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Speaker 1: Tyson Fury, the heavyweight champion of the world. He joins

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Speaker 1: was a pretty disappointing weekend for Dillian White. Dillian White,

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Speaker 1: last spring, he faced Jermaine Franklin in what everyone anticipated

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Speaker 1: I believe, I'm not I'm not blaming Buddy mcgrett for anything.

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Speaker 1: Carlos Padilla, the referee in the Pacquiao fight from two thousands, Yeah,

421
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 1: this was the referee who officially who also, by the way,

422
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 1: you mentioned he did I believe the rumble of the

423
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 1: jungle or the thrill of Manilla one of the alive

424
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 1: Ali Frasier and Manilla um. He refereed a fight with

425
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 1: Manny Patio involved in two thousand and he admitted to

426
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: giving Pakia an eighteen count. This was two fights before

427
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:46,360
Speaker 1: Pakiao won a world title. Uh. And you know, I've

428
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 1: seen clips of the video making the rounds on social media.

429
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 1: I guess the WBC for some reason made it private.

430
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 1: I don't really understand what that's all about. I have

431
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 1: a huge problem with this, Sergio, like a big problem

432
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 1: with this like this guy. I don't know if he's

433
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 1: still in boxing, but should never be allowed. He should

434
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 1: be treated like Panama Lewis like him, you should you

435
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 1: gave it eighteen count to a fighter. I don't know

436
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 1: what that. That's a little bit hard. I mean extreme there.

437
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: I mean you go from a guy from that can

438
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: that that took out Patty out of a glove and

439
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 1: it was a known cheating punishment, be banned done. He's

440
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,719
Speaker 1: probably I think he's like eight years old, so he's

441
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: probably doing anything. I mean banded, yes, but uh maybe

442
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: suspended but yeffort band. He's already retired band. Someone should

443
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: sue him. It's like when you're at the edge of

444
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 1: death and then you want to recan't everything you did

445
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: wrong just for you can go into the pearly gates.

446
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: I think Padilla wanted to get that off the shoulder.

447
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:47,360
Speaker 1: They can't. As much as it is unburdened, unburdened confessed.

448
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: You don't want that Burdena didn't want that burden. A

449
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: lot of tough shit like you can confess, but there's

450
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: a consequence to it. There's a price you have to pay.

451
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 1: Ban up eight year old that. I wouldn't let him

452
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: sniff another boxing an official boxing related event. I wouldn't

453
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: even let him get tickets to any kind of fight.

454
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: Ever again, what a scumbag? Like an absolute scumbag forgiven

455
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: an eighteen count to many pack that we said that people,

456
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 1: I guess that the US told him. You know, Pat

457
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 1: has got big things ahead of him moving forward. Get

458
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 1: the funk out. How about eighteen counts? How about the

459
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 1: who refereed Buster Douglas Tyson? I mean, that was a

460
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 1: long count. That was I forget that the referee was.

461
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: That was a long count. Tyson could have continued being

462
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: the okay, But this is a referee that cost tens

463
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars and the trajectory of Mike Tyson's

464
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: incredible career got derailed because of that long count that

465
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: he should have knocked out Buster Douglas and whatever around

466
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 1: that was. It happens, man, not my referee is trying

467
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: to help Buster Douglas. Who knows maybe when he's eight

468
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: he might come back and Rick Kent fence to hell

469
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: with this guy. Seriously, you're a scumbag. Don't don't ever

470
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,479
Speaker 1: be involved in boxing again. In fact, if we get

471
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: the opportunity in the zone, want to keep calling a

472
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: scumbag over and over and over again because you know

473
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: the the guy and I'm sorry, I'm black on his

474
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: name right now? Who who should have won that fight? Uh?

475
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: That could have changed his life if you beat Manny Packy.

476
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: I know it's a different version of many Packer. That

477
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: could have changed his life. And I hate when that happens.

478
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: You should when that happens too, because you fighters work

479
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: hard to put your body and minds on the line.

480
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: One fight can change how millions of dollars and it's

481
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: happening and have free fighters careers have been in my career,

482
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: has happen in many fighters career where one judge kept

483
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: you from making seven figures, one judge kept you from

484
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: getting that big fight. I I can put myself in

485
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: that predictiuent, but we're not talking about me. Every fighter

486
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 1: can tell you a big story of where they should have,

487
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: could have, would have and didn't happen because of a judge.

488
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: You were just in the fighter Meetia. That's why I

489
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: want to bring it. I don't want to bring it on.

490
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: I say mostly and you're the judges there. Could have

491
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: had your cracket Canelo, I could have gotten decapitated for

492
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: a seven. This is why I like you, because you

493
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 1: don't say things like yeah, I could have gotten mosy job,

494
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: and I would have beaten Cannelo. You say, yeah, I

495
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: could have gotten mosy shot and I want to kick

496
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: my ask, But it would have been for a good

497
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: one point one million dollar pay day. It would have

498
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: been nice. Um alright. Two guys making good pay days

499
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: are Roman Chocolate Tito Gonzalez and Juan Francisco Astrado. This weekend,

500
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: they fight the third fight of their storied rivalry, ending

501
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: what has been about a ten year rivalry. Would have

502
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: figured their first fight was back in two thousand twelve.

503
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: Chocola Tito one convincingly in two thousand twelve. It was

504
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: a controversial decision last year when these two fought with

505
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: a strata getting it, but many people, myself included, thought

506
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: Chuco Latito deserved to get that decision. How are you

507
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: feeling about this matchup going into the third fight? Giddy,

508
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: buckle up, Mannix, I mean, this is this is We're

509
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: gonna be broadcasting history. We're gonna witness greatness. Uh you know,

510
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna go down in the history books as as

511
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: one of the great trilogies of all times. So buckle up, man,

512
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be right next to you. Sadly and thankfully

513
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: will be next to my pal Todd Grisham to the left.

514
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: And we're gonna be calling a classic trilogy that's gonna

515
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: go down as one of the greats. I mean, this

516
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: is this is the probably the comparison. The great comparison

517
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: is probably Chi Gonzalez versus Michael Carba because they were

518
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: a flyweights. I mean, I got a classic trilogy, but

519
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: it gets, you know, pushed aside because there's such a

520
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, a lighter fighters. But in the history of trilogies,

521
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: whether you're talking about you know, Tyson Fury or Deante Wilder,

522
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: or whether you're talking about Duran Leonard or whoever, Mickey

523
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: Ward and Arctoto, Gatti, Marquez, Pakia, there's so many great ones.

524
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: This one's gonna be alongside it. And and we're there.

525
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna have the best seats in the house. I'm

526
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: just giddy, man, I can't wait till Saturday. So what

527
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: are you looking for in this fight? Because one of

528
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: the things, one of the variables I'm I've been considering

529
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: is that when you think about momentum, amazingly, Chrucola Tito,

530
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: who's thirty five years old, is coming into this fight

531
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: with more momentum than Estrata. Chocolatito is coming off the

532
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: wind over Julio Caesar Martinez, a dominant performance over a

533
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: guy that was one of the best in the hundred

534
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: and twelve pound division, Whereas Estrata his fight against Cortez

535
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: back in September, like Cortes, just like we talked about

536
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: Jermaine Franklin, was kind of hand picked to be a guy.

537
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: Estrata looks good against a shake off the rust type

538
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: of fight, and he struggled in that fight. He got

539
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: hurt in that fight. He got cut in that fight.

540
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: So when I look back at the second fight between

541
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: Gonzales and Astrada, fight that I thought Chocolatito one, and

542
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: the Cortes fight, which was Astrada's next fight and his

543
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: only fight since then, I don't get the sense of

544
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: Strata's coming in with much momentum. Does that matter in

545
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: this In a matchup like this, absolutely momentum matters. But

546
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: Estrada his nickname is Alao, you know, and the rooster,

547
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: And in Mexico and some other smaller countries, you know,

548
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: rooster fighting is legal, and and roosters they have this

549
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: edge to him. Let me give you another comparison. I

550
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: don't want to be politically incorrect. I hit people. Um,

551
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to be politically and correct and talk about,

552
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, rooster fighting. So let's talk about Sea Biscuit.

553
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: Sea Biscuit needed to have that one horse next to him.

554
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: He didn't want to be in the lead. He wanted

555
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: to that horse. He wanted to look Ida ida him.

556
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: He wanted to say, Okay, you ready, I'm gonna give

557
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: you what I got now? Is that all you got? Here?

558
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: I go and I'm gonna take it down that he

559
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: needs that. He fights to his competition. Guya Strada fights

560
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 1: to his competition. A lot of fighters are that way,

561
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: whether you're great or not. You want another great rivalry,

562
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 1: you want that Sea Biscuit I looking next to you.

563
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: If you're just gonna have an r he Cortez next,

564
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: He's like, uh okay, I struggled with guys like that.

565
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: I had guys like that Brian Vera, that that was

566
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: my guy that I'm gonna wipe the floor with him.

567
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: Tough guy. Everyone has guys like that, whether you're talking

568
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: about the greatest or not. So I think it's Strata

569
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's fighting to his competition, and whether he

570
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: got lucky with the decision of his last fight, that's

571
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: irrelevant on history books. It's one one. It's a trilogy

572
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: of classic trilogy, and he's fighting one of the greatest

573
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: fighters of our generation. You can bet the sea biscuit

574
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: and the guy is gonna come out and he needs

575
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: that that that that that he needs that rival in

576
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: that competition to get the best out of him. He

577
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: doesn't get motivated by r He Cortez or any other name.

578
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: He gets motivated by four division champions and the greatest

579
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: of our generation. So what does the Strata have to

580
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: do to win this fight? Because we know we're gonna

581
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: get from Chocolate Tito. He's gonna apply relentless pressure. He's

582
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: gonna throw over a hundred punches around. He's gonna try

583
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: to wear you down over these twelve rounds, which he's

584
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: done in his two matchups with the Strada. How does

585
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: the Strata turn the tables on him in this one?

586
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: He continue doing what he did the first two fights,

587
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: even the first fire were Chocolateito one. You know, Strado

588
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: was a complete unknown. He didn't have the experience that

589
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: he has not now and he's still put up a

590
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: damn good fight, a fantastic fight. He's there's just style

591
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: stylistically perfectly matched. So don't change nothing, medics, don't change nothing.

592
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: Estrada is not the type that will get it uh

593
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: luard into a war, so we don't have to worry

594
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: about that. Estrada will engage when he feels he can,

595
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: he can get the best out of it. But then

596
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: he'll box. He can go back on the back foot.

597
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: He's a boxer puncher. Chocolo is a straight puncher, come

598
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: in one way. So we know his game plan and

599
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: we know that Estrato is successful in the back foot.

600
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: So what should he do? More jabs, more body shots

601
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: because l Aito needs to be worried about getting hurt

602
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: to the body, you know, the head shots. He keeps

603
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: his hands up too high, you know, And and I

604
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: don't think Estrato has the power to penetrate those gloves.

605
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: So dig down to the body and keep those elbows

606
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: tucked in so that ring general ship pop the jab,

607
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: stay off the ropes. That's how Strato wins this decision.

608
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: He'sn't he doesn't knock out. Is it not amazing to

609
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: you that Chocolates doing this a thirty five like I

610
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: was amazing, call you a five fight. I think I

611
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: was just in all I mean when I watched. When

612
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: I watched, I know Alexe cerguyo Is is his idol

613
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: and he and he's Nicaraguan as well, But I don't

614
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: see Alexis. I see Roberto Duran, another Central American great

615
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: guys that I've always been uh you know, they've been

616
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: great at light a weake divisions and they they always

617
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: get um counted out once they go up and wait

618
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: and they keep surprising you. Roberto Duran won the middleweight

619
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: championship of the world and he's five ft seven and

620
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: he fought a beast, a monster, and I ran Barkley

621
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: six ft one. That's what Chocola Tito reminds me of.

622
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: Both Central Americans, but that's who he reminds me of,

623
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: because it's just subtle, aggressive animals that know how to

624
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: get inside the big technical but then they have the

625
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: defense to not get you know, hit with you know,

626
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: ridiculous big shots. They know how to stay poisoned the

627
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: pocket getting aggressive, and that's who I see when whenever

628
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: I watched this amazing little speciable fighter and Chocola Tito.

629
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Speaker 1: So yeah, man, I'm I'm buckled up. Like I said,

630
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm just so ready for Saturday. And Guy doesn't need

631
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: to change anything. Chol doesn't need to change anything because

632
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: we're getting another classic fight. Who is this fight more

633
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: important too? Because you've got two guys that are Chocolate

634
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: Tito first ballot Hall of Famer Guy was Strata most

635
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: likely a Hall of Famer um, but legacy wise, who

636
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: is this quite more important to both? It's gotta be

637
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,239
Speaker 1: Astrata and it's both. It's both. I think Estrada has

638
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: already proved that he's on the elite level. He already

639
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: cracked the pound for pound rankings. He's a two division champion,

640
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: he already beat he's beating everyone that's being his ticket

641
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: as a first ballot guy. If he wins, there's nothing wrong.

642
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: I don't think he wins. I don't think there's nothing

643
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: wrong with being a second ballot guy. You're still in

644
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. He's going to be in the

645
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. But there's a distinction to it, like

646
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: there's this this some pride to being a first ballot

647
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer and look I think Astrata would like

648
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: to be. Astrado made the point to us this week

649
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: that like he's not done with his career either, like

650
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: he's still in his early thirties and he can still

651
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: go up in Wait two and win titles in that way. Class.

652
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: But because I don't think people believe he beat Chuckole

653
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: late Tito in that last fight, I think this fight,

654
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: it is important. He's got great wins. He beat start

655
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: wrong side twice, He's beat the three kings he's beat.

656
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: He's the wrong with side he's beat. He's the only one.

657
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: He's the only one of the four kings that's being

658
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: the other three didn't beat. So there you go. That.

659
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: So whether he's second ballot Hall of Fame or first

660
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. He's gonna be in the Hall of Fame.

661
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: And guy, you, I think every fight is important to him.

662
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: And like I asked him in the fighter meeting, I go,

663
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: why are you successful in rematches when a lot of fighters,

664
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, struggling rematches. He says, well, you know it

665
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: sounds simple, but I just work harder and I check

666
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 1: out what I did wrong. He goes, and I asked him,

667
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: I said, so what are you gonna do different in

668
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: this fight, in this trilogy, getting better shape, getting better shape,

669
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: you do over a thousand punches. I go, what I mean,

670
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: that's not what's gonna change, you know, So just strategy

671
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: and knows though, you know, and you know when you're

672
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: in fights, if you're not in the right condition, you

673
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: might be throwing a lot of punches, but you know

674
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: when you're not up. He said, he didn't close out strong,

675
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: and he's right and you're right round and then he

676
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: had to deal with the last two. Why Like I said,

677
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: if if he's gonna come in better condition in this

678
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: fight than he did the last fight, I mean, this

679
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: is gonna be the fight of the year. I was

680
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: talking to Chocolate Tito this week, and you know, if

681
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: he wins, there's really entertaining options for him at one fifteen,

682
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: Like you could fight the winner of the Josh Franco

683
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: fight coming up over in Japan. You could fight Bam

684
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: Rodriguez at some point next year. These are big money

685
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: fights for him. But he told me he wanted to

686
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: move to one eight team fight, and I look, I

687
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna say, and I agree with you.

688
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: Like my nightmare for Chocolate Tito is if like in

689
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: a way unifies gives Chocolate Tito a fight against him

690
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: in the early next year, and it's Chocolateito in a

691
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: way in like Japan, and that ends so badly for Gonzalez,

692
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: so badly that I don't want to see it. I

693
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: mean other fights. But unless that fight, because just barely

694
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: cracked a million dollar paiday right, he's right around there,

695
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: he's right around there, right, So he barely cracked it.

696
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: Unless and he's fought in Japan before, so I'm sure

697
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: they love him out there, and they love the smaller

698
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: way closes Mr Honda over there. So so unless they

699
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,959
Speaker 1: make that man a for he can't refuse, I would say,

700
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: when whatever it is, man, I just think they make

701
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: him an offer you can't refuse. And then I would say, yeah,

702
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: take take it for the money and make sure this

703
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: is your last fight. When loser draw off until the sunset,

704
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: you have an amazing, incredible career that everyone's gonna worship.

705
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: You know, the ground he walks on for the next

706
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: you know, twenty years. When loser draw Yeah, if he's

707
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: gonna take that, do it just for the money, because

708
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: if you're gonna have fifty plus fights. You come into

709
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: the box. Fighters come into boxing and become world champions

710
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: and to make a lot of money. This man became

711
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: a world champion in four divisions and he's made okay money,

712
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: especially for Nicaragua. But to make that life changing money,

713
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: I think it's worth the risk. When I watched in

714
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: a way just flattened down there, that maybe thinks like

715
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to see Chuckle like that. We've seen

716
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: I think like that before. I don't want to see

717
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: him in his career getting pulverized by one of the

718
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: biggest punchers in that divisions. Just from for three million dollars,

719
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: I would let Wilder knocked me out. I mean, maybe

720
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: not Wilder, but now listen it just we were in

721
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: this for championships and money, Mannix and and and Latito

722
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: would be barely cracked the seven figure mark. If they're

723
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: gonna make him a ridiculous hopper like that, you gotta

724
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: take it. We're in it for we're price fighters, man,

725
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: you gotta take that opportunity, all right. Anything to say

726
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: to your fans in your final podcast, This is my

727
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: final podcast, And I mean what I say, and I

728
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: meant what I mean. So I'm gonna drop the mic. Now.

729
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week and when we come back.

730
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: My conversation with Tyson Fury. All right, Tyson Fury is

731
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: the Lineal, w BC, and Ring Magazine heavyweight champion. He

732
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: will defend those titles on December third, he takes on

733
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: Derek Tosa. I was writing that, Tyson, I wondered which

734
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: of those titles, Lineal, w BC, Ring Magazine means the

735
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 1: most to you? Um, the title being alive, I'm well

736
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: means more to me than all of those titles well together.

737
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: You know, bosting is one thing, but being helped, being

738
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: alive is better than all of it come together. But

739
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: all of those titles are very fantastic. Be a Lineal champion,

740
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: WBC champion, it's fantastic. You know. It's a great honor

741
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: and a great che even for anybody. And I wear

742
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: them with pride. When you beat you do, when you

743
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: beat Vladimir Clitsko several years ago to win your first

744
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: heavyweight title titles, I guess what was that moment like

745
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: for you? It was a great moment. It was like

746
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: an Everest moment. I've reached my Everest and I've achieved

747
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: all my dreams and I want everything. I want every

748
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: belt apart from the WBC Pat Night. I became the

749
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: unified everywhere champion in the world. UM, and it was

750
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: like it was it was a gigantic moment in my life.

751
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: It was an everest um Summat climbed and it was

752
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: everything I dreamed of. So you're back now, second fight

753
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: this year. You have said, if all goes well, you'll

754
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: have three fights next year. It wasn't too long ago, Tyson,

755
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: that you were saying you're retired from boxing. What's changed

756
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: for you? Nothing? I might retire after this next fight.

757
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: You know. I don't know how long I've got left.

758
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what tomorrow will bring, you know, Tyson

759
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: theories crazy motherfucker. One Monte is here, the next minute

760
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: he's gone. I could be in morek on one minute

761
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: in Mandalaide Bay than next Who knows, you know, I never,

762
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: I never, I never take anything for granted. I'm just

763
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: happy that I'm active now and I'm back fighting next

764
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: week and looking forward to a fantastic fight. And we'll see.

765
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: I might get knocked out cold in that fight. Don't know.

766
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen. Um, Oh yeah,

767
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: we'll see just one fight at a time, um, and

768
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: we'll say, we'll see the all dancing destroyers, still got

769
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: through the day's left in him, and we'll see what

770
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: he can do. So do you feel like in your

771
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: mind you can walk away from boxing or will boxing

772
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: almost have to force you out? No? I can walk

773
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: away from boxing, you know. Um. I just feel like

774
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: I've got a bit more left in me to give. Um.

775
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: And we'll see, We'll see what happens. You know. You

776
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: kind of take one day at a time and one

777
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: fight at a time, and I think every fighter will

778
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: know when it's done, when it's over. I say, I

779
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: fail after this this fight, which is aura if it's

780
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: if it's over, it's over. No point getting brain damage

781
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: or whatever. So you know, we'll see this. This is

782
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: why I just I've come back with no no big

783
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: lofty ambitions. I just want to take one fight at

784
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: a time and see where I am after each of

785
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: the individual fight. What is what does a retired Tyson

786
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: Fury do? What? What is what does your life look

787
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: like as a retired man? So I think I'm going

788
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: to set up a used car sales. I'm becoming a

789
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: used car salesman because I'm I'm very I meant cars

790
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: like I'm very passionate about cars and stuff. I always

791
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 1: have been. I've always bought and sold cars my whole

792
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: life as a kid. Um, and I think that that

793
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: would give me purpose. You know, I don't think even

794
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: if you have a trillion dollars in the bank, you

795
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: can't just go setting a bee tree, eat up all

796
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: day every day because there's no purpose in that life.

797
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: And at thirty four or thirty five, wherever old I'm

798
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: going to be, when I walk away, it's like, what

799
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: do we do after that? We're going boxing, promoting, to

800
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: go into whatever. I don't know, but we'll see. I'm

801
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: quite passionate about cars. So maybe I have a day

802
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: job like selling cars or whatever as a salesman, used

803
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: car salesman, and by night I have a vigilant job

804
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: like batman. I don't know. I like it. Fury Automotives,

805
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: I like that. As your post fighting career, Um. Talk

806
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: about this fight coming up against Derek Tessa. You had

807
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: to deal with some criticism about choosing Tosa as your opponent.

808
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 1: Why do you think you were criticized for it. I'm

809
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: not sure it's the criticize it's coming from people who's

810
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: never the fight in the life. I've never won zero

811
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: world titles, so that that criticism doesn't really mean a

812
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: lot to me. To everybody in boxing knows that it's

813
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: going to be a good fight and two good, good

814
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: fighting men, both both fighting top ten. We're gonna give

815
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: them what they want to say. Yeah, I think you

816
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: know you tried to make a Nusi fight. You tried

817
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: to make a Joshua fight. You could have made a

818
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: fight against someone else that was less known. But at

819
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: least this feels like a big fight in the UK,

820
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: just so is still a big name in the UK. Oh, yeah,

821
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: this is this is a big fight. We're sold like

822
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: sixty eight thousand tickets already, we're a week out, so

823
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: it's a big fight for sure. We're looking forward to

824
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: p on a great show for the Funds. And everybody

825
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: knows Derek and everybody knows me in this country. Derek's

826
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: like a folk hero and so am I. So when

827
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: we both get together it's always an occasion for the Funds.

828
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: Last thing for you, you have gone back and forth

829
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: and the Anthony Joshua for a while. Recently you called

830
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: Joshua coward. Do you believe he's a coward? I do.

831
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: I do believe he's a coward because he had the

832
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: opportunity to fight me on the third of December and

833
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: he declined, and now I'm fighting Zora instead. So there's

834
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: a lot of money involved, not that money is everything,

835
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: because you know, when you have a lot of money,

836
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: like Joshua has already, then when extra few heroes and

837
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: his bank balance won't really change his life. So it's

838
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: probably not about money. It's more about like what does

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Speaker 1: he do to loses again and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: But that's not the mentality. You have a spartan, and

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Speaker 1: I can only deal with spartans. I can't deal with

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Speaker 1: business man because all all my business siders ship like

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00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: who said, what said? She said, this said, and this

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Speaker 1: amount of that amount, this location has. Don't get involved.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, how much am I getting? Where is he?

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Speaker 1: And whom I'm fighting? I've got me back, The trainers

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Speaker 1: are on and I'm ready to fucking rumble. Let's go.

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Speaker 1: That's all I want to know. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: know any any other business options. I want to know ship.

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Speaker 1: I want to know how much I'm getting and where

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Speaker 1: is it? And let me at him, let me knock

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Speaker 1: him out, and you're not messing with that type of

853
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: fighter in a j You could ask this all the time.

854
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Speaker 1: But as you sit here right now, do you believe

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00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: in three we'll see Fury Joshua? I don't. I just

856
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: think once you're a coward, you ain't gonna fight anybody.

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00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll fight Wilder either. I do not

858
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: think he'll fight Wilder. I don't think you'll fight me.

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Speaker 1: He probably only thought said because he was a light

860
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: bunch in Cruise Away and he didn't think he could

861
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: get knocked out or whatever. I hear he's looking to

862
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: do a rematch with Dillian White. He's desperate for that rematch.

863
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,959
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but um yeah, so you've gotta

864
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: have confidence to take on the biggest challenges and the

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Speaker 1: men it. I don't see him stepping up to the place.

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Speaker 1: But again, none of my business at all what they do.

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Speaker 1: My business is Derek Zura and I'm in the fight

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Speaker 1: game and that's what we're doing. Boom. I can't believe

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Speaker 1: we might get Fury versus Wilder for before we get

870
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Speaker 1: Joshua versus Wilder. I can't believe there might be a

871
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: fourth fight with you and Deontay Wilder and or is

872
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: this crazy a lot? Uh, it's crazy, you know, but

873
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: you know you never you never come tell what's going

874
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: to open around around the corner and heavy right pomps too.

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00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: You see it so often, but you rarely see one

876
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: person fight the other one four times. Not since the

877
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: days of like cate la motto versus sugar. Yeah, long

878
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: long time, but that that had did happen a lot

879
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: back in those days. Tyson, appreciate your time. Man. You

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Speaker 1: per view. Thanks for joining me, man, always good to

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Speaker 1: catch up. Thank you all of us when we come back.

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Speaker 1: on Jermaine Franklin against Dillian White, and by like the

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Speaker 1: was sitting there thinking what am I gonna do? With

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Speaker 1: told you that Jermaine Franklin was a live dog, and

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Speaker 1: I told you that Dillian White was not the fighter

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Speaker 1: he used to be after getting knocked out two of

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Speaker 1: the last three times. I'm not upset about the decision

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Speaker 1: because I thought the right guy. One thought two judges

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00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 1: scored it wrong, but I thought the right guy won

918
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Speaker 1: Had Jermaine frankt for the win, that would have been

920
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: a big bet. But I do it all over again

921
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: because that was worth throwing some money behind. That was

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Speaker 1: worth taking a shot at. This weekend a little more

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Speaker 1: high profile, You've got one Francisco Estrada Chocolate Tito Gonzalez

924
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: Part three super flyweight title on the line in Arizona.

925
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: Chocolate Tito right now is a minus two favorite over

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Speaker 1: at Van Duel. That's the bet that I like Estrada

927
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: plus one seventy two. This has the potential to be

928
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: a very close fight, but I like the momentum that

929
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: Gonzalez is coming into this fight with. He is coming

930
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: off a dominant performance against Julius Martinez, whereas in his

931
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: last fight Estrada, he struggled with a lesser fighter in R. G. Cortez.

932
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Speaker 1: So I like Gonzalez to win. How does he win?

933
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: I like him winning by decision. This is where he

934
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: can make a little bit more money. Minus one oh

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Speaker 1: five for Gonzalez by decision. According to FanDuel, these guys

936
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: have fought four rounds together. There have been moments where

937
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 1: both of them have been stunned, but no real moment

938
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: when either of them has been heard. I think they

939
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: know each other well enough by now that this fight

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00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: is going to go to a decision. So take Gonzalez

941
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: to win, Take him to win by decision. If you

942
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: want to throw another bet in there, take this fight

943
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: going the distance. Another one that doesn't have the greatest

944
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: of odds, but I think this is a mortal lock

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Speaker 1: to go the full twelve rounds. Those are my picks,

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Speaker 1: My thanks to Sergio Mora and Tyson Fury for joining

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