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Speaker 1: H Hello friends, I'm Robert Evans, and this is Behind

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Speaker 1: the Bastards, the show where we tell you everything you

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Speaker 1: don't know about the very worst people in all of history.

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Speaker 1: This is part two of our episode on Prince Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame say Hannac, the man who made poll pot possible,

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Speaker 1: which I am very proud of myself for saying properly.

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Speaker 1: My guest, as with the last episode, is Caitlin Gill,

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Speaker 1: comedian writer and possibly third gunmen on the grass Nal.

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Speaker 1: There's no way to prove that one, even because it's

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Speaker 1: speaking of the nineteen sixties. Prince nor Dam sat Hanno

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Speaker 1: starts the nineteen sixties as President and head of State

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Speaker 1: for life of Cambodia. He has purged the left wing

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Speaker 1: in his own country, the Democratic Party, who threatened to

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Speaker 1: overwhelm Cambodia with moderate liberal votes. So he's he's getting

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Speaker 1: rid of those guys and he's down in charge. And say, Hannah,

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Speaker 1: let's get into his personality a little bit, because he's

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Speaker 1: the sort of monarchy thinks being king should be a

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Speaker 1: at the time described him as quote an artist lost

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Speaker 1: have ever encountered who deserves to be described as charismatic.

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Speaker 1: On an individual basis, he radiated charm and four Cambodians

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Speaker 1: in particular, he had a striking capacity to enthrall a

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Speaker 1: performing elaborate song and dance numbers at his parties, including

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Speaker 1: one reported double act with the Indonesian dictator Sukarnod Wouldn't

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Speaker 1: you want to see that? While? Yeah? Can you fucking

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Speaker 1: Matt oh Man? Have you ever seen the movie uh

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Speaker 1: White Christmas? Yeah? You know that song that the two

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Speaker 1: ladies do, Sisters that they the sisters, And then I

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Speaker 1: imagine it being that with these two guys who have

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Speaker 1: are amazing. He's also in a jazz band like Bill,

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Speaker 1: Like Bill Clinton. Uh, he was not on our sineo,

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Speaker 1: Here's another quote from that Australian diplomat at a sa

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Speaker 1: And of course we all did. So he's fucking charming.

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Speaker 1: He's great at playing like and that that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: But every report is that he was actually a really

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Speaker 1: party with. He's just also made himself absolute ruler of

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Speaker 1: domestic troubles. Uh. He nationalized all trade and all of

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Speaker 1: Uh So a number of his films followed the same

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Speaker 1: So this story from nineteen fifty seven is kind of

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Speaker 1: they kill. This backfires because the King's soldiers just start decapitating. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not too long film. It's a simple drama about an

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Speaker 1: I'm just jealous of you for having a guest room. No,

428
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,880
Speaker 1: I don't have a guest from us speaking proverbially about

429
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 1: a fake house and a metaphor for Cambodia being a

430
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 1: house where you destroyed part of your own home so

431
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 1: you could keep a bigger part of it. Never mind,

432
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: leave my analogy behind. I'm still jealous. Uh So, Obviously,

433
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 1: this bombing pisces off a lot of Cambodians, and it

434
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 1: also hurts the Prince among the Cambodian right wing because

435
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 1: they wanted to work with the US to exterminate the

436
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 1: Communists from the beginning. So they saw this as the

437
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 1: Prince admitting that he had been wrong to turn down

438
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 1: America before. Uh So. The book pole Pot The Anatomy

439
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 1: of Terror basically says that this was the point when

440
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 1: the Prince's strategies finally failed him. He'd wiped out the

441
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 1: left wing of his own party, so he couldn't throw

442
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: them under the bus. Instead, he took the hits and

443
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 1: saw his power a road. Parliament refused to drop a

444
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 1: corruption inquiry involving in a member of his entourage, and

445
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 1: he wound up losing face in public, which is a

446
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 1: big deal in that part of the world. Uh So,

447
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: In addition to all this, the Prince is trying to

448
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 1: figure out how to balance the budget. Rampant corruption and

449
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 1: a war had not been kind to Cambodia's finances. Fortunately,

450
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: he found a quick, easy fix. And then I guess

451
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 1: what it is, slaves man? You are? You keep calling slaves?

452
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: Not yet it's gambled, dang it. Gambling, sweet lady gambling.

453
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 1: Uh so, Prince Hannox sells gambling licenses to two casinos

454
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: for a fee of eighty million francs per year each.

455
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: This made up a huge chunk of the budget shortfall

456
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: and was exactly the wrong thing to do while fighting

457
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 1: a civil war against communists, who claim that you're letting

458
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: the elite suck poor people dry. Uh yeah, so here's

459
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 1: a quote from that book of the Enemy of Terror.

460
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: Non pen was soon alive with stories of people committing

461
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: suicide after losing their life savings. Business activity slumped as

462
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: factory owners, government official, shopkeepers, and laborers spent their days

463
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 1: and nights courting ruin at the betting tables. So the

464
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: right wing takes all of this is evidence that the

465
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: Prince should not be in power anymore. They start stripping

466
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 1: away the things he controls. Over the next year, boxing

467
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: amount of decisions and overruling him, he becomes openly hostiles

468
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: to the parliament. At one point, he makes fun of

469
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: the right leader Lawnnell, for being out of the country

470
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: while he was receiving major surgery in Switzerland. Immediately after

471
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 1: making fun of lawn null for this, Prince Hannet goes

472
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: on vacation for a few months in the Mediterranean in Europe. Yep, yeah,

473
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: he goes to fat Camp. Uh. So this was a

474
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: strategy of his when things got hot politically, he would

475
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 1: just leave and go to fat Camp or go on

476
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 1: vacation for a couple of months and if things got

477
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 1: better when he was away, and then hey, things were better,

478
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: and if they got worse than he would just blame

479
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: whoever was in charge while he was away. He hadn't

480
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: been here, so it wasn't his fault. But this time,

481
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: while he's away, Parliament votes to withdraw confidence from the

482
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: Prince and demand that he relinquishes off as his head

483
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 1: of state. So in March of nineteen seventy, while he's

484
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: fucking around in Europe, he gets cooed out of power. Now,

485
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: at this point he had a number of options. He

486
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 1: did have a palace on the French Riviera. He could

487
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: have just retired, flown there and you know, hung out

488
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 1: between there and with his homeboy Kim Il Sung and

489
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: just kind of enjoyed life. Or he could try to

490
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: get back into power. He just chills, right, he just

491
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: kicks it at the French rivierea. No, he decides that

492
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: he still wants to be the king of well, the

493
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: prince of Cambodia. He still wants to be you know, yeah,

494
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: he wants revenge actually is kind of more what he's

495
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: going for, because he does not decide to fly back

496
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: and fight, you know, in the city, you know, at

497
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: the ballot box to try to to regain his position

498
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: from the people who had overthrown him. He brokers or

499
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: gets a meeting set up between himself and the Camers

500
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: rouges Uh and he agrees that he will support them

501
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 1: now if they will back him as being the head

502
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: of state once they take power. So the king who

503
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: has spent most of the last decade fighting the communists

504
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: is now supporting the communists and is a king that

505
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: is the figurehead of a communist revolution trying to overthrow

506
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: the country of Cambodia. Um, so he has he has

507
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: really just kept swinging around here. So what's interesting to

508
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: me about this is that at no point does he

509
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: think he's going to actually be in real power again.

510
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: The king knows from the get go that the communists

511
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: aren't going to let him actually rule the country. He's

512
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: going to be a figurehead, and he's like, he's open

513
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,479
Speaker 1: about the fact they're going to spit him out as

514
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: soon as they're done with him. So he backs his

515
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: former enemies, not because he's going to get to be

516
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: in charge again, but because fuck the right wing for

517
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: throwing him out of power. It's just about spite. Um.

518
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, back in Cambodia, the right wing is finding

519
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 1: out that kicking the prince out was not necessarily a

520
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: great move because while he had lost the support of

521
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 1: the people in the cities, the peasants don't know how

522
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: to deal with the fact that the prince, who was

523
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: to them still the king, had been fired. One Catholic

524
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: missionary at the time recalls being asked, how shall we

525
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: tend our rice patties now that the king is not

526
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: here to make it rain? So? Uh maybe not a

527
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: great decision on behalf of the Cambodian right wing. Although

528
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: if you're them, what do you do with this fucking guy? Yeah, yes,

529
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: there's no win for anybody but him, exactly. Uh So,

530
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: the popularity of the Khmers Rouges explodes now that they've

531
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: got Sienook as a your head. A writer from The

532
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: New Yorker at the time noted his name became the

533
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: camer Rouge's greatest recruitment tool, and the most extreme communist

534
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: movement in history, swept to power on royal coat tails.

535
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: The civil war lasted five years and killed at least

536
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: half a million people, So it's on par with the

537
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: Syrian Civil War in terms of bloodiness already and in

538
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: a in a shorter period of time. Um, it had

539
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: been bad before, but the coup ramped things up to

540
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: nightmare dimensions. What kind of warfare is this that's killing

541
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: so many people because there's not This isn't like it

542
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: wasn't like there were twenty million soldiers. I really recommend

543
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: giving a read to the book pulp At the Anatomy

544
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: of a Nightmare, because he talks a lot about Camar culture.

545
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: But basically things are very black and white and sort

546
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: of the culturals view on good and evil. So there's

547
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: not like in Maoice China when they would when the

548
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: communists one, there were people who were executed, but more

549
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: often than not they try to sort of reform people

550
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: and make them get them to work within the new system.

551
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: They don't really do that here. So it's like I

552
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: take no prisoners thing exactly Is this like straight up

553
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: machete to body or is this are there chemical weapons?

554
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: Are there because there's bombs in the country that have

555
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: been traveling to and fro. There are so many people's weapons,

556
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: there's weapons that you're making. So we drop something like

557
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: I had this written down at someone before, but we

558
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: dropped almost as many bombs as we dropped on Europe

559
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: and World War two on the U S does just

560
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: on Cambodia during this period. So that's a big part

561
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: of it. And there's stories from like American military planners

562
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: at the time who they would have you know, they

563
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: had be fifty twos flying over the country and they

564
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: would have like a map of Cambodi that laid out

565
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: where all the villages they knew existed were, and they

566
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: would have this little box that they would place on

567
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: the map that would show this is what one B

568
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: fifty two will destroy. And it's noted that like you

569
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: can't put them anywhere on the map without hitting villages.

570
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: So the bombing wipes out hundreds of thousands of people,

571
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: and in general, just the war it's unspeakably brutal. Um

572
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: So there's both uprisings that are suppressed by soldiers massacring people. Um,

573
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: the Khmers rouges passed after like nineteen seventy three start

574
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: massacring people to like at the beginning of the war. That, yeah,

575
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: it just turns into madness. This is like people dying

576
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: in all of these fights happening because there are several

577
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: wars bubbling in Camboi at this time, and the prince

578
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: had kind of established the precedent of massacring the Communist

579
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: anywhere you found them. There was never any sort of

580
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,239
Speaker 1: reform or just putting people in jail or whatever it was.

581
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: We capture them, we massacre them in public, and so

582
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: that kind of raised the stakes for everybody, and it

583
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: it just turned into a fucking blood bath. Um, there's

584
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: a number of stories of people having their livers cut

585
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: out and eaten in front of crowds, because that becomes

586
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: a thing, or had been a thing for a while,

587
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: but it like especially becomes a thing now is a

588
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: mysterious and powerful organ. Yeah, it's mystic power. It's unbelievably brutal,

589
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: and it's made worse by the fact that a lot

590
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: of the Camerorou soldiers are like peasants who before the

591
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: war had started had like didn't have electricity and like

592
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: didn't use money and just lived like a peaceful pastoral life.

593
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: And then fire starts falling from the sky and they

594
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: blame it all on the people in the fucking cities

595
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: who are the center of the government forces. And so

596
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: it's it's horrible. The war is horrible. Yeah, Eventually the

597
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: government loses the commers, rouges Win and the princes back

598
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: in his kingdom. He had succeeded in creating the conditions

599
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: four and then bringing to power the most radical, unhinged

600
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: communists in world history. So we'll do a whole podcast

601
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: in the camar Rouge at some point, but to give

602
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: you an idea of how nuts things are from the

603
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: get go, Like, the first big thing they do when

604
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: they're in power is make everybody leave the cities, Like

605
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: the non pin The capital had swelled like two point

606
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: two million people by the time they took over, mostly

607
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: from like rural people fleeing in the wake of this

608
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: war to try to get somewhere safe. So they take

609
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: all of these city people and all the people who

610
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: lived in towns, people who are like middle class factory workers,

611
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: people who are educated people. All those people they make

612
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: leave the city and march out into the country and

613
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: start farming. Um. So the death toll from the Khmer

614
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: Rouge is usually put anywhere between one point five million

615
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: to three and a half million. At most half a

616
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: million to a million. Of those were executions from the government,

617
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: were actually pole Pot and his cronies saying we need

618
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: to kill these people, and these people they did a

619
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: lot of that, but the vast majority of people who

620
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: died just starved to death, not because they were trying

621
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: to starve people to death, but because they just had

622
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: no idea what they were doing and had these crazy

623
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: theories about what would make the country most productive, that

624
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: we could make Cambodia into like this engine of agricultural

625
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: production if we throw everyone out of the cities and

626
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: make them farm. And there's stories of them like taking

627
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of former diplomats and stuff and making them

628
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: like try to grow crops in a basketball court, like

629
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: it's it's it's fucking batshit crazy. But these people only

630
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: get into power because the king first took his country

631
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: from a place where there was no sort of foothold

632
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: for the communists and did everything that you'd want to

633
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: do to encourage the movement, and then backed them and

634
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: help them recruit an army so that they could take

635
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: over the country, just for his own petty, uh sense

636
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: of vengeance. So, uh, it's a nightmare. It's possible that

637
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: as many as three and a half million out of

638
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: a population of seven million Cambodians died. It's probably the

639
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: highest proportion of a country ever murdered by their own government. Uh. Yeah.

640
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: When you asked me at the top of the last

641
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: episode what I knew about this year in history, it's

642
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: like it's it's hard to jump in cold and be like, well,

643
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: isn't that where half of a country died? That's what

644
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

645
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: killed like intellectual but it was more of a like

646
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: anyone who just disagreed with them thing. Yeah yeah, okay, okay,

647
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: Well it wasn't like that's not even the like that's

648
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: what gets like, that's a thing that they killed a

649
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: lot of intellectuals, but most of the deaths are again

650
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: just because they had no idea what they were doing

651
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: with all that, Like it was people who and like

652
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: some of it. Like well, also, when you do end

653
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: up killing your intellectuals, whether or not, it's because they

654
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: are intellectual because they just agree with you. It is

655
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: difficult to make new plants. Yeah, it's difficult to to

656
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: make things work. They do stuff like try to make

657
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: everybody eat their meals communally in order to encourage a

658
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: lot of it. Like they make it illegal to hunt

659
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: and to forage for food, so like people starve even more.

660
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: It's just a nightmare. And it's like the last people

661
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 1: who should be in charge of a country wind up

662
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: in charge of a country. But this whole time, the

663
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: prince is is writing out his time in a mansion. Um.

664
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: You know, he's not given any real power and he's

665
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: not allowed to leave, so he's kind of on house arrest.

666
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: But but in a sick house, he has it hard

667
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: to and he complains during this time that he regularly

668
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: is not given enough bananas to make bananas foster. So

669
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 1: everyone is suffering in Cambodia right now is the point? Okay,

670
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: the suffering of bananas. You only need one bananas foster

671
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: is just basically banana flame. But you can do one banana.

672
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: What if you want to cook a lot of bananas foster?

673
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: Too bad, you get one banana. I'm just saying he's suffering,

674
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: is he's suffering a lot to uh you know. One

675
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: of the things that the camer Rouge did at this

676
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: point in time was because there was a blood shortage,

677
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: they would suck the blood out of living people until

678
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: they died. But the king is suffering too, okay. Uh

679
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: So the camer Rouge is in power for three and

680
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: a half years before they provoke an invasion from Vietnam.

681
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: The Vietnamese invasion goes well in terms of kicking the

682
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: camer Rouge out of power because they're not great at

683
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: defending the country, but the occupation turns into a long,

684
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: bloody ordeal and if through like basically the whole eighties,

685
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: it's Vietnam's Vietnam, only unlike us, they arguably one because

686
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: the government that they sort of backed and set up

687
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: is pretty much still empowered today. Um Siena backs the

688
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: new government. Uh you know, he eventually escapes the camar Rouge.

689
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: He backs the new government, which quickly turns into a dictatorship,

690
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: which Sen spends the rest of his life complaining about

691
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: because they very effectively managed to sideline him from any

692
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: real power and take away and take awayal has bananas.

693
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: In two thousand and five, he started a blog so

694
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: that he could complain about corruption. No, that bitch had

695
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: a blog, had a blog. I already did not like him.

696
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: He had a blog, like a live journal or some

697
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: two thousand five. It's on his personal website, and it's

698
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: from long enough ago that the news coverage refers to

699
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: it as a web blog. You might say that the

700
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: Prince was insulated from most of the horrors of the

701
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: Camarouge regime that helped bring to power. But in nine

702
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: two he makes a movie about a love triangle in

703
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: a hospital filled with land mine victims. So he, oh

704
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: my god, he clearly understood. Yeah. Yeah, And you imagine

705
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: being like a background actor like in the Prince's movie.

706
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: Like you just get your background actor, you get paid whatever,

707
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: You get paid a day to go sit in the

708
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: back of the set, and that day it happens to

709
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: be the Prince's set and you have to go pretend

710
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: to be a blomb victim. Well, no, you're not pretending, yeah,

711
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: he probably, Yeah, you're probably bomb victim. You're right, it's

712
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: true because half the population died, and that does not

713
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: account the wounded who survived. So there's a huge community

714
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: of people who are limbless and would be excellent extras

715
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: for such a You know, I'll say it right now,

716
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: it's an easy gig to be the casting director in

717
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: that movie. Yeah, you know, you're not going to have

718
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: to look as hard as you probably should know that.

719
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: You just walk down the street and you're look for

720
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: someone who can't walk down the street, and your job

721
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: is done. Oh boy. So here's how the website Genocide Watch,

722
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: who wrote about the Prince's blog, described it. He posts

723
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: sharp opinions on what he considers the deplorable state of

724
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: Cambodian society and politics, highlighting corruption, deforestation, and injustice. As

725
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: often as not, he blames Hansen, who's the guy he

726
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: initially backed into power, in a diplomatically indirect manner that

727
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: is little to disguise his target. Uh So the Prince

728
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: continued to direct movies through until the early two thousands.

729
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: This man, who previously had had thousands of people beheaded,

730
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: directed and wrote a movie called Apostle of Non Violence.

731
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: I found a plot synopsis. A Buddhist monk preaches non

732
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: violence and forgiveness to rural villagers, rebels, and national army

733
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 1: soldiers in the recent civil war. After the rebels destroy

734
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: a village. The monk enlists the help of a government

735
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: official who sends troops to attack the rebels. So even

736
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: his movie about non violences troops and to attack the rebels.

737
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: He's a piece of work. Yeah, it's impressive. Yeah. His

738
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: last four movies were released in two thousand six. I'm

739
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: going to read their titles in order. Commander of the

740
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: Royal Order of Kodong, which fine. Four wives are not

741
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: such fun? Oh man? I just pictured like Steve Martin

742
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: and Queen Latifa on the cover of that one. For

743
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 1: some reason, How did you guess the cast who doesn't

744
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: have a mistress? And then Mississina, which I'm guessing is

745
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: about his mistress. I don't know, Um he died? Does

746
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: his wife play his mistress? I'm not able to find

747
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: any real information about this one, so I'm sorry about that.

748
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm also curious about his wife. What's her deal? She

749
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: sticks around the whole time she's here. She died at

750
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 1: some point. Yeah, everybody didn't take notes on that because

751
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: I'm a hack in a fraud. But he does die

752
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: of cancer in two thousand twelve. Uh So now he's dead,

753
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: which is good because he's a monster. Yeah, not not

754
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: not a good guy. Here's a picture of him in

755
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: the forties. Dam it's still handsome, Still handsome, still handsome.

756
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: You can tell from those little cheeks that like he's

757
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: about to head off to France and like cry in

758
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: a bathroom while he doesn't eat for three days. I

759
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 1: don't know, he looks good. I'm just saying he wears it. Well, yeah,

760
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: but you have to see what he sees in the mirror,

761
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: which is the kid his mom always called Tubby. Yes,

762
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 1: we'll post this picture on He's wearing what I hate

763
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: to say is a fantastic shirt. It is in a

764
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: really great sash. Human biology is so weird because I

765
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: know what this man has done. You've just spent a

766
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: good deal of time explaining to me how truly terrible

767
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: he is. And yet at the end of that time

768
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: you showed me a picture of him, and I'm like, yeah,

769
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. Who doesn't have a mistress,

770
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And when he died, millions

771
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: of people showed up in Cambodia to honor him. Pictures

772
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: of him went up everywhere. I'm gonna guess there's still

773
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: a lot of picture of him all around the country. Uh,

774
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: He's still beloved by large chunks of the population today,

775
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 1: although there are obviously people who also recognize he uh

776
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: kind of contributed heavily to, you know, the worst political

777
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: disaster maybe in all of history. In terms of one

778
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: nation's modern history. It is tough to duplicate. A few

779
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: places are really trying, Like it's amazing even Hitler didn't

780
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: succeed in getting that larger percentage of his country wiped out,

781
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: and he was close. I will say, if we actually

782
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 1: looked at our own history and we're honest about who

783
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: was actually here and who we killed, we're pretty our

784
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: numbers are it starts before we existed, which is the

785
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: tough thing. But yes, yeah, yeah, that's but that's a distinction.

786
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: That's you know, doesn't he when lives don't they were

787
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: all they were, They were just there. But then he

788
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,479
Speaker 1: got yeah, yeah, they were like a hundred million people

789
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: in the America's and then no, not so much. I

790
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: just couldn't help it. So it is easy to look

791
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: somewhere else and be like, can you believe it? You

792
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: have to look back in the you know, mirror and

793
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, yeah, I guess I can. We've also, yeah, crazy,

794
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: how weird it can get where it's just normal to

795
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: go fishing and move heads out of the way, that

796
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: things get out of hand fast. Yeah, well that escalated quickly. Yeah,

797
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: it's weird. How that's like that is the way mass

798
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: killings always kind of work. And in the book I

799
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: was reading for the podcast we recorded a little earlier

800
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: about King Leopold of Belgium. Oh man, that guy, that guy.

801
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: But it's it's just talking about how mass killings start,

802
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: and it's a little bit like how the flu spreads,

803
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: where one group of people decides, Okay, we're going to

804
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: massacre anyone to try to get this finished quickly. We're

805
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: just going to kill everyone who disagrees with us, and

806
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: then suddenly everybody's murdering everybody, like it just spreads like

807
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: a flippery Yeah, And that's really like se A. Nook

808
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: wasn't the architect of the Khmer Rouge's disastrous policies, but

809
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: he was the guy an architect to anything. No, he

810
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: just wanted to stay in power, and he was willing.

811
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: He's the guy who escalated the violence to the point

812
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: where past a certain point, even if pol Pot had

813
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: died in nineteen fifty and never got someone would have

814
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: wound up doing terrible ship in his place, because the

815
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: king had just stacked all these dominoes up like he

816
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: guaranteed something terrible was going to happen. Maybe Poulpot made

817
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: it a lot worse. Maybe only thirty percent of Cambodia

818
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: dies if someone else is in charge. But because of

819
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: what the prince had done, something fucking bad was going

820
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: to happen. I feel like we've all done this tour

821
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: ourselves with you know, ice cream and taco bell. It's

822
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: oreos and like each of these things individually might have

823
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: been okay if just one had happened, if only just

824
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: wanted happen. But no, if you've no no. I was

825
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: talking a little earlier about I ate hundreds of rancid

826
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: muscles recently, and if I had stopped at one, I

827
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: would have been fine. But instead I ate two fifty

828
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: and it was a disaster. And that's you know, life's

829
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: like that sometimes, yes, and in this yeah, yes, yeah.

830
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: A message to all of you kings and princes out there,

831
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: stop after the first rancid muscle. Yes, don't let the

832
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: camar rouge take power. Don't let your rancid muscle be

833
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: a massacre. Work it back from there. I feel like

834
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: we've landed on some wisdom that everyone can benefit here.

835
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: I think we fixed everything. No, massacres a good place

836
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: to stare. It's a good place to start and end.

837
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: Let's just avoid massacres. Yeah, good, that's yes, that's you

838
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: know what I'm going to do that. I had different

839
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: plans for my day, but now I'm gonna avoid. But

840
00:41:54,320 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: I'm not. We go out to Pyramid Lake, you cut

841
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: ten thousand people's heads off. Yeah, and then when you fish,

842
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: you got to move them out of the way. I'm

843
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: really stuck on that imagery. Yeah, fishing is it's supposed

844
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: to be boring and relatively peaceful. There's a calm you

845
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: need to have about you to fish. And if you

846
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: had to summon that calm while just moving heads out

847
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: of the way, that's a lot. That's a lot. I

848
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: gotta feel like though. You get some really fat fish

849
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: in that like, and they're probably easy to catch. Yeah.

850
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: You know. I did eat a fish once that had

851
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: eaten people, um, and it was a good It tasted good,

852
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Speaker 1: it was a good fish like it didn't yeh. Biology

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Speaker 1: is weird turned it into something else it was such

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Speaker 1: a tasty fish. Yeah, but yeah, it had definitely been

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Speaker 1: eating people. An iguana wants is that what we're doing?

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Speaker 1: Are we just trading? Are we trading? Now? What had

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Speaker 1: the iguana been eating? Why did you eat an iguana?

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Speaker 1: Because there's there's too fucking many of them. They're just

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Speaker 1: meat for sure. They're just like fisteen in one Like,

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Speaker 1: once you've seen them on one beach, you understand how

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Speaker 1: many of you are. They're like, Okay, I raise a chicken.

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Speaker 1: There's lots of cats, and we don't need cats personally.

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Speaker 1: They're cute, they're delicious meat. Chickens are cute. No they're not,

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Speaker 1: Yes they are. Chickens are definitely cute. Chickens are assholes.

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Speaker 1: Did you just see a goose and think it was

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Speaker 1: a big chicken? Every goose, every every goose is every

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Speaker 1: chicken head, if I may. But that's where we conclude

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Speaker 1: this episode. Okay, um, I would like to maybe this

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Speaker 1: new tradition, a guest gets to suggest a bastard for

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Speaker 1: the future. Okay, No, I'm a very lazy man, so

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Speaker 1: I curate geese fucking geese to find me a goose

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Speaker 1: that somebody's like that goose was my best friend. I

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Speaker 1: like that it never chased me or tried to peck

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Speaker 1: me in the face. And theus I could just have

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Speaker 1: a goose. Half the episode is like, you know, white

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Speaker 1: goose are evil, and then the other half is like,

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Speaker 1: white geese are delicious. Well that's Caitlin's advice for the

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Speaker 1: week at a goose, take it or leave it. I

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Speaker 1: recommend leaving it. Thank you so much. Uh, well that

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Speaker 1: I have learned, it's only some of the things I

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Speaker 1: wish I didn't know. Um, yeah, thank you. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: don't make me thank Prince Nora dam Shanna, thanks Prince

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Speaker 1: Noradam Sahanak isolate that audio. Yeah pretty sure we're pronouncing

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Speaker 1: it right some of the times. Uh, I am not

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Speaker 1: sure I trust you on this one. I apologize to

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Speaker 1: the camer people listening. I don't apologize to the Prince. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he was a dick, um, but we gotta plug your plugles.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, of course. You can find me at

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Speaker 1: caitlyn gil Comedy dot com or at robot Caitlin on

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Speaker 1: Twitter or at Caitlin is Tall on Instagram. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: you can find me in your heart where I love you.

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Speaker 1: This has been behind the Bastards. I've been Robert Evans.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on the internet at behind the

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Speaker 1: Bastards dot com. I will be listing the sources for

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Speaker 1: this podcast, including the book that was a big part

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Speaker 1: of the research, and all the different websites where I

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Speaker 1: learned about his filmography and stuff. That'll all be up there.

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Speaker 1: A bunch of pictures will be up there. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be great. You can also find us on social media

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Speaker 1: at at Bastards pod. You can find me on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at I write okay to letters there and uh yeah.

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Speaker 1: Next week we will be back with another Bastard, So

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Speaker 1: tune in then, folks. Until then, I love like you

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Speaker 1: five bastards. I love you all. H