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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today this producer, music supervisor, Jack of all trades,

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Speaker 1: George Riculius, Hollywood footnote. Good to have you here, George,

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Speaker 1: good to be here, Bob. Okay, So I noticed you

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Speaker 1: rolled up in a smart car. How did you? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Do you like that? That's my third one third one? Well,

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Speaker 1: why do you need to do what? You'd be surprised?

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Speaker 1: So what happened two thousand nine, I think, or two

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Speaker 1: thousand eight. I saw on the line it was coming

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Speaker 1: to America, coming to America, Smart reserve. Now, put a

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars down, build your dream smart car. So I

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Speaker 1: put I put my credit card down a hundred dollars.

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Speaker 1: I built a silver with a black trim, and I

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Speaker 1: got the upgrade, which is I think at that time

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Speaker 1: some kind of dials a hundred dollars or whatever. And

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Speaker 1: two years later I got a call Mr Kulius, your

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Speaker 1: smart cars here, like, excuse me. I'm like, what if

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Speaker 1: I don't like it? Like, it's all right, We'll give

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Speaker 1: your money back, you know. But they so they're Mercedes.

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Speaker 1: So I got it and I loved it. I absolutely

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Speaker 1: love it. It's great. It's like if you're driving around

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Speaker 1: and you're going out and like, hey give me a

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Speaker 1: ride home. You give me my drunk friend. Hey, man,

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Speaker 1: do you want to get in the in the hatchback?

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Speaker 1: And it's big. I mean, I'm a huge guy, you know,

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Speaker 1: stupid guy in a smart car. But and then um,

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Speaker 1: what else? So like if I go to set, like

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Speaker 1: I say, I go to the set, it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: crew parking is always like a mile away. It was like,

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Speaker 1: I'll just park under like I can park under the

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Speaker 1: under the Winner bagel and like you know, like the

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Speaker 1: base camp is like I'll go in and just driving

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Speaker 1: and everybody loves it. The valets love it. It's funny

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Speaker 1: like this is the best car man, you know. And

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Speaker 1: they know there's a Ferrari in front of me, they

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Speaker 1: don't care. They get all excited about the smart car.

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Speaker 1: And as they got older, older, whatever they as, they

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Speaker 1: kept in proving them. They got them one with Gland.

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Speaker 1: Now I have leather um in side. It's really decked

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Speaker 1: out and it's roomy. I've driven to I've driven to

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Speaker 1: San Francisco. I mean, I wouldn't want to work much

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Speaker 1: farther than that. I wouldn't want to go across country

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Speaker 1: in it, okay, But when you're on the freeway, what's

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Speaker 1: it like? I love it. My wife hates it. She's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, it's just a it's a titanium roll cage.

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Speaker 1: And I've showed the videos on line of of a

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Speaker 1: smart guy going a hundred miles into a concrete you

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Speaker 1: know those divide and they bounce off and they come

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Speaker 1: around and one door is like fine, the other door

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Speaker 1: is kind of broken, and the people are still upright,

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Speaker 1: and said, look, we'll have an open cask at funeral.

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Speaker 1: We did, because if you're going a hundred miles and

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Speaker 1: now and you stop, that's going to all your organs.

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Speaker 1: But I said, but we'll have you know, we'll look good.

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Speaker 1: So I love it. That's fine, Okay. So it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like the black box on an airplane. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love it. So there's no time obviously she

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Speaker 1: has a car, there's no time when you say, hey,

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Speaker 1: we won't go in the smart I'll take together car forgetting.

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Speaker 1: If she's not she wants to help with me, or

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Speaker 1: she's welcome to drive herself. We'll go to Santa Barbara.

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Speaker 1: We have friend has got to play up there. Well

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Speaker 1: that's about as partial driving it. But it's she's getting

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Speaker 1: used to it. It's safe, okay. And then how noisy

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Speaker 1: is it when you get to like sixty seven? Right,

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Speaker 1: it's a little bouncy, like you don't want to do

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Speaker 1: eight seventy five. It's fine on the freeway eighty five,

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Speaker 1: it start getting it starts getting a little weird if

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Speaker 1: you pass a big truck. But um, it's like I

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Speaker 1: think it's a turbo. It has an overdrive and you

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Speaker 1: trick them out even more. Mine is pretty stealth black

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Speaker 1: on black now, but I love it. And how about

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Speaker 1: so you're talking about parking on set? But generally is

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Speaker 1: it a great advantage you have a car that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know if any street ego too, it's

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Speaker 1: always like, oh there's I can't fit there. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I can fit there. I think it's only eight feet long.

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Speaker 1: And so but now they're not going to import him anymore.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, all right, I read about electric, you know

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Speaker 1: the all electric one yet, but now they're not gonna

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Speaker 1: import electric either. No, you better make this one last.

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Speaker 1: I'm leasing it like an idiot. Okay, So I know

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Speaker 1: now you're working on movies. There anything else you do

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Speaker 1: now that I'm missing? Um, well, I'm running for city counting. Um,

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Speaker 1: I working on some movies. I still make a record.

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Speaker 1: It's made a record with this band called Stereophonics. Are

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Speaker 1: sure so you are still producing? Yeah? I mean someone's

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Speaker 1: stupid enough to hire me. You curse on this thing.

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Speaker 1: Say whatever you want to. You know the four stages

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Speaker 1: of your career? Oh, yes, I do. But tell my order.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's who's Georgia Culius? Gotta get Georgia Culius,

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ always he's always booked. It's like a new

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Speaker 1: young hot George Culius. Who the fund is George? So

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Speaker 1: I'm at that stage again. I've get to reinvent myself

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Speaker 1: and hopefully some young band. If you're listening and you're

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Speaker 1: very hip hiring me? No, but it's fun. I mean,

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Speaker 1: but I get to make a lot of music for

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Speaker 1: the movies I'm working on. That's always fun. Um. I

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Speaker 1: get to like if I recorded like Vince Vaughan ever recorded,

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Speaker 1: Owen Wilson, Kristen uh Christ and wigg you know. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's always fun. Like when you get to use

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Speaker 1: your skill set and like work with that. Well, I'm

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Speaker 1: a little I thought you were, like when you're talking

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Speaker 1: about those people, if you're amusing supervisor say, I'm more

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Speaker 1: than a music So that's why I'm asking. So you're

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Speaker 1: recording them like singing tell us what tell us? The

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Speaker 1: four things you are? So I'm very handsome. Um so

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Speaker 1: with the movie like something, but it's not trying to

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Speaker 1: think of anything like so this TV show worked on

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Speaker 1: Escape ad anim or did you watch that with Ben Stiller?

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Speaker 1: I know, I just followed so close. It's greatly if

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Speaker 1: I gonna pick up on stuff that it's really a

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Speaker 1: lot of humanity, you'll love it. And they're wonderful and

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Speaker 1: the two mates are plotting with the person who's working

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Speaker 1: there the world. They both start, you know, getting on

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Speaker 1: with it and who British ocad who's wonderful and so

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Speaker 1: probably win an Emmy. I guess Emmy bait um. So

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Speaker 1: for example, there's a flashback sine that takes place like

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Speaker 1: an early night like mid nineties at the outside of

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Speaker 1: strip club and we want to use Wu Tang clan

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Speaker 1: ain't nothing to funk with and um, you didn't know this, Bob,

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Speaker 1: but they didn't really clear all the samples back in

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Speaker 1: the day. So it's like this gray it's this gray

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Speaker 1: where well, we can't publishing cleared, but the master we

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Speaker 1: don't know. So I know Rizzle and they get to

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Speaker 1: call Rizzle like, let's let's remake this thing and so

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Speaker 1: same thing happened on this movie Do Date, trying to

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Speaker 1: use check yourself before you wreck yourself. And again there's

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Speaker 1: another thing that was gray area ambiguous. So you getting

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Speaker 1: to remake stuff like that is always fun. Or in

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Speaker 1: Walter Middy, Christin Wig had a sing so I got

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Speaker 1: to record her and then it turns to I don't

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Speaker 1: feel so that it turns this big she's singing, um

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Speaker 1: uh what's a ground control the major tom and it

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Speaker 1: great singer. Also she was she's also a great ukuleleleas um.

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Speaker 1: So that's always fun. Like if I'm working on the movie,

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Speaker 1: I get to create stuff. That's always fun. And then

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Speaker 1: on a movie. It's nice because I do know I'm

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Speaker 1: not the I'm not your average pickings. I'm not your

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Speaker 1: average bad about park right whatever, Yogi Bear, so I'll

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Speaker 1: be able to use me. But but you, uh, Yogi Bear,

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Speaker 1: didn't wait till noon? How about yourself? Now I find

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Speaker 1: myself getting up and just like sweating because it will

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Speaker 1: get into that in a minute. But um so, like

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Speaker 1: like I kind of trying to talk to a composer.

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Speaker 1: So I'm able to talk composer in musical terms and

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Speaker 1: it's just not I'm like, okay, you want to just

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Speaker 1: love it now excuse me. So that's always fun. So

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Speaker 1: that's when it's fun, you know, when I get to used.

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Speaker 1: In a perfect world, if you could be doing anything now,

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Speaker 1: what would you want to be doing? Nothing? Would you?

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Speaker 1: Let's be clear, nothing is not usually that happy right now.

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Speaker 1: I would know. I would think, I think I'd like

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Speaker 1: to make more I would like to make more records,

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Speaker 1: and I'd like to I'd like to make it more meaningful,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know what it means anymore, you know,

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Speaker 1: what would be more meaningful? The process? Just the thing

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Speaker 1: Center and you say you used to have fights over records. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So you'd like no NPMD or you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, we hated the West Coast for sure.

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Speaker 1: That was like those I'm saying. Yeah, you would get

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Speaker 1: you just have arguments, but they're friendly, no no guns usually, right. Um.

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Speaker 1: I was robbed a few times, like, uh, okay, let's

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Speaker 1: stop there. When were you robbed? Well, you get away

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Speaker 1: about at the roller rink at the Roxy. There's a

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Speaker 1: there's a great hip hop club called the Roxy, which

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Speaker 1: where is this Manhattan streets gone? I was living on

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Speaker 1: and um, I remember being online. There's two stories. One

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Speaker 1: hop that being online. It's like you crushed, you know,

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Speaker 1: line right, not on queuing up. I don't know you're

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Speaker 1: the internet? So you squished in and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: I feel something like somebody's hand in my pocket, like

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Speaker 1: I got like bubble gum in four bucks. I'm not

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Speaker 1: I'm like, your fucking hand in my pocket? What are

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Speaker 1: But the best was, uh the like bud Wise is

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Speaker 1: super fessed. It was like Llo Clue, j Run dmc um,

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Speaker 1: Jaqueline Hide which is Andre Harrell was in this band

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Speaker 1: was hip hop, and um, you know, I was backstage

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Speaker 1: very much very back in the day, and they're like,

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Speaker 1: Hip hop left me. Um, I'm not as invested anymore.

419
00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,560
Speaker 1: A couple people I like, like Thundercat, I think it's

420
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,680
Speaker 1: a great producer or whatever. Like those people are talent,

421
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,280
Speaker 1: you know. And I've grated that Kanye you know, I

422
00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 1: guess he's a genius because he says he's a genius.

423
00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,080
Speaker 1: But um, I don't know, you know, I feel like

424
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,800
Speaker 1: there's nothing really Lahova. I'm still impressed with him, you know,

425
00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,560
Speaker 1: I'm impressed with his voice and impressed with his his

426
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:54,720
Speaker 1: rhyming style. But um, I don't it was nice And

427
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 1: again that's like an whole guy. Oh crouchyo guy. But

428
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 1: the thing was the record. It was being heard and

429
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 1: it was as aspirational. And now it's like I got

430
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,720
Speaker 1: my footwear brand, you know, It's like and now there's

431
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 1: so many other things involved with it. It doesn't feels

432
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,200
Speaker 1: as pure anymore, you know. And right about what about

433
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:18,199
Speaker 1: the beefs, Bill, I think they shut they should have

434
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:19,880
Speaker 1: let should have a coke and a smile and shut

435
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 1: the funk up. I mean they getting paid, they get

436
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 1: like like there's no reason to be beat back. You know,

437
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 1: when they were twelve inches and you were in different

438
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,639
Speaker 1: hoods and you were still living with your grandmother in

439
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 1: Queens and they're the ones living that was really you know,

440
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,680
Speaker 1: that was still you know, I don't have any sorry

441
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,119
Speaker 1: Drake whatever, Bill, millionaires don't you know in beefs don't

442
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 1: excite me. Well, the other thing, as you mentioned earlier,

443
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,159
Speaker 1: they're more about the brand than the music. It's like

444
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 1: people want to be famous as opposed to be musicians.

445
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 1: It's just a stepping stone. It's about to see. Uh.

446
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 1: You know, I got an Instagram accountany about three thousand

447
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 1: followers whatever, I don't I don't don't post that much.

448
00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 1: But um, I went to see Trapy Scott and um

449
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:08,919
Speaker 1: what's his face? Little guy from Compton Kendrick and uh

450
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 1: and I posted like the Travy Scott came out of

451
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: this fire, this wing bird with the spinning fire and

452
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 1: I posted a small little video on my thing and

453
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 1: I had a fifty thou beauties because I tagged, you know,

454
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 1: I tag Travy Scott or whatever, and it was like

455
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 1: the next thing. He was like like, can this be right? So,

456
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 1: I mean the power they you know, they're very powerful people,

457
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 1: so I can understand. Okay, Musically, what do you think

458
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 1: about Kendrick. I think he's great, you know. I think

459
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 1: I think he's one of the you know, one of

460
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 1: the better ones for sure. And I think he's it's emotional,

461
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 1: it's you know, I think it's his aspirational. I think

462
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: he wants to take I think, whatever, there's a white guy,

463
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: but I think he wants to take his people somewhere.

464
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 1: You know. He's definitely of that. You know. I think

465
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 1: he's a leader, which is which is great. I think,

466
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 1: you know, sorry Ny, I think Conny is a clown.

467
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 1: I think Kendrick is a real leader, you know. Okay,

468
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: let's go back to one of your peaks, and not

469
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 1: that you don't have peaks mean in the future, but

470
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: you produced the first two Black Crows album, okay, and

471
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 1: the first one was Gigantic Kid. How did you end

472
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 1: up producing that um, that was that's a good story.

473
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: So I was working with Rick at def jam Rick

474
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 1: rub Ruben, and he made this movie called Tougher Than Leather.

475
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 1: If you have seen it, Have you seen Tougher than Leather?

476
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: Starting run dmc No, No, I didn't see it. It's

477
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: like bad. It's like a really it's like a black

478
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: exploitation film. You know, it's low budget exactly black exploitation. Um,

479
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 1: low budget. He's in it. He starts, he wrote, start,

480
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 1: he started, and directs it. Well. Actually, you know, there's

481
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: this Rick Rubin's series on Showtime and they show part

482
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: of that movie with Rick in it. I know he's

483
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 1: embarrassed by it. But you know it's completely racist, but

484
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: in the best way. You know, it's over the time. Everybody,

485
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: no one's spared. It's like it was like the era

486
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: of earlier Howard starting to makes fun of Jews, makes

487
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 1: fun of Blacks, makes fun Chinese people, Asians, everybody, no

488
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: one's spared. Everybason equally insulted. But I remember telling me

489
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: he sat next to day. He played for David. He

490
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: screened for David Geffen because they wanted he was looking

491
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: at a distribution and Geff's like you can't put this

492
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 1: movie out. It's like, what do you mean goes the

493
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: way you talk about the Jews? And there's one there's

494
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: only one line about Jewish people in the whole thing,

495
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: Like there's only one cut and that's the only thing

496
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: he saw. And Rick was like, he's how proud of it?

497
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 1: I think he's embarrassed And maybe we'll have to all

498
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: watch the documentary and the genius mind of Rick Rubin

499
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 1: to figure out if if he is embarrassed by that.

500
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: So he's making this movie. He kind of was pulling

501
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 1: away from Russell. He didn't really want to miss Simmons. Sorry,

502
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: Russell Simmons. He Um moved to l A, moved to

503
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 1: the into the Montreal, didn't come back and never went

504
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: back to New York. So I took a job at

505
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: A and M for a year because Steve Robowski signed

506
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: the def JAM deal to Colombia and now he was

507
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: the head of A and MIGHT, so he hired me

508
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 1: like a low you know, like a director of A

509
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: or whatever it was. I went out and so you know,

510
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,719
Speaker 1: I want to try to see a couple of bands.

511
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: Um and then I was in. They sent me to

512
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: Atlanta see a band called bare Back I think it was,

513
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: and it kind of like a southern boogie band, and

514
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 1: I thought they were just gonna be playing in town

515
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 1: with so I was online at a Kentucky literally at

516
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: a Kentucky Fried Chicken at the Marriott Hotel where I

517
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: was staying in front of me had long hair. I'm like, hey,

518
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: there any other bands in this town. He's like, well,

519
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: this man called Mr. Crow's Gardener pretty good playing tonight

520
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: at the Peacock or somewhere whatever. It was like, okay, cool,

521
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: I'll check it out. After these guys, I found that

522
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: this band is playing about forty minutes outside of town,

523
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: like some dive bar. I take a cab out there.

524
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: The manager is also the lyric right it hands me

525
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: a loose leaf book with lyrics. I'm like, what this

526
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: like in the lyrics man, I'm like okay, you know,

527
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: and then I'm singing in the back of this club

528
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 1: and the band's playing. He's literally singing the songs to

529
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: me in my ear. I'm like, I gotta get out

530
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: of here, and he's like, okay, we've got the second set.

531
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: Come on me. Like so I meet the man, He's like, hey,

532
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm let it stay for the second set. It's great.

533
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: I got back into cab, travel back into Atlanta, which

534
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 1: is like a half hour whatever. I get to the

535
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: club and they were over, Hey, what happened to the

536
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: Girl's Garden? Oh? They they finished. I'm like, okay, cool.

537
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: And I was living in New York at the time.

538
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: I got back to New York and I look in

539
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: the Voice and they were playing in New York the

540
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: next week, so I just happened to go and and

541
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: they were good. I mean, he was a presence. You know,

542
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,959
Speaker 1: Chris was great, great, Chris Robinson great. He's you know,

543
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: he's a he was a front man. He had it

544
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: back then. He had the moves, you know, he had

545
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: the whole thing. As brother was kind of handsome and

546
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: like with like mysterious, you know. He's also he was

547
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: just this young guy. And uh. I watched that set

548
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: and it was kind of like dang, and everything's like

549
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: very up up up up. And at the end they

550
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: played Down the Streets by and the Stooges and they

551
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 1: played No More, No More by Aerosmith, Love That No More.

552
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, dreamna that and I'm like okay. So I

553
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: met them, I said, h that's great. I said, let

554
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: me ask you something. I said, he played this whole

555
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: set in the last two songs you played had nothing

556
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: to do with the other stuff, and like what gives

557
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, we're the most popular band in

558
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: Landa right now. We play a lot of colleges and

559
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,239
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and this is what our audience is like.

560
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 1: But we like this, like oh interesting, okay. So we

561
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: stayed in touch, exchanging numbers, no email back then. And

562
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: then I remember men Peter manch our mutual friend, took

563
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: me to see to Monsters Rock in Dallas and I

564
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: had gotten this uh cassette. I know really, I had

565
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: a cassette and had a Sony Walkman with the extra

566
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: bass boom base on it. And I was listening to

567
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: the Faces record, Um, not as good as a wink,

568
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: And I said, that's a terrible record except for the hip.

569
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: That's not true Miss Judy's Farm. Like no, that was

570
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: compared to the second album. In the first album, Miss

571
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: Judy's Farm, it's pretty good and also good, Hey goodhead

572
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: a huge Rod Stewart film. I was just I mean,

573
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 1: I bought that album. I always still owned it. Well whatever,

574
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: so you're used to that So I'm listening to it

575
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, this is interesting. I'm gonna play

576
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: this for Chris Robinson. So I called him up like hey,

577
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: what are you. Hey man, I'm down Texas, blah blah

578
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: blah whatever. I'm gonna play something. So I played in

579
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 1: Miss Judi Farm in the song you don't like right. Well,

580
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: as I say, certainly that album have the right sound,

581
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: I just didn't think the material was the songs are right, yeah,

582
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: maybe in the B So I put and put the

583
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: ear you know, the ear phone to the speaker and

584
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: standing man, man, dude, dank, you know. I was playing

585
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: whatever here hello, Like right, what's up? Like, um, you

586
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: sent me that record? I'm like showing up wrong. So

587
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: I send him a copy and then we kept a

588
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: touch and then like a couple of months later, like hey,

589
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: so that was not the sound you saw it heard

590
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 1: in New York. Couple of months later, it's a couple

591
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: of months. Like a couple of months later, he's like, hey,

592
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: come down, we got a bunch of new songs. Um

593
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: come down and see us. So I went down. I

594
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is it's kind of rock now.

595
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: And then we made a demo at them, and I

596
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: was I wanted to sign him, and then I was like, well,

597
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: can we do development because they were doing these development

598
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: deals and they're like they're kind of tricky to get

599
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: out of, you know whatever, so they're kind of hemming

600
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: and hawing. I'm like, well, that's not fun. And then

601
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: Rick called me. He's like, hey, I'm not moving back

602
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: to New York. I'm saying in California. Come out. I'm

603
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: gonna start a new company. It's be more rock based.

604
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: Just get out here. I'm like, all right, So anything

605
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: you want to do. I said, well I found a

606
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: big He's do what the hell you want. I don't care,

607
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: you know, just come out here. So I moved out

608
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: here in my thirties, year eighty nine, and then I

609
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: told we signed the band. And I took about a

610
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: year to get the songs going, like back and forth.

611
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: I go there a couple of times. They said, we

612
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: sent a sets back and forth, and then I went

613
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: down there and then we made a record in uh

614
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: around this time in eighty nine. We're around the summer,

615
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,959
Speaker 1: sometime in the summer at eighty nine, and it came

616
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: out first week of January. Thirty years was just insane. Okay,

617
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: did you know it was going to be such a monster.

618
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: I knew it was the best week we had to

619
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, we had to offer. And then there was

620
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: there was them at that age, and we had one

621
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 1: guitar every everything. I think every every song starts with

622
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: the one guitar on the left speaker, because I thought

623
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: we knew how to do at that point. And then

624
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: I think the best thing was getting Chuck level to

625
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: come down and play the stone towards the stones in

626
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: the Almond Brothers everything, and that really took it to

627
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: another level. And I was like, well it's good, you know,

628
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: I said, I you know, if it doesn't want to

629
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: tack the copies, they can make it. We can make

630
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: another one and they can tour and get an opening

631
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: slot or something like that. And that they just was

632
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just you know, who knows better be lucky

633
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: than good. I wish, but hard to hear. The loose

634
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: idea was to do that. That was I think it's

635
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: Chris's you know, Robin, and he's like, I said, we

636
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: should do something, you know. And then my idea was

637
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: to make it like walk this way basically basically rip

638
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: Buffa walked this way and then just turning it. You know,

639
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: but I think I was like, we should see some

640
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: Odo song. It was just, you know, we could be

641
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: listening to a lot of stuff, like we picked that one. Okay,

642
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: did you make a good amount of money from that record?

643
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: I worked for Rick Rubin. How much money you think

644
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: I made? Okay, let's go back to the least have

645
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: those things? Uh, it makes like a catalytic converter. I'm

646
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: not sure I get to joke about the catalytic. They

647
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: camp downright, tamp down what you can make, you know,

648
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: like or whatever. He's like a governor where they call

649
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: those things like some cars, like like rented cars. I

650
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: have to think, called a governor back and we let

651
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: you go over sixty five or something that I know

652
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: I did. Okay, I look, I did. Fine. You know

653
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: she'll ever get paid on it? Oh yeah I did.

654
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: Of course it didn't be today. No, I don't think so.

655
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: I mean, he's I don't know. Every now and then

656
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: a check shows up, he's moved. He's moved the label

657
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: four times, so who knows? You know. Okay, let's start

658
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: at the beginning. Where where was your born? And you know,

659
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: for the chechen Chong song. What's that? Do you know?

660
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: That chechen song? Song? Exit forty three? Long Island where

661
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: I grew up. You know, I grew up in Connecticut.

662
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm not super Long Island. So my I was going, well,

663
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: let's see, Um, I was born in Valley Stream and

664
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: then we moved to Siuset when I was young. My dad,

665
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: Greek immigrant, came over when his fifteen didn't speak any language,

666
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: married my mom when he was eighteen maybe she was.

667
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: It's funny. We had our fiftieth anniversary. We did the math, like,

668
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: wait a minute, was seventeen my mom's seventeen was? You

669
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: got married? Like? But she turned eighteen shortly after, so

670
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: he was I think he was twenty maybe or night

671
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: he was like nineteen and they got married. Their children,

672
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: you know, getting married, might have an older brother's four

673
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: years old, four years older. Um, just the two of you,

674
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: just the two of us. So okay, So your mother

675
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: she Greek, yeah really, but she better through the network

676
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: he met yeah exactly, he met food, food church or whatever.

677
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: You know, somehow they knew and um, it's funny. I mean,

678
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: I find an interesting. Some people don't don't follow me

679
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: when I say this, but it's right. It's both my

680
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: grandfather's were born in America as a turn of the

681
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: century and taking back to Greece's infants. That makes and

682
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: no one knew and I my dad's dad died when

683
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: he was like three. He never really knew him. And

684
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: my mom's dad, I always asked him Babu was Greek

685
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: for grandfather, like boo, what happened? Goes I was a baby,

686
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: you know, one told me why. I don't know, like

687
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: he has no no one has any memory of why

688
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: they were he was he was he was born in Michigan,

689
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: and my other grandfather was born like in Massachusetts. And

690
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: then they went back, which is strange. Maybe they came

691
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: and they didn't thing that people went back. Not really,

692
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: it's so odd, you know, it's very odd. So my

693
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: dad technically wasn't I guess he was born in American

694
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: citizens He didn't go through Ellis Island, but he came

695
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: over on the boat a fifteen in the in the

696
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: fourth in the you know, in the four years, late

697
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: fifties whatever. Do you have a heavy Greek association personally? Uh? Yeah,

698
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of it's ingrained to you when

699
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: you're a kid. You know, it's it's um, it's interesting,

700
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: it's it's very much about the church, and it's not

701
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: necessary religion. It's just the church is like a social center,

702
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, and that's what it is. And you know,

703
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: and my dad was a dyner owner of course, because

704
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: we're Greek, so you have a you have a whole

705
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: network of diner owners and and those are your friends.

706
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't think my parents had many

707
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: other out you know, until maybe we had the neighbors

708
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: for Ferrars. They were Italians. I was okay, but outside

709
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: of like, didn't have any friends who were in Greek,

710
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He's like, not just by whatever, okay,

711
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: other than having these roots, are there anything you do

712
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: today that is Greek associated? Just eat? My mom sends

713
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: me spinash pie and I and I get a lot

714
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: of mileage out of that. Um this my secret man

715
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 1: camp where I go. Um, Bob we are came by.

716
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: We had dinner and I gave him a piece of

717
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: the spinach pie and he's like, I said, oh, Boab,

718
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: you gotta try this. My mom made it. He's eating

719
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: it now. You know, if you seem Bob, he has

720
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: like he looks at he's got that joant. He's like,

721
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 1: you know what, spinish pie is very flaky. He's got

722
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: a flake of Philo doll over his mouth. He's like,

723
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: did your mother really make this? Like yes, Bob, He's

724
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: like it's quite delicious. And I said, well you know

725
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: what you're tasting, Bob. He's like no, I said, that's love.

726
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,239
Speaker 1: So you know, that's that's the thing. I mean, that's

727
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: why I'm so fat, because she just wants they just

728
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: forced food and they come out twice a year and

729
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: refrigerator becomes you know, like there's only a limit to

730
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: how much we can fit in your mom, I'll make

731
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: a room, I'll make room, and they still just want

732
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: to feed me. Is We were having Christmas dinner a

733
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: while back, like twenty years ago, and he's like yeah,

734
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: and they were talking, you know, we haven't talking, and

735
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: then yeah, Peter stopped eating and Peters my brother, Like

736
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: Peter stopped eating? What do you guys do? And my

737
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: mom was like, we took the plate. We took his plate,

738
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 1: we put in front of you. You You ate all the food,

739
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: you're happy, you know, Like I was three, How do

740
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: I know if I this stuff in my so that's

741
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: probably why that's the most Greek thing about me is

742
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: probably food and guilt. Now, your wife is not Greek. No,

743
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: she's what you call like Senny's non Greek or um

744
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: I guess. I remember we got married married twenty years

745
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: and um so we've been together for like nine before that.

746
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: And he said, you know, we should probably get married,

747
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: like sounds good. I said, I want a big church

748
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: wedding and she's like, shut up. You know she knows me.

749
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I said, no, I want a

750
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: big church wedding. She's like, I don't understand. I said,

751
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: not for me. But if we don't get married in

752
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: the Greek church, your life is not going to be

753
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, you you my mother will make you miserable

754
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: and you should live the day you'll regret it. So

755
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: we go down to the gi Me the Saint Sophia is.

756
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: It's great. They do a Greek festival, which is the

757
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 1: best thing. If you've been to a Greek festival. Well,

758
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 1: I've been to a Greek I've been to a Greek festival.

759
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: We're saying, Sophia. It's kind of like Normandy and uh Pico.

760
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: And there's a place called Papa Cristo's across the street.

761
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: You've been there. It's like a Greek restaurant and they

762
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: do boils and tyd of cheat. It's great and it's

763
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: the end of the summer. You should go. It's it's

764
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: a good festival. So we go down there and um

765
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 1: talking to the priest and telling him, you know whatever,

766
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: and my wife's Roman Cathy at least, that she's bad.

767
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: They've even baptized, Like, yeah, she's been baptized. He's like,

768
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: and he tries to upsell it right away. Have you

769
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: thought about the Greek religion and it's blah blah blah blah.

770
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: And my wife's great eight aunt is a litizable. So

771
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: this is Greek Orthodox is Greek Orthox, which is basically

772
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: because the right next to me in a high school,

773
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: Spiro had the us, he had the locker, and his

774
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: father was the priest at the Greek Orthodox church. Well,

775
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: that's what's nice is that it's so when they broke off,

776
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: I came up with the rules of It's it's pretty

777
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: much similar, except this too. Like the two main difference

778
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: of priests can marry, which means it's you're much more normal.

779
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: You can be much more normal. Um, the archbishop isn't

780
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: for the archbishop is the first among equals, they say,

781
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: So it's not like he's the only one who God talks.

782
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: It was like, if anything happens, we all looked at him,

783
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: he'll tell he'll take us all on the you know, Like,

784
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: so which is I think it's a nice sentiment. And

785
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: it's something to do with the Jewish calendar. We can't

786
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: have Easter till have to pass Over, because I guess

787
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: pass Over was the last last supper was a pass

788
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: over dinner. But um, so he's like tying upseller and

789
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: my great her great aunt is a littlebath seat you

790
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: know that is Seaton Hall University. Yeah, she's the first.

791
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: She's the first. I just changed the name. The guy

792
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: gave all the money. I think that's the one further

793
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: down she's But sister Mary Liveath Seaton was the first

794
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: American CANNONI st So I'm like, oh, her great auntswer

795
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: Mary of the seat, and you know it's like I

796
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: will table it. She can get married. It's fine, you like,

797
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, mess with that. So let's stopped for one second.

798
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: You went Greek Orthodox? Are you a believer? I don't know.

799
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: So you okay, I'm not gonna push that, do you.

800
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I don't know what. I

801
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen, you know. Okay, so you

802
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: do get what Barry did the Greek Orthodox just to

803
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: make it so we could come home. There's this thing

804
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: called stefana, which is they put these have you been

805
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: to Greek weddings that three hours long? But they put

806
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: these crowns on your head and they go back and

807
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: forth everything three times, three times, and Stephanas these these

808
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: two crowns that they marry you with. Um As call

809
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 1: my mom in the car, like, okay, we just brought

810
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: some sides. You. Oh, we're getting married next week, but

811
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: no one's coming. I don't care. As long as you're

812
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: getting married at church, makes no difference to me. And

813
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: that was the end of it, you know. So so

814
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: they didn't even come out for the wedding thing on

815
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: the phone. Wedding we just got it was my brother

816
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: was on his way to Nagao for some reason for

817
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: the Winter Olympics, and her sister was in Texas, and

818
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: you just need you need someone to stand up for you.

819
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: There's just the four of us on a Thursday afternoon,

820
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, getting married in the morning. In the morning

821
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: was empty when we left. So what did your brother do?

822
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: He's in advertising, he was, so I feel bad. So

823
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: you have kids, you have brothers, no two sisters, so

824
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: he's older. And then my dad went from restaurants apply

825
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: to this, I mean this is this is just for

826
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: meeting you. But he went from restaurants supplies to restaurants,

827
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: I mean only restaurants, a restaurants supply business. And my

828
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: mom's brother was his partner. And then my mom's brother

829
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: had midlife price, So you want to go to law

830
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: school at age forty or whatever. And he thought, well,

831
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: we'll just sell the business. And you know, my dad,

832
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: my dad was still a young man. He's like, I'm

833
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: not gonna retire. What are we gonna do? So my

834
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: brother got kind of he just finished college. He got

835
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: suckered into it, and he got trapped in a family business.

836
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: And while that was happening, is when I was out

837
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: moving in California, I was sending it. But he TV's

838
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: gotta have, you know, platinum records, and like, you know,

839
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: and I felt bad. He got stuck at the things.

840
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: So he's an AVERTI you work with Donnie Deutsch for

841
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: a long time. Um, he set up like a company

842
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: with this like urban um d Rush, this urban Donnie

843
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: Deutsch thing. And then well how did in with the

844
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: family business? Eventually my dad retired, so my my brother

845
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: came in for about he's stuck there about ten years

846
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: and then you know, and then my dad just kind

847
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: of got rid of it. But was there any money

848
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: when he sold it? Yeah? Absolutely? Okay, they had the

849
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: condo in Florida. We still have the building. They had

850
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: the condo in Florida with all the other Greek owners

851
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: in Fort Laura Dale, which they still have the house.

852
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: I grew up in Sais you know, so there's snowbirds

853
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: they call it. Okay, So your father owned a diner

854
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: until you were how old? Uh? Teenager? May just a

855
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: twelfth thirteen? And then he had this restaurant. How close

856
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: was the diner to your house? Up five minutes? Okay?

857
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: Did your mother work in the diner? So? How much

858
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: were you in the diner? I was I was just

859
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: to feel potatoes. I'd still put me in the back,

860
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: turn over a big like fifty gallon cauldron and give

861
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: me a stack of potatoes. I said, there peeled potatoes.

862
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: My dad was like, you know, he he left the

863
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: house at fourth three in the morning. It was a weird.

864
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 1: We'd always have dinners a family, because breakfast and lunch

865
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: was really in the dinner. It was. It wasn't like

866
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: a four hour kind of vibe. It was more like

867
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: a right next to the train station. So it's a

868
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: lot of breakfast, a lot of lunch, and then my

869
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 1: dad would come home, we'd have dinner as of family.

870
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: My mom would go and close up, and and then

871
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: my dad would fall We watched Courtravettie's father and he

872
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: fall asleep in the lazy boy and I had to

873
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 1: wake him up, and then it all started over again.

874
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: If we went out, like on a Sunday night U

875
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: to like a church dance, we'd go to the dinner,

876
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: he'd open it up and start making the muffins, you know,

877
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: at midnight whatever, and he sometimes he didn't sleep there.

878
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, it's it's a blood business.

879
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's a real restaurant business in general, but

880
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: it would be the type of thing that you kind

881
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: of owned the place. You'd go and say, hey, you

882
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: don't want a cheeseburger. My mom had no idea how

883
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: to shop for you know, forever, because she took everything

884
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: out of the wall again from the thing, and you

885
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: know we'd have to stay. You know, it's come home

886
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: another thing, like I come up from school. Hey, I

887
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: think I come home with Tim whatever, my friend, and

888
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna do band practice in the basement. Whatever. He

889
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: got hungry man? All right, something small? All right, I'll

890
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: make you some steaks. You know. It's like you know

891
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: it didn't you know we had a deep fry in

892
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: our house. It's like, you know, so was that kind

893
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: of thing? Okay, So let's turn to music. Were you

894
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: a big music fan from growing up? Yeah? I loved it,

895
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: you know was um it's funny. Uh. I think I

896
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: told you I've met all Beatle I met all four Beatles.

897
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that story, right, so, uh George Paul

898
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: and Ringo event later. You know, once I was out here.

899
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: But I met John as a kid at Walt Disney World. Again,

900
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: I was young. It was like seventy one, I want

901
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: to say, right when they were breaking up. I think

902
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: it's it's documented somewhere. How do you meet John Lennon

903
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: at Disney at the Polynesian Hotel, at the buffet of

904
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: what was she doing there? He was there with Julian,

905
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: there with Julian. I think I'm pretty sure it was Yoko.

906
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: Some people think maybe it's made paying I can't. I

907
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: have to do the research again. But that's where he was.

908
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: That's where he signed his disillusion papers for the Beatles.

909
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: But um so, my brother, like I said, my brothers

910
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: four years older than me, and I knew the Beatles

911
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: kind of from the cartoons, and I like the music

912
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: and whatever. But I'm online and all of sudden he's

913
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: all he's not, you know, on top of me. He's

914
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: like sausages. Like every time, every time I put some

915
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: on my plate, he was like, he's like pancake. I'm

916
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: like in the accent. It was just it was all

917
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: too much. Like I had never met a British person,

918
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: you know, when I was like five, maybe four, I

919
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: was four, maybe four or five whatever, like this guy

920
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: who he is whatever? Okay, maybe it's a little seven

921
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: of it. Okay, he's like, oh, potatoes, potatoes, potato, like

922
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: like like yeah, potatoes, you know, And I'm not gonna

923
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: lie to you. Always been a fat kid, So I

924
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: got back to the table and we're sitting like one

925
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: table over from them. My parents aren't just freaked out

926
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: because they were working. It didn't really you know, it

927
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: wasn't like as much of them. And my brother grabs,

928
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: He's like, what were you saying? Dude? What were you saying?

929
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: And I like, I don't know. I just started crying

930
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: at the table, like I lost my ship at the

931
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: table and just I was crying and like, what do

932
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: you say? What are you saying? Leave your brother lane?

933
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: What do you say? Like? Who is that guy? Like

934
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: my Dad's like who is this guy? You know? Like

935
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: and so then they had this man made lagoon. Will

936
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: you do these like power boats? And that was with

937
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: my dad in the power boat and lending comes like hey, sausages,

938
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: and my dad's like, who's your friend? So that was funny.

939
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 1: But music can ask if you remember four years old

940
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: he was sent I think I was six or seven? Okay?

941
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: Could he walk around freely? Yeah? It was like it

942
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: was I don't know. I guess he was who knows,

943
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: but man, I don't think anybody with him. But I

944
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: think my mom would get these um like Dick Clark

945
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: records and it and like twenty twenty fifties tracks aside,

946
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: and I would listen to those constantly Earth Angels and

947
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: she's just saying Earth Agel to me, and I got like,

948
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: I really had to Simon and Garfunkel when I was like, ah,

949
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: like Cecilia was a big one for me, and I

950
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: just loved it. And then I started playing drums. My

951
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: brother got a drum step for Christmas. Of course I

952
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: want to play drums. He but he was, you know,

953
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: fourteen and I was ten, and uh so he started lessons.

954
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: I started lessons. I started getting pretty good, and then

955
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: I'm on eleven and twelve. I'm like eleven, twelve year old,

956
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: and don't want to play with me in the junior

957
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: high band because I'm I'm still in grade school. So

958
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: that Christmas, I'm like, I want a bass guitar. I

959
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: had no idea what it was was I want a

960
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: bass guitar because I knew every band had a bass player,

961
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: and so they got me a bass player for I

962
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: think about six or seventh grade that Christmas, and by

963
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: January I was in four bands because oh, you play,

964
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: you gotta be in our band, man, you know. So

965
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: that's and then I turned over to bass, and then

966
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: I never looked back. No, you did you take piano

967
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: lessons as a kid, I took I just took drum

968
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: lessons and bass lessons. Basically I'm not taking I mean,

969
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: I can fake it pretty good. I can pick out

970
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: the notes. I can I can read a little bit,

971
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: but I'm not I'm not a highly skilled musician. So

972
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: when you're in a high school, you're playing in bands

973
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: and playing a couple of bands. And played Max when

974
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: I was sixteen, Maxes, Kansas City. Yeah, yeah, what what

975
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: kind of music were played? We were a silly pomp band.

976
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: It was kind of crazy. We played a biker night

977
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: at Max's and they loved it. They thought we were cute.

978
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: You know, you've been to Max's back. So they middle

979
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: of those long tables like those my ar lead singer

980
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: kind of walked out table like songs like they dreamer

981
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: dream like these little kids, and like they got to

982
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: kick out of it. Played Max's different lounge in the city,

983
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: my father's place, and I'll remember my father in Roslyn.

984
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: We played a bunch of un like the place called

985
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: Uncle Sam's. Also, rather that there was a competing place.

986
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: We played a bunch of these places when we were

987
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: still young, very young, we were I mean, we're okay.

988
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: We had one guy who was Phili Bono, sweet guy.

989
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: His dad was uh in charge. He had an air

990
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: freight company at the airport. If I mean that's all

991
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: I need okay, Oh yeah. He was in and he

992
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: was in summer camp for most of Phil's childhood. He

993
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: was away at summer camp um and he kind of

994
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: funded everything, Like we get we had a great gear,

995
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: we had a truck, we had like lighting things. So

996
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: we're very we're very pro. That's pretty serious. And was

997
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: there a dream we all thought were gonna, you know,

998
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: let's do it. He was. He was a songwriter, and

999
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: I kind of it's where I started, Like he was

1000
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: a songwer. I kind of would range it and say, look,

1001
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 1: we can't just be playing the same four songs, important

1002
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: chords all the time. We gotta do something different. And

1003
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: this is Petty became really influential to me. Like Dan

1004
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: the Torpedoes wreck it came out and I was like,

1005
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: I really studied that, and like we had a bridge.

1006
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: We need to say something interesting, we need this. So

1007
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: I started arranging these songs and that's what became that's

1008
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: what led me to be want to be you know production. Okay,

1009
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: so you're in the high school, you graduated from high

1010
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: school and then what go to n y U, which

1011
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: is okay, but why n y you? It's a good story. Again,

1012
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: I might be boring you. But so I applied to

1013
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: m y U because I had this music business program,

1014
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 1: which is kind of a morphous and weird. It wasn't

1015
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: the Clive Davis School. It was a it was a

1016
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 1: dual major you can do. It was music and business.

1017
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: I play to use l A because I wanted to

1018
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: go to California. It was it's a dream. And you know,

1019
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: you live out the East coast Boston University because it

1020
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: was it wasn't music college town at a time, and

1021
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 1: I think Syracuse and my brother went there and then

1022
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: in the in the spring, whenever he finds out where

1023
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: they're going, it's like, I got it to this this.

1024
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: I got to see my guidance counselor, Mr McMahon. I said, hey, MGA,

1025
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: what's happened? He goes goes. Oh, I didn't send anything.

1026
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: You think I didn't send anything out? Where do you

1027
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: want to go? I said, Well, at this point, I

1028
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: guess y U you know because I've gone I've been

1029
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: going to the city and playing in the city. He's like, okay,

1030
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: you go at any whet you We'll go to the

1031
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: Chinese restaurant, bring your mother, we'll talk about it. Pools

1032
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: a public school by this gets this gets weird. I

1033
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: go to his office. He goes, all right, we go

1034
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: getting his Dodge Dart, late model Dodge Dart, no license

1035
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: player like. Mr McMahon goes because don't worry. They know

1036
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: who I am. You know who I am, right, George.

1037
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, you'm Mr McMahon, my guy, that's counsel.

1038
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: But you know right. I'm like, okay, goes through a

1039
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: stop sign. He's like, they saw him. You don't worry

1040
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: about it. Then starts telling me the story of falling down.

1041
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: No Bruce like, I'm kind of following it. I'm like, okay,

1042
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: he goes because you know who I am, right, he's Jesus.

1043
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: He thinks he's Jesus. We get to the restaurant. I'm

1044
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: umen parking a lot, ma'am. I see that someone with

1045
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: the baby. I see the baby have nothing but happiness,

1046
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: enjoying with this baby. Is that blah? Blah blah. See George,

1047
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: I kne who I am. I'm white and freaking out.

1048
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: My mom's already this Chinese restaurant called Moers, which is

1049
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: a great Chinese restaurant in the the Woodberry Commons. We sit down, Sophie,

1050
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: your son is this blah blah blah blah blah. He starts.

1051
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 1: He starts giving a sermon. Basically, he has a glass

1052
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: of wine. I call it, you know, I like, this

1053
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: is my but and I was like, oh, he's such

1054
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: a good boy. You know, we don't get him done with.

1055
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: You get Sophie. I promise you're gonna George tell your

1056
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: mother you you're on in respect them. Okay, great, I

1057
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: don't need anything. Mom's eating the whole time. I take

1058
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: my food to go. We get in the car and

1059
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: my mom's like, you were very hungry. What happened? I go,

1060
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: did you hear what the guy was saying? Oh, he's

1061
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: out of his mind? But we're going to n y U.

1062
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: You're head to say that we're in. A week later,

1063
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: he gets committed. We got n y U. Somehow I

1064
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: have no idea to the state. It's mystery because I

1065
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: wanted to do like a short film about I think

1066
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: it's like a really interesting film about guidance counsel of things.

1067
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: He's Jesus and you get you. He gets committed. We

1068
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: get a down Yu, and then the rest of decision

1069
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: is another funny story when we get down why you?

1070
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: But just it's funny that you said that this was today,

1071
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: I'd be in therapy. We probably owned the land that

1072
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: sizz the school district was not you know that we'd

1073
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: have a huge settlement, you know, I mean like, and

1074
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: I called my mother, She's like, I don't know. But

1075
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: he got in YU, So I guess we got you that.

1076
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: I get the n y U. And I see this guy,

1077
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: Professor Broderick this September, you know, being later early September,

1078
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: dog days of New York City. He's got a blue blaze.

1079
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: He's like a jazz hipster. Let's say Mr Burns kind

1080
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: of with gray hair, tall, like six four like Hi,

1081
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: Professor Brodrick, George Culius, first year you know this music

1082
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: busy program? He runs it. What should I take? He

1083
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 1: looks at me. He opens like a steelcase test takes

1084
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: out a a tall boy and a round taper back.

1085
00:49:58,520 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: This is how long has it been sitting so it's

1086
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: piss warm. I was up takes a few stive because

1087
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: hey man, I don't know you had that take whatever

1088
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: turns you on. So this is great. This is the

1089
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: best school in the world. So for two years I

1090
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: took like film class, like some biology for like for

1091
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: med students, like I just picked these things. He gets

1092
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: retired somehow, they call me to the teen's office, Mr

1093
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: colis what we've been doing here for two years? Like

1094
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: hey man, just taking what turns me on? Like well,

1095
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: you have like three credit stores, this weird major that

1096
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: doesn't really exist, and this and that. It was like

1097
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: through the So they put me back on track, but

1098
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: I didn't. I went four years, but I didn't graduate,

1099
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: and I want my degree. If I've now that it's

1100
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: the Clive Davis School of whatever. I talytically if you

1101
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: were to go back, how much school they say you short?

1102
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: I think probably about a year and a half or

1103
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: something that, um it's funny. Uh. I had someone looking

1104
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: up and they were like like, oh man, no problem, Like,

1105
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: oh man, I think you got like a year and

1106
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: a half. It's just too much and this and that.

1107
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 1: So I haven't really and by the time to be Honest,

1108
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: my third year school, I was already working, you know,

1109
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: we were stopped really going to class, would be in

1110
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: the studio four or five in the morning, and you know,

1111
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: so it was but senior I was really coming at all.

1112
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: So I don't blame them. It's not like, Okay, so

1113
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: you're in there, you're in this program, when do you

1114
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: meet your compatriots? Um? I went out with a girl

1115
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: that Rick dated Reuben, and then he was the social

1116
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 1: committee chairman, which meant they gave him a couple hundred

1117
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: bucks every three months to throw a party. And he'd

1118
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: get as much cheap grain alcohol you can get, and

1119
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: I get like a like a hip hop DJ or

1120
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: somebody to come down. And this was how long after

1121
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: we're going to n y U. This is my junior year. Okay,

1122
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: this is this is my junior year. And then um, yeah,

1123
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: so he'd throw these parties and I just started helping him,

1124
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: you know, d help him DJ and Karen Crates whatever,

1125
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: and then he but he was hiring a DJ. He

1126
00:51:54,200 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: wasn't DJJ. He was the DJ. And then he have

1127
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: but then you have guests, you have guest people come

1128
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: and scratch whatever, blah blah blah, so helping the crates

1129
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: and talent whatever. And then so what year we in

1130
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: eight five, eight four, I started eighty two and um,

1131
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: and then he put out this record call It's Yours

1132
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: A little bit slower You're coming. You're have a nexus

1133
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: with him. At the time he's throwing these parties, he's

1134
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: also starting to put out records. He had made one

1135
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: record that he that that he with this guy called

1136
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: Tela Rock and this DJ called Jazz J called It's Yours.

1137
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: It had n't been out yet, and it went out

1138
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: went out that summer. There was one of those things

1139
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: you heard everywhere, wasn't on the radio, you know, was

1140
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: that you heard every car, every every boom box. You know,

1141
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: let's be clear. Is that because you know, if that

1142
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: things don't happen by themselves. Was Rick working at that hard? No,

1143
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: it was. It was a natural. It was a very natural.

1144
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: It was a zeitgeist of hip hop at that moment.

1145
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: It was a great beat. The this guy Tiler Rock

1146
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: had an amazing voice, um, interesting lyrics. You know, it

1147
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: was just it just took hold. It is magical. It's

1148
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: one of those things that there was no you know,

1149
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: no one's working at really he had it, So that's

1150
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: what That was the first def Chan release, but def

1151
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: Chan wasn't really a label yet. It was the def

1152
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: Chaan release through Party Time, which was Mars Leavey. So

1153
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: I never got exactly, you never got paid. And then

1154
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: he met Rick Russell thought that was I thought Rick

1155
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: was a black person. So he's like, I'm gonna meet

1156
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: this guy Rick Ruben. They met each other. Now Russell

1157
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: was doing what Russell was managing run the MC and producer.

1158
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: He was a producer also and he was managing them,

1159
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: and he was he's runs you know, he runs brother

1160
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: so okay, but he's not going in why are you?

1161
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: He lives at the FRAC City. He's older than us.

1162
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: He was at City. He's a couple years older. I

1163
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: think when the Queen's College was dropped out um they

1164
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: started label and the first official release was it was

1165
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: l L Cool j Um. So that's when I kind

1166
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: of went all time. So I took it. You're dating

1167
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 1: his ex girlfriend, you're helping him with the social parties.

1168
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: How do you become all of a sudden invested in

1169
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: all this ship. Yeah, it's all about the hang. That's

1170
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: my masket. But not everybody knows he's gotta be cool

1171
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: like you gotta be you know, you gotta be you

1172
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 1: gotta be easy person to be around, and you gotta

1173
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: have you gotta have input, and plus you had it

1174
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: was a head of hands. Back then, Um, everything was.

1175
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: There's no computers, so everything was manual. So if you

1176
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: listen to these old records, these these first eight death

1177
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 1: Jam records, and basically just a drum machine, a guy

1178
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: yelling and some scratching. There's not much more music involved

1179
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: than that. But if you wanted, if you want to,

1180
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: if you just want the high hat to play, you

1181
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: have physically mute everything else, so you need his hands

1182
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: on the deck. So everything was like everything was manual

1183
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: that It's hard to explain it, but it was. It

1184
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: took a couple of people to work the desk because

1185
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: all right, he comes break, you need to kick drum,

1186
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: who's on kick drump, you're on kick drump? You know

1187
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: who's on scrap that kind of thing, so you have

1188
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: to and then you'd added pieces together and so it

1189
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: was it was a more uh kind of like that.

1190
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: And then the student I knew music, you know, so

1191
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: that was like another thing, and you know, that's it

1192
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: just became you just started running around them. You started

1193
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: run around the best, the beasts and stuff like that,

1194
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: and just go to the studio and help. Were you

1195
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: a hip hop fan? I loved soul music. I loved

1196
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: old black music, the blue stuff like that. So through that,

1197
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: you know, that was like the new that was the

1198
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: newest black music, you know, So you were a fan

1199
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: of the music stuff we were doing and the stuff. Okay,

1200
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: so now they start deaf jam. I mean, you're you're

1201
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: an official employee. What I'm a I'm a I'm getting

1202
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm getting college credit. I'm not getting I think I'm

1203
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: not getting paid, of course not. But I have three

1204
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: or four jobs. Is the college radio promo guy? I

1205
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: was ah, I did sales and I answered the phones

1206
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. When it was basically Rick Rick

1207
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: dorm room. So and I had different people. I also

1208
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: made different people to be those things. So when I

1209
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: was calling up, I can't remember the names that I had,

1210
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: like Donald Trump, Yeah, yeah, I'm John John whatever yeah,

1211
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,479
Speaker 1: um uh So I would call and then I would

1212
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: also be responsible for getting for shipping labels. So you'd

1213
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: make this Let's give you the quick story. So you

1214
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: go to the studio, which this is another thing that

1215
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: was I think I might have told you the story,

1216
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: but it was very You knew kind of right away

1217
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: where the record was working. You'd go to the studio,

1218
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: make a record. You cut an ascetate, go to this guy, Um,

1219
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: who's the guy boom boom boom gardener that we had

1220
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: a guy in New York, Herbie Herbie Powers. Maybe this guy.

1221
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: You get an a state smell like a bowling ball,

1222
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: which is great. You just didn't smell it all day.

1223
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: You go to the Roxy two in the morning, three

1224
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: in the morning. I asked the guy to play. You

1225
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: go to up to the d J booth. He played

1226
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: this for us. He put it on. He's like, all right,

1227
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: wait around, he'd wait around, he put it on. You're

1228
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: sitting up on top, you're looking down the dance floor.

1229
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: Record comes on and you watch and if people walked

1230
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: off weren't interested, you knew this is not ready, this

1231
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: is not a record we should put out. People like

1232
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: looked up to the DJ booth went what's you know?

1233
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: Because also the thing with Hippop, it's all about the

1234
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: new which was interesting, which is fun. This is really

1235
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: not what my personality is. But it's also about the

1236
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: newest record, the newest thing, the freshest to flow. You know.

1237
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: That was like it was very much and not knowing

1238
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: what was coming next. So like play a record, they

1239
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: look up, give you the you know, like give you

1240
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: like put your hands in the kind of people get excited,

1241
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: like all right, this record is ready to go. Let's

1242
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: press it. Who's money were you using? So Rick Rick's

1243
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: dad was the baby shoot king of Long Island Total

1244
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: you know south Shore, you know, new money kind of

1245
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: thing that does anything wrong, you know. I was saying,

1246
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: it's like, um, so from that point, okay, we're gonna

1247
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,959
Speaker 1: make this thing. We had these labels. Labels were printed

1248
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, but the pressing plant was in Jersey. So

1249
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: I'd go to Brooklyn on the subway, get two boxes

1250
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: of five thousand label whatever it's five thousand labels, take

1251
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: them the Port Authority put him on a bus to

1252
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: New Jersey and they'd go to the plant and then

1253
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: the plant would send to test pressings back and I

1254
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: go back to the Port Authority, wait for the wait

1255
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: for the Union bus to come in. Take that and

1256
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: then I would take it down. We'd give us to

1257
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: DJs and stuff. Like that. And then we had we

1258
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: had an official distributor in New York who was like,

1259
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: because indies, they didn't pay you to you put the

1260
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: next record out. So there was a there was a

1261
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: there's a place what's that called. So we'd have one

1262
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: official place in Long Island City that would handle all

1263
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: the stuff and they would they would order directly from

1264
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: the plant once we once the record without and but

1265
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: then we get two boxes and sell it on the

1266
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: sly to this woman uh Pearl on like eleventh Avenue

1267
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: in the forties, and she would buy for cash and

1268
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: she just go cash and my job was to go

1269
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: drop him off there and you have to cash. But

1270
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: back then it was all training hookers that area. It

1271
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: wasn't like as hip as it is now. And so

1272
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: I take a subway there or whatever. I walk over

1273
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: with these two boxes and then I had like five

1274
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: in all his money. I put it down my pants

1275
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: and I treat myself to a cab to get home.

1276
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: So that was the beginning. That was the first eight records.

1277
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: There were these twelve inches and then uh Steve Bounci

1278
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: signed def Jam as a label. So who signed Jeff

1279
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: Steve Abowski? Oh, Steve Roboski d okay. He signed def

1280
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: Jam as a label to Columbia and then they started.

1281
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: They kind of took over the stuff, and then the

1282
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: first album was Yellow Cool J Record Radio, which again

1283
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: like you kind of know. So I'm coming out from

1284
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: Black Rock. I've got a bunch of cassettes now, and

1285
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: I'm walking down the street. I'm on Fifth Avenue. I

1286
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: see these two kids who are carrying a boom box

1287
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: that's twice there, black Rock the CBS, but black Rock

1288
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: CBS building. And these two kids are like sharing a

1289
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: boom box, this giant radio and the cover of the

1290
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: cool Radio, which is basically the radio. And so I

1291
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: see these two guys and they listen to something whatever.

1292
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I'm like, I'm like, hey, hand.

1293
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: They look at me first, I think I'm weird. I'm

1294
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: like hand in a cassette. It's a local J. They

1295
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: look at it, they see the radio. They look back

1296
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: up at me, like what's happening here? Exactly to look

1297
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: at the thing. Took out their cassette, put this cassette in,

1298
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: shut it, and I think rock the Bells is the

1299
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: first track. L L cool J is hardest. Let me

1300
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: hit play. They both looked down at the radio, they

1301
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: looked at me, put the radio on their shoulder. Then

1302
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: they were happy, and I remember I went back down.

1303
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: I went back to the dorm room like l is

1304
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: going to blow up, Like why do you say that? Said,

1305
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: I just gave these two kids. They couldn't be like

1306
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: they were like twelve fourteen, and they just put it

1307
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: on it, said they It was the happiest of this.

1308
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: And at this point Rob Botski was a club. He's

1309
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: a director of Vice Spread Vice Prevor or whatever the

1310
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: titles of Colombia. So that was the That was the

1311
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: first album, the first Deep Channel album, and there was

1312
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: I think it's the first rapt record to go gold,

1313
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: maybe first album to go gold. Okay what came after?

1314
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: And it was the best twelve inch which is pretty fun.

1315
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: And then the BC's album Okay, how did the Beast?

1316
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: You weren't the BC's on tour with Madonna before that

1317
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: album because it was a single. They they've done these

1318
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: two singles, um and she took them. I had to

1319
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: say to her credit, you know, we'd see around and

1320
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: she was cool. You know, she took them and she

1321
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: was even when they want to get I mean he's

1322
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: uh m c a. It was the greatest, you know, yeah,

1323
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: I mean they would they would practice their routine. They

1324
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: practice the routines at thet our dorm in the basement.

1325
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: But I remember I went to see a show. It's like,

1326
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, I've been all around the world and this

1327
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: is Madonna. This is like a virgin's over every girl's

1328
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen in the audiences. Like I've been around all that,

1329
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: I've been around this motherfucker. I can tell you right now.

1330
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: There's no pussy like Boston like, and the kids are

1331
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: hard five. It's like, you know, like get these people.

1332
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: Like there's so many complaints, but she kept them, and that,

1333
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: uh the best was the end of the tour was

1334
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: at the Garden and I went out and got a

1335
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: bunch of super soakers and during her set they ran

1336
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: on and they were underwear and they hosed her down

1337
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: with Then that was like a big That was a

1338
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: big event. Okay, do you have any idea license to

1339
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: It was gonna be so gigantic. Again, I think we're

1340
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: just making me. You know, I was firstfully involved, but

1341
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying I think I sang on. It may played something,

1342
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: but it was like, I think it was so happy.

1343
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: We just make ourselves happy, like there was so it was.

1344
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: I explained to it. It's such a like they were

1345
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: like princes of the city, you know, and somehow just

1346
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: by being in the court, you were like this thing

1347
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: like everything was open to you. Everybody want to talk

1348
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: to you. People come downtown. That's when downtown started coming

1349
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: to these things. And you know, Lauren Hutton and try

1350
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: to pick me up at some club one time, you know,

1351
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: and I was a hundred pounds lighter and a lot cuter,

1352
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: but you know, and it was just a moment. It

1353
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: was a very magical moment. They could do no wrong.

1354
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: You know, they were anointed whatever reason. It was still

1355
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't worldwide, but you just felt good about it.

1356
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: But you had no idea it was gonna don't think

1357
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: you never know, you know, you don't think it's gonna

1358
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: be that crazy. Did you read Did you read the book?

1359
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: Their book? I haven't read it. Yeah, I skimmed it.

1360
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: The books. It's amazing. Get it on tape because they

1361
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: tell a lot of the stories and they have just

1362
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: with my nephew last time. He has the book and

1363
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: the tape. Yeah, I listened It's Funny to a Treat

1364
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: to Vegas, but I never drove the Vegas like I'm

1365
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna specifically go to the Vegas. I can

1366
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: buy this book. Listen to it and you'll hear it.

1367
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: It was a magical time and those I mean, they

1368
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: really were blown up into a crazy world. It didn't

1369
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: affect me as much. But okay, so what else were

1370
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: you working on? There are desk just I mean that

1371
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: we then then we had like some R and B

1372
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: stuff that didn't Wressell started like doing some R and

1373
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: P things, have one that recorded Orange Juice Jones the Rain,

1374
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: so you and him, um and then it kind of

1375
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: and then it just kind of got weird, like you know,

1376
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: the PCs they were gonna make a second you know,

1377
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: Rick and they started to have their thing. We're got

1378
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: funny with the money, as I like to say, and

1379
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: just Rick the movie it just kind of fell apart,

1380
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: you know. Okay, so it fell apart. That's when you

1381
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: go to work at A and M and they go

1382
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: to Capital to Capital, they move out here, right, but

1383
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: they name check you on the record. You are you

1384
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: involved at all? Just you know what rhymes of orange Okay,

1385
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: So going back to the story, you're at A and

1386
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: M Now you moved to California, to California. I moved

1387
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: to California in nine. Okay, Suddenly it was Death American

1388
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: and it was all rock instead of hip hop. Right.

1389
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: The first was Slayer, Right, I think it was Slayer,

1390
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: and then the Crows, a band called Wilf Spain. Maybe. Yeah,

1391
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: it was much more rock. What does that have to

1392
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: say about you know, rude Rick, He's I think he

1393
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: was really enamored with l A. He loved it. We

1394
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: came out, he'd been out here before, like for business

1395
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: or something. And then we came out in eighty six

1396
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:03,439
Speaker 1: to do this um soundtrack to Not the One Andrew

1397
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,439
Speaker 1: McCarthy and and Downey Reddy Stenella's book Less Than Zero.

1398
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 1: So we camped out for about a six weeks at

1399
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: the Montreal and we made a bunch of records during

1400
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: the course of that, and then I think he was

1401
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: really enamored with it. I think also he was making

1402
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: Slayer and making Dance Egg he started making he started

1403
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: really this really was from the island, more of a

1404
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: rock kind of guy. I think he started making those

1405
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: records and the seeing he was incredible. I don't know

1406
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: when you were here, right, you know, walking up and

1407
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: down Sunset handing out flyers. It was I mean, it

1408
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: was incredible. I think he just loved it. You know,

1409
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: he had a porno actress for a girlfriend. You know.

1410
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: It was just he was just loving it. He loved

1411
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: the California lifestyle, he loved driving. I think it reminded

1412
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: him of um Long Island, which is what this is. Really,

1413
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: It's right, that's why. Actually it's a giant it's it's

1414
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: a suburb. It's like Sunset Boulevard is like Sunrise Highway,

1415
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: Long Island. It's the same difference. It's just many more whatever.

1416
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: You keep going and you hit little neighborhoods um So

1417
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: I think he was enamored with it and hearing K

1418
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: and NC was happening, so getting to hear the record

1419
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: he was making on the radio at a Long Beach,

1420
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: so I think he was he was just completely enamored

1421
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: with it. He loved it. Okay, so you come out

1422
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: here in eighty nine to help, but with the label,

1423
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: how do you suddenly become a producer? You know, I

1424
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: would we're working on the records back in the day,

1425
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: you know, I was working on the records with him,

1426
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: and I would always go to the studio UM and hung.

1427
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: You know, you want to be something, you just call

1428
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: yourself that boh okay. So when you were out here

1429
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: with Rick and eight nine, how many people were working

1430
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: for Deaf American? Uh? Just me and Rick. And then

1431
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: it became that I think he hired We distributed through

1432
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: Geffen and they hired Mark Theda, you know Mark. I

1433
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: think Marked was the first hiring. And then maybe another

1434
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: guy from a guy who used to work Kane A.

1435
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: C To help with the radio stuff. And that was

1436
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: like I had an office. UM, we had an off

1437
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: as across the Geffen. There's a pizza place on top

1438
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: of Corey Street that was our office. So I had

1439
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: an office there. Rick never came into the office and

1440
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: he basically worked out of the house. So there maybe

1441
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: three to three people for a long time. Then it

1442
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: kind of grew while then started getting bigger as more

1443
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: so how long did you work with UM? Twelve thirteen years?

1444
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: So how did it end? I don't know if it's over.

1445
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: I guess it's I mean, I think he just keeps

1446
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: he kept moving the label. I think he kind of

1447
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: got less. He started becoming more of a superstar producer.

1448
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: It's and I don't blame him, you know, it's much

1449
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: more fun to make a record with Platinum Max and

1450
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: and Mick Jagger and things like that, you know, And

1451
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: I think kind of the label stuff wasn't as important

1452
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: to him. And he just kept kept moving and it

1453
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: kept getting smaller and smaller. And then you will you

1454
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: do your own things or your wake up wake up

1455
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: one days the Holy ship. There's no company left. No.

1456
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: I was doing other stuff. I was like, Um, I

1457
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: started working on movies Zoolander, there was the first movie,

1458
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: or around with two thousand, two thousand one. Um, I

1459
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 1: did a few record I did a couple records other people. Um,

1460
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 1: you know this is okay. So if the record you produced,

1461
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: what are some of the acts you produced other than

1462
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: the Crows Jayhawks signed them to the label. A band

1463
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: called Freewheelers the time of the label, the record with

1464
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: Miriam McKee. Um uh, girl, Tiff Merritt, you know of

1465
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: then a bunch of English bands. It's a band called

1466
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: Reef did never really happened to have primal scream? Um,

1467
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: coolest shaker, Um, my favorite is this guy Dan pen

1468
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: you know he is of did a record in ninety

1469
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: three or four at Muscle Shoals with the Muscles rhythm section,

1470
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: and they were probably in my age. I thought they

1471
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: were old man, you know, they're probably the early fifties

1472
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: at the time. And that was probably that's that's that

1473
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: was one of the things that it was one of

1474
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: the best experience and one of the worst experiences that

1475
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 1: it kind of ruined me, you know, I mean it's like, Wow,

1476
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: these guys are great, and then I do this record

1477
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: for two weeks down and Muscle shoulds. These guys who

1478
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: were like amazingly listened to each other that you know

1479
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,600
Speaker 1: that And then and I go back, who was It

1480
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: was Barry Beckett, David Hood, It was Hood and Roger

1481
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 1: Roger Um uh, Jimmy Johnson guitar, Reggie Young spooner who

1482
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: was amazing. Yeah, that was like the core group. Uh.

1483
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: And then we cut do Right Women, which is one

1484
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: of the most amazing songs I've ever We had eleven

1485
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: people playing live at one time were like he Damn's

1486
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: playing acous guitar and singing, and two guitar players, had

1487
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 1: the bass drums, had a grand piano, electric piano and

1488
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: an organ all one thing, and it's just it's have

1489
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: you ever heard it? But it's the slowest, funkiest even

1490
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: though it's dead slow, it's just still a groove there.

1491
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: You can hear the air and it's like and it's

1492
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 1: the only it's the only time I cried. I'm talking

1493
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 1: about now I might cry again. It's the only time

1494
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: I cried at work and how to leave the room.

1495
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 1: I was like, this is just too much because it's

1496
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: like these guys all came up together. They were telling

1497
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,560
Speaker 1: me the stories like they were teenagers. They didn't know,

1498
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:00,560
Speaker 1: they didn't know what a world exis, didn't making this

1499
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: greatest music in the world. Wilson Pickett, reather Franklin, and

1500
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: they all come back together to serve this guy Dan,

1501
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:07,640
Speaker 1: who was kind of like the arbor of cool. He

1502
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 1: was a James Dean. He's the first guy to have

1503
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: a song recorded by another round can we twitter? He

1504
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: recorded like a song. He's just like, he's so badass

1505
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: and he's the greatest. That's I love him. If you

1506
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 1: ever get a chance to meet him, he's wonderful. But

1507
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 1: um would they give you any respect? It's funny because um,

1508
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: so I get down there, and uh, I got Joe

1509
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: John Yqwen. So Joe my Cowen sends me down. He's

1510
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: working at Sire at the time. He signs Dan. I'm

1511
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: gonna signed Dan. I'm gonna We're gonna do this one off.

1512
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 1: You go meet him. He lives in Nashville. I'm like,

1513
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 1: happy to I got to Nashville. I go meet to Anne.

1514
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: How you doing great? I just finished the second Crows record.

1515
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 1: We do a little bit of like little dance kind

1516
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: of he has he's great alt text, voice of the theater,

1517
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: speakers in the basement, incredible. He's like, he's like, well,

1518
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: he plays me what he's been doing, and he plays

1519
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: me some demos. Yeah, I don't know. I'm Mackie got

1520
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: a mat Like everybody's like, it's so funny down there.

1521
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: He wants to just keep moving forward, you know, even

1522
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: though and when it was the easiest thing. So you

1523
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: play me a couple of cuts. I'm like, oh, he's

1524
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: a good I said, you know. They go, well, yeah,

1525
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: I gotta play Okay, what have you been doing? So

1526
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: I played him I just finished second Crows record. I

1527
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: played a couple of songs and I play of, um,

1528
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: what's the one my devil My Angel Thorn on my Side.

1529
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: That's the best song on the record. So I planned

1530
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: that because I like, this is a good sounding at

1531
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: least a good more devil my Angel. What the hell

1532
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 1: is this guy talking about? I'm like, I don't know.

1533
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: He goes, he goes, he goes, that's I played some

1534
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: other thing goes. That's probably the best cut you play me,

1535
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: But I just don't know. This is ugly music, man,

1536
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 1: Like I played him like remedies, Like this is just

1537
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: ugly music. What else you got? I finished the first

1538
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: Jayhawks record. I played the song called Crowded in the Wings,

1539
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 1: which is like a soul ballad like Crank. You know,

1540
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 1: it's like it's got the thing, beautiful melody, beautiful story

1541
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: about it, you know, Crowded in the wing, Crowded in

1542
01:11:56,160 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: the wing, What the hell does that mean? I'm like, Oh,

1543
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: the guy who's been standing on the side of the

1544
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: stage all his life, you know, waiting to get it shot. Yeah,

1545
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 1: I guess, but I don't understand this crowded in the Wing,

1546
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:09,719
Speaker 1: like he just kind of like this is going nowhere.

1547
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: He's got a fifty seven Chevy Nomad station way again,

1548
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 1: and like I'm gonna work at up Dan about fifteen

1549
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 1: years now. It's nothing's happening. You can tell. I'm like,

1550
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 1: all right, we have a nice time. I go Damn,

1551
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna be great. Your record is gonna be great. Um,

1552
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 1: so thanks for seeing me. You can't I can't imagine

1553
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: what it's been a thrill um. I'm really excited to

1554
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: go to Muscle Souls tomorrow, and I'm like, I'll see you,

1555
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 1: I'll see I'll see you down the road sometimes. What

1556
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 1: do you mean going to most shoals? I said, Dan,

1557
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: I don't get to this part of the world very often.

1558
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: If I'm three hours from Muscle Souls, I'm going, right,

1559
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,560
Speaker 1: you know I'm going. He goes, all right, did you

1560
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 1: ever read Garlics book Sweet Soul Music. It's a must.

1561
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 1: But there's a whole Muscle Soult thing. He goes, all

1562
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what do you come here? You drive,

1563
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 1: but we take my Cadillac. We'll go to Muscle Souls together.

1564
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 1: Like sounds good to me, Bob. So it's like basically

1565
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, Chico and the Man, We're gonna go

1566
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 1: this road trip. You know. It's like green bodn't seeing

1567
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 1: green Book, but imagine like green books. So I got

1568
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: him next to me and I start pumping him from

1569
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: information even though I know the answers. So how did

1570
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: you write this one? And he's like telling me the story.

1571
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,560
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, that's great, you know. And by the

1572
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 1: time we hit the gas station for the first refill,

1573
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: we stopped and he gets an RC coal and peanuts

1574
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: he hands to me. He puts the peanuts in the colt, like,

1575
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 1: because I don't know what about peanuts and co col

1576
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: this is going to have a treat sensation with drinking

1577
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: Coca cola and peanuts. And he's telling me the stories.

1578
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: We pull them to Florence, which is it's Florence Muscial

1579
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 1: Souls and Sheffield. We pull them through the first town

1580
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: and there was a on the main drag. There was

1581
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: a drug store which they used to write all the

1582
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: songs that this guy docks somebody or whatever. I'm like,

1583
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:41,560
Speaker 1: I was at the drugs. He's like, yeah, that's a

1584
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: drug store. I wrote more songs. And then I want

1585
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: to know we're doing this And we finally get to

1586
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 1: we get to Fame Fame Studios and Dan, what are

1587
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: you doing here? As it going? Oh? Well, you know what,

1588
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: thinking about maybe cutting a record, like, who's your friend, Oh,

1589
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: George Rakolakas you know you know that black he's got

1590
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: that Black crows Like, oh yeah, good record? Here he goes, yeah,

1591
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: because so you're gonna cut Here's like we haven't decided yet,

1592
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, like he's at it all cool again, and

1593
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 1: we had a must the whole sound same thing. We

1594
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: drive back and then I started. Then after I could start,

1595
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: he tells about the the echo chamber. He starts talking about.

1596
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 1: Then you know, we're inside baseball and so you know,

1597
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm getting all the information I dropped on his house.

1598
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: I said, Dan, this is the greatest day of my life.

1599
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I can go. You know, nothing

1600
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 1: else happens to me now I've lived it. Good luck

1601
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: with the record. It's gonna be great. He's like, well, George,

1602
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 1: if you can get down there on April. You know

1603
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 1: we're gonna start April seven, and if you can get

1604
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 1: down there, we'll do the record. You know. So I've said,

1605
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: how of course I'm gonna be there. We did the

1606
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: record like in two weeks. Everything was pretty much live.

1607
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 1: He was he wanted to do all the vocals again.

1608
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: But it just didn't work. He's like he he everybody

1609
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: wanted to please him so bad. They all were playing

1610
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: to him. We cut the record pretty fast. We mixed

1611
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: it and um and then he how I knew we

1612
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 1: respected He's that he mastered it in Nashville. He's like, George,

1613
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 1: I think I might have made a mistake. I'm like,

1614
01:14:58,479 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: what do you mean. He goes, I'm gonna send it

1615
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: to you. Send him the record and it was all

1616
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: squished and like, you have to hear it. I think

1617
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 1: you'll like it. It's called right, it's very open. There's

1618
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 1: a lot of dynamics, so it's a it's a very

1619
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: interesting it's an older it's not a young person's record.

1620
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 1: You know. I said, yeah, I think they stuck the

1621
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: life out of the record. Dan. He goes, I said,

1622
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: why don't you come out here. We'll do it out here.

1623
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: So we drove. He drove out here, We cut it here,

1624
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: and then it was you know, he he was happy,

1625
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: and I remember reading saying that he was just he

1626
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: felt that he could perform. He knew that everything was

1627
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 1: really taken care of in the control room. That's how

1628
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 1: I was. I was able to ease his mind I mean,

1629
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna tell them kind of

1630
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: what the player had to play. I tried to in

1631
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 1: the beginning we were cutting something. I'm like, okay, great,

1632
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:43,679
Speaker 1: so listen, why don't you uh if he catches that thing, like, George,

1633
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: you're gonna give me what you want. You gotta learn

1634
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: the song a minute, him a minute. I'm like, all right, cool, cool, cool.

1635
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 1: And this is engineer called Johnny Sandlin, who was the drummers.

1636
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 1: He was a drummer in the Hourglass. Were all brothers.

1637
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 1: And he's he's almost twice the size of me, drinking

1638
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 1: uh a Mason joff of die Pepsi's drinking that all day.

1639
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: And so we cut one thing and and David made

1640
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 1: a mistake on the basis and I'm talking to okay, cool,

1641
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 1: all right, second thing, and he's sitting next to me,

1642
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: go alright, great, so we can do a second chorus

1643
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: on the turnaround in and out okay and then boom baba,

1644
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 1: dude down back in, stay in and then out for

1645
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: the thing. Okay, cool, let's do it. I turned you know,

1646
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 1: he goes hear this. I'm sorry, George, I really wasn't

1647
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 1: paying attention. What was that It's the first day and

1648
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, look, man, I'm from New York.

1649
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,640
Speaker 1: I eat fast, like I do it all fast, you know,

1650
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: like like I gotta slow it down. So I just

1651
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: kind of I had to like take the heat off.

1652
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: And then I was also a younger kid, you know,

1653
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 1: like so and then once I just kind of let

1654
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: it happen. You know, there's a couple of happy accidents.

1655
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: There's it's just great. And like I said, and then

1656
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: when we cut, like we cut two right, how to

1657
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 1: leave the thing? I came back in and like, well,

1658
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: what any think of that? When I said, you guys

1659
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 1: can play that all day and I'll sit here and

1660
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: listen to it. You know, So that one was better

1661
01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:58,640
Speaker 1: than the other. It was like a matter of just

1662
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 1: like catching the other thing. Was that kind of Also, Hey, Jimmy,

1663
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: has it got nice to meet you. He's got like

1664
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 1: a Scheckter guitar and a roll in cor like these

1665
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: kind of eighties and things like and then I see this, okay,

1666
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 1: like what's the that's my greatge that's I played only

1667
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 1: reason like does it tun not? Because like yeah, I said,

1668
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: should we try to use it? He goes, well, I

1669
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: could try, you know, like so like getting into the

1670
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 1: kind of like get back to the more you know what,

1671
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: more organic whatever reason, you know, kind of thing where

1672
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: the more old school he kind of things, getting the

1673
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 1: telecaster out, getting defender amps out. You know that that

1674
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: was like the first day of kind of like pushing

1675
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,719
Speaker 1: it in that direction. And it was just this was easy.

1676
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 1: Now did day have like the final product? Loved it?

1677
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 1: You know, I think he really enjoyed it, but ultimately

1678
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 1: the record didn't. It wasn't was it supposed to. It

1679
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be a I think it was supposed

1680
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 1: to be like a cachet thing, and he was supposed

1681
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 1: to get out there, and you know, he went out

1682
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: and played some shows. He goes him Spooner play every

1683
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 1: now and then if you have you should catch it.

1684
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: They do like a two man thing. And then a

1685
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 1: project like that. How much is it cost to make?

1686
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: I maybe the whole thing was like fifteen rands of time.

1687
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: It really made. But I don't know what they paid him.

1688
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even know what I got paid,

1689
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: to be honest. You know, And you worked with Tom Petty,

1690
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 1: work with Tom, so Rick got hired to do Tom's record.

1691
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: Well we didn't get hired. They were talking about it

1692
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,560
Speaker 1: was the development stage, and he owed a record to

1693
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: he owe the greatest hits and a new song to Universal,

1694
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 1: which maybe in the fire and not who knows, but

1695
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 1: I think they kept all their tapes in a different place.

1696
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: But he's like, I have to go see Tom petty,

1697
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 1: you gotta come with me kind of a thing because

1698
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 1: he was thinking a little bit scared to be Tom Teddy.

1699
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: It's fine, so rick Um, He's like, I really love

1700
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 1: food Move Fever. Like you know, Tom has six seven

1701
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 1: records before with this band, the Heart rerecord. He goes,

1702
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: I don't care, Like, well, I think you should listen

1703
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 1: to I'm not gonna listen to him. I mean again,

1704
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: knew nothing of Tom's work. It's like, I love he

1705
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 1: loved food Moing Fever. We played that endlessly in the

1706
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 1: car constantly. I like Full Moon Fever. I bet Tom

1707
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: likes Full Moon Fever two. So like, I don't know, man,

1708
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: you better you did listen to some other stuff. So

1709
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: he took me out to the valley and see Tom.

1710
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 1: We go to his house and he was just the

1711
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 1: coolest from from the even meet him any time, the

1712
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: greatest from the get go, and um, you know I was.

1713
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: I was kind of took a little while too, but

1714
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: then you know, it's kind of a I've always been

1715
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of a wise a and he loved it.

1716
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: You know, he's he had a great sense of humor

1717
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: and he was so generous. So yeah, I worked with Well,

1718
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: so Rick's going in, how do you end up doing

1719
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: the record? Well, I wanted to do a record, couple down,

1720
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: a couple of records down the road. Rick goes in

1721
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm basically I'm his Ed McMahon. I'm with

1722
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: him the whole time. You know, they go every time

1723
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 1: they go to the studio and there, you know, um,

1724
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 1: there's a song called Girl and LSD that I make

1725
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,560
Speaker 1: that I kind of kind of nudgement to writing, Like

1726
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 1: he started this thing like, oh you should just finish

1727
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 1: that one, keep going, keep going. Um, and so I'm

1728
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: just around, you know. And then when they started they

1729
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: took they made it a lie of thing, the greatest

1730
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 1: hits whatever that kind of and they start it's gonna

1731
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: be a solo record, and they do most of it

1732
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: in my Campbell's house. They cut a couple of things,

1733
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: a cello whatever, um, and then I got like I

1734
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: was doing another record for a minute, so I had

1735
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 1: like or I was working on something else, so I

1736
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 1: would get there a little later. And they started always

1737
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 1: putting the song wild Flowers on wild Flowers every time

1738
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: I pull in. That was whooping me up. And I'm like,

1739
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 1: what why are you guys always like and they were

1740
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 1: kind of punking me like they were just two it

1741
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 1: so they knew. I was like, why isn't this one finished?

1742
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: This is done, like, you know, well maybe we should

1743
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: add you know, you know that I'd be out there

1744
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 1: playing a click clock thing or I played something on it,

1745
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, but um so then yeah, so I stayed

1746
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 1: close to Tom and uh and then he called because

1747
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: they did this box set. The box set. Yeah, so

1748
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 1: he called me. He's like, we gotta do this thing,

1749
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: and you know, doing this box set when you go

1750
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,759
Speaker 1: through my archives and finished what's not you know, finished

1751
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,639
Speaker 1: a few things, clean up a few things. And that's

1752
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 1: when I really bonded with him. And then um, he

1753
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 1: was just I think they made another record and he

1754
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 1: was just sitting around and Tony's manager dem was like,

1755
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 1: go go up and see Tom, Like what's going on?

1756
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:02,599
Speaker 1: He goes, he should be making a record. I'm like okay.

1757
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: He's like, let's just go out and see Tom. You

1758
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: can't tell me. So I would go out to Malibu

1759
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 1: and visit with him, and then you play me, like

1760
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 1: what have you been doing? He's got a couple of songs,

1761
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 1: like play me this one? He played me the last

1762
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 1: DJ the song. I'm like, oh, that's great, and they're

1763
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: gonna record. He goes, yeah, I'll get to it whatever

1764
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: I said. Well, and I was obsessed with Boom and

1765
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 1: Fever as well. It's like, how did you do those

1766
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 1: things with Jeff? I remember? You tell me? And Mike

1767
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 1: was there like like, well, we would do two guys

1768
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 1: who play the guitar. Then we'd switched guitars, move around,

1769
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 1: and we'd stack them and like why don't we try

1770
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 1: to do that with this one? And then that's that

1771
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 1: was we were off and running. That's what it became.

1772
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 1: Them teaching me how they made the record became making

1773
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 1: the record. Okay, so then how do you switch board

1774
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 1: of movies? Um? So, being out here, all my friends

1775
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: are directors mostly now bands break up, you know, it's

1776
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: like one guy wants to be a chef. This guy

1777
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 1: you know, this band breaks up. They hate each other.

1778
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: And Ben Stiller, who I knew just from being in

1779
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 1: kind of you know out here in l A. He's like,

1780
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 1: I'm making this movie, you should do music. Like what

1781
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 1: does that even mean? He goes, You'll figure it out.

1782
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, so I just you hired me

1783
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 1: to do the music for this movie zoo Lander. I

1784
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 1: had no idea what I was doing. And it was

1785
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 1: a comedy. I want to make it funny. And we

1786
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 1: put some song and he loved it. We had a

1787
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 1: great men The first thing they had this remember zoo Lander,

1788
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 1: they have the walk off and so they're an editorial

1789
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: and I send them beat It by Michael Jackson because

1790
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 1: it's funny and it's you know, it's referenced whatever and ever.

1791
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: This is great, so great, thanks, this is great, keep going,

1792
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 1: you know whatever. And I got a call from the

1793
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 1: studio did you get them beat It? And like yeah, why?

1794
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 1: He goes, do you know what? I go no idea.

1795
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 1: Why it's gonna be expensive? Like, well you can't have

1796
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, said is it funny? You know? I'm like, well,

1797
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: then it's worth x amount of whatever it is. If

1798
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 1: it's funny, it's funny, you know, it's it's worth it, right,

1799
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 1: And like I'm like, well, if you think it's a problem,

1800
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 1: maybe you guys, you know, maybe I'll tell Ben you

1801
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 1: guys think it. Oh no, no, it's fine, it's fine,

1802
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: just don't do it again. And then the next thing

1803
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:01,640
Speaker 1: there was like was call me like you know that

1804
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: just completely stuff and that I thought would make us

1805
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,560
Speaker 1: laugh and have fun, you know, And that was that

1806
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 1: was the beginning of it. And I've worked on all

1807
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 1: his movies since. Okay, so what's your we look like

1808
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: these days? I who knows, you know, Like like right now,

1809
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm working on a Nike commercial and it's changed directions

1810
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: eight times. You know. I've been in the studio working

1811
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: on pieces this and it's a minute spot and who

1812
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 1: knows what's going to be um um. I'm working on

1813
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 1: a couple of TV shows that are interesting. It's a

1814
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 1: little remote because they're shooting in Canada. A lot of

1815
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 1: it's done in posts. So I'll start seeing it. Excuse me,

1816
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: I've seen a few episodes. Is I'll get up, have

1817
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 1: breakfast and which way for the phone calls? You know?

1818
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 1: I start making calls or whatever. Is okay, So if

1819
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: you're working on a Nike commercial, what exactly are you

1820
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 1: doing creating the music for this spot? Okay? So they're

1821
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: not licensing something, so you're creating it from scratch. How

1822
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 1: do you do that? Um? Well, it's again this things.

1823
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 1: This is kind of boring, but it became It was

1824
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 1: supposed to be one thing in it turns of another.

1825
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: It supposed to be a girl drummer playing live and

1826
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 1: this guy called the v digs, who is um so okay,

1827
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 1: so the video has people playing in it. That was

1828
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: the idea. They're gonna shoot. They're gonna shoot this girl

1829
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:20,560
Speaker 1: drummer and this guy kind of it's gonna be a

1830
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 1: conversation between the drums and the and the vocalist and

1831
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 1: with with clips from sports. It's the fourth of July spot.

1832
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 1: And then it just kept changing until like, all right,

1833
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna use her, but we're not. We're gonna do

1834
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 1: it live, but we're not gonna do that. We want

1835
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 1: we do want music. We don't want to drum beat.

1836
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 1: There's like, well, we'll just do a breakbeat and we'll

1837
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 1: do something. So it's just they really put it through

1838
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: the okay, though they have money, that's one thing, unlike music,

1839
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 1: but they don't want to pay and nobody wants to

1840
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: pay anything. That's other thing. It's it's so funny as

1841
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: I am not complaining, but I make much less on

1842
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 1: a movie now than I did when I first started

1843
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 1: um and nobody wants to pay for anything. And what

1844
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 1: happened was in order to get these movies made, this

1845
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: is the first thing they do is they slice the

1846
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 1: music budget and then it's like, we'll figure it out.

1847
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 1: And then you get to the part we're supposed to

1848
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 1: figure it out, it's like we want led zeppelind Well

1849
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 1: guess what you you you you threw that away when

1850
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 1: you you know, kind of a thing. So it's that's

1851
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:17,680
Speaker 1: the one thing that's that's that's a kind of a

1852
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 1: drag is talking about like talking about money. It's boring.

1853
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: It's just sport. It's like, we want this, but we

1854
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 1: can't afford it. Every every conversation I get is hey man,

1855
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 1: can you working to say? We really don't have any

1856
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 1: It's like that's that's every no matter what it is,

1857
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 1: come make my record. I don't have any money to

1858
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 1: do this. I don't have money, so it's just what

1859
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: do you think accounts for that. I think people don't

1860
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 1: value music at the end of the day. I think

1861
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 1: it's been devalued. Well, let's say you're you're working on

1862
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 1: a movie. They just figure they can get it from

1863
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,839
Speaker 1: somewhere else or something else is good or what. It depends.

1864
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: That's why I like to work with a good like events. Eventually,

1865
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 1: if you stand your ground, you'll get what you know,

1866
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: you'll get you want. And that's not to say that

1867
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 1: I haven't worked on small movies with but we still

1868
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: wind up getting it. We get the other people to comitulate,

1869
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 1: you know. You say, hey, this is a special kind

1870
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 1: of movie, and everybody's doing it for this, you know,

1871
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 1: So that's all we have, you know. So it's just

1872
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 1: different levels of it. Okay, So you say, okay, you

1873
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 1: wake up, you're receiving phone calls, You're making phone calls.

1874
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: Are you working it? Working in looking for gigs? I

1875
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 1: don't really do that. Okay, So let's say your phone call,

1876
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 1: let's just say the Nike commercial. So you've got a

1877
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,759
Speaker 1: certain number of calls from that. Will your other calls

1878
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 1: be about the Nike commercial? Or there are certain people

1879
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 1: you check in with it on a regular basis. My

1880
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: friends and people, you know, like people that are in

1881
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: music or film. People will talk talk every day, but

1882
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 1: like the any there's a movie being finished now, this

1883
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 1: Joker movie that Todd Phillips directed, I'll go to the

1884
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: I'll go after this. I'll probably go to the sounds

1885
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 1: that they started mixing. So I'll go and listen to

1886
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 1: what they're doing. And but you didn't work on it,

1887
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:55,719
Speaker 1: yeah you did. Think it's been along, it's been in progress.

1888
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's went out the end. So the stuff

1889
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 1: has been the score has been recorded, the music has

1890
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 1: been picked. It's just a matter of mixing it for

1891
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 1: the final for you know, they do it in reels,

1892
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, they makes it really so I'll go check

1893
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: that out. Um I just got another episode of the

1894
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 1: TV show. I'll watch that and see what's in there,

1895
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: what they need. Um uh no, I do know the

1896
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 1: No Bound Back movie. We're doing a soundtrack. We're doing

1897
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 1: a four you got divorce ones, right, you'll love this one.

1898
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: The new one is it's brutal. I'm not to and

1899
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: I had to leave the it was like it's incredible,

1900
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 1: it's really This new one is great. Um So we're

1901
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 1: doing a record for that. We're also doing ahead of it.

1902
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 1: We're doing a forty five vinyl like special. Brandy Newman

1903
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 1: did the score. That was amazing working with Randy Newman. UM,

1904
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 1: So I'll make a call about that. It's got the

1905
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 1: mastering from that, I'll checking on the artwork. UM. Let

1906
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: me ask you to what degree are you busy with

1907
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: work in a regular week. It's always something, you know.

1908
01:27:57,200 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say. It's seven o'clock at night, eight

1909
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 1: o'clock at night, you're parking yourself in front of HBO,

1910
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 1: or you still work. I'm watching The Eleventh Hour with

1911
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 1: Brian Williams, having dinner in my underwear out of a bowl.

1912
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: Probably I don't go as now as much, that's sure,

1913
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 1: and and just I'll be I'll maybe listen to music

1914
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 1: after I've had the time. Okay, are you not going

1915
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 1: out as much because there's not as much to hear

1916
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 1: or because you think it's a function of your age

1917
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 1: where you are little? Both? I think, I mean, how

1918
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:26,640
Speaker 1: much is I don't know if there's much of a

1919
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 1: scene right now. I don't think there is either. But

1920
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, I discussed this with a lot of people okay,

1921
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 1: so you're heavily into the political thing. It's it's it's weird.

1922
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 1: It's kind of ruined my life. It's all t I

1923
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 1: mean totally, it's it's it's you know. I just remember,

1924
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: like just after Trump got elected, I was with you know,

1925
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 1: people who run the live business. They don't want to

1926
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 1: talk about music. They wanted to talk about politics. It'sact

1927
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't even care about. It's just it's just so whatever,

1928
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 1: he's terrible. I don't know. Maybe. I mean, I'm sure

1929
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,639
Speaker 1: all you listening to Sneak easterile so we're not again.

1930
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 1: But it's just it's this thing you can't turn away from.

1931
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 1: It's worse than a car wreck. You know. It's funny.

1932
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:02,720
Speaker 1: I went, I went especially. I made a record in

1933
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 1: England during the election, specifically want to be out of

1934
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 1: the country. I voted earlier. I was about I went

1935
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 1: to bed over there Hillary Clinton's head great, no problem.

1936
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 1: I get up in the middle night to go to

1937
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 1: the bathroom. I'm like, it's gonna check in. You know.

1938
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 1: It's like four in the morning now and five in

1939
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 1: the morning there, and I see it. I'm like, this

1940
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:24,560
Speaker 1: is not good. You know, It's like, oh, God, and

1941
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, how bad it be? And it's worse,

1942
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 1: and I think anybody thought, and you wake up every

1943
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 1: morning it's like what do this asshole say? Oh? God?

1944
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 1: And now you're addicted to it and I don't know

1945
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 1: if it's making me feel better or worse, but like

1946
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: if I do love, I love Nicole Wallace, I love

1947
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 1: Chris Matthews, you know, and I love Brian That. Those

1948
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 1: are probably three shows I want or listen listen to. No,

1949
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 1: it's too it's I don't. It's too exhausting. I don't

1950
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 1: know what the hell she's talking about. It takes too

1951
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 1: longer to get to the point, you know. I love

1952
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: I love all the reports like it's so funny. I

1953
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 1: love all the reporters. Now I love Ashley Parker a

1954
01:29:56,080 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 1: big crush. Uh uh, Casey, you know what's the case?

1955
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 1: All the I just it's okay, do you check out

1956
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: the competition. I'll watch Fox for a few minutes and

1957
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 1: then I'm just like, I feel like you're taking crazy pills,

1958
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's just Hannay's evil. I think

1959
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 1: it just doesn't like And I started thinking like, well,

1960
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: maybe am I wrong? Am I can No? No, no, no,

1961
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 1: I waxed away. I check in on the satellite. You know,

1962
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 1: I'm serious. You can listen to all those stations on

1963
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 1: a regular basis. Is there any hope for music impacting

1964
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 1: the political scene? I don't think so, then why not?

1965
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 1: I just don't think people are gonna rally behind the

1966
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:34,680
Speaker 1: song on the way they used to do. Do you

1967
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 1: mean no, I don't, but I have many Differently, when

1968
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: we went through the Iraq War, music had a chance.

1969
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 1: I think the main problem now, which people this is,

1970
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of stuff in the entertainment

1971
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 1: business that people in it I don't want to admit. Okay,

1972
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 1: It's like, if you look at the chart, they say

1973
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 1: how big. This first came up to with Randy Phillips

1974
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,599
Speaker 1: was running a g and he was going on about

1975
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 1: jay z uh you know, New York state of mind.

1976
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 1: You know what I said, that doesn't mean ship in

1977
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 1: l A, you know. And then they're not even playing it.

1978
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: So now you have the I don't want to even

1979
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: judge these records, but the biggest records they don't have

1980
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 1: the mind share of the sixties or the MTV era,

1981
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 1: So unless and the type of music they're making is

1982
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,640
Speaker 1: not universal. I mean, this is what I find fascinating.

1983
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 1: The last album wasn't that good, But the only person

1984
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 1: with universality was Adell. Okay, but no one else is

1985
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,680
Speaker 1: making those records. This is a big leg Why did

1986
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 1: somebody else go there? She'd be on you know, she'd

1987
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 1: be on the cabin and she'd be on those kind

1988
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 1: of if we had variety shows, she'd be like, it'll

1989
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 1: be one of those things, and everybody was Your mother

1990
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 1: would see it, your grandmother and say, you'd see it.

1991
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 1: It's I think there's the the part of everything being

1992
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 1: just poured out. Now there's no focus, you know, so

1993
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 1: it's hard to break through. I guess to what did

1994
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:58,560
Speaker 1: we are you watching other than for work? To what

1995
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 1: you're watching? Television movies? So the HBO stuff, Game of Thrones,

1996
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, the euphoria. Not really loved Saul, Better Call

1997
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:11,599
Speaker 1: Saul right fast? I love it. I like, I would

1998
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 1: rather watch Better Call saulve than Breaking Bad. It's a

1999
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 1: slower burner. It's like a real weird it's like a

2000
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 1: weird energy and and Mike's great. I mean, all the

2001
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 1: all the perfulent people are really interesting. Um. Yeah, I'm

2002
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: watching some TV you know that not my wife likes Maizel.

2003
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 1: I haven't really sat down with that. First season was better,

2004
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 1: but there's an episode in the cat Skills in the

2005
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 1: second that's fantastic. Um Uh, you know we have every channel.

2006
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 1: We have HBO, Netflix, Just to be clear, because I

2007
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:42,800
Speaker 1: used to believe. I remember I was reading the Only

2008
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 1: Times once and it was some you know, Live aid

2009
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 1: or something, and the critic they said, I don't have

2010
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,560
Speaker 1: that channel. So you know, this is your business. So

2011
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,799
Speaker 1: I made a big deal about always having every channel.

2012
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 1: And you know, so you have the Amazon, you have everything.

2013
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 1: Someone says Hulu, Okay, I had a free subscription to watch,

2014
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 1: to show whatever. But it's almost like an insult. It's

2015
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 1: not the ten dollars a month, but it's like it's

2016
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 1: like death by Ducks. I don't have Spotify. I have

2017
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 1: a family plan. I think the I think the iPhone thing,

2018
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 1: the Apple whatever, the Apple Music, I think it's terrible.

2019
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 1: The interface is just okay, just a little. Why do

2020
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 1: you think Apple Music is terrible? I don't understand. Do

2021
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 1: I own this? Am I listening to it? Am I

2022
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 1: looking for? Is it a radio? I couldn't agree more.

2023
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is this is where they left.

2024
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:32,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I have all the services. And the interesting

2025
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 1: thing about Amazon is two things. One you can use

2026
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 1: Alex on your phone and too. They say they create

2027
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 1: the playlist on the fly. However, I don't find there

2028
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:45,600
Speaker 1: are too many revelations there. These are I like for

2029
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 1: the high quality. Okay, these are early. They keep changing

2030
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 1: the high quality name, but it's HQ. If you have title,

2031
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 1: they're using that new Uh you know what is it?

2032
01:33:56,920 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 1: The new high level m Q and q A. Ostening depends. Okay,

2033
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 1: So I have these really good gentle x that they

2034
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 1: sent me. I mean, I get the big rig there

2035
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 1: too that I can run via Sonos. You're you're listening

2036
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 1: at home. But if I'm listening at home, if I'm listening,

2037
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:19,599
Speaker 1: I don't do a lot of hiking. Okay at night

2038
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 1: and I'm listening on my I don't want to give

2039
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,560
Speaker 1: anything away because now I'll be killed. But where I

2040
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 1: normally hiked the about fifteen years ago, we were talking,

2041
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 1: we knew the rangers, and he ever any crime here

2042
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:37,519
Speaker 1: and he goes just boyfriend and girlfriend once and where

2043
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,839
Speaker 1: I am listen every case. It's really weird because occasionally

2044
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,759
Speaker 1: when it's really fucking hot, like over a hundred degrees.

2045
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 1: I've had a couple of experiences with a homeless people

2046
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:49,799
Speaker 1: all right, start climbing up and they're on the trail,

2047
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 1: and it's like this is weird. Okay, but but that's

2048
01:34:53,200 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 1: when I listen. Okay, I listened sendaiserst never gonna listen

2049
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:03,799
Speaker 1: to beats. I had a pair of Bluetooth sand Heisers.

2050
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 1: It also be the magnets went out and I just

2051
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 1: threw them away. I had for like six years. But

2052
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 1: the Bluetooth sound is just not as good. Yeah, I

2053
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 1: heard these um ribbon headphones someone's making. Okay, that's for

2054
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 1: the home though, Yeah, I mean for the home I got.

2055
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:24,080
Speaker 1: They just updated them. But I have the Senderiser HD

2056
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:26,559
Speaker 1: eight hundreds, which you know they said we're the best.

2057
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 1: I've got some odd disease which having a unique sound.

2058
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 1: I got two pairs of those. I think those are great.

2059
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 1: I mean what I listened to, it's it's I mean,

2060
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 1: I have got an A D system. I got some

2061
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:41,520
Speaker 1: old j b L. I haven't an A D integrated.

2062
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 1: I got the old j b L S two, but

2063
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:46,479
Speaker 1: I got another set of speakers because keep it honest.

2064
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 1: But when I listened to most I have this like

2065
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 1: audio engine, Bluetooth player and just you know, I just

2066
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 1: take a little take a little j B L flip whatever.

2067
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:58,840
Speaker 1: It's just it's odd, you know, because I don't want

2068
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 1: to try not listen on the puter, at least listen

2069
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:03,599
Speaker 1: off the computer. But most people just I almost brought

2070
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: those audio engranes. How are they cool? It looks cool,

2071
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 1: it sounds good, it's good, it sounds pretty solid. You know,

2072
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 1: how about how how expensive of the ones who watch

2073
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 1: your bucks? I don't know. So it was a gift,

2074
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 1: I think. And then uh and I'll just you know,

2075
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:17,560
Speaker 1: I'll be in the shower, turn on whatever. And I like.

2076
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 1: I like the convenience of this. I think I don't

2077
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:22,759
Speaker 1: think people know what a good record sounds like anymore.

2078
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 1: So he's pointing to the phone from the phone, but

2079
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:27,679
Speaker 1: I don't think people know what a good record really

2080
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:29,320
Speaker 1: sounds like anymore. It doesn't I don't thin get that

2081
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:31,720
Speaker 1: matters it. I don't think it's you wouldn't know. And

2082
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 1: if you did, if you had a really good like

2083
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 1: say Dampen record, if you listen to Dampai record at

2084
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 1: home and you're teenager, you keep reaching for the volume

2085
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 1: button and down wait because it has dynamics, you know,

2086
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 1: nothing really, and where are you on the vinyl thing?

2087
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of it, I know, listen to it,

2088
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 1: to be honest, you know, I got it. I got

2089
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 1: all my vinyl, and I got a couple of turntables.

2090
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 1: They're right there. I rarely listened to it. But the

2091
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 1: reason you're bringing up, you know, I don't I think

2092
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 1: unless you were cutting logue, it makes no sense to me.

2093
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 1: But if it was an analog original master, but I

2094
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 1: remember a c d C the original c D which

2095
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 1: was pretty good, and the second CD on Epic really good,

2096
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 1: and I got a lot of power. You know, you

2097
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 1: can't turn it up halfway and if you creep cranking

2098
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 1: the c D your ears bleed, but you crate the

2099
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 1: vinal you can feel it like the show. But I mean,

2100
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 1: I'm really I think it's like the whole final thing

2101
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 1: is like Civil War reenactment. I don't get it whatsoever. Well,

2102
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 1: they said c D are back. Did you see that

2103
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 1: they take a censer back. It's like really crazy because uh,

2104
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, I've gotten rid of a you know, I

2105
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 1: had you know, a ten thousand of d C d s.

2106
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 1: A lot of them were you know, CD singles that

2107
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 1: never made it. But I have probably two or three

2108
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 1: thousand CDs left, and yeah, so do you. I mean

2109
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 1: the vinals worth something. The c ds you keep owning

2110
01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 1: them or you just throw them away, you know, I have.

2111
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 1: I haven't bought one in a long time. But I

2112
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,719
Speaker 1: think that's also why I'm not as connected it sounds,

2113
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 1: but not as it sounds important to me these new

2114
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 1: things that come down the pike, because I don't really

2115
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:10,800
Speaker 1: have the same relationship. You know, I'm not holding in

2116
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:13,120
Speaker 1: my hand. I'm not reading about it. I'm not I'm

2117
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 1: not well. The difference was when we had to buy

2118
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:17,799
Speaker 1: it and I don't want to. You know, the future

2119
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 1: is here. It's like those guys in Nashville is that

2120
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 1: you couldn't afford everything, and if you bought it, you

2121
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 1: played it to death. Man. That's true. Whereas now you know,

2122
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:29,000
Speaker 1: i'll hear something he goes, oh, you know, that's kind

2123
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 1: of good, But unless it's revelatory, I'm onto the next thing. Yeah.

2124
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 1: As like I said, they only have you don't have.

2125
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 1: You don't have a tactile relationship with it, so it's

2126
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:38,720
Speaker 1: not it's not as important, you know. But as I say,

2127
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:40,760
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with some of this now, you know, trying

2128
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:42,560
Speaker 1: to get rid of some stuff to to move to

2129
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:47,439
Speaker 1: another location. And on one hand, I could throw out everything.

2130
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:51,599
Speaker 1: You're of that age. I just wish everything was virtual.

2131
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, the DVD the DVDs you haven't watched,

2132
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:58,639
Speaker 1: so that's plex plex. You can load stuff off the plex.

2133
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:02,720
Speaker 1: What's les. I got a friend I want his name,

2134
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:07,720
Speaker 1: is obsessed with plex. It's um, it's a service. It's

2135
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:11,559
Speaker 1: like your own. When you talking about a home only,

2136
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,439
Speaker 1: are you talking about the cloud? It's home only? But yeah,

2137
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:16,599
Speaker 1: I know it's it's it's it's your own server. Yeah, yeah,

2138
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:19,719
Speaker 1: of course. I mean there's a number of companies wherever

2139
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 1: you wanted. So he's at about ten tho movies on there.

2140
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:27,640
Speaker 1: He's just Adam and Costello, shorts, Laurel and Hardy, uh

2141
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, uh, some buddies. You know. That's the problem

2142
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 1: I have. And I don't know. I don't know what

2143
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:35,560
Speaker 1: would be like a teenager risk you have. I have

2144
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:39,160
Speaker 1: no time. It's like I used to enjoy alphabetizing my

2145
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 1: albums whatever, and it's like, you know the amount of

2146
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:46,640
Speaker 1: time you never I'm busy seven. I'm not complaining about it,

2147
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:51,439
Speaker 1: but I just wanted to be able to on demand, okay,

2148
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 1: because like you know, I'm sitting there with like twenty

2149
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 1: DVDs sub documentaries and I say, okay, well I can

2150
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 1: only play this at because otherwise computers don't have a

2151
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:05,240
Speaker 1: DVD player. And I know the problem is they go

2152
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 1: from service to service. If I knew they were a

2153
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 1: hundred percent available, I would toss something. But then of

2154
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 1: course there's an other thing. Well how many years have

2155
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:17,720
Speaker 1: I owned this and not watched it? I mean, Jim

2156
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 1: Garrett know he blew everything out, which I can't imagine,

2157
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 1: because you know there's certain ship that is never going

2158
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 1: to hit the services. But the thing you learned, like

2159
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:28,439
Speaker 1: when this thing with the Universal fire, you don't have

2160
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:30,960
Speaker 1: a hard copy of something something some day maybe gone,

2161
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 1: you know, may not be may not exist anymore. What

2162
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:40,680
Speaker 1: what did we learn during the Napster era? Somebody it's

2163
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:43,679
Speaker 1: like eBay when it's occasionally and I'm afraid of throwing

2164
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:46,559
Speaker 1: out and somebody said, you go on eBay. Everything you're

2165
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 1: looking for somebody is selling it. And the other thing

2166
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:51,679
Speaker 1: what we know in the fire, which is a tragedy.

2167
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 1: Those are all the masters. The music itself is never

2168
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 1: gonna disappear. How many steps from the real thing is

2169
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:02,720
Speaker 1: something else? That's true? Oh yeah, But but just making

2170
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:06,280
Speaker 1: records for example, Now, so I make a record and

2171
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:09,519
Speaker 1: I use this, I'm on pro Tools eleven. We're up

2172
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:12,679
Speaker 1: to now. But say I made a record on protal six.

2173
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:16,840
Speaker 1: It's a fucking hassle get that drive or you gotta drive.

2174
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:19,520
Speaker 1: It's a different It's not a FireWire, it's a thunderbolt.

2175
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 1: It's it's like I've been going through that recently myself,

2176
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:24,839
Speaker 1: because yeah, it's like, how may we're freaking a daters.

2177
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:26,280
Speaker 1: I have to get well, you know, it's like I

2178
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 1: wanted to connect Thunderbolt two and Thunderbolt three hard drives.

2179
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 1: You gotta buy two connectors, and I end up being

2180
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:34,600
Speaker 1: on the phone, which you don't. I always think that

2181
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:37,519
Speaker 1: there was a problem, which I didn't expect whatsoever. And

2182
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 1: then my girlfriend's got a FireWire drive Thunderbolt to computer

2183
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 1: and wants to get into a hard drive. But in

2184
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:45,360
Speaker 1: order to transfer from one hard drive to another, how

2185
01:41:45,400 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 1: many adapters you need? It's just crazy, that's the thing.

2186
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 1: At least with a master tape it's you always have

2187
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:52,519
Speaker 1: a tape machine. You can always clean the head and

2188
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:54,800
Speaker 1: put it on and it will play a thing. I'm

2189
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:57,680
Speaker 1: not saying that it's not a tragedy. We shouldn't keep

2190
01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:00,040
Speaker 1: the masters. What I'm saying is the music is not

2191
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:03,400
Speaker 1: going to disappear. Well, we can sit here and bs

2192
01:42:03,439 --> 01:42:05,760
Speaker 1: about all these topics, but before we start, I want

2193
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 1: to hear about your things. So I saw I didn't

2194
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:08,800
Speaker 1: ever knew you played at all when I saw you

2195
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:11,640
Speaker 1: on this picture. You're playing with dway, So is your thing?

2196
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:13,400
Speaker 1: Are you failed? Is that what it was? We say

2197
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 1: we were like a singer songwriter. No no, no, no,

2198
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 1: I'm older than you. Okay. So in the early sixties

2199
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 1: there was always the folks scene. Okay, everybody had a

2200
01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:26,120
Speaker 1: ninline guitar in the house. You took lessons from somebody

2201
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:29,519
Speaker 1: in the neighborhoods he can say, you know the the

2202
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:33,200
Speaker 1: not even that toplicated d whatever, you know whatever. And

2203
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:39,160
Speaker 1: then the Beatles hit, Beatles hit. Everybody got an electric guitar,

2204
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 1: I mean everybody. So I had a cheap, no name

2205
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 1: electric guitar, didn't have an amp for like a year.

2206
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 1: My father found an ad in the paper. He bought

2207
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 1: a Gibson to Bam for like twenty dollars. If I

2208
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:57,920
Speaker 1: only had that amp today exactly. So the way I

2209
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:01,160
Speaker 1: tell the story, because you started laying in bands and

2210
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:03,880
Speaker 1: you start to get up tight because they say, okay,

2211
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this, we do that. Then I was

2212
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:10,559
Speaker 1: at my friend's house, who was really talented, because now

2213
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 1: we're gonna change key, and I said I'm out, okay,

2214
01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:18,200
Speaker 1: But then I got a Gibson s J. Uh. You know,

2215
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 1: you went to Manny's whatever, and it would like you

2216
01:43:20,439 --> 01:43:22,320
Speaker 1: go there with the money in your pocket and then

2217
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:24,920
Speaker 1: you know they want to sell it instantly. I saved

2218
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 1: this money all summer, but I ended up going to

2219
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, Manny's and cmatch. But this guy to this

2220
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:33,000
Speaker 1: place way downtown Silver and Horland, and I got this

2221
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:36,560
Speaker 1: Gibson s J. Really sounded good. The only problem with

2222
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:38,960
Speaker 1: my mother put in the fucking crawl space and it

2223
01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:42,880
Speaker 1: has some uh what mold on it, and the people

2224
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:47,240
Speaker 1: first the people give them. Of course it's a seventy

2225
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 1: or sixty. Yeah, I know, I knew some people gives them,

2226
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,439
Speaker 1: but then those people gives them with somebody trouble, they're

2227
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 1: not there anymore and it wasn't a priority. Okay, but

2228
01:43:57,080 --> 01:44:00,080
Speaker 1: I played that like the beginning of college, just for on.

2229
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:03,760
Speaker 1: Then I never played again. So no, no, no, no,

2230
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:06,280
Speaker 1: I never had a dream. Well, the law school thing

2231
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 1: was a different thing. So I went to college very

2232
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 1: different from you, and that I just knew I had

2233
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:15,280
Speaker 1: to go to college. I didn't want to study any

2234
01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 1: of these particular subjects, okay, And I went and exactly

2235
01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:21,639
Speaker 1: and I went to the wrong school because of very

2236
01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:26,200
Speaker 1: conservative academically. But there were good things as Middlebury College

2237
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 1: and Vermont. This is a dark pre internet, you know,

2238
01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:33,599
Speaker 1: one fuzzy TV station. I went from seventy seventy four.

2239
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:39,600
Speaker 1: But the people were prep school people such that I

2240
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:42,599
Speaker 1: could I learned what real rich people were, early rich

2241
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:44,320
Speaker 1: people then and how they because I grew up in

2242
01:44:44,360 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 1: the melting Pets, you know, suburbs, I never knew anybody

2243
01:44:47,080 --> 01:44:49,240
Speaker 1: like that. And I was the guy who had the

2244
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:52,760
Speaker 1: most records, okay, by far, I would live to read

2245
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:57,280
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone. Oh yeah, that would be a big thing,

2246
01:44:57,400 --> 01:44:59,800
Speaker 1: because you know, I remember first they would all fit

2247
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:01,439
Speaker 1: on a shelf in one of the rooms we had.

2248
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:04,720
Speaker 1: The shelf was bound, you know, but oh yeah, I

2249
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:06,760
Speaker 1: mean I had more records anybody on campus. You know,

2250
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 1: by when you're in college. By time you're in college,

2251
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:12,559
Speaker 1: how many hundreds of records is that? But I either

2252
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:17,640
Speaker 1: wanted to like right for Rolling Stone, or be a

2253
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 1: professional skier. Okay, so I went to professional skier route,

2254
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 1: and I only went to law school. I signed up

2255
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:25,560
Speaker 1: for the l s A T when I was in

2256
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:27,559
Speaker 1: college and my friends came to my front to I said,

2257
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 1: we're going to Montreal. You're not going to take that test.

2258
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 1: And I said, you're right, And I didn't take it.

2259
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:34,599
Speaker 1: But then I was in l A and I broke

2260
01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:39,160
Speaker 1: my leg before the ski season. Professional skier though Sean

2261
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 1: Claude at the time. First I just wanted to go

2262
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:48,120
Speaker 1: skiing the most guaranteed snows, little Cottonwood Can in Utah,

2263
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:51,040
Speaker 1: which was out in snowboard. So I went there. Little

2264
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:54,679
Speaker 1: did I know that was the epicenter of freestyle skiing.

2265
01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:57,920
Speaker 1: This was in the renegade days, supposed to being in

2266
01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:01,719
Speaker 1: the Olympics. So I that up skiing with all those people.

2267
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:04,639
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the world champion, all those people.

2268
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:07,640
Speaker 1: The next year, Okay, I'm gonna do that. What I

2269
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:10,680
Speaker 1: did not realize because I could ski better than the

2270
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,400
Speaker 1: you know, on an everyday basis in the world champion,

2271
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 1: the people who are true athletes. This is really the golfers,

2272
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:19,040
Speaker 1: among other things. They turn it up when the pressure

2273
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:22,080
Speaker 1: is on, and the amateur you freeze a little bit.

2274
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:25,000
Speaker 1: And then I said, it's gonna take me like two

2275
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Speaker 1: years to get past this. Got the world's worst case

2276
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:31,599
Speaker 1: of mononucleosis. And so I started to go to law school.

2277
01:46:31,880 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 1: Hated it. Southwestern and Los Angeles fully accredited, but not Harvard.

2278
01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:41,000
Speaker 1: So I was gonna drop out to go skiing. It

2279
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:43,720
Speaker 1: happened to be until two thousand eleven and twelfth, the

2280
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:45,560
Speaker 1: worst year you can look. They the worst year in

2281
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:48,719
Speaker 1: the history of snow in Utah. So I called my buddies,

2282
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:52,240
Speaker 1: they're leaving. Okay, well you're leaving, you know, for Christmas.

2283
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:55,120
Speaker 1: That's unheard of. And then I fell in with some girl.

2284
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:58,360
Speaker 1: That was my first real relationship. I never wanted to

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01:46:58,439 --> 01:47:01,080
Speaker 1: practice law, and if I went to law school for

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01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 1: three years, I'm gona take the goddamn bar. So I

2287
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 1: took the bar. This is okay. So because I spent

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01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:13,320
Speaker 1: a couple of years in Utah in the bar, passage

2289
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:15,320
Speaker 1: rate when I took was incredibly low, like twenty eight

2290
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:18,639
Speaker 1: percent in New York. The worst California is the hardest.

2291
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:25,200
Speaker 1: So I decided that, oh yeah, that was happening while

2292
01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:28,840
Speaker 1: I was there. So, um, in any event, you take

2293
01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:30,680
Speaker 1: the because I said, I gotta pass the bar. I

2294
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:34,760
Speaker 1: went to law school. You take the bar, and you

2295
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:36,559
Speaker 1: don't find that you take in July. You don't find

2296
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:39,600
Speaker 1: out until Thanksgiving. So in the interim, I got a

2297
01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:42,160
Speaker 1: job with the lawyer. I did pass the bar, and

2298
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:44,519
Speaker 1: I worked a little bit, and then I ended up.

2299
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I could go on and on,

2300
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 1: and then I was the only guy I want to

2301
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 1: be in the music business who was working in the

2302
01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 1: movie business. Now everybody else had dreams of reverse. I

2303
01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:58,719
Speaker 1: was working for a law from the guy ultimately was famous.

2304
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:00,439
Speaker 1: He made a certain amount of number of movies, but

2305
01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:03,519
Speaker 1: he was famous for something else. He represented George Foreman

2306
01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 1: with a grill, and he made money, but he was

2307
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:10,000
Speaker 1: a sole practitioner, so he would literally do everything. I mean,

2308
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:11,720
Speaker 1: it started off. I don't know if you know your

2309
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 1: rock history, but Cosa Blanca Records a kid, Okay, so

2310
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 1: Cosa Blocker Records. There was a California law issue because

2311
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:26,720
Speaker 1: they were the manager the record label right right, Well

2312
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:28,280
Speaker 1: that's not what they called it. But there was a

2313
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:32,160
Speaker 1: law ironically started with Jefferson Starship where you couldn't be

2314
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:35,240
Speaker 1: the age in the manner, so we represented people who

2315
01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:37,880
Speaker 1: had songs on the Bad Girls album. So there was

2316
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:41,920
Speaker 1: a lot to argue about. And then I went to

2317
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 1: work for an independent movie producer and we put this

2318
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:49,479
Speaker 1: band Wasp in one of our movies, and I, let's

2319
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:54,600
Speaker 1: go back in the eighties, making a movie was a

2320
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:57,599
Speaker 1: really big deal. Today you can make them. They literally

2321
01:48:57,640 --> 01:49:00,240
Speaker 1: make movies on an iPhone, and I learned not to

2322
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 1: make movies. For for a million dollars, you could make

2323
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:05,240
Speaker 1: the movie, and most other people were not. So I

2324
01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:08,599
Speaker 1: worked for this guy, Charles Band. While I was there,

2325
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:12,479
Speaker 1: the biggest thing we did was well, this isn't the biggest,

2326
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 1: but Jawnson three D came out with the Universal and

2327
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:18,799
Speaker 1: we made a storm called an album called Metal Storm

2328
01:49:19,479 --> 01:49:21,680
Speaker 1: in three D. That followed that into the theaters, which

2329
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 1: wasn't good. But Charlie called me one night goes what

2330
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:26,400
Speaker 1: kind of music can be licensed chief that people really addicted?

2331
01:49:26,479 --> 01:49:28,640
Speaker 1: I said metal and then it wasn't in there. And

2332
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:32,639
Speaker 1: then we had a record with the me Moore's husband's group,

2333
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:35,679
Speaker 1: because before I got there, Charlie had made a movie

2334
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:40,559
Speaker 1: called Um Parasite and three D. That was Demean Moore's

2335
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:45,880
Speaker 1: first movie. But we put this movie. Yes, But after

2336
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 1: I left, he was more he directs, sometimes produced sometimes

2337
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:52,439
Speaker 1: and he did he produced re Animator and three D,

2338
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:55,280
Speaker 1: which is really kind of a classic. And then when

2339
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:57,439
Speaker 1: you know, I ended up working for this company, these

2340
01:49:57,640 --> 01:50:01,280
Speaker 1: these guys, it's basically Sanctuary Music. They've changed a couple

2341
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:06,479
Speaker 1: of times the name and but no, that's the interesting thing.

2342
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:09,439
Speaker 1: It was not a legal job. It's running the office.

2343
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:11,679
Speaker 1: We were in a house above the Rainbow on Weatherly

2344
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:15,639
Speaker 1: that Peter Sellers bought but never lived in because he died.

2345
01:50:16,280 --> 01:50:19,880
Speaker 1: And it was Iron Maiden in Wasp. Don't forget what

2346
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:25,040
Speaker 1: was the guy's name, Ron Smollen exactly, Rod Smote and

2347
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:28,599
Speaker 1: his partner Randy Taylor. Not that Duran Duran one. They

2348
01:50:28,640 --> 01:50:33,360
Speaker 1: could only be in the US ninety days, right right.

2349
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:36,080
Speaker 1: So I remember we we had a very rich deal

2350
01:50:36,160 --> 01:50:39,680
Speaker 1: with Capitol Records, and we had enough money that I

2351
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:42,840
Speaker 1: started the video. Okay, the video's budget was fort K.

2352
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:46,160
Speaker 1: I was in about eighteen K, so I called Capital

2353
01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:50,720
Speaker 1: for the check. And he says, uh, Gary Culpepper says,

2354
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:56,760
Speaker 1: we only cut checks on Thursdays. You only cut checks

2355
01:50:56,800 --> 01:51:00,519
Speaker 1: on Thursdays. So you know, I call Odd who's in

2356
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:02,640
Speaker 1: the Bahamas, and I said, you know what should I

2357
01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:05,160
Speaker 1: do this? Well, this is why we hired you. You know,

2358
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:07,800
Speaker 1: you call back and go, okay, I'm eighteen in. Either

2359
01:51:07,880 --> 01:51:09,320
Speaker 1: you cut the check or I'll bill you for the

2360
01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:12,040
Speaker 1: eight team. So they cut the check. You know, we

2361
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:15,040
Speaker 1: had a lot of power, but ultimately I lost my

2362
01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:18,640
Speaker 1: job over a creative issue. Uh. Well, this is the

2363
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:20,519
Speaker 1: type of thing. I can't believe I'm going on about this,

2364
01:51:21,160 --> 01:51:25,200
Speaker 1: but this is nothing. Okay, you know I was Linda Perry.

2365
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:27,000
Speaker 1: I went through some of this. Otherwise I could go

2366
01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:29,799
Speaker 1: on for a whole day. I'm trying not to repeat myself,

2367
01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:34,960
Speaker 1: but um, we have this being lost. They wanted to

2368
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:38,560
Speaker 1: produce themselves, Okay, they ended up using how come I

2369
01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:42,240
Speaker 1: can see this guy's name suddenly Metal not Metal Blake?

2370
01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:45,600
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, that was the other one, the

2371
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:48,519
Speaker 1: guy who found all the guitars. Now he was living

2372
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:53,640
Speaker 1: in Sebastany. What party exactly? Good friend of mine. What's

2373
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:56,439
Speaker 1: Mike Party doing today? He's a member of the oh,

2374
01:51:56,520 --> 01:52:00,719
Speaker 1: I read that. I read that he sold he sold

2375
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:04,720
Speaker 1: it to Red One whatever. He sold the orchard. He

2376
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:07,280
Speaker 1: lives in Vegas. I talked to him last night and

2377
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:09,160
Speaker 1: get him on the phone right now. He's not up.

2378
01:52:09,320 --> 01:52:12,680
Speaker 1: He's still a vampire. He doesn't get up till any

2379
01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:14,840
Speaker 1: of them he wanted. He wanted to produce the record,

2380
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:18,040
Speaker 1: and they didn't want. He knew that they hired Varney,

2381
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:20,720
Speaker 1: they could boss them around. It was a good experience

2382
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:24,040
Speaker 1: with Varney. Varney was a nice guy. The only problem, well,

2383
01:52:24,640 --> 01:52:27,479
Speaker 1: the two tracks we cut. One of them was the

2384
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:31,400
Speaker 1: one that the PMRC cut went down on the animal

2385
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:35,719
Speaker 1: fuck like a beast. So the problem was he had

2386
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:39,120
Speaker 1: this engineer. He really didn't know what he was doing.

2387
01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:44,320
Speaker 1: So the mixes were just fucking terrible. So at the time,

2388
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:48,160
Speaker 1: the A and R guy at the Capital was Carter. Okay,

2389
01:52:48,479 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 1: who was what is he these days? He's dead? Okay?

2390
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:55,960
Speaker 1: John Carter was famous for right he was writing the

2391
01:52:56,080 --> 01:52:58,719
Speaker 1: He wrote the Lyricture in sze Pepperins ultimately brought Tina

2392
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:02,760
Speaker 1: Turner back, but that was after So I say, you know, Carter,

2393
01:53:02,840 --> 01:53:04,240
Speaker 1: can I come up and play you this? You know

2394
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:07,479
Speaker 1: these mixes? So I go up I blame him the

2395
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:09,759
Speaker 1: mix on a cassette, turns it off in the middle,

2396
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:14,280
Speaker 1: and he goes, I passed on this band three times.

2397
01:53:14,360 --> 01:53:18,360
Speaker 1: It was signed above me, do whatever the funk you want? Okay,

2398
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:20,960
Speaker 1: How am I going to deal with Blackie? Okay? Is

2399
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:25,200
Speaker 1: the lead Blackie Lawless, who is wasp Because I told him,

2400
01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:27,479
Speaker 1: he said I left part of the story. He would

2401
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 1: only remix the record if Carter said to Okay, And

2402
01:53:32,479 --> 01:53:35,599
Speaker 1: Carter said that. So I'm figuring out what I'm gonna say.

2403
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:37,479
Speaker 1: But I get back in my office. Blackie comes back.

2404
01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:39,640
Speaker 1: I knew I love chocolate chip cookies, came with a

2405
01:53:39,680 --> 01:53:42,719
Speaker 1: big bag of Mrs Fields and said, I'll do it whatever.

2406
01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:46,240
Speaker 1: So we got this guy, Dwayne Baron, who was famous

2407
01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 1: at that point because he had engineered and mixed the

2408
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:52,439
Speaker 1: Quiet Riot records, and he the engineer, but didn't mix

2409
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:55,519
Speaker 1: the No More Tears Azzi record. I don't know where

2410
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:59,320
Speaker 1: he is today, but he now made the record listenable.

2411
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:04,519
Speaker 1: The problem with bands is they have a vision of

2412
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:08,360
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do. Okay, so suddenly it's gonna be

2413
01:54:08,400 --> 01:54:11,400
Speaker 1: a different single. So I said, no, it's got to

2414
01:54:11,439 --> 01:54:16,200
Speaker 1: be this single, okay, And ultimately Rod was in town

2415
01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:19,439
Speaker 1: and he goes, we got we gotta do this, you

2416
01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:22,880
Speaker 1: gotta do that? Goes, well, you know what difference does

2417
01:54:22,920 --> 01:54:25,360
Speaker 1: it make? It? The first album only sells a hundred thousand.

2418
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:28,559
Speaker 1: That was the stiff, which I had the opposite thing,

2419
01:54:29,120 --> 01:54:32,560
Speaker 1: and I was supposed to fly to UH to the

2420
01:54:32,720 --> 01:54:36,960
Speaker 1: u K. And the Andy Taylor came back and said

2421
01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:39,680
Speaker 1: it's not working out because I was standing in the

2422
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:45,280
Speaker 1: it really fucked what uh? I wanted a song called

2423
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:48,720
Speaker 1: love Machine? Do you know that record? Okay? They wanted

2424
01:54:48,760 --> 01:54:51,640
Speaker 1: to go with something I want to know? But no,

2425
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:53,960
Speaker 1: I don't need no doctors on that record. No, No,

2426
01:54:54,120 --> 01:54:57,960
Speaker 1: that's later. Do you think of the humble Pie version

2427
01:54:59,640 --> 01:55:02,000
Speaker 1: I was, you know, after the first record, I was done.

2428
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:05,680
Speaker 1: I want to be something that's that exactly. That's the record,

2429
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:07,720
Speaker 1: That's what that's all you wanted. No, that's not the one.

2430
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:11,080
Speaker 1: Okay though that was the first. That was the first thing. Look,

2431
01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:14,760
Speaker 1: but if you go back to that record and go

2432
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:24,680
Speaker 1: to love Machine, this is four okay. So the nature

2433
01:55:24,680 --> 01:55:26,560
Speaker 1: of those jobs, I say, I could go on for hours.

2434
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:28,480
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make it very short just to edify you,

2435
01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:33,320
Speaker 1: is that you can't spend a dollar you're working around

2436
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:35,520
Speaker 1: the clock and the other thing. You know, it's sort

2437
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:38,480
Speaker 1: of big. I said, the guys were going to the airport, okay,

2438
01:55:38,920 --> 01:55:40,960
Speaker 1: Andy and Rod and said, you got any got any money?

2439
01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:42,800
Speaker 1: I haven't even go to the airport that need like

2440
01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:47,800
Speaker 1: they go, you gotta need company money. This well, you know,

2441
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:49,320
Speaker 1: I like a lot of money in the bank account.

2442
01:55:50,120 --> 01:55:52,520
Speaker 1: He goes, well you should have some money. They whip

2443
01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:56,120
Speaker 1: off four thousand dollars cash and I go, what am

2444
01:55:56,120 --> 01:55:59,240
Speaker 1: I supposed to do with this? And they said put

2445
01:55:59,320 --> 01:56:01,600
Speaker 1: it in your pocket. Good And then you find you

2446
01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:05,280
Speaker 1: need it because nobody has any credit card. Well, we

2447
01:56:05,360 --> 01:56:09,000
Speaker 1: want to rent a skeleton. They require a thousand dollar deposit. Okay,

2448
01:56:09,080 --> 01:56:11,920
Speaker 1: here's a thousand. So I was you know, I had

2449
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:15,240
Speaker 1: worked on movies, I you know, worked as a music supervisor,

2450
01:56:15,320 --> 01:56:17,640
Speaker 1: did some other ship. But eventually the money ran out,

2451
01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:23,920
Speaker 1: and then I started the newsletter. When was that you

2452
01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:29,880
Speaker 1: monetize the news letter from Yes, let's okay. What happens

2453
01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:33,600
Speaker 1: is when I would read the stuff. When I went

2454
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:38,040
Speaker 1: to Middlebury, there was one professor who wrote see stories badly,

2455
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:40,920
Speaker 1: and when I read my ship, it was like screen

2456
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:44,720
Speaker 1: time for hitlo. Okay, So I never wrote another thing.

2457
01:56:44,840 --> 01:56:47,040
Speaker 1: But when you're ten years later, you're working, you get

2458
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:50,800
Speaker 1: all these bios. The buyers were just horrific. So the

2459
01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:55,240
Speaker 1: bios um I would have to rewrite them. And then

2460
01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:56,880
Speaker 1: I ran out of money and I went to a

2461
01:56:56,960 --> 01:56:59,440
Speaker 1: job counselor and they said, here's you have to write

2462
01:56:59,480 --> 01:57:02,600
Speaker 1: these six essays brag about yourself. And I wrote the

2463
01:57:02,680 --> 01:57:07,160
Speaker 1: six essays and uh, I got back in touch on

2464
01:57:07,320 --> 01:57:09,440
Speaker 1: Let be a writer. So you send stuff to magazines,

2465
01:57:09,480 --> 01:57:11,320
Speaker 1: Go wait a second, this is just like the music business.

2466
01:57:11,320 --> 01:57:14,240
Speaker 1: You got to know the people. So I'm reading Billboard

2467
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:17,520
Speaker 1: one night. It's terrible now, but it was terrible. Then

2468
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:20,360
Speaker 1: in between the Timothy White made it someone Okay, I

2469
01:57:20,440 --> 01:57:23,360
Speaker 1: said this is terrible. I could do a better job

2470
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:27,120
Speaker 1: than this. So I started the newsletter and I said,

2471
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:32,040
Speaker 1: I have a target number of people that if they

2472
01:57:32,640 --> 01:57:35,520
Speaker 1: do if they subscribe, I will continue doing it. I

2473
01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:38,000
Speaker 1: was really doing is an advertisement for myself to get

2474
01:57:38,040 --> 01:57:41,200
Speaker 1: into the job. What I did not expect is generally speaking,

2475
01:57:41,640 --> 01:57:44,640
Speaker 1: only the most successful people subscribe. The heads of all

2476
01:57:44,680 --> 01:57:47,800
Speaker 1: the labels, they could hear something contrary, and at the

2477
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,240
Speaker 1: time it was all tips. I gotta do stuff, not

2478
01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:56,080
Speaker 1: tips about records. Nineties were very bleak. Just no, that's

2479
01:57:56,080 --> 01:57:57,920
Speaker 1: what I was doing. First. It was the full time

2480
01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:00,720
Speaker 1: effort to write it more times to day. I know,

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Speaker 1: it's like you know, but the right the dark ages. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, you had to print it, you had to

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Speaker 1: put it in the envelopes, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. But um,

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Speaker 1: then the year I got very into the Internet because

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01:58:16,360 --> 01:58:18,920
Speaker 1: I had a free subscription to a well when it

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Speaker 1: was right right even before that. And then of course

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Speaker 1: we're friendly with Geiger. What we're friendly with at this

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Speaker 1: then because he's you know, he's a big proponent early

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Speaker 1: days adopter. Let's not talk. I mean, I'm good with

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Speaker 1: Geiger and he's great at w M E. But that's

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Speaker 1: a whole different job. But I have some artist direct stock.

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Speaker 1: How much it? And then did you put into artist

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01:58:42,360 --> 01:58:45,400
Speaker 1: direct stock? I want to talk about. Okay, without obviously

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01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:49,320
Speaker 1: crashed soon after went public. Uh but when Napster happened,

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Speaker 1: I was I was a lawyer. I knew what was

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Speaker 1: going on, and I was totally Internet savvy. So that's

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Speaker 1: what happened there. But now you know, have to tell me,

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Speaker 1: you know, but how does this news letter generate? Well?

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Speaker 1: At this point. I charge for the newsletter and then email.

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Speaker 1: It's free, right, But what I found is, and I

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Speaker 1: don't have enough time, and I want to board the

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Speaker 1: audience with how I decided to make it free by

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Speaker 1: being free. I was at the cutting edge of everything. Accidentally. Okay,

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01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:21,960
Speaker 1: I had this book. I go to this conference and

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01:59:22,040 --> 01:59:27,880
Speaker 1: Aspen first year, they sent an email contact list and

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01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:31,160
Speaker 1: it's like, also, did you get an interstant response? Then

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01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:33,960
Speaker 1: I had this David Geffen book, The Operator, a weekend

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01:59:34,040 --> 01:59:37,640
Speaker 1: before anybody, and I wrote about it, and then I

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01:59:37,720 --> 01:59:39,640
Speaker 1: got the response. And then I had a directory which

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Speaker 1: had some email addresses from my subscriber list. Said it

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're experiencing, you know, virality. Remember

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Speaker 1: Jefferson Holt, who was the manager. He starts email and go, well,

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Speaker 1: it's fine, how did you get it? Well, I got

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Speaker 1: it from Mark Williams. Well, Mark Williams wasn't a subscriber either.

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Speaker 1: So that's when I started experience virality and this result

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Speaker 1: of being free. This was before everybody said give it

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Speaker 1: away for free. I was hearing from people all over

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Speaker 1: the world and became, you know, an interesting thing. And

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Speaker 1: of course music was a canary in the coal mine

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Speaker 1: for this digital disruption for fifteen years we figured it out.

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Speaker 1: They still think, you know, and then in the movie

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02:00:17,680 --> 02:00:22,480
Speaker 1: business they're going to counteract it somehow. But also I

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Speaker 1: grew up in the era where music was everything, and

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Speaker 1: music right now the politics is the thing. But they

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Speaker 1: don't want to they don't want to own that. Well music, music, okay,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, it's really about the politics thing. But

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Speaker 1: as far as I'll give you more detail because I

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Speaker 1: want to bore the audience at another time. But I

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Speaker 1: love that you asked me. But we have to. We've

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Speaker 1: come to the end of the feeling we've known. George,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for being on and tell these great stories.

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Speaker 1: Hope it was boring either. Until next time. This is

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Speaker 1: Bob Left