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Speaker 1: we are going to talk about what we saw last
Speaker 1: weekend with the regious program. I'm gonna look ahead to
Speaker 1: what we are going to see this weekend with Chuckle
Speaker 1: l Tito Versus Astrada Part three. Later in the show,
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury, the heavyweight champion of the world. He joins
Speaker 1: me to talk about his upcoming fight and tell us
Speaker 1: what he'd be doing if he was not boxing right now.
Speaker 1: Interesting answer there from Tyson Fury. But first, Sergio're gonna
Speaker 1: stay in the heavyweight division and look act on what
Speaker 1: was a pretty disappointing weekend for Dillian White. Dillian White,
Speaker 1: former title challenger, coming off the loss to Tyson Fury
Speaker 1: last spring, he faced Jermaine Franklin in what everyone anticipated
Speaker 1: to be just a shake off the rust type of fight.
Speaker 1: Franklin was undefeated, but he was completely untested. Instead, it
Speaker 1: turned out to be a nip and tuck fight all
Speaker 1: the way to the end. White gets the decision, but
Speaker 1: he was far from impressive, at least to my eyes.
Speaker 1: What did you say, You're harder impressed? Jermaine Franklin was
Speaker 1: a good fighter, really good fighter, but he's just too
Speaker 1: small for the division. He reminds me of Wade White
Speaker 1: on that night. Yeah, but he's just shorter. I mean,
Speaker 1: in this age of heavyweights, you gotta be at least
Speaker 1: six ft four. Franklin down the beach Bridge weight. I
Speaker 1: just don't think he's gonna have the size to compete
Speaker 1: with these monsters at heavyweight. And Dillian White what six
Speaker 1: ft four and he's fought the monsters before. I thought
Speaker 1: White he got it out a damn good performances against
Speaker 1: a real good fighter. And Franklin, I don't think that's
Speaker 1: good before by White, did you? I I love the
Speaker 1: body shots, I like the game plan, the toughness. Believe me. Look,
Speaker 1: Franklin is a good fighter. You know what. He reminded
Speaker 1: me of Curtis Stevens. He was. He was like a
Speaker 1: bigger version of Curtis Stevens. He's just too small for
Speaker 1: the weight division. Stevens gave everyone a hard time at middleweight.
Speaker 1: He just couldn't beat the big guys at middleweight. Franklin
Speaker 1: is gonna be the exact same way as the combinations
Speaker 1: Uh the hooks he he hurt Dillian White. I think
Speaker 1: it was in the ninth round with that overhand right,
Speaker 1: if he would have had ten seconds, if I would
Speaker 1: end their knockout. But that's boxing for you. So I
Speaker 1: was impressed with Franklin's performance against a very tough UH
Speaker 1: title challenger who's only lost to the best in championship
Speaker 1: level and White. But I think Franklin is not a
Speaker 1: legitimate heavyweight. I don't think in this era he's gonna
Speaker 1: be able to win a title at heavyweight. So yeah, Bridges,
Speaker 1: Bridger wait is his future. Credit to Franklin for exceeding expectations.
Speaker 1: But I thought Dylian White looked old. You know, he's
Speaker 1: thirty five, He's been through some tough fights, has been
Speaker 1: knocked out before this in two of his previous three fights.
Speaker 1: He looked like a guy that was shop worn at
Speaker 1: that point. And that's what makes for exciting. Wasn't it exciting?
Speaker 1: Was it an entertaining fight? It was interesting, entertaining. I
Speaker 1: thought it was an entertaining A couple of times, like
Speaker 1: the ninth round, Franklin hurt White, he got hurt, ended,
Speaker 1: it ended in excitement. It was an entertaining fight. I
Speaker 1: believe it wasn't a classic sluck fest. I was entertained.
Speaker 1: There was there was moments of Dillian White. I mean
Speaker 1: he two accident body shots. He had a good game
Speaker 1: plan as well, because Franklin was wait waiting to check
Speaker 1: hook and CounterPunch White. So White kept doing that right
Speaker 1: hand to the mid section and the gut, and that
Speaker 1: kept the left hook and check. Dillian White's a very
Speaker 1: smart fighter. He's never gonna win a championship. And yes
Speaker 1: he's past his prime, but he's still entertaining. He's still
Speaker 1: gonna get the calls. I mean, look at your sorrow.
Speaker 1: He's fighting Tyson Fury. So so nowadays, guys like that,
Speaker 1: they have a name, they're they're they're certified tough guys.
Speaker 1: They've been to the top. They're always going to be
Speaker 1: able to make money. And Dillian White is still in there.
Speaker 1: He still has another payday coming. We'll get to Tyson
Speaker 1: Fury and Dirt Store, but I'm prepared to say so
Speaker 1: is probably going to get steamrolled in that fight. Um,
Speaker 1: you have long been a advocate for not changing trainers.
Speaker 1: You know, you were with Dean Campos virtually your entire career.
Speaker 1: You've you've always been a loyalty guy, a belief that
Speaker 1: the right guy works. This was the first fight for
Speaker 1: Dillian White and Buddy mcgart and to my eyes, Sergio,
Speaker 1: it didn't work. Like Buddy mcgart who has one of
Speaker 1: those voices that you can hear from every corner of
Speaker 1: an arena, came through the TV screaming stuff at Dillian White,
Speaker 1: use the jab, used that crab defense that protected him
Speaker 1: from the uppercuts, and it just seemed to me that
Speaker 1: Dillian was resisting the entire fight, like he just wasn't responding.
Speaker 1: You didn't want to respond to Buddy mcgarten as he
Speaker 1: kind of moved this forward. I wonder Buddy McGraw is
Speaker 1: the right guy for him. You know. The one time
Speaker 1: that I considered leaving Dean compos I called Buddy mcgrerat.
Speaker 1: Really I didn't know that about you, Yeah, it did.
Speaker 1: That's the one withness after the Brian Vera first one
Speaker 1: I think it was the first one er. Yeah, one
Speaker 1: of those, and it was Brian. Buddy mcgret. I just
Speaker 1: shot him a text and he goes, yeah, man, I
Speaker 1: would love to train you have non usance, you know.
Speaker 1: Two thousand one, two thousand two. Whatever. Anyway, I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of Buddy mcgrett because he was an excellent
Speaker 1: box I mean you watched his fights with Simon Brown,
Speaker 1: you you realize, like, wow, that's Buddy mcgrett. Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: two division Ship too division champion any and he and
Speaker 1: he's going to Hall of Fame as a trainer too.
Speaker 1: I believe, I'm not I'm not blaming Buddy mcgrett for anything.
Speaker 1: I just think he got lost in translation. Buddy mcgert um,
Speaker 1: he did well with Covid lev and that. You know,
Speaker 1: they had different backgrounds, but I just think they were
Speaker 1: lost in translation. Dealing White is already an old horse.
Speaker 1: And I know they say you can't teach new dogs
Speaker 1: new tricks. Well, ship horses are even harder to teach.
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're more stubborn. Dealing White has been
Speaker 1: successful and not successful in the championship level doing what
Speaker 1: he does. He's a tough guy. He likes to mix
Speaker 1: it up. Buddy mcgret has this um, defensive minded away
Speaker 1: of boxing and fighting. Ah. He turns punchers into boxers.
Speaker 1: He did it with or Tooto Gatti. He tried to
Speaker 1: do it with the Crusher Covid left. So you know,
Speaker 1: Dealian Whites a puncher. You gotta, you gotta if you
Speaker 1: want to fight into your older thirties and continue making money,
Speaker 1: you gotta become a boxer. And Dillian White just likes
Speaker 1: to be a slugger. Yeah, and I think it's proven
Speaker 1: if you listen to Buddy, there's positive results. I mean,
Speaker 1: you mentioned Covid left. He didn't win that fight against Canelo,
Speaker 1: but he fought exactly the way Buddy wanted him to,
Speaker 1: and it was close on the cards before Cannello knocked
Speaker 1: him out. Covid left through hundreds of jabs in that fight.
Speaker 1: I can still hear in my ear the sound of
Speaker 1: Buddy mcgart yelling at Dillian White to throw more jabs.
Speaker 1: And Dillian White has the frame to be a good
Speaker 1: jab puncher, incredibly long. Here's the great wingspans in boxing. Like,
Speaker 1: if Dillian White will listen to Buddy, then that pairent
Speaker 1: can work. But I don't come up way from that fight,
Speaker 1: Surgio thinking Dillian and Buddy around the same page. You
Speaker 1: nailed it right on the head right there. And that
Speaker 1: has to do with with character. And I like to
Speaker 1: talk a lot about character and fighters, because look, if
Speaker 1: you're not gonna mesh with somebody's personality, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: mess with them in training. Buddy mcgrett I got to
Speaker 1: know him well when he trained Fernomal Vargas for anomal argains.
Speaker 1: You know, he moved trainers and he went with Buddy
Speaker 1: mcgret for one time. And that's when I got to
Speaker 1: know Buddy and and and Fernando him didn't mix. Fernando
Speaker 1: was an offensive minded fighter. He was a gritty, ballsy fighter.
Speaker 1: He liked mixing it up. Buddy brings a little defense
Speaker 1: to the table. He wants to extend careers. And everyone
Speaker 1: that he's that he's actually been successful with, he extended
Speaker 1: their careers. It didn't work with Fernomo because Ronaldo just
Speaker 1: doesn't have that personality. But that's where I got to
Speaker 1: know Buddy, and I realized that, damn man, this guy's
Speaker 1: a hell. Not only was he a hell of a fighter,
Speaker 1: but a hell of a trainer. And I kept that
Speaker 1: in my memory bank, like, man, if every something that
Speaker 1: ever happens with me and my train and this guy
Speaker 1: go with the sure enough. Fifteen years later, I shot
Speaker 1: him a text and then it happened material I but
Speaker 1: I respect Buddy a lot. Why didn't happen because Dean's
Speaker 1: the man. Dean composes the man. I mean he uh,
Speaker 1: he knows his strategies. It's just, uh, you know, when
Speaker 1: you lose, you gotta blame someone. And that's how it is.
Speaker 1: That's how it is in boxing. You know, sometimes fighters
Speaker 1: and trainers, especially new pairents, don't work. I mean, Emanuel
Speaker 1: Stewart's one of the great trainers of all time. He
Speaker 1: was oiling water with McGill coto when they trained together.
Speaker 1: Freddie Roach has worked with some great fighters, but him
Speaker 1: and Vladimir Klitschko wasn't the same as him in many
Speaker 1: patio sometimes it just doesn't work out. I do wonder
Speaker 1: if Buddy and Dillian are the right match. But to
Speaker 1: spend this forward like we're gonna get Dillian White versus
Speaker 1: Anthony Joshua. But I don't walk away from White Franklin
Speaker 1: thinking White josh was going to be competitive. I mean,
Speaker 1: even if it's a diminished version of Joshua, I think
Speaker 1: he's just gonna walk right through Billian White. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you think you're wrong, No, really, because Dillian
Speaker 1: White always he's always in a good fight, even in
Speaker 1: his losses where he came up short. Maybe except for
Speaker 1: the Tyson Fury one, but against uh Joshua. Again, it
Speaker 1: wasn't really competitive fight against Joshua, but he was slinging
Speaker 1: the punch, he was killing in him. He was it
Speaker 1: was It was an entertaining fight. There was interesting moments
Speaker 1: in that in that fight. And what was his other loss.
Speaker 1: It was Tyson furious Joshua and Pevekan. He came back
Speaker 1: and started Pevekan. So I don't think he was winning
Speaker 1: the fight against exactly. So he's only lost on the
Speaker 1: championship level. So I think he fights Joshua. You're wrong, then,
Speaker 1: I think he he brings that motivation and everything he
Speaker 1: learned from those championship losses and experience against a vulnerable
Speaker 1: mentally be mentally vulnerable fighter in Joshua coming off a loss.
Speaker 1: We don't know what he's gonna have. Yeah, man, I
Speaker 1: like that fight. I think if this was five years ago,
Speaker 1: I probably agree with you. But I think at thirty
Speaker 1: five years old and having been knocked out in two
Speaker 1: of his last four fights, I think there's not a
Speaker 1: lot left at least the high level from Dillian White.
Speaker 1: A better fight this past weekend was Regius Pro Gray
Speaker 1: against Jose's a pay to Progray. For some reason has
Speaker 1: been just ignored by the major promoters, like can't get
Speaker 1: a deal with match Room, can't get a deal with
Speaker 1: Top Rank, can't get a deal with Golden Boy. Before
Speaker 1: the Zapeta fight, Sergio, he had fought one time in
Speaker 1: the last three years, three times in the last three years,
Speaker 1: and I've always wondered why, Like this is a entertaining
Speaker 1: American power puncher, Like why was this guy not welcomed
Speaker 1: into the club of top guys at one seven? Then
Speaker 1: he goes out against the Peta and shows me why
Speaker 1: I'm right in a way because he was. It was entertaining,
Speaker 1: he dominated, and he had a spectacular finish at the end.
Speaker 1: I think right now, and one forty is one of
Speaker 1: the best divisions in boxing. I think right now you
Speaker 1: can make the argument that the best guy at one
Speaker 1: forty is Regius Program. He was nip and tuck with
Speaker 1: Josh Taylor, lost a close fight over in the UK
Speaker 1: against Josh Taylor, and then he goes out and just
Speaker 1: stops the pay to a guy that's one some pretty
Speaker 1: high level fights over the last few years. Is Regius
Speaker 1: pro grade. Now the man at one forty, he's number two.
Speaker 1: The man is Josh Taylor. The man is the man,
Speaker 1: the man that beat programs. I mean it was a
Speaker 1: very close, what split decision, But look at Josh Taylor,
Speaker 1: another guy that's inactive and kind of going under the
Speaker 1: radar as far as bad win. But look at who
Speaker 1: he's fought. His last six opponents have been undefeated opponents.
Speaker 1: What is it? Jack Catterall undefeated, ramire Is undefeated, Kansong undefeated,
Speaker 1: Regius program defeated Baron Check undefeated, That Martin character undefeated,
Speaker 1: Victor Posto. Come on, that's a great, great resume. You
Speaker 1: give me another undisputed champion, another champion that has that
Speaker 1: kind of a record, back to back to back undefeated fighters.
Speaker 1: You're not getting it. So Progray is the man at
Speaker 1: one forty, he's now a two time champion, and I
Speaker 1: agree with you. How he's flown under the radar so long,
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I think lud de Bella promoted him.
Speaker 1: So he did have a major promoter under Lose, a
Speaker 1: very big promoter, But he doesn't have kind of the
Speaker 1: power anymore that some of these because the network TV deals.
Speaker 1: That's what it comes down to, Okay, the network, So
Speaker 1: you know, there's so many networks. I just think Progray
Speaker 1: is uh He's a man that that I really like.
Speaker 1: I really like Progray not only is fighting style, but
Speaker 1: outside the ring, the way he carries himself, the way
Speaker 1: he's like, he's an excellent champion. I just think he's uh. Well,
Speaker 1: when he's a southpap, a lot of you know, promoters
Speaker 1: kind of like pushing other you know, they try to
Speaker 1: avoid Southpalls. It's hard to match them. Um, and he's
Speaker 1: just a damn good fighter man, a damn good fighter
Speaker 1: that they're on to probably market him and moving well.
Speaker 1: But after this performance was a pay to you can
Speaker 1: bet that you know people are gonna allow everyone damn
Speaker 1: to damn line up for the opportunity to fight him.
Speaker 1: And it's my understanding that Jose Ramirez and his team
Speaker 1: do not want to face Pro Gray in their next fight.
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be something a little softer. Jose
Speaker 1: ramires but off for a while at this point, but
Speaker 1: if he passes, then you could be looking at Pro Greg.
Speaker 1: It's ta Femo Lopez in the first half TENXT year.
Speaker 1: Tafimo Lopez is next in line as mandatory challenge. I
Speaker 1: talked to a female this week and he said, if
Speaker 1: that fight is offered to him, if he beats Sando
Speaker 1: Martine in a week, he will take that fight. And
Speaker 1: I hope he's right. Hope, I hope he Top Rank
Speaker 1: and everybody wants because that's another great and it's a
Speaker 1: fight that can be made because Program would is as
Speaker 1: a free agent. He's a free agent, so showing the
Speaker 1: money ESPN and Top Rank have the money, TiO Fimo
Speaker 1: Lopez and him will be explosive. That would be a
Speaker 1: great fight. I mean, yeah, sign me up for that one,
Speaker 1: UM and you know, be a food will title find
Speaker 1: Now that Program is a champion, so TiO female is
Speaker 1: going to have all the incentive to actually have to
Speaker 1: take a chance with a with a hard punching, very
Speaker 1: good south Paul that's now a champion. So I love
Speaker 1: that fight bringing it on. It's such a great division
Speaker 1: right now because you've got the guys that are there
Speaker 1: pro Gray Taylor, Ramirez, Lopez. Then you've got the guys
Speaker 1: that are going to be there in the next six
Speaker 1: months to a year, Ryan Garcia, Devin Haney, maybe some
Speaker 1: others at one thirty. It's a fantastic division that I
Speaker 1: hope these fights, UM all get made. I think they
Speaker 1: can be made because the politics are a little cleaner
Speaker 1: with with some of this stuff. Yeah, but the question
Speaker 1: was he number one, and I say no, Rue is
Speaker 1: number two. Yeah, which is fair. I think it's fair.
Speaker 1: He lost the fight, and I don't think there's any
Speaker 1: real disputingly lost. The fight was very close, but he
Speaker 1: lost that fight. All right, let's talk about some of
Speaker 1: the fights we have coming up this weekend. Tyson Fury
Speaker 1: is over in the UK taking on Derksa. He's got
Speaker 1: a lot of heat for this fight. Sergio like he's
Speaker 1: gotten some criticism for taking on I don't really blame
Speaker 1: him for it because he did want to and tried
Speaker 1: to make the fight against alexand Us, but Us said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna wait till early next year.
Speaker 1: Let's minge rees heal. There were discussions for a fight
Speaker 1: with Anthony Joshua, but come on, Like, making Joshua against
Speaker 1: Fury in like six weeks didn't make any sense. You
Speaker 1: need Joshua to get a win and then next summer,
Speaker 1: if Fury is undisputed at heavyweight and Joshua was on
Speaker 1: like a two fight winning streak, you can that that's
Speaker 1: still once again, the biggest fight you can make in
Speaker 1: all of boxing. So I don't know about you, but
Speaker 1: I didn't have a real problem with Esora ass. Yes
Speaker 1: you did, Yes you did. We did it in an
Speaker 1: episode of Jabs when you asked me who should Tyson
Speaker 1: Fury stay busy with? I said, and said, what for what?
Speaker 1: It's it's a neat. I'm going to bring it up again.
Speaker 1: But said on one episode of Jabs, makes no sense.
Speaker 1: I said, absolutely, it makes sense. He always comes to fight.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's war Sasa. People love him in England.
Speaker 1: He can pack out a crowd. It's to stay busy.
Speaker 1: Fight better than being inactive waiting for better than fighting
Speaker 1: some unknown German. And you shat, I did not shichat
Speaker 1: past tense chat on that matchup. And you said, no,
Speaker 1: oh they's already been He's already beating him twice. We
Speaker 1: no one wants to watch. Now you're recanting, that's the word,
Speaker 1: recanting what you said on Jacks. I'm gonna have Bob
Speaker 1: our producer bring that up because on Jabs you shat
Speaker 1: on that fight. I said, no, man, it's stay busy,
Speaker 1: stay working. People love just so or it makes sense
Speaker 1: until Wilder Joshua or Us become available and the Gypsy
Speaker 1: King gets that on another a side a side versus
Speaker 1: a side, and so then fits the bill. You can
Speaker 1: have Bob find the clip on your computer, which doesn't work.
Speaker 1: You're like Handsel from Zoolander with that computer. It's in
Speaker 1: the computer. Yeah, you know what. And I'm glad I'm
Speaker 1: raising my kids that way, anti computer, anti iPad, because
Speaker 1: they're gonna be articulate. They're gonna remember phone numbers and
Speaker 1: they're gonna remember names. I have a great memory. You
Speaker 1: don't remember any of those things. Yeah, but I got
Speaker 1: hit in the head for twenty three years. I look
Speaker 1: Fury my opinion right now, I Fury can do whatever
Speaker 1: he wants with this fight. He wants to stay busy,
Speaker 1: he wants to keep fighting. Next year, he's gonna fight,
Speaker 1: is gonna be ringside for a few reversus uh Us
Speaker 1: has never priced himself out of a fight. So what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen? So March April next year, we get that
Speaker 1: fight and then Fury. Maybe it's Wilder, although I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of crazy. I don't need to see Fury
Speaker 1: Wilder four. Frankly, at this point, maybe it's Joshua. That's
Speaker 1: what we said about the third one. At least I
Speaker 1: did I know it turned out to be a great fight.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. Not to go off topic here,
Speaker 1: but I think it's interesting see that Wilder and his
Speaker 1: team are now giddy about the idea of facing josh
Speaker 1: They don't want to face Andy Ruiz, that's fine, they
Speaker 1: want to face Joshua, Yeah, because that's Andy Ruiz is
Speaker 1: just wrong for every heavywhere because he's just his hands
Speaker 1: are so fast, and he has he has a Mexican
Speaker 1: style in the heavyweight division, with which is unheard of
Speaker 1: because Mexicans don't grow that big, and then he has
Speaker 1: fast hands and now he has the experience, he has
Speaker 1: a confidence. He's a former heavyweight champion. So if I
Speaker 1: was Wilder's management, I think Shelley thinkle stay all away
Speaker 1: from from Mexican Rocky there Andy Ruiz, Yeah, he's all
Speaker 1: wrong for you. But um, I love I love that
Speaker 1: rematch again. I mean, I know I said adn't want
Speaker 1: the third one, but after seeing that trilogy, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be like the next Marcus Pakia, Like we don't want
Speaker 1: to see it, but then when it happens, like I
Speaker 1: want to see it again. You know, with a lot
Speaker 1: of head punched from two big men. That's a lot
Speaker 1: of beatings that are being heard businessman in that fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. And you do it once, that's great,
Speaker 1: you do it four times? Yeah, but you do it
Speaker 1: four times getting paid forty million dollars or whatever they're
Speaker 1: getting paid. So it's worth it's worth those beatings. May
Speaker 1: wants that fighting, you can. I like that fight in
Speaker 1: the UK. You do enough enough times over the US.
Speaker 1: Do it wants in the UK? And look, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be commentating on a great trilogy. Is gonna go down
Speaker 1: in history. Now they're gonna be fighting for if they
Speaker 1: fight for a fourth time, it's going to go down
Speaker 1: in the history books. I mean, you can mention that
Speaker 1: trilogy alongside and I'm not exaggerating, alongside Ali Fraser, because
Speaker 1: it was classic trilogy, maybe not in name recognition and
Speaker 1: popularity around the world, but in what happened inside the
Speaker 1: ring and how memorable was it was incredible And it's
Speaker 1: just that. And then they captured the imagination of different
Speaker 1: demographic of fans and people and and and around the world.
Speaker 1: It was that it was an international it was a
Speaker 1: world heavyweight championship by the world. It wasn't just American
Speaker 1: versus American. Bring it on, I'll take the fourth fight.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Shocktostrada in one second, but
Speaker 1: I want to hear take on something that happened this week.
Speaker 1: Did you see the video that made the rounds of
Speaker 1: Carlos Padilla, the referee in the Pacquiao fight from two thousands, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was the referee who officially who also, by the way,
Speaker 1: you mentioned he did I believe the rumble of the
Speaker 1: jungle or the thrill of Manilla one of the alive
Speaker 1: Ali Frasier and Manilla um. He refereed a fight with
Speaker 1: Manny Patio involved in two thousand and he admitted to
Speaker 1: giving Pakia an eighteen count. This was two fights before
Speaker 1: Pakiao won a world title. Uh. And you know, I've
Speaker 1: seen clips of the video making the rounds on social media.
Speaker 1: I guess the WBC for some reason made it private.
Speaker 1: I don't really understand what that's all about. I have
Speaker 1: a huge problem with this, Sergio, like a big problem
Speaker 1: with this like this guy. I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: still in boxing, but should never be allowed. He should
Speaker 1: be treated like Panama Lewis like him, you should you
Speaker 1: gave it eighteen count to a fighter. I don't know
Speaker 1: what that. That's a little bit hard. I mean extreme there.
Speaker 1: I mean you go from a guy from that can
Speaker 1: that that took out Patty out of a glove and
Speaker 1: it was a known cheating punishment, be banned done. He's
Speaker 1: probably I think he's like eight years old, so he's
Speaker 1: probably doing anything. I mean banded, yes, but uh maybe
Speaker 1: suspended but yeffort band. He's already retired band. Someone should
Speaker 1: sue him. It's like when you're at the edge of
Speaker 1: death and then you want to recan't everything you did
Speaker 1: wrong just for you can go into the pearly gates.
Speaker 1: I think Padilla wanted to get that off the shoulder.
Speaker 1: They can't. As much as it is unburdened, unburdened confessed.
Speaker 1: You don't want that Burdena didn't want that burden. A
Speaker 1: lot of tough shit like you can confess, but there's
Speaker 1: a consequence to it. There's a price you have to pay.
Speaker 1: Ban up eight year old that. I wouldn't let him
Speaker 1: sniff another boxing an official boxing related event. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even let him get tickets to any kind of fight.
Speaker 1: Ever again, what a scumbag? Like an absolute scumbag forgiven
Speaker 1: an eighteen count to many pack that we said that people,
Speaker 1: I guess that the US told him. You know, Pat
Speaker 1: has got big things ahead of him moving forward. Get
Speaker 1: the funk out. How about eighteen counts? How about the
Speaker 1: who refereed Buster Douglas Tyson? I mean, that was a
Speaker 1: long count. That was I forget that the referee was.
Speaker 1: That was a long count. Tyson could have continued being
Speaker 1: the okay, But this is a referee that cost tens
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars and the trajectory of Mike Tyson's
Speaker 1: incredible career got derailed because of that long count that
Speaker 1: he should have knocked out Buster Douglas and whatever around
Speaker 1: that was. It happens, man, not my referee is trying
Speaker 1: to help Buster Douglas. Who knows maybe when he's eight
Speaker 1: he might come back and Rick Kent fence to hell
Speaker 1: with this guy. Seriously, you're a scumbag. Don't don't ever
Speaker 1: be involved in boxing again. In fact, if we get
Speaker 1: the opportunity in the zone, want to keep calling a
Speaker 1: scumbag over and over and over again because you know
Speaker 1: the the guy and I'm sorry, I'm black on his
Speaker 1: name right now? Who who should have won that fight? Uh?
Speaker 1: That could have changed his life if you beat Manny Packy.
Speaker 1: I know it's a different version of many Packer. That
Speaker 1: could have changed his life. And I hate when that happens.
Speaker 1: You should when that happens too, because you fighters work
Speaker 1: hard to put your body and minds on the line.
Speaker 1: One fight can change how millions of dollars and it's
Speaker 1: happening and have free fighters careers have been in my career,
Speaker 1: has happen in many fighters career where one judge kept
Speaker 1: you from making seven figures, one judge kept you from
Speaker 1: getting that big fight. I I can put myself in
Speaker 1: that predictiuent, but we're not talking about me. Every fighter
Speaker 1: can tell you a big story of where they should have,
Speaker 1: could have, would have and didn't happen because of a judge.
Speaker 1: You were just in the fighter Meetia. That's why I
Speaker 1: want to bring it. I don't want to bring it on.
Speaker 1: I say mostly and you're the judges there. Could have
Speaker 1: had your cracket Canelo, I could have gotten decapitated for
Speaker 1: a seven. This is why I like you, because you
Speaker 1: don't say things like yeah, I could have gotten mosy job,
Speaker 1: and I would have beaten Cannelo. You say, yeah, I
Speaker 1: could have gotten mosy shot and I want to kick
Speaker 1: my ask, But it would have been for a good
Speaker 1: one point one million dollar pay day. It would have
Speaker 1: been nice. Um alright. Two guys making good pay days
Speaker 1: are Roman Chocolate Tito Gonzalez and Juan Francisco Astrado. This weekend,
Speaker 1: they fight the third fight of their storied rivalry, ending
Speaker 1: what has been about a ten year rivalry. Would have
Speaker 1: figured their first fight was back in two thousand twelve.
Speaker 1: Chocola Tito one convincingly in two thousand twelve. It was
Speaker 1: a controversial decision last year when these two fought with
Speaker 1: a strata getting it, but many people, myself included, thought
Speaker 1: Chuco Latito deserved to get that decision. How are you
Speaker 1: feeling about this matchup going into the third fight? Giddy,
Speaker 1: buckle up, Mannix, I mean, this is this is We're
Speaker 1: gonna be broadcasting history. We're gonna witness greatness. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: it's gonna go down in the history books as as
Speaker 1: one of the great trilogies of all times. So buckle up, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be right next to you. Sadly and thankfully
Speaker 1: will be next to my pal Todd Grisham to the left.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna be calling a classic trilogy that's gonna
Speaker 1: go down as one of the greats. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is this is the probably the comparison. The great comparison
Speaker 1: is probably Chi Gonzalez versus Michael Carba because they were
Speaker 1: a flyweights. I mean, I got a classic trilogy, but
Speaker 1: it gets, you know, pushed aside because there's such a
Speaker 1: you know, a lighter fighters. But in the history of trilogies,
Speaker 1: whether you're talking about you know, Tyson Fury or Deante Wilder,
Speaker 1: or whether you're talking about Duran Leonard or whoever, Mickey
Speaker 1: Ward and Arctoto, Gatti, Marquez, Pakia, there's so many great ones.
Speaker 1: This one's gonna be alongside it. And and we're there.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have the best seats in the house. I'm
Speaker 1: just giddy, man, I can't wait till Saturday. So what
Speaker 1: are you looking for in this fight? Because one of
Speaker 1: the things, one of the variables I'm I've been considering
Speaker 1: is that when you think about momentum, amazingly, Chrucola Tito,
Speaker 1: who's thirty five years old, is coming into this fight
Speaker 1: with more momentum than Estrata. Chocolatito is coming off the
Speaker 1: wind over Julio Caesar Martinez, a dominant performance over a
Speaker 1: guy that was one of the best in the hundred
Speaker 1: and twelve pound division, Whereas Estrata his fight against Cortez
Speaker 1: back in September, like Cortes, just like we talked about
Speaker 1: Jermaine Franklin, was kind of hand picked to be a guy.
Speaker 1: Estrata looks good against a shake off the rust type
Speaker 1: of fight, and he struggled in that fight. He got
Speaker 1: hurt in that fight. He got cut in that fight.
Speaker 1: So when I look back at the second fight between
Speaker 1: Gonzales and Astrada, fight that I thought Chocolatito one, and
Speaker 1: the Cortes fight, which was Astrada's next fight and his
Speaker 1: only fight since then, I don't get the sense of
Speaker 1: Strata's coming in with much momentum. Does that matter in
Speaker 1: this In a matchup like this, absolutely momentum matters. But
Speaker 1: Estrada his nickname is Alao, you know, and the rooster,
Speaker 1: And in Mexico and some other smaller countries, you know,
Speaker 1: rooster fighting is legal, and and roosters they have this
Speaker 1: edge to him. Let me give you another comparison. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be politically incorrect. I hit people. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be politically and correct and talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, rooster fighting. So let's talk about Sea Biscuit.
Speaker 1: Sea Biscuit needed to have that one horse next to him.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to be in the lead. He wanted
Speaker 1: to that horse. He wanted to look Ida ida him.
Speaker 1: He wanted to say, Okay, you ready, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you what I got now? Is that all you got? Here?
Speaker 1: I go and I'm gonna take it down that he
Speaker 1: needs that. He fights to his competition. Guya Strada fights
Speaker 1: to his competition. A lot of fighters are that way,
Speaker 1: whether you're great or not. You want another great rivalry,
Speaker 1: you want that Sea Biscuit I looking next to you.
Speaker 1: If you're just gonna have an r he Cortez next,
Speaker 1: He's like, uh okay, I struggled with guys like that.
Speaker 1: I had guys like that Brian Vera, that that was
Speaker 1: my guy that I'm gonna wipe the floor with him.
Speaker 1: Tough guy. Everyone has guys like that, whether you're talking
Speaker 1: about the greatest or not. So I think it's Strata
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's fighting to his competition, and whether he
Speaker 1: got lucky with the decision of his last fight, that's
Speaker 1: irrelevant on history books. It's one one. It's a trilogy
Speaker 1: of classic trilogy, and he's fighting one of the greatest
Speaker 1: fighters of our generation. You can bet the sea biscuit
Speaker 1: and the guy is gonna come out and he needs
Speaker 1: that that that that that he needs that rival in
Speaker 1: that competition to get the best out of him. He
Speaker 1: doesn't get motivated by r He Cortez or any other name.
Speaker 1: He gets motivated by four division champions and the greatest
Speaker 1: of our generation. So what does the Strata have to
Speaker 1: do to win this fight? Because we know we're gonna
Speaker 1: get from Chocolate Tito. He's gonna apply relentless pressure. He's
Speaker 1: gonna throw over a hundred punches around. He's gonna try
Speaker 1: to wear you down over these twelve rounds, which he's
Speaker 1: done in his two matchups with the Strada. How does
Speaker 1: the Strata turn the tables on him in this one?
Speaker 1: He continue doing what he did the first two fights,
Speaker 1: even the first fire were Chocolateito one. You know, Strado
Speaker 1: was a complete unknown. He didn't have the experience that
Speaker 1: he has not now and he's still put up a
Speaker 1: damn good fight, a fantastic fight. He's there's just style
Speaker 1: stylistically perfectly matched. So don't change nothing, medics, don't change nothing.
Speaker 1: Estrada is not the type that will get it uh
Speaker 1: luard into a war, so we don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about that. Estrada will engage when he feels he can,
Speaker 1: he can get the best out of it. But then
Speaker 1: he'll box. He can go back on the back foot.
Speaker 1: He's a boxer puncher. Chocolo is a straight puncher, come
Speaker 1: in one way. So we know his game plan and
Speaker 1: we know that Estrato is successful in the back foot.
Speaker 1: So what should he do? More jabs, more body shots
Speaker 1: because l Aito needs to be worried about getting hurt
Speaker 1: to the body, you know, the head shots. He keeps
Speaker 1: his hands up too high, you know, And and I
Speaker 1: don't think Estrato has the power to penetrate those gloves.
Speaker 1: So dig down to the body and keep those elbows
Speaker 1: tucked in so that ring general ship pop the jab,
Speaker 1: stay off the ropes. That's how Strato wins this decision.
Speaker 1: He'sn't he doesn't knock out. Is it not amazing to
Speaker 1: you that Chocolates doing this a thirty five like I
Speaker 1: was amazing, call you a five fight. I think I
Speaker 1: was just in all I mean when I watched. When
Speaker 1: I watched, I know Alexe cerguyo Is is his idol
Speaker 1: and he and he's Nicaraguan as well, But I don't
Speaker 1: see Alexis. I see Roberto Duran, another Central American great
Speaker 1: guys that I've always been uh you know, they've been
Speaker 1: great at light a weake divisions and they they always
Speaker 1: get um counted out once they go up and wait
Speaker 1: and they keep surprising you. Roberto Duran won the middleweight
Speaker 1: championship of the world and he's five ft seven and
Speaker 1: he fought a beast, a monster, and I ran Barkley
Speaker 1: six ft one. That's what Chocola Tito reminds me of.
Speaker 1: Both Central Americans, but that's who he reminds me of,
Speaker 1: because it's just subtle, aggressive animals that know how to
Speaker 1: get inside the big technical but then they have the
Speaker 1: defense to not get you know, hit with you know,
Speaker 1: ridiculous big shots. They know how to stay poisoned the
Speaker 1: pocket getting aggressive, and that's who I see when whenever
Speaker 1: I watched this amazing little speciable fighter and Chocola Tito.
Speaker 1: So yeah, man, I'm I'm buckled up. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm just so ready for Saturday. And Guy doesn't need
Speaker 1: to change anything. Chol doesn't need to change anything because
Speaker 1: we're getting another classic fight. Who is this fight more
Speaker 1: important too? Because you've got two guys that are Chocolate
Speaker 1: Tito first ballot Hall of Famer Guy was Strata most
Speaker 1: likely a Hall of Famer um, but legacy wise, who
Speaker 1: is this quite more important to both? It's gotta be
Speaker 1: Astrata and it's both. It's both. I think Estrada has
Speaker 1: already proved that he's on the elite level. He already
Speaker 1: cracked the pound for pound rankings. He's a two division champion,
Speaker 1: he already beat he's beating everyone that's being his ticket
Speaker 1: as a first ballot guy. If he wins, there's nothing wrong.
Speaker 1: I don't think he wins. I don't think there's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with being a second ballot guy. You're still in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. He's going to be in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. But there's a distinction to it, like
Speaker 1: there's this this some pride to being a first ballot
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer and look I think Astrata would like
Speaker 1: to be. Astrado made the point to us this week
Speaker 1: that like he's not done with his career either, like
Speaker 1: he's still in his early thirties and he can still
Speaker 1: go up in Wait two and win titles in that way. Class.
Speaker 1: But because I don't think people believe he beat Chuckole
Speaker 1: late Tito in that last fight, I think this fight,
Speaker 1: it is important. He's got great wins. He beat start
Speaker 1: wrong side twice, He's beat the three kings he's beat.
Speaker 1: He's the wrong with side he's beat. He's the only one.
Speaker 1: He's the only one of the four kings that's being
Speaker 1: the other three didn't beat. So there you go. That.
Speaker 1: So whether he's second ballot Hall of Fame or first
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. He's gonna be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: And guy, you, I think every fight is important to him.
Speaker 1: And like I asked him in the fighter meeting, I go,
Speaker 1: why are you successful in rematches when a lot of fighters,
Speaker 1: you know, struggling rematches. He says, well, you know it
Speaker 1: sounds simple, but I just work harder and I check
Speaker 1: out what I did wrong. He goes, and I asked him,
Speaker 1: I said, so what are you gonna do different in
Speaker 1: this fight, in this trilogy, getting better shape, getting better shape,
Speaker 1: you do over a thousand punches. I go, what I mean,
Speaker 1: that's not what's gonna change, you know, So just strategy
Speaker 1: and knows though, you know, and you know when you're
Speaker 1: in fights, if you're not in the right condition, you
Speaker 1: might be throwing a lot of punches, but you know
Speaker 1: when you're not up. He said, he didn't close out strong,
Speaker 1: and he's right and you're right round and then he
Speaker 1: had to deal with the last two. Why Like I said,
Speaker 1: if if he's gonna come in better condition in this
Speaker 1: fight than he did the last fight, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be the fight of the year. I was
Speaker 1: talking to Chocolate Tito this week, and you know, if
Speaker 1: he wins, there's really entertaining options for him at one fifteen,
Speaker 1: Like you could fight the winner of the Josh Franco
Speaker 1: fight coming up over in Japan. You could fight Bam
Speaker 1: Rodriguez at some point next year. These are big money
Speaker 1: fights for him. But he told me he wanted to
Speaker 1: move to one eight team fight, and I look, I
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna say, and I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Like my nightmare for Chocolate Tito is if like in
Speaker 1: a way unifies gives Chocolate Tito a fight against him
Speaker 1: in the early next year, and it's Chocolateito in a
Speaker 1: way in like Japan, and that ends so badly for Gonzalez,
Speaker 1: so badly that I don't want to see it. I
Speaker 1: mean other fights. But unless that fight, because just barely
Speaker 1: cracked a million dollar paiday right, he's right around there,
Speaker 1: he's right around there, right, So he barely cracked it.
Speaker 1: Unless and he's fought in Japan before, so I'm sure
Speaker 1: they love him out there, and they love the smaller
Speaker 1: way closes Mr Honda over there. So so unless they
Speaker 1: make that man a for he can't refuse, I would say,
Speaker 1: when whatever it is, man, I just think they make
Speaker 1: him an offer you can't refuse. And then I would say, yeah,
Speaker 1: take take it for the money and make sure this
Speaker 1: is your last fight. When loser draw off until the sunset,
Speaker 1: you have an amazing, incredible career that everyone's gonna worship.
Speaker 1: You know, the ground he walks on for the next
Speaker 1: you know, twenty years. When loser draw Yeah, if he's
Speaker 1: gonna take that, do it just for the money, because
Speaker 1: if you're gonna have fifty plus fights. You come into
Speaker 1: the box. Fighters come into boxing and become world champions
Speaker 1: and to make a lot of money. This man became
Speaker 1: a world champion in four divisions and he's made okay money,
Speaker 1: especially for Nicaragua. But to make that life changing money,
Speaker 1: I think it's worth the risk. When I watched in
Speaker 1: a way just flattened down there, that maybe thinks like
Speaker 1: I don't want to see Chuckle like that. We've seen
Speaker 1: I think like that before. I don't want to see
Speaker 1: him in his career getting pulverized by one of the
Speaker 1: biggest punchers in that divisions. Just from for three million dollars,
Speaker 1: I would let Wilder knocked me out. I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: not Wilder, but now listen it just we were in
Speaker 1: this for championships and money, Mannix and and and Latito
Speaker 1: would be barely cracked the seven figure mark. If they're
Speaker 1: gonna make him a ridiculous hopper like that, you gotta
Speaker 1: take it. We're in it for we're price fighters, man,
Speaker 1: you gotta take that opportunity, all right. Anything to say
Speaker 1: to your fans in your final podcast, This is my
Speaker 1: final podcast, And I mean what I say, and I
Speaker 1: meant what I mean. So I'm gonna drop the mic. Now.
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week and when we come back.
Speaker 1: My conversation with Tyson Fury. All right, Tyson Fury is
Speaker 1: the Lineal, w BC, and Ring Magazine heavyweight champion. He
Speaker 1: will defend those titles on December third, he takes on
Speaker 1: Derek Tosa. I was writing that, Tyson, I wondered which
Speaker 1: of those titles, Lineal, w BC, Ring Magazine means the
Speaker 1: most to you? Um, the title being alive, I'm well
Speaker 1: means more to me than all of those titles well together.
Speaker 1: You know, bosting is one thing, but being helped, being
Speaker 1: alive is better than all of it come together. But
Speaker 1: all of those titles are very fantastic. Be a Lineal champion,
Speaker 1: WBC champion, it's fantastic. You know. It's a great honor
Speaker 1: and a great che even for anybody. And I wear
Speaker 1: them with pride. When you beat you do, when you
Speaker 1: beat Vladimir Clitsko several years ago to win your first
Speaker 1: heavyweight title titles, I guess what was that moment like
Speaker 1: for you? It was a great moment. It was like
Speaker 1: an Everest moment. I've reached my Everest and I've achieved
Speaker 1: all my dreams and I want everything. I want every
Speaker 1: belt apart from the WBC Pat Night. I became the
Speaker 1: unified everywhere champion in the world. UM, and it was
Speaker 1: like it was it was a gigantic moment in my life.
Speaker 1: It was an everest um Summat climbed and it was
Speaker 1: everything I dreamed of. So you're back now, second fight
Speaker 1: this year. You have said, if all goes well, you'll
Speaker 1: have three fights next year. It wasn't too long ago, Tyson,
Speaker 1: that you were saying you're retired from boxing. What's changed
Speaker 1: for you? Nothing? I might retire after this next fight.
Speaker 1: You know. I don't know how long I've got left.
Speaker 1: I don't know what tomorrow will bring, you know, Tyson
Speaker 1: theories crazy motherfucker. One Monte is here, the next minute
Speaker 1: he's gone. I could be in morek on one minute
Speaker 1: in Mandalaide Bay than next Who knows, you know, I never,
Speaker 1: I never, I never take anything for granted. I'm just
Speaker 1: happy that I'm active now and I'm back fighting next
Speaker 1: week and looking forward to a fantastic fight. And we'll see.
Speaker 1: I might get knocked out cold in that fight. Don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen. Um, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see just one fight at a time, um, and
Speaker 1: we'll say, we'll see the all dancing destroyers, still got
Speaker 1: through the day's left in him, and we'll see what
Speaker 1: he can do. So do you feel like in your
Speaker 1: mind you can walk away from boxing or will boxing
Speaker 1: almost have to force you out? No? I can walk
Speaker 1: away from boxing, you know. Um. I just feel like
Speaker 1: I've got a bit more left in me to give. Um.
Speaker 1: And we'll see, We'll see what happens. You know. You
Speaker 1: kind of take one day at a time and one
Speaker 1: fight at a time, and I think every fighter will
Speaker 1: know when it's done, when it's over. I say, I
Speaker 1: fail after this this fight, which is aura if it's
Speaker 1: if it's over, it's over. No point getting brain damage
Speaker 1: or whatever. So you know, we'll see this. This is
Speaker 1: why I just I've come back with no no big
Speaker 1: lofty ambitions. I just want to take one fight at
Speaker 1: a time and see where I am after each of
Speaker 1: the individual fight. What is what does a retired Tyson
Speaker 1: Fury do? What? What is what does your life look
Speaker 1: like as a retired man? So I think I'm going
Speaker 1: to set up a used car sales. I'm becoming a
Speaker 1: used car salesman because I'm I'm very I meant cars
Speaker 1: like I'm very passionate about cars and stuff. I always
Speaker 1: have been. I've always bought and sold cars my whole
Speaker 1: life as a kid. Um, and I think that that
Speaker 1: would give me purpose. You know, I don't think even
Speaker 1: if you have a trillion dollars in the bank, you
Speaker 1: can't just go setting a bee tree, eat up all
Speaker 1: day every day because there's no purpose in that life.
Speaker 1: And at thirty four or thirty five, wherever old I'm
Speaker 1: going to be, when I walk away, it's like, what
Speaker 1: do we do after that? We're going boxing, promoting, to
Speaker 1: go into whatever. I don't know, but we'll see. I'm
Speaker 1: quite passionate about cars. So maybe I have a day
Speaker 1: job like selling cars or whatever as a salesman, used
Speaker 1: car salesman, and by night I have a vigilant job
Speaker 1: like batman. I don't know. I like it. Fury Automotives,
Speaker 1: I like that. As your post fighting career, Um. Talk
Speaker 1: about this fight coming up against Derek Tessa. You had
Speaker 1: to deal with some criticism about choosing Tosa as your opponent.
Speaker 1: Why do you think you were criticized for it. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure it's the criticize it's coming from people who's
Speaker 1: never the fight in the life. I've never won zero
Speaker 1: world titles, so that that criticism doesn't really mean a
Speaker 1: lot to me. To everybody in boxing knows that it's
Speaker 1: going to be a good fight and two good, good
Speaker 1: fighting men, both both fighting top ten. We're gonna give
Speaker 1: them what they want to say. Yeah, I think you
Speaker 1: know you tried to make a Nusi fight. You tried
Speaker 1: to make a Joshua fight. You could have made a
Speaker 1: fight against someone else that was less known. But at
Speaker 1: least this feels like a big fight in the UK,
Speaker 1: just so is still a big name in the UK. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is a big fight. We're sold like
Speaker 1: sixty eight thousand tickets already, we're a week out, so
Speaker 1: it's a big fight for sure. We're looking forward to
Speaker 1: p on a great show for the Funds. And everybody
Speaker 1: knows Derek and everybody knows me in this country. Derek's
Speaker 1: like a folk hero and so am I. So when
Speaker 1: we both get together it's always an occasion for the Funds.
Speaker 1: Last thing for you, you have gone back and forth
Speaker 1: and the Anthony Joshua for a while. Recently you called
Speaker 1: Joshua coward. Do you believe he's a coward? I do.
Speaker 1: I do believe he's a coward because he had the
Speaker 1: opportunity to fight me on the third of December and
Speaker 1: he declined, and now I'm fighting Zora instead. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of money involved, not that money is everything,
Speaker 1: because you know, when you have a lot of money,
Speaker 1: like Joshua has already, then when extra few heroes and
Speaker 1: his bank balance won't really change his life. So it's
Speaker 1: probably not about money. It's more about like what does
Speaker 1: he do to loses again and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: But that's not the mentality. You have a spartan, and
Speaker 1: I can only deal with spartans. I can't deal with
Speaker 1: business man because all all my business siders ship like
Speaker 1: who said, what said? She said, this said, and this
Speaker 1: amount of that amount, this location has. Don't get involved.
Speaker 1: I'm like, how much am I getting? Where is he?
Speaker 1: And whom I'm fighting? I've got me back, The trainers
Speaker 1: are on and I'm ready to fucking rumble. Let's go.
Speaker 1: That's all I want to know. I don't want to
Speaker 1: know any any other business options. I want to know ship.
Speaker 1: I want to know how much I'm getting and where
Speaker 1: is it? And let me at him, let me knock
Speaker 1: him out, and you're not messing with that type of
Speaker 1: fighter in a j You could ask this all the time.
Speaker 1: But as you sit here right now, do you believe
Speaker 1: in three we'll see Fury Joshua? I don't. I just
Speaker 1: think once you're a coward, you ain't gonna fight anybody.
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll fight Wilder either. I do not
Speaker 1: think he'll fight Wilder. I don't think you'll fight me.
Speaker 1: He probably only thought said because he was a light
Speaker 1: bunch in Cruise Away and he didn't think he could
Speaker 1: get knocked out or whatever. I hear he's looking to
Speaker 1: do a rematch with Dillian White. He's desperate for that rematch.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but um yeah, so you've gotta
Speaker 1: have confidence to take on the biggest challenges and the
Speaker 1: men it. I don't see him stepping up to the place.
Speaker 1: But again, none of my business at all what they do.
Speaker 1: My business is Derek Zura and I'm in the fight
Speaker 1: game and that's what we're doing. Boom. I can't believe
Speaker 1: we might get Fury versus Wilder for before we get
Speaker 1: Joshua versus Wilder. I can't believe there might be a
Speaker 1: fourth fight with you and Deontay Wilder and or is
Speaker 1: this crazy a lot? Uh, it's crazy, you know, but
Speaker 1: you know you never you never come tell what's going
Speaker 1: to open around around the corner and heavy right pomps too.
Speaker 1: You see it so often, but you rarely see one
Speaker 1: person fight the other one four times. Not since the
Speaker 1: days of like cate la motto versus sugar. Yeah, long
Speaker 1: long time, but that that had did happen a lot
Speaker 1: back in those days. Tyson, appreciate your time. Man. You
Speaker 1: can catch Tyson Fury December three on the US in
Speaker 1: the US on ESPN plus, over the UK on pay
Speaker 1: per view. Thanks for joining me, man, always good to
Speaker 1: catch up. Thank you all of us when we come back.
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Speaker 1: fan Duel and I almost had a huge weekend last weekend.
Speaker 1: I went big and I told you to go big
Speaker 1: on Jermaine Franklin against Dillian White, and by like the
Speaker 1: eighth round, I was sitting there counting my money. I
Speaker 1: was sitting there thinking what am I gonna do? With
Speaker 1: my winnings off a thirteen to one underdog, because I
Speaker 1: told you that Jermaine Franklin was a live dog, and
Speaker 1: I told you that Dillian White was not the fighter
Speaker 1: he used to be after getting knocked out two of
Speaker 1: the last three times. I'm not upset about the decision
Speaker 1: because I thought the right guy. One thought two judges
Speaker 1: scored it wrong, but I thought the right guy won
Speaker 1: that fight. Still, those are the myths that just kill you.
Speaker 1: Had Jermaine frankt for the win, that would have been
Speaker 1: a big bet. But I do it all over again
Speaker 1: because that was worth throwing some money behind. That was
Speaker 1: worth taking a shot at. This weekend a little more
Speaker 1: high profile, You've got one Francisco Estrada Chocolate Tito Gonzalez
Speaker 1: Part three super flyweight title on the line in Arizona.
Speaker 1: Chocolate Tito right now is a minus two favorite over
Speaker 1: at Van Duel. That's the bet that I like Estrada
Speaker 1: plus one seventy two. This has the potential to be
Speaker 1: a very close fight, but I like the momentum that
Speaker 1: Gonzalez is coming into this fight with. He is coming
Speaker 1: off a dominant performance against Julius Martinez, whereas in his
Speaker 1: last fight Estrada, he struggled with a lesser fighter in R. G. Cortez.
Speaker 1: So I like Gonzalez to win. How does he win?
Speaker 1: I like him winning by decision. This is where he
Speaker 1: can make a little bit more money. Minus one oh
Speaker 1: five for Gonzalez by decision. According to FanDuel, these guys
Speaker 1: have fought four rounds together. There have been moments where
Speaker 1: both of them have been stunned, but no real moment
Speaker 1: when either of them has been heard. I think they
Speaker 1: know each other well enough by now that this fight
Speaker 1: is going to go to a decision. So take Gonzalez
Speaker 1: to win, Take him to win by decision. If you
Speaker 1: want to throw another bet in there, take this fight
Speaker 1: going the distance. Another one that doesn't have the greatest
Speaker 1: of odds, but I think this is a mortal lock
Speaker 1: to go the full twelve rounds. Those are my picks,
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