WEBVTT - George Drakoulias 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:12.480 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast. 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:17.680 My guest today this producer, music supervisor, Jack of all trades, 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:23.400 George Riculius, Hollywood footnote. Good to have you here, George, 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.000 good to be here, Bob. Okay, So I noticed you 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.480 rolled up in a smart car. How did you? Uh? 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.440 Do you like that? That's my third one third one? Well, 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:35.560 why do you need to do what? You'd be surprised? 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:38.279 So what happened two thousand nine, I think, or two 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:40.480 thousand eight. I saw on the line it was coming 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.760 to America, coming to America, Smart reserve. Now, put a 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.080 hundred dollars down, build your dream smart car. So I 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.120 put I put my credit card down a hundred dollars. 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:53.159 I built a silver with a black trim, and I 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.400 got the upgrade, which is I think at that time 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.760 some kind of dials a hundred dollars or whatever. And 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.680 two years later I got a call Mr Kulius, your 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:07.880 smart cars here, like, excuse me. I'm like, what if 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:09.360 I don't like it? Like, it's all right, We'll give 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:11.840 your money back, you know. But they so they're Mercedes. 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.200 So I got it and I loved it. I absolutely 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.040 love it. It's great. It's like if you're driving around 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:18.120 and you're going out and like, hey give me a 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:20.240 ride home. You give me my drunk friend. Hey, man, 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:23.360 do you want to get in the in the hatchback? 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:25.280 And it's big. I mean, I'm a huge guy, you know, 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:29.679 stupid guy in a smart car. But and then um, 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:31.200 what else? So like if I go to set, like 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:33.360 I say, I go to the set, it's like, you know, 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:35.600 crew parking is always like a mile away. It was like, 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:38.800 I'll just park under like I can park under the 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:40.760 under the Winner bagel and like you know, like the 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:42.679 base camp is like I'll go in and just driving 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.319 and everybody loves it. The valets love it. It's funny 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:47.240 like this is the best car man, you know. And 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:48.840 they know there's a Ferrari in front of me, they 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:50.440 don't care. They get all excited about the smart car. 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:52.960 And as they got older, older, whatever they as, they 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.160 kept in proving them. They got them one with Gland. 0:01:56.200 --> 0:02:00.880 Now I have leather um in side. It's really decked 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:02.880 out and it's roomy. I've driven to I've driven to 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.040 San Francisco. I mean, I wouldn't want to work much 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:06.560 farther than that. I wouldn't want to go across country 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:08.320 in it, okay, But when you're on the freeway, what's 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:10.760 it like? I love it. My wife hates it. She's like, 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.040 I'm like, it's just a it's a titanium roll cage. 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.960 And I've showed the videos on line of of a 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:22.920 smart guy going a hundred miles into a concrete you 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.079 know those divide and they bounce off and they come 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:27.880 around and one door is like fine, the other door 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.640 is kind of broken, and the people are still upright, 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:32.320 and said, look, we'll have an open cask at funeral. 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.079 We did, because if you're going a hundred miles and 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:36.919 now and you stop, that's going to all your organs. 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:38.440 But I said, but we'll have you know, we'll look good. 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.560 So I love it. That's fine, Okay. So it's kind 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:46.240 of like the black box on an airplane. I love it. 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.840 I absolutely love it. So there's no time obviously she 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.200 has a car, there's no time when you say, hey, 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.080 we won't go in the smart I'll take together car forgetting. 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.560 If she's not she wants to help with me, or 0:02:57.600 --> 0:02:59.760 she's welcome to drive herself. We'll go to Santa Barbara. 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:01.280 We have friend has got to play up there. Well 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.600 that's about as partial driving it. But it's she's getting 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.280 used to it. It's safe, okay. And then how noisy 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.480 is it when you get to like sixty seven? Right, 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:12.040 it's a little bouncy, like you don't want to do 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:16.079 eight seventy five. It's fine on the freeway eighty five, 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:17.840 it start getting it starts getting a little weird if 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.480 you pass a big truck. But um, it's like I 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:22.560 think it's a turbo. It has an overdrive and you 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.680 trick them out even more. Mine is pretty stealth black 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:27.880 on black now, but I love it. And how about 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.000 so you're talking about parking on set? But generally is 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.000 it a great advantage you have a car that's awesome. 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.760 I mean, you know if any street ego too, it's 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:36.840 always like, oh there's I can't fit there. It's like, oh, 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.120 I can fit there. I think it's only eight feet long. 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:42.720 And so but now they're not going to import him anymore. 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:47.960 Oh no, all right, I read about electric, you know 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:49.840 the all electric one yet, but now they're not gonna 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:54.160 import electric either. No, you better make this one last. 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.640 I'm leasing it like an idiot. Okay, So I know 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.920 now you're working on movies. There anything else you do 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:04.800 now that I'm missing? Um, well, I'm running for city counting. Um, 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.560 I working on some movies. I still make a record. 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.880 It's made a record with this band called Stereophonics. Are 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.560 sure so you are still producing? Yeah? I mean someone's 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.600 stupid enough to hire me. You curse on this thing. 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:18.880 Say whatever you want to. You know the four stages 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.920 of your career? Oh, yes, I do. But tell my order. 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.960 You know, it's who's Georgia Culius? Gotta get Georgia Culius, 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.480 Jesus Christ always he's always booked. It's like a new 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:31.320 young hot George Culius. Who the fund is George? So 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.560 I'm at that stage again. I've get to reinvent myself 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.480 and hopefully some young band. If you're listening and you're 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:38.960 very hip hiring me? No, but it's fun. I mean, 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:40.960 but I get to make a lot of music for 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:45.279 the movies I'm working on. That's always fun. Um. I 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:49.480 get to like if I recorded like Vince Vaughan ever recorded, 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:54.080 Owen Wilson, Kristen uh Christ and wigg you know. So 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:55.600 that's that's always fun. Like when you get to use 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.120 your skill set and like work with that. Well, I'm 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:58.640 a little I thought you were, like when you're talking 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.960 about those people, if you're amusing supervisor say, I'm more 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.680 than a music So that's why I'm asking. So you're 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:08.320 recording them like singing tell us what tell us? The 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:14.039 four things you are? So I'm very handsome. Um so 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.920 with the movie like something, but it's not trying to 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:19.719 think of anything like so this TV show worked on 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:21.920 Escape ad anim or did you watch that with Ben Stiller? 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:26.919 I know, I just followed so close. It's greatly if 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.359 I gonna pick up on stuff that it's really a 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.279 lot of humanity, you'll love it. And they're wonderful and 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:38.320 the two mates are plotting with the person who's working 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.560 there the world. They both start, you know, getting on 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:44.080 with it and who British ocad who's wonderful and so 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.920 probably win an Emmy. I guess Emmy bait um. So 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.960 for example, there's a flashback sine that takes place like 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:53.960 an early night like mid nineties at the outside of 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:55.960 strip club and we want to use Wu Tang clan 0:05:56.120 --> 0:06:01.520 ain't nothing to funk with and um, you didn't know this, Bob, 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:03.120 but they didn't really clear all the samples back in 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.720 the day. So it's like this gray it's this gray 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:07.640 area where they won't license it, but it's like an 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:09.240 open secret, you know. It's like this kind of thing 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.120 where well, we can't publishing cleared, but the master we 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.000 don't know. So I know Rizzle and they get to 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.760 call Rizzle like, let's let's remake this thing and so 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:18.440 we can use it. So like that kind of stuff 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.400 is always fun and that's exciting to do. Um. The 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:23.440 same thing happened on this movie Do Date, trying to 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:26.200 use check yourself before you wreck yourself. And again there's 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.559 another thing that was gray area ambiguous. So you getting 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.919 to remake stuff like that is always fun. Or in 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.200 Walter Middy, Christin Wig had a sing so I got 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:37.640 to record her and then it turns to I don't 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.440 feel so that it turns this big she's singing, um 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.839 uh what's a ground control the major tom and it 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:45.920 turns this big thing and so she's singing. She's a 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:50.240 great singer. Also she was she's also a great ukuleleleas um. 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:51.960 So that's always fun. Like if I'm working on the movie, 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:53.640 I get to create stuff. That's always fun. And then 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.400 on a movie. It's nice because I do know I'm 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:00.520 not the I'm not your average pickings. I'm not your 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:05.520 average bad about park right whatever, Yogi Bear, so I'll 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.320 be able to use me. But but you, uh, Yogi Bear, 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.680 didn't wait till noon? How about yourself? Now I find 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.680 myself getting up and just like sweating because it will 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:18.000 get into that in a minute. But um so, like 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.280 part of the thing is a directors like I don't know, man, 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.560 like I kind of trying to talk to a composer. 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.600 So I'm able to talk composer in musical terms and 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:27.680 kind of it's like, you know, like I don't know, 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:29.280 it's just not I'm like, okay, you want to just 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:31.040 change the bat here? But I try. Oh yeah, I 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:35.640 love it now excuse me. So that's always fun. So 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:37.360 that's when it's fun, you know, when I get to used. 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.920 In a perfect world, if you could be doing anything now, 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.320 what would you want to be doing? Nothing? Would you? 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:48.120 Let's be clear, nothing is not usually that happy right now. 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:50.680 I would know. I would think, I think I'd like 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:52.480 to make more I would like to make more records, 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:55.320 and I'd like to I'd like to make it more meaningful, 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.280 but I don't know what it means anymore, you know, 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.160 I mean it's kind of strange. Okay, wait, wait, mean 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:04.200 what would be more meaningful? The process? Just the thing 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.200 in the world I could have a Okay, well we 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.360 talked about it the gig. I remember we were Staples 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:12.000 Center and you say you used to have fights over records. Well, yeah, 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.720 that we were coming up. We'd like, you know, coming up. 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:18.160 It's like especially with rappers starting in you know, early 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.239 eighties in New York over rappers like the disc record 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:22.800 which was born, you know, and that kind of thing. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.480 So you'd like no NPMD or you know, you know, 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.560 it's you know, we hated the West Coast for sure. 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.400 That was like those I'm saying. Yeah, you would get 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.320 into a fight like or it would be beatle Stones 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.040 or whatever that. I think it was the same. It 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.760 just carried on into hip hop or other stuff. So 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:42.360 you just have arguments, but they're friendly, no no guns usually, right. Um. 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.760 I was robbed a few times, like, uh, okay, let's 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.040 stop there. When were you robbed? Well, you get away 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.560 about at the roller rink at the Roxy. There's a 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:54.760 there's a great hip hop club called the Roxy, which 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:56.560 was a roller rink and a hip hop club. And 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.679 where is this Manhattan streets gone? I was living on 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:03.000 the West Coast, Okay eighteen Street in the West Side, 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.319 and um, I remember being online. There's two stories. One 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.319 was being online. This this is the mentality like hip 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.480 hop that being online. It's like you crushed, you know, 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.200 crushed it in trying to get in there. For those 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.080 who are not in the East Coast, online means in 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.719 line right, not on queuing up. I don't know you're 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.840 all to get into the club today is you know, 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:26.079 the internet? So you squished in and all of a sudden, 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.960 I feel something like somebody's hand in my pocket, like 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:30.840 I got like bubble gum in four bucks. I'm not 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:32.680 like you know, so for some reason I had a 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:37.400 pen like stads like you're like, hey, man, where you standing. 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.120 I'm like, your fucking hand in my pocket? What are 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:41.719 you doing? You know? Like this weird stuff like that. 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:45.120 But the best was, uh the like bud Wise is 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.959 super fessed. It was like Llo Clue, j Run dmc um, 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.280 Jaqueline Hide which is Andre Harrell was in this band 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:52.920 called Jack. I don't if you know that Jakol Hide 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.599 was hip hop, and um, you know, I was backstage 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.120 and we had this like for rabid hat, which was 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.679 very much very back in the day, and they're like, 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.600 where are you going. I'm like, why check out the crowd, 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:05.640 Like if that's a good idea, I'm like, it's okay, 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.319 you know down you know. So I was walking around 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:09.840 his Madison Square world and I'm working on the outer rotunda, 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.120 and um, I start heading into the inner thing and 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.320 I see these two guys kind of coming out and 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.120 one guy grabs my hat runs into the crowd, and 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.160 I chased him down because I like my I'm like, 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.400 and I caught him. I'm like, okay, cool, give my 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:24.360 hat back. He's like, it's my hat. Man. I'm like, 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.760 I'm like, I got you know, so mayhem and sues. 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.160 I'm holding one ear, this this two ear for a 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.400 rabbit hat. I'm holding it going back and forth, and 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:34.760 then it's like, all of a a sudden, bunch of guys 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:36.560 jump me and the same thing like start punching me up, 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:38.760 like like I elbow some hey man in order, like 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:42.080 what are you guys doing? You know? The hat rips, 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:43.959 I keep the ear. I go back and I remember 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.680 Rustles like with the hat man, I held up the 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:53.000 ear and I was like, okay, they gotta be there. Yeah, No, 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.840 I totally get him. You're the type of person someone 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:58.360 does you wrong. You don't get scared. You're gonna just 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.640 dive in. You're gonna lean in. Uh. I mean, I thought, like, Okay, 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:04.280 the gig is up being normal for like, hey, I 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:05.880 got you man, it's cool, just give my hat back. 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:07.840 What's this? You know that kind of thing. But it 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:09.720 was a different it was a different mentality back then. 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.520 I remember we had this um a Thursday nights. We 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.719 had this thing called The Spot at dancer Tria, which 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:17.760 is a really great club where we would go six 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:21.120 seven nights a week in the New York. It's really great. Okay, 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.880 let's also be clear what time would you go, you know, 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.080 not till twelve thirty one right now, and but we 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.560 this would start probably eleven. We had this thing called 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.800 the Spot. It was Death Jam Presents the Spot at 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.120 Dancer try It was the third floor. We'd have a 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:39.240 DJ and maybe a guest act like the BCS would 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:42.160 play there once or twice, or spoon, you know, like 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.040 Spoonty somebody would come and do a wrap and we 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.520 had this guy. Um, it was like god, oh, ship 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.839 was busy. Be was the the official MC. So we 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.000 just basically talk shit, Hey, what's your favorite restaurant? Is 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:54.640 it needed? Is it Burger Gat? You know, and then 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.480 you introduced DJ the act. Got a hundred dollars to 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.960 do that, just and then pick up girls. They get 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:04.280 re drinks. So I was responsible paying everybody. So I 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.120 usually paying them about two thirty three in the morning, 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:07.760 you know whatever, for the club and close. He's like, 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:09.280 hey man, he came to like one o'clock. Hey man, 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:10.800 I get my money. I'm like, well, happen going to 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:12.440 the office and that's it. I'll tell you what. Let 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:13.839 me go up there. Now see if I get paid. 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:18.320 I go up there, I cut back down. I'm like, okay, 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:22.440 here you go. Hundred dollars. He's like, I just go back. 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:23.960 So he comes up to me, he goes it starts. 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:25.880 He goes, hey man, I borrowed twenty dollars. And I 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.040 was in, I'm like, I don't know. Like I said, 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.079 I'll go upstairs. See if I get paid early and 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:32.600 get your money. Give hundred. This is this that makes 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:34.520 more sense. I give him hundred dollars, Like, hey man, 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:40.240 it's only eight dollars. I'm like, what I got and 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:44.560 it's a hundred? Can you let me ten? This is 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.120 a college, like like we gave you a hundred dollars. 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:49.240 Rick Potter pocketed most of the money and I put 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.040 like twenty dollars in my town my pants so I 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:54.880 could like get into a cab and go home. But um, 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:56.520 that was a lot of fun. I felt where we were. 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.440 But we just talked about but we're talking about really 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:02.800 is today as opposed to yesterday? Yeah? I guess. Um, 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:04.880 I don't know. I mean, maybe kids listen. I don't 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:06.160 have kids listen to this thing, but maybe they are 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:07.640 having more fun. I don't know if they are. I 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:09.960 can't imagine they are, to be honest, because you can't 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.160 sunk up, you know, everything's everybody's tracking everything you do, 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:15.520 where they're posting everything they do, so you can't do 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.800 something stupid and nobody know about it, or you can't 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:20.080 like venture out out of your comfort zone for a minute, 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.200 you know. So I feel tough. I don't have any kids, 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.040 so it's weird. I don't I'm not tracking it the 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:26.559 same way. I think you know that I don't have 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:28.480 a kid, you the same thing, you know. Yeah, so 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.960 it's it's hard to say. But then like my nephews fifteen, Um, 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.120 he's just out here. Music is not that important to him. 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:36.240 You know. I'm trying to get him like, hey, you 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.280 want to get you talking. You know, he plays Dungeon 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:40.280 Dragons kind of thing. I took him over a Bad 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.640 Robots meet JJ Abrams. That was, you know, that was like, 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.440 you know, it's like meking Hendrix for me or something 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.280 like that. Um, So, I don't know the kids who 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:51.160 are into music. I think it's uh, I think just 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.360 another thing that happens. It's just kind of the right 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.520 on their phone or whatever. It's just not I don't 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.360 have a penetrate, you know. So you're bay, So let's 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:02.839 talk about today's generation. You say today's generation music does 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:06.880 not have the priority that he used to. I don't 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:08.320 know if that's right. I mean I think it does, 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.679 but it's just different, you know, like you don't fight 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.559 about the band's kind of you know. I think it's 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:17.760 like I don't think you invest as much into the acts. Okay, 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:19.680 so if you talk to your fifteen year old nephew, 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.280 you'd rather play dungeons and dragons. But if you go 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:26.160 through some happening acts, does he know them? No, he 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.080 doesn't know them. And it was like made it's on 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:32.480 the pop stuff, you know, like maybe whatever the biggest 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.720 pop records are probably he knows. You know, he's not 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.520 going any deeper. Well, let's just go down this rabbit 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.640 hole a little bit deeper. Let's say, would you go 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:42.800 on record that today's music is not as good as 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:48.320 yester years? Different, you know different. I can't say it's 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:49.760 not as good. It's not as good to me, you 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.320 know that I'm talking about for you? Yeah? For me? Yeah, No, 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.440 I don't think that's not made for me. Right, I'm fifty. 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.720 I look at it totally differently because music represented something 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:02.560 different back then. That's I'm older than you are and 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.360 listening to the radio. The radio had its own hip 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.080 news whatever. That was the only outlet. There were no 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.600 video games, etcetera. And in your era, you know there was. 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.280 It was a little different. You have the dominance of 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:17.400 MTV and then everything else could perklate, so you know, 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.680 today there are many options. The other thing, I don't know. 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:21.200 A friend I mentioned this all the time. Friend of 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.080 mine wrote a book about Dwayne Allman. Dwyne Allman used 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.400 to take his guitar to the bathroom to practice. Almost 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.520 no one's practicing that much anymore, whether we make it so. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:32.120 As I said, I don't want to make it a 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.080 guitar as opposed to a keyboard, as opposed to a 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:38.160 synthesize or whatever. But there's so many other options to 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.400 become famous and to half click that people are not 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.000 dedicated to music as much as they used to be. Yeah, 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.240 I don't. Yeah, that's that's I would say. That sums 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:50.040 it up. You know, it's just a different it's different. Okay, 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.360 but you've made rock records, so let's go deeper. As 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.720 I'm putting you on the record, is rock dead? It's 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.040 just changing. I think it's still. I think the metal 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:03.800 shows they'll do it. There's always post just post provescent 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.920 teenage boys who want to hear, you know, big beats 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.280 and go to these shows. So I think that's that's 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.760 always gonna make it regular rocket like straight up. I 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.920 think that's pretty much over. Is there any way to 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.640 be damned? I mean, I don't, I don't. I know, 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.400 it's a lot of records. I don't know if it permeated, 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:23.560 you know, right, well, metal historically waxes and wings kind 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.720 of like electronic music. But there's always a cult deep 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.480 into it. Someone's gonna buy a Ramon shirt, Someone's buying 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.120 a Misfit shirt, Someone's buying a motor Head shirt always. 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.040 You know, that's kind of does your perennials they come 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.720 back like weeds, you know. I certainly think that they've 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:42.960 sold more Ramons shirts than albums, absolutely, you know, but 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:44.280 that's the big thing. And I grew up in the 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.160 era we could tell somebody was hip how long their 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.400 hair was, and then once I had, you know, the 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:51.440 nerds were in their immediately cut all mind off. I 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.160 don't know, that's my personality. But at the same time, 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.160 the people putting the Ramons shirts on their babies are 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.280 the people who never listened to the Ramans when they 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.720 were happening. No, But my other like Nickel Tour or 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.560 whatever when I was a kid, Frankfurt's or a quarter 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:09.000 kind of thing was how if a band came through town, 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.360 you knew who went to the show, and it could 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:13.720 be any It could be an r M, or could 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:15.280 be like you know, good pavement. They have to be 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:17.600 necessarily the big metal band, but you'd see you'd be 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:20.560 a Tower Records something like with a I was at 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:21.840 that show, you know, like and like you had an 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.040 instant you found your gang, you know, I mean the 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.119 same way, and then you can kind of it was 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.760 like an instant thing. Now it's like I think there 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.040 aren't really at least I don't see it, even Kate. 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:32.760 I don't see Katy Perry teacher. I don't even see 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.080 anything like that. And if I see somebody wearing a 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:39.200 T shirt like Kenny Loggin's ironic, that's kind of cool. 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.320 And it's two ars and it was they bought at 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.840 vintage and it's some time and they got the stud 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:48.159 muffin thing to put the bedazzler. They've bedazzled it. And 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.200 now it's like you know there so it's all right. 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:51.840 You know, there's no like like usaid be how you 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.800 define yourself, you know. That's that's maybe we can talk 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.159 about that. You know, that's like you were in this gang, 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.680 you know, and you knew like who you knew who 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.240 you be for like, oh yeah, I was at that, 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.680 I went to the Pixie Show or whatever. You know. Well, 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:06.080 the other thing about it, I have a friend is 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.080 a big concert promoter, and he's a little bit younger 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.520 than you, not by much, and he says, I'm throwing 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.280 a party. When we used to go to those shows, 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:18.360 that was not a party. We were enthralled to the bands. 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.520 It was really about the music. Forget that there weren't 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.399 phones whatever. You know, people people are grazers now where 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.760 we were just wow, these are gods. How can we 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:30.600 get closer? It's interesting. I mean, I guess the concert 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.880 business little. When it's good, it's good, But I don't 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.879 think there's no I think the bands, who's probably the 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.840 last band that's gonna do Arenas, who's come through at 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:43.920 the latest? Maybe Musea, it's like the last band I 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:47.120 could still probably Arenas in rock and roll rather than 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:51.879 that Black Keys maybe depending on the burned it out 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.160 there coming back had a band fleet sells a lot, 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.399 but not quite arena. I mean, they don't have a 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.840 catalog to be an arena, you know, to come back 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:00.560 every year. They're not a c D see. You know. 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.920 It's like so it'll be it's interesting to see what 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.159 will happen. Um. But I think people just want to 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:07.720 go to events, Like you said, throwing the party they 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.280 don't care. It's more important to go to Randall's Island 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.440 than to see who's at Randall's Island. Right, Okay, But 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:18.320 since you're very knowledgeable on hip hop, do you believe 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.560 there's a scene or not a scene? What's different in 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:22.920 the hip hop? I do? I'm not to be honest, 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.359 it's a kind of I didn't leave hip hop man. 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.720 Hip hop left me. Um, I'm not as invested anymore. 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:30.560 A couple people I like, like Thundercat, I think it's 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:32.680 a great producer or whatever. Like those people are talent, 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:36.280 you know. And I've grated that Kanye you know, I 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:38.080 guess he's a genius because he says he's a genius. 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:41.080 But um, I don't know, you know, I feel like 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:45.800 there's nothing really Lahova. I'm still impressed with him, you know, 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:47.560 I'm impressed with his voice and impressed with his his 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:54.720 rhyming style. But um, I don't it was nice And 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:57.760 again that's like an whole guy. Oh crouchyo guy. But 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:01.760 the thing was the record. It was being heard and 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:05.080 it was as aspirational. And now it's like I got 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:06.720 my footwear brand, you know, It's like and now there's 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:08.840 so many other things involved with it. It doesn't feels 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:12.200 as pure anymore, you know. And right about what about 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:18.199 the beefs, Bill, I think they shut they should have 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:19.880 let should have a coke and a smile and shut 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:21.520 the funk up. I mean they getting paid, they get 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:23.320 like like there's no reason to be beat back. You know, 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:25.440 when they were twelve inches and you were in different 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:27.639 hoods and you were still living with your grandmother in 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:30.080 Queens and they're the ones living that was really you know, 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:33.680 that was still you know, I don't have any sorry 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:37.119 Drake whatever, Bill, millionaires don't you know in beefs don't 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:40.600 excite me. Well, the other thing, as you mentioned earlier, 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:44.159 they're more about the brand than the music. It's like 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:47.320 people want to be famous as opposed to be musicians. 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.760 It's just a stepping stone. It's about to see. Uh. 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:52.800 You know, I got an Instagram accountany about three thousand 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:55.520 followers whatever, I don't I don't don't post that much. 0:20:55.600 --> 0:21:00.840 But um, I went to see Trapy Scott and um 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:08.919 what's his face? Little guy from Compton Kendrick and uh 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:10.920 and I posted like the Travy Scott came out of 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:15.000 this fire, this wing bird with the spinning fire and 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:16.960 I posted a small little video on my thing and 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:21.240 I had a fifty thou beauties because I tagged, you know, 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:23.000 I tag Travy Scott or whatever, and it was like 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:25.480 the next thing. He was like like, can this be right? So, 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.520 I mean the power they you know, they're very powerful people, 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:31.320 so I can understand. Okay, Musically, what do you think 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:33.640 about Kendrick. I think he's great, you know. I think 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:35.359 I think he's one of the you know, one of 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.879 the better ones for sure. And I think he's it's emotional, 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:41.240 it's you know, I think it's his aspirational. I think 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:44.080 he wants to take I think, whatever, there's a white guy, 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:45.760 but I think he wants to take his people somewhere. 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.000 You know. He's definitely of that. You know. I think 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.920 he's a leader, which is which is great. I think, 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.399 you know, sorry Ny, I think Conny is a clown. 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:56.359 I think Kendrick is a real leader, you know. Okay, 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:59.080 let's go back to one of your peaks, and not 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:01.399 that you don't have peaks mean in the future, but 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.600 you produced the first two Black Crows album, okay, and 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.919 the first one was Gigantic Kid. How did you end 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:11.760 up producing that um, that was that's a good story. 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:17.440 So I was working with Rick at def jam Rick 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:20.360 rub Ruben, and he made this movie called Tougher Than Leather. 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:22.640 If you have seen it, Have you seen Tougher than Leather? 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.600 Starting run dmc No, No, I didn't see it. It's 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:27.920 like bad. It's like a really it's like a black 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:33.359 exploitation film. You know, it's low budget exactly black exploitation. Um, 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:36.920 low budget. He's in it. He starts, he wrote, start, 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.480 he started, and directs it. Well. Actually, you know, there's 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.680 this Rick Rubin's series on Showtime and they show part 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:45.000 of that movie with Rick in it. I know he's 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:49.240 embarrassed by it. But you know it's completely racist, but 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:51.280 in the best way. You know, it's over the time. Everybody, 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:53.200 no one's spared. It's like it was like the era 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:55.800 of earlier Howard starting to makes fun of Jews, makes 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.119 fun of Blacks, makes fun Chinese people, Asians, everybody, no 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:02.720 one's spared. Everybason equally insulted. But I remember telling me 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:05.000 he sat next to day. He played for David. He 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:07.040 screened for David Geffen because they wanted he was looking 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.280 at a distribution and Geff's like you can't put this 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:13.199 movie out. It's like, what do you mean goes the 0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:15.600 way you talk about the Jews? And there's one there's 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:18.080 only one line about Jewish people in the whole thing, 0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:19.600 Like there's only one cut and that's the only thing 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:21.399 he saw. And Rick was like, he's how proud of it? 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:23.360 I think he's embarrassed And maybe we'll have to all 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:26.560 watch the documentary and the genius mind of Rick Rubin 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:30.439 to figure out if if he is embarrassed by that. 0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:33.240 So he's making this movie. He kind of was pulling 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:36.440 away from Russell. He didn't really want to miss Simmons. Sorry, 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:41.159 Russell Simmons. He Um moved to l A, moved to 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:44.640 the into the Montreal, didn't come back and never went 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:46.520 back to New York. So I took a job at 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:49.520 A and M for a year because Steve Robowski signed 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:51.840 the def JAM deal to Colombia and now he was 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:56.760 the head of A and MIGHT, so he hired me 0:23:57.960 --> 0:23:59.919 like a low you know, like a director of A 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:01.960 or whatever it was. I went out and so you know, 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:03.719 I want to try to see a couple of bands. 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:06.280 Um and then I was in. They sent me to 0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:08.840 Atlanta see a band called bare Back I think it was, 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:11.639 and it kind of like a southern boogie band, and 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:13.120 I thought they were just gonna be playing in town 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:16.199 with so I was online at a Kentucky literally at 0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:18.240 a Kentucky Fried Chicken at the Marriott Hotel where I 0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:22.000 was staying in front of me had long hair. I'm like, hey, 0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:23.399 there any other bands in this town. He's like, well, 0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:25.919 this man called Mr. Crow's Gardener pretty good playing tonight 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:29.320 at the Peacock or somewhere whatever. It was like, okay, cool, 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:31.600 I'll check it out. After these guys, I found that 0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:33.760 this band is playing about forty minutes outside of town, 0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:37.680 like some dive bar. I take a cab out there. 0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:39.600 The manager is also the lyric right it hands me 0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:41.480 a loose leaf book with lyrics. I'm like, what this 0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:43.840 like in the lyrics man, I'm like okay, you know, 0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:45.879 and then I'm singing in the back of this club 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:49.439 and the band's playing. He's literally singing the songs to 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:51.120 me in my ear. I'm like, I gotta get out 0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:52.760 of here, and he's like, okay, we've got the second set. 0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:54.520 Come on me. Like so I meet the man, He's like, hey, 0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:56.080 I'm let it stay for the second set. It's great. 0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:58.920 I got back into cab, travel back into Atlanta, which 0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:00.919 is like a half hour whatever. I get to the 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:03.199 club and they were over, Hey, what happened to the 0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:06.280 Girl's Garden? Oh? They they finished. I'm like, okay, cool. 0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:07.480 And I was living in New York at the time. 0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:08.639 I got back to New York and I look in 0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:11.639 the Voice and they were playing in New York the 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:15.399 next week, so I just happened to go and and 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:17.680 they were good. I mean, he was a presence. You know, 0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:20.959 Chris was great, great, Chris Robinson great. He's you know, 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:23.359 he's a he was a front man. He had it 0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:25.159 back then. He had the moves, you know, he had 0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:27.520 the whole thing. As brother was kind of handsome and 0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:30.399 like with like mysterious, you know. He's also he was 0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:34.160 just this young guy. And uh. I watched that set 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:35.800 and it was kind of like dang, and everything's like 0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:37.520 very up up up up. And at the end they 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:40.080 played Down the Streets by and the Stooges and they 0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:44.400 played No More, No More by Aerosmith, Love That No More. 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:53.359 I'm like, dreamna that and I'm like okay. So I 0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:55.119 met them, I said, h that's great. I said, let 0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:57.120 me ask you something. I said, he played this whole 0:25:57.160 --> 0:25:59.920 set in the last two songs you played had nothing 0:25:59.920 --> 0:26:01.760 to do with the other stuff, and like what gives 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:03.920 And they're like, well, we're the most popular band in 0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:05.560 Landa right now. We play a lot of colleges and 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:08.239 stuff like that, and this is what our audience is like. 0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:12.399 But we like this, like oh interesting, okay. So we 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:17.040 stayed in touch, exchanging numbers, no email back then. And 0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:19.880 then I remember men Peter manch our mutual friend, took 0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:24.399 me to see to Monsters Rock in Dallas and I 0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:32.320 had gotten this uh cassette. I know really, I had 0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:34.440 a cassette and had a Sony Walkman with the extra 0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:37.480 bass boom base on it. And I was listening to 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:39.520 the Faces record, Um, not as good as a wink, 0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:42.080 And I said, that's a terrible record except for the hip. 0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:44.920 That's not true Miss Judy's Farm. Like no, that was 0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:48.280 compared to the second album. In the first album, Miss 0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:54.119 Judy's Farm, it's pretty good and also good, Hey goodhead 0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.120 a huge Rod Stewart film. I was just I mean, 0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:01.719 I bought that album. I always still owned it. Well whatever, 0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:04.040 so you're used to that So I'm listening to it 0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:06.080 and I'm like, well, this is interesting. I'm gonna play 0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.880 this for Chris Robinson. So I called him up like hey, 0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:11.040 what are you. Hey man, I'm down Texas, blah blah 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.639 blah whatever. I'm gonna play something. So I played in 0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:15.479 Miss Judi Farm in the song you don't like right. Well, 0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:17.720 as I say, certainly that album have the right sound, 0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:20.280 I just didn't think the material was the songs are right, yeah, 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:22.760 maybe in the B So I put and put the 0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:26.480 ear you know, the ear phone to the speaker and 0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:30.200 standing man, man, dude, dank, you know. I was playing 0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:35.520 whatever here hello, Like right, what's up? Like, um, you 0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:37.520 sent me that record? I'm like showing up wrong. So 0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:40.240 I send him a copy and then we kept a 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:41.880 touch and then like a couple of months later, like hey, 0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:43.920 so that was not the sound you saw it heard 0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:47.360 in New York. Couple of months later, it's a couple 0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:49.600 of months. Like a couple of months later, he's like, hey, 0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:53.399 come down, we got a bunch of new songs. Um 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:55.040 come down and see us. So I went down. I 0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:56.680 was like, oh, this is it's kind of rock now. 0:27:57.320 --> 0:28:02.480 And then we made a demo at them, and I 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:04.320 was I wanted to sign him, and then I was like, well, 0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:06.520 can we do development because they were doing these development 0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:08.400 deals and they're like they're kind of tricky to get 0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:10.200 out of, you know whatever, so they're kind of hemming 0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:12.840 and hawing. I'm like, well, that's not fun. And then 0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:14.640 Rick called me. He's like, hey, I'm not moving back 0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:17.360 to New York. I'm saying in California. Come out. I'm 0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:19.399 gonna start a new company. It's be more rock based. 0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:22.880 Just get out here. I'm like, all right, So anything 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:23.920 you want to do. I said, well I found a 0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:25.800 big He's do what the hell you want. I don't care, 0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:27.760 you know, just come out here. So I moved out 0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:31.240 here in my thirties, year eighty nine, and then I 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:33.920 told we signed the band. And I took about a 0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:36.000 year to get the songs going, like back and forth. 0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:37.320 I go there a couple of times. They said, we 0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:39.040 sent a sets back and forth, and then I went 0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:42.480 down there and then we made a record in uh 0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:46.280 around this time in eighty nine. We're around the summer, 0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:47.959 sometime in the summer at eighty nine, and it came 0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:53.560 out first week of January. Thirty years was just insane. Okay, 0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:55.320 did you know it was going to be such a monster. 0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:57.680 I knew it was the best week we had to 0:28:57.920 --> 0:28:59.400 you know, we had to offer. And then there was 0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.320 there was them at that age, and we had one 0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:06.239 guitar every everything. I think every every song starts with 0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:08.480 the one guitar on the left speaker, because I thought 0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:10.080 we knew how to do at that point. And then 0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:12.480 I think the best thing was getting Chuck level to 0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.560 come down and play the stone towards the stones in 0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:17.520 the Almond Brothers everything, and that really took it to 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:20.760 another level. And I was like, well it's good, you know, 0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:22.760 I said, I you know, if it doesn't want to 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:24.280 tack the copies, they can make it. We can make 0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:26.240 another one and they can tour and get an opening 0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.720 slot or something like that. And that they just was 0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:32.320 sometimes it's just you know, who knows better be lucky 0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:41.120 than good. I wish, but hard to hear. The loose 0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:43.160 idea was to do that. That was I think it's 0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:45.200 Chris's you know, Robin, and he's like, I said, we 0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:46.920 should do something, you know. And then my idea was 0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:51.120 to make it like walk this way basically basically rip 0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:53.360 Buffa walked this way and then just turning it. You know, 0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:55.040 but I think I was like, we should see some 0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:56.800 Odo song. It was just, you know, we could be 0:29:56.840 --> 0:29:59.520 listening to a lot of stuff, like we picked that one. Okay, 0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.200 did you make a good amount of money from that record? 0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:05.680 I worked for Rick Rubin. How much money you think 0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:10.480 I made? Okay, let's go back to the least have 0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:15.320 those things? Uh, it makes like a catalytic converter. I'm 0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:17.280 not sure I get to joke about the catalytic. They 0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:20.120 camp downright, tamp down what you can make, you know, 0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:22.120 like or whatever. He's like a governor where they call 0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:25.200 those things like some cars, like like rented cars. I 0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:26.720 have to think, called a governor back and we let 0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:28.760 you go over sixty five or something that I know 0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:30.760 I did. Okay, I look, I did. Fine. You know 0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:33.200 she'll ever get paid on it? Oh yeah I did. 0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:36.800 Of course it didn't be today. No, I don't think so. 0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:38.840 I mean, he's I don't know. Every now and then 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:41.520 a check shows up, he's moved. He's moved the label 0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:45.480 four times, so who knows? You know. Okay, let's start 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:47.560 at the beginning. Where where was your born? And you know, 0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:50.240 for the chechen Chong song. What's that? Do you know? 0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:53.320 That chechen song? Song? Exit forty three? Long Island where 0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:55.840 I grew up. You know, I grew up in Connecticut. 0:30:55.880 --> 0:31:01.320 I'm not super Long Island. So my I was going, well, 0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:04.320 let's see, Um, I was born in Valley Stream and 0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:06.360 then we moved to Siuset when I was young. My dad, 0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:09.680 Greek immigrant, came over when his fifteen didn't speak any language, 0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:13.360 married my mom when he was eighteen maybe she was. 0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:16.600 It's funny. We had our fiftieth anniversary. We did the math, like, 0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:18.920 wait a minute, was seventeen my mom's seventeen was? You 0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:21.640 got married? Like? But she turned eighteen shortly after, so 0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:23.400 he was I think he was twenty maybe or night 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:25.640 he was like nineteen and they got married. Their children, 0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:27.360 you know, getting married, might have an older brother's four 0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:31.680 years old, four years older. Um, just the two of you, 0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:34.640 just the two of us. So okay, So your mother 0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:39.920 she Greek, yeah really, but she better through the network 0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:43.360 he met yeah exactly, he met food, food church or whatever. 0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:47.720 You know, somehow they knew and um, it's funny. I mean, 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:49.960 I find an interesting. Some people don't don't follow me 0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:51.960 when I say this, but it's right. It's both my 0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:55.000 grandfather's were born in America as a turn of the 0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:59.240 century and taking back to Greece's infants. That makes and 0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:02.080 no one knew and I my dad's dad died when 0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:03.640 he was like three. He never really knew him. And 0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:06.320 my mom's dad, I always asked him Babu was Greek 0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:09.520 for grandfather, like boo, what happened? Goes I was a baby, 0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:11.840 you know, one told me why. I don't know, like 0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:14.080 he has no no one has any memory of why 0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:16.520 they were he was he was he was born in Michigan, 0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:20.520 and my other grandfather was born like in Massachusetts. And 0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:22.720 then they went back, which is strange. Maybe they came 0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:26.240 and they didn't thing that people went back. Not really, 0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:27.920 it's so odd, you know, it's very odd. So my 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.080 dad technically wasn't I guess he was born in American 0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:31.800 citizens He didn't go through Ellis Island, but he came 0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:33.440 over on the boat a fifteen in the in the 0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:34.920 fourth in the you know, in the four years, late 0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:40.600 fifties whatever. Do you have a heavy Greek association personally? Uh? Yeah, 0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:42.920 I mean it's kind of it's ingrained to you when 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:47.160 you're a kid. You know, it's it's um, it's interesting, 0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:50.120 it's it's very much about the church, and it's not 0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:52.800 necessary religion. It's just the church is like a social center, 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:55.040 you know, and that's what it is. And you know, 0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:57.040 and my dad was a dyner owner of course, because 0:32:57.040 --> 0:32:58.640 we're Greek, so you have a you have a whole 0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:01.960 network of diner owners and and those are your friends. 0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:04.840 And you know, I don't think my parents had many 0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:07.440 other out you know, until maybe we had the neighbors 0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:10.200 for Ferrars. They were Italians. I was okay, but outside 0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:12.440 of like, didn't have any friends who were in Greek, 0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:16.080 you know what I mean. He's like, not just by whatever, okay, 0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:18.680 other than having these roots, are there anything you do 0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:22.920 today that is Greek associated? Just eat? My mom sends 0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:28.680 me spinash pie and I and I get a lot 0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:32.040 of mileage out of that. Um this my secret man 0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:35.959 camp where I go. Um, Bob we are came by. 0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:38.000 We had dinner and I gave him a piece of 0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:40.560 the spinach pie and he's like, I said, oh, Boab, 0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:42.720 you gotta try this. My mom made it. He's eating 0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:44.120 it now. You know, if you seem Bob, he has 0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:45.720 like he looks at he's got that joant. He's like, 0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:48.719 you know what, spinish pie is very flaky. He's got 0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:50.680 a flake of Philo doll over his mouth. He's like, 0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:55.480 did your mother really make this? Like yes, Bob, He's 0:33:55.480 --> 0:34:01.000 like it's quite delicious. And I said, well you know 0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:03.440 what you're tasting, Bob. He's like no, I said, that's love. 0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:07.239 So you know, that's that's the thing. I mean, that's 0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:10.640 why I'm so fat, because she just wants they just 0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:12.239 forced food and they come out twice a year and 0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:15.000 refrigerator becomes you know, like there's only a limit to 0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:16.640 how much we can fit in your mom, I'll make 0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:18.440 a room, I'll make room, and they still just want 0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:22.840 to feed me. Is We were having Christmas dinner a 0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:25.480 while back, like twenty years ago, and he's like yeah, 0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:27.239 and they were talking, you know, we haven't talking, and 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:29.440 then yeah, Peter stopped eating and Peters my brother, Like 0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:32.640 Peter stopped eating? What do you guys do? And my 0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:34.399 mom was like, we took the plate. We took his plate, 0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:35.919 we put in front of you. You You ate all the food, 0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:38.000 you're happy, you know, Like I was three, How do 0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:40.239 I know if I this stuff in my so that's 0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:42.600 probably why that's the most Greek thing about me is 0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:46.920 probably food and guilt. Now, your wife is not Greek. No, 0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:50.600 she's what you call like Senny's non Greek or um 0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:55.080 I guess. I remember we got married married twenty years 0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:59.480 and um so we've been together for like nine before that. 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:01.600 And he said, you know, we should probably get married, 0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.000 like sounds good. I said, I want a big church 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:05.800 wedding and she's like, shut up. You know she knows me. 0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:07.880 I don't want to. I said, no, I want a 0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:10.319 big church wedding. She's like, I don't understand. I said, 0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:12.920 not for me. But if we don't get married in 0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:15.319 the Greek church, your life is not going to be 0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:17.480 you know, you you my mother will make you miserable 0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:19.640 and you should live the day you'll regret it. So 0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:22.520 we go down to the gi Me the Saint Sophia is. 0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:24.680 It's great. They do a Greek festival, which is the 0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:26.720 best thing. If you've been to a Greek festival. Well, 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:29.240 I've been to a Greek I've been to a Greek festival. 0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:33.440 We're saying, Sophia. It's kind of like Normandy and uh Pico. 0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:36.600 And there's a place called Papa Cristo's across the street. 0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:38.480 You've been there. It's like a Greek restaurant and they 0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:41.960 do boils and tyd of cheat. It's great and it's 0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:43.799 the end of the summer. You should go. It's it's 0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:47.200 a good festival. So we go down there and um 0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:49.240 talking to the priest and telling him, you know whatever, 0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:51.319 and my wife's Roman Cathy at least, that she's bad. 0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:54.319 They've even baptized, Like, yeah, she's been baptized. He's like, 0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:56.319 and he tries to upsell it right away. Have you 0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:58.560 thought about the Greek religion and it's blah blah blah blah. 0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:01.279 And my wife's great eight aunt is a litizable. So 0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:03.720 this is Greek Orthodox is Greek Orthox, which is basically 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:05.960 because the right next to me in a high school, 0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:10.680 Spiro had the us, he had the locker, and his 0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:13.640 father was the priest at the Greek Orthodox church. Well, 0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:17.560 that's what's nice is that it's so when they broke off, 0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:19.000 I came up with the rules of It's it's pretty 0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:20.800 much similar, except this too. Like the two main difference 0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:23.240 of priests can marry, which means it's you're much more normal. 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:27.520 You can be much more normal. Um, the archbishop isn't 0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.399 for the archbishop is the first among equals, they say, 0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:32.439 So it's not like he's the only one who God talks. 0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:34.680 It was like, if anything happens, we all looked at him, 0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:36.319 he'll tell he'll take us all on the you know, Like, 0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:37.680 so which is I think it's a nice sentiment. And 0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:39.319 it's something to do with the Jewish calendar. We can't 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:41.759 have Easter till have to pass Over, because I guess 0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:43.560 pass Over was the last last supper was a pass 0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:47.400 over dinner. But um, so he's like tying upseller and 0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:49.759 my great her great aunt is a littlebath seat you 0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:52.839 know that is Seaton Hall University. Yeah, she's the first. 0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:55.279 She's the first. I just changed the name. The guy 0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:58.360 gave all the money. I think that's the one further 0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:03.200 down she's But sister Mary Liveath Seaton was the first 0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:07.360 American CANNONI st So I'm like, oh, her great auntswer 0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:08.920 Mary of the seat, and you know it's like I 0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:11.520 will table it. She can get married. It's fine, you like, 0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:14.960 you know, mess with that. So let's stopped for one second. 0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:22.040 You went Greek Orthodox? Are you a believer? I don't know. 0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:25.560 So you okay, I'm not gonna push that, do you. 0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:28.200 I mean, I don't know, I don't know what. I 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:30.880 don't know what's gonna happen, you know. Okay, so you 0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:33.360 do get what Barry did the Greek Orthodox just to 0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:35.879 make it so we could come home. There's this thing 0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.040 called stefana, which is they put these have you been 0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:40.960 to Greek weddings that three hours long? But they put 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:42.400 these crowns on your head and they go back and 0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:45.640 forth everything three times, three times, and Stephanas these these 0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:49.160 two crowns that they marry you with. Um As call 0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:50.919 my mom in the car, like, okay, we just brought 0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.640 some sides. You. Oh, we're getting married next week, but 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:55.960 no one's coming. I don't care. As long as you're 0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:58.480 getting married at church, makes no difference to me. And 0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:00.160 that was the end of it, you know. So so 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:01.759 they didn't even come out for the wedding thing on 0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:03.719 the phone. Wedding we just got it was my brother 0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:05.759 was on his way to Nagao for some reason for 0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:08.600 the Winter Olympics, and her sister was in Texas, and 0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:10.440 you just need you need someone to stand up for you. 0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:12.400 There's just the four of us on a Thursday afternoon, 0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:14.200 you know, getting married in the morning. In the morning 0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:16.880 was empty when we left. So what did your brother do? 0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:22.320 He's in advertising, he was, so I feel bad. So 0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:26.440 you have kids, you have brothers, no two sisters, so 0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:30.480 he's older. And then my dad went from restaurants apply 0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:32.239 to this, I mean this is this is just for 0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:35.120 meeting you. But he went from restaurants supplies to restaurants, 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:39.120 I mean only restaurants, a restaurants supply business. And my 0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:41.520 mom's brother was his partner. And then my mom's brother 0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:42.920 had midlife price, So you want to go to law 0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:46.200 school at age forty or whatever. And he thought, well, 0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:47.839 we'll just sell the business. And you know, my dad, 0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:49.319 my dad was still a young man. He's like, I'm 0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:51.319 not gonna retire. What are we gonna do? So my 0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:53.279 brother got kind of he just finished college. He got 0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:55.640 suckered into it, and he got trapped in a family business. 0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:58.239 And while that was happening, is when I was out 0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:00.480 moving in California, I was sending it. But he TV's 0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:02.640 gotta have, you know, platinum records, and like, you know, 0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:05.120 and I felt bad. He got stuck at the things. 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:06.960 So he's an AVERTI you work with Donnie Deutsch for 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:12.160 a long time. Um, he set up like a company 0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:16.360 with this like urban um d Rush, this urban Donnie 0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:18.680 Deutsch thing. And then well how did in with the 0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:23.120 family business? Eventually my dad retired, so my my brother 0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:25.839 came in for about he's stuck there about ten years 0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:27.640 and then you know, and then my dad just kind 0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:29.879 of got rid of it. But was there any money 0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:32.239 when he sold it? Yeah? Absolutely? Okay, they had the 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:34.719 condo in Florida. We still have the building. They had 0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:36.560 the condo in Florida with all the other Greek owners 0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.040 in Fort Laura Dale, which they still have the house. 0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:41.719 I grew up in Sais you know, so there's snowbirds 0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:45.080 they call it. Okay, So your father owned a diner 0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:48.320 until you were how old? Uh? Teenager? May just a 0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:52.000 twelfth thirteen? And then he had this restaurant. How close 0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:56.040 was the diner to your house? Up five minutes? Okay? 0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:58.680 Did your mother work in the diner? So? How much 0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:00.680 were you in the diner? I was I was just 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:02.560 to feel potatoes. I'd still put me in the back, 0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:07.239 turn over a big like fifty gallon cauldron and give 0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:09.200 me a stack of potatoes. I said, there peeled potatoes. 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:11.759 My dad was like, you know, he he left the 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:13.600 house at fourth three in the morning. It was a weird. 0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:16.439 We'd always have dinners a family, because breakfast and lunch 0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:18.040 was really in the dinner. It was. It wasn't like 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.080 a four hour kind of vibe. It was more like 0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:22.400 a right next to the train station. So it's a 0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:25.360 lot of breakfast, a lot of lunch, and then my 0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:27.439 dad would come home, we'd have dinner as of family. 0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:29.359 My mom would go and close up, and and then 0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:31.960 my dad would fall We watched Courtravettie's father and he 0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:33.440 fall asleep in the lazy boy and I had to 0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:35.439 wake him up, and then it all started over again. 0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:37.759 If we went out, like on a Sunday night U 0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:40.360 to like a church dance, we'd go to the dinner, 0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:42.880 he'd open it up and start making the muffins, you know, 0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:45.200 at midnight whatever, and he sometimes he didn't sleep there. 0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:48.040 It was like, you know, it's it's a blood business. 0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:51.000 You know, it's a real restaurant business in general, but 0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:53.000 it would be the type of thing that you kind 0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:54.680 of owned the place. You'd go and say, hey, you 0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:57.080 don't want a cheeseburger. My mom had no idea how 0:40:57.160 --> 0:40:59.600 to shop for you know, forever, because she took everything 0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:01.040 out of the wall again from the thing, and you 0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:03.279 know we'd have to stay. You know, it's come home 0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:05.000 another thing, like I come up from school. Hey, I 0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:07.360 think I come home with Tim whatever, my friend, and 0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:10.120 we're gonna do band practice in the basement. Whatever. He 0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:14.600 got hungry man? All right, something small? All right, I'll 0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:17.400 make you some steaks. You know. It's like you know 0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:19.560 it didn't you know we had a deep fry in 0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:23.359 our house. It's like, you know, so was that kind 0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:26.799 of thing? Okay, So let's turn to music. Were you 0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:29.239 a big music fan from growing up? Yeah? I loved it, 0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:32.880 you know was um it's funny. Uh. I think I 0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:34.759 told you I've met all Beatle I met all four Beatles. 0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:40.520 I'll tell you that story, right, so, uh George Paul 0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:42.839 and Ringo event later. You know, once I was out here. 0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:45.760 But I met John as a kid at Walt Disney World. Again, 0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:48.359 I was young. It was like seventy one, I want 0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:49.680 to say, right when they were breaking up. I think 0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:52.800 it's it's documented somewhere. How do you meet John Lennon 0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:55.560 at Disney at the Polynesian Hotel, at the buffet of 0:41:57.080 --> 0:41:59.880 what was she doing there? He was there with Julian, 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:03.040 there with Julian. I think I'm pretty sure it was Yoko. 0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:04.840 Some people think maybe it's made paying I can't. I 0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:06.560 have to do the research again. But that's where he was. 0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:09.759 That's where he signed his disillusion papers for the Beatles. 0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:12.680 But um so, my brother, like I said, my brothers 0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:14.160 four years older than me, and I knew the Beatles 0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:15.880 kind of from the cartoons, and I like the music 0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:20.040 and whatever. But I'm online and all of sudden he's 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:23.439 all he's not, you know, on top of me. He's 0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:25.719 like sausages. Like every time, every time I put some 0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:27.480 on my plate, he was like, he's like pancake. I'm 0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:30.440 like in the accent. It was just it was all 0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:32.400 too much. Like I had never met a British person, 0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:35.279 you know, when I was like five, maybe four, I 0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:37.719 was four, maybe four or five whatever, like this guy 0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:40.040 who he is whatever? Okay, maybe it's a little seven 0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:44.520 of it. Okay, he's like, oh, potatoes, potatoes, potato, like 0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:47.160 like like yeah, potatoes, you know, And I'm not gonna 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:49.520 lie to you. Always been a fat kid, So I 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:51.200 got back to the table and we're sitting like one 0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:53.920 table over from them. My parents aren't just freaked out 0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:55.799 because they were working. It didn't really you know, it 0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:58.000 wasn't like as much of them. And my brother grabs, 0:42:58.080 --> 0:42:59.680 He's like, what were you saying? Dude? What were you saying? 0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:03.240 And I like, I don't know. I just started crying 0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:05.239 at the table, like I lost my ship at the 0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:08.239 table and just I was crying and like, what do 0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:10.200 you say? What are you saying? Leave your brother lane? 0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:11.799 What do you say? Like? Who is that guy? Like 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:13.839 my Dad's like who is this guy? You know? Like 0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:17.399 and so then they had this man made lagoon. Will 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:19.279 you do these like power boats? And that was with 0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:22.640 my dad in the power boat and lending comes like hey, sausages, 0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:27.520 and my dad's like, who's your friend? So that was funny. 0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:32.760 But music can ask if you remember four years old 0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:34.839 he was sent I think I was six or seven? Okay? 0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:37.600 Could he walk around freely? Yeah? It was like it 0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:41.239 was I don't know. I guess he was who knows, 0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:44.839 but man, I don't think anybody with him. But I 0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:49.000 think my mom would get these um like Dick Clark 0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:54.880 records and it and like twenty twenty fifties tracks aside, 0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:56.840 and I would listen to those constantly Earth Angels and 0:43:57.080 --> 0:43:58.360 she's just saying Earth Agel to me, and I got like, 0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:00.200 I really had to Simon and Garfunkel when I was like, ah, 0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:02.319 like Cecilia was a big one for me, and I 0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:06.120 just loved it. And then I started playing drums. My 0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:08.200 brother got a drum step for Christmas. Of course I 0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:10.000 want to play drums. He but he was, you know, 0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:15.600 fourteen and I was ten, and uh so he started lessons. 0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:18.200 I started lessons. I started getting pretty good, and then 0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:20.239 I'm on eleven and twelve. I'm like eleven, twelve year old, 0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:21.600 and don't want to play with me in the junior 0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:24.480 high band because I'm I'm still in grade school. So 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:26.600 that Christmas, I'm like, I want a bass guitar. I 0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:27.920 had no idea what it was was I want a 0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:30.120 bass guitar because I knew every band had a bass player, 0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:32.279 and so they got me a bass player for I 0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:35.319 think about six or seventh grade that Christmas, and by 0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:37.680 January I was in four bands because oh, you play, 0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:39.399 you gotta be in our band, man, you know. So 0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:41.280 that's and then I turned over to bass, and then 0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:43.960 I never looked back. No, you did you take piano 0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:46.879 lessons as a kid, I took I just took drum 0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:49.640 lessons and bass lessons. Basically I'm not taking I mean, 0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:51.719 I can fake it pretty good. I can pick out 0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:53.600 the notes. I can I can read a little bit, 0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:56.000 but I'm not I'm not a highly skilled musician. So 0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:57.840 when you're in a high school, you're playing in bands 0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:00.120 and playing a couple of bands. And played Max when 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:03.120 I was sixteen, Maxes, Kansas City. Yeah, yeah, what what 0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:05.839 kind of music were played? We were a silly pomp band. 0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:07.960 It was kind of crazy. We played a biker night 0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:10.480 at Max's and they loved it. They thought we were cute. 0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:13.120 You know, you've been to Max's back. So they middle 0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:16.439 of those long tables like those my ar lead singer 0:45:16.560 --> 0:45:19.840 kind of walked out table like songs like they dreamer 0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:22.200 dream like these little kids, and like they got to 0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:24.720 kick out of it. Played Max's different lounge in the city, 0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:27.520 my father's place, and I'll remember my father in Roslyn. 0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:31.960 We played a bunch of un like the place called 0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:34.239 Uncle Sam's. Also, rather that there was a competing place. 0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:35.719 We played a bunch of these places when we were 0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:39.040 still young, very young, we were I mean, we're okay. 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:43.520 We had one guy who was Phili Bono, sweet guy. 0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:47.640 His dad was uh in charge. He had an air 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:50.640 freight company at the airport. If I mean that's all 0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:55.160 I need okay, Oh yeah. He was in and he 0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:58.080 was in summer camp for most of Phil's childhood. He 0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:01.319 was away at summer camp um and he kind of 0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:03.120 funded everything, Like we get we had a great gear, 0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:05.120 we had a truck, we had like lighting things. So 0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:08.560 we're very we're very pro. That's pretty serious. And was 0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:11.440 there a dream we all thought were gonna, you know, 0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:14.560 let's do it. He was. He was a songwriter, and 0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:16.520 I kind of it's where I started, Like he was 0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:18.640 a songwer. I kind of would range it and say, look, 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:20.720 we can't just be playing the same four songs, important 0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:22.440 chords all the time. We gotta do something different. And 0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:26.600 this is Petty became really influential to me. Like Dan 0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:28.160 the Torpedoes wreck it came out and I was like, 0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:30.480 I really studied that, and like we had a bridge. 0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:32.560 We need to say something interesting, we need this. So 0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:35.600 I started arranging these songs and that's what became that's 0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:39.160 what led me to be want to be you know production. Okay, 0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:41.879 so you're in the high school, you graduated from high 0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:43.919 school and then what go to n y U, which 0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:48.520 is okay, but why n y you? It's a good story. Again, 0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:51.160 I might be boring you. But so I applied to 0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:54.040 m y U because I had this music business program, 0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:55.919 which is kind of a morphous and weird. It wasn't 0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:58.120 the Clive Davis School. It was a it was a 0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:01.240 dual major you can do. It was music and business. 0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:04.080 I play to use l A because I wanted to 0:47:04.120 --> 0:47:06.840 go to California. It was it's a dream. And you know, 0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:09.000 you live out the East coast Boston University because it 0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:12.320 was it wasn't music college town at a time, and 0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:15.439 I think Syracuse and my brother went there and then 0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:17.759 in the in the spring, whenever he finds out where 0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:20.040 they're going, it's like, I got it to this this. 0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:23.120 I got to see my guidance counselor, Mr McMahon. I said, hey, MGA, 0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:25.120 what's happened? He goes goes. Oh, I didn't send anything. 0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:26.680 You think I didn't send anything out? Where do you 0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:30.640 want to go? I said, Well, at this point, I 0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:32.640 guess y U you know because I've gone I've been 0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:34.320 going to the city and playing in the city. He's like, okay, 0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:35.960 you go at any whet you We'll go to the 0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:40.879 Chinese restaurant, bring your mother, we'll talk about it. Pools 0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:44.080 a public school by this gets this gets weird. I 0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:45.480 go to his office. He goes, all right, we go 0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.200 getting his Dodge Dart, late model Dodge Dart, no license 0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:51.000 player like. Mr McMahon goes because don't worry. They know 0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:52.640 who I am. You know who I am, right, George. 0:47:52.719 --> 0:47:55.400 I'm like, hey, you'm Mr McMahon, my guy, that's counsel. 0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:58.840 But you know right. I'm like, okay, goes through a 0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:02.319 stop sign. He's like, they saw him. You don't worry 0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:05.040 about it. Then starts telling me the story of falling down. 0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:08.840 No Bruce like, I'm kind of following it. I'm like, okay, 0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:11.600 he goes because you know who I am, right, he's Jesus. 0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:16.520 He thinks he's Jesus. We get to the restaurant. I'm 0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:19.080 umen parking a lot, ma'am. I see that someone with 0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:20.800 the baby. I see the baby have nothing but happiness, 0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:23.000 enjoying with this baby. Is that blah? Blah blah. See George, 0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:25.560 I kne who I am. I'm white and freaking out. 0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:27.800 My mom's already this Chinese restaurant called Moers, which is 0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:31.880 a great Chinese restaurant in the the Woodberry Commons. We sit down, Sophie, 0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.360 your son is this blah blah blah blah blah. He starts. 0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:36.439 He starts giving a sermon. Basically, he has a glass 0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:38.000 of wine. I call it, you know, I like, this 0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:39.719 is my but and I was like, oh, he's such 0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:41.320 a good boy. You know, we don't get him done with. 0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:44.239 You get Sophie. I promise you're gonna George tell your 0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:47.080 mother you you're on in respect them. Okay, great, I 0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:49.640 don't need anything. Mom's eating the whole time. I take 0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:51.759 my food to go. We get in the car and 0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:54.680 my mom's like, you were very hungry. What happened? I go, 0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:57.520 did you hear what the guy was saying? Oh, he's 0:48:57.520 --> 0:48:58.880 out of his mind? But we're going to n y U. 0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:01.319 You're head to say that we're in. A week later, 0:49:01.360 --> 0:49:05.000 he gets committed. We got n y U. Somehow I 0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:07.080 have no idea to the state. It's mystery because I 0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:08.480 wanted to do like a short film about I think 0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:10.319 it's like a really interesting film about guidance counsel of things. 0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:12.719 He's Jesus and you get you. He gets committed. We 0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:15.040 get a down Yu, and then the rest of decision 0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:16.440 is another funny story when we get down why you? 0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:19.560 But just it's funny that you said that this was today, 0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:22.320 I'd be in therapy. We probably owned the land that 0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:24.080 sizz the school district was not you know that we'd 0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:26.120 have a huge settlement, you know, I mean like, and 0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:27.600 I called my mother, She's like, I don't know. But 0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:29.759 he got in YU, So I guess we got you that. 0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:32.120 I get the n y U. And I see this guy, 0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:36.960 Professor Broderick this September, you know, being later early September, 0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:39.840 dog days of New York City. He's got a blue blaze. 0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:41.680 He's like a jazz hipster. Let's say Mr Burns kind 0:49:41.680 --> 0:49:44.680 of with gray hair, tall, like six four like Hi, 0:49:44.920 --> 0:49:47.359 Professor Brodrick, George Culius, first year you know this music 0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:52.279 busy program? He runs it. What should I take? He 0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:54.919 looks at me. He opens like a steelcase test takes 0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:58.040 out a a tall boy and a round taper back. 0:49:58.520 --> 0:49:59.960 This is how long has it been sitting so it's 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.279 piss warm. I was up takes a few stive because 0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:06.200 hey man, I don't know you had that take whatever 0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:09.040 turns you on. So this is great. This is the 0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:11.200 best school in the world. So for two years I 0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:14.680 took like film class, like some biology for like for 0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:17.279 med students, like I just picked these things. He gets 0:50:17.320 --> 0:50:20.080 retired somehow, they call me to the teen's office, Mr 0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:21.880 colis what we've been doing here for two years? Like 0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:24.480 hey man, just taking what turns me on? Like well, 0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:27.400 you have like three credit stores, this weird major that 0:50:27.440 --> 0:50:29.080 doesn't really exist, and this and that. It was like 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:31.520 through the So they put me back on track, but 0:50:31.560 --> 0:50:33.400 I didn't. I went four years, but I didn't graduate, 0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:37.600 and I want my degree. If I've now that it's 0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:42.200 the Clive Davis School of whatever. I talytically if you 0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:46.080 were to go back, how much school they say you short? 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:48.000 I think probably about a year and a half or 0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:52.839 something that, um it's funny. Uh. I had someone looking 0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:55.040 up and they were like like, oh man, no problem, Like, 0:50:55.120 --> 0:50:56.279 oh man, I think you got like a year and 0:50:56.320 --> 0:50:57.960 a half. It's just too much and this and that. 0:50:58.120 --> 0:51:00.879 So I haven't really and by the time to be Honest, 0:51:00.920 --> 0:51:02.719 my third year school, I was already working, you know, 0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:05.400 we were stopped really going to class, would be in 0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:07.560 the studio four or five in the morning, and you know, 0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:09.680 so it was but senior I was really coming at all. 0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:13.000 So I don't blame them. It's not like, Okay, so 0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:14.920 you're in there, you're in this program, when do you 0:51:15.000 --> 0:51:19.480 meet your compatriots? Um? I went out with a girl 0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:23.960 that Rick dated Reuben, and then he was the social 0:51:24.000 --> 0:51:26.720 committee chairman, which meant they gave him a couple hundred 0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:30.040 bucks every three months to throw a party. And he'd 0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:32.920 get as much cheap grain alcohol you can get, and 0:51:33.520 --> 0:51:35.160 I get like a like a hip hop DJ or 0:51:35.160 --> 0:51:37.000 somebody to come down. And this was how long after 0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:40.200 we're going to n y U. This is my junior year. Okay, 0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:45.680 this is this is my junior year. And then um, yeah, 0:51:45.719 --> 0:51:47.719 so he'd throw these parties and I just started helping him, 0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:50.480 you know, d help him DJ and Karen Crates whatever, 0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:54.080 and then he but he was hiring a DJ. He 0:51:54.200 --> 0:52:00.120 wasn't DJJ. He was the DJ. And then he have 0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:02.400 but then you have guests, you have guest people come 0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:05.160 and scratch whatever, blah blah blah, so helping the crates 0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:07.360 and talent whatever. And then so what year we in 0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:14.680 eight five, eight four, I started eighty two and um, 0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:19.200 and then he put out this record call It's Yours 0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:23.560 A little bit slower You're coming. You're have a nexus 0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:26.520 with him. At the time he's throwing these parties, he's 0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:28.759 also starting to put out records. He had made one 0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:31.480 record that he that that he with this guy called 0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:36.000 Tela Rock and this DJ called Jazz J called It's Yours. 0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:37.640 It had n't been out yet, and it went out 0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:39.640 went out that summer. There was one of those things 0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:42.080 you heard everywhere, wasn't on the radio, you know, was 0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:44.600 that you heard every car, every every boom box. You know, 0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:47.360 let's be clear. Is that because you know, if that 0:52:47.480 --> 0:52:51.040 things don't happen by themselves. Was Rick working at that hard? No, 0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:54.320 it was. It was a natural. It was a very natural. 0:52:54.760 --> 0:52:57.239 It was a zeitgeist of hip hop at that moment. 0:52:57.520 --> 0:53:00.880 It was a great beat. The this guy Tiler Rock 0:53:00.960 --> 0:53:05.520 had an amazing voice, um, interesting lyrics. You know, it 0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:08.560 was just it just took hold. It is magical. It's 0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:09.880 one of those things that there was no you know, 0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:13.080 no one's working at really he had it, So that's 0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:14.879 what That was the first def Chan release, but def 0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:16.440 Chan wasn't really a label yet. It was the def 0:53:16.560 --> 0:53:20.360 Chaan release through Party Time, which was Mars Leavey. So 0:53:20.440 --> 0:53:23.600 I never got exactly, you never got paid. And then 0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:27.279 he met Rick Russell thought that was I thought Rick 0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:29.680 was a black person. So he's like, I'm gonna meet 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:31.600 this guy Rick Ruben. They met each other. Now Russell 0:53:31.760 --> 0:53:35.320 was doing what Russell was managing run the MC and producer. 0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:37.680 He was a producer also and he was managing them, 0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:40.960 and he was he's runs you know, he runs brother 0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:42.759 so okay, but he's not going in why are you? 0:53:44.080 --> 0:53:45.880 He lives at the FRAC City. He's older than us. 0:53:45.920 --> 0:53:48.239 He was at City. He's a couple years older. I 0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:51.279 think when the Queen's College was dropped out um they 0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:55.400 started label and the first official release was it was 0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:59.600 l L Cool j Um. So that's when I kind 0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:03.120 of went all time. So I took it. You're dating 0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:08.240 his ex girlfriend, you're helping him with the social parties. 0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:11.040 How do you become all of a sudden invested in 0:54:11.120 --> 0:54:14.879 all this ship. Yeah, it's all about the hang. That's 0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:19.080 my masket. But not everybody knows he's gotta be cool 0:54:19.120 --> 0:54:22.920 like you gotta be you know, you gotta be you 0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:24.919 gotta be easy person to be around, and you gotta 0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:27.400 have you gotta have input, and plus you had it 0:54:27.440 --> 0:54:31.360 was a head of hands. Back then, Um, everything was. 0:54:31.400 --> 0:54:34.080 There's no computers, so everything was manual. So if you 0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:36.359 listen to these old records, these these first eight death 0:54:36.400 --> 0:54:39.919 Jam records, and basically just a drum machine, a guy 0:54:40.040 --> 0:54:43.520 yelling and some scratching. There's not much more music involved 0:54:43.520 --> 0:54:47.320 than that. But if you wanted, if you want to, 0:54:48.160 --> 0:54:49.640 if you just want the high hat to play, you 0:54:49.719 --> 0:54:52.239 have physically mute everything else, so you need his hands 0:54:52.280 --> 0:54:54.600 on the deck. So everything was like everything was manual 0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:56.880 that It's hard to explain it, but it was. It 0:54:56.960 --> 0:54:58.880 took a couple of people to work the desk because 0:54:59.200 --> 0:55:01.239 all right, he comes break, you need to kick drum, 0:55:01.360 --> 0:55:03.040 who's on kick drump, you're on kick drump? You know 0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:04.960 who's on scrap that kind of thing, so you have 0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:07.920 to and then you'd added pieces together and so it 0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:10.480 was it was a more uh kind of like that. 0:55:10.600 --> 0:55:12.480 And then the student I knew music, you know, so 0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:15.400 that was like another thing, and you know, that's it 0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:18.359 just became you just started running around them. You started 0:55:18.400 --> 0:55:20.440 run around the best, the beasts and stuff like that, 0:55:20.520 --> 0:55:29.279 and just go to the studio and help. Were you 0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:34.160 a hip hop fan? I loved soul music. I loved 0:55:34.200 --> 0:55:37.840 old black music, the blue stuff like that. So through that, 0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:40.680 you know, that was like the new that was the 0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:42.920 newest black music, you know, So you were a fan 0:55:43.000 --> 0:55:45.200 of the music stuff we were doing and the stuff. Okay, 0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:47.879 so now they start deaf jam. I mean, you're you're 0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:51.840 an official employee. What I'm a I'm a I'm getting 0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:56.120 I'm getting college credit. I'm not getting I think I'm 0:55:56.120 --> 0:55:58.759 not getting paid, of course not. But I have three 0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:03.880 or four jobs. Is the college radio promo guy? I 0:56:04.120 --> 0:56:10.440 was ah, I did sales and I answered the phones 0:56:10.480 --> 0:56:13.160 and stuff like that. When it was basically Rick Rick 0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:16.960 dorm room. So and I had different people. I also 0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:19.800 made different people to be those things. So when I 0:56:19.880 --> 0:56:21.480 was calling up, I can't remember the names that I had, 0:56:22.120 --> 0:56:28.359 like Donald Trump, Yeah, yeah, I'm John John whatever yeah, 0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:32.479 um uh So I would call and then I would 0:56:32.480 --> 0:56:36.680 also be responsible for getting for shipping labels. So you'd 0:56:36.719 --> 0:56:41.200 make this Let's give you the quick story. So you 0:56:41.280 --> 0:56:43.400 go to the studio, which this is another thing that 0:56:43.560 --> 0:56:45.680 was I think I might have told you the story, 0:56:45.719 --> 0:56:47.960 but it was very You knew kind of right away 0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:49.600 where the record was working. You'd go to the studio, 0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:53.759 make a record. You cut an ascetate, go to this guy, Um, 0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:57.279 who's the guy boom boom boom gardener that we had 0:56:57.280 --> 0:56:59.879 a guy in New York, Herbie Herbie Powers. Maybe this guy. 0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:01.960 You get an a state smell like a bowling ball, 0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:03.799 which is great. You just didn't smell it all day. 0:57:04.280 --> 0:57:07.040 You go to the Roxy two in the morning, three 0:57:07.080 --> 0:57:08.239 in the morning. I asked the guy to play. You 0:57:08.239 --> 0:57:09.759 go to up to the d J booth. He played 0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:12.359 this for us. He put it on. He's like, all right, 0:57:12.440 --> 0:57:14.960 wait around, he'd wait around, he put it on. You're 0:57:15.000 --> 0:57:16.800 sitting up on top, you're looking down the dance floor. 0:57:17.280 --> 0:57:19.800 Record comes on and you watch and if people walked 0:57:19.840 --> 0:57:23.120 off weren't interested, you knew this is not ready, this 0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:25.160 is not a record we should put out. People like 0:57:25.200 --> 0:57:28.200 looked up to the DJ booth went what's you know? 0:57:28.240 --> 0:57:30.080 Because also the thing with Hippop, it's all about the 0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:31.960 new which was interesting, which is fun. This is really 0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:33.680 not what my personality is. But it's also about the 0:57:33.720 --> 0:57:35.960 newest record, the newest thing, the freshest to flow. You know. 0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:37.800 That was like it was very much and not knowing 0:57:37.840 --> 0:57:41.240 what was coming next. So like play a record, they 0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:42.960 look up, give you the you know, like give you 0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:44.920 like put your hands in the kind of people get excited, 0:57:44.960 --> 0:57:46.320 like all right, this record is ready to go. Let's 0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:50.200 press it. Who's money were you using? So Rick Rick's 0:57:50.240 --> 0:57:54.040 dad was the baby shoot king of Long Island Total 0:57:54.280 --> 0:57:58.960 you know south Shore, you know, new money kind of 0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:00.360 thing that does anything wrong, you know. I was saying, 0:58:00.880 --> 0:58:05.600 it's like, um, so from that point, okay, we're gonna 0:58:05.600 --> 0:58:07.959 make this thing. We had these labels. Labels were printed 0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:11.800 in Brooklyn, but the pressing plant was in Jersey. So 0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:15.280 I'd go to Brooklyn on the subway, get two boxes 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:19.360 of five thousand label whatever it's five thousand labels, take 0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:22.360 them the Port Authority put him on a bus to 0:58:22.480 --> 0:58:25.360 New Jersey and they'd go to the plant and then 0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:27.680 the plant would send to test pressings back and I 0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:29.920 go back to the Port Authority, wait for the wait 0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:32.760 for the Union bus to come in. Take that and 0:58:32.800 --> 0:58:34.520 then I would take it down. We'd give us to 0:58:34.560 --> 0:58:36.800 DJs and stuff. Like that. And then we had we 0:58:36.840 --> 0:58:39.160 had an official distributor in New York who was like, 0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:41.760 because indies, they didn't pay you to you put the 0:58:41.800 --> 0:58:45.240 next record out. So there was a there was a 0:58:45.400 --> 0:58:47.840 there's a place what's that called. So we'd have one 0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:49.800 official place in Long Island City that would handle all 0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:51.360 the stuff and they would they would order directly from 0:58:51.400 --> 0:58:53.840 the plant once we once the record without and but 0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:56.400 then we get two boxes and sell it on the 0:58:56.520 --> 0:59:01.760 sly to this woman uh Pearl on like eleventh Avenue 0:59:01.840 --> 0:59:04.280 in the forties, and she would buy for cash and 0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:06.000 she just go cash and my job was to go 0:59:06.600 --> 0:59:08.000 drop him off there and you have to cash. But 0:59:08.040 --> 0:59:10.040 back then it was all training hookers that area. It 0:59:10.120 --> 0:59:12.240 wasn't like as hip as it is now. And so 0:59:13.800 --> 0:59:15.640 I take a subway there or whatever. I walk over 0:59:15.720 --> 0:59:17.600 with these two boxes and then I had like five 0:59:17.640 --> 0:59:19.480 in all his money. I put it down my pants 0:59:20.560 --> 0:59:22.560 and I treat myself to a cab to get home. 0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:27.280 So that was the beginning. That was the first eight records. 0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:31.120 There were these twelve inches and then uh Steve Bounci 0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:34.760 signed def Jam as a label. So who signed Jeff 0:59:35.480 --> 0:59:39.200 Steve Abowski? Oh, Steve Roboski d okay. He signed def 0:59:39.320 --> 0:59:41.720 Jam as a label to Columbia and then they started. 0:59:41.760 --> 0:59:43.040 They kind of took over the stuff, and then the 0:59:43.080 --> 0:59:47.520 first album was Yellow Cool J Record Radio, which again 0:59:47.640 --> 0:59:51.240 like you kind of know. So I'm coming out from 0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:53.200 Black Rock. I've got a bunch of cassettes now, and 0:59:53.240 --> 0:59:55.160 I'm walking down the street. I'm on Fifth Avenue. I 0:59:55.200 --> 0:59:57.600 see these two kids who are carrying a boom box 0:59:57.680 --> 1:00:00.520 that's twice there, black Rock the CBS, but black Rock 1:00:00.640 --> 1:00:03.200 CBS building. And these two kids are like sharing a 1:00:03.240 --> 1:00:05.440 boom box, this giant radio and the cover of the 1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:09.320 cool Radio, which is basically the radio. And so I 1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:11.400 see these two guys and they listen to something whatever. 1:00:11.400 --> 1:00:14.160 I don't know what it is. I'm like, I'm like, hey, hand. 1:00:14.320 --> 1:00:16.600 They look at me first, I think I'm weird. I'm 1:00:16.600 --> 1:00:19.440 like hand in a cassette. It's a local J. They 1:00:19.480 --> 1:00:22.000 look at it, they see the radio. They look back 1:00:22.080 --> 1:00:25.360 up at me, like what's happening here? Exactly to look 1:00:25.400 --> 1:00:28.800 at the thing. Took out their cassette, put this cassette in, 1:00:29.200 --> 1:00:31.720 shut it, and I think rock the Bells is the 1:00:31.720 --> 1:00:34.600 first track. L L cool J is hardest. Let me 1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:39.400 hit play. They both looked down at the radio, they 1:00:39.440 --> 1:00:41.360 looked at me, put the radio on their shoulder. Then 1:00:41.360 --> 1:00:44.200 they were happy, and I remember I went back down. 1:00:44.280 --> 1:00:46.440 I went back to the dorm room like l is 1:00:46.440 --> 1:00:48.160 going to blow up, Like why do you say that? Said, 1:00:48.400 --> 1:00:50.120 I just gave these two kids. They couldn't be like 1:00:50.280 --> 1:00:52.080 they were like twelve fourteen, and they just put it 1:00:52.120 --> 1:00:54.760 on it, said they It was the happiest of this. 1:00:55.000 --> 1:00:58.440 And at this point Rob Botski was a club. He's 1:00:58.520 --> 1:01:01.000 a director of Vice Spread Vice Prevor or whatever the 1:01:01.440 --> 1:01:04.800 titles of Colombia. So that was the That was the 1:01:04.840 --> 1:01:06.800 first album, the first Deep Channel album, and there was 1:01:06.800 --> 1:01:08.400 I think it's the first rapt record to go gold, 1:01:08.480 --> 1:01:11.760 maybe first album to go gold. Okay what came after? 1:01:12.440 --> 1:01:15.400 And it was the best twelve inch which is pretty fun. 1:01:16.000 --> 1:01:19.280 And then the BC's album Okay, how did the Beast? 1:01:19.360 --> 1:01:21.840 You weren't the BC's on tour with Madonna before that 1:01:21.920 --> 1:01:24.080 album because it was a single. They they've done these 1:01:24.080 --> 1:01:28.480 two singles, um and she took them. I had to 1:01:28.520 --> 1:01:30.680 say to her credit, you know, we'd see around and 1:01:30.760 --> 1:01:32.360 she was cool. You know, she took them and she 1:01:32.480 --> 1:01:36.680 was even when they want to get I mean he's 1:01:36.880 --> 1:01:39.160 uh m c a. It was the greatest, you know, yeah, 1:01:39.720 --> 1:01:41.680 I mean they would they would practice their routine. They 1:01:41.720 --> 1:01:43.960 practice the routines at thet our dorm in the basement. 1:01:44.400 --> 1:01:45.920 But I remember I went to see a show. It's like, 1:01:45.960 --> 1:01:47.400 you know, I've been all around the world and this 1:01:47.520 --> 1:01:50.360 is Madonna. This is like a virgin's over every girl's 1:01:50.400 --> 1:01:53.920 thirteen fourteen in the audiences. Like I've been around all that, 1:01:53.960 --> 1:01:56.240 I've been around this motherfucker. I can tell you right now. 1:01:56.360 --> 1:01:59.680 There's no pussy like Boston like, and the kids are 1:01:59.720 --> 1:02:02.840 hard five. It's like, you know, like get these people. 1:02:03.040 --> 1:02:05.480 Like there's so many complaints, but she kept them, and that, 1:02:05.760 --> 1:02:08.120 uh the best was the end of the tour was 1:02:08.160 --> 1:02:11.160 at the Garden and I went out and got a 1:02:11.200 --> 1:02:14.520 bunch of super soakers and during her set they ran 1:02:14.560 --> 1:02:16.560 on and they were underwear and they hosed her down 1:02:16.680 --> 1:02:18.200 with Then that was like a big That was a 1:02:18.240 --> 1:02:21.120 big event. Okay, do you have any idea license to 1:02:21.200 --> 1:02:24.440 It was gonna be so gigantic. Again, I think we're 1:02:24.440 --> 1:02:27.200 just making me. You know, I was firstfully involved, but 1:02:27.240 --> 1:02:29.040 I'm saying I think I sang on. It may played something, 1:02:29.400 --> 1:02:31.680 but it was like, I think it was so happy. 1:02:31.680 --> 1:02:33.760 We just make ourselves happy, like there was so it was. 1:02:35.040 --> 1:02:36.840 I explained to it. It's such a like they were 1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:38.760 like princes of the city, you know, and somehow just 1:02:38.840 --> 1:02:40.800 by being in the court, you were like this thing 1:02:41.000 --> 1:02:43.720 like everything was open to you. Everybody want to talk 1:02:43.760 --> 1:02:46.640 to you. People come downtown. That's when downtown started coming 1:02:47.080 --> 1:02:49.440 to these things. And you know, Lauren Hutton and try 1:02:49.480 --> 1:02:51.160 to pick me up at some club one time, you know, 1:02:51.320 --> 1:02:53.160 and I was a hundred pounds lighter and a lot cuter, 1:02:53.320 --> 1:02:56.600 but you know, and it was just a moment. It 1:02:56.680 --> 1:02:58.760 was a very magical moment. They could do no wrong. 1:02:58.920 --> 1:03:01.080 You know, they were anointed whatever reason. It was still 1:03:01.560 --> 1:03:03.840 it wasn't worldwide, but you just felt good about it. 1:03:03.880 --> 1:03:05.320 But you had no idea it was gonna don't think 1:03:05.320 --> 1:03:07.040 you never know, you know, you don't think it's gonna 1:03:07.040 --> 1:03:10.160 be that crazy. Did you read Did you read the book? 1:03:10.200 --> 1:03:12.640 Their book? I haven't read it. Yeah, I skimmed it. 1:03:12.680 --> 1:03:15.120 The books. It's amazing. Get it on tape because they 1:03:15.160 --> 1:03:16.640 tell a lot of the stories and they have just 1:03:16.680 --> 1:03:18.160 with my nephew last time. He has the book and 1:03:18.280 --> 1:03:19.960 the tape. Yeah, I listened It's Funny to a Treat 1:03:19.960 --> 1:03:21.480 to Vegas, but I never drove the Vegas like I'm 1:03:21.480 --> 1:03:23.560 gonna I'm gonna specifically go to the Vegas. I can 1:03:23.640 --> 1:03:26.160 buy this book. Listen to it and you'll hear it. 1:03:26.280 --> 1:03:28.840 It was a magical time and those I mean, they 1:03:29.000 --> 1:03:32.360 really were blown up into a crazy world. It didn't 1:03:32.360 --> 1:03:36.120 affect me as much. But okay, so what else were 1:03:36.160 --> 1:03:38.400 you working on? There are desk just I mean that 1:03:38.960 --> 1:03:40.720 we then then we had like some R and B 1:03:40.880 --> 1:03:42.880 stuff that didn't Wressell started like doing some R and 1:03:42.920 --> 1:03:46.160 P things, have one that recorded Orange Juice Jones the Rain, 1:03:46.800 --> 1:03:51.080 so you and him, um and then it kind of 1:03:51.240 --> 1:03:52.600 and then it just kind of got weird, like you know, 1:03:52.680 --> 1:03:54.680 the PCs they were gonna make a second you know, 1:03:54.840 --> 1:03:56.680 Rick and they started to have their thing. We're got 1:03:56.680 --> 1:03:58.720 funny with the money, as I like to say, and 1:03:59.320 --> 1:04:02.720 just Rick the movie it just kind of fell apart, 1:04:02.880 --> 1:04:06.320 you know. Okay, so it fell apart. That's when you 1:04:06.400 --> 1:04:08.800 go to work at A and M and they go 1:04:08.960 --> 1:04:11.480 to Capital to Capital, they move out here, right, but 1:04:11.560 --> 1:04:13.560 they name check you on the record. You are you 1:04:13.680 --> 1:04:19.800 involved at all? Just you know what rhymes of orange Okay, 1:04:20.160 --> 1:04:21.760 So going back to the story, you're at A and 1:04:21.960 --> 1:04:26.240 M Now you moved to California, to California. I moved 1:04:26.280 --> 1:04:30.400 to California in nine. Okay, Suddenly it was Death American 1:04:30.480 --> 1:04:32.480 and it was all rock instead of hip hop. Right. 1:04:32.520 --> 1:04:36.800 The first was Slayer, Right, I think it was Slayer, 1:04:37.120 --> 1:04:42.520 and then the Crows, a band called Wilf Spain. Maybe. Yeah, 1:04:42.520 --> 1:04:45.000 it was much more rock. What does that have to 1:04:45.080 --> 1:04:48.160 say about you know, rude Rick, He's I think he 1:04:48.240 --> 1:04:50.000 was really enamored with l A. He loved it. We 1:04:50.280 --> 1:04:54.080 came out, he'd been out here before, like for business 1:04:54.200 --> 1:04:56.160 or something. And then we came out in eighty six 1:04:56.360 --> 1:05:03.439 to do this um soundtrack to Not the One Andrew 1:05:03.520 --> 1:05:07.439 McCarthy and and Downey Reddy Stenella's book Less Than Zero. 1:05:08.000 --> 1:05:10.880 So we camped out for about a six weeks at 1:05:10.880 --> 1:05:14.800 the Montreal and we made a bunch of records during 1:05:14.840 --> 1:05:16.880 the course of that, and then I think he was 1:05:16.920 --> 1:05:19.960 really enamored with it. I think also he was making 1:05:20.040 --> 1:05:22.800 Slayer and making Dance Egg he started making he started 1:05:22.840 --> 1:05:25.320 really this really was from the island, more of a 1:05:25.560 --> 1:05:27.240 rock kind of guy. I think he started making those 1:05:27.280 --> 1:05:29.240 records and the seeing he was incredible. I don't know 1:05:29.360 --> 1:05:32.040 when you were here, right, you know, walking up and 1:05:32.080 --> 1:05:35.480 down Sunset handing out flyers. It was I mean, it 1:05:35.600 --> 1:05:37.480 was incredible. I think he just loved it. You know, 1:05:37.560 --> 1:05:39.560 he had a porno actress for a girlfriend. You know. 1:05:39.600 --> 1:05:41.720 It was just he was just loving it. He loved 1:05:41.720 --> 1:05:44.920 the California lifestyle, he loved driving. I think it reminded 1:05:45.000 --> 1:05:49.240 him of um Long Island, which is what this is. Really, 1:05:49.280 --> 1:05:52.320 It's right, that's why. Actually it's a giant it's it's 1:05:52.320 --> 1:05:55.080 a suburb. It's like Sunset Boulevard is like Sunrise Highway, 1:05:55.480 --> 1:05:57.720 Long Island. It's the same difference. It's just many more whatever. 1:05:57.800 --> 1:06:00.600 You keep going and you hit little neighborhoods um So 1:06:01.000 --> 1:06:03.160 I think he was enamored with it and hearing K 1:06:03.320 --> 1:06:05.360 and NC was happening, so getting to hear the record 1:06:05.400 --> 1:06:08.680 he was making on the radio at a Long Beach, 1:06:09.200 --> 1:06:11.120 so I think he was he was just completely enamored 1:06:11.160 --> 1:06:12.920 with it. He loved it. Okay, so you come out 1:06:12.960 --> 1:06:14.760 here in eighty nine to help, but with the label, 1:06:15.240 --> 1:06:19.080 how do you suddenly become a producer? You know, I 1:06:19.080 --> 1:06:20.600 would we're working on the records back in the day, 1:06:20.640 --> 1:06:21.800 you know, I was working on the records with him, 1:06:21.840 --> 1:06:25.320 and I would always go to the studio UM and hung. 1:06:25.600 --> 1:06:27.360 You know, you want to be something, you just call 1:06:27.400 --> 1:06:31.000 yourself that boh okay. So when you were out here 1:06:31.040 --> 1:06:33.240 with Rick and eight nine, how many people were working 1:06:33.280 --> 1:06:36.760 for Deaf American? Uh? Just me and Rick. And then 1:06:36.800 --> 1:06:40.400 it became that I think he hired We distributed through 1:06:40.400 --> 1:06:44.040 Geffen and they hired Mark Theda, you know Mark. I 1:06:44.040 --> 1:06:47.320 think Marked was the first hiring. And then maybe another 1:06:47.360 --> 1:06:50.640 guy from a guy who used to work Kane A. 1:06:50.760 --> 1:06:52.920 C To help with the radio stuff. And that was 1:06:53.000 --> 1:06:57.080 like I had an office. UM, we had an off 1:06:57.120 --> 1:06:59.280 as across the Geffen. There's a pizza place on top 1:06:59.360 --> 1:07:02.120 of Corey Street that was our office. So I had 1:07:02.160 --> 1:07:04.880 an office there. Rick never came into the office and 1:07:05.880 --> 1:07:07.480 he basically worked out of the house. So there maybe 1:07:07.560 --> 1:07:09.800 three to three people for a long time. Then it 1:07:09.880 --> 1:07:12.400 kind of grew while then started getting bigger as more 1:07:12.840 --> 1:07:19.160 so how long did you work with UM? Twelve thirteen years? 1:07:19.880 --> 1:07:24.040 So how did it end? I don't know if it's over. 1:07:24.080 --> 1:07:26.200 I guess it's I mean, I think he just keeps 1:07:26.240 --> 1:07:27.680 he kept moving the label. I think he kind of 1:07:27.720 --> 1:07:31.920 got less. He started becoming more of a superstar producer. 1:07:32.640 --> 1:07:34.240 It's and I don't blame him, you know, it's much 1:07:34.240 --> 1:07:36.520 more fun to make a record with Platinum Max and 1:07:37.320 --> 1:07:39.640 and Mick Jagger and things like that, you know, And 1:07:39.680 --> 1:07:42.000 I think kind of the label stuff wasn't as important 1:07:42.000 --> 1:07:45.640 to him. And he just kept kept moving and it 1:07:45.720 --> 1:07:49.400 kept getting smaller and smaller. And then you will you 1:07:49.520 --> 1:07:52.040 do your own things or your wake up wake up 1:07:52.080 --> 1:07:54.360 one days the Holy ship. There's no company left. No. 1:07:54.480 --> 1:07:56.800 I was doing other stuff. I was like, Um, I 1:07:56.960 --> 1:07:59.880 started working on movies Zoolander, there was the first movie, 1:08:00.080 --> 1:08:03.600 or around with two thousand, two thousand one. Um, I 1:08:03.680 --> 1:08:06.640 did a few record I did a couple records other people. Um, 1:08:08.680 --> 1:08:10.920 you know this is okay. So if the record you produced, 1:08:11.760 --> 1:08:13.440 what are some of the acts you produced other than 1:08:13.480 --> 1:08:17.080 the Crows Jayhawks signed them to the label. A band 1:08:17.120 --> 1:08:19.320 called Freewheelers the time of the label, the record with 1:08:19.400 --> 1:08:25.360 Miriam McKee. Um uh, girl, Tiff Merritt, you know of 1:08:25.880 --> 1:08:27.439 then a bunch of English bands. It's a band called 1:08:27.479 --> 1:08:31.160 Reef did never really happened to have primal scream? Um, 1:08:32.240 --> 1:08:37.960 coolest shaker, Um, my favorite is this guy Dan pen 1:08:38.040 --> 1:08:40.439 you know he is of did a record in ninety 1:08:41.000 --> 1:08:43.920 three or four at Muscle Shoals with the Muscles rhythm section, 1:08:44.360 --> 1:08:45.880 and they were probably in my age. I thought they 1:08:45.880 --> 1:08:47.519 were old man, you know, they're probably the early fifties 1:08:47.880 --> 1:08:50.120 at the time. And that was probably that's that's that 1:08:50.240 --> 1:08:52.680 was one of the things that it was one of 1:08:52.680 --> 1:08:54.479 the best experience and one of the worst experiences that 1:08:54.680 --> 1:08:56.639 it kind of ruined me, you know, I mean it's like, Wow, 1:08:56.720 --> 1:08:59.519 these guys are great, and then I do this record 1:08:59.520 --> 1:09:01.400 for two weeks down and Muscle shoulds. These guys who 1:09:01.400 --> 1:09:03.439 were like amazingly listened to each other that you know 1:09:03.520 --> 1:09:05.600 that And then and I go back, who was It 1:09:05.760 --> 1:09:08.880 was Barry Beckett, David Hood, It was Hood and Roger 1:09:09.280 --> 1:09:17.680 Roger Um uh, Jimmy Johnson guitar, Reggie Young spooner who 1:09:17.760 --> 1:09:21.240 was amazing. Yeah, that was like the core group. Uh. 1:09:21.479 --> 1:09:24.040 And then we cut do Right Women, which is one 1:09:24.080 --> 1:09:26.960 of the most amazing songs I've ever We had eleven 1:09:27.000 --> 1:09:29.280 people playing live at one time were like he Damn's 1:09:29.280 --> 1:09:31.519 playing acous guitar and singing, and two guitar players, had 1:09:31.520 --> 1:09:34.720 the bass drums, had a grand piano, electric piano and 1:09:34.760 --> 1:09:37.880 an organ all one thing, and it's just it's have 1:09:37.920 --> 1:09:41.200 you ever heard it? But it's the slowest, funkiest even 1:09:41.200 --> 1:09:44.040 though it's dead slow, it's just still a groove there. 1:09:44.400 --> 1:09:47.160 You can hear the air and it's like and it's 1:09:47.160 --> 1:09:49.000 the only it's the only time I cried. I'm talking 1:09:49.000 --> 1:09:50.640 about now I might cry again. It's the only time 1:09:50.680 --> 1:09:53.360 I cried at work and how to leave the room. 1:09:53.400 --> 1:09:54.720 I was like, this is just too much because it's 1:09:54.760 --> 1:09:56.840 like these guys all came up together. They were telling 1:09:56.880 --> 1:09:58.560 me the stories like they were teenagers. They didn't know, 1:09:58.920 --> 1:10:00.560 they didn't know what a world exis, didn't making this 1:10:00.600 --> 1:10:03.160 greatest music in the world. Wilson Pickett, reather Franklin, and 1:10:03.200 --> 1:10:05.479 they all come back together to serve this guy Dan, 1:10:05.960 --> 1:10:07.640 who was kind of like the arbor of cool. He 1:10:07.720 --> 1:10:09.680 was a James Dean. He's the first guy to have 1:10:09.720 --> 1:10:12.320 a song recorded by another round can we twitter? He 1:10:12.400 --> 1:10:15.040 recorded like a song. He's just like, he's so badass 1:10:15.120 --> 1:10:17.240 and he's the greatest. That's I love him. If you 1:10:17.320 --> 1:10:19.680 ever get a chance to meet him, he's wonderful. But 1:10:19.920 --> 1:10:23.640 um would they give you any respect? It's funny because um, 1:10:24.400 --> 1:10:28.439 so I get down there, and uh, I got Joe 1:10:28.880 --> 1:10:31.479 John Yqwen. So Joe my Cowen sends me down. He's 1:10:31.479 --> 1:10:33.360 working at Sire at the time. He signs Dan. I'm 1:10:33.360 --> 1:10:35.360 gonna signed Dan. I'm gonna We're gonna do this one off. 1:10:36.520 --> 1:10:38.600 You go meet him. He lives in Nashville. I'm like, 1:10:38.760 --> 1:10:41.760 happy to I got to Nashville. I go meet to Anne. 1:10:41.760 --> 1:10:43.840 How you doing great? I just finished the second Crows record. 1:10:44.240 --> 1:10:47.240 We do a little bit of like little dance kind 1:10:47.240 --> 1:10:49.439 of he has he's great alt text, voice of the theater, 1:10:49.479 --> 1:10:54.599 speakers in the basement, incredible. He's like, he's like, well, 1:10:55.000 --> 1:10:56.599 he plays me what he's been doing, and he plays 1:10:56.600 --> 1:10:58.400 me some demos. Yeah, I don't know. I'm Mackie got 1:10:58.479 --> 1:11:00.320 a mat Like everybody's like, it's so funny down there. 1:11:00.439 --> 1:11:02.200 He wants to just keep moving forward, you know, even 1:11:02.240 --> 1:11:05.160 though and when it was the easiest thing. So you 1:11:05.160 --> 1:11:06.360 play me a couple of cuts. I'm like, oh, he's 1:11:06.360 --> 1:11:07.760 a good I said, you know. They go, well, yeah, 1:11:07.840 --> 1:11:10.120 I gotta play Okay, what have you been doing? So 1:11:10.160 --> 1:11:12.439 I played him I just finished second Crows record. I 1:11:12.479 --> 1:11:15.120 played a couple of songs and I play of, um, 1:11:15.840 --> 1:11:19.000 what's the one my devil My Angel Thorn on my Side. 1:11:19.320 --> 1:11:21.160 That's the best song on the record. So I planned 1:11:21.200 --> 1:11:23.120 that because I like, this is a good sounding at 1:11:23.160 --> 1:11:28.360 least a good more devil my Angel. What the hell 1:11:28.439 --> 1:11:31.000 is this guy talking about? I'm like, I don't know. 1:11:31.080 --> 1:11:33.360 He goes, he goes, he goes, that's I played some 1:11:33.439 --> 1:11:35.080 other thing goes. That's probably the best cut you play me, 1:11:35.200 --> 1:11:37.000 But I just don't know. This is ugly music, man, 1:11:37.120 --> 1:11:39.640 Like I played him like remedies, Like this is just 1:11:39.760 --> 1:11:42.320 ugly music. What else you got? I finished the first 1:11:42.400 --> 1:11:44.519 Jayhawks record. I played the song called Crowded in the Wings, 1:11:44.520 --> 1:11:47.680 which is like a soul ballad like Crank. You know, 1:11:47.760 --> 1:11:51.599 it's like it's got the thing, beautiful melody, beautiful story 1:11:51.640 --> 1:11:55.920 about it, you know, Crowded in the wing, Crowded in 1:11:56.160 --> 1:12:00.479 the wing, What the hell does that mean? I'm like, Oh, 1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:02.120 the guy who's been standing on the side of the 1:12:02.200 --> 1:12:04.880 stage all his life, you know, waiting to get it shot. Yeah, 1:12:04.920 --> 1:12:07.599 I guess, but I don't understand this crowded in the Wing, 1:12:07.720 --> 1:12:09.719 like he just kind of like this is going nowhere. 1:12:09.760 --> 1:12:12.439 He's got a fifty seven Chevy Nomad station way again, 1:12:12.439 --> 1:12:15.200 and like I'm gonna work at up Dan about fifteen 1:12:15.280 --> 1:12:17.240 years now. It's nothing's happening. You can tell. I'm like, 1:12:17.280 --> 1:12:19.519 all right, we have a nice time. I go Damn, 1:12:20.040 --> 1:12:22.800 it's gonna be great. Your record is gonna be great. Um, 1:12:23.640 --> 1:12:26.280 so thanks for seeing me. You can't I can't imagine 1:12:26.280 --> 1:12:29.000 what it's been a thrill um. I'm really excited to 1:12:29.040 --> 1:12:31.479 go to Muscle Souls tomorrow, and I'm like, I'll see you, 1:12:31.520 --> 1:12:33.640 I'll see I'll see you down the road sometimes. What 1:12:33.720 --> 1:12:35.640 do you mean going to most shoals? I said, Dan, 1:12:35.680 --> 1:12:37.120 I don't get to this part of the world very often. 1:12:37.160 --> 1:12:39.680 If I'm three hours from Muscle Souls, I'm going, right, 1:12:39.800 --> 1:12:42.560 you know I'm going. He goes, all right, did you 1:12:42.600 --> 1:12:45.479 ever read Garlics book Sweet Soul Music. It's a must. 1:12:45.920 --> 1:12:48.439 But there's a whole Muscle Soult thing. He goes, all 1:12:48.560 --> 1:12:50.840 I'll tell you what do you come here? You drive, 1:12:51.320 --> 1:12:54.080 but we take my Cadillac. We'll go to Muscle Souls together. 1:12:54.439 --> 1:12:56.679 Like sounds good to me, Bob. So it's like basically 1:12:57.400 --> 1:12:59.640 it's like, uh, Chico and the Man, We're gonna go 1:12:59.880 --> 1:13:01.960 this road trip. You know. It's like green bodn't seeing 1:13:01.960 --> 1:13:03.599 green Book, but imagine like green books. So I got 1:13:03.720 --> 1:13:06.559 him next to me and I start pumping him from 1:13:06.560 --> 1:13:08.880 information even though I know the answers. So how did 1:13:08.920 --> 1:13:10.479 you write this one? And he's like telling me the story. 1:13:10.560 --> 1:13:12.560 You're like, oh, that's great, you know. And by the 1:13:12.640 --> 1:13:15.880 time we hit the gas station for the first refill, 1:13:16.000 --> 1:13:17.880 we stopped and he gets an RC coal and peanuts 1:13:17.960 --> 1:13:19.880 he hands to me. He puts the peanuts in the colt, like, 1:13:20.400 --> 1:13:22.599 because I don't know what about peanuts and co col 1:13:23.000 --> 1:13:25.000 this is going to have a treat sensation with drinking 1:13:25.640 --> 1:13:27.960 Coca cola and peanuts. And he's telling me the stories. 1:13:28.400 --> 1:13:31.120 We pull them to Florence, which is it's Florence Muscial 1:13:31.160 --> 1:13:33.240 Souls and Sheffield. We pull them through the first town 1:13:33.760 --> 1:13:35.840 and there was a on the main drag. There was 1:13:35.840 --> 1:13:37.439 a drug store which they used to write all the 1:13:37.479 --> 1:13:39.840 songs that this guy docks somebody or whatever. I'm like, 1:13:40.200 --> 1:13:41.560 I was at the drugs. He's like, yeah, that's a 1:13:41.640 --> 1:13:43.200 drug store. I wrote more songs. And then I want 1:13:43.240 --> 1:13:44.760 to know we're doing this And we finally get to 1:13:44.960 --> 1:13:50.479 we get to Fame Fame Studios and Dan, what are 1:13:50.479 --> 1:13:52.240 you doing here? As it going? Oh? Well, you know what, 1:13:52.320 --> 1:13:55.080 thinking about maybe cutting a record, like, who's your friend, Oh, 1:13:55.200 --> 1:13:58.479 George Rakolakas you know you know that black he's got 1:13:58.560 --> 1:14:00.920 that Black crows Like, oh yeah, good record? Here he goes, yeah, 1:14:01.160 --> 1:14:04.479 because so you're gonna cut Here's like we haven't decided yet, 1:14:04.520 --> 1:14:05.960 you know, like he's at it all cool again, and 1:14:06.080 --> 1:14:08.680 we had a must the whole sound same thing. We 1:14:08.880 --> 1:14:11.439 drive back and then I started. Then after I could start, 1:14:11.600 --> 1:14:13.920 he tells about the the echo chamber. He starts talking about. 1:14:14.360 --> 1:14:16.360 Then you know, we're inside baseball and so you know, 1:14:16.400 --> 1:14:18.680 I'm getting all the information I dropped on his house. 1:14:18.680 --> 1:14:20.160 I said, Dan, this is the greatest day of my life. 1:14:20.200 --> 1:14:22.720 Thank you so much. I can go. You know, nothing 1:14:22.800 --> 1:14:25.639 else happens to me now I've lived it. Good luck 1:14:25.680 --> 1:14:28.519 with the record. It's gonna be great. He's like, well, George, 1:14:28.560 --> 1:14:30.320 if you can get down there on April. You know 1:14:30.320 --> 1:14:32.639 we're gonna start April seven, and if you can get 1:14:32.680 --> 1:14:37.080 down there, we'll do the record. You know. So I've said, 1:14:37.080 --> 1:14:38.280 how of course I'm gonna be there. We did the 1:14:38.320 --> 1:14:40.240 record like in two weeks. Everything was pretty much live. 1:14:40.280 --> 1:14:41.639 He was he wanted to do all the vocals again. 1:14:41.680 --> 1:14:44.040 But it just didn't work. He's like he he everybody 1:14:44.080 --> 1:14:45.920 wanted to please him so bad. They all were playing 1:14:45.960 --> 1:14:48.960 to him. We cut the record pretty fast. We mixed 1:14:49.000 --> 1:14:53.160 it and um and then he how I knew we 1:14:53.200 --> 1:14:56.599 respected He's that he mastered it in Nashville. He's like, George, 1:14:56.720 --> 1:14:58.439 I think I might have made a mistake. I'm like, 1:14:58.479 --> 1:14:59.880 what do you mean. He goes, I'm gonna send it 1:14:59.920 --> 1:15:01.360 to you. Send him the record and it was all 1:15:01.439 --> 1:15:04.519 squished and like, you have to hear it. I think 1:15:04.560 --> 1:15:07.040 you'll like it. It's called right, it's very open. There's 1:15:07.040 --> 1:15:09.240 a lot of dynamics, so it's a it's a very 1:15:09.280 --> 1:15:11.439 interesting it's an older it's not a young person's record. 1:15:11.520 --> 1:15:13.720 You know. I said, yeah, I think they stuck the 1:15:13.760 --> 1:15:15.920 life out of the record. Dan. He goes, I said, 1:15:15.920 --> 1:15:17.280 why don't you come out here. We'll do it out here. 1:15:17.360 --> 1:15:20.360 So we drove. He drove out here, We cut it here, 1:15:20.400 --> 1:15:21.880 and then it was you know, he he was happy, 1:15:22.360 --> 1:15:24.240 and I remember reading saying that he was just he 1:15:24.360 --> 1:15:28.080 felt that he could perform. He knew that everything was 1:15:28.120 --> 1:15:29.920 really taken care of in the control room. That's how 1:15:30.000 --> 1:15:31.559 I was. I was able to ease his mind I mean, 1:15:31.560 --> 1:15:34.360 I wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna tell them kind of 1:15:34.400 --> 1:15:36.120 what the player had to play. I tried to in 1:15:36.120 --> 1:15:39.439 the beginning we were cutting something. I'm like, okay, great, 1:15:39.520 --> 1:15:43.679 so listen, why don't you uh if he catches that thing, like, George, 1:15:43.720 --> 1:15:45.439 you're gonna give me what you want. You gotta learn 1:15:45.479 --> 1:15:47.840 the song a minute, him a minute. I'm like, all right, cool, cool, cool. 1:15:47.880 --> 1:15:50.519 And this is engineer called Johnny Sandlin, who was the drummers. 1:15:50.960 --> 1:15:54.479 He was a drummer in the Hourglass. Were all brothers. 1:15:55.000 --> 1:15:58.639 And he's he's almost twice the size of me, drinking 1:15:59.520 --> 1:16:02.240 uh a Mason joff of die Pepsi's drinking that all day. 1:16:03.040 --> 1:16:05.920 And so we cut one thing and and David made 1:16:05.920 --> 1:16:08.479 a mistake on the basis and I'm talking to okay, cool, 1:16:08.800 --> 1:16:10.920 all right, second thing, and he's sitting next to me, 1:16:11.000 --> 1:16:12.800 go alright, great, so we can do a second chorus 1:16:12.840 --> 1:16:15.160 on the turnaround in and out okay and then boom baba, 1:16:15.240 --> 1:16:18.800 dude down back in, stay in and then out for 1:16:18.840 --> 1:16:21.000 the thing. Okay, cool, let's do it. I turned you know, 1:16:21.080 --> 1:16:25.320 he goes hear this. I'm sorry, George, I really wasn't 1:16:25.320 --> 1:16:29.960 paying attention. What was that It's the first day and 1:16:29.960 --> 1:16:32.120 I'm like, I'm like, look, man, I'm from New York. 1:16:32.160 --> 1:16:34.640 I eat fast, like I do it all fast, you know, 1:16:34.880 --> 1:16:36.840 like like I gotta slow it down. So I just 1:16:36.960 --> 1:16:39.280 kind of I had to like take the heat off. 1:16:39.360 --> 1:16:40.880 And then I was also a younger kid, you know, 1:16:41.080 --> 1:16:43.360 like so and then once I just kind of let 1:16:43.400 --> 1:16:46.360 it happen. You know, there's a couple of happy accidents. 1:16:46.600 --> 1:16:48.559 There's it's just great. And like I said, and then 1:16:48.640 --> 1:16:50.400 when we cut, like we cut two right, how to 1:16:50.439 --> 1:16:52.559 leave the thing? I came back in and like, well, 1:16:52.640 --> 1:16:53.760 what any think of that? When I said, you guys 1:16:53.800 --> 1:16:55.280 can play that all day and I'll sit here and 1:16:55.360 --> 1:16:57.439 listen to it. You know, So that one was better 1:16:57.439 --> 1:16:58.640 than the other. It was like a matter of just 1:16:58.800 --> 1:17:02.519 like catching the other thing. Was that kind of Also, Hey, Jimmy, 1:17:02.520 --> 1:17:04.519 has it got nice to meet you. He's got like 1:17:04.560 --> 1:17:06.680 a Scheckter guitar and a roll in cor like these 1:17:06.840 --> 1:17:09.559 kind of eighties and things like and then I see this, okay, 1:17:09.640 --> 1:17:11.559 like what's the that's my greatge that's I played only 1:17:11.600 --> 1:17:14.040 reason like does it tun not? Because like yeah, I said, 1:17:14.040 --> 1:17:15.479 should we try to use it? He goes, well, I 1:17:15.520 --> 1:17:17.360 could try, you know, like so like getting into the 1:17:17.439 --> 1:17:20.800 kind of like get back to the more you know what, 1:17:21.120 --> 1:17:23.280 more organic whatever reason, you know, kind of thing where 1:17:23.320 --> 1:17:25.120 the more old school he kind of things, getting the 1:17:25.160 --> 1:17:27.840 telecaster out, getting defender amps out. You know that that 1:17:27.960 --> 1:17:29.840 was like the first day of kind of like pushing 1:17:29.880 --> 1:17:32.719 it in that direction. And it was just this was easy. 1:17:33.160 --> 1:17:35.680 Now did day have like the final product? Loved it? 1:17:35.960 --> 1:17:38.360 You know, I think he really enjoyed it, but ultimately 1:17:38.439 --> 1:17:41.000 the record didn't. It wasn't was it supposed to. It 1:17:41.040 --> 1:17:43.479 wasn't supposed to be a I think it was supposed 1:17:43.479 --> 1:17:45.240 to be like a cachet thing, and he was supposed 1:17:45.240 --> 1:17:46.800 to get out there, and you know, he went out 1:17:46.800 --> 1:17:49.000 and played some shows. He goes him Spooner play every 1:17:49.120 --> 1:17:50.720 now and then if you have you should catch it. 1:17:50.760 --> 1:17:54.519 They do like a two man thing. And then a 1:17:54.640 --> 1:17:56.599 project like that. How much is it cost to make? 1:17:57.240 --> 1:17:59.000 I maybe the whole thing was like fifteen rands of time. 1:17:59.040 --> 1:18:01.240 It really made. But I don't know what they paid him. 1:18:01.400 --> 1:18:03.040 I don't I don't even know what I got paid, 1:18:03.080 --> 1:18:05.920 to be honest. You know, And you worked with Tom Petty, 1:18:06.200 --> 1:18:09.960 work with Tom, so Rick got hired to do Tom's record. 1:18:11.000 --> 1:18:12.880 Well we didn't get hired. They were talking about it 1:18:12.960 --> 1:18:15.560 was the development stage, and he owed a record to 1:18:15.680 --> 1:18:18.280 he owe the greatest hits and a new song to Universal, 1:18:18.600 --> 1:18:20.960 which maybe in the fire and not who knows, but 1:18:20.960 --> 1:18:22.840 I think they kept all their tapes in a different place. 1:18:23.400 --> 1:18:25.960 But he's like, I have to go see Tom petty, 1:18:26.240 --> 1:18:27.800 you gotta come with me kind of a thing because 1:18:28.080 --> 1:18:30.639 he was thinking a little bit scared to be Tom Teddy. 1:18:31.040 --> 1:18:37.160 It's fine, so rick Um, He's like, I really love 1:18:37.240 --> 1:18:40.280 food Move Fever. Like you know, Tom has six seven 1:18:40.320 --> 1:18:42.519 records before with this band, the Heart rerecord. He goes, 1:18:42.840 --> 1:18:45.920 I don't care, Like, well, I think you should listen 1:18:45.920 --> 1:18:47.800 to I'm not gonna listen to him. I mean again, 1:18:47.960 --> 1:18:50.479 knew nothing of Tom's work. It's like, I love he 1:18:50.560 --> 1:18:53.200 loved food Moing Fever. We played that endlessly in the 1:18:53.280 --> 1:18:56.000 car constantly. I like Full Moon Fever. I bet Tom 1:18:56.080 --> 1:18:58.760 likes Full Moon Fever two. So like, I don't know, man, 1:18:58.840 --> 1:19:01.240 you better you did listen to some other stuff. So 1:19:01.880 --> 1:19:03.320 he took me out to the valley and see Tom. 1:19:03.439 --> 1:19:04.720 We go to his house and he was just the 1:19:04.800 --> 1:19:08.600 coolest from from the even meet him any time, the 1:19:08.680 --> 1:19:12.960 greatest from the get go, and um, you know I was. 1:19:13.600 --> 1:19:16.080 I was kind of took a little while too, but 1:19:16.200 --> 1:19:18.439 then you know, it's kind of a I've always been 1:19:18.439 --> 1:19:19.760 a little bit of a wise a and he loved it. 1:19:19.840 --> 1:19:21.360 You know, he's he had a great sense of humor 1:19:21.479 --> 1:19:25.040 and he was so generous. So yeah, I worked with Well, 1:19:25.400 --> 1:19:27.439 so Rick's going in, how do you end up doing 1:19:27.479 --> 1:19:30.160 the record? Well, I wanted to do a record, couple down, 1:19:30.200 --> 1:19:31.840 a couple of records down the road. Rick goes in 1:19:32.000 --> 1:19:35.080 and I'm I'm basically I'm his Ed McMahon. I'm with 1:19:35.200 --> 1:19:37.080 him the whole time. You know, they go every time 1:19:37.120 --> 1:19:39.439 they go to the studio and there, you know, um, 1:19:40.880 --> 1:19:42.840 there's a song called Girl and LSD that I make 1:19:43.040 --> 1:19:45.560 that I kind of kind of nudgement to writing, Like 1:19:45.680 --> 1:19:47.519 he started this thing like, oh you should just finish 1:19:47.560 --> 1:19:50.760 that one, keep going, keep going. Um, and so I'm 1:19:50.800 --> 1:19:53.400 just around, you know. And then when they started they 1:19:53.479 --> 1:19:54.960 took they made it a lie of thing, the greatest 1:19:55.040 --> 1:19:56.720 hits whatever that kind of and they start it's gonna 1:19:56.720 --> 1:19:58.960 be a solo record, and they do most of it 1:19:59.000 --> 1:20:01.160 in my Campbell's house. They cut a couple of things, 1:20:01.240 --> 1:20:04.760 a cello whatever, um, and then I got like I 1:20:04.880 --> 1:20:06.280 was doing another record for a minute, so I had 1:20:06.400 --> 1:20:07.519 like or I was working on something else, so I 1:20:07.520 --> 1:20:09.599 would get there a little later. And they started always 1:20:09.640 --> 1:20:12.760 putting the song wild Flowers on wild Flowers every time 1:20:12.800 --> 1:20:15.000 I pull in. That was whooping me up. And I'm like, 1:20:15.120 --> 1:20:17.680 what why are you guys always like and they were 1:20:17.760 --> 1:20:19.400 kind of punking me like they were just two it 1:20:19.720 --> 1:20:21.559 so they knew. I was like, why isn't this one finished? 1:20:21.640 --> 1:20:23.519 This is done, like, you know, well maybe we should 1:20:23.520 --> 1:20:25.760 add you know, you know that I'd be out there 1:20:25.760 --> 1:20:27.960 playing a click clock thing or I played something on it, 1:20:28.080 --> 1:20:30.960 you know, but um so then yeah, so I stayed 1:20:31.000 --> 1:20:35.240 close to Tom and uh and then he called because 1:20:35.240 --> 1:20:38.439 they did this box set. The box set. Yeah, so 1:20:38.560 --> 1:20:40.240 he called me. He's like, we gotta do this thing, 1:20:40.280 --> 1:20:43.040 and you know, doing this box set when you go 1:20:43.120 --> 1:20:45.759 through my archives and finished what's not you know, finished 1:20:45.760 --> 1:20:47.639 a few things, clean up a few things. And that's 1:20:47.640 --> 1:20:52.680 when I really bonded with him. And then um, he 1:20:52.800 --> 1:20:55.040 was just I think they made another record and he 1:20:55.160 --> 1:20:57.920 was just sitting around and Tony's manager dem was like, 1:20:58.560 --> 1:21:00.640 go go up and see Tom, Like what's going on? 1:21:00.720 --> 1:21:02.599 He goes, he should be making a record. I'm like okay. 1:21:02.680 --> 1:21:04.000 He's like, let's just go out and see Tom. You 1:21:04.000 --> 1:21:05.439 can't tell me. So I would go out to Malibu 1:21:05.520 --> 1:21:07.800 and visit with him, and then you play me, like 1:21:07.920 --> 1:21:09.719 what have you been doing? He's got a couple of songs, 1:21:09.800 --> 1:21:11.639 like play me this one? He played me the last 1:21:11.720 --> 1:21:14.080 DJ the song. I'm like, oh, that's great, and they're 1:21:14.080 --> 1:21:16.360 gonna record. He goes, yeah, I'll get to it whatever 1:21:16.400 --> 1:21:18.400 I said. Well, and I was obsessed with Boom and 1:21:18.439 --> 1:21:19.680 Fever as well. It's like, how did you do those 1:21:19.680 --> 1:21:21.280 things with Jeff? I remember? You tell me? And Mike 1:21:21.400 --> 1:21:24.200 was there like like, well, we would do two guys 1:21:24.200 --> 1:21:26.639 who play the guitar. Then we'd switched guitars, move around, 1:21:26.720 --> 1:21:28.840 and we'd stack them and like why don't we try 1:21:28.880 --> 1:21:30.800 to do that with this one? And then that's that 1:21:30.920 --> 1:21:32.559 was we were off and running. That's what it became. 1:21:33.000 --> 1:21:36.800 Them teaching me how they made the record became making 1:21:36.840 --> 1:21:40.960 the record. Okay, so then how do you switch board 1:21:41.000 --> 1:21:47.040 of movies? Um? So, being out here, all my friends 1:21:47.080 --> 1:21:49.280 are directors mostly now bands break up, you know, it's 1:21:49.320 --> 1:21:52.240 like one guy wants to be a chef. This guy 1:21:52.400 --> 1:21:53.880 you know, this band breaks up. They hate each other. 1:21:54.479 --> 1:21:56.280 And Ben Stiller, who I knew just from being in 1:21:56.360 --> 1:21:58.320 kind of you know out here in l A. He's like, 1:21:58.360 --> 1:22:00.840 I'm making this movie, you should do music. Like what 1:22:00.840 --> 1:22:02.680 does that even mean? He goes, You'll figure it out. 1:22:02.680 --> 1:22:05.160 I'm like, all right, so I just you hired me 1:22:05.160 --> 1:22:07.200 to do the music for this movie zoo Lander. I 1:22:07.240 --> 1:22:09.479 had no idea what I was doing. And it was 1:22:09.520 --> 1:22:12.280 a comedy. I want to make it funny. And we 1:22:12.439 --> 1:22:13.920 put some song and he loved it. We had a 1:22:13.920 --> 1:22:16.599 great men The first thing they had this remember zoo Lander, 1:22:16.640 --> 1:22:20.679 they have the walk off and so they're an editorial 1:22:20.760 --> 1:22:23.320 and I send them beat It by Michael Jackson because 1:22:23.320 --> 1:22:25.920 it's funny and it's you know, it's referenced whatever and ever. 1:22:26.280 --> 1:22:29.000 This is great, so great, thanks, this is great, keep going, 1:22:29.040 --> 1:22:30.320 you know whatever. And I got a call from the 1:22:30.360 --> 1:22:33.800 studio did you get them beat It? And like yeah, why? 1:22:33.880 --> 1:22:36.599 He goes, do you know what? I go no idea. 1:22:36.680 --> 1:22:39.840 Why it's gonna be expensive? Like, well you can't have 1:22:39.880 --> 1:22:42.880 blah blah blah, said is it funny? You know? I'm like, well, 1:22:42.920 --> 1:22:45.080 then it's worth x amount of whatever it is. If 1:22:45.120 --> 1:22:47.439 it's funny, it's funny, you know, it's it's worth it, right, 1:22:47.920 --> 1:22:50.040 And like I'm like, well, if you think it's a problem, 1:22:50.120 --> 1:22:52.680 maybe you guys, you know, maybe I'll tell Ben you 1:22:52.720 --> 1:22:56.280 guys think it. Oh no, no, it's fine, it's fine, 1:22:56.360 --> 1:22:58.160 just don't do it again. And then the next thing 1:22:58.280 --> 1:23:01.640 there was like was call me like you know that 1:23:01.720 --> 1:23:03.320 just completely stuff and that I thought would make us 1:23:03.400 --> 1:23:05.560 laugh and have fun, you know, And that was that 1:23:05.640 --> 1:23:07.000 was the beginning of it. And I've worked on all 1:23:07.080 --> 1:23:13.080 his movies since. Okay, so what's your we look like 1:23:13.320 --> 1:23:17.519 these days? I who knows, you know, Like like right now, 1:23:17.520 --> 1:23:20.840 I'm working on a Nike commercial and it's changed directions 1:23:20.960 --> 1:23:22.880 eight times. You know. I've been in the studio working 1:23:22.880 --> 1:23:25.000 on pieces this and it's a minute spot and who 1:23:25.080 --> 1:23:29.200 knows what's going to be um um. I'm working on 1:23:29.280 --> 1:23:33.160 a couple of TV shows that are interesting. It's a 1:23:33.160 --> 1:23:36.240 little remote because they're shooting in Canada. A lot of 1:23:36.280 --> 1:23:39.320 it's done in posts. So I'll start seeing it. Excuse me, 1:23:39.360 --> 1:23:43.040 I've seen a few episodes. Is I'll get up, have 1:23:43.160 --> 1:23:44.880 breakfast and which way for the phone calls? You know? 1:23:45.280 --> 1:23:48.280 I start making calls or whatever. Is okay, So if 1:23:48.320 --> 1:23:50.439 you're working on a Nike commercial, what exactly are you 1:23:50.600 --> 1:23:54.360 doing creating the music for this spot? Okay? So they're 1:23:54.360 --> 1:23:58.960 not licensing something, so you're creating it from scratch. How 1:23:59.040 --> 1:24:02.880 do you do that? Um? Well, it's again this things. 1:24:04.120 --> 1:24:06.200 This is kind of boring, but it became It was 1:24:06.240 --> 1:24:07.800 supposed to be one thing in it turns of another. 1:24:07.800 --> 1:24:10.240 It supposed to be a girl drummer playing live and 1:24:10.280 --> 1:24:13.639 this guy called the v digs, who is um so okay, 1:24:13.720 --> 1:24:16.280 so the video has people playing in it. That was 1:24:16.360 --> 1:24:18.479 the idea. They're gonna shoot. They're gonna shoot this girl 1:24:18.600 --> 1:24:20.560 drummer and this guy kind of it's gonna be a 1:24:20.560 --> 1:24:23.479 conversation between the drums and the and the vocalist and 1:24:23.600 --> 1:24:26.519 with with clips from sports. It's the fourth of July spot. 1:24:27.200 --> 1:24:29.479 And then it just kept changing until like, all right, 1:24:29.479 --> 1:24:31.200 we're gonna use her, but we're not. We're gonna do 1:24:31.240 --> 1:24:32.680 it live, but we're not gonna do that. We want 1:24:32.760 --> 1:24:34.639 we do want music. We don't want to drum beat. 1:24:34.640 --> 1:24:36.200 There's like, well, we'll just do a breakbeat and we'll 1:24:36.240 --> 1:24:40.680 do something. So it's just they really put it through 1:24:40.720 --> 1:24:44.120 the okay, though they have money, that's one thing, unlike music, 1:24:44.840 --> 1:24:46.640 but they don't want to pay and nobody wants to 1:24:46.640 --> 1:24:48.880 pay anything. That's other thing. It's it's so funny as 1:24:49.760 --> 1:24:53.280 I am not complaining, but I make much less on 1:24:53.320 --> 1:24:54.920 a movie now than I did when I first started 1:24:55.680 --> 1:24:59.479 um and nobody wants to pay for anything. And what 1:24:59.600 --> 1:25:03.519 happened was in order to get these movies made, this 1:25:03.600 --> 1:25:05.080 is the first thing they do is they slice the 1:25:05.240 --> 1:25:07.519 music budget and then it's like, we'll figure it out. 1:25:07.560 --> 1:25:08.920 And then you get to the part we're supposed to 1:25:08.920 --> 1:25:11.880 figure it out, it's like we want led zeppelind Well 1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:14.599 guess what you you you you threw that away when 1:25:14.640 --> 1:25:16.360 you you know, kind of a thing. So it's that's 1:25:16.400 --> 1:25:17.680 the one thing that's that's that's a kind of a 1:25:17.760 --> 1:25:21.479 drag is talking about like talking about money. It's boring. 1:25:21.600 --> 1:25:23.960 It's just sport. It's like, we want this, but we 1:25:23.960 --> 1:25:26.680 can't afford it. Every every conversation I get is hey man, 1:25:26.760 --> 1:25:28.160 can you working to say? We really don't have any 1:25:28.160 --> 1:25:29.880 It's like that's that's every no matter what it is, 1:25:30.160 --> 1:25:31.519 come make my record. I don't have any money to 1:25:31.560 --> 1:25:33.400 do this. I don't have money, so it's just what 1:25:33.479 --> 1:25:37.000 do you think accounts for that. I think people don't 1:25:37.439 --> 1:25:39.599 value music at the end of the day. I think 1:25:39.640 --> 1:25:43.000 it's been devalued. Well, let's say you're you're working on 1:25:43.080 --> 1:25:45.000 a movie. They just figure they can get it from 1:25:45.040 --> 1:25:47.839 somewhere else or something else is good or what. It depends. 1:25:48.200 --> 1:25:51.439 That's why I like to work with a good like events. Eventually, 1:25:51.920 --> 1:25:53.680 if you stand your ground, you'll get what you know, 1:25:54.160 --> 1:25:56.280 you'll get you want. And that's not to say that 1:25:56.360 --> 1:25:58.519 I haven't worked on small movies with but we still 1:25:58.600 --> 1:26:01.000 wind up getting it. We get the other people to comitulate, 1:26:01.120 --> 1:26:02.800 you know. You say, hey, this is a special kind 1:26:02.840 --> 1:26:04.840 of movie, and everybody's doing it for this, you know, 1:26:05.000 --> 1:26:07.080 So that's all we have, you know. So it's just 1:26:07.280 --> 1:26:11.720 different levels of it. Okay, So you say, okay, you 1:26:11.840 --> 1:26:15.040 wake up, you're receiving phone calls, You're making phone calls. 1:26:15.200 --> 1:26:19.840 Are you working it? Working in looking for gigs? I 1:26:19.920 --> 1:26:22.720 don't really do that. Okay, So let's say your phone call, 1:26:22.920 --> 1:26:25.280 let's just say the Nike commercial. So you've got a 1:26:25.320 --> 1:26:28.759 certain number of calls from that. Will your other calls 1:26:28.960 --> 1:26:31.479 be about the Nike commercial? Or there are certain people 1:26:31.479 --> 1:26:34.080 you check in with it on a regular basis. My 1:26:34.200 --> 1:26:36.280 friends and people, you know, like people that are in 1:26:36.400 --> 1:26:39.160 music or film. People will talk talk every day, but 1:26:39.840 --> 1:26:42.080 like the any there's a movie being finished now, this 1:26:42.200 --> 1:26:45.200 Joker movie that Todd Phillips directed, I'll go to the 1:26:45.240 --> 1:26:48.800 I'll go after this. I'll probably go to the sounds 1:26:48.840 --> 1:26:50.720 that they started mixing. So I'll go and listen to 1:26:50.840 --> 1:26:52.960 what they're doing. And but you didn't work on it, 1:26:53.120 --> 1:26:55.719 yeah you did. Think it's been along, it's been in progress. 1:26:55.760 --> 1:26:58.160 You know, it's went out the end. So the stuff 1:26:58.200 --> 1:27:00.800 has been the score has been recorded, the music has 1:27:00.840 --> 1:27:03.519 been picked. It's just a matter of mixing it for 1:27:03.600 --> 1:27:05.559 the final for you know, they do it in reels, 1:27:05.600 --> 1:27:07.720 you know, they makes it really so I'll go check 1:27:07.800 --> 1:27:11.479 that out. Um I just got another episode of the 1:27:11.520 --> 1:27:13.400 TV show. I'll watch that and see what's in there, 1:27:13.439 --> 1:27:17.200 what they need. Um uh no, I do know the 1:27:17.240 --> 1:27:19.439 No Bound Back movie. We're doing a soundtrack. We're doing 1:27:19.479 --> 1:27:24.519 a four you got divorce ones, right, you'll love this one. 1:27:24.800 --> 1:27:27.880 The new one is it's brutal. I'm not to and 1:27:27.920 --> 1:27:29.960 I had to leave the it was like it's incredible, 1:27:30.000 --> 1:27:34.080 it's really This new one is great. Um So we're 1:27:34.120 --> 1:27:36.200 doing a record for that. We're also doing ahead of it. 1:27:36.200 --> 1:27:39.040 We're doing a forty five vinyl like special. Brandy Newman 1:27:39.080 --> 1:27:42.160 did the score. That was amazing working with Randy Newman. UM, 1:27:42.720 --> 1:27:44.720 So I'll make a call about that. It's got the 1:27:44.760 --> 1:27:50.320 mastering from that, I'll checking on the artwork. UM. Let 1:27:50.360 --> 1:27:52.920 me ask you to what degree are you busy with 1:27:53.160 --> 1:27:56.519 work in a regular week. It's always something, you know. 1:27:57.200 --> 1:27:59.479 I'm trying to say. It's seven o'clock at night, eight 1:27:59.560 --> 1:28:02.200 o'clock at night, you're parking yourself in front of HBO, 1:28:02.360 --> 1:28:05.320 or you still work. I'm watching The Eleventh Hour with 1:28:05.400 --> 1:28:09.040 Brian Williams, having dinner in my underwear out of a bowl. 1:28:09.120 --> 1:28:11.160 Probably I don't go as now as much, that's sure, 1:28:11.280 --> 1:28:14.200 and and just I'll be I'll maybe listen to music 1:28:14.360 --> 1:28:18.200 after I've had the time. Okay, are you not going 1:28:18.280 --> 1:28:20.200 out as much because there's not as much to hear 1:28:20.320 --> 1:28:23.040 or because you think it's a function of your age 1:28:23.200 --> 1:28:25.479 where you are little? Both? I think, I mean, how 1:28:25.560 --> 1:28:26.640 much is I don't know if there's much of a 1:28:26.720 --> 1:28:28.439 scene right now. I don't think there is either. But 1:28:28.680 --> 1:28:30.880 you know, I discussed this with a lot of people okay, 1:28:30.960 --> 1:28:34.320 so you're heavily into the political thing. It's it's it's weird. 1:28:34.360 --> 1:28:36.000 It's kind of ruined my life. It's all t I 1:28:36.040 --> 1:28:39.360 mean totally, it's it's it's you know. I just remember, 1:28:39.479 --> 1:28:41.880 like just after Trump got elected, I was with you know, 1:28:42.000 --> 1:28:44.320 people who run the live business. They don't want to 1:28:44.360 --> 1:28:47.080 talk about music. They wanted to talk about politics. It'sact 1:28:47.080 --> 1:28:50.160 I don't even care about. It's just it's just so whatever, 1:28:50.360 --> 1:28:52.400 he's terrible. I don't know. Maybe. I mean, I'm sure 1:28:52.400 --> 1:28:54.639 all you listening to Sneak easterile so we're not again. 1:28:54.720 --> 1:28:57.040 But it's just it's this thing you can't turn away from. 1:28:57.040 --> 1:28:59.040 It's worse than a car wreck. You know. It's funny. 1:28:59.040 --> 1:29:02.720 I went, I went especially. I made a record in 1:29:02.840 --> 1:29:06.760 England during the election, specifically want to be out of 1:29:06.800 --> 1:29:09.400 the country. I voted earlier. I was about I went 1:29:09.439 --> 1:29:13.040 to bed over there Hillary Clinton's head great, no problem. 1:29:13.200 --> 1:29:14.280 I get up in the middle night to go to 1:29:14.320 --> 1:29:16.439 the bathroom. I'm like, it's gonna check in. You know. 1:29:16.479 --> 1:29:18.240 It's like four in the morning now and five in 1:29:18.280 --> 1:29:22.240 the morning there, and I see it. I'm like, this 1:29:22.439 --> 1:29:24.560 is not good. You know, It's like, oh, God, and 1:29:24.600 --> 1:29:26.320 I'm like, well, how bad it be? And it's worse, 1:29:26.360 --> 1:29:28.439 and I think anybody thought, and you wake up every 1:29:28.520 --> 1:29:30.920 morning it's like what do this asshole say? Oh? God? 1:29:31.320 --> 1:29:32.720 And now you're addicted to it and I don't know 1:29:32.720 --> 1:29:34.439 if it's making me feel better or worse, but like 1:29:34.800 --> 1:29:37.240 if I do love, I love Nicole Wallace, I love 1:29:37.320 --> 1:29:40.040 Chris Matthews, you know, and I love Brian That. Those 1:29:40.080 --> 1:29:44.160 are probably three shows I want or listen listen to. No, 1:29:44.439 --> 1:29:46.760 it's too it's I don't. It's too exhausting. I don't 1:29:46.760 --> 1:29:48.439 know what the hell she's talking about. It takes too 1:29:48.479 --> 1:29:51.000 longer to get to the point, you know. I love 1:29:51.439 --> 1:29:52.920 I love all the reports like it's so funny. I 1:29:52.960 --> 1:29:55.960 love all the reporters. Now I love Ashley Parker a 1:29:56.080 --> 1:30:00.920 big crush. Uh uh, Casey, you know what's the case? 1:30:01.080 --> 1:30:03.200 All the I just it's okay, do you check out 1:30:03.280 --> 1:30:06.479 the competition. I'll watch Fox for a few minutes and 1:30:06.560 --> 1:30:08.760 then I'm just like, I feel like you're taking crazy pills, 1:30:08.840 --> 1:30:12.960 you know. I mean, it's just Hannay's evil. I think 1:30:13.000 --> 1:30:16.040 it just doesn't like And I started thinking like, well, 1:30:16.080 --> 1:30:18.360 maybe am I wrong? Am I can No? No, no, no, 1:30:18.760 --> 1:30:21.000 I waxed away. I check in on the satellite. You know, 1:30:21.040 --> 1:30:23.400 I'm serious. You can listen to all those stations on 1:30:23.520 --> 1:30:26.200 a regular basis. Is there any hope for music impacting 1:30:26.240 --> 1:30:29.400 the political scene? I don't think so, then why not? 1:30:30.479 --> 1:30:32.280 I just don't think people are gonna rally behind the 1:30:32.360 --> 1:30:34.680 song on the way they used to do. Do you 1:30:35.000 --> 1:30:37.360 mean no, I don't, but I have many Differently, when 1:30:37.360 --> 1:30:40.200 we went through the Iraq War, music had a chance. 1:30:40.320 --> 1:30:43.360 I think the main problem now, which people this is, 1:30:43.439 --> 1:30:45.160 you know, there's a lot of stuff in the entertainment 1:30:45.240 --> 1:30:49.200 business that people in it I don't want to admit. Okay, 1:30:49.360 --> 1:30:50.720 It's like, if you look at the chart, they say 1:30:50.760 --> 1:30:53.000 how big. This first came up to with Randy Phillips 1:30:53.080 --> 1:30:55.599 was running a g and he was going on about 1:30:55.720 --> 1:30:58.639 jay z uh you know, New York state of mind. 1:30:59.000 --> 1:31:01.400 You know what I said, that doesn't mean ship in 1:31:01.680 --> 1:31:03.840 l A, you know. And then they're not even playing it. 1:31:04.479 --> 1:31:06.280 So now you have the I don't want to even 1:31:06.439 --> 1:31:09.240 judge these records, but the biggest records they don't have 1:31:09.360 --> 1:31:12.800 the mind share of the sixties or the MTV era, 1:31:13.240 --> 1:31:16.000 So unless and the type of music they're making is 1:31:16.080 --> 1:31:18.640 not universal. I mean, this is what I find fascinating. 1:31:19.040 --> 1:31:21.280 The last album wasn't that good, But the only person 1:31:21.360 --> 1:31:25.479 with universality was Adell. Okay, but no one else is 1:31:25.520 --> 1:31:28.680 making those records. This is a big leg Why did 1:31:28.800 --> 1:31:32.040 somebody else go there? She'd be on you know, she'd 1:31:32.040 --> 1:31:34.599 be on the cabin and she'd be on those kind 1:31:34.600 --> 1:31:37.320 of if we had variety shows, she'd be like, it'll 1:31:37.320 --> 1:31:39.160 be one of those things, and everybody was Your mother 1:31:39.200 --> 1:31:40.960 would see it, your grandmother and say, you'd see it. 1:31:41.080 --> 1:31:43.840 It's I think there's the the part of everything being 1:31:44.160 --> 1:31:47.360 just poured out. Now there's no focus, you know, so 1:31:47.960 --> 1:31:56.160 it's hard to break through. I guess to what did 1:31:56.200 --> 1:31:58.560 we are you watching other than for work? To what 1:31:58.880 --> 1:32:02.439 you're watching? Television movies? So the HBO stuff, Game of Thrones, 1:32:02.520 --> 1:32:08.000 you know, the euphoria. Not really loved Saul, Better Call 1:32:08.040 --> 1:32:11.599 Saul right fast? I love it. I like, I would 1:32:11.720 --> 1:32:14.479 rather watch Better Call saulve than Breaking Bad. It's a 1:32:14.479 --> 1:32:16.519 slower burner. It's like a real weird it's like a 1:32:16.760 --> 1:32:19.880 weird energy and and Mike's great. I mean, all the 1:32:20.200 --> 1:32:23.960 all the perfulent people are really interesting. Um. Yeah, I'm 1:32:23.960 --> 1:32:27.439 watching some TV you know that not my wife likes Maizel. 1:32:27.479 --> 1:32:29.880 I haven't really sat down with that. First season was better, 1:32:29.960 --> 1:32:32.320 but there's an episode in the cat Skills in the 1:32:32.400 --> 1:32:37.559 second that's fantastic. Um Uh, you know we have every channel. 1:32:37.600 --> 1:32:40.880 We have HBO, Netflix, Just to be clear, because I 1:32:41.320 --> 1:32:42.800 used to believe. I remember I was reading the Only 1:32:42.920 --> 1:32:45.559 Times once and it was some you know, Live aid 1:32:45.680 --> 1:32:47.640 or something, and the critic they said, I don't have 1:32:47.760 --> 1:32:50.560 that channel. So you know, this is your business. So 1:32:50.680 --> 1:32:53.799 I made a big deal about always having every channel. 1:32:54.640 --> 1:32:57.519 And you know, so you have the Amazon, you have everything. 1:32:57.840 --> 1:33:01.320 Someone says Hulu, Okay, I had a free subscription to watch, 1:33:01.360 --> 1:33:03.960 to show whatever. But it's almost like an insult. It's 1:33:04.000 --> 1:33:08.400 not the ten dollars a month, but it's like it's 1:33:08.439 --> 1:33:13.400 like death by Ducks. I don't have Spotify. I have 1:33:13.479 --> 1:33:16.360 a family plan. I think the I think the iPhone thing, 1:33:16.640 --> 1:33:18.960 the Apple whatever, the Apple Music, I think it's terrible. 1:33:19.280 --> 1:33:21.160 The interface is just okay, just a little. Why do 1:33:21.240 --> 1:33:23.400 you think Apple Music is terrible? I don't understand. Do 1:33:23.439 --> 1:33:25.000 I own this? Am I listening to it? Am I 1:33:25.080 --> 1:33:27.200 looking for? Is it a radio? I couldn't agree more. 1:33:27.240 --> 1:33:29.639 I mean, this is this is this is where they left. 1:33:29.920 --> 1:33:32.919 I mean, I have all the services. And the interesting 1:33:33.080 --> 1:33:36.080 thing about Amazon is two things. One you can use 1:33:36.120 --> 1:33:39.400 Alex on your phone and too. They say they create 1:33:39.479 --> 1:33:42.479 the playlist on the fly. However, I don't find there 1:33:42.479 --> 1:33:45.600 are too many revelations there. These are I like for 1:33:45.680 --> 1:33:50.519 the high quality. Okay, these are early. They keep changing 1:33:50.520 --> 1:33:53.040 the high quality name, but it's HQ. If you have title, 1:33:53.520 --> 1:33:56.800 they're using that new Uh you know what is it? 1:33:56.920 --> 1:34:04.519 The new high level m Q and q A. Ostening depends. Okay, 1:34:05.360 --> 1:34:08.160 So I have these really good gentle x that they 1:34:08.240 --> 1:34:10.360 sent me. I mean, I get the big rig there 1:34:10.400 --> 1:34:13.360 too that I can run via Sonos. You're you're listening 1:34:13.400 --> 1:34:16.240 at home. But if I'm listening at home, if I'm listening, 1:34:17.240 --> 1:34:19.599 I don't do a lot of hiking. Okay at night 1:34:20.200 --> 1:34:25.040 and I'm listening on my I don't want to give 1:34:25.040 --> 1:34:27.560 anything away because now I'll be killed. But where I 1:34:27.680 --> 1:34:32.040 normally hiked the about fifteen years ago, we were talking, 1:34:32.040 --> 1:34:34.280 we knew the rangers, and he ever any crime here 1:34:34.280 --> 1:34:37.519 and he goes just boyfriend and girlfriend once and where 1:34:37.600 --> 1:34:40.839 I am listen every case. It's really weird because occasionally 1:34:40.880 --> 1:34:43.759 when it's really fucking hot, like over a hundred degrees. 1:34:43.800 --> 1:34:46.280 I've had a couple of experiences with a homeless people 1:34:46.680 --> 1:34:49.799 all right, start climbing up and they're on the trail, 1:34:49.880 --> 1:34:53.160 and it's like this is weird. Okay, but but that's 1:34:53.200 --> 1:35:00.280 when I listen. Okay, I listened sendaiserst never gonna listen 1:35:00.360 --> 1:35:03.799 to beats. I had a pair of Bluetooth sand Heisers. 1:35:03.800 --> 1:35:06.840 It also be the magnets went out and I just 1:35:07.000 --> 1:35:09.120 threw them away. I had for like six years. But 1:35:09.840 --> 1:35:12.320 the Bluetooth sound is just not as good. Yeah, I 1:35:12.439 --> 1:35:17.519 heard these um ribbon headphones someone's making. Okay, that's for 1:35:17.600 --> 1:35:20.960 the home though, Yeah, I mean for the home I got. 1:35:21.360 --> 1:35:24.080 They just updated them. But I have the Senderiser HD 1:35:24.200 --> 1:35:26.559 eight hundreds, which you know they said we're the best. 1:35:27.160 --> 1:35:29.760 I've got some odd disease which having a unique sound. 1:35:29.800 --> 1:35:31.599 I got two pairs of those. I think those are great. 1:35:32.479 --> 1:35:34.280 I mean what I listened to, it's it's I mean, 1:35:34.320 --> 1:35:37.120 I have got an A D system. I got some 1:35:37.680 --> 1:35:41.520 old j b L. I haven't an A D integrated. 1:35:41.600 --> 1:35:42.920 I got the old j b L S two, but 1:35:42.960 --> 1:35:46.479 I got another set of speakers because keep it honest. 1:35:46.760 --> 1:35:48.200 But when I listened to most I have this like 1:35:48.520 --> 1:35:53.080 audio engine, Bluetooth player and just you know, I just 1:35:54.240 --> 1:35:56.519 take a little take a little j B L flip whatever. 1:35:57.280 --> 1:35:58.840 It's just it's odd, you know, because I don't want 1:35:58.840 --> 1:36:00.920 to try not listen on the puter, at least listen 1:36:01.200 --> 1:36:03.599 off the computer. But most people just I almost brought 1:36:03.640 --> 1:36:06.320 those audio engranes. How are they cool? It looks cool, 1:36:06.400 --> 1:36:08.760 it sounds good, it's good, it sounds pretty solid. You know, 1:36:09.040 --> 1:36:10.840 how about how how expensive of the ones who watch 1:36:10.840 --> 1:36:12.360 your bucks? I don't know. So it was a gift, 1:36:12.400 --> 1:36:14.360 I think. And then uh and I'll just you know, 1:36:14.439 --> 1:36:17.560 I'll be in the shower, turn on whatever. And I like. 1:36:17.720 --> 1:36:21.040 I like the convenience of this. I think I don't 1:36:21.080 --> 1:36:22.759 think people know what a good record sounds like anymore. 1:36:22.800 --> 1:36:25.880 So he's pointing to the phone from the phone, but 1:36:26.040 --> 1:36:27.679 I don't think people know what a good record really 1:36:27.680 --> 1:36:29.320 sounds like anymore. It doesn't I don't thin get that 1:36:29.439 --> 1:36:31.720 matters it. I don't think it's you wouldn't know. And 1:36:31.800 --> 1:36:33.360 if you did, if you had a really good like 1:36:33.400 --> 1:36:35.479 say Dampen record, if you listen to Dampai record at 1:36:35.520 --> 1:36:39.400 home and you're teenager, you keep reaching for the volume 1:36:39.439 --> 1:36:42.720 button and down wait because it has dynamics, you know, 1:36:42.840 --> 1:36:45.920 nothing really, and where are you on the vinyl thing? 1:36:47.280 --> 1:36:49.040 I got a bunch of it, I know, listen to it, 1:36:49.320 --> 1:36:50.960 to be honest, you know, I got it. I got 1:36:51.040 --> 1:36:54.160 all my vinyl, and I got a couple of turntables. 1:36:54.200 --> 1:36:56.240 They're right there. I rarely listened to it. But the 1:36:56.280 --> 1:36:58.240 reason you're bringing up, you know, I don't I think 1:36:58.400 --> 1:37:02.519 unless you were cutting logue, it makes no sense to me. 1:37:03.000 --> 1:37:05.800 But if it was an analog original master, but I 1:37:05.920 --> 1:37:08.200 remember a c d C the original c D which 1:37:08.280 --> 1:37:11.920 was pretty good, and the second CD on Epic really good, 1:37:12.360 --> 1:37:14.720 and I got a lot of power. You know, you 1:37:14.800 --> 1:37:18.000 can't turn it up halfway and if you creep cranking 1:37:18.080 --> 1:37:20.920 the c D your ears bleed, but you crate the 1:37:21.120 --> 1:37:23.840 vinal you can feel it like the show. But I mean, 1:37:23.920 --> 1:37:26.280 I'm really I think it's like the whole final thing 1:37:26.400 --> 1:37:30.519 is like Civil War reenactment. I don't get it whatsoever. Well, 1:37:30.560 --> 1:37:32.160 they said c D are back. Did you see that 1:37:32.520 --> 1:37:37.080 they take a censer back. It's like really crazy because uh, 1:37:37.640 --> 1:37:39.560 you know, I've gotten rid of a you know, I 1:37:39.680 --> 1:37:42.320 had you know, a ten thousand of d C d s. 1:37:42.760 --> 1:37:45.040 A lot of them were you know, CD singles that 1:37:45.120 --> 1:37:47.880 never made it. But I have probably two or three 1:37:47.960 --> 1:37:53.160 thousand CDs left, and yeah, so do you. I mean 1:37:53.240 --> 1:37:56.360 the vinals worth something. The c ds you keep owning 1:37:56.439 --> 1:37:59.800 them or you just throw them away, you know, I have. 1:38:00.040 --> 1:38:01.960 I haven't bought one in a long time. But I 1:38:02.080 --> 1:38:04.719 think that's also why I'm not as connected it sounds, 1:38:05.000 --> 1:38:07.479 but not as it sounds important to me these new 1:38:07.520 --> 1:38:09.000 things that come down the pike, because I don't really 1:38:09.040 --> 1:38:10.800 have the same relationship. You know, I'm not holding in 1:38:10.920 --> 1:38:13.120 my hand. I'm not reading about it. I'm not I'm 1:38:13.160 --> 1:38:16.160 not well. The difference was when we had to buy 1:38:16.240 --> 1:38:17.799 it and I don't want to. You know, the future 1:38:17.880 --> 1:38:20.240 is here. It's like those guys in Nashville is that 1:38:20.880 --> 1:38:23.400 you couldn't afford everything, and if you bought it, you 1:38:23.600 --> 1:38:26.360 played it to death. Man. That's true. Whereas now you know, 1:38:27.040 --> 1:38:29.000 i'll hear something he goes, oh, you know, that's kind 1:38:29.000 --> 1:38:33.360 of good, But unless it's revelatory, I'm onto the next thing. Yeah. 1:38:33.600 --> 1:38:34.960 As like I said, they only have you don't have. 1:38:35.000 --> 1:38:37.040 You don't have a tactile relationship with it, so it's 1:38:37.040 --> 1:38:38.720 not it's not as important, you know. But as I say, 1:38:38.720 --> 1:38:40.760 I'm dealing with some of this now, you know, trying 1:38:40.800 --> 1:38:42.560 to get rid of some stuff to to move to 1:38:42.600 --> 1:38:47.439 another location. And on one hand, I could throw out everything. 1:38:47.880 --> 1:38:51.599 You're of that age. I just wish everything was virtual. 1:38:52.200 --> 1:38:55.400 It's like, okay, the DVD the DVDs you haven't watched, 1:38:55.479 --> 1:38:58.639 so that's plex plex. You can load stuff off the plex. 1:38:59.640 --> 1:39:02.720 What's les. I got a friend I want his name, 1:39:02.800 --> 1:39:07.720 is obsessed with plex. It's um, it's a service. It's 1:39:07.760 --> 1:39:11.559 like your own. When you talking about a home only, 1:39:11.800 --> 1:39:14.439 are you talking about the cloud? It's home only? But yeah, 1:39:14.439 --> 1:39:16.599 I know it's it's it's it's your own server. Yeah, yeah, 1:39:17.040 --> 1:39:19.719 of course. I mean there's a number of companies wherever 1:39:19.760 --> 1:39:22.880 you wanted. So he's at about ten tho movies on there. 1:39:23.439 --> 1:39:27.640 He's just Adam and Costello, shorts, Laurel and Hardy, uh 1:39:27.960 --> 1:39:31.120 you know, uh, some buddies. You know. That's the problem 1:39:31.200 --> 1:39:33.040 I have. And I don't know. I don't know what 1:39:33.080 --> 1:39:35.560 would be like a teenager risk you have. I have 1:39:35.720 --> 1:39:39.160 no time. It's like I used to enjoy alphabetizing my 1:39:39.280 --> 1:39:42.720 albums whatever, and it's like, you know the amount of 1:39:42.760 --> 1:39:46.640 time you never I'm busy seven. I'm not complaining about it, 1:39:47.320 --> 1:39:51.439 but I just wanted to be able to on demand, okay, 1:39:51.439 --> 1:39:53.400 because like you know, I'm sitting there with like twenty 1:39:53.479 --> 1:39:58.200 DVDs sub documentaries and I say, okay, well I can 1:39:58.360 --> 1:40:02.200 only play this at because otherwise computers don't have a 1:40:02.280 --> 1:40:05.240 DVD player. And I know the problem is they go 1:40:05.400 --> 1:40:08.200 from service to service. If I knew they were a 1:40:08.320 --> 1:40:11.000 hundred percent available, I would toss something. But then of 1:40:11.080 --> 1:40:12.880 course there's an other thing. Well how many years have 1:40:12.960 --> 1:40:17.720 I owned this and not watched it? I mean, Jim 1:40:17.760 --> 1:40:20.439 Garrett know he blew everything out, which I can't imagine, 1:40:20.520 --> 1:40:23.240 because you know there's certain ship that is never going 1:40:23.280 --> 1:40:25.800 to hit the services. But the thing you learned, like 1:40:25.880 --> 1:40:28.439 when this thing with the Universal fire, you don't have 1:40:28.560 --> 1:40:30.960 a hard copy of something something some day maybe gone, 1:40:31.040 --> 1:40:35.280 you know, may not be may not exist anymore. What 1:40:35.479 --> 1:40:40.680 what did we learn during the Napster era? Somebody it's 1:40:40.720 --> 1:40:43.679 like eBay when it's occasionally and I'm afraid of throwing 1:40:43.720 --> 1:40:46.559 out and somebody said, you go on eBay. Everything you're 1:40:46.600 --> 1:40:49.559 looking for somebody is selling it. And the other thing 1:40:49.640 --> 1:40:51.679 what we know in the fire, which is a tragedy. 1:40:51.960 --> 1:40:55.519 Those are all the masters. The music itself is never 1:40:55.560 --> 1:40:58.880 gonna disappear. How many steps from the real thing is 1:40:58.960 --> 1:41:02.720 something else? That's true? Oh yeah, But but just making 1:41:02.760 --> 1:41:06.280 records for example, Now, so I make a record and 1:41:06.400 --> 1:41:09.519 I use this, I'm on pro Tools eleven. We're up 1:41:09.560 --> 1:41:12.679 to now. But say I made a record on protal six. 1:41:14.240 --> 1:41:16.840 It's a fucking hassle get that drive or you gotta drive. 1:41:16.880 --> 1:41:19.520 It's a different It's not a FireWire, it's a thunderbolt. 1:41:19.520 --> 1:41:22.000 It's it's like I've been going through that recently myself, 1:41:22.040 --> 1:41:24.839 because yeah, it's like, how may we're freaking a daters. 1:41:24.880 --> 1:41:26.280 I have to get well, you know, it's like I 1:41:26.400 --> 1:41:30.280 wanted to connect Thunderbolt two and Thunderbolt three hard drives. 1:41:30.520 --> 1:41:33.360 You gotta buy two connectors, and I end up being 1:41:33.360 --> 1:41:34.600 on the phone, which you don't. I always think that 1:41:34.640 --> 1:41:37.519 there was a problem, which I didn't expect whatsoever. And 1:41:37.640 --> 1:41:41.080 then my girlfriend's got a FireWire drive Thunderbolt to computer 1:41:41.640 --> 1:41:43.080 and wants to get into a hard drive. But in 1:41:43.240 --> 1:41:45.360 order to transfer from one hard drive to another, how 1:41:45.400 --> 1:41:47.639 many adapters you need? It's just crazy, that's the thing. 1:41:47.760 --> 1:41:50.720 At least with a master tape it's you always have 1:41:50.760 --> 1:41:52.519 a tape machine. You can always clean the head and 1:41:52.640 --> 1:41:54.800 put it on and it will play a thing. I'm 1:41:54.880 --> 1:41:57.680 not saying that it's not a tragedy. We shouldn't keep 1:41:57.720 --> 1:42:00.040 the masters. What I'm saying is the music is not 1:42:00.120 --> 1:42:03.400 going to disappear. Well, we can sit here and bs 1:42:03.439 --> 1:42:05.760 about all these topics, but before we start, I want 1:42:05.760 --> 1:42:07.320 to hear about your things. So I saw I didn't 1:42:07.320 --> 1:42:08.800 ever knew you played at all when I saw you 1:42:08.880 --> 1:42:11.640 on this picture. You're playing with dway, So is your thing? 1:42:11.680 --> 1:42:13.400 Are you failed? Is that what it was? We say 1:42:13.439 --> 1:42:15.920 we were like a singer songwriter. No no, no, no, 1:42:16.160 --> 1:42:19.240 I'm older than you. Okay. So in the early sixties 1:42:19.640 --> 1:42:23.160 there was always the folks scene. Okay, everybody had a 1:42:23.240 --> 1:42:26.120 ninline guitar in the house. You took lessons from somebody 1:42:26.160 --> 1:42:29.519 in the neighborhoods he can say, you know the the 1:42:29.880 --> 1:42:33.200 not even that toplicated d whatever, you know whatever. And 1:42:34.040 --> 1:42:39.160 then the Beatles hit, Beatles hit. Everybody got an electric guitar, 1:42:39.360 --> 1:42:42.840 I mean everybody. So I had a cheap, no name 1:42:43.120 --> 1:42:46.080 electric guitar, didn't have an amp for like a year. 1:42:46.800 --> 1:42:49.960 My father found an ad in the paper. He bought 1:42:50.000 --> 1:42:53.160 a Gibson to Bam for like twenty dollars. If I 1:42:53.240 --> 1:42:57.920 only had that amp today exactly. So the way I 1:42:58.080 --> 1:43:01.160 tell the story, because you started laying in bands and 1:43:01.240 --> 1:43:03.880 you start to get up tight because they say, okay, 1:43:03.880 --> 1:43:06.920 I'm gonna do this, we do that. Then I was 1:43:06.960 --> 1:43:10.559 at my friend's house, who was really talented, because now 1:43:10.600 --> 1:43:13.479 we're gonna change key, and I said I'm out, okay, 1:43:14.280 --> 1:43:18.200 But then I got a Gibson s J. Uh. You know, 1:43:18.280 --> 1:43:20.320 you went to Manny's whatever, and it would like you 1:43:20.439 --> 1:43:22.320 go there with the money in your pocket and then 1:43:22.320 --> 1:43:24.920 you know they want to sell it instantly. I saved 1:43:24.960 --> 1:43:27.720 this money all summer, but I ended up going to 1:43:27.920 --> 1:43:29.760 you know, Manny's and cmatch. But this guy to this 1:43:29.880 --> 1:43:33.000 place way downtown Silver and Horland, and I got this 1:43:33.080 --> 1:43:36.560 Gibson s J. Really sounded good. The only problem with 1:43:36.600 --> 1:43:38.960 my mother put in the fucking crawl space and it 1:43:39.120 --> 1:43:42.880 has some uh what mold on it, and the people 1:43:43.400 --> 1:43:47.240 first the people give them. Of course it's a seventy 1:43:47.360 --> 1:43:51.000 or sixty. Yeah, I know, I knew some people gives them, 1:43:51.000 --> 1:43:53.439 but then those people gives them with somebody trouble, they're 1:43:53.479 --> 1:43:56.840 not there anymore and it wasn't a priority. Okay, but 1:43:57.080 --> 1:44:00.080 I played that like the beginning of college, just for on. 1:44:00.439 --> 1:44:03.760 Then I never played again. So no, no, no, no, 1:44:04.200 --> 1:44:06.280 I never had a dream. Well, the law school thing 1:44:06.439 --> 1:44:10.320 was a different thing. So I went to college very 1:44:10.400 --> 1:44:13.080 different from you, and that I just knew I had 1:44:13.120 --> 1:44:15.280 to go to college. I didn't want to study any 1:44:15.320 --> 1:44:19.439 of these particular subjects, okay, And I went and exactly 1:44:19.479 --> 1:44:21.639 and I went to the wrong school because of very 1:44:21.720 --> 1:44:26.200 conservative academically. But there were good things as Middlebury College 1:44:26.200 --> 1:44:29.040 and Vermont. This is a dark pre internet, you know, 1:44:29.240 --> 1:44:33.599 one fuzzy TV station. I went from seventy seventy four. 1:44:34.200 --> 1:44:39.600 But the people were prep school people such that I 1:44:39.760 --> 1:44:42.599 could I learned what real rich people were, early rich 1:44:42.680 --> 1:44:44.320 people then and how they because I grew up in 1:44:44.360 --> 1:44:47.000 the melting Pets, you know, suburbs, I never knew anybody 1:44:47.080 --> 1:44:49.240 like that. And I was the guy who had the 1:44:49.280 --> 1:44:52.760 most records, okay, by far, I would live to read 1:44:52.920 --> 1:44:57.280 Rolling Stone. Oh yeah, that would be a big thing, 1:44:57.400 --> 1:44:59.800 because you know, I remember first they would all fit 1:44:59.840 --> 1:45:01.439 on a shelf in one of the rooms we had. 1:45:01.800 --> 1:45:04.720 The shelf was bound, you know, but oh yeah, I 1:45:04.760 --> 1:45:06.760 mean I had more records anybody on campus. You know, 1:45:06.880 --> 1:45:08.840 by when you're in college. By time you're in college, 1:45:09.200 --> 1:45:12.559 how many hundreds of records is that? But I either 1:45:12.680 --> 1:45:17.640 wanted to like right for Rolling Stone, or be a 1:45:17.720 --> 1:45:21.519 professional skier. Okay, so I went to professional skier route, 1:45:21.840 --> 1:45:24.439 and I only went to law school. I signed up 1:45:24.479 --> 1:45:25.560 for the l s A T when I was in 1:45:25.600 --> 1:45:27.559 college and my friends came to my front to I said, 1:45:28.320 --> 1:45:30.519 we're going to Montreal. You're not going to take that test. 1:45:30.960 --> 1:45:32.519 And I said, you're right, And I didn't take it. 1:45:33.000 --> 1:45:34.599 But then I was in l A and I broke 1:45:34.720 --> 1:45:39.160 my leg before the ski season. Professional skier though Sean 1:45:39.439 --> 1:45:44.479 Claude at the time. First I just wanted to go 1:45:44.640 --> 1:45:48.120 skiing the most guaranteed snows, little Cottonwood Can in Utah, 1:45:48.160 --> 1:45:51.040 which was out in snowboard. So I went there. Little 1:45:51.120 --> 1:45:54.679 did I know that was the epicenter of freestyle skiing. 1:45:55.560 --> 1:45:57.920 This was in the renegade days, supposed to being in 1:45:57.960 --> 1:46:01.719 the Olympics. So I that up skiing with all those people. 1:46:01.920 --> 1:46:04.639 I mean, you know, the world champion, all those people. 1:46:05.000 --> 1:46:07.640 The next year, Okay, I'm gonna do that. What I 1:46:07.840 --> 1:46:10.680 did not realize because I could ski better than the 1:46:10.800 --> 1:46:13.400 you know, on an everyday basis in the world champion, 1:46:13.720 --> 1:46:16.519 the people who are true athletes. This is really the golfers, 1:46:16.560 --> 1:46:19.040 among other things. They turn it up when the pressure 1:46:19.120 --> 1:46:22.080 is on, and the amateur you freeze a little bit. 1:46:22.640 --> 1:46:25.000 And then I said, it's gonna take me like two 1:46:25.120 --> 1:46:28.200 years to get past this. Got the world's worst case 1:46:28.240 --> 1:46:31.599 of mononucleosis. And so I started to go to law school. 1:46:31.880 --> 1:46:37.320 Hated it. Southwestern and Los Angeles fully accredited, but not Harvard. 1:46:37.880 --> 1:46:41.000 So I was gonna drop out to go skiing. It 1:46:41.080 --> 1:46:43.720 happened to be until two thousand eleven and twelfth, the 1:46:43.760 --> 1:46:45.560 worst year you can look. They the worst year in 1:46:45.600 --> 1:46:48.719 the history of snow in Utah. So I called my buddies, 1:46:48.880 --> 1:46:52.240 they're leaving. Okay, well you're leaving, you know, for Christmas. 1:46:52.320 --> 1:46:55.120 That's unheard of. And then I fell in with some girl. 1:46:55.320 --> 1:46:58.360 That was my first real relationship. I never wanted to 1:46:58.439 --> 1:47:01.080 practice law, and if I went to law school for 1:47:01.120 --> 1:47:03.439 three years, I'm gona take the goddamn bar. So I 1:47:03.520 --> 1:47:10.519 took the bar. This is okay. So because I spent 1:47:10.560 --> 1:47:13.320 a couple of years in Utah in the bar, passage 1:47:13.360 --> 1:47:15.320 rate when I took was incredibly low, like twenty eight 1:47:15.400 --> 1:47:18.639 percent in New York. The worst California is the hardest. 1:47:19.200 --> 1:47:25.200 So I decided that, oh yeah, that was happening while 1:47:25.240 --> 1:47:28.840 I was there. So, um, in any event, you take 1:47:28.920 --> 1:47:30.680 the because I said, I gotta pass the bar. I 1:47:30.760 --> 1:47:34.760 went to law school. You take the bar, and you 1:47:34.800 --> 1:47:36.559 don't find that you take in July. You don't find 1:47:36.560 --> 1:47:39.600 out until Thanksgiving. So in the interim, I got a 1:47:39.680 --> 1:47:42.160 job with the lawyer. I did pass the bar, and 1:47:42.240 --> 1:47:44.519 I worked a little bit, and then I ended up. 1:47:44.560 --> 1:47:46.360 I mean, I think I could go on and on, 1:47:46.840 --> 1:47:47.960 and then I was the only guy I want to 1:47:47.960 --> 1:47:50.800 be in the music business who was working in the 1:47:51.320 --> 1:47:56.000 movie business. Now everybody else had dreams of reverse. I 1:47:56.120 --> 1:47:58.719 was working for a law from the guy ultimately was famous. 1:47:58.800 --> 1:48:00.439 He made a certain amount of number of movies, but 1:48:00.520 --> 1:48:03.519 he was famous for something else. He represented George Foreman 1:48:03.560 --> 1:48:05.920 with a grill, and he made money, but he was 1:48:06.000 --> 1:48:10.000 a sole practitioner, so he would literally do everything. I mean, 1:48:10.040 --> 1:48:11.720 it started off. I don't know if you know your 1:48:11.800 --> 1:48:19.160 rock history, but Cosa Blanca Records a kid, Okay, so 1:48:19.280 --> 1:48:22.400 Cosa Blocker Records. There was a California law issue because 1:48:22.439 --> 1:48:26.720 they were the manager the record label right right, Well 1:48:26.840 --> 1:48:28.280 that's not what they called it. But there was a 1:48:28.360 --> 1:48:32.160 law ironically started with Jefferson Starship where you couldn't be 1:48:32.240 --> 1:48:35.240 the age in the manner, so we represented people who 1:48:35.360 --> 1:48:37.880 had songs on the Bad Girls album. So there was 1:48:37.960 --> 1:48:41.920 a lot to argue about. And then I went to 1:48:42.000 --> 1:48:44.280 work for an independent movie producer and we put this 1:48:44.400 --> 1:48:49.479 band Wasp in one of our movies, and I, let's 1:48:49.520 --> 1:48:54.600 go back in the eighties, making a movie was a 1:48:54.680 --> 1:48:57.599 really big deal. Today you can make them. They literally 1:48:57.640 --> 1:49:00.240 make movies on an iPhone, and I learned not to 1:49:00.280 --> 1:49:02.840 make movies. For for a million dollars, you could make 1:49:02.880 --> 1:49:05.240 the movie, and most other people were not. So I 1:49:05.320 --> 1:49:08.599 worked for this guy, Charles Band. While I was there, 1:49:09.479 --> 1:49:12.479 the biggest thing we did was well, this isn't the biggest, 1:49:12.520 --> 1:49:16.040 but Jawnson three D came out with the Universal and 1:49:16.120 --> 1:49:18.799 we made a storm called an album called Metal Storm 1:49:19.479 --> 1:49:21.680 in three D. That followed that into the theaters, which 1:49:21.760 --> 1:49:24.040 wasn't good. But Charlie called me one night goes what 1:49:24.200 --> 1:49:26.400 kind of music can be licensed chief that people really addicted? 1:49:26.479 --> 1:49:28.640 I said metal and then it wasn't in there. And 1:49:28.680 --> 1:49:32.639 then we had a record with the me Moore's husband's group, 1:49:32.680 --> 1:49:35.679 because before I got there, Charlie had made a movie 1:49:35.800 --> 1:49:40.559 called Um Parasite and three D. That was Demean Moore's 1:49:40.640 --> 1:49:45.880 first movie. But we put this movie. Yes, But after 1:49:46.000 --> 1:49:49.360 I left, he was more he directs, sometimes produced sometimes 1:49:50.000 --> 1:49:52.439 and he did he produced re Animator and three D, 1:49:52.600 --> 1:49:55.280 which is really kind of a classic. And then when 1:49:55.360 --> 1:49:57.439 you know, I ended up working for this company, these 1:49:57.640 --> 1:50:01.280 these guys, it's basically Sanctuary Music. They've changed a couple 1:50:01.280 --> 1:50:06.479 of times the name and but no, that's the interesting thing. 1:50:06.800 --> 1:50:09.439 It was not a legal job. It's running the office. 1:50:09.520 --> 1:50:11.679 We were in a house above the Rainbow on Weatherly 1:50:12.080 --> 1:50:15.639 that Peter Sellers bought but never lived in because he died. 1:50:16.280 --> 1:50:19.880 And it was Iron Maiden in Wasp. Don't forget what 1:50:21.080 --> 1:50:25.040 was the guy's name, Ron Smollen exactly, Rod Smote and 1:50:25.160 --> 1:50:28.599 his partner Randy Taylor. Not that Duran Duran one. They 1:50:28.640 --> 1:50:33.360 could only be in the US ninety days, right right. 1:50:33.720 --> 1:50:36.080 So I remember we we had a very rich deal 1:50:36.160 --> 1:50:39.680 with Capitol Records, and we had enough money that I 1:50:39.760 --> 1:50:42.840 started the video. Okay, the video's budget was fort K. 1:50:43.280 --> 1:50:46.160 I was in about eighteen K, so I called Capital 1:50:46.240 --> 1:50:50.720 for the check. And he says, uh, Gary Culpepper says, 1:50:50.760 --> 1:50:56.760 we only cut checks on Thursdays. You only cut checks 1:50:56.800 --> 1:51:00.519 on Thursdays. So you know, I call Odd who's in 1:51:00.560 --> 1:51:02.640 the Bahamas, and I said, you know what should I 1:51:02.680 --> 1:51:05.160 do this? Well, this is why we hired you. You know, 1:51:05.280 --> 1:51:07.800 you call back and go, okay, I'm eighteen in. Either 1:51:07.880 --> 1:51:09.320 you cut the check or I'll bill you for the 1:51:09.400 --> 1:51:12.040 eight team. So they cut the check. You know, we 1:51:12.120 --> 1:51:15.040 had a lot of power, but ultimately I lost my 1:51:15.160 --> 1:51:18.640 job over a creative issue. Uh. Well, this is the 1:51:18.680 --> 1:51:20.519 type of thing. I can't believe I'm going on about this, 1:51:21.160 --> 1:51:25.200 but this is nothing. Okay, you know I was Linda Perry. 1:51:25.280 --> 1:51:27.000 I went through some of this. Otherwise I could go 1:51:27.120 --> 1:51:29.799 on for a whole day. I'm trying not to repeat myself, 1:51:30.360 --> 1:51:34.960 but um, we have this being lost. They wanted to 1:51:35.040 --> 1:51:38.560 produce themselves, Okay, they ended up using how come I 1:51:38.640 --> 1:51:42.240 can see this guy's name suddenly Metal not Metal Blake? 1:51:42.920 --> 1:51:45.600 Oh no, no, no, that was the other one, the 1:51:45.640 --> 1:51:48.519 guy who found all the guitars. Now he was living 1:51:48.520 --> 1:51:53.640 in Sebastany. What party exactly? Good friend of mine. What's 1:51:53.680 --> 1:51:56.439 Mike Party doing today? He's a member of the oh, 1:51:56.520 --> 1:52:00.719 I read that. I read that he sold he sold 1:52:00.760 --> 1:52:04.720 it to Red One whatever. He sold the orchard. He 1:52:04.840 --> 1:52:07.280 lives in Vegas. I talked to him last night and 1:52:07.360 --> 1:52:09.160 get him on the phone right now. He's not up. 1:52:09.320 --> 1:52:12.680 He's still a vampire. He doesn't get up till any 1:52:12.760 --> 1:52:14.840 of them he wanted. He wanted to produce the record, 1:52:14.880 --> 1:52:18.040 and they didn't want. He knew that they hired Varney, 1:52:18.080 --> 1:52:20.720 they could boss them around. It was a good experience 1:52:20.800 --> 1:52:24.040 with Varney. Varney was a nice guy. The only problem, well, 1:52:24.640 --> 1:52:27.479 the two tracks we cut. One of them was the 1:52:27.560 --> 1:52:31.400 one that the PMRC cut went down on the animal 1:52:31.520 --> 1:52:35.719 fuck like a beast. So the problem was he had 1:52:35.840 --> 1:52:39.120 this engineer. He really didn't know what he was doing. 1:52:40.120 --> 1:52:44.320 So the mixes were just fucking terrible. So at the time, 1:52:44.479 --> 1:52:48.160 the A and R guy at the Capital was Carter. Okay, 1:52:48.479 --> 1:52:52.479 who was what is he these days? He's dead? Okay? 1:52:52.960 --> 1:52:55.960 John Carter was famous for right he was writing the 1:52:56.080 --> 1:52:58.719 He wrote the Lyricture in sze Pepperins ultimately brought Tina 1:52:58.800 --> 1:53:02.760 Turner back, but that was after So I say, you know, Carter, 1:53:02.840 --> 1:53:04.240 can I come up and play you this? You know 1:53:04.320 --> 1:53:07.479 these mixes? So I go up I blame him the 1:53:07.520 --> 1:53:09.759 mix on a cassette, turns it off in the middle, 1:53:09.840 --> 1:53:14.280 and he goes, I passed on this band three times. 1:53:14.360 --> 1:53:18.360 It was signed above me, do whatever the funk you want? Okay, 1:53:18.600 --> 1:53:20.960 How am I going to deal with Blackie? Okay? Is 1:53:21.000 --> 1:53:25.200 the lead Blackie Lawless, who is wasp Because I told him, 1:53:25.320 --> 1:53:27.479 he said I left part of the story. He would 1:53:27.520 --> 1:53:32.200 only remix the record if Carter said to Okay, And 1:53:32.479 --> 1:53:35.599 Carter said that. So I'm figuring out what I'm gonna say. 1:53:35.600 --> 1:53:37.479 But I get back in my office. Blackie comes back. 1:53:37.640 --> 1:53:39.640 I knew I love chocolate chip cookies, came with a 1:53:39.680 --> 1:53:42.719 big bag of Mrs Fields and said, I'll do it whatever. 1:53:42.840 --> 1:53:46.240 So we got this guy, Dwayne Baron, who was famous 1:53:46.280 --> 1:53:48.920 at that point because he had engineered and mixed the 1:53:49.040 --> 1:53:52.439 Quiet Riot records, and he the engineer, but didn't mix 1:53:52.560 --> 1:53:55.519 the No More Tears Azzi record. I don't know where 1:53:55.560 --> 1:53:59.320 he is today, but he now made the record listenable. 1:54:00.560 --> 1:54:04.519 The problem with bands is they have a vision of 1:54:04.760 --> 1:54:08.360 what they're gonna do. Okay, so suddenly it's gonna be 1:54:08.400 --> 1:54:11.400 a different single. So I said, no, it's got to 1:54:11.439 --> 1:54:16.200 be this single, okay, And ultimately Rod was in town 1:54:16.920 --> 1:54:19.439 and he goes, we got we gotta do this, you 1:54:19.520 --> 1:54:22.880 gotta do that? Goes, well, you know what difference does 1:54:22.920 --> 1:54:25.360 it make? It? The first album only sells a hundred thousand. 1:54:25.840 --> 1:54:28.559 That was the stiff, which I had the opposite thing, 1:54:29.120 --> 1:54:32.560 and I was supposed to fly to UH to the 1:54:32.720 --> 1:54:36.960 u K. And the Andy Taylor came back and said 1:54:36.960 --> 1:54:39.680 it's not working out because I was standing in the 1:54:39.920 --> 1:54:45.280 it really fucked what uh? I wanted a song called 1:54:45.360 --> 1:54:48.720 love Machine? Do you know that record? Okay? They wanted 1:54:48.760 --> 1:54:51.640 to go with something I want to know? But no, 1:54:51.880 --> 1:54:53.960 I don't need no doctors on that record. No, No, 1:54:54.120 --> 1:54:57.960 that's later. Do you think of the humble Pie version 1:54:59.640 --> 1:55:02.000 I was, you know, after the first record, I was done. 1:55:02.800 --> 1:55:05.680 I want to be something that's that exactly. That's the record, 1:55:05.720 --> 1:55:07.720 That's what that's all you wanted. No, that's not the one. 1:55:08.400 --> 1:55:11.080 Okay though that was the first. That was the first thing. Look, 1:55:11.720 --> 1:55:14.760 but if you go back to that record and go 1:55:15.000 --> 1:55:24.680 to love Machine, this is four okay. So the nature 1:55:24.680 --> 1:55:26.560 of those jobs, I say, I could go on for hours. 1:55:26.560 --> 1:55:28.480 I'm trying to make it very short just to edify you, 1:55:29.560 --> 1:55:33.320 is that you can't spend a dollar you're working around 1:55:33.360 --> 1:55:35.520 the clock and the other thing. You know, it's sort 1:55:35.520 --> 1:55:38.480 of big. I said, the guys were going to the airport, okay, 1:55:38.920 --> 1:55:40.960 Andy and Rod and said, you got any got any money? 1:55:41.240 --> 1:55:42.800 I haven't even go to the airport that need like 1:55:44.320 --> 1:55:47.800 they go, you gotta need company money. This well, you know, 1:55:47.800 --> 1:55:49.320 I like a lot of money in the bank account. 1:55:50.120 --> 1:55:52.520 He goes, well you should have some money. They whip 1:55:52.560 --> 1:55:56.120 off four thousand dollars cash and I go, what am 1:55:56.120 --> 1:55:59.240 I supposed to do with this? And they said put 1:55:59.320 --> 1:56:01.600 it in your pocket. Good And then you find you 1:56:01.800 --> 1:56:05.280 need it because nobody has any credit card. Well, we 1:56:05.360 --> 1:56:09.000 want to rent a skeleton. They require a thousand dollar deposit. Okay, 1:56:09.080 --> 1:56:11.920 here's a thousand. So I was you know, I had 1:56:11.960 --> 1:56:15.240 worked on movies, I you know, worked as a music supervisor, 1:56:15.320 --> 1:56:17.640 did some other ship. But eventually the money ran out, 1:56:18.760 --> 1:56:23.920 and then I started the newsletter. When was that you 1:56:24.080 --> 1:56:29.880 monetize the news letter from Yes, let's okay. What happens 1:56:30.080 --> 1:56:33.600 is when I would read the stuff. When I went 1:56:33.640 --> 1:56:38.040 to Middlebury, there was one professor who wrote see stories badly, 1:56:38.480 --> 1:56:40.920 and when I read my ship, it was like screen 1:56:40.960 --> 1:56:44.720 time for hitlo. Okay, So I never wrote another thing. 1:56:44.840 --> 1:56:47.040 But when you're ten years later, you're working, you get 1:56:47.080 --> 1:56:50.800 all these bios. The buyers were just horrific. So the 1:56:50.960 --> 1:56:55.240 bios um I would have to rewrite them. And then 1:56:55.280 --> 1:56:56.880 I ran out of money and I went to a 1:56:56.960 --> 1:56:59.440 job counselor and they said, here's you have to write 1:56:59.480 --> 1:57:02.600 these six essays brag about yourself. And I wrote the 1:57:02.680 --> 1:57:07.160 six essays and uh, I got back in touch on 1:57:07.320 --> 1:57:09.440 Let be a writer. So you send stuff to magazines, 1:57:09.480 --> 1:57:11.320 Go wait a second, this is just like the music business. 1:57:11.320 --> 1:57:14.240 You got to know the people. So I'm reading Billboard 1:57:14.320 --> 1:57:17.520 one night. It's terrible now, but it was terrible. Then 1:57:17.560 --> 1:57:20.360 in between the Timothy White made it someone Okay, I 1:57:20.440 --> 1:57:23.360 said this is terrible. I could do a better job 1:57:23.440 --> 1:57:27.120 than this. So I started the newsletter and I said, 1:57:27.800 --> 1:57:32.040 I have a target number of people that if they 1:57:32.640 --> 1:57:35.520 do if they subscribe, I will continue doing it. I 1:57:35.640 --> 1:57:38.000 was really doing is an advertisement for myself to get 1:57:38.040 --> 1:57:41.200 into the job. What I did not expect is generally speaking, 1:57:41.640 --> 1:57:44.640 only the most successful people subscribe. The heads of all 1:57:44.680 --> 1:57:47.800 the labels, they could hear something contrary, and at the 1:57:47.920 --> 1:57:50.240 time it was all tips. I gotta do stuff, not 1:57:50.360 --> 1:57:56.080 tips about records. Nineties were very bleak. Just no, that's 1:57:56.080 --> 1:57:57.920 what I was doing. First. It was the full time 1:57:57.960 --> 1:58:00.720 effort to write it more times to day. I know, 1:58:00.800 --> 1:58:06.960 it's like you know, but the right the dark ages. Uh, 1:58:07.440 --> 1:58:08.920 you know, you had to print it, you had to 1:58:09.040 --> 1:58:12.800 put it in the envelopes, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. But um, 1:58:13.760 --> 1:58:16.320 then the year I got very into the Internet because 1:58:16.360 --> 1:58:18.920 I had a free subscription to a well when it 1:58:19.000 --> 1:58:24.440 was right right even before that. And then of course 1:58:24.560 --> 1:58:27.200 we're friendly with Geiger. What we're friendly with at this 1:58:27.640 --> 1:58:30.280 then because he's you know, he's a big proponent early 1:58:30.360 --> 1:58:33.960 days adopter. Let's not talk. I mean, I'm good with 1:58:34.080 --> 1:58:36.000 Geiger and he's great at w M E. But that's 1:58:36.040 --> 1:58:39.680 a whole different job. But I have some artist direct stock. 1:58:40.680 --> 1:58:42.320 How much it? And then did you put into artist 1:58:42.360 --> 1:58:45.400 direct stock? I want to talk about. Okay, without obviously 1:58:45.520 --> 1:58:49.320 crashed soon after went public. Uh but when Napster happened, 1:58:49.840 --> 1:58:51.520 I was I was a lawyer. I knew what was 1:58:51.600 --> 1:58:55.320 going on, and I was totally Internet savvy. So that's 1:58:55.360 --> 1:58:57.480 what happened there. But now you know, have to tell me, 1:58:57.640 --> 1:59:00.680 you know, but how does this news letter generate? Well? 1:59:00.720 --> 1:59:06.400 At this point. I charge for the newsletter and then email. 1:59:06.440 --> 1:59:09.240 It's free, right, But what I found is, and I 1:59:09.320 --> 1:59:10.800 don't have enough time, and I want to board the 1:59:10.840 --> 1:59:14.240 audience with how I decided to make it free by 1:59:14.360 --> 1:59:19.000 being free. I was at the cutting edge of everything. Accidentally. Okay, 1:59:19.520 --> 1:59:21.960 I had this book. I go to this conference and 1:59:22.040 --> 1:59:27.880 Aspen first year, they sent an email contact list and 1:59:28.000 --> 1:59:31.160 it's like, also, did you get an interstant response? Then 1:59:31.480 --> 1:59:33.960 I had this David Geffen book, The Operator, a weekend 1:59:34.040 --> 1:59:37.640 before anybody, and I wrote about it, and then I 1:59:37.720 --> 1:59:39.640 got the response. And then I had a directory which 1:59:39.680 --> 1:59:42.800 had some email addresses from my subscriber list. Said it 1:59:42.920 --> 1:59:45.880 all of a sudden, you're experiencing, you know, virality. Remember 1:59:45.960 --> 1:59:51.280 Jefferson Holt, who was the manager. He starts email and go, well, 1:59:51.320 --> 1:59:53.360 it's fine, how did you get it? Well, I got 1:59:53.400 --> 1:59:56.600 it from Mark Williams. Well, Mark Williams wasn't a subscriber either. 1:59:57.200 --> 2:00:00.760 So that's when I started experience virality and this result 2:00:00.800 --> 2:00:03.280 of being free. This was before everybody said give it 2:00:03.320 --> 2:00:05.680 away for free. I was hearing from people all over 2:00:05.720 --> 2:00:09.040 the world and became, you know, an interesting thing. And 2:00:09.120 --> 2:00:11.680 of course music was a canary in the coal mine 2:00:11.760 --> 2:00:15.120 for this digital disruption for fifteen years we figured it out. 2:00:15.200 --> 2:00:17.600 They still think, you know, and then in the movie 2:00:17.680 --> 2:00:22.480 business they're going to counteract it somehow. But also I 2:00:22.560 --> 2:00:25.680 grew up in the era where music was everything, and 2:00:26.040 --> 2:00:29.120 music right now the politics is the thing. But they 2:00:29.240 --> 2:00:33.360 don't want to they don't want to own that. Well music, music, okay, 2:00:33.400 --> 2:00:36.360 whatever it is, it's really about the politics thing. But 2:00:36.920 --> 2:00:39.160 as far as I'll give you more detail because I 2:00:39.200 --> 2:00:43.120 want to bore the audience at another time. But I 2:00:43.280 --> 2:00:46.320 love that you asked me. But we have to. We've 2:00:46.400 --> 2:00:48.760 come to the end of the feeling we've known. George, 2:00:49.120 --> 2:00:51.840 thanks so much for being on and tell these great stories. 2:00:52.560 --> 2:00:55.160 Hope it was boring either. Until next time. This is 2:00:55.240 --> 2:00:55.760 Bob Left