WEBVTT - Classic Music Saved Me with Cecilia Castleman

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<v Speaker 1>Music Saved Me.

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<v Speaker 2>Time really does heal. I'm a completely different person from

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<v Speaker 2>back then than when I was now, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>i've everything that's hard. You just mature. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>think I wouldn't be right here if I didn't go

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<v Speaker 2>through everything back then. So I think, as hard as

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<v Speaker 2>it is in the moment, I think in a weird way,

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<v Speaker 2>you learn a lot of beneficial lessons from it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Lynn Hoffman and welcome to the Music Saved Me Podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>the show where we talk with musicians about the deep

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<v Speaker 1>healing power of music. Now, if you like our podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>we hope you do follow us and share with your friends,

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<v Speaker 1>please and thank you. We talk with Hall of famers

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<v Speaker 1>and rising stars, and today I get to speak with

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<v Speaker 1>Glass Note Records recording artists Cecilia Casselman. Her latest single

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<v Speaker 1>is called Looking for June, and her self titled debut

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<v Speaker 1>album will be out in early twenty twenty five. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>explore Cecilia's inspiring journey and how new music has impacted

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<v Speaker 1>her life on Music Saved Me. Cecilia, Welcome to Music

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<v Speaker 1>Saved Me. It's so good to have you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thanks so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to start off with I'm hoping it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a hard question, but I just need to know.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel that music has healing powers? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>One thousand percent. Yeah. I mean that's the whole reason

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<v Speaker 2>I got through my childhood was because of music.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, let's let's talk a little bit about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start off with your first experiences that led you

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<v Speaker 1>to your deep connection with music. Can you tell us

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I mean, I just remember always having a guitar

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<v Speaker 2>within Both of my parents were musicians, and so instead

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, giving me twenty bucks to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the mall, it was here, here's a guitar. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's something free to do. But yet, you know, now

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<v Speaker 2>it's become such a priceless thing in my life. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I was just my mom just sort of bottle fed

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<v Speaker 2>me everything music wise, since I was, you know, such

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<v Speaker 2>a young adult. And I just remember growing up on

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Flew the Mac and Prince and John Mayer

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<v Speaker 2>and I would save We didn't have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>money growing up, my mom and I and so I

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<v Speaker 2>would just save my lunch money and we'd go to

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<v Speaker 2>Best Buy to the clear clearance section. Back when best

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<v Speaker 2>Buy you know, had a music section and I would

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<v Speaker 2>pick out records and that that's what I did, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's all I did. I don't remember ever doing anything

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<v Speaker 2>else besides you know, mowing the yard and listening to

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<v Speaker 2>records growing up?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Now was it was it music and writing songs?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it writing songs first and then writing the music

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<v Speaker 1>for you?

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<v Speaker 2>It was always I love guitar. I'm like a super

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<v Speaker 2>guitar head, so it was always me, you know, writing

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<v Speaker 2>a track and then sort of putting melodies and words

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<v Speaker 2>over it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, would you and write just for yourself and not

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<v Speaker 1>to share with others? Or did you write it thinking

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<v Speaker 1>it was for other people to listen to?

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote it for myself. I wouldn't show anyone, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>no one in school knew I even played guitar loved

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<v Speaker 2>music as much as I did. I think I kept

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<v Speaker 2>it to myself because I didn't want anyone to have

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<v Speaker 2>really opinions about it subconsciously, and I think, I, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's all I did. And it wasn't until later when

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<v Speaker 2>I got a publishing deal and everything that people were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you like you do music, and I was like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I always did. But I think I kept it that

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<v Speaker 2>private for a reason, because it was so sacred to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's very personal for sure. Anyone I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>talked to has always said, you know, it's like I

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<v Speaker 1>always use this example, it's like birthing children, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you put them out there for the world

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<v Speaker 1>to judge, and you have no say over what anyone

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<v Speaker 1>else thinks about it. And you can help, but you

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<v Speaker 1>just don't know. I was just listening to your song

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<v Speaker 1>It's all Right, and I actually was watching the video

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<v Speaker 1>and you play a mean guitar. At the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the show, I'd asked you if you thought music had

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<v Speaker 1>healing powers and that song and the words sort of resonated.

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<v Speaker 1>Did that have anything to do with your life with

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<v Speaker 1>maybe your parents, because I know when you were very

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<v Speaker 1>young it was pretty traumatic for you for them to

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<v Speaker 1>get divorced, And as a child of divorced parents myself,

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<v Speaker 1>I can totally connect with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they split when I was eleven, which was when

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<v Speaker 2>I was started writing. And yeah, it's all right. It's

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<v Speaker 2>very much so that like it's my restless, sort of

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<v Speaker 2>rebellious song that I'm talking to myself, and that song, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, everything is gonna be fine. You're gonna make

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<v Speaker 2>it through, You're gonna grow up, and you're gonna, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>find your way as like a young girl in this world,

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<v Speaker 2>and everything's gonna be fine. And I write a lot

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<v Speaker 2>in the third person, but all of those songs of

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<v Speaker 2>my record are about you know, me, and it's sort

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<v Speaker 2>of a way to sort of shield me and not

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<v Speaker 2>you know, expose everything, which I guess I just did.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's all right, that's about me saying everything's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>That was so interesting because before I heard that, and

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea that that's what that song was about,

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<v Speaker 1>but I knew it was something that was going on

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<v Speaker 1>in your life. Do you believe that the music has

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to give people hope?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh a thousand percent. Yeah. If I didn't have all

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<v Speaker 2>of those records that I did growing up and sort

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<v Speaker 2>of that drive to do something with my life, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I came from nothing. I didn't have anything growing

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<v Speaker 2>up but those songs and what I could play and

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<v Speaker 2>what I could make myself. So yeah, it gives me

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<v Speaker 2>hope for the future for sure. I mean I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have anything without it, and if it went away, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what i'd do, So yeah, a thousand percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know when you were writing songs that it

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<v Speaker 1>was like therapeutic for yourself or did you just know

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<v Speaker 1>that you felt good after you got it on paper?

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<v Speaker 1>How did that work in your mind?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? I think it was all subconscious back then. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I did it and I do it now and

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<v Speaker 2>I still don't know the reason why. I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>what's so magical about music. It was very much so

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<v Speaker 2>a subconscious thing for me back then. In the words

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<v Speaker 2>that I write, I would have never said out loud,

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<v Speaker 2>but somehow I felt a way that I could through

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<v Speaker 2>you know, lyrics. So yeah, I got it all out,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sixteen seventeen and.

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<v Speaker 1>A record deal it twenty one am I right? Uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty amazing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was very very lucky that I had such great

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<v Speaker 2>mentors and you know, everyone around me. Yeah. I still

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<v Speaker 2>have a long way to go, but it's been fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't I can't take it. I mean, it's still

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<v Speaker 2>so new for me to hear people like singing words

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<v Speaker 2>back to me that I just have to look the

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<v Speaker 2>other way. And most of the time it's really nice

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<v Speaker 2>because I can. I you know, it's so dark, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't really see anyone but smaller shows here in Nashville,

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<v Speaker 2>and I see people, whether it's like my friends or

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<v Speaker 2>even my mom, Like, I just can't. I have to

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<v Speaker 2>look away or it's going to make me not be

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<v Speaker 2>able to finish this song and just break down and cry.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, that's the dream. That's all I've ever wanted,

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<v Speaker 2>is for you know, people to sort of find company

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<v Speaker 2>within my songs and make them feel better about stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>or make them cry or you know, whatever they're feeling. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that it's wild to me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very surreal, I bet, especially going from not one

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<v Speaker 1>to share any of it to having it be so

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<v Speaker 1>out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you describe what it's like when you're writing a

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<v Speaker 1>song or when you're creating the music to a song,

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<v Speaker 1>what comes first and what's your process? And also when

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<v Speaker 1>you were going through something as a young child, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it was, what music and artist did you turn to,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe specific songs that you listened to that helped you

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<v Speaker 1>through those times.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was growing up, it was a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>Fleet and Mac. I remember that my mom got me

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<v Speaker 2>that Tusk record for my fifteenth birthday and I had

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<v Speaker 2>just gotten my permit and she'd gotten me that and

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<v Speaker 2>there's a song on there called Storms that Stevie Nicks.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a huge Stevie Nicks fan. I think she's like

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<v Speaker 2>the best thing that's you know, in the world, and

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<v Speaker 2>all of her lyrics really resonated with me growing up,

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<v Speaker 2>I think because it was just she showed a woman's heart,

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<v Speaker 2>even though I obviously wasn't a woman then, but I

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<v Speaker 2>could just feel like that feminine sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a woman trying to figure out her life and and

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<v Speaker 2>going through stuff and heartbreak. And I really resonated with

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<v Speaker 2>her growing up. Obviously still too, but it was songs

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<v Speaker 2>like Storms and Beautiful Child and you know, Sisters of

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<v Speaker 2>the Moon sort of that rage, you know, but also

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<v Speaker 2>the vulnerability of being a woman. And it was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of her. But then I loved, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>very heavy guitar music. I feel like everything I listened

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<v Speaker 2>to it was very guitar. I heavy Tom Petty, John Mayer, Prince,

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<v Speaker 2>all the Lindsay Buckingham stuff. I very much so gravitated

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<v Speaker 2>towards all of that. Uh. And yeah, I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>because I grew up. You know, Nashville's very it's super country,

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<v Speaker 2>and which is awesome. But I think once I heard

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<v Speaker 2>that like rock stuff, I was like, yeah, like that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I needed.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you met anyone from Fleetwood Mac or Stevie No.

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<v Speaker 2>No from Heartbreakers? He played on my record. It's crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>it's amazing. Yeah, I met John here, but no. Stevie

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<v Speaker 2>Nix is like my She's like.

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<v Speaker 1>If I smell a duet somewhere down the road, I

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<v Speaker 1>could you imagine, Well, tell me this, And I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>she would be so excited if she was listening to

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<v Speaker 1>this that you had that she had such an impact

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<v Speaker 1>on you. She's super sweet. I've worked with her, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been lucky enough to and yeah, you'll you'll find out,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure in the not too distant future. Can I

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<v Speaker 1>ask what you would give for advice to someone who

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<v Speaker 1>may be dealing with some difficult times in their life,

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<v Speaker 1>of what you would suggest for them in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>any part of the song making, writing listening process.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure. Yeah, that's so tough because you kind of don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, everyone acts sort of differently no matter what

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<v Speaker 2>you know people go through. But I think it's just

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<v Speaker 2>it's I mean, it's hard because some people are For me,

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<v Speaker 2>when I went through everything, I was very shy, like

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<v Speaker 2>I just become became silent. I would go to school

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<v Speaker 2>and I would remember I could go all day and

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<v Speaker 2>not say a word to anyone, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's I can see people, you know, the quiet ones

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like always have the best stories just growing

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<v Speaker 2>up in school, and you know the ones that like

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't say anything, it would sort of hide and were

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<v Speaker 2>Those are the thinkers and those are the dreamers. To me,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It's so hard to go through things,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter how little or how big. But I guess

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<v Speaker 2>just taking it day by day and time really does heal.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a completely different person from back then than when

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<v Speaker 2>I was now, and I think I've everything that's hard.

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<v Speaker 2>It just you just mature. I think I think I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be right here if I didn't go through everything

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<v Speaker 2>back then. So I think, as hard as it is

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<v Speaker 2>in the moment, I think in a weird way, you

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<v Speaker 2>learn a lot of beneficial lessons from it.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, No, that was a wonderful answer. And I

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<v Speaker 1>have this feeling that you're a very old soul, not

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<v Speaker 1>just from the artist that you grew up listening to,

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<v Speaker 1>because you blow me away. I mean those are all

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<v Speaker 1>of the artists I grew up listening to, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>half my age, so it's pretty amazing. I'm just so

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<v Speaker 1>excited for you, and I hope that all good things

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<v Speaker 1>continue in your life and in your career, and I

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<v Speaker 1>will be looking forward to your self titled debut. You

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<v Speaker 1>said it was coming out in twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, day before my birthday, January twenty fourth.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, are exciting. And Looking for June is

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<v Speaker 1>the single that'll be out soon as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Looking for June is out, and then yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>might have one more before the album. I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on the

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<v Speaker 1>show and good luck, and you just making me smile

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<v Speaker 1>so much. I can't even think about how to say goodbye.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm very excited for you. And it's always wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>to see new artists coming up and coming and doing

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<v Speaker 1>great things. And thank you, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so so fun. Thanks for having me