaker 2: where Washington never punted. Remember it was Caleb who said
Speaker 2: that in the off season. Oh, we're not gonna pun No,
Speaker 2: it's Jaden. You can't get him off the field when
Speaker 2: it matters. Joe c Adds. First thing I did after
Speaker 2: Washington one was checked the line for the Niners Lions game.
Speaker 2: Talking about Monday Night football. Tonight line was still Detroit
Speaker 2: minus three and a half. They have nothing to play for?
Speaker 2: Does Campbell play every one all game? Well, we were
Speaker 2: gonna get to this, might as well get to it now.
Speaker 2: I think Dan Campbell is off his rocker insane if
Speaker 2: he plays players tonight. You know what, Dan Campbell is
Speaker 2: off his rocker insane. So I think he's playing people,
Speaker 2: Like what is he doing if he plays these folks? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know that. I do is I don't play.
Speaker 2: You cannot risk injury. You already have a ton of injuries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean nothing matters until next week.
Speaker 2: That it doesn't matter if Jared Goff gets hurt. Just
Speaker 2: up to pick Jared Goff randomly. You never live this
Speaker 2: down stop it with playing players. And yet he's gonna
Speaker 2: play him. Maybe he splits the difference, maybe he plays
Speaker 2: him for a half. I still don't do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I wouldn't either the other side of this, though,
Speaker 1: I think I heard Jeff Schwartz say it end of
Speaker 1: last week, and I completely agree. Like there's the there's
Speaker 1: the young maybe up and coming scrappy teams at this
Speaker 1: time of year that watch outs. You know there might
Speaker 1: be out there to spoil some teams fates. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's the forty nine ers at all. Like that.
Speaker 1: It has been such a terrible, terrible season that like
Speaker 1: I think it's looking forward to vacation time right now.
Speaker 2: Detroit and Minnesota for not only the NFC North title,
Speaker 2: but the number one seed throughout the NFC playoffs, the
Speaker 2: only team that gets a buy. By the way, the
Speaker 2: most important thing you can have in a postseason is
Speaker 2: the bye, because you don't play a game that everybody
Speaker 2: else has to. No matter how you break down teams
Speaker 2: or handicapped teams, not playing a game is still the
Speaker 2: single biggest advantage of any of this. And it is amazing, Kelly,
Speaker 2: that we're gonna have two fourteen and two teams. We're
Speaker 2: gonna have a fourteen and three team, assuming there's no tie,
Speaker 2: and then it would be fourteen two and one. But
Speaker 2: we're gonna have a fourteen and three team that ends
Speaker 2: up as a wild card. It's unbelievable, Jesse Welch, Kelly
Speaker 2: Bidley back in the hiszy, it's all ye had to say. Guys. Also,
Speaker 2: and this might be being ignorant, but Tom Brady, in
Speaker 2: addition to pronouncing sacks, strangely doesn't call the twenty yard
Speaker 2: space adjacent to the end zone the red zone. He
Speaker 2: says he's calling it the red area, or something like that.
Speaker 2: Come on, man, don't be too cool for school. I
Speaker 2: didn't notice that about it, Brady.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that's what that is. Definitely more
Speaker 1: of a player coach thing. Like I'd actually like to
Speaker 1: pull players and coaches because I hear that far more often.
Speaker 2: The red area the rest of us where we just
Speaker 2: always go red zone. Come it's the red zone, Scott
Speaker 2: New York Miss sixteen. Bijon was credited in quotes with
Speaker 2: a fumble, no rushing yardage lost. Bijon finished with ninety yards,
Speaker 2: So Bruce Dobig and maybe somebody's uh screwing you.
Speaker 1: Mary Christmas brost Big And if you didn't check your account,
Speaker 1: wake up this morning and check it because that should
Speaker 1: be there.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Scott, New York Miss sixty And in New
Speaker 2: York Miss sixteen ads he says, Everflus is sending Raheem
Speaker 2: Morris and Sean Payton fruit baskets. No, Matt Everflus is
Speaker 2: still the guy on the trophy. He still is engraved
Speaker 2: in the trophy. They're all winning the Everfluce Dumbo of
Speaker 2: the Week Award and then Torch d last one for
Speaker 2: this usset, he says, I would like to thank the comparable. Oh,
Speaker 2: the comparable as opposed to the incomparable Terry Mcourt. He says,
Speaker 2: I would like to thank the comparable oh Lemite is
Speaker 2: a chaus for cashing my eighteen to one first touchdown
Speaker 2: bet last night. I would also like to thank hard
Speaker 2: Rock for swiftly limiting my bets to ten dollars max
Speaker 2: after I hit. It. So dumb these sports, Yeah, like
Speaker 2: that's how you profile players. Oh he hit at eighteen
Speaker 2: to one. He must be the sharpest guy in the world.
Speaker 2: Let's limit him to ten bucks. Stop it? All right?
Speaker 2: What's next? Time? You got a story for you? Off
Speaker 2: the ear? Oh? Good, Commanders and cowboys, All right, commanders, commanders.
Speaker 2: We talked about Jaden twenty four thirty six for two
Speaker 2: to twenty seven, three touchdowns, one pick, sixteen carries for
Speaker 2: one twenty seven. Dallas loses the Philly. We don't really
Speaker 2: need to talk about that much other than that started
Speaker 2: with a pick six that rushed through to CJ. Gardner
Speaker 2: Johnson and went down from there. But Kenny Pickett, who
Speaker 2: was in for Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts still unable to
Speaker 2: go because of the concussion he got hurt at some
Speaker 2: point when Kenny Pickett did, and then Tanner McKee out
Speaker 2: of Stanford had to come in. He was three of four,
Speaker 2: including two touchdown passes, one of which was a perfect
Speaker 2: back shoulder to AJ Brown. So Philly was down to
Speaker 2: their third string quarterback. Anyway, they end up winning forty
Speaker 2: one to seven.
Speaker 1: You've got the AJ Brown thrown to the crowd.
Speaker 2: Yes, and A. J. Brown, excited about his touchdown, throws
Speaker 2: it in the crowd and then he is quietly informed afterwards, Hey,
Speaker 2: you know, you just threw Tanner McKee's first touchdown pass
Speaker 2: out in the stands, and so he felt so bad
Speaker 2: and they got it back.
Speaker 1: He hadn't done everything to get there, have been furious.
Speaker 1: But what are you supposed to say? You're Tanner McKee, Like,
Speaker 1: when are you gonna go up to A. J. Brown
Speaker 1: and like just lose it on him?
Speaker 2: Hey, HEYJ Yeah, Hey J, that was my first touchdown pass.
Speaker 2: That's my Tanner McKee. Everybody, I have no idea if
Speaker 2: he sounds like that, all right, So this is a
Speaker 2: tough line to make Washington Dallas right greatest rivalry in sports.
Speaker 2: If it's nineteen eighty two, Dallas obviously Donezo Washington is
Speaker 2: in but there is a there is a slight seating
Speaker 2: matter where right now you are playing the Rams. You're
Speaker 2: the sixth, the Rams are the three third best division winner.
Speaker 2: You could end up playing Tampa if you're the six
Speaker 2: seat of Tampa one and the Rams lost, But let's
Speaker 2: just say it's the Rams. If you lose this game
Speaker 2: and Green Bay wins, you fall to the seven and
Speaker 2: you'll have to play at Philly. The question becomes, does
Speaker 2: it do seeding matter enough to Washington? Does it matter
Speaker 2: more for you to play at Los Angeles than to
Speaker 2: play at Philly than it does in the calculus of
Speaker 2: all of it to make sure your players don't get hurt.
Speaker 2: That's the decision dan quinn and and Washington commanders have
Speaker 2: to make, and not an easy one. Not an easy one.
Speaker 2: I just put Washington minus three because I don't know
Speaker 2: how to parse that out.
Speaker 1: Ding Washington minus three, right, Okay, yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I'd approach that as
Speaker 1: anybody like dealing with an injury. I know, I know
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need for the playoffs. I'd probably be sitting
Speaker 1: resting or something like that. But otherwise, the seating matters
Speaker 1: enough for me to try to want to go out there.
Speaker 2: And we tend to as sports betters, we tend to
Speaker 2: overrate seating problems, I think generally speaking, but I do
Speaker 2: think in this situation, especially with Pittsburgh, right Pittsburgh is like, oh,
Speaker 2: we do want to go to Houston, So we do
Speaker 2: want to That's actually huge. This one. I don't know.
Speaker 2: And as good as Philly is, Washington's familiar with them.
Speaker 2: So does it matter more to you to make sure
Speaker 2: your players don't get hurt? I don't know how they're
Speaker 2: gonna play it. We'll find out this week. More lines
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Speaker 2: January is still going on. Yeah, still going on, by
Speaker 2: the way, Colin Murphy adds. He says the red areas
Speaker 2: is a Belichick Patriots thing. Gronk, Edelman and Nikovich all
Speaker 2: refer to the red zone as the red area on
Speaker 2: their podcast. I'm a Pats fan and kind of annoys
Speaker 2: me too. Lombardi also used to call it the red
Speaker 2: area on v SIN. Of course he did.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot more like players, coaches, football
Speaker 1: people that call it that than we think.
Speaker 2: Maybe Brian Schaeffer, Gil, that Tanner McKee voice. You nailed it.
Speaker 2: Have no idea? Uh and then uh, let's see. Jason
Speaker 2: ah lev Me says, that's right. Kelly got to have
Speaker 2: a week off of only being able to bet using
Speaker 2: hard rock. That was fun, wasn't it. He said, Well,
Speaker 2: I sell haven't gotten that story from him and Bruce
Speaker 2: Dobing and says thanks for the Bejon update when I
Speaker 2: cried myself to sleep. The NFL stats type still showed
Speaker 2: it as a loss. Kelly will be pleased. There you go. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's get to some guesses. What do we got? All right?
Speaker 1: We got Bears at Packers.
Speaker 2: So these are still mourning right early window. Yes, so
Speaker 2: the Bears, we know, loss to the Seahawks. Our buddy
Speaker 2: Jake Bensequin knocked out of survivors us who invested in
Speaker 2: as well. What a slow death it was in week
Speaker 2: seventeen A. He only had the Steelers and Bears available
Speaker 2: to him. I think he went with the right team.
Speaker 2: We had a thousand chances to win it and the
Speaker 2: Bears couldn't do it. And Jake chimes and he says,
Speaker 2: I'll hate the Bears for life. He's right, he will.
Speaker 2: He made out okay with hedges though, held to one
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy nine total yards versus Seattle, and there's
Speaker 2: six to three loss. Then there's Green Bay. This game
Speaker 2: yesterday between the Packers and the Vikings, on paper, looked
Speaker 2: like it was going to be, you know, along with
Speaker 2: Washington and Atlanta, the most impactful game of the week,
Speaker 2: maybe even more so. For goodness sake, it didn't really
Speaker 2: turn out that way. Minnesota led this thirteen to three
Speaker 2: at the half. Then they take the opening drive of
Speaker 2: the second half. Nine plays seventy five yards Darnold to
Speaker 2: Addison from eighteen twenty to three Vikings nine forty four
Speaker 2: left in the third quarter, fast forward to it being
Speaker 2: twenty to ten, and then Minnesota comes right back. Eight
Speaker 2: play seventy yards Darnald to Acres from nine out twenty
Speaker 2: seven to ten. Minnesota. Then they had a chance to
Speaker 2: go up thirty to ten. Riikerjoint to forty three yard
Speaker 2: field goal try, and then all of a sudden, green
Speaker 2: Bay woke up. Green Bay woke up late sixty seven
Speaker 2: yards of Manuel Wilson in from five to two point try,
Speaker 2: good Love to Dobbs twenty seven eighteen. Minnesota was six
Speaker 2: twelve left, Minnesota three and out. Green Bay nine play
Speaker 2: sixty two yards Loved to Malie Keith from three out
Speaker 2: twenty seven to twenty five. Minnesota with two eighteen left,
Speaker 2: then green Bay with three timeouts at a two minute warning,
Speaker 2: Minnesota first played Darnald to Ham for thirteen. There goes
Speaker 2: the two minute warning, and then it came down to
Speaker 2: third and two at the green Bay forty nine Darnald
Speaker 2: to Acres for six a pass that he underthrew on
Speaker 2: a lob and Acres still made the catch, and that's it.
Speaker 2: Minnesota wins the game twenty seven to twenty five, which
Speaker 2: sets up the showdown against Detroit next week for again
Speaker 2: the NFC North title and the number one seed in
Speaker 2: the NFC. Did you ever think Green Bay was actually
Speaker 2: gonna come back and win this? I did not.
Speaker 1: I never got the field sa oh because like we
Speaker 1: say often, this is a this could be a deceiving
Speaker 1: final score right for me and what the game looked like.
Speaker 1: But man, it happened so fast, so quick. Late in
Speaker 1: the game, You're like, Okay, they have a chance, absolutely
Speaker 1: had a chance.
Speaker 2: That Acres doesn't catch that ball, they get the ball
Speaker 2: on their racket with the chance for a field goal.
Speaker 2: Oh minute.
Speaker 1: I also did the thing on that Acres play where
Speaker 1: I was like, who's that. They're like, oh, Cammy Acres.
Speaker 1: I forgot about.
Speaker 2: Him being there. I was like, what a play? I
Speaker 2: forgot Acres edit up there, green Bay. So now here's
Speaker 2: the thing. This is Chicago green Bay. Green Bay right
Speaker 2: now is locked into it, not locked into but right
Speaker 2: now they're slotted in the seventh position, the seven position
Speaker 2: in the NFC Washington is six. As we talked about
Speaker 2: last segment, Washington loses, green Bay wins. They flip positions.
Speaker 2: Washington would go to Philly, green Bay would go to
Speaker 2: either of the Rams or the Bucks. Right now, it
Speaker 2: looks like the Rams. Chris Filica, by the way, the
Speaker 2: bear texting live texting the show. He had an interesting comment.
Speaker 2: I'm looking for clarification what he means here. He goes
Speaker 2: talking about what I was talking about last segment. How
Speaker 2: I was saying, how do the Skins play this right?
Speaker 2: Does the seating and where they go matter more to
Speaker 2: the Skins than not risking injury against the Cowboys in
Speaker 2: a meaningless game when it comes to make or miss
Speaker 2: the playoffs, because it doesn't matter they're in, it's just
Speaker 2: about who they end up playing. That's a tough thing
Speaker 2: for dan Quinn to have to figure out. Chris FeliCa says,
Speaker 2: it's tough. It's a tough call for the Skins. I
Speaker 2: think the best way to answer it is it's more
Speaker 2: important for Green Bay, according to Felika, not to go
Speaker 2: to Philly than it is for the Skins to try
Speaker 2: and choose their seating like Green Bay at Philadelphia. He
Speaker 2: says it's much worse for them than at the Rams
Speaker 2: or the Buccaneer. So he thinks it's a bigger deal
Speaker 2: for the Packers. I'm not sure how I think it's.
Speaker 2: I think it's you know, right now, if Washington wins,
Speaker 2: green Bay is going to be the seventh seed and
Speaker 2: they're going to have to go to Philly, which is
Speaker 2: the rematch of that Brazil game which started the entire
Speaker 2: NFL season right yep, or the second game on the
Speaker 2: Friday night. So how does green Bay play this? Are
Speaker 2: they hoping for a Washington loss and winning this and
Speaker 2: so are they gonna, you know, try to win this?
Speaker 2: I would assume they would, or do they say to themselves, ah, whatever,
Speaker 2: we're going to Philly. Let's not hurt anybody. As far
Speaker 2: as guessing a line, therefore, air go, I said green
Speaker 2: Bay minus seven and a half, but I didn't want
Speaker 2: to make it more than that because I don't know
Speaker 2: what they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: There were green Bay nine at DraftKings right now, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of right in that area. And I think
Speaker 1: for me, i'd answer the same way as Washington. It
Speaker 1: would matter a little bit, but you got to be careful.
Speaker 1: I think if you've got some guys you're worried about
Speaker 1: injury wise, like Christian Watts, right, didn't play this last game. Okay,
Speaker 1: if we're worried about him, you're probably I'm probably holding
Speaker 1: them out another week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in.
Speaker 1: The playoffs, so don't go risk. You can't risk too much.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, yes, it would be nice.
Speaker 2: To move a spot up. Yeah. I think Chris is
Speaker 2: right too. It would matter more for green Bay just
Speaker 2: because of the unfamiliarity. And Washington plays Philly all the time.
Speaker 2: They're always tough games. It seems like green Bay a
Speaker 2: little bit more of a wild card. But I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe green Bay doesn't care. Maybe they're just like, now
Speaker 2: we're in, we're good. I don't want to risk Jordan
Speaker 2: Love getting hurt or anything. So these are tough. What's next?
Speaker 1: All right, Sunday, early winter? You know, still Texans at Titans.
Speaker 2: All right, Texans at Titans. We don't need to talk
Speaker 2: about anything here. Although the Titans lose to the Jaguars
Speaker 2: and therefore improve their draft position, as is because they're
Speaker 2: one of the three and thirteens, they're one of the
Speaker 2: four three and thirteens. And right now, if we're talking
Speaker 2: about draft positions, as they said nine teams in the
Speaker 2: NFL teams are with only are ether three and thirteen
Speaker 2: or four and twelve right now? How bad is that?
Speaker 2: So the again, the five and eleven Saints would have
Speaker 2: the tenth pick in the draft as it has stacks
Speaker 2: right now, New England has the first pick. They won't
Speaker 2: want a quarterback because they love their Drake May. Tennessee
Speaker 2: would have number two right now if things held, that's
Speaker 2: a big If it's Houston at Tennessee, Houston has nothing
Speaker 2: to play for. They're in the number four position. So
Speaker 2: therefore you say, okay, well, does you know is Houston
Speaker 2: going to arrest everybody? Or Kelly Binlin? Has Houston played
Speaker 2: so miserably here in the most recent past that they
Speaker 2: actually want to get their bearings back and so they
Speaker 2: actually do want to play good football here and play
Speaker 2: their players. So I didn't know what to do with that,
Speaker 2: so I said Houston minus three against By the way,
Speaker 2: and David Purdham from ESPN putting this out yesterday, the
Speaker 2: Tennessee Titans, in case you missed this, made history yesterday.
Speaker 2: They became the only team in the Super Bowl Era
Speaker 2: to fail to cover the spread in fourteen games during
Speaker 2: a regular season. The Titans are two and fourteen ats
Speaker 2: this year, the worst record against the spread of any
Speaker 2: team since nineteen seventy eight, when the league went to
Speaker 2: a sixteen game slate shout out to mac Nova repurposing
Speaker 2: that from I said Houston minus three because I think
Speaker 2: Houston still has some incentive. But maybe I'm wrong. I
Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe they said everybody Tennessee minus four? Why
Speaker 2: but why is Tennessee favor I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that they are thinking Houston's sitting every play.
Speaker 2: Tennessee right now has the first crack at whatever quarterback
Speaker 2: they want in the draft, because New England's not going
Speaker 2: to pay one. So Tennessee could take Shador, they could
Speaker 2: take cam Ward, they could take whoever they want because
Speaker 2: the Levis thing is done right, we agree, Maybe we don't.
Speaker 1: I think if they're that high up, yes they're considering quarterback.
Speaker 2: Gotta take a quarterback of your ten, but.
Speaker 1: It's probably more likely that they're gonna get If they're
Speaker 1: number two, they're probably getting the second because don't you
Speaker 1: think New English you get a king's ransom for that
Speaker 1: for that trade. You don't think you're trade trying to
Speaker 1: trade out of that first spot. Maybe they are, but
Speaker 1: then you get the second one. If you don't get Wards,
Speaker 1: you get Shador. If you don't get you get war, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I understand why the Texans might not be favored, even
Speaker 2: though I think they probably should get their bearing straight here,
Speaker 2: you know, and play some good football before the postseason.
Speaker 2: But why are the Titans favorite? Well?
Speaker 1: And for me for Week eighteen betting, so it always
Speaker 1: comes down to the first thing I look at is
Speaker 1: what are teams that have motivation that I think the
Speaker 1: line is gonna go way up on right and I
Speaker 1: can catch it early. And then it's starting to think
Speaker 1: this way right is there is? Are there games where
Speaker 1: we're just pricing this way without thinking about the other side.
Speaker 2: This is a total information gathering week. Listen to what
Speaker 2: the coaches are gonna do, because this is one of
Speaker 2: those where right now my instinct would be to take
Speaker 2: the Texans plus four, but I'm not gonna bet it yet.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna wait for some sign because it's a good call.
Speaker 2: Because I get it why you might not think the
Speaker 2: Textans are favorite, but Why on Earth would the Titans
Speaker 2: be because they shouldn't want to win. And it's not
Speaker 2: the players, it's the coaches who put the players out
Speaker 2: there coming back guessing lots.
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Speaker 2: Is that what I heard? Dude? We started out guessing
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Speaker 2: as if he won twenty five Super Bowls. It was
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Speaker 2: He's a little guy. Oh man.
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Speaker 2: It was so big. I'm like, wow, for a Sunboat championship.
Speaker 2: All right, Grayson ROSSI get gil. I believe this may
Speaker 2: answer your question on how Danny boy is approaching tonight's game.
Speaker 2: We talked about Dan Campbell, Grayson, That's what I meant earlier.
Speaker 2: Maybe I wasn't clear. Dan Campbell is has already stated right,
Speaker 2: he is not about resting his players. So that's why
Speaker 2: I said I go. It would be insane of Dan
Speaker 2: Campbell to play his players. But Dan Campbell's insane. He's
Speaker 2: playing them. That's the plan anyway, unless somehow he changes
Speaker 2: his mind from that press conference from last week, because
Speaker 2: it was asked specifically, how are you gonna play San
Speaker 2: Francisco game on Monday night? If it doesn't matter? And
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is next week,
Speaker 2: because next week determines if you're the number one seed
Speaker 2: where you get a week off. Remember that's the most
Speaker 2: important thing, getting a week off, or you're the number
Speaker 2: five seed. And by the way, number five seed in
Speaker 2: the AFC to go at Houston ain't the same as
Speaker 2: a number five seed in the NFC because you got
Speaker 2: to go to Tampa or the Rams Tampa most likely,
Speaker 2: each of which is a scary proposition at this point.
Speaker 1: Matt Matt texted me a good bet, Matt Brown, who
Speaker 1: I guess is listening to the Whole show today.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Matt, love you like I think it's a good bet.
Speaker 1: Looking at Jamiir Gibbs under rushing props tonight because because
Speaker 1: of the Montgomery injury, you would think you can't possibly
Speaker 1: let anything happen to Gibbs, but you have to trust
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell in that situation.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't get there on that. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm just saying, if one of these players
Speaker 2: gets hurt in the meetingless game, they deserve the coaches
Speaker 2: deserve all the guff they get. Lance Schaeffer, this is
Speaker 2: why I want Joe Burr to win this award. Ohway
Speaker 2: has a big ticket on Joe Burrow. He's got like
Speaker 2: seventy one bucks to win almost twelve thousand dollars at
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty five to one. He wants Joe
Speaker 2: Burrow to win MVP. Probably will get come back. Please
Speaker 2: lead the narrative, Gill Lovey Gill, Well, I'm leading the
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson narrative because you know, I think a guy
Speaker 2: who might end up with the greatest passer rating of
Speaker 2: all time probably should win MVP. But anyway, that's just me.
Speaker 2: Let's just agree on this. Can we all agree on this?
Speaker 2: Can we all get a Kumbaya moment? No matter how
Speaker 2: you feel about everything, there just aren't enough awards to
Speaker 2: go around this year.
Speaker 1: It's an incredible MVP race, there just aren't.
Speaker 2: You can make a case for Lamar. You can make
Speaker 2: a case for Josh Allen, who again, even I can
Speaker 2: see if you take Josh Allen off the Bills, what
Speaker 2: do they win two games? Three games? So literally he's
Speaker 2: probably the MVP. You can make a case for Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2: Remember how we were saying, oh, well, Cincinnati sucks, so
Speaker 2: we can't really include Joe Burrow. What if Cincinnati makes
Speaker 2: the playoffs? What if they make the playoffs? Saquon two
Speaker 2: thousand yards? Right, he's already got two thousand yards. He's
Speaker 2: one hundred and one shy of breaking Eric Dickerson's all
Speaker 2: time record. I know it's an extra game, it's an
Speaker 2: extra buy. It's not quite the same thing, but you
Speaker 2: get the idea. You could make a case for Saquon.
Speaker 2: What about Offensive Player of the Year? Then a depository
Speaker 2: for someone who doesn't win MVP. So you take the
Speaker 2: MVP off, who wins Offensive Player of the Year among
Speaker 2: those people? Sam Darnold he should be involved in that
Speaker 2: as well. Right, maybe he's an MVP. There's too many
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase should be an Offensive Player of the Year. Kennedy,
Speaker 2: he's about to win the triple crown in receiving receptions,
Speaker 2: receiving yards and touchdowns. By the way, when Cooper Cup
Speaker 2: did that, we all lost our minds. But Jamar Chase
Speaker 2: does it. You're like, we're going through all these awards tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow, We're gonna spend a lot of award time.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's just that I think we all can
Speaker 2: agree on that this is the year where there's just
Speaker 2: not enough.
Speaker 1: Award There's not and I don't I almost touched you
Speaker 1: this yesterday. The part I'm concerned about Burrow. I think
Speaker 1: he might end up stealing some of the Lamar Jackson votes. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's taking away Josh Allen votes. I
Speaker 1: think because they're gonna use the statistical argument that we're
Speaker 1: using with Lamar Jackson, and I think he might end.
Speaker 2: Up stealing away a few votes. Yeah, but Cincinnati's probably
Speaker 2: not gonna make the playoffs and he's not gonna steal anything.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. I think. That's OK. Yeah, our tickets.
Speaker 2: Hope you're right. And finally, Trip Tepper, he says twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four NFL Season Podium of Ignorance gold Eberflus Agree, Silver,
Speaker 2: Raheem Morris agree. Bronze Zach Taylor. Okay, I'll go with that.
Speaker 2: He says, honorable mentioned Bowls for that Kansas City Monday
Speaker 2: Night debacle, which I have to tell you I remember
Speaker 2: talking about it, but don't remember the details of it
Speaker 2: this point. All right, we got many more games, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we do, all right. Still early window Jags at Colts,
Speaker 2: Jags at Colts. Jags win, so their play, their you know,
Speaker 2: draft position gets worse. Yesterday, Jags are feisty. They beat
Speaker 2: the Titans and then the Colts. Good god, they eliminated
Speaker 2: themselves by losing to the Giants. The Giants, who were
Speaker 2: going to have the number one pick now are slotted
Speaker 2: in the number four position as they beat the Colts
Speaker 2: forty five to thirty three in a game where Zaiir
Speaker 2: Franklin was losing his mind on his defensive teammates because
Speaker 2: they could not stop the Giants. Good and hold back
Speaker 2: to lot stop them. You can't stop Drew Lock. You
Speaker 2: can only hope to contain them, right, man. They can't
Speaker 2: do anything right.
Speaker 1: Can't even lose right, You can't even lose right byase
Speaker 1: New York teams.
Speaker 3: Boy.
Speaker 2: By the way, Malik Neighbors seven for one seventy one
Speaker 2: two touchdowns. You got that right, New York Giants, just
Speaker 2: like the Raiders got the brock Bowers thing right. I
Speaker 2: don't know. Indianapolis minus three in a meaningless game. I
Speaker 2: have no idea what to make this.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think i'd probably said it that Colts five five?
Speaker 2: Oh give me Jaguars. It's my favorite pick of it
Speaker 2: so far.
Speaker 1: I mean, is it only five because we think the
Speaker 1: Jags want to lose.
Speaker 2: The Jaguars seem to not care about losing the drapt position,
Speaker 2: So I think the Jaguars play this above board, whereas
Speaker 2: I think the Colts might just be completely deflated. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but say that's one of those when we get.
Speaker 1: To week eighteen, though, you're like, I'm really gonna go
Speaker 1: really gonna bet money on the Jackars?
Speaker 2: Like it the best? But am I really gonna go
Speaker 2: bet it? I haven't bet anything. Yeah, just full disclosure.
Speaker 2: I got two bets. We haven't gotten there yet, all right,
Speaker 2: Uh still early window. Bill's at Patriots. Okay, Bill locked
Speaker 2: into the number two seed, Bills have nothing to play.
Speaker 2: Do the Bills play Josh Allen because they want him
Speaker 2: to have a final data point for his resume or
Speaker 2: do the Bills say we're not gonna risk anything because
Speaker 2: we're the number two seed. Only the playoffs matter. We're
Speaker 2: gonna rest, you know, for the home game against let's
Speaker 2: say the Broncos wherever in the two seven game, and
Speaker 2: then Lamar Jackson, by the way, gets a final data point.
Speaker 2: The most recentcy thing for voters, that kind of thing
Speaker 2: at New England. New England, who right now has the
Speaker 2: number one pick in the draft, but they have their quarterback,
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure New England is going to lay down.
Speaker 2: I don't think New England cares that much about the
Speaker 2: number one pick. I could be wrong, but because they
Speaker 2: have their quarterback, I think they're like for one or three,
Speaker 2: what does it really I don't know, So I said,
Speaker 2: because of all that, I'm sure this is what I'm
Speaker 2: way wrong. I said New England minus three because I
Speaker 2: think Buffalo sits everybody. Yeah, wrong team favored Bills three.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think you're like, I think you just broke it
Speaker 1: down perfectly though, because there are questions on both sides.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how you make a line there.
Speaker 2: You just don't What are the people find out which
Speaker 2: we'll find out what Sean McDermott wants to do. Also, yep, next, Okay,
Speaker 2: Giants and Eagles. Giants again fall from the number one
Speaker 2: pick in the draft to the number four picking the
Speaker 2: draft after they beat the Colts Philadelphia. Okay, let's talk
Speaker 2: about the Saquon thing for a second. Okay, Saquon, every
Speaker 2: one of these games has some angle. Saquon thirty one
Speaker 2: for one sixty seven. Yesterday in the Eagles win, which
Speaker 2: again featured both Kenny Pickett and then Tanner McKee, aj,
Speaker 2: could you give my ball back please? Saquon gets over
Speaker 2: two thousand yards rushing. He's the ninth player ever to
Speaker 2: get over two thousand yards. He is one hundred behind
Speaker 2: Eric Dickerson for the most yards rushing yards in a season. However,
Speaker 2: eric Dickerson did it in sixteen games. Saquon would do
Speaker 2: it in seventeen games. Plus have two buys less carries though, right, like,
Speaker 2: excuse me, plus have one boy, but you still have
Speaker 2: an extra game and rest. And Eric Dickerson sixteen games straight.
Speaker 2: And Eric Dickerson was amazing for those of us at
Speaker 2: a certain age. So the question becomes, does Saquon play
Speaker 2: to try to break that record. My instinct is to
Speaker 2: say no, because remember when we have that instance where
Speaker 2: Saquon could have broken the was it the single game
Speaker 2: record or had a shot and Sirianni went to the
Speaker 2: sideline or some record and Sirianni went to the sideline,
Speaker 2: was like, hey, Saquon, do you want to try to
Speaker 2: break the record? Seque's like no, I'm good.
Speaker 1: So okay. So I think I'd be okay with whatever
Speaker 1: they did. I understand both sides of it. I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily because even if you break the record, you didn't
Speaker 1: really break the record. It's still gonna have an aster.
Speaker 2: So here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Here's the biggest thing, though, didn't they pull him yesterday?
Speaker 1: So if they pulled him yesterday in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: isn't that indication to you that they're not gonna if
Speaker 1: it was all about the record, right, If it's all
Speaker 1: about the record, why wouldn't you just leave?
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. I think Philly's second tier guys
Speaker 2: could probably be the Giants anyway. So I said Philly
Speaker 2: minus four, Yeah, Eagles minus three and a half. Oh wow,
Speaker 2: there you go, there you go?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, one more clar No said buccanteers.
Speaker 2: All right, says a Buccaneers. Buccaneers win, they win the AFC,
Speaker 2: excuse me, the NFC South, and they will get depending
Speaker 2: on what the Rams do. Either the three or four
Speaker 2: seed New Orleans is dreadful. Tampa Bay minus.
Speaker 1: Fourteen, ding ding ding fourteen on the dot.
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Speaker 2: at some point. I want that. I love it. Kelly
Speaker 2: and I were just having this conversation off air, and
Speaker 2: Kelly's a wonderful human being.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And he said, and you had texted me when you're
Speaker 2: in Florida and you were thinking because for God's sakes, drews.
Speaker 2: Drew had two of his fish, two of the greats.
Speaker 2: Remember he had Rafa, Joker and Federer. Where his three fish,
Speaker 2: and two of them not Rafa, the other two basically
Speaker 2: committed suicide when he went on making Yes, he came
Speaker 2: home and they were had jumped out of the take.
Speaker 2: And so, Kelly is such a nice guy. You were
Speaker 2: in Florida, you were at a pet store and you
Speaker 2: were you were texting me about like, you know, chipping
Speaker 2: new fish to Drew's president. I'm a nice guy, and
Speaker 2: I just off of air, I said to Kelly, I said,
Speaker 2: I said, are fish really the type of thing you
Speaker 2: want to gift to somebody? And you said said, nope,
Speaker 2: you're right.
Speaker 1: You probably want to pick it out yourself because you're
Speaker 1: gonna look at it every day. And then that's why
Speaker 1: you're the head haunch around here.
Speaker 2: Get the bus kind of logic, the uh, because that's
Speaker 2: what it is, right, He'll buy his old because fish
Speaker 2: or something you wanted, like he catches your eye, like
Speaker 2: I want that fish, and then the whole time he'd
Speaker 2: be like, and there's Gill and Kelly's fish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that partially excites me too. If he had
Speaker 1: to like explain, like if he had like three great
Speaker 1: looking fish one horrible looking fish and someone wanted, like
Speaker 1: someone was over at his place and he had to
Speaker 1: explain every fish to them.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh yeah, and then there's one that kill Kelly. Kelly,
Speaker 2: let me explain to you. Hear those guys, Norman Vegas
Speaker 2: we get tweets. Today's show is on. Uh oh, the
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Speaker 2: a feature on the Commodore's Marching Band. Uh not lying
Speaker 2: on Richie's Commodore's just what we call the Commanders. Thought
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Speaker 2: though marching band in the National Football League. Manny Davison
Speaker 2: unl V Hockey, he said, have their biggest winning program
Speaker 2: history this weekend, beating defending D one champion number five
Speaker 2: Denver and UNLV is a club team.
Speaker 1: Hey, that is pretty cool, Darnelle and I caught that
Speaker 1: before the show. They were running highlights on the local news.
Speaker 2: I like a random tweet club. Oh you know who
Speaker 2: tweeted us? Oh, this is the best tweet of the day.
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Speaker 2: Oh Ma'm Pat dying New York Giants fan.
Speaker 1: He said, very happy you tweeted thanks to us, because
Speaker 1: I don't know if we would have seen those otherwise.
Speaker 2: That mean Pat's last name is sulels It Pat Seol
Speaker 2: maybe maybe Joe C seventy one four. As far as
Speaker 2: the rushing record, Dickerson got it in sixteen games over OJ,
Speaker 2: who did it in fourteen times change. I wouldn't put
Speaker 2: an asterisk on Saque if he breaks it, well, there
Speaker 2: won't be an asterisk in reality, not a literal asterisk.
Speaker 2: I'm just talking about people's minds, you know, as they
Speaker 2: do for Dickerson, right the old the old school guys,
Speaker 2: they say, oh, well, O j did it in fourteen.
Speaker 2: OJ had two thousand and three before Dickerson went over
Speaker 2: twenty one hundred two extra games. Dell mind the Gap
Speaker 2: Radio is a realistic Dolphins fan. Pick your poison, get
Speaker 2: blownut out of Buffalo January twelfth, or get the fourteenth
Speaker 2: pick in the draft. I'll choose the latter. Chop Robinson
Speaker 2: defensive Rookie of the Year, he says, stringfellow Hawk, our buddy,
Speaker 2: He says, I can't believe the Giants won that game.
Speaker 2: They don't want to be great. I hate them laying
Speaker 2: all the points with the Eagles and Barkley rushing props.
Speaker 2: Hope he rubs their noses in it. New York Mess sixteens.
Speaker 2: Saquon didn't want the personal record against the Giants, but
Speaker 2: is going to go after a season record in meaningless
Speaker 2: game against the same Giants. I think they have bigger
Speaker 2: fish to fry, and Saquon wants the other guys to
Speaker 2: eat too, And I have a Saquon MVP bit. I'm
Speaker 2: with you, as I said earlier, Kevin Ryan Gil tell
Speaker 2: dan Quinn to put his hat on right just to
Speaker 2: Matt Patricia for me, I'm so with you, man, but
Speaker 2: I sound like I'm a thousand years old when I
Speaker 2: say that, and Steve pointing out Dickerson surpassing Simpson who
Speaker 2: had the record in fourteen games, and then finally Brian
Speaker 2: am I'm still standing by my belief that Drew's fish
Speaker 2: joker and Federer jumped out of the tank just like
Speaker 2: something else. Okay, never mind, go ahead. I should never
Speaker 2: ron Burgundy through the tweets.
Speaker 1: After games, chiefs at Broncos, chiefs of Broncos, chiefs nothing
Speaker 1: to play for.
Speaker 2: They're fifteen and one, for God's sakes, They've got the
Speaker 2: number one seed throughout the AFC playoffs. It goes through Arrowhead,
Speaker 2: except they don't call it Arrowhead anymore. But you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, what do they go hey? Or what
Speaker 2: does it called? I have no idea. So it's gonna
Speaker 2: be the Carson Wentz Show. By the way, four teams
Speaker 2: who have not scored more than thirty points in any
Speaker 2: game this season. Okay, that's four teams. Do you know
Speaker 2: who they are?
Speaker 3: Hmm?
Speaker 2: Oh boy? Tight spot you Kansas City as one of them?
Speaker 2: You say, both teams, Broncos. The four teams, four teams
Speaker 2: this year that have not scored more than thirty points
Speaker 2: in any game this season. One of these teams is
Speaker 2: not like the other, and that team is Kansas City. Titans. No,
Speaker 2: they scored more Rais yes, Bears. No, did I just
Speaker 2: give them to Giants? Okay, stop, Yes it is the Raiders,
Speaker 2: the Giants, the Patriots and the Chiefs. Patriots I should
Speaker 2: have gotten, except the Giants did it yesterday, So now
Speaker 2: it's only the three teams. It's Kansas City, New England
Speaker 2: and the Raiders. Wow against Denver. Denver has everything to
Speaker 2: play for. Denver wins. They are in despite batching I
Speaker 2: don't know if they botched it, but despite not getting
Speaker 2: to the finish line against the Bengals. They did kind
Speaker 2: of watch it, but Zach Taylor watched it too, So
Speaker 2: Denver wins. They're in. If Denver loses, Miami is next up.
Speaker 2: Miami would be in with a win. If both Denver
Speaker 2: and Miami lose, Cincinnati would be in with a win.
Speaker 2: If all three lose, Denver's in. But Denver has every
Speaker 2: incentive to beat Carson Wentz and the Chiefs on their
Speaker 2: home field outside Denver minus seven. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Another good note here, This is out to ten. I
Speaker 1: caught it a shop around. This number is all over
Speaker 1: the place, Broncos ten at DraftKings right now. I caught
Speaker 1: an eight and a half I did throw it in
Speaker 1: a teaser. I will get to the second leg later,
Speaker 1: but I like the teaser. Matt Brown tweeting in as well.
Speaker 1: I think this is an interesting note. If the Bengals
Speaker 1: win on Saturday, if you're the Chiefs, don't you even
Speaker 1: more kind of want to let let the Broncos uh
Speaker 1: beat you just to get them in and not have
Speaker 1: to deal with the Cincinnati Bengals in the playoffs potentially
Speaker 1: down the line. Great point because Cincinnati, you never know
Speaker 1: how what the coaches think of things like this, but
Speaker 1: we never I'd be thinking like that. Yeah, but Andy
Speaker 1: Reid has no history of thinking like that. But Cincinnati
Speaker 1: the proverbial quote unquote team you don't want to see
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, right m hm? Who is, by the way,
Speaker 1: of the teams that are in the playoffs, who is
Speaker 1: the team AFC or NFC is the team that scares
Speaker 1: you the most? And I'm not talking about the top teams.
Speaker 1: So take Minnesota Detroit. I'm allowed to say Packers, Packers, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: because I think there are what I think I kind
Speaker 1: of laugh at this question now because a lot of
Speaker 1: these teams were talking about there's a lot of teams
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Playoffs this year a playoff race. They
Speaker 1: have these great, great offenses rt GIL, but you can't
Speaker 1: trust their defenses at all. And that's where like whatever
Speaker 1: defense steps up but at the right time could be
Speaker 1: the big difference.
Speaker 2: For a lot of these teams. Next, all right, Chargers
Speaker 2: at Raiders game means nothing except for potential seating. Chargers
Speaker 2: are in, but a Chargers win and a Steelers loss
Speaker 2: would mean the Chargers would get to go to Houston.
Speaker 2: They're at the Raiders who continue to mess up their
Speaker 2: draft position. Mm hm h Chargers. By the way, the
Speaker 2: Raiders did get the brock Bowers thing right. Brock Bowers
Speaker 2: yesterday seven for seventy seven. He breaks Mike Ditka's sixty
Speaker 2: three year old record for receiving yards for rookie tight ends.
Speaker 2: Dicka did it in fourteen games. By the way, Bowers
Speaker 2: also breaks the rookie reception record, which was set by
Speaker 2: Pokinakua last year.
Speaker 1: It's insane, Like you said, at least Giants, at least
Speaker 1: you got Neighbors, Raiders, at least you got Bowers.
Speaker 2: Chargers minus four.
Speaker 1: I bet this game you did Chargers three and a half.
Speaker 1: I bet it at it raced all the way, it
Speaker 1: got to six places. It's five and a half at
Speaker 1: DraftKings right now, so you have the best of it.
Speaker 1: I think that seating motivation is enough for the Chargers
Speaker 1: to go out there and play.
Speaker 2: And Raiders, what are you doing? What are you doing?
Speaker 2: Just lay down already. By the way, the Raiders, who
Speaker 2: are four and twelve currently would draft eighth. That's so great.
Speaker 1: Eight.
Speaker 2: By great, I mean horrible. All right.
Speaker 1: Next, we had a game that could have been cool,
Speaker 1: Seahawks at Rams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rams wants to If the Rams win, they get
Speaker 2: the number three seed. If the Rams lose and the
Speaker 2: Bucks win, I believe the Bucks go to three and
Speaker 2: the Rams would go to four. But the Rams win
Speaker 2: the NFC West, so I don't know if seeding matters
Speaker 2: to the Rams. They have a home game right now.
Speaker 2: It would be Washington, but that could change. I said
Speaker 2: the Rams minus three and a half, Seahawks minus three
Speaker 2: because they're thinking the Rams will not play.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, it's got to be it. I mean
Speaker 1: what they look ahead or whatever had to have been
Speaker 1: Rams three or more. It's probably closer. It was probably
Speaker 1: your line.
Speaker 2: But the thing that always okay, sure, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I guess if you think the Rams aren't playing anybody.
Speaker 2: And Sean McVay was scoreboard watching for that reason right
Speaker 2: to see if they clinched. Washington's win puts the Rams in.
Speaker 2: So Seattle is favored. Oh okay, Seattle's been banged up though,
Speaker 2: like all year, am I mistaken? Am I mistaken about
Speaker 2: the fact that the Rams. I thought the Rams could
Speaker 2: drop to four. But maybe the Rams don't care if
Speaker 2: they're three or four. But the problem is if you don't,
Speaker 2: if you finish four, you're playing the Detroit Minnesota loser. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's either a choice of you know, Washington right
Speaker 2: now or Green Bay if you end up three, versus
Speaker 2: either Minnesota or Detroit if you end up four.
Speaker 1: See, this is where it just sounds like there's too
Speaker 1: much that's out of your control.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you care that well, it's in
Speaker 2: your control. If you win, then you get the three.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. That's an interesting line to me. I
Speaker 2: don't I don't know that I would think that that
Speaker 2: would you know, Seattle would be that big of a favorite.
Speaker 2: Alexander might be firing on the Hawks And what was
Speaker 2: the other one?
Speaker 1: The Jaguars.
Speaker 2: Oh god, all right, what do you wonder? Real quick?
Speaker 2: One more real quick? Dolphins at Jets, Dolphins win, Broncos lose.
Speaker 2: Dolphins in it was not two yesterday? Was Tyler Huntley?
Speaker 2: I'll say Miami minus three and a half two and
Speaker 2: a half. Okay, quarterback questions Still, I guess right? The
Speaker 2: Jets at four and twelve, currently picking seventh in the
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Speaker 2: a Awards voter who I believe is voting for Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: At least that's how he felt a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: ago or a week ago. So he's in the Josh
Speaker 2: Allen camp. Everybody else we've had as in the Lamar
Speaker 2: Jackson camp.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna be really sad when Josh Allen wins
Speaker 1: it and I don't have a ticket.
Speaker 2: Do we agree that jo that Jayden Daniels is a
Speaker 2: unanimous offensive Rookie of the Year. Will one person not
Speaker 2: vote for Jaden Daniels?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Probably no? Who? Why would you? As great as bo
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Speaker 1: Jill just going to have a past experience here. There's
Speaker 1: always like the one or two that you're.
Speaker 2: Like, what, there's always so much. Everybody's got a casey.
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Speaker 2: I still have I haven't made any bets in Week
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Speaker 1: I don't e feel like I've seen since the beginning
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Speaker 1: I have been so off on Warriors numbers here these
Speaker 1: past couple of weeks. I mean, Stephan out of the
Speaker 1: lineups screwed that up a little bit.
Speaker 2: Buckaminga going thirty four to thirty four. Yeah, yeah, see
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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Michael laifan if At the time of
Speaker 2: kickoff of the Chiefs Broncos game on Sunday, the Chiefs
Speaker 2: would play the Bengals in their first playoff game. If
Speaker 2: they win, they will definitely lose the game. They do
Speaker 2: not want to play Joe Burrow. Ah, got that, so
Speaker 2: they will. Oh that's right, I got it wrong. Right,
Speaker 2: So if the Bengals win on Saturday, just to get
Speaker 2: rid of the Bengals, he's saying, the Chiefs will lay
Speaker 2: down they obviously the Chiefs will have a bu That's
Speaker 2: what Matt say with Matt text, Yes, that's correct. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we covered that. Yeah, I may have said it wrong.
Speaker 2: Lasting Okay, Bobby Knuckles just tweeting randomly about random movies
Speaker 2: that we're talking about. Man, all right, free my? Did
Speaker 2: we uh? I've never seen biodome it never will did
Speaker 2: we get Did we finish the final window on Sunday? No?
Speaker 1: No, no, no on we missed two massive games. We
Speaker 1: have two massive games left?
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay? Forty nine at Cardinals, forty nine ers at
Speaker 2: Cardinals forty nine ers play to night against the Lions. Boy,
Speaker 2: what a season? Huh for the Niners lost season six
Speaker 2: and nine nine ers at the Cardinals who have been eliminated.
Speaker 2: The Cardinals Rams game we didn't talk about from Saturday?
Speaker 2: Can we talk about it for a second, because that's
Speaker 2: what the Rams set themselves up with a win in
Speaker 2: that game, so that if Washington won last night, which
Speaker 2: they did, the Rams would clinch the NFC West. And
Speaker 2: that's what happened.
Speaker 1: Okay, It's gonna sigure with this face a little time though.
Speaker 2: Let's just the finals because yeah, because why because you
Speaker 2: have a Rams to make the playoffs? Take it? Okay,
Speaker 2: So just a review. What happened here was it was
Speaker 2: thirteen to nine Rams with six thirty three left, Arizona
Speaker 2: fourth and ten at the Rams forty. Kyler was picked
Speaker 2: by Karen Kitchens. Okay. Then the Rams went three and out.
Speaker 2: Arizona takes over again at their own thirty six with
Speaker 2: two minutes left. Again, they're down four, first and goal
Speaker 2: at the five. With thirty nine seconds left, Kyler Murray
Speaker 2: zips a fastball to Trey McBride's face. It caroms up
Speaker 2: in the air and it's picked, I say in quotes
Speaker 2: in the end zone by a Kaylo Witherspoon. Ball game.
Speaker 2: Rams win and then you get in the situation where
Speaker 2: Washington wins, Seattle's out and that's what happened. Anyway, Rams
Speaker 2: win the division. Did you think that that was actually
Speaker 2: a pick, not at all.
Speaker 1: I didn't were I didn't know we were letting the
Speaker 1: ball help us catch the ball, or the crown help
Speaker 1: us catch the ball. Now kill because that's sure what
Speaker 1: it looked.
Speaker 2: Like to me. I mean, on the one hand.
Speaker 1: You so we're supposed to be underneath the ball. Now
Speaker 1: this is on the side, trapped right against the right,
Speaker 1: against the ground.
Speaker 2: All right, let's just start by saying this. When we
Speaker 2: were seven years old and we were kids playing football,
Speaker 2: I don't ten years old whatever agree with this. We
Speaker 2: all would say that's not a catch. Right. The NFL
Speaker 2: has trained us through the years to have all these
Speaker 2: different definitions of what a catch is and what a
Speaker 2: catch is. By the way, if you look at old
Speaker 2: NFL films of what like constituted a catch back in
Speaker 2: the day, it's ridiculous, but they defined it. And so
Speaker 2: now things that you know back in the day what
Speaker 2: were called catches would never be catches today. So one
Speaker 2: of the things about these situations is they say there's
Speaker 2: the ball under the you know, the hands under the ball.
Speaker 2: But then there's also if the ball doesn't move and
Speaker 2: your hands are securing it. So this was one of
Speaker 2: these where Killer Witherspoon. You know it helps it not
Speaker 2: move gilt the ground. I agree with you. That's what
Speaker 2: I'm asking because Killer Witherspoon, I hope I'm browsing his
Speaker 2: first his first name, Craik. He had his hands secure
Speaker 2: on the ball, except here's the thing. They were on
Speaker 2: like the top third of the ball.
Speaker 1: I would have even gone midway down. I'll give him
Speaker 1: midway down. It wasn't it was not underneath.
Speaker 2: And the ground absolutely helped him catch that ball.
Speaker 1: Okay, quick airport story on my like fifth delay on
Speaker 1: my flight back here. I'm watching the game and waiting
Speaker 1: to board my plane and it gets delayed for like
Speaker 1: the fourth time over the loudspeaker right as this play happens,
Speaker 1: and I just yelled, I'm like what, And this guy
Speaker 1: next to me out of nowhere, it's just like I
Speaker 1: know the fifth delay right, and I'm like, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about?
Speaker 2: I'm talking about that, That's what I'm talking about. I
Speaker 2: don't know Arizona minus four it San Francisco. No, it's
Speaker 2: forty nine ers laying a point. Sure, yeah, sure, all right?
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: I football Big one Vikings at Lions, the big one
Speaker 2: for all the marbles no matter what happens tonight with
Speaker 2: the Lions, you will end up with a game for
Speaker 2: the NFC North and more importantly, the number one seed
Speaker 2: in the entire NFC playoffs. Now you could have two
Speaker 2: fourteen and two games. If the Lions win tonight, you
Speaker 2: could have two fourteen and two teams playing. The loser
Speaker 2: will be a fourteen and three five seed. It's by
Speaker 2: the way, this is gonna be the first time in
Speaker 2: the history of the NFL where two teams with at
Speaker 2: least thirteen wins play each other in the regular season.
Speaker 2: That's how amazing this is. Lions with all their injuries,
Speaker 2: Vikings and I raise my hand, just criminally underrated, yeap,
Speaker 2: criminally underrated. They're great. They're great. I ended up saying
Speaker 2: Detroit minus three because I did not know what else
Speaker 2: to make.
Speaker 1: It's been toggling two and a half. Three shop round, Okay,
Speaker 1: so I caught it two and a half.
Speaker 2: That makes as a teaser, leg That makes about as
Speaker 2: good a sense as any and I like your teaser
Speaker 2: is the most natural of all them. Denver and the Vikings.
Speaker 1: I was desperate to find up dance partner for Denver
Speaker 1: because I think Denver the chance to tease them under
Speaker 1: three at the time, I couldn't pass.
Speaker 2: How many human beings will have a Broncos Vikings teaser
Speaker 2: this week. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's just where Denver line move because there's literally there's
Speaker 1: an eight and a half out there at FanDuel right now,
Speaker 1: and it's tenant DraftKings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but do you think people are really that discerning?
Speaker 2: They're gonna doesn't matter, They're just gonna be like whatever
Speaker 2: the number is. Good point, Broncos Vikings, Yeah, you're doing
Speaker 2: it correctly, But I'm just saying most people are just
Speaker 2: gonna do it habazardly. I hope there's something in that show.
Speaker 2: I hope there's some value. The big lesson in all
Speaker 2: this is Week eighteen is the is the most interesting one.
Speaker 2: On some level, guessing the lines can be a fool's errand,
Speaker 2: but the point being, with a lot of these teams,
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell's already called a shot tonight, I'm playing everybody
Speaker 2: endless wings, which is idiotic. But okay, what about the
Speaker 2: teams that are only playing for seeding next week? Right?
Speaker 2: The Washingtons of the world, how are they gonna play it?
Speaker 2: That's the kind of thing we ought to be thinking
Speaker 2: about green Bay. Gotta listen to coaches, what they're saying.
Speaker 2: Do you believe them? Do you not? Social media