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Speaker 1: The fields. Honor Broup proudly presents Huddle Ups with Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: J P. Shadrick, John Oser, and NFL Network analyst and

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Speaker 1: former Jaguar Bucky Brooks bring you the latest on your

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville jack Wars. We've got to look to the draft,

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Speaker 1: We've got to look to developing the guys that are

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Speaker 1: as we can. Huddle Up With Bucky Brooks starts right now.

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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Wednesday, March fifteenth.

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Speaker 1: JP Shadrick with NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks, Jaguars dot

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Speaker 1: the podcast page at Jaguars dot com or as you like,

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Speaker 1: we are doing right now the official Jaguars Podcast network

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Speaker 1: that's on iHeartRadio, iTunes, Spotify, or wherever else you download

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Speaker 1: your podcasts. And here we are just hours away as

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Speaker 1: we record this from the start of the league year.

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Speaker 1: The ball drops at four o'clock Eastern time, Wednesday the fifteenth,

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Speaker 1: that's today. You know a lot of news already coming

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Speaker 1: out Bucky. That's how it works in the negotiation window,

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Speaker 1: and it'll become all official after four o'clock today. Yeah, now,

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Speaker 1: let's uh. It's kind of crazy watching it all take place,

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Speaker 1: like all of the unofficial deals that have hit the market.

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Speaker 1: But one thing that we know is when the league

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Speaker 1: year starts, everything will be fast and furious, not only

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Speaker 1: with the signings that we've heard about, but then when

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Speaker 1: I see some angks j from it from whom they're

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Speaker 1: it's reported that Joan Taylor is signing with the Kanzi Chiefs. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's reported that arden Key is signing with the Tennessee Titans. Right,

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Speaker 1: they're getting complacent. They're not doing this, they're not doing that.

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Speaker 1: This was the plan. This isn't complacency. This is trying

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Speaker 1: you went to a basketball school, Bucky, but down here

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Speaker 1: of Jim for money A lot of coffees at Jack's

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