WEBVTT - SYSK Distraction Playlist: Sugar: It Powers the Earth

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, it's Josh and Chuck and we now present

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<v Speaker 1>you with ten of our favorite episodes of all times,

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<v Speaker 1>ones that we haven't released as select yet and um,

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<v Speaker 1>be safe, be kind to one another, and learn a

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<v Speaker 1>thing or two. Here we go, Welcome to Stuff you

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<v Speaker 1>should know, a production of My Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles, Chuck, Bryant, Audie.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh high sugar dun dun. That's a I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about the earlier at the Archie. So that was an

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<v Speaker 1>Archie song. Oh sugar, honey, honey. D see you called

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<v Speaker 1>Pete your girlfriend like a sugar or hunting or your

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<v Speaker 1>wife or whatever, and it's those are all sweet things. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that all makes sense. Did you get your head? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you wouldn't call you call your wife something

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<v Speaker 1>bitter right like um, like Korean melon. I was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to think of something bitter. I couldn't think of anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Come here, my little Korean melon. I bet someone said that.

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<v Speaker 1>Who I don't know someone Korean? No, and Korea they

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<v Speaker 1>just call him Melons. That's true, man, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>worst start ever. This is the worst ever. I knew

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<v Speaker 1>we would achieve it. We've been building towards well. We

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<v Speaker 1>top ourselves every episode. Really, that's right, um chuck. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever tasted sugar? I have. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>bring it back from the break. Yes, I have, I

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<v Speaker 1>have to. Sugar is a big popular sweetener these days.

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<v Speaker 1>It is uh and it's been around for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you know this or not, but

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<v Speaker 1>apparently they think sugar is indigenous to the island known

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<v Speaker 1>as New Guinea in the South Pacific around Polynesia, and

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<v Speaker 1>um that as long as five thousand to eight thousand

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, the Polynesians were cultivating it and going like

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<v Speaker 1>this is the jam, sweet and yummy and sweet energy,

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<v Speaker 1>and it makes us fat. Remember that Simpsons where we're

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<v Speaker 1>I guess Bart grows up to be like a paid

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<v Speaker 1>taste tester, and like he drinks that soda and like

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<v Speaker 1>turns into like this horrible, huge, disfigured thing, and he

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<v Speaker 1>goes sweet and the guy with the clipboard goes pleasing

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<v Speaker 1>taste some monsterism, you remember, I don't remember that. It

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<v Speaker 1>was great was that the one where they was there

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<v Speaker 1>all of their future selves. No, it was like just

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<v Speaker 1>a momentary day dream and it goes back to like

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<v Speaker 1>his normal self and he's like cool, like he can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait to grow up to be a professional taste. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the table readingly set out on that should be coming out.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait this year. Right, it was a good one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it should be coming out. It's exciting. I'm excited. We

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<v Speaker 1>can't say what it's about. No, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>we can. We're just covering. We're gonna air on the

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<v Speaker 1>side of caution because the last one we want us

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<v Speaker 1>for the symptoms to be mad at us after all

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<v Speaker 1>these years for real? Yeah, alright, So where are we? Sugar?

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess Apparently island hopped from New Guinea across Polynesia,

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<v Speaker 1>made its way up to Indonesia and then finally landed

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<v Speaker 1>in India. And when it was in India, it really

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<v Speaker 1>started to spread. Everything spread from India back then trade

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<v Speaker 1>routes and thanks to the Crusades, it was brought to

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<v Speaker 1>Western Europe. Well even before that, the Persians started conquering

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<v Speaker 1>the land and they encountered sugar and brought that with them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And then you got Columbus, that jerk brought

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<v Speaker 1>sugarcane itself to the Caribbean and said, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>some some roots samplings, and said, let's try and plant

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff here. And it turned out it was a

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<v Speaker 1>great place to plant sugarcane. It really was, because sugarcane

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<v Speaker 1>is a tropical plant. Yeah, the cane, you can't grow

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<v Speaker 1>it any just anywhere, but you can grow it in

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<v Speaker 1>places like South America, the Caribbean, South Africa, southern United States,

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<v Speaker 1>hot places, India, as we already mentioned. And it just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of spread like wildfire across the world, especially once

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<v Speaker 1>it came to what's known as the New World, like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, via Columbus. Unfortunately, it also was and it

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<v Speaker 1>became an agent of slavery. Yes, uh, it certainly did.

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<v Speaker 1>It fueled the slave trade for quite a while. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then by seventeen fifty there were a hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sugar refineries in Britain. They called it white gold,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, it was up until that point it had

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<v Speaker 1>been kind of a luxury. Well a little before that

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<v Speaker 1>it beat it became a little more widespread. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a complete luxury. Like literally it was for royalty pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so rare and hard to come by. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently the first enter, the first Seaborn International Sugar Exchange

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<v Speaker 1>was between Venice and England in thirteen nineteen. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>that Venice was the first place where they were like

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<v Speaker 1>refining it really well, right, and the Venetians where that

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<v Speaker 1>was a merchant city if there ever was one. So

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<v Speaker 1>they were selling it and one of the places they sold,

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<v Speaker 1>the first place they sold it to overseas was England,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was in thirteen nineteen, and they sold fifty

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<v Speaker 1>tons for what's the equivalent of about eleven million dollars today,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's tons with an N N E. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>so yes, and right now you could get that for

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty thousand dollars. It was eleven million dollars back then,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was very very expensive. But then two things

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<v Speaker 1>happened that opened the sugar industry and made it available

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<v Speaker 1>to the general public. Uh. The Reformation, which actually strangely

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<v Speaker 1>led to a decrease in honey because monasteries were the

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<v Speaker 1>major producers of honey. Monks kept bees, and the Reformation

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<v Speaker 1>led to a closure of a lot of monasteries and UM. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 1>sugar just became more available. Like those two things happened

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, and all of a sudden it

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<v Speaker 1>was something that the average person could get their hands on,

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<v Speaker 1>and it actually led to a huge increase in tea consumption.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, because before then people drank tea. But once

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<v Speaker 1>they started putting sugar in their tea, they're like, we

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<v Speaker 1>love tea, And that's when it became like the the

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<v Speaker 1>national drink of Great Britain. Man, I love a good

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<v Speaker 1>English tea with a little cream and little sugar in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just delicious, you t guy? I like the herb eat

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<v Speaker 1>kind more. No, I like it all. Man. I love

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<v Speaker 1>green tea, I love English breakfast tea. You love black tea.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll even do a little I'll chiye it up every

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<v Speaker 1>now and then. I'm I'm into all of it. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a wild sidewalk, uh. And from about eighteen fifteen there

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of warring going on in Europe and

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<v Speaker 1>there were naval blockades by Britain that basically Europe needed

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<v Speaker 1>that sugar fix and they were like, but you can't

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<v Speaker 1>cut us off. We love sugar now. And so in

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen forty seven they realized that the sugar beat, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the other way you can get sugar, was a

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<v Speaker 1>great way to do it, and that's how they get

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<v Speaker 1>their sugar today. Still. And the beat is um looks

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<v Speaker 1>like a beat that's not purple. It's a root and

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<v Speaker 1>it grows up out of the ground. Looks like a

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<v Speaker 1>little uh, just sort of whitish, light brown. Yeah, sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like a turnip. But it's sweet. It is about

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen percent of the sugar beet is uh can eventually

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<v Speaker 1>become sugar, as opposed to only about ten in the cane,

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<v Speaker 1>which I thought was unusual. Yeah, so you have these

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<v Speaker 1>two plants that can be processed separately independently, and both

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<v Speaker 1>will produce is sugar indistinguishable to the average person, pretty neat.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason why I chuck, The reason why that

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<v Speaker 1>why it would be indistinguishable is because all plants have sugar.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. It's a carbohydrate, a simple carbohydrate, and um.

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<v Speaker 1>Sugar is a part of photosynthesis. But you can't go

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<v Speaker 1>out and get, you know, a blade of switch grass

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<v Speaker 1>and get enough sugar out of it to make sugar,

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<v Speaker 1>even though the sugar in it, it's only abundant enough

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<v Speaker 1>in the beet in the cane to really produce sugar.

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<v Speaker 1>Sugar exactly, but sugars is kind of this um. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a molecule that powers the earth. Yeah, really like humans, plants,

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<v Speaker 1>everything gets is powered by sugar. It's pretty neat. It

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty neat. Uh. It is also as a you

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<v Speaker 1>can be used it as a preservative. UM. It prevents

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<v Speaker 1>bacteria from growing in jam um. Sometimes you can change

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<v Speaker 1>the texture. They use it as like a food editive

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<v Speaker 1>to make something look and feel different, not only just

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<v Speaker 1>taste different. They're like, this doesn't put fuzzy little jackets

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<v Speaker 1>on people's teeth when they eat it. Enough, So let's

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<v Speaker 1>add some sugar. And our favorite use of sugar is

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<v Speaker 1>to make booze. Accelerates fermentation. And my favorite uses of

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<v Speaker 1>sugar are to make booze and to make Reese's Pieces. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's not leave that out. Yeah, it's a it's an

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<v Speaker 1>important part of the production of alcohol and Reese's Pieces

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<v Speaker 1>and Reese's Pieces, and it does make the world go round. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And the world actually produces quite a bit of sugar.

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<v Speaker 1>So in this article from a few years ago, it

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<v Speaker 1>says that um the world made about seventy eight million tons.

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<v Speaker 1>That's seventy one metric tons of sugarcane annually. Is that accurate? Stild?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, well, it's just sugarcane. But I know that

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<v Speaker 1>sugarcane accounts for eighty percent of sugar production about and

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<v Speaker 1>then sugar beats account for about um But in I

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<v Speaker 1>think two thousand thirteen, the world produced a hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five million metric tons of sugar. Okay, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you'd have to be a mathematician to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out that formula. But plus you probably have to have

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<v Speaker 1>more info than weeds. This cave. The cane, sugar cane

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<v Speaker 1>looks sort of like bamboo, the stock does. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>tropical grass. To the top of it looks grassy, and

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<v Speaker 1>it takes about a year or to grow. It takes

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<v Speaker 1>about eighteen months from planting. But once it's planted, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you cut it back to the route and it will

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<v Speaker 1>take another twelve months for that to grow back up

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<v Speaker 1>to be harvested again. So what's the eighteen months thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Then eight months is if you plan a brand new

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<v Speaker 1>oh god jokes like from from seed, I guess grows

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<v Speaker 1>and breaks. They call him cane brakes, which I always

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<v Speaker 1>think is like one of the neater like Earth science

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<v Speaker 1>terms cane brakes, cane brake. Uh, it is grown and

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<v Speaker 1>not always um refined near where it's grown, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is harvested and h and processed initially close to where

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<v Speaker 1>it's grown, so it doesn't rot. Sort of like like

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<v Speaker 1>when we did coffee. You know, you want to do

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<v Speaker 1>most of that stuff near where it's grown, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>there are some stuffs you have to take to harvest

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<v Speaker 1>sugar at least even get into the to the raw state.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, not every processing place refines it all the

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<v Speaker 1>way to what we would call table. Yeah, sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 1>sent to a refinery, so I guess we can cover

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<v Speaker 1>that in broad strokes here. But it, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty complicated. And yeah, I mean, if you're looking for

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<v Speaker 1>the end all be all of how sugar is produced,

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<v Speaker 1>then go watching our long video on YouTube. What was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Remember how how um incredibly complex chocolate making is. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>I love all these These are some of my favorite ones. Salt, sugar, coffee, commodities. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the commodity sweet. We gotta do tea we haven't done tea, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and wine we still haven't done wine yet. Yeah. That

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<v Speaker 1>one that just bugs me. We've got a great offer

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<v Speaker 1>from a nice guy. I don't have his name in

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<v Speaker 1>my memory, but I have his email in a safeholder. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was like, you need some help with this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got experts. We're ready to talk to you about wine.

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<v Speaker 1>That could that should be a sweet That's a dense,

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<v Speaker 1>dense topic. All right, So sugar beets, let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that in the process. Um, usually they're gonna extract over

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<v Speaker 1>the winter months between September and February. And as we

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<v Speaker 1>said earlier, sugar beat is about seventeen percent sugar. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so not too bad bang for your buck wise, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, considering the cane is only ten percent. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you could pick it up and eat it

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<v Speaker 1>and be like, this is pretty sweet. Oh yeah seven.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess if you're in Russia you could. That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>That's their esist pieces sugar beets UH in a stolen

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<v Speaker 1>international incident. No things are tense right now, you know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>between US and UH and Russia. Yeah, it's like nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventies seven again, we'll the kicking us out of the

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<v Speaker 1>space station. Star Wars just came out. Uh. So, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna process sugar beet. You're gonna slice it and

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna put it in hot water and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>boil it. And it's similar to sugarcane. They're gonna make

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<v Speaker 1>a sugary juice. Then they're gonna filter it, purify it,

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<v Speaker 1>concentrate it, isolate those sugars, and eventually you're gonna get

0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:48.360
<v Speaker 1>sugar crystals developing because you send that syrupy juice through

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<v Speaker 1>what's called a centrifuge, and that's going to separate the

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<v Speaker 1>crystal from what is known as the mother liquor. Whatever

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<v Speaker 1>is left which is one of my favorite terms. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>when whatever is left over that's not crystal is mother

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<v Speaker 1>liquor like byproducts in the original juice, And apparently that

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<v Speaker 1>can be h extracted a few times, I would guess,

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<v Speaker 1>so to get all the crystals out of it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think sometimes they need to add a little

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<v Speaker 1>sugar dust to spur that crystallization. Wow, it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a magical process. There's mother liquor, there's sugar dust. And

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<v Speaker 1>actually know that you bring up sugar dusts you know,

0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.560
<v Speaker 1>do you remember down in Savannah and like two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>seven eight, that sugar refinery that exploded. It was sugar

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<v Speaker 1>that exploded. Dust in the air. Yeah, sugar. Dust is

0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.320
<v Speaker 1>particular matter, and when it gets into the air, it

0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:44.760
<v Speaker 1>can catch fire and explode. And it did. It blew

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<v Speaker 1>that place sky high? Yeah. When was that? I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>about it when I got here, So I would guess

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<v Speaker 1>like two thousand seven or two thousand and eight. What

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<v Speaker 1>was the article like, how can sugar explode? I think

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<v Speaker 1>I remember seeing that. We should have touched on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I just did. But I mean, like you

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<v Speaker 1>should go back and check out that now that you

0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.600
<v Speaker 1>realize that it was just sugar. Yeah, that blew that

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<v Speaker 1>place up. It it formed a crater. Basically, it just

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<v Speaker 1>blew the whole refiner. Any flour could do that too, right,

0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.640
<v Speaker 1>same principle. Yeah, any particulate matter I can do that.

0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:22.280
<v Speaker 1>I think can that's nutty? Yeah? Um, alright, So sugarcane,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a very similar process. They're gonna pulverize the

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<v Speaker 1>stalk um, add water and lime and that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be your syrupy sweet juice and not lime like limestone. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not like squeeze limes into it. I had to double check. No,

0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:41.560
<v Speaker 1>you're right, because it's tropical you know exactly. Uh, and

0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.400
<v Speaker 1>they're also going to run that through this interfuge, and

0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.080
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna get your mother liquor in your crystals, and

0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.160
<v Speaker 1>that is also going to be washed and filtered and

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<v Speaker 1>refined further until you get your sugary white goodness, you know.

0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Evaporations going on. It's it's it's one of those things

0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.880
<v Speaker 1>that sounds complicated, but it's actually pretty simple. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>same as when you're like making a simple syrup at home.

0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.800
<v Speaker 1>You're boiling sugar and water. It evaporates off, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna end up with something super sweet. So chuck their

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<v Speaker 1>byproducts to this whole process. Essentially, molasses is chief among them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I never knew that. Yeah, it's a byproduct that comes

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<v Speaker 1>from boiling sugar, right, yeah, I mean it's it's basically

0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:31.320
<v Speaker 1>the Yeah, it's it's it's the dark like that. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what makes brown sugar dark, or sugar in the raw

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<v Speaker 1>dark is molasses. Right. The molasses isn't extracted as much

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<v Speaker 1>as it is with refined white sugar. Fine white sugar

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<v Speaker 1>has zero molasses in it, like sugar in the raw

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<v Speaker 1>has more and more. It's less refined um and then

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest byproduct of molasses is of course rum. Yeah yeah,

0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.280
<v Speaker 1>I put a little molasses in my when I make

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<v Speaker 1>melin barbecue sauce. Oh yeah, that's good. Yeah, that's nice.

0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Another byproduct is called gas, and that is um the

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<v Speaker 1>pulp essentially of the cane. Are you making these words up? No?

0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Those are rewards what mother looking in bagas? But gas

0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.880
<v Speaker 1>we I think another process we studied. It's not it's

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<v Speaker 1>not central just to sugar. It's just the pulpy fibrous

0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.800
<v Speaker 1>matter leftover from this kind of process. I wonder what

0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.880
<v Speaker 1>we talked about that and was it? Was it coffee?

0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Now maybe maybe maybe? But the ba gas is used

0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.040
<v Speaker 1>is a big gas because I think I remembers discussing

0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.080
<v Speaker 1>whether it's a big gas or by gas. It's big gas.

0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:38.320
<v Speaker 1>I listened to it today. Um yeah, we definitely cover

0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.080
<v Speaker 1>that before. I'm starting to feel like an old man

0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.399
<v Speaker 1>because when you when we have seven undertopics or so

0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.200
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, literally vaguely familiar, but yeah, I want to

0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.879
<v Speaker 1>sound dumb, so you don't say anything, and they just

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<v Speaker 1>spend the next week and going over this. I'm telling you,

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<v Speaker 1>one day we're going to rerecord a show and not

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<v Speaker 1>realize it, man, and we're going to hear about it. Well,

0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:05.359
<v Speaker 1>what was it? It was crystal skulls. We never release

0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:07.639
<v Speaker 1>that one, right, But remember I was like, I thought

0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:11.600
<v Speaker 1>for sure we recorded this, no dreams, what it was.

0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.639
<v Speaker 1>We went to record dreams and we just were it

0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:19.320
<v Speaker 1>just wasn't there. Yeah. Uh so, but gas we definitely

0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.960
<v Speaker 1>talked about. And the gas is a great byproduct because

0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:26.320
<v Speaker 1>that can be used to power the sugar refinery. They

0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:30.080
<v Speaker 1>actually burned that as fuel to create the steam used

0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.479
<v Speaker 1>to power some of these machines. So that is one

0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:37.120
<v Speaker 1>way that sugar production can be green. Um. However, mass

0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.280
<v Speaker 1>production of anything like this isn't super green because they're

0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:44.040
<v Speaker 1>transporting stuff over large distances and there's clear cutting of land.

0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.720
<v Speaker 1>Well that's a big one with with sugar. Yeah, deforestation

0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.480
<v Speaker 1>like in the Amazon, right, and yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah.

0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:55.000
<v Speaker 1>So even though they're using things like the gas as

0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.520
<v Speaker 1>a byproduct to help power why is that funny? Because

0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.760
<v Speaker 1>I always hear by gas and my head okay anytime

0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.080
<v Speaker 1>you say it. But it is not a looked upon

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<v Speaker 1>as one of the more green products that is used

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<v Speaker 1>and produced, you know, like they have to use baby

0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:16.160
<v Speaker 1>lambs to really refine it to its whitest. Not true. Well,

0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.159
<v Speaker 1>it uses their souls at least, I guess, if you

0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.439
<v Speaker 1>want to get technical, the souls of baby lambs, and

0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.560
<v Speaker 1>then they're just left to wander the earth for the

0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.000
<v Speaker 1>rest of their natural lives, like not feeling anything. So

0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:50.080
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of types of sugar. There are. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>when you think about sugar, especially here in the West,

0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:57.159
<v Speaker 1>you think, oh, that really white, like really pretty powdery

0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:01.360
<v Speaker 1>granular stuff, and that's called will sugar, and that's what's

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<v Speaker 1>known as sucros. That's right, And sucros is glucose and

0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:11.479
<v Speaker 1>fruit toast. Sucros also apparently occurs naturally. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of different types of sugar that you're gonna find in plants, uh,

0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:19.560
<v Speaker 1>and from some animals too. Yeah. Yeah, So cow's milk

0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:29.320
<v Speaker 1>contains lactose and gullactose, both of which are sugars um sucros. Again,

0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:31.880
<v Speaker 1>that's typically table sugar, but I believe you can find

0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.080
<v Speaker 1>that in plants, and that's glucose and fructose what you said, Yeah,

0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:40.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's even one molecule glucose, one molecule fruit toast.

0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Put them together, you've got sucros, fruit toast is commonly

0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:48.320
<v Speaker 1>found in fruits. Yeah. Uh, it's also found in honey

0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:53.720
<v Speaker 1>fruit tastes. And then, um, glucose. This is the one

0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:57.600
<v Speaker 1>you commonly think of when you think the body and sugar,

0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:00.560
<v Speaker 1>because glucose is what the body ones on. And we'll

0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:02.080
<v Speaker 1>talk about that a little more in depth than a

0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.840
<v Speaker 1>little bit. Yeah, and that's in honey and fruits and veggies.

0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:08.480
<v Speaker 1>And then something called zylos, which I've never heard of,

0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:12.359
<v Speaker 1>that's in wood and straw. It's pretty interesting. Yeah, there's

0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:18.000
<v Speaker 1>a sugar alcohol called zilattle. Yeah, that's very sweet. Yeah.

0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:23.000
<v Speaker 1>There's sugar alcohols and they supposedly um circumvent your blood sugar,

0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:26.840
<v Speaker 1>your normal metabolic blood sugar process, so they taste sweet,

0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.760
<v Speaker 1>but they don't have any impact on your blood sugar.

0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:33.840
<v Speaker 1>And one of them is called zio Litle. Zio litle,

0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:36.840
<v Speaker 1>and that's the name of the product. Yeah. There's this

0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:42.200
<v Speaker 1>uh Danish or Swedish gum that's like the best sugar

0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:44.840
<v Speaker 1>free gum you can possibly get your hands on. It's

0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:48.600
<v Speaker 1>called Ziolidle. It's so good. Terrible name though it is,

0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:52.000
<v Speaker 1>but it's named after the sugar, which apparently is based

0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:57.400
<v Speaker 1>on I guess it's probably would sugar alcohol. Wow, yeah,

0:21:57.440 --> 0:22:01.000
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty creative. I didn't. I'm just recounting here, so

0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I know I know you did. You weren't complimenting me. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Sugar comes in different granulations and from icing sugar, which

0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:13.639
<v Speaker 1>is if you've ever heard of confection or sugar that

0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:19.600
<v Speaker 1>you daintily sprinkle on top of your Um what's it called?

0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:21.520
<v Speaker 1>What did you get at the fair? Your funnel cake?

0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.679
<v Speaker 1>Those are so good? They are. I haven't had one year,

0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:28.680
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, they're good. I never like I got. I

0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:32.440
<v Speaker 1>don't indulge in that stuff. Man, what why is going on? Chuck? Well,

0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:35.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm I'm overweight and like it's there's just

0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:37.280
<v Speaker 1>like you don't want to be the overweight guy walking

0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:40.400
<v Speaker 1>up to the funnel cake stand, you know, Well that's

0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:42.320
<v Speaker 1>why you sneak around the back, get someone else to

0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:46.359
<v Speaker 1>go get it, and you eat in the alley. Cry.

0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I've never done that. No, I avoid that stuff. Ice

0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Cream is my big downfall. Oh it's your ice cream?

0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:57.159
<v Speaker 1>What's your favorite? Um? Well, Ben and Jerry's sure like,

0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:02.560
<v Speaker 1>but which one, Chubby Hubby? Oh it's a good one, ironically, Yeah, Um,

0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:06.880
<v Speaker 1>I gotta tell you have you had Bluebell. Yeah, okay,

0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:11.159
<v Speaker 1>Blue Bell is like the third best selling ice cream brand,

0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:14.479
<v Speaker 1>like Country, but you can only get it in like

0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:18.960
<v Speaker 1>seven states. That's how good it is. And um, they

0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:23.000
<v Speaker 1>have a banana pudding flavor that is if you're in

0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Nevada and you can't, the closest you can get it

0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:29.960
<v Speaker 1>is in Mississippi. It's worth driving there for and it's

0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:32.480
<v Speaker 1>like eight bucks for like a gallon or a half gallons,

0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:36.440
<v Speaker 1>ridiculously expensive, but it is so good. All of their

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:38.720
<v Speaker 1>flavors are good, but their banana putting one is like

0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:43.120
<v Speaker 1>it's just I'm about to cry. Yeah. There. Um, their

0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:46.360
<v Speaker 1>radio commercials or have you heard those? The songs are horrible. Oh,

0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:49.080
<v Speaker 1>it's the funniest stuff you've ever heard. The TV version

0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:51.240
<v Speaker 1>of it is even worse. Yeah, it seems like a joke,

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:54.040
<v Speaker 1>Like are they serious or is this campy? Oh? They're serious.

0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:58.639
<v Speaker 1>It's like an eighty five year old like braptist preachers

0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:03.000
<v Speaker 1>in charge of like their it's it is. It's campy.

0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:06.199
<v Speaker 1>It's so it's and they don't mean it. It is.

0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:08.400
<v Speaker 1>For those of you who don't know the songs, it's

0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:12.080
<v Speaker 1>literally like, you know, Mama's baking the apple pie and

0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:15.200
<v Speaker 1>putting in the window sill and like the picket fences outside,

0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:18.080
<v Speaker 1>and we're eating bluebell ice cream because it tastes like

0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:20.879
<v Speaker 1>the good old days. It's really funny. It rhymes more

0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 1>than that, but that's just it. I'm sure it's on YouTube.

0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:27.879
<v Speaker 1>Just type bluebell ice cream. Man. Yeah, it's good stuff.

0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Um Man. That was a nice sidetrack. So then you

0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:34.639
<v Speaker 1>got castor sugar, which is larger than powdered sugar but

0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:36.840
<v Speaker 1>smaller than granulated sugar. Yeah, which I didn't know about

0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 1>until like a couple of months ago. I don't remember

0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 1>what recipe it was, but there was a recipe that

0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:43.399
<v Speaker 1>you me was making that like called for castor sugar,

0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:45.960
<v Speaker 1>and she was like what both of us were, Yeah,

0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:48.000
<v Speaker 1>you apparently you can make it if like with the

0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:50.760
<v Speaker 1>coffee grinder, you can grind your regular sugar. Yes, she

0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:53.600
<v Speaker 1>came across that. I think you finally founder she ordered

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:55.760
<v Speaker 1>it online or something like that, but she making a

0:24:55.800 --> 0:25:00.399
<v Speaker 1>merengue because they used a lot of meringues. Evidently I

0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:07.239
<v Speaker 1>don't remember. Maybe I don't remember what did you need

0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:09.480
<v Speaker 1>that for. I'll figure it out on my own time

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:11.600
<v Speaker 1>and let everybody know. In the next episode, how about

0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:14.000
<v Speaker 1>that rather than all of us sitting here until I

0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:16.439
<v Speaker 1>remember what the recipes and then I pick up the

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:20.919
<v Speaker 1>phone and collar and asked, right, that's good radio, my friend. Uh.

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Then you have your granulated sugar, and this is your

0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:25.720
<v Speaker 1>table sugar. And then you've got preserving sugar, which looks

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:28.560
<v Speaker 1>sort of like sort of rock salty. It's chunkier or

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:31.760
<v Speaker 1>like sea salt. Course, sea salt sweeter than sea salt though,

0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:35.440
<v Speaker 1>and that's used to preserve yes, much sweeter. Uh yeah,

0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:38.480
<v Speaker 1>because that's another property of sugar is it's a preservative

0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:43.160
<v Speaker 1>as well. Um, you can throw it into some jam

0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:45.920
<v Speaker 1>if you want to make an extra sweet, but it

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:49.120
<v Speaker 1>will also keep the bacteria away at bay. That's right,

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:52.800
<v Speaker 1>which is why, like you said, simple syrup can last

0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:55.280
<v Speaker 1>for so long. Yeah, you can just make that and

0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 1>put it on your bar at riom temperature. Right. Yeah,

0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:00.040
<v Speaker 1>I can keep it in the fridge, but yeah, you

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 1>keep it on hand, make it yourself. It's very easy.

0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Plus also if you like toss some lavender in there,

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:11.160
<v Speaker 1>got lavender simple syrup which goes with anything with gin

0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 1>in it. Yeah, Oh it's so good. Um, you can

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:19.320
<v Speaker 1>put in some like all spice and some an a

0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:23.119
<v Speaker 1>seed and stuff like that. Every lemon verbina, No, but

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 1>I have made lemon like just from the the peel.

0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Lemon verbena is like just the green leaf.

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:32.080
<v Speaker 1>We grow a lot of that in the herb garden

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:33.800
<v Speaker 1>and if you smash it up, it smells so good,

0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 1>like I imagine it would be good muddled in a

0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:39.560
<v Speaker 1>drink if I was into that. Are you not? You

0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:41.879
<v Speaker 1>know that I'm not into the cocktails. I thought you

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 1>were whiskey over ice. So you can jazz it up

0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:48.600
<v Speaker 1>a little bit here there, No, not me, okay, Uh

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:50.040
<v Speaker 1>So I guess we should talk a little bit about

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:52.359
<v Speaker 1>high fruit toast corn syrup. We did a whole show

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 1>on it, yeah, which you can go back and listen to.

0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:58.199
<v Speaker 1>But it bears mentioning here because there's a lot of

0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:02.200
<v Speaker 1>it gets a bad rap um and the evidence is

0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:05.919
<v Speaker 1>sort of inconclusive right now. Yeah. Yeah, I think what

0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:08.720
<v Speaker 1>we determined is it's not necessarily any worse feed than sugar,

0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 1>but it's in a lot more stuff and you may

0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:14.120
<v Speaker 1>not know it. I don't remember what we concluded. What

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:16.640
<v Speaker 1>my understanding is at this point, and that was from

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 1>two thousand nine. Um, there's a really great article on

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:23.880
<v Speaker 1>the New York Times called It's sugar toxic. It's very long,

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 1>but it's very in depth, and it really goes into

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:31.119
<v Speaker 1>the um the evidence that's out there that it really

0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:34.880
<v Speaker 1>is the highlights. Well, like you said, high fruit toast

0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:41.200
<v Speaker 1>corn syrup isn't molecularly different very much from sucrose, which

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 1>is sugar. Most high fruit toast corn syrup, or the

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 1>stuff that's most widely used, is like fifty fruit toasted glucoast.

0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:56.239
<v Speaker 1>So that five difference um in fruit toast shouldn't make

0:27:56.400 --> 0:28:01.639
<v Speaker 1>much difference, but apparently it does. The other aspect of

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 1>high frue toast corn syrup is that that extra fructoast

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:09.040
<v Speaker 1>are all that fruit toast that is processed in the liver.

0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Any cell in your body can process glucose. When you

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 1>eat something that has glucose in it, uh, your pancreas

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 1>releases insulin, and insulin goes hey open up cells and

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 1>the glucose goes in and it's converted. It's biochemical energy

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 1>is converted to a t P and then you have

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:29.880
<v Speaker 1>this packet of energy that can be used by any cell.

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Any cell can do that, which means your entire body

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:37.160
<v Speaker 1>can metabolize glucose. Fruit toast has to be broken down

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 1>into glucose, and that's done in the liver. The liver

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 1>has some options to it chuck. When it's presented with fructast.

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 1>It can use it for energy, it can convert it

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:54.360
<v Speaker 1>into fats in the blood stream, which are called triglycerides,

0:28:55.320 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 1>or it can convert it into fat stores fat. That's

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 1>if you have too much of it, right, Yeah, Now,

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:07.120
<v Speaker 1>with high fru toast corn syrup, apparently evidence shows that

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 1>when it hits the liver, it's just automatically converted to fat,

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:18.520
<v Speaker 1>and that the speed with which it's metabolized also has

0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 1>an effect on how much or how frequently it's converted

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 1>to fat. And with high fruit toast corn syrup, it's syrup,

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:31.280
<v Speaker 1>and syrup apparently hits the liver a lot faster than say,

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 1>an equal amount of apples that you're getting fruit toast from,

0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 1>so it's being converted to fat like automatically. That's why

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 1>they think that high fruit toast corn syrup is actually

0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 1>far worse from you than just regular fruit toast or

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 1>even sucros table sugar. Right, while the obesity epidemic is

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:53.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of matched year to year with the introduction of

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 1>high fruit toast corn syrup as far as increase um.

0:29:57.560 --> 0:29:59.959
<v Speaker 1>So that makes sense. I read an article to Day

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 1>that said that added sugars overall is the problem, whether

0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 1>it's high fructose corn syrup or regular added sugar. Well,

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 1>that's added sugars in a product. That's the U s

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 1>d a's line, and the U s d A doesn't

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:17.560
<v Speaker 1>want to upset the sugar industry or the Corn Refiners Association,

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 1>So that's kind of become the predominant government line, like, yeah,

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 1>everybody's eating too much sugar, that's the problem. Well, then

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 1>there's a whole group of people out there who are saying, like, no,

0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 1>it's it's yeah, sure that's a problem, but this is

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 1>a an even bigger problem with high fructose corn syrup. Yeah,

0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>that makes sense that it's different and it's affecting people differently, right,

0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:41.479
<v Speaker 1>and it's not the same as sugar. Well, I think

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people think we're ingesting too much corn

0:30:45.440 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 1>based products. Period. We need to do g MS at

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 1>some point too. You know, yeah, everyone keeps calling for it.

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Some guys sent us a book, Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Did you read it? No, I haven't read it um.

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Apparently six of americans calories come from added sugars, which

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 1>is just like totally empty calories. So again there's a

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 1>there's a big there's an argument over those numbers. Yeah,

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 1>no one really knows, but supposedly the numbers are very

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 1>artificially low. UM and that the average American eats about

0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 1>nine pounds of sugar a year. Oh yeah, yeah wow,

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 1>and the global average is something like UM sixty six pounds,

0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 1>but Israel eats something like a d forty five pounds

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:03.480
<v Speaker 1>per person per year. What what that's from sweets? Yeah,

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:11.760
<v Speaker 1>packaged foods Um. Are we done with HFCs then for now? Yeah,

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:14.840
<v Speaker 1>I go back and listen to the episode. It was

0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.239
<v Speaker 1>a good one, one of my favorites. Yeah, it's been

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 1>a while. I'm meant to re listen to that, but

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 1>I didn't get a chance. Um, So sugar in the

0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 1>body we've been This also a hearkens back to our

0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 1>episode on taste it uh corresponds molecularly on your with

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 1>your taste buds on the tongue because of the shape

0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 1>of the molecule. We talked about that the molecules are

0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:37.320
<v Speaker 1>shaped to fit. You know, when sugar hits it, it

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 1>matches up perfectly with that molecule and sends a message said, hey,

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:43.840
<v Speaker 1>there's something sweet as opposed to salty or bitter or

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 1>sour or umami. Five? Right, this is four, and then

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:52.120
<v Speaker 1>names five, which I thought was I even changed it

0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:56.480
<v Speaker 1>on my sheet. Um And they recommend something that I

0:32:56.640 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 1>do not recommend, which is, if something tastes sweet in

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 1>the wild, it's more likely to be safe to eat

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 1>than something bitter. Sort of true. But you should never

0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 1>ever go and like in a survival scenario and just

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:15.160
<v Speaker 1>try and eat something even a little bit. Um. There's

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 1>a test you can do which I won't get into,

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 1>but it involves like rubbing on your skin first, waiting

0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:22.400
<v Speaker 1>a certain amount of time. They may be touching it

0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 1>to your tongue, waiting a certain amount of time. But

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 1>you should never just go like, I wonder if this

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 1>is edible, let me taste it? Right, It's not a

0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:30.840
<v Speaker 1>good idea good going even if it is sweet. You're

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 1>a survivalist. I know some things. So you know. We

0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:39.720
<v Speaker 1>said sugar is found in all plants, just to varying degrees.

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Um And plants create sugar is a byproduct of photosynthesis,

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Speaker 1>and they use it for energy for growth. They also

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 1>use it to they take sugars and turn them into

0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:55.920
<v Speaker 1>more complex sugars to use for like um cellular structure

0:33:56.000 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>like cellulose um. But they also use sugar in their

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 1>nectar to tract bees and other things to help them pollinate. Yeah,

0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:10.399
<v Speaker 1>and and propagate their species because it's sweet stuff. Yeah.

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I love it when I see the little bee getting

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:15.359
<v Speaker 1>in there getting a little something sweet. Yeah. I feel

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>like they're getting a little treat, you know, that's right,

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:20.840
<v Speaker 1>And then they're vomiting it up and we eat it

0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:26.200
<v Speaker 1>as honey. That's true. Uh, sugar is bad for your teeth.

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 1>Everyone knows that. Um. Specifically, when you eat sugar, it's

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:34.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna form something called a glyco protein, that little sweater

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 1>on your teeth. And bacteria love to eat that stuff

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 1>and then they love to poop out lactic acid afterwards,

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 1>unto your teeth. Yes, specifically, stripped a caucus mutans. That's

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:49.919
<v Speaker 1>the culprit for cavities. Really, we've said stripped a caucus before,

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 1>and that's not a good word. No, But there's different

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 1>kinds of strap okay, um, But when they poop out

0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:57.719
<v Speaker 1>that lactic acid, that's what's on your enamel, that's what's

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna wear it on your teeth. So eating sugary stuff

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:02.240
<v Speaker 1>really is bad for your teeth. That's not like something

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:04.920
<v Speaker 1>your mom tells you. That's a lie. And the bacteria

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:09.239
<v Speaker 1>also provided or produces a biofilm around all of this

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:11.719
<v Speaker 1>stuff which traps it in there and traps in the

0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:16.279
<v Speaker 1>lactic acid as well. So you're in trouble. Yeah you're dead,

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 1>not dead, but you make it diabetes. Yeah, you can

0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:25.120
<v Speaker 1>get diabetes UM from too much sugar and that that

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:29.280
<v Speaker 1>apparently is um. It's crazy that there's a real parallel

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 1>between the six country study in the seven country study

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:35.560
<v Speaker 1>that we talked about. In the Paleo diet episode of fats,

0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>apparently there was a rival all along that said it's

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 1>not fat, it's sugar. Like we're both after the same problem.

0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:47.880
<v Speaker 1>But this guy went after fats, this other guy went

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 1>after sugar. And now they're starting to think, like now

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 1>that they're thinking it's not fats after all that contributed

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 1>to like heart disease and obesity that they think is

0:35:56.160 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 1>actually sugar. And the the way that it's sugar is

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 1>through something called metabolic syndrome, to where if you eat

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:07.759
<v Speaker 1>too much sugar, your body becomes resistant to insulin. And

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.279
<v Speaker 1>remember insulin gets glucose out of the blood stream and

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 1>into your cells and is converted to energy. Well, if

0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:16.680
<v Speaker 1>your body starts sucking at doing that, then you have

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:19.839
<v Speaker 1>a lot more glucose in your blood stream, which means

0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 1>your pancreases producing more and more insulin. Insulin remember, triggers

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 1>fat storage, so you have more and more insulin, you

0:36:27.239 --> 0:36:29.600
<v Speaker 1>have more and more fat storage, You have obesity, you

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 1>have heart disease, and they think that possibly the number

0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:38.239
<v Speaker 1>one contributor to heart attacks is metabolic syndrome and not

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 1>necessarily saturated fats. Right. Interesting, But as a result of

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:48.680
<v Speaker 1>this aside result is insulin, you develop your diabetes. Type

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:51.960
<v Speaker 1>two diabetes is the result of insulin resistance where you

0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 1>have to inject insulin into your body because your body

0:36:56.120 --> 0:37:00.200
<v Speaker 1>is not producing enough any longer because it's overtaxed your pancreases. Yeah,

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 1>we got a lot of great responses from the Paleo episode.

0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 1>It was a really interesting one. Yeah, and people saying, like, dudes,

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:10.279
<v Speaker 1>we know so little still about nutrition and things are

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:13.440
<v Speaker 1>changing so much with the things we eat and put

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:15.399
<v Speaker 1>in our body that it's hard to keep up, which

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 1>is why it's so insulting when some industry that has

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 1>a vested interest in so they got all figured out. Yeah,

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 1>and don't worry about it, just keep eating it. You

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 1>know that that's that's insulting. All right? Can sugar power

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>your car? Yes? How I'll explain. There's a couple of ways. Um,

0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:39.280
<v Speaker 1>So there's sugar based ethanol, which Brazil was basically running

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:42.120
<v Speaker 1>on for many years. I didn't realize that they're big

0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:46.400
<v Speaker 1>into flex fuels and ethanol. They were basically energy independent

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 1>in the first decade of the twenty one century because

0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 1>they said, we're tired of being dependent on foreign oil. Yeah,

0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 1>let's figure something out. And they did. They put all

0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 1>they Yeah, they started looking into sugarcane, making ethanol from sugarcane,

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:07.239
<v Speaker 1>and you know there's like corn based ethanol, which um,

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Chris Pallette and I talked about in the Grass Lena episode,

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 1>remember that. And apparently ethanol made from sugarcane as eight

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:19.319
<v Speaker 1>hundred times more energy output, and so they were making

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:23.840
<v Speaker 1>ethanol in it. In two thousand eight of the fuel

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:27.239
<v Speaker 1>sold in Brazil was ethanol. That's awesome, made from sugarcane

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:30.760
<v Speaker 1>right there in the country. Well then gas prices lowered

0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:34.440
<v Speaker 1>and um people started using gas again because they'll use

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 1>whatever's cheapest. But Brazil, even though it's on its heels,

0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 1>the ethanol industry there is they proved it's a completely

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:46.480
<v Speaker 1>viable alternative fuel. Yeah. The problem though, again with UM

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:50.480
<v Speaker 1>refining more and more sugar for these purposes is the

0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:55.799
<v Speaker 1>deforestation and worker wages. And I feel like anytime we've

0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:59.759
<v Speaker 1>covered any commodity like this, there's some workers somewhere in

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:02.960
<v Speaker 1>the world getting screwed over, and sugar is definitely not

0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:05.400
<v Speaker 1>any stranger in that process. Well. Also, it drives up

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 1>food prices too, yeah, um, because if if there's two

0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:13.879
<v Speaker 1>different huge sectors competing for the same commodity like there,

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:16.399
<v Speaker 1>it's going to drive the price of that commodity up. Yeah,

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 1>that's true. So if you have energy and food right

0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 1>going after sugar prices, sugar goes up. Right. I wish

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:26.520
<v Speaker 1>people could have seen that demonstration. It really brings it home. Uh.

0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 1>And what else is the other I remember I think

0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:34.320
<v Speaker 1>we talked about this too, Uh, sugar devouring microorganisms basically

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:38.399
<v Speaker 1>feeding on sugar and making energy in the process. Yeah,

0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:41.239
<v Speaker 1>that's a like viable, viable way in the future, maybe

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:44.600
<v Speaker 1>to power things. Yeah, so there's a certain certain types

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:48.960
<v Speaker 1>of microbes are more sugar hungry than others. But yeah,

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 1>when they're eating sugar, they managed to separate electrons and

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:57.279
<v Speaker 1>loosen loosen electrons, and as the electrons flow, as we

0:39:57.520 --> 0:40:01.400
<v Speaker 1>mentioned in our electricity episode, the flow of electrons is electricity.

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:05.879
<v Speaker 1>So if you direct that flow across like some something

0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:08.520
<v Speaker 1>that can use it, you create a current. And the

0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:13.440
<v Speaker 1>cool thing about microbial fuel cells is when that electron

0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:17.600
<v Speaker 1>makes it to the other side, it um combines to

0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:20.920
<v Speaker 1>form water. So that's the byproduct like this, so it

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:26.000
<v Speaker 1>it truly is a very um environmentally friendly alternative fuel. Yeah,

0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 1>we did. We covered that at some point too. I remember,

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:33.440
<v Speaker 1>it's our world is getting smaller because we're explaining it.

0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:40.000
<v Speaker 1>That's right. You got anything else? No, I don't think so, mother, liquor,

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 1>BA gas, all these words I made up just for

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:48.799
<v Speaker 1>the show. You did good with the making up the words, man, Thanks. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have anything else, chuck um. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to learn more about sugar, I'm sure there's some

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<v Speaker 1>words we left out of this article. You can type

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<v Speaker 1>sugar into the search bar at how stuff works dot com. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, since I said search parts time for a

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<v Speaker 1>listener mail, I'm gonna call this refuting listener mail. We

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<v Speaker 1>read a listener mail from a creationist not too long ago,

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<v Speaker 1>man that got a certain response from some quarters. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so then a lot of people right and responding to

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<v Speaker 1>that listener mail. So we might just continue this for

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<v Speaker 1>the next year just reading rebuttals. H. Hey, guys, you

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<v Speaker 1>received an email from a creation that's explaining that both

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<v Speaker 1>creationists and scientists believe in natural selection, and that both

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<v Speaker 1>groups believe in micro evolution but disagree on macro evolution.

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<v Speaker 1>What the person did not mention is that macro and

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<v Speaker 1>micro evolution describe the same process of natural selection, just

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<v Speaker 1>on different timetables. Uh. Micro a short term, macros long term.

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<v Speaker 1>It simply does not make sense that natural selection works

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<v Speaker 1>on the short term, but it's somehow reversed on the

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<v Speaker 1>long term. Natural selection introduces changes to a population subgroup

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<v Speaker 1>as they adapt to their environment, but the changes are

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<v Speaker 1>small the population subgroup can naturally breed with the original population.

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<v Speaker 1>That is micro revolution. Once it changes are significant enough

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<v Speaker 1>that the subgroup can no longer naturally and successfully breed

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<v Speaker 1>with the parent population. The subgroup is considered a new species,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a special event, that it's macro evolution. To believe

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<v Speaker 1>in micro and not macro is to ignore how nature works.

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<v Speaker 1>Say you put two separate populations of the same species

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<v Speaker 1>put in very different environments. Each population would slowly adapt

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<v Speaker 1>to its new environment and change over time micro evolution,

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<v Speaker 1>each group will become better adapted to its new environment,

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<v Speaker 1>and the differences between the two groups will only grow

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<v Speaker 1>in time. However, if you don't believe in macro revolution,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't believe in new species. So you have to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that no matter how different each group becomes, nature

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<v Speaker 1>does not work like this. Also, the previous writer claimed

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<v Speaker 1>to be a creationist botanist, and that is like a

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<v Speaker 1>doctor that does not believe in germ theory. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>they might exist, but I would definitely take their expertise

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<v Speaker 1>with a large dose of salt. Quite a rebuttal. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't have a name. I feel bad, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just I'm gonna say thanks you, thanks Richard Dawkins.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that. So the evolutionists have rebutted, what say

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<v Speaker 1>you creationists? Let us know, and everybody stopped tweeting and

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<v Speaker 1>sending emails about how dare we put a creationists views

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<v Speaker 1>on and listener mail? Yeah. Yeah, it's no way to

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<v Speaker 1>go through life trying to silence your opponents. Yeah, your

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<v Speaker 1>debate and engage. I was surprised there were a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people that said you shouldn't give equal time to

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff because it's just not true. Yeah. Somebody said, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought discovery stood for something interesting. Yeah, well, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I think debate is healthy and they think you're not

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<v Speaker 1>right either, So like you know, yep, debate is healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck exactly. Um. If not, Bill and I wouldn't have

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