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That was My Moments Now with interviews, 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:16.160 analysis and everything going on in the world of foxing. 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:19.800 When you have talent, you are given another chance. Here's 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:24.839 Chris mann X joining me now on the podcast. He 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:30.600 is the former Junior Middleweight Champion, the Contender champion of 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:34.800 Season one, where the finals were seen by over twelve 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:39.800 million people. He is the star of the Zone broadcasting team. 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:45.760 He is Sergio Mora. Wow. Yeah, thank you, thank you 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:47.720 very much. I think I deserve that. And you know what, 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:50.600 I might not just I was gonna read a statement, 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:54.160 you're gonna statement. I might recant the statement now because 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.560 of that intro. It's good intro. Damn good intro. About 0:01:57.600 --> 0:01:59.919 time you recognize rue. But I'm still gonna give my statement. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.680 You know you are. So. This will be my final 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.520 appearance on the Chris Manic podcast. This is the last 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:07.919 time I grace you and your listeners with my informative 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.840 insights and boxing knowledge. For you, Chris mannis don't pay 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.000 enough money and yet you take all the credit and ratings. 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.600 This will be my last appearance. I am not appreciated 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:23.560 or properly compensated. Enjoy everyone for the record. You still 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:27.800 owe me money, so you are properly compensated, all right? 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.440 On your last appearance on the show, which is not 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.000 we are going to talk about what we saw last 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.760 weekend with the regious program. I'm gonna look ahead to 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.359 what we are going to see this weekend with Chuckle 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:43.280 l Tito Versus Astrada Part three. Later in the show, 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.960 Tyson Fury, the heavyweight champion of the world. He joins 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.480 me to talk about his upcoming fight and tell us 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:53.919 what he'd be doing if he was not boxing right now. 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:57.000 Interesting answer there from Tyson Fury. But first, Sergio're gonna 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:00.799 stay in the heavyweight division and look act on what 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:04.919 was a pretty disappointing weekend for Dillian White. Dillian White, 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:08.880 former title challenger, coming off the loss to Tyson Fury 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:14.679 last spring, he faced Jermaine Franklin in what everyone anticipated 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.919 to be just a shake off the rust type of fight. 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:22.040 Franklin was undefeated, but he was completely untested. Instead, it 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:24.079 turned out to be a nip and tuck fight all 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.960 the way to the end. White gets the decision, but 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.080 he was far from impressive, at least to my eyes. 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:33.480 What did you say, You're harder impressed? Jermaine Franklin was 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.800 a good fighter, really good fighter, but he's just too 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.880 small for the division. He reminds me of Wade White 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:40.680 on that night. Yeah, but he's just shorter. I mean, 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:43.200 in this age of heavyweights, you gotta be at least 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.960 six ft four. Franklin down the beach Bridge weight. I 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.000 just don't think he's gonna have the size to compete 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:51.760 with these monsters at heavyweight. And Dillian White what six 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.320 ft four and he's fought the monsters before. I thought 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.280 White he got it out a damn good performances against 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.440 a real good fighter. And Franklin, I don't think that's 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.640 good before by White, did you? I I love the 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:06.360 body shots, I like the game plan, the toughness. Believe me. Look, 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.440 Franklin is a good fighter. You know what. He reminded 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.640 me of Curtis Stevens. He was. He was like a 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:13.960 bigger version of Curtis Stevens. He's just too small for 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.200 the weight division. Stevens gave everyone a hard time at middleweight. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.800 He just couldn't beat the big guys at middleweight. Franklin 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.080 is gonna be the exact same way as the combinations 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:24.960 Uh the hooks he he hurt Dillian White. I think 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.200 it was in the ninth round with that overhand right, 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:28.720 if he would have had ten seconds, if I would 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.480 end their knockout. But that's boxing for you. So I 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:35.400 was impressed with Franklin's performance against a very tough UH 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.440 title challenger who's only lost to the best in championship 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.760 level and White. But I think Franklin is not a 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.279 legitimate heavyweight. I don't think in this era he's gonna 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:46.800 be able to win a title at heavyweight. So yeah, Bridges, 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:51.679 Bridger wait is his future. Credit to Franklin for exceeding expectations. 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.560 But I thought Dylian White looked old. You know, he's 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.080 thirty five, He's been through some tough fights, has been 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:00.400 knocked out before this in two of his previous three fights. 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.320 He looked like a guy that was shop worn at 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.800 that point. And that's what makes for exciting. Wasn't it exciting? 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.280 Was it an entertaining fight? It was interesting, entertaining. I 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.200 thought it was an entertaining A couple of times, like 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.840 the ninth round, Franklin hurt White, he got hurt, ended, 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.479 it ended in excitement. It was an entertaining fight. I 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:20.120 believe it wasn't a classic sluck fest. I was entertained. 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:24.720 There was there was moments of Dillian White. I mean 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.480 he two accident body shots. He had a good game 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:29.680 plan as well, because Franklin was wait waiting to check 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.760 hook and CounterPunch White. So White kept doing that right 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:34.480 hand to the mid section and the gut, and that 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:37.960 kept the left hook and check. Dillian White's a very 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.280 smart fighter. He's never gonna win a championship. And yes 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.200 he's past his prime, but he's still entertaining. He's still 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.799 gonna get the calls. I mean, look at your sorrow. 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:50.479 He's fighting Tyson Fury. So so nowadays, guys like that, 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.400 they have a name, they're they're they're certified tough guys. 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:55.280 They've been to the top. They're always going to be 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.000 able to make money. And Dillian White is still in there. 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:01.200 He still has another payday coming. We'll get to Tyson 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.000 Fury and Dirt Store, but I'm prepared to say so 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.560 is probably going to get steamrolled in that fight. Um, 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:11.560 you have long been a advocate for not changing trainers. 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.279 You know, you were with Dean Campos virtually your entire career. 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.520 You've you've always been a loyalty guy, a belief that 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:21.600 the right guy works. This was the first fight for 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.560 Dillian White and Buddy mcgart and to my eyes, Sergio, 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.440 it didn't work. Like Buddy mcgart who has one of 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.680 those voices that you can hear from every corner of 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:34.239 an arena, came through the TV screaming stuff at Dillian White, 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.720 use the jab, used that crab defense that protected him 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:40.960 from the uppercuts, and it just seemed to me that 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:45.320 Dillian was resisting the entire fight, like he just wasn't responding. 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.359 You didn't want to respond to Buddy mcgarten as he 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.840 kind of moved this forward. I wonder Buddy McGraw is 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:52.960 the right guy for him. You know. The one time 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:56.480 that I considered leaving Dean compos I called Buddy mcgrerat. 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.560 Really I didn't know that about you, Yeah, it did. 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:03.159 That's the one withness after the Brian Vera first one 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:05.760 I think it was the first one er. Yeah, one 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:09.400 of those, and it was Brian. Buddy mcgret. I just 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:10.920 shot him a text and he goes, yeah, man, I 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:12.760 would love to train you have non usance, you know. 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.480 Two thousand one, two thousand two. Whatever. Anyway, I'm a 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.000 big fan of Buddy mcgrett because he was an excellent 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.200 box I mean you watched his fights with Simon Brown, 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.920 you you realize, like, wow, that's Buddy mcgrett. Hall of Famer, 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.440 two division Ship too division champion any and he and 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:29.760 he's going to Hall of Fame as a trainer too. 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:36.600 I believe, I'm not I'm not blaming Buddy mcgrett for anything. 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:41.080 I just think he got lost in translation. Buddy mcgert um, 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:42.880 he did well with Covid lev and that. You know, 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.160 they had different backgrounds, but I just think they were 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.000 lost in translation. Dealing White is already an old horse. 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:50.760 And I know they say you can't teach new dogs 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.320 new tricks. Well, ship horses are even harder to teach. 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.800 I mean they're they're more stubborn. Dealing White has been 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.120 successful and not successful in the championship level doing what 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:00.920 he does. He's a tough guy. He likes to mix 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:06.440 it up. Buddy mcgret has this um, defensive minded away 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:11.160 of boxing and fighting. Ah. He turns punchers into boxers. 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:12.680 He did it with or Tooto Gatti. He tried to 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.080 do it with the Crusher Covid left. So you know, 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.760 Dealian Whites a puncher. You gotta, you gotta if you 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.840 want to fight into your older thirties and continue making money, 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:24.000 you gotta become a boxer. And Dillian White just likes 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.080 to be a slugger. Yeah, and I think it's proven 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:30.600 if you listen to Buddy, there's positive results. I mean, 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.240 you mentioned Covid left. He didn't win that fight against Canelo, 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:35.720 but he fought exactly the way Buddy wanted him to, 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.560 and it was close on the cards before Cannello knocked 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.440 him out. Covid left through hundreds of jabs in that fight. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.199 I can still hear in my ear the sound of 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.000 Buddy mcgart yelling at Dillian White to throw more jabs. 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.600 And Dillian White has the frame to be a good 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:55.520 jab puncher, incredibly long. Here's the great wingspans in boxing. Like, 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.920 if Dillian White will listen to Buddy, then that pairent 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:00.520 can work. But I don't come up way from that fight, 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.079 Surgio thinking Dillian and Buddy around the same page. You 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:04.880 nailed it right on the head right there. And that 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.120 has to do with with character. And I like to 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.679 talk a lot about character and fighters, because look, if 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.200 you're not gonna mesh with somebody's personality, you're not gonna 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.800 mess with them in training. Buddy mcgrett I got to 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.840 know him well when he trained Fernomal Vargas for anomal argains. 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.679 You know, he moved trainers and he went with Buddy 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:22.840 mcgret for one time. And that's when I got to 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.800 know Buddy and and and Fernando him didn't mix. Fernando 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.080 was an offensive minded fighter. He was a gritty, ballsy fighter. 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.120 He liked mixing it up. Buddy brings a little defense 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.959 to the table. He wants to extend careers. And everyone 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:39.680 that he's that he's actually been successful with, he extended 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.599 their careers. It didn't work with Fernomo because Ronaldo just 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:44.720 doesn't have that personality. But that's where I got to 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:46.640 know Buddy, and I realized that, damn man, this guy's 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.439 a hell. Not only was he a hell of a fighter, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:50.400 but a hell of a trainer. And I kept that 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.920 in my memory bank, like, man, if every something that 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:55.679 ever happens with me and my train and this guy 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:57.920 go with the sure enough. Fifteen years later, I shot 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.440 him a text and then it happened material I but 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.640 I respect Buddy a lot. Why didn't happen because Dean's 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.400 the man. Dean composes the man. I mean he uh, 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.240 he knows his strategies. It's just, uh, you know, when 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.800 you lose, you gotta blame someone. And that's how it is. 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.200 That's how it is in boxing. You know, sometimes fighters 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:17.520 and trainers, especially new pairents, don't work. I mean, Emanuel 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:19.480 Stewart's one of the great trainers of all time. He 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.880 was oiling water with McGill coto when they trained together. 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.679 Freddie Roach has worked with some great fighters, but him 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.640 and Vladimir Klitschko wasn't the same as him in many 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.680 patio sometimes it just doesn't work out. I do wonder 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:32.840 if Buddy and Dillian are the right match. But to 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.800 spend this forward like we're gonna get Dillian White versus 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:40.079 Anthony Joshua. But I don't walk away from White Franklin 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.240 thinking White josh was going to be competitive. I mean, 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:45.360 even if it's a diminished version of Joshua, I think 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.280 he's just gonna walk right through Billian White. I don't 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.520 know if you think you're wrong, No, really, because Dillian 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.160 White always he's always in a good fight, even in 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.480 his losses where he came up short. Maybe except for 0:10:55.520 --> 0:11:00.680 the Tyson Fury one, but against uh Joshua. Again, it 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.320 wasn't really competitive fight against Joshua, but he was slinging 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.720 the punch, he was killing in him. He was it 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.040 was It was an entertaining fight. There was interesting moments 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.040 in that in that fight. And what was his other loss. 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:14.240 It was Tyson furious Joshua and Pevekan. He came back 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:17.640 and started Pevekan. So I don't think he was winning 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.599 the fight against exactly. So he's only lost on the 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.600 championship level. So I think he fights Joshua. You're wrong, then, 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.920 I think he he brings that motivation and everything he 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:32.080 learned from those championship losses and experience against a vulnerable 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:36.280 mentally be mentally vulnerable fighter in Joshua coming off a loss. 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:38.560 We don't know what he's gonna have. Yeah, man, I 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.440 like that fight. I think if this was five years ago, 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:43.559 I probably agree with you. But I think at thirty 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:45.679 five years old and having been knocked out in two 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.280 of his last four fights, I think there's not a 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.320 lot left at least the high level from Dillian White. 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:55.559 A better fight this past weekend was Regius Pro Gray 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:59.720 against Jose's a pay to Progray. For some reason has 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.719 been just ignored by the major promoters, like can't get 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.080 a deal with match Room, can't get a deal with 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.240 Top Rank, can't get a deal with Golden Boy. Before 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.280 the Zapeta fight, Sergio, he had fought one time in 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:14.120 the last three years, three times in the last three years, 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:18.400 and I've always wondered why, Like this is a entertaining 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:24.559 American power puncher, Like why was this guy not welcomed 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:29.200 into the club of top guys at one seven? Then 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.480 he goes out against the Peta and shows me why 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:36.400 I'm right in a way because he was. It was entertaining, 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:40.280 he dominated, and he had a spectacular finish at the end. 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.800 I think right now, and one forty is one of 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.000 the best divisions in boxing. I think right now you 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.040 can make the argument that the best guy at one 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.640 forty is Regius Program. He was nip and tuck with 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.160 Josh Taylor, lost a close fight over in the UK 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.679 against Josh Taylor, and then he goes out and just 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.520 stops the pay to a guy that's one some pretty 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.800 high level fights over the last few years. Is Regius 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.600 pro grade. Now the man at one forty, he's number two. 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.360 The man is Josh Taylor. The man is the man, 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.280 the man that beat programs. I mean it was a 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:17.200 very close, what split decision, But look at Josh Taylor, 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.640 another guy that's inactive and kind of going under the 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:24.040 radar as far as bad win. But look at who 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:27.640 he's fought. His last six opponents have been undefeated opponents. 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:31.719 What is it? Jack Catterall undefeated, ramire Is undefeated, Kansong undefeated, 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:35.880 Regius program defeated Baron Check undefeated, That Martin character undefeated, 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:41.280 Victor Posto. Come on, that's a great, great resume. You 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.880 give me another undisputed champion, another champion that has that 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.880 kind of a record, back to back to back undefeated fighters. 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.000 You're not getting it. So Progray is the man at 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.120 one forty, he's now a two time champion, and I 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.520 agree with you. How he's flown under the radar so long, 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:58.040 I don't get it. I think lud de Bella promoted him. 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.840 So he did have a major promoter under Lose, a 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.240 very big promoter, But he doesn't have kind of the 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.320 power anymore that some of these because the network TV deals. 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.439 That's what it comes down to, Okay, the network, So 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.160 you know, there's so many networks. I just think Progray 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.880 is uh He's a man that that I really like. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.200 I really like Progray not only is fighting style, but 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.360 outside the ring, the way he carries himself, the way 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.360 he's like, he's an excellent champion. I just think he's uh. Well, 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.080 when he's a southpap, a lot of you know, promoters 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.520 kind of like pushing other you know, they try to 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:35.400 avoid Southpalls. It's hard to match them. Um, and he's 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:37.920 just a damn good fighter man, a damn good fighter 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.760 that they're on to probably market him and moving well. 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.360 But after this performance was a pay to you can 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.800 bet that you know people are gonna allow everyone damn 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.160 to damn line up for the opportunity to fight him. 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:55.800 And it's my understanding that Jose Ramirez and his team 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.760 do not want to face Pro Gray in their next fight. 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.720 I think there's gonna be something a little softer. Jose 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.560 ramires but off for a while at this point, but 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.960 if he passes, then you could be looking at Pro Greg. 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:11.480 It's ta Femo Lopez in the first half TENXT year. 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:15.800 Tafimo Lopez is next in line as mandatory challenge. I 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:17.880 talked to a female this week and he said, if 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.480 that fight is offered to him, if he beats Sando 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:22.960 Martine in a week, he will take that fight. And 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:25.800 I hope he's right. Hope, I hope he Top Rank 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.440 and everybody wants because that's another great and it's a 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:30.640 fight that can be made because Program would is as 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:34.480 a free agent. He's a free agent, so showing the 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:39.160 money ESPN and Top Rank have the money, TiO Fimo 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.360 Lopez and him will be explosive. That would be a 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.560 great fight. I mean, yeah, sign me up for that one, 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.080 UM and you know, be a food will title find 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.680 Now that Program is a champion, so TiO female is 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:53.880 going to have all the incentive to actually have to 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.880 take a chance with a with a hard punching, very 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.440 good south Paul that's now a champion. So I love 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.760 that fight bringing it on. It's such a great division 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.640 right now because you've got the guys that are there 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:10.160 pro Gray Taylor, Ramirez, Lopez. Then you've got the guys 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:11.920 that are going to be there in the next six 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:15.200 months to a year, Ryan Garcia, Devin Haney, maybe some 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.960 others at one thirty. It's a fantastic division that I 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.480 hope these fights, UM all get made. I think they 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.840 can be made because the politics are a little cleaner 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.280 with with some of this stuff. Yeah, but the question 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.800 was he number one, and I say no, Rue is 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:31.920 number two. Yeah, which is fair. I think it's fair. 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:34.360 He lost the fight, and I don't think there's any 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.120 real disputingly lost. The fight was very close, but he 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.400 lost that fight. All right, let's talk about some of 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.320 the fights we have coming up this weekend. Tyson Fury 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.760 is over in the UK taking on Derksa. He's got 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:46.760 a lot of heat for this fight. Sergio like he's 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:50.760 gotten some criticism for taking on I don't really blame 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:54.960 him for it because he did want to and tried 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.520 to make the fight against alexand Us, but Us said, 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:59.400 you know what, I'm gonna wait till early next year. 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.560 Let's minge rees heal. There were discussions for a fight 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:06.840 with Anthony Joshua, but come on, Like, making Joshua against 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.520 Fury in like six weeks didn't make any sense. You 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.879 need Joshua to get a win and then next summer, 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.080 if Fury is undisputed at heavyweight and Joshua was on 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.400 like a two fight winning streak, you can that that's 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:19.720 still once again, the biggest fight you can make in 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:21.439 all of boxing. So I don't know about you, but 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.400 I didn't have a real problem with Esora ass. Yes 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:26.600 you did, Yes you did. We did it in an 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.440 episode of Jabs when you asked me who should Tyson 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.600 Fury stay busy with? I said, and said, what for what? 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.000 It's it's a neat. I'm going to bring it up again. 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.720 But said on one episode of Jabs, makes no sense. 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.560 I said, absolutely, it makes sense. He always comes to fight. 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.639 I mean, that's war Sasa. People love him in England. 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:46.560 He can pack out a crowd. It's to stay busy. 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.520 Fight better than being inactive waiting for better than fighting 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:54.760 some unknown German. And you shat, I did not shichat 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.359 past tense chat on that matchup. And you said, no, 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.760 oh they's already been He's already beating him twice. We 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.520 no one wants to watch. Now you're recanting, that's the word, 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.840 recanting what you said on Jacks. I'm gonna have Bob 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.960 our producer bring that up because on Jabs you shat 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.200 on that fight. I said, no, man, it's stay busy, 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:16.840 stay working. People love just so or it makes sense 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:21.720 until Wilder Joshua or Us become available and the Gypsy 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.440 King gets that on another a side a side versus 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.760 a side, and so then fits the bill. You can 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:31.800 have Bob find the clip on your computer, which doesn't work. 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.560 You're like Handsel from Zoolander with that computer. It's in 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.840 the computer. Yeah, you know what. And I'm glad I'm 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:41.359 raising my kids that way, anti computer, anti iPad, because 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.840 they're gonna be articulate. They're gonna remember phone numbers and 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:45.960 they're gonna remember names. I have a great memory. You 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:47.439 don't remember any of those things. Yeah, but I got 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:51.720 hit in the head for twenty three years. I look 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.560 Fury my opinion right now, I Fury can do whatever 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:56.080 he wants with this fight. He wants to stay busy, 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:58.120 he wants to keep fighting. Next year, he's gonna fight, 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:02.000 is gonna be ringside for a few reversus uh Us 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.320 has never priced himself out of a fight. So what's 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.159 gonna happen? So March April next year, we get that 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:10.000 fight and then Fury. Maybe it's Wilder, although I think 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:11.560 that's kind of crazy. I don't need to see Fury 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:14.800 Wilder four. Frankly, at this point, maybe it's Joshua. That's 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:16.560 what we said about the third one. At least I 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.520 did I know it turned out to be a great fight. 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:21.400 I think it's interesting. Not to go off topic here, 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:23.240 but I think it's interesting see that Wilder and his 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.800 team are now giddy about the idea of facing josh 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.760 They don't want to face Andy Ruiz, that's fine, they 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.600 want to face Joshua, Yeah, because that's Andy Ruiz is 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.200 just wrong for every heavywhere because he's just his hands 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.399 are so fast, and he has he has a Mexican 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:38.639 style in the heavyweight division, with which is unheard of 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.560 because Mexicans don't grow that big, and then he has 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.160 fast hands and now he has the experience, he has 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.919 a confidence. He's a former heavyweight champion. So if I 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:50.600 was Wilder's management, I think Shelley thinkle stay all away 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:54.760 from from Mexican Rocky there Andy Ruiz, Yeah, he's all 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.720 wrong for you. But um, I love I love that 0:19:57.760 --> 0:19:59.800 rematch again. I mean, I know I said adn't want 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:03.040 the third one, but after seeing that trilogy, they're gonna 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.000 be like the next Marcus Pakia, Like we don't want 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:07.520 to see it, but then when it happens, like I 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.080 want to see it again. You know, with a lot 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:12.320 of head punched from two big men. That's a lot 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:14.760 of beatings that are being heard businessman in that fight. 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:16.640 Yeah it is. And you do it once, that's great, 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.040 you do it four times? Yeah, but you do it 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.120 four times getting paid forty million dollars or whatever they're 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:24.480 getting paid. So it's worth it's worth those beatings. May 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:26.000