1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stump Mom Never told you? 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: From House top Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: the podcast. This is Molly fan on Christmas Christman. It's 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: only February, but I think I've got our Halloween costumes 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: for next year in the bag. Excellent, especially if we're 7 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: going to go to the same party. I've got the 8 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: perfect duo costumes. What do I need to start looking 9 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: for pirate clothing? Um? Well, I don't you know, I 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: don't want to do some kind of salcle. No, we're 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: not going to be saucy pirate wenches, and we're gonna 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: take all those other pirate costumes out there up a 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:50,959 Speaker 1: notch into historical territory because we're going to be the 14 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: famed pirates, the famed female pirates of the Golden Age 15 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: of piracy and Bonnie and Mary read Why don't I 16 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: feel like this is a little them in costume? Because 17 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: sometimes I can't help the Liz woman coming out of 18 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: here because spurts and spurts because it's just that good. Um. 19 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: But no, that was our topic of research this week, 20 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: and I mean if we're going to represent you know, 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: womanhood past President of Future Christen, we gotta we gotta 22 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: represent these pirately. We gotta dress up as cross dressing 23 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: pirate ladies from the golden age of piracy, precisely. All right, 24 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: So let's explain who these women are so that next 25 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: Halloween everyone's ready for us. So, yes, no matter what 26 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: party we go, do you when we walk in, people like, 27 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, there Stam Body and Mary Read. So many, 28 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: so many facts I know about them. Um, it should 29 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: be said that when we started talking about researching female pirates, 30 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, we kind of thought maybe there'd be a 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: big list of them. Yeah, but when you kind of 32 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: get down into it, these are the two that, you know, 33 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: just keep coming up in searches. Yeah, I mean everything 34 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: is and Bonny Mary Read and Bonny Mary, I mean, 35 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: can we get it? Surely they were the only gals 36 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: who hopped on pirate ships. That makes me think that 37 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: maybe our our hallowing constums should actually be the two 38 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: female pirates that weren't an Bonnie Mary taken at good 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: next level, all right, before we get that far, let's 40 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: talk about the stories of an Bonnie Mary, because they're 41 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: pretty pretty awesome ladies, I think, And they happen to 42 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: sail the same pirate ship. What a coincidence, which one 43 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: scholar says, maybe the only reason we know about them 44 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: is because on this pirate ship, if there were two 45 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: of them, it became safe to reveal their identity that 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: maybe it wouldn't have been if it had just been 47 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: one of them. Maybe they were, you know, just the 48 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: ones that got famous because the other pirates on their 49 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: ship were tried. Um, you know, there's there's some there's 50 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: some question of how the two most famous women pirates 51 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: ended up on the same ship. But so they did 52 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: on the ship of Calico Jack Rackham. Calico Jack. We 53 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: need a we need a guy to play Calico Jack. Chuck. 54 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: We can get Calico Jack, all right. So much of 55 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: what we know about these women comes from a book 56 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: that was published in seventeen and seventeen called A General 57 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: History of the Pirates, written by one Captain Charles Johnson. 58 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: And some people think that Captain Charles Johnson, fun fact, 59 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: was Daniel Dafoux, writer of Moll Flanders, because the stories 60 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: of Ann Bonnie Mary kind of echo some of the 61 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: character descriptions that you find in that book. But he 62 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: kind of lays out their lives and both Mary and 63 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: an uh, we're illegitimate children. Um, which one you want 64 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: to talk about first? Christ And as we do Mary 65 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: or and why don't we start out with a Bonnie 66 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: who was the illegitimate child of her wealthy lawyer father 67 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: and a maid in the house, and scandal erupts once 68 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: the wife figures out what's going on, and the father, 69 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: the maid and little baby and flee to the Carolina's. 70 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: And sometimes Anne was disguise as a child of the 71 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: relative rather than the child of this man and this 72 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: and this maid, because the father, as you said, was 73 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: very wealthy. Now that becomes key because as Anne gets older, 74 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: she turns her back on all this wealth and privilege 75 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: because she falls in love with the sailor James Bonnie. 76 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: The downfall of every young girl to fall in love 77 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 1: with the sailor, And so she follows him and begins 78 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: cross dressing in men's clothing so that she can be 79 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: on ships with him. But eventually he kind of proved 80 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,679 Speaker 1: the dud, and so she leaves him to become Calico 81 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: Jack fellow pirate and lover lover. Now, right around that 82 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: same time when she's getting on the ship and getting 83 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: cozy with Calico Jack. She meets another lady in disguise 84 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: whose name is Mary Reid. And Mary Reid has a 85 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:52,679 Speaker 1: much different story instead of Uh. In contrast, I should 86 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,799 Speaker 1: say to and Bonnie's fall from wealth. Mary Reid grew 87 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: up the illegitimate daughter of a prostitute, and to her 88 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: mother would dress her as a boy. I guess, just 89 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: because it would be easier. Back back in the day. 90 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 1: It was something far saucier Kristen. Her husband had died 91 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: and she had had a baby by him, who was 92 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: a boy. So in order to get the husband's family 93 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: to pay out the money for the baby, she said, Oh, 94 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: here's that boy I had, uh, And it was little 95 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: little Mary dressed up as a boy. And according to 96 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: some legend, Mary didn't figure this cell until she was 97 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: pretty old. She was not a boy um because she 98 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: crossed dress for pretty much the entire time she grew up. Yeah, 99 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: And she went off to join the navy as a 100 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: man um and she was she fell in love with 101 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: a soldier and that's like I think the first time 102 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: that she revealed to someone that she was a female. 103 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: And a scholar named Joanna pastel. When she's recoining this, 104 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: Mary Reid has to do a lot of like big reveals. 105 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: Apparently she's a woman, and apparently the way that Mary 106 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: Reid would always reveal her womanhood was just to rip 107 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: open her shirt and say, here are my breasts. I 108 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: am a woman. Um And you just gotta imagine that 109 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: happening on a pirate ship. And it's kind of funny 110 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: that was never in any of the Giant Dept movies 111 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: I saw. Um So anyway, when when she's not revealing 112 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: her breast dramatically, she's a soldier. She is fighting and 113 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: one time she falls in love with this guy and 114 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: the guy matches to pick a fight with someone and 115 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: they're going to fight a duel, and Mary realizes, oh god, 116 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: this this guy is not going to handle himself in 117 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: a duel. So she goes off and picks a fight 118 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: with the same guy and arranges for her duel to 119 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: take place two hours earlier. She goes off to her duel, 120 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: kills her enemy and that way saves the guy's life, 121 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: but not before bearing her breast to demonstrate before she 122 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: kills him that he had just been beaten by a woman. Yeah, 123 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: she was like look at this suck up, which I 124 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: guess maybe gave him a nice final moment. Anyway, then 125 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: after all this this drama, she ends up on Calico 126 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: Jack's ship, and there's a little bit of a rumor 127 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: that maybe Anne fell in love with all Mary. Yeah, 128 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: there are some being undertones and certain retellings of the 129 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: story solved, of course, and that the theory is that 130 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: An didn't know that Mary was a woman. So therefore 131 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: Mary revealed herself as Mary because I guess what she did, folks, 132 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: pulled up her top and revealed her breath, which which 133 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: led Anne to do the same thing. And that's how 134 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: it became known on this ship that there were two 135 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: women aboard. Now, as you as you can guess, I mean, 136 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: is common knowledge. Pirate ships are sort of like a 137 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: floating man cave. I mean, it's it's a very testosterone 138 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: heavy situation. And by all accounts, Mary and Anne were 139 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: right in there with them doing all the heavy grunt 140 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: work that they thought ladies the time would be unable 141 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: to do. They got to go aboard ships that they conquered, 142 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: which was a very big honor for any pirate, and 143 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: it was accorded to these women. So uh, the scholar mentioned. 144 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: Joanna Pastel writes about how these women really did kind 145 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: of live outside of the normative female roles to become pirates, 146 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: but then they managed to sort of take back again 147 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: by you know, managing to maintain harmony on the ship 148 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: even when it was exposed that they were women. Yeah, 149 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: because pirate ships often had very strict rules of no 150 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: women aboard, and that's not just for people sailing on 151 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: the ship, but also for people they capture, um pirates 152 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: trying to bring lovers onto the ship. A lot of 153 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: times it was pretty much outlawed. Even though we often 154 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: associate piracy with raping and pillaging, right, they thought, you know, 155 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: it was in their by laws that you could not, 156 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: especially on this ship, that you could not have women 157 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: on there because it would destroy the peace. Men's ships 158 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: were these fraternities as a word that keeps coming up 159 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: that you know, they lived by these codes that were 160 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: ones that they had set rather than the strict rules 161 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: that they're you know, awful captainance set. And for someone 162 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: to break these rules was really you know, punishable by death. 163 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: So the fact that these women were exposed to managed 164 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: to survive despite the fact that it was no Girls 165 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: Allowed Club. Uh, pretty pretty interesting. And Bonnie and Reed 166 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: ended up outlasting all of the other sailors on Calico 167 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: Jack's ship because at one point, of course, the ship 168 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: is captured because like we mentioned, this is going on 169 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: during the Golden Age of piracy, which is from seventeen 170 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: thirteen to seventeen thirty. And a little fun historical fact, Uh, 171 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: the English really started going after these pirate ships at 172 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: the behest of slave traders because they were the ones 173 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: who were getting who are bearing the brunt of all 174 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: the pirate ships. The pirate ships would would come and 175 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: find them and then ransack all their stuff and screw 176 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: up their um their slave trade. So the slave traders 177 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: were basically lobbying the English Parliament to go out and 178 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: get these pirates. So this happens, and at one point 179 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: Calico Jack Jack's ship is overtaken. All the sailors are 180 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: drunk though, and they can't come out and defend their 181 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: pirate ship except for Bonnie and Read. Apparently they're the 182 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: only ones who aren't wasted, and so they yelled down 183 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: to their their fellow pirates and say, come up, your 184 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: cowards and fight like men, and and it does that 185 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: one of them shoot one of the one of their 186 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: fellow pirates because he's just being such a think So yeah, 187 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 1: I mean, they're just really having to take matters into 188 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: their own hands. But unfortunately get captured. They get captured, 189 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: so they go to trial, and the trial becomes kind 190 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: of a big deal because the country wants to make 191 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: an example of these pirates. So the pirates are growing 192 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: up one by one, including Calico Jack, and they're all 193 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: being sentenced to death. And so then it comes up 194 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: for old Mary Read and a Bonnie and they say 195 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: by what, by what words should you not be executed? 196 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: And they replied, my Lord, we plead our bellies. And 197 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: so then they just like this would be key of 198 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: the Halloween cost and Kristen by the way, then they 199 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 1: just you know, they show like, oh, we're pregnant, look 200 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: show off their baby bugs. I feel like at this 201 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: point Mary Read probably would have ripped a shirt open, 202 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: but probably not in a courtroom, but that seems like 203 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: something she would do. Um anyway, so they're like, yeah, 204 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: we're pregnant, and but lo and behold they were, Yeah, 205 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: we're pregnant, lo and behold they were. There's no I 206 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: guess Calico Jack maybe fathered one of them. There's really 207 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: no evidence as to who these which pirates were the 208 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: Lucky Fathers, um, but so they their their execution was postponed. 209 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: And I think my favorite factoid is that a Bonnie 210 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: got to see Calico Jack one last time and um, 211 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: the only thing she said to him, it was not 212 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: like some tearful goodbye. It was like, you know, we 213 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't be in this situation if you were a better pirate. Well, 214 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: may I quote welly, of course I hope you will. 215 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: Had you fought like a man, you needn't have been 216 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: hanged like a dog. I mean, that's so burn Calico. Yeah, 217 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: and especially hearing that from a woman at the time. 218 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: That's why I think these these ladies become so iconic 219 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: is that they sort of, you know, outlasted the guys 220 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: and but at the same time they were able to 221 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: reclaim some femaleness by by being pregnant at the very 222 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: climactic moment, I mean, and constantly bearing their breasts. Yeah. 223 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: You have to wonder like if they if that ship 224 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: hadn't been caught and they had brought these parancs at term, 225 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: would they have been like these pirate moms like on 226 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 1: the ships, Like you don't get any indication that their 227 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: bellies that have slowed them down right, they were just 228 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: really a very convenient excuse. Now here's one thing we 229 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: got to talk about with this whole lady pirate history is, 230 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: of course An Bonnie and Mary Reid are the two 231 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: most prominent figures that we hear about. We also hear 232 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: about Grasa Malley, who was an Irish landowner who had 233 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: a fleet of ship. She wasn't technically a pirate, but 234 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: she's often lumped in with you know, women on the 235 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: seas around this time, we have Hannah Snell, who fought 236 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 1: with the English Army by cross dressing, and some other characters. 237 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: But over and over and over again, when we're looking 238 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: into this history of piracy, it's very Anglo centric. In fact, 239 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: I think the only one that we were able to 240 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: come across that wasn't you know, from this golden age 241 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: of piracy, that wasn't you know an English lady was 242 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: um a pirate from China named Chang So who married 243 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: a pirate captain named Chang and when he passed away, 244 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: she kind of worked her match to become the most 245 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: powerful pirates of the South China. Sea. Yeah. According to 246 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: an article from CNN, uh she controlled a fleet of 247 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: more than fifteen hundred ships and upwards of eighty thousand sailors, 248 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: and she was reputedly more strict than her husband was. 249 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: It was like once he died, she really tightened the reins, 250 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: probably because she was a woman in control of eighty 251 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: thousand men and had to kind of prove herself. And 252 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: so the code of context she wrote for her men 253 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: included beheading as payment for disobedience and deserters might lose 254 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: their ears. Pretty hard core. But what about female prisoners? 255 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: So Molly, this was kind of this was kind of interesting. 256 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: She she would return ugly women to shore free of charge, 257 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: whereas attractive women captives were auctioned off to the crew. 258 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: She was a piggy one, she was. She had some 259 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: weird carrots and sticks in her operation. And pirates are 260 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: aren't non existent these days. Of course, when we hear 261 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: about piracy on the seas, it's often related to Somalia. 262 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: But when it comes to women and pirates in the 263 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: situation with Somalia, we don't have there. There aren't the 264 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: and bodies and Mary reads that come up right, Molly, 265 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: and no, and you know, I really don't know if 266 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: history could handle another Mary read walking around flashing everybody. 267 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: So this we found this article about the smally pirate 268 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: situation by Shakira Deany, who writes about how smaller pirates 269 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: have affected the women of that area. UM. On the 270 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: one hand, the pirates do sometimes bring money into the 271 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: region that the women desperately need to care for their families. UM. 272 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: In some respects, they're really marriageable prospect because they do 273 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: have money. It's a very poor area. UM. But on 274 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: the other hand, Uh, Denie makes the point that if 275 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: we bring these women into the conversations about piracy that 276 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: they're not at the table for right now, that might 277 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: be the way to end the piracy. And that's something 278 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: we've talked about before Christen on the podcast, about bringing 279 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: women in the developing world to the table so that 280 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: they can talk about these issues that affect them. Because 281 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: Denie believes that because these men have wives, that that's 282 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: an influence that the world you know at large, is 283 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: not utilizing to stop the piracy. So. UM, it was 284 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: really interesting article about how you know, on one hand, 285 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: the piracy can benefit the smaller women. On the other hand, 286 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of men get killed and those 287 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: men our husbands and fathers, and they that leaves the 288 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: women impoverished. So it was just an interesting reminder that, uh, 289 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: in this pirate situation, it does help to remember the women. Yeah, 290 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: because for piracy today, it certainly doesn't seem like there 291 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: are many women actually involved in um, you know, on 292 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: the ships, involved in the hand to hand combat and 293 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: things like that and holding people ransom, but they're still 294 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: having to deal with the repercussions of it. So maybe 295 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: working with them rather than the men might help things exactly. So, 296 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: if there are any tidbits about women in piracy, prominent 297 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: female pirates, we have failed to mention. I know we 298 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: talked a lot about Bonnie and Red, but because it 299 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: was Halloween research, Halloween research in February, you can never 300 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: call us underprepared. So send us an email mom Stuff 301 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: at how stuff works dot com. And I've got an 302 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: email here from Tori who writes, I am a twenty 303 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: five year old post menopausal female and so this is 304 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: about the podcast on hot Flashes, and Tory gives us 305 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of the background as to why she 306 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: went through menopause, but what I really want to share 307 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: is how she dealt with hot flashes. She writes, I 308 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: usually have strong feelings of claustrophobic like panic before a 309 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: hot flash. I'd be sitting in seventeenth century French lit, 310 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: fighting strong or just to plea the room, and suddenly 311 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: I'd be distracted by an overwhelming and very embarrassing wave 312 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: of heat. My favorite trick was to look for something metal, 313 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: such as a bar, on the side of my desk, 314 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: and place the inside of my wrist against it. Usually 315 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: metal in an air conditioned space is fairly cool, and 316 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: the inside of the wrist is very sensitive. I love 317 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: this because it's a lot more discrete than an ice 318 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: pack or desperate removal of clothing, So thank you, toys. 319 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: I've got an email here in response to our podcast 320 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: on dreams, and this is from Christine, who writes, I'm 321 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: a male to female transsexual who started hormone replacement therapy 322 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: a little over a year ago. Was within six months 323 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: on testosterone blockers in estrogen. I noticed a few significant 324 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: changes in my dreams. For one, I now remember a 325 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: lot more of them. Before I remembered maybe a couple 326 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: of months, and now I recalled details from dreams several 327 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: nights a week now. Whether this is simply because I'm 328 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: remembering more of them or not of also had an 329 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: increase in the number of nightmares. These range from the mundane, 330 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: such just getting yelled at by my boss, to outlandish, 331 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: like defending myself during an alien invasion. 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