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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I've never told you, production by Heart Radio, and it

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Speaker 1: is time for another edition of Female First, which means

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Speaker 1: we are once again joined by the terrific, the fabulous Eves. Welcome. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you just reminded me that we haven't seen you since

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Speaker 1: New Year's yea, and I had. I had a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt it, but I understood though. That's why

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Speaker 2: I didn't give you any flag for it, because I

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Speaker 2: was like, wait a second. Last time we talked, you

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Speaker 2: were like, see you in the New year. Somehow we're

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Speaker 2: half the month in already.

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Speaker 1: It's true, It's true. Well, how was New Year's for you?

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Speaker 1: How has the New Year been?

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Speaker 2: The New Year has been good? Honestly, I know it's

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Speaker 2: the whole thing, you know, refresh restart. People arguing about

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Speaker 2: whether it's a real restarts the middle of winter, YadA, YadA, YadA,

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Speaker 2: so forth and so on, But it really does feel

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Speaker 2: like a refresh like kind of a restart. For me.

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Speaker 2: It's off to a good start. I am like not,

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Speaker 2: I have goals that I have not been, you know,

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Speaker 2: pressuring myself about that. I feel like I'm managing well.

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Speaker 2: I have some Sankalpla's basically commitments I've created for myself

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Speaker 2: for this year for things that I'm not doing and

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Speaker 2: anything that I'm not doing, anything that I am doing

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Speaker 2: that so far, you know, it's going okay. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's it's been good. The actual New Year celebration for me,

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Speaker 2: I didn't do anything, which is what I wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: So it's fine and yeah, so I think over all

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Speaker 2: I can say thumbs up to it. What about y'all

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Speaker 2: thumbs up? I feel.

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Speaker 1: Samantha asked me about the New Year, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: it's like it just passed me by.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I feel I'm stuck in some kind of temporal disintegration.

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Speaker 1: We talked about this is where people don't know what

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Speaker 1: time it is anymore, and so I just have like

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Speaker 1: random days. I know something important is happening, but mostly

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Speaker 1: it's been kind of the same, the same stuff. Really busy.

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Speaker 1: I will say, it's been a very busy start to

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Speaker 1: the New year. But we got snow that was exciting.

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Speaker 1: We talked about that in our experience with snow in

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Speaker 2: The thing is the thing about that though other people

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Speaker 2: are excited for us too. So I was talking to

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Speaker 2: someone recently who doesn't even live here. She lives on

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Speaker 2: the other side of the country, just like, oh, I

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Speaker 2: see y'all got snow in Atlanta. We haven't gotten any yet, Like, wow,

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Speaker 2: the whole nation is watching Atlanta and excite it for us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it. I don't know if y'all

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Speaker 2: saw the Shenanigans on online or on the news, but

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you haven't, you will probably get a

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Speaker 2: good keick out of that.

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Speaker 3: I think my TikTok was flooded with Atlanta snow content

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Speaker 3: and most of the people going this is why Atlanta

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Speaker 3: can't have snow, and everybody doing something really ridiculous, like

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Speaker 3: a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Like skiing down streets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we saw lots of that, people trying to slid

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Speaker 3: and they weren't really bad at it, like so many

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Speaker 2: But they were having a good time.

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Speaker 3: But my favorite part is seeing people's reaction and being like,

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Speaker 3: good for you. This is nice to be excited about

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Speaker 3: something we hate, Like like people from New York and

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Speaker 3: love seeing that joy in you. So it felt like

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Speaker 3: a good little reprieve with all the chaos in the world,

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Speaker 3: especially in that our country, with the very very different

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Speaker 3: Maybe it was COVID, maybe it is age. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: They're doing this.

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Speaker 3: I didn't get any of that. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, there's usually like some sort of some sort

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Speaker 3: You want you're not gonna want to miss the countdown

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Speaker 3: for the see any.

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Speaker 2: We're tired, We're tired. We're all tired, apparently.

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Speaker 3: But it was nice to not do things. And I

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Speaker 3: went to bed immediately at twelve fifteen.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, I have to say.

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: I'm very, very excited to talk about the person we're

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Speaker 1: talking about today, because just by the like headlines I

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Speaker 1: saw alone, I was like, oh my gosh. But before

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Speaker 1: Samantha's thoughts about this, how are you with plants?

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Speaker 2: So as a caretaker? Is that what you're asking? Horrible

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Speaker 2: horrible not plant mom, whatever, this whole millennial plant parent

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Speaker 2: thing is. I'm not part of the crew. I kill them,

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Speaker 2: I didn't do any farming tending to gardens anything like that.

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Speaker 2: My mom did a little bit of that, but not

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Speaker 2: in a really major way, so I didn't have that

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Speaker 2: be a houseplant parent, and I've had people give me

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Speaker 2: feelings for them, but those feelings just don't actually pan

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Speaker 2: out to actually equally care. So, you know, just I

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Speaker 2: have no plants now, so that now that i've you know,

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Speaker 2: I've i've lived on the road, I've gotten rid of

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Speaker 2: of my own plants right now. So I'm bad with plants.

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Speaker 2: Love to look at them, love to be in them,

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Speaker 2: love to frolic in them, love to smell them, all

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Speaker 2: of that. I admire them from a distance. You have

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Speaker 2: feelings for them. I really like that term. That's that's good.

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Speaker 2: That's good. I do because you know, they're dramatic. And

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Speaker 2: I get that I'm not a good plant parent, but

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Speaker 3: Do you do we really have to be that.

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Speaker 2: I'm melodramatic here. I get it.

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Speaker 3: You have had too much water and I've done too much.

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Speaker 2: I get it right, Like I can't. I've already I've

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Speaker 2: already chosen the hardiest plants. I can't, like, I don't

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Speaker 3: Well, then you find out that the colorful flowers is

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Speaker 3: the death blue. Oh that's so good, you pretty, but

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Speaker 3: that's not supposed to happen. Yeahause I have learned in

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Speaker 3: the midst of like people trying to get me to

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Speaker 2: It's like it's really nice either. It's really nice to

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Speaker 2: be around people who do know a lot about plants,

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Speaker 2: and he was just telling me to like, put a

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Speaker 2: banana peel in your plant water, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: I have no idea. That's the easy. That's something easy

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Speaker 2: that I can understand. Don't ask me about the chemistry

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that that the level of knowledge that people

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Speaker 1: Well maybe in the new year.

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Speaker 2: You knew you Amy, don't try to add to anything.

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Speaker 2: I've got a lot of stuff going on, and you

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Speaker 2: know me, if I do, you might tempt me. I

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Speaker 1: I did not didn't mean to set some kind of trap.

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Speaker 2: I really did. Well.

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Speaker 1: I am so so excited to talk about the story

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Speaker 1: of the person that you brought today. Eves.

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Speaker 2: Who are we talking about today? We're talking about es Mahea.

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Speaker 2: She was the first so we're talking about plants because

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Speaker 2: she was the first Mexican American woman botanist and she

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Speaker 2: Denali National Park. So she know far what I'm saying

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Speaker 2: about myself and how I am with plants. That was

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Speaker 2: She studied a lot of plants. So I, too, Annie

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Speaker 2: Like this intersection of person that she is is just

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Speaker 2: Like Inas Mahia actually went on these fantastic travels where

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Speaker 2: with help from other people around her, of course, which

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Speaker 2: is something we'll talk about when we get there. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm excited too. I'm excited to talk about her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And she's also such a great story of someone

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Speaker 1: I want to do this and I love that. So

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Speaker 1: shall we get into the history.

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Speaker 2: Yes. So her name was yez Enriquetta Julieta Mehia, and

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Speaker 2: she was born on May twenty fourth, eighteen seventy, in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 2: So she came from a kind of well off background.

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Speaker 2: Her father was General Enrique A. Mehia, who was a

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Speaker 2: Sarah Wilmer Mehia, and they had some family history in

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Speaker 2: other siblings from a previous marriage, but they weren't in Washington,

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Speaker 2: DC that long. When Inez was around one, they moved

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Speaker 2: she's totally adventurous. Yes, she's totally capable. Yes, she seemed

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Speaker 2: So these were definitely group efforts. So though in her

433
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 2: collecting efforts, she ended up falling over a cliff, y'all.

434
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry it is not funny. It's not funny,

435
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 2: but I mean, just imagine the dedication of somebody's you know,

436
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: there's a cliff there and I really have to I

437
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: have to get to this specimen. I'm really invested in

438
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: collecting it, and I fall over. It's like a movie moment.

439
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 2: It's a total movie moment. And falling over a cliff

440
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: for you to because you're going to your highest heights

441
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: to be able to do what you're doing. She ended

442
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 2: up breaking some ribs and injuring her hand, and fortunately

443
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 2: she wasn't too badly. You know this didn't stop her

444
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: from continuing in her collecting journey. This is at the

445
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 2: end of her story, y'all, like many more years, okay, right.

446
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 3: He disclaimer, Sorry, no, this is.

447
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: Not the literal finger. So she had to go back

448
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 2: to California. But she had collected about five hundred species,

449
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: and one of them that she collected was the first

450
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: to be named after her, and Mimosa mehie. Somebody's probably

451
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: going to correct me. That knows a lot more about

452
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: Latin terminology that I than I do. But the she

453
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 2: she would go on to have many other secimens named

454
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: after her. But anyway, the collecting process itself, just a

455
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: little bit about what she actually had to go through

456
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: could be difficult. So she had to hike, She had

457
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: to travel in canoes and boats. She had to ride

458
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: horses because the places she was going was remote. Obviously

459
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 2: she needed some sort of transportation to get from one

460
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 2: place to another. And it was also expensive because she

461
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: had to have equipment on her and she had to

462
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 2: carry that around with her. She had to carry a

463
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: dryer and a plant press for her specimens, and she

464
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: had to bring a camera, a compass, and other items

465
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 2: for general survival. So I am thinking, I mean I've backpacked,

466
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: you know, I've camped to understand what it's like to

467
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: carry things on your back and be like going for

468
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 2: miles and then having to sleep wherever you are. But

469
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 2: imagine just having your gear for survival, but then on

470
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 2: top of that, you also have to carry your equipment

471
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: that you have to have for your job, which is

472
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: also heavy. So she had packed animals and a lot

473
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 2: of times she had you know, her guides with her

474
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 2: as well. But that doesn't make it less of a

475
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: difficult and arduous process because she's doing something that's physically

476
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: intense in her hiking, and she's she's got a goal

477
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: in collecting all these specimens which she has to dry

478
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: and take back with her.

479
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: So she.

480
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 2: Had to go through that in her collecting process. And

481
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 2: when she went out on her first trip that kind

482
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 2: of didn't start. As part of that exhibition, that expedition

483
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 2: that we just talked about, Inez got several herbariums in

484
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: natural history institutes to pay or agree to pay her

485
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: twenty cents per specimen, and in August nineteen twenty six

486
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: she left San Francisco and she soon arrived and Sinaloa.

487
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 2: She hired a guy named Mauro, and they packed the

488
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: plants and had to press them to dry them. And

489
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: there are some notes that she took about her travels,

490
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: documenting the specimens that she was collecting and the nature

491
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: that she was seeing along the way. And she said,

492
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: the wild fig tree Ficus mexicanomic here grows to huge

493
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: proportions as the green fruit hung high. Maro defintely lassoed

494
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: some fruiting branches. For me, appreciate that instance of her

495
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: talking about the guide and clearly how he's used to

496
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: the terrain because it's his area, and he knows how

497
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: to interact with the nature. He knows how to get

498
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: the fruit from it. However, she documented her own prejudices

499
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: toward indigenous people in more than one instance. But in

500
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: one instance, for example, she wrote about how she didn't

501
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: want to guard because it was recommended that she had

502
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: a guard for where she was going. She said, I

503
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: would feel as though I were underguard. But I am

504
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: terribly intrigued with the idea of the Indians and the mountains.

505
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: They are not savage Indians like the Yaquis, just shy

506
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: and afraid of strangers. So this was a sentiment that

507
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: came up with her more than once about her thinking

508
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: about Native Americans and indigenous people in a way as

509
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: if there were savages, expecting them to be savages, and

510
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: when they weren't that was a surprise for her. That

511
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: seemed like that was an abnormality. So she definitely exhibited

512
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: her prejudices in her writing as well. But she continued

513
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: to go on more collecting trips. She hired locals to

514
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: help her. She talked about more of her guides in Mexico.

515
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: She talked about how, in one instance, it was one

516
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: of her guys named Jose, how he could get along

517
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: in the dark much better that she could. She was like,

518
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: I could keep up with him in the daytime, but

519
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: like you know, at a certain point in the dark,

520
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: he would get really ahead of me and he would

521
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: have to wait a long time on her. So she

522
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: documented her difficulties and like the physical strenuousness of what

523
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: she was doing. She ended up going to Alaska in

524
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty eight when the British Museum of Natural History

525
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: funded a trip for her to go there. She went

526
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: with a young botanist named Francis Payne. But another situation

527
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: in which she was like, I think I needed this

528
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: on my own because she's slow me down. So she

529
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 2: kind of left France's pain behind, and she was venturing

530
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: into places where botanical collection hadn't yet occurred in her

531
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: in this way of collecting, Like, who's to say it.

532
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: There were indigenous people already collecting plants there, but in

533
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: this way of documenting specimens, it hadn't occurred. And most

534
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: of the time it was just her and her pack

535
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: dogs and rain, cold temperatures, wind, and fragile plants really

536
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: made the collection process that was already a hard thing

537
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: even harder, and an Alaskan had to rescue her from

538
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: her campsite when she got lost because of heavy snow

539
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: on September twelfth. I saw a quote of hers later

540
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: on where she says, I never got lost. I'm not

541
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: sure if I included that in this conversation, but I

542
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: thought back about this situation. I'm like, I feel like

543
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: this counts as you getting lost. This was, but it

544
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: was because that specific quote that I saw was it

545
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: seemed to be a response to people saying, while you're

546
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: doing all this on your own as a woman, this

547
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: is the thing that other women don't do, And she's like,

548
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: you know, I never got lost. I never did this.

549
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: It wasn't that difficult for me. But she clearly had challenges.

550
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: You know, this was difficult to range. She was just

551
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: up to the challenge. It was. It was challenges that

552
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: she was willing to go go through. But she met

553
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: Nina Floyd Bracelin in nineteen twenty seven at the University

554
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: of California and they started working together. And their relationship

555
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: was very key in Ineza's legacy because Inez would collect

556
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: and Nina was sort in process. So Inez wasn't really

557
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: into the sort and in processing situation. She would go

558
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: into the field. She was a field worker. She would

559
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: go in and she would collect the plants, but she

560
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: didn't do the sorting and the processing afterwards. So it

561
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: was a pretty handy relationship. And Nina would also handle

562
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: paperwork in raising money. So the adventures are numerous. Inez

563
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: spent time living collecting in Brazil. She traveled up the Amazon,

564
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: she went to Peru, she hired porters and canoe people,

565
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: guides hunters, She met native folks and she brought them

566
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: small gifts along the way, like fish hooks, and when

567
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: she was traveling up the Amazon, she has you can

568
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: read about how she was on the raft and they

569
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: went through like whirlpools and they got shot out one way,

570
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: and it was hard for them to get to the

571
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: banks of the Amazon because rafts aren't very navigable, like

572
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: they're not that you can't really handle them that well.

573
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: I mean, don't ask me about it. I've been in

574
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: a kayak and I've had I'm not let's just put

575
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: it this way. I'm not the biggest fan of kayaking,

576
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: and I can't imagine what it would be like being

577
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: on a raft in these conditions. But she was guided

578
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: by capable hands. Even in capable hands, nature can be unpredictable.

579
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: So Inez ended up going all over South America over

580
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: the rest of her life, you know, Ecuador, Argentina, Bolivia, Chile,

581
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 2: collecting plants dedicated to her mission, and she did gain

582
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: notoriety for her work. She was invited to speak about it.

583
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: She kept writing to that doctor we talked about earlier

584
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: in the episode who helped her out, who his name was,

585
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: doctor Philip King Brown. She kept writing to him, and

586
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: she told a news reporter in nineteen thirty seven, this

587
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: is a quote, so I do have it. So the

588
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 2: quote was, I don't think there's any place in the

589
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: world where a woman can't venture alone. In all my travels,

590
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: I've never been attacked by a wild animal. Lost my

591
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: way are called a disease. Okay, so I guess technically,

592
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: ain't you know how to break bad? I feel like

593
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 2: it's just a little shaky on the lost thing. So

594
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: maybe she didn't make it to her campsite, but she

595
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: had to be pulled out.

596
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 3: She made it out. Maybe that's what she meant.

597
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 2: Maybe that's true. Yeah, so she said though that now

598
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: that after now that I'm back, after more than two

599
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: years in the whiles of South America, I find myself

600
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: longing for a nice, quiet jungle again, she said at

601
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 2: one point. And I just wanted to include that quote.

602
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: Because she liked the experience of being in the wilderness.

603
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: It wasn't It was clear that she was drawn to

604
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 2: it because she spent she spent years on collecting expeditions,

605
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 2: and she pressed through difficult situations, climbed rock walls, you know,

606
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: went through she had her guys cut through, like used

607
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: a machete to cut through bramble for her, got back

608
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: later than anticipated to sites that they needed to get through.

609
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: You know, she went through There were a lot of

610
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 2: physical challenges along the way, and that was what filled

611
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: her up. That was what filled her cup. She really

612
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: loved being there. So it's nice to see her reflect

613
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 2: on just that, the good time that she had when

614
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 2: she was outdoors. You know, it was about the collecting,

615
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: of course, it was about the science, but she was

616
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: actually enjoying what she was doing, and she did do

617
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: more adventuring and collecting in Mexico once again. Later in

618
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: her life, she injured herself in a fall. I think

619
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: she slipped when she was going across a river, a

620
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: crossing rocks something like that. She did end up recovering

621
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 2: enough to keep exploring, but she was feeling more periods

622
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: of sickness and weakness and she had to head back

623
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: to the United States. In May of nineteen thirty eight,

624
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: she made it back to San Francisco, but she was

625
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: diagnosed with lung cancer. It seemed to have come on

626
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 2: pretty quickly, like she realized she was sick, went back quickly,

627
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: was diagnosed quickly, and she died on July twelfth, nineteen

628
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: thirty eight. In her well, she gave money to the

629
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: California Academy of Sciences, were her longtime you know, collaborator

630
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: Nina Bracelin, who was also called Bracy, so she could

631
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: keep working at the California Academy of Sciences on Eneza's

632
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 2: collections and on other plant collections. So she allowed her

633
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: money helped fund Nina to be able to continue working.

634
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: She also gave money to save the Red Woods League

635
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: and the Sierra Club, which we've already talked about. She

636
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: was dedicated to before, so makes sense that she gave

637
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: them money. And she had collected about one hundred and

638
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,479
Speaker 2: forty five thousand specimens, maybe more I've seen, I've seen more.

639
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: It's said that she collected one hundred and forty thousand

640
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 2: to one hundred fifty around that amount of specimens, even

641
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 2: though she never formally described any plants herself. She didn't

642
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: collect that many, and there are plants named after her,

643
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: and many of her photos are in the archives at

644
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: the California Academy of Sciences, and there is if anybody

645
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: is interested in reading an oral history about her, there

646
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: is one in the z Mahia Botanical Collections at the

647
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Speaker 2: University of California, Berkeley that people can access. They were

648
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: conducted in nineteen sixty five. In nineteen sixty seven, by

649
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Speaker 2: Annetta Carter. This is an oral history with Bracy So

650
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 2: Nina Floyd Bracelin. This is an interview with her, and

651
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: in it you can read the whole thing. But in

652
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: it she talks about how Enes stabbed a grad student.

653
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Speaker 2: So in the rundown, there was a grad student who

654
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: was essentially teasing Enez a little bit. They were out

655
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: for lunch, like eating sandwich, and Nina said, quote, she

656
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 2: reached at her with a great big knife and jabbed

657
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: her and ruined the stocking, of course, and cut her leg. Afterwards,

658
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: I said, now listen, this is terrible, and you've got

659
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: to buy two new pairs of stockings for that girl.

660
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: She cannot afford this. Look what you've done to her.

661
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 2: And it was bleeding. You know, it wasn't too serious

662
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 2: end quote. Okay, y'all can continue reading that inter or

663
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: that part of the interview. But I just think it's

664
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Speaker 2: it's I don't know if it was just a time

665
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: or what, but they seem very concerned about her stockings

666
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: rather than her legs.

667
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: Get her two new ones.

668
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 2: Just two new stockings. No band aids, no bandages, no, no,

669
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: nothing about wound dressing or antiseptics or whatever. You call

670
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: it and you need to be able to deal with

671
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: this wound. Instead, just these buy the girl some stockings.

672
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: She can't afford this.

673
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 3: Those are not like silk, right, like during that time

674
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Speaker 3: they were expensive.

675
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: They must have been, Samantha, I say it. But to

676
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Speaker 2: be honest, though, the other thing that stood out to

677
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: me about this interaction just kind of put in the

678
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: pieces together about how people have described Ess. They say

679
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: that she didn't want to be around people, She didn't

680
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: really like people, seemingly, It's kind of what it said

681
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: because in this same oral history, Bracy said that In

682
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: seemed to like her Bracy, she seemed to like her

683
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: more than other people. So she was like one of

684
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: the few people that Ines could could handle it up with. Yeah, exactly.

685
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Speaker 2: So I'm wondering about Inez's character and was she kind

686
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: of a This is me trying to put a character

687
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 2: together who I didn't know, But it's like what she

688
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 2: she she spent so much time around plants and in

689
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: the outdoor. She loved plants more than she loved people.

690
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: Is like, I'm wondering if that's her tagline because she

691
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: was always leaving people behind, didn't want to go bring

692
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 2: other people in expeditions, besides the people that she would

693
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: meet in the locales that she was going to that

694
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 2: could help her work. So these were people who weren't

695
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: her friends or she met them in the course of

696
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: her work. I'll say that much. I can't say that

697
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: they weren't her friends didn't become her friends. But I'm

698
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: curious about that part of her personality. And the other

699
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: thing about this interaction that makes me curious is how

700
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: calculated it was. Because in the oral History, Bracy said

701
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 2: that she wanted it to look like it was Yes's

702
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: idea to replace the stockings. So she's like, I know

703
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: that Inez won't of her own volition, be like I

704
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: think I should get the girl some more stockings. She's like, no,

705
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 2: I'm standing on business. I get stabbed her and I

706
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: meant it. So Bracy had to be that person who's like,

707
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: I need to make it look like it's her idea,

708
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: just to make it better, which is funny but also

709
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: kind of scary, you know. So anyway, she got read

710
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,959
Speaker 2: the rested of that if you want to. Inez also

711
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: published notes from and accounts from her travels in different publications.

712
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: She was a member of the California Botanical Society, the

713
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: Sierra Club, the Audubon Association of the Pacific, and other organizations,

714
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: and you can see her specimen collections. I haven't had

715
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: the privilege, but you can see our specimen collections at

716
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 2: the California Academy of Sciences, and parts of it are

717
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: duplicated at other institutions in the United States and Europe.

718
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 2: And Anneza's papers are at the California Academy Science and

719
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: in the Berkeley Library at the University of California. So

720
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: there is other stuff you can see. You can research

721
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: some of the other specimens she's collected, stuff that's been

722
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: named after her. But I think it's a pretty cool story.

723
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: I'm here for adventure. I like to feel like and

724
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: think that and say that I have an adventurer spirit.

725
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: Love being in the outdoors. I like hiking. I like

726
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: plants and trees as even though I'm not a good

727
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: plant parent, I like them. I like you know, so

728
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: I I really enjoyed In as a story. Definitely complexities

729
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: in there, definitely threads of environmental protection and conservation that

730
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: are super important threads of doing whatever you want to

731
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: do at any point in your life that you want

732
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: to do. If you want to do it. I mean,

733
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 2: there are so many themes and messages that I think

734
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: are valuable in it as a story.

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Speaker 1: Yes, completely agree. I mean we say it every time,

736
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: but I don't know why there's not a miniseries on

737
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: this woman's life. This is falling off a cliff where I.

738
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 3: Can get all violence and adventure romance and come on.

739
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: A woman who hates other people but loves plants.

740
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: Like he's turning point. Maybe it was a midlife crisis

741
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: where he was like, I'm gonna need you to go

742
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 3: out because you might help somebody. Yeah, like I wonder,

743
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: like what you know, but that is kind of the

744
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 3: beginning times of like really trying to figure out your life,

745
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 3: and like my life is. Her life was made up

746
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: of like a ranch that she didn't really want, and

747
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 3: I can't imagine being a woman owner of a ranch

748
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 3: and like that already sounds kind of like intense and

749
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: it's in itself, and then being married to people that

750
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 3: you don't really want to be married to but you're like, yeah,

751
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 3: I did it, I'm here, and then figuring out but

752
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 3: I really like these plants and I can go and

753
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 3: sit and listen to birds and look and discover new

754
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: things and just be here like that's a lot of

755
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: it kind of sounds like finding herself. It's like love

756
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 3: prey eat but not but lance right, and how that

757
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: goes movie by the way, I don't even.

758
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: Know close enough.

759
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: I got your point, thank you, Yes, that one.

760
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: Well, it's also really fascinating to me. I also feel

761
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: like I have an adventurous spirit, but I'm I'm a

762
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: big nerd and like people are still discovering things today,

763
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: like new plants and new animals. I was reading about

764
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: a new animal that was discovered yesterday and it was

765
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: just like, there's still so much to explore and discover

766
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: and it's.

767
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: Amazing.

768
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: The flip side is, of course the the sad necessity

769
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: of the preservation part, but like she did so much

770
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: as staggering how much she did, how many things she found,

771
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: because I'm someone who I would just be out and

772
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know has that been discovered?

773
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 2: How well I know that a.

774
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: New Obviously I haven't studied it, so that that doesn't help, honestly, And.

775
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 2: You probably stepped on a plant that was probably very

776
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: Protestant at some point.

777
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: This is this is your revenge. Be trying to trick

778
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: you into being a plant mom. Yeah.

779
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: Wow. But the other side of that, too, Annie, is

780
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 2: that there are probably specimens gone that she ran across

781
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: in her collections that no longer exist. I mean, she

782
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: was in South Americas, in Brazil, she was in Amazon.

783
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: A lot of that has come on now. Yeah, unfortunately.

784
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm glad it's all you can see it.

785
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: You can see a lot of it online. There is

786
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: a I didn't watch it, but I saw that there's

787
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: a PBS documentary. So there's a lot of stuff about

788
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: her life. There's still no mini series, unfortunately, but you

789
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: can find a lot about her, and she just sounds

790
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: like a fascinating complex character.

791
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think y'all are right. I think you're right, Samantha.

792
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: There should be some sort of dramatization, some sort of

793
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 2: It's they have all the markers for a great story.

794
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 2: You got the insiding and as you've got the turning point,

795
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: you know, you got the heroes, journeys, traveling, I mean

796
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: some one. Yeah, so maybe maybe y'all should y'all should

797
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: be the ones to champion talking about this every time

798
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: we have IV. It's true, it's not our original story

799
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: at all. That's literally someone's legacy. But no, seriously, it's

800
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: it's worth covering a lot more. I mean, it's fascinating.

801
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating story, really is Wow.

802
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: I cannot recommend enough listeners go research more. But as always,

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00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: thank you so much Ease for bringing this this story

804
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Speaker 1: to us. I had no idea about it, and I

805
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: love learning about it, and thank you for being here.

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Speaker 1: We always love seeing.

807
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