Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to another dish to all the Smoke. Brother, are
Speaker 1: you I'm good man? Yourself couldn't be better? It couldn't
Speaker 1: be better. Yes, we gotta go with today. We've been
Speaker 1: asking for this man. We've been asking for this man
Speaker 1: and he just popped up on us today unexpected and
Speaker 1: blessed us. And he's still looking forwards Weed Baron Davis,
Speaker 1: boom Diesel, my dogs. What's up? Bro? This is the
Speaker 1: dumbest show. Well, I just want to give you roses.
Speaker 1: Y'all doing the damn thing and motherfucker's out here. You
Speaker 1: need to pay attention because this is like some new ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And y'all really get into
Speaker 1: the hardest ship asking like I watched your motherfucker's go
Speaker 1: from like can't you even read? You know what? That
Speaker 1: dropped out of school? You know what I mean? No,
Speaker 1: but you graduated and dropped out and he never went
Speaker 1: to school and sow the sea. How to be able
Speaker 1: to do this? Man? It's like this is my favorite shop.
Speaker 1: In turn be at the studio back to back. This
Speaker 1: is the one. Right he went to school, but I
Speaker 1: didn't go to school. And he got a degree and
Speaker 1: he went to class, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: he just like the once he was done with school,
Speaker 1: he just like, funk it. I'm I don't want nothing.
Speaker 1: By was crazy? What was one thing you took from?
Speaker 1: Really just like get back to being who I wanted
Speaker 1: to be, you know what I mean, and like learn
Speaker 1: to appreciate what I have, Appreciate the time that I
Speaker 1: got with my kids and ship like that. And then
Speaker 1: I think I would say, like on a macro standpoint,
Speaker 1: it's like I'm looking at this world and I'm looking
Speaker 1: at black people, and I'm like, yo, we got an
Speaker 1: opportunity to like actually be who we are supposed to
Speaker 1: be in our generation. Got a chance to pioneer that ship.
Speaker 1: And it started with this young man right here, and
Speaker 1: I'm just so proud of him for that. So it
Speaker 1: was just like he set the standard. And then you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, fucking let's we gotta figure it out. I mean,
Speaker 1: what was your thought when you've seen I mean this, dude,
Speaker 1: you know, our brother led the biggest protests in the
Speaker 1: history of our country, sights without sixteen countries, eighteen countries.
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts when you're seeing this dude on TV?
Speaker 1: I was praying for him. I was praying for him.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you found like I was praying
Speaker 1: for him, and I remember I came was like dog
Speaker 1: and mounted that this is this is your thing? You
Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying, like, this is like this your
Speaker 1: calling homie, and like, can't nobody take that ship away?
Speaker 1: Because we've been through worse ship, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: who's like more forgiving, right, who's more at peace with himself?
Speaker 1: And that peaceful guy? So go out there and walk, bro,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be are praying for you, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm gonna be here trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how to make all this ship move on the back end,
Speaker 1: oh my end, you know what I mean? It was
Speaker 1: hella inspired. I was like, Yo, you're gone, You're enough
Speaker 1: the priest good. Imagine that that'd mean dope? I mean
Speaker 1: obviously you know, fuscile justice is something we've been in.
Speaker 1: You made a very hard felt post the other day
Speaker 1: about the Asian hate and how it needs to stop.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? Talk Like I said, as as
Speaker 1: a black community feel that we have a chance to
Speaker 1: advance right now. But so at the same time, there's
Speaker 1: stuff that brings us back down to reality daily, such
Speaker 1: as these random hate cries between you know, people abusing
Speaker 1: elder Asians, people abusing the Latino uh you know, uh
Speaker 1: street workers. What are your thought with all that stuff? Man?
Speaker 1: I just think that for us and where we're at,
Speaker 1: like it's time for us to like come together and
Speaker 1: bring people with us, right. And so when I made
Speaker 1: that statement, it's like I got Asian homies, who are
Speaker 1: my brothers, you know what I mean? We all got
Speaker 1: Asian homies and Asian home girls, and like families that
Speaker 1: like to care of me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And companies I invested in and I know what they're
Speaker 1: trying to do. And you know, I was a part
Speaker 1: of this Stop to Hate. Our hate is a virus,
Speaker 1: the campaign, and and to me it just really meant
Speaker 1: something because those are people, right, and the stereotypes that
Speaker 1: we've been perpetuating against blacks and Mexicans, blacks and Asians,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's time for us
Speaker 1: to say, nah, we ain't going for that ship no more.
Speaker 1: Like these are folks, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: these are people and that and that's why I stood
Speaker 1: up because I feel like, fuck it, if they're gonna
Speaker 1: do that, then let's all go ball. You know. I
Speaker 1: am like, all right, let's all go gang up and
Speaker 1: now what's happening? You know what I'm saying. So you're
Speaker 1: really all in the same circle. I mean, any kind
Speaker 1: of minority, we in the same kind of fight, know,
Speaker 1: I mean, so they know we might as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I always say the minority. If the majority, man,
Speaker 1: you feel me, they label us the minority to try
Speaker 1: to keep us on, trying to keep us boxes were
Speaker 1: definitely the majority. Tell us about your upbringing South Central
Speaker 1: Grandma was very influential, influential in your life. Tell us
Speaker 1: about your bringing. Man, just you know, grew up kind
Speaker 1: of like the worst way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I grew up the worst way, but also the best way.
Speaker 1: I was trying to explain to somebody. It was like
Speaker 1: like I didn't have nothing, but I did not not
Speaker 1: half without, you know what I mean, Like I had
Speaker 1: everything I needed and I love, but like I didn't
Speaker 1: have that ship. You know. When I walked out my grandparents,
Speaker 1: everything else was checky, everything else was jankie you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, You're saying like you know, I'm in
Speaker 1: the I'm in the you know it's Gotham Park. You
Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying. I'm saying a crip walk is
Speaker 1: darter to go get a free lance then getting mocked
Speaker 1: for two blocks. Come back, they're shooting. You know, we're
Speaker 1: still on the court. We're laughing about it with kids
Speaker 1: like buildings. But you know in the moment, you ain't
Speaker 1: thinking about you like you're laughing because this ship normal.
Speaker 1: You know, you're playing football and homies say hey, man,
Speaker 1: if y'all say hike, we're gonna shoot, We're gonna shoot.
Speaker 1: You all glass up and they're like, hey, for you
Speaker 1: better say hike. You know what I mean, say hike,
Speaker 1: that be be guns. So just like stupid ship, that's
Speaker 1: like hella traumatizing normal, like a normal you know what.
Speaker 1: It was just like it couldn't get no worse, right,
Speaker 1: and so the love inside my Grandma Grandpa Paul house,
Speaker 1: it couldn't be no better, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And so that that was like my escape going up. Man.
Speaker 1: So I got to see it a good and the
Speaker 1: worst in just the hierarchy in the hood. You feel
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like how to live and be there
Speaker 1: for seventy years and all that ship and then like, okay,
Speaker 1: these these are over here. They they ain't got too
Speaker 1: long and what I'm saying, yeah, man, ain't there. We'll
Speaker 1: talk to us about being able growing up in that
Speaker 1: environment and then going to somewhere like Crossroads. Had that
Speaker 1: come about? And how did that shape your you with
Speaker 1: an adult? Yeah, shout out to that family grew Uh.
Speaker 1: I just directed a documentary called Dreamers and Doors for
Speaker 1: k Swiss and Fad work that case. Swiss and he
Speaker 1: had an a team and he saw the point guard
Speaker 1: a Crossroads was like five six, and he was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: Baron can go there. Like he would be a good
Speaker 1: dude to be around white people, you know, because he
Speaker 1: had went to like an integrated school. So he was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: he probably need a chance to like be out this
Speaker 1: ship and being around white people. And now my grandmother,
Speaker 1: one of my good friends, got killed on the bus
Speaker 1: stop the year before I graduated from sixth grade, so like,
Speaker 1: ship is hot, you know what I mean? And she like,
Speaker 1: we gotta figure out a way to like not not
Speaker 1: put this food on the bus, you know what. I
Speaker 1: mean like I'm hearing the conversations, but it's only you.
Speaker 1: Still gotta get on the bus Monday't game? Right? You
Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying? And like that bus stop is hot.
Speaker 1: That's the hottest bus stop, you know, from from two
Speaker 1: o'clock to eight o'clock in the morning. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And so that was like, yeo, what about crossroads?
Speaker 1: So my grandfather rest in peace. He was in his
Speaker 1: last year living. He used to get up in the morning, Bro,
Speaker 1: I'll show you a god, how good God is, and
Speaker 1: drive me to Manchester and Crenshaw that used to come
Speaker 1: from Inglewood. Pick me up on Manchester and Crenshaw, take
Speaker 1: me the crossroads right then come back, double back and
Speaker 1: go all the way to bird Back. And so it
Speaker 1: was like an experiment. I learned a lot of ship.
Speaker 1: I learned a lot of ship about just like race
Speaker 1: in general, you know what I mean at cross roads
Speaker 1: like my homeboy and I don't know even though if
Speaker 1: I can say this ship, but my homeboy taught me
Speaker 1: how to you know, tag and draw gang songs, and
Speaker 1: the Nina taught me how to make a swastika. So
Speaker 1: I'm in class. I'm just like doodling and ship and
Speaker 1: the girls started crying and I'm like, what's she She's like,
Speaker 1: You're crazy. And that's when I learned, like, damn, that's
Speaker 1: not good, you know what I mean. I learned a
Speaker 1: lot of things from Crossroads, right, I learned a lot
Speaker 1: of things. I learned, like, you know what a gay
Speaker 1: person really was, you know what I mean, Like as
Speaker 1: far as like in the hood is one thing, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, But then over here it was
Speaker 1: like celebrating. I was trying. And then it made me
Speaker 1: understand why the kid in my neighborhood was like that,
Speaker 1: but also like you get more fucking with me, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, or hurt like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But she, you know, it was a lot
Speaker 1: of animosity like as she was like as he was
Speaker 1: transition into her and he used to fund people up,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so I learned that
Speaker 1: from Crossroads, you know what I mean. I started learning
Speaker 1: about other cultures and like breaking down stereotyp because they
Speaker 1: was asking me too, who who was I? So I
Speaker 1: had to break down my stereotype too. So that was
Speaker 1: kind of like how God kind of worked and got
Speaker 1: me in that schools. It was. It was that basically
Speaker 1: saying he could play at a five three at five
Speaker 1: three point guard in high school at cross shows, talk
Speaker 1: to us about the basketball side. You started off a
Speaker 1: small dude. We was talking before you even got to
Speaker 1: like a little bear and little bear and grew talk
Speaker 1: to us about just your game and your growth. I
Speaker 1: just let a game. I always had a crazy imagination
Speaker 1: that was five three and ninth grade, five five and
Speaker 1: thirty pounds in tenth grade like five eight or five
Speaker 1: nine and eleven, and I just like I just kept
Speaker 1: I kept growing. And once I got I think I
Speaker 1: was in ten graand was like five five six, I
Speaker 1: dunked and I dunked on all my and once I
Speaker 1: figured out I conduct, I started like playing my teammates
Speaker 1: one on one and Ship and started dunking on him.
Speaker 1: And like once I figured out, like, oh Ship, I
Speaker 1: can dunk like I dunk on the dunk course, it
Speaker 1: was over. And then you know, I would say just
Speaker 1: basketball wise, like being small, like I always had heart,
Speaker 1: you know, I always had defense. Like but it's just
Speaker 1: like once I started growing, and Ship, you're playing with
Speaker 1: the pros now like U C l A. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean you're traveling. I was going to Man,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to catch your fade anywhere I can, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, I'm trying to catch your fade.
Speaker 1: And I remember in Crossroads my senior year, I used
Speaker 1: to drive from Crossroads to Long Beach and because Pat
Speaker 1: Barrett had the gym open and and Tyson Chandler and
Speaker 1: keeling him was my little dog, Cedric Boseman. So I
Speaker 1: used to go practice with them in Long Beach and
Speaker 1: then I you know, circle back, come home, sleep, and
Speaker 1: I was like my routine. I was just I was
Speaker 1: just hungry for a gym, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You're you experienced What was that like? Because you played
Speaker 1: in the time when AU basketball in l A Was
Speaker 1: having a lot of big hitters coming out of this way.
Speaker 1: What was that experience? Like? It was dope? It was
Speaker 1: dope because you got you know, you got Corey you
Speaker 1: like Pat Barry, got Jilani Shay Losing Me Man Jason
Speaker 1: Hard Like they was stacked, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And it was like really like the first wave of
Speaker 1: a you So you had a Nike team and Adida's team,
Speaker 1: you had slamming jam and then we was Kay Swiss
Speaker 1: and we have Paul and so it was like the
Speaker 1: first time people like really started recruiting dudes like we
Speaker 1: we flew kg out to l A. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean to play with I want to hear your
Speaker 1: version of because he was telling us too, yes, all right,
Speaker 1: so that we want to attempt like that. Was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get Tim Thomas because I used to ride
Speaker 1: with that all the time. He was like, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get Tim Thomas. I was like, oh, ship. So I
Speaker 1: used to like read these dudes in magazine and he
Speaker 1: was like, no, I've seen this dude in South Carolina,
Speaker 1: this dude Kevin Garnett, You're gonna be the number one
Speaker 1: player in the country. And I was like, man, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: Like so Kevin Garnett flying in. So Kevin gar Net
Speaker 1: get there and this is you know, he gets to
Speaker 1: the gym before us. This food got all kind of
Speaker 1: case wiz bro. This thing he got a hole like
Speaker 1: like maybe like twenty boxes. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: tells y'all. Nik is walking to the gym, like, yo,
Speaker 1: who is it? Who is this dude listening in? The
Speaker 1: number one player in the country. Man, get the funk
Speaker 1: out of here, you know what I mean. So everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody is saying that, and he just over there, you
Speaker 1: know so so so man practice start bro And we
Speaker 1: was younger, so we practiced against turned Paul, so they,
Speaker 1: you know, they used to always get us. But for
Speaker 1: some strange reason, like they was beating the ship out
Speaker 1: of us, you know what I mean. And Kevin Garnette
Speaker 1: was blocking our three pointers. It was the most amazing
Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen in my life. Like he was
Speaker 1: standing in like damn there and like in the dotted
Speaker 1: and I pulled up for three and he was jumping
Speaker 1: and smacking that ship. Dude. I swear to god, it
Speaker 1: was crazy. And then everybody was like, okay, we see
Speaker 1: why he did number you know what, like this my dog.
Speaker 1: And then they took me home that night and he
Speaker 1: was obsessed with menis to society. I remember that, and
Speaker 1: he kept saying, like I take a double burger with cheese.
Speaker 1: We took him to rallies. That was like his first
Speaker 1: time that rallies. Yeah, it was me and him and
Speaker 1: Paul in the car and like I was saying, you know,
Speaker 1: it's crazy to see how they bard was you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, you know, because they was older,
Speaker 1: so you can see them bonding and and now for
Speaker 1: them to play on the same team with the Celtics
Speaker 1: and win it. You know, it was like they wanted
Speaker 1: in Vegas together. You know, we was all able to
Speaker 1: see that. But like KG like kind of like he
Speaker 1: just opened everybody is you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: his energy, you know, terms start picking bro, he made
Speaker 1: everybody turn was the dictator. Turn was hard. Turn was
Speaker 1: like my big bro who I like. You know, we
Speaker 1: played on in the same backcourt, but he was older.
Speaker 1: So when he went and play with the older squad,
Speaker 1: like I was right and die. So I like when
Speaker 1: you see me play, you know, and like you know
Speaker 1: when I lose it, you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: am very similar at the time, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So he kind of like that's how I like, I'm
Speaker 1: like to kind of him couple my homies like that
Speaker 1: that gangster mentality, you know what I mean. It's just
Speaker 1: like y'all all right, I like fun the game. Let's
Speaker 1: just go outside, you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 1: want to be that mad or not. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know what I mean? So you you know,
Speaker 1: you picked up every accolade you count, possibly can ninety
Speaker 1: seven get Ready Player of the Year, McDonald's All American,
Speaker 1: you know, sprite slam dunk contest, Mr Basketball headed to
Speaker 1: u C l A. Who else was recruiting you? Was
Speaker 1: there ever a chance for anyone else? Duke? I was
Speaker 1: gonna go to Duke for real. But you know, Coach
Speaker 1: Coach Ka his mom was sick. I think he wrote
Speaker 1: about me in his book. But I don't you know,
Speaker 1: I don't funk with Coach Okay, you're sucker to me.
Speaker 1: Oh my mom, his mom was sick. And you know
Speaker 1: you're a young high school kid, You're like, fuck dog.
Speaker 1: Coach k is like he's everything. I'm rocking, dude ship.
Speaker 1: But when his mind got sick, like it made me
Speaker 1: miss my grandma, and like Quinn, Quinn Snyder, that's my dog,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Because he was just like
Speaker 1: the dude. I was like, man, I'm right or die
Speaker 1: fucking with Like I'm fucking with what Coach k and
Speaker 1: Quinn Snyder and you know what I mean, whatever they
Speaker 1: got like, that's it gonna take me to the moon,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But when Coach k Mam
Speaker 1: was sick. That made me be like, damn dog, I
Speaker 1: can't leave home, you know what I mean. And at
Speaker 1: the same time it was a lot of ship the
Speaker 1: other ship going on in l A two. That was
Speaker 1: just like, if I leave and some ship happened, I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna feel good. So I might as well be here.
Speaker 1: And if some ship happened, at least I'm here to
Speaker 1: try and stop it, or you know, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and like take my people and my more
Speaker 1: importantly my family into another space. You know, you have
Speaker 1: one of the most memorable legendary recruiting trips us here,
Speaker 1: Like can you tell us about it? I only got
Speaker 1: into the squad now one. I mean, whatever story you
Speaker 1: want to say, Hey do that ship was crazy. We
Speaker 1: just hey, bro, I go up there all the time.
Speaker 1: Now on my visit, they decide we went and played
Speaker 1: uh flag football with the uh with the softball tea
Speaker 1: and they beat us uh. And then we were just
Speaker 1: hanging out and we go to the baseball It was
Speaker 1: like a fried house and next thing, you know, like
Speaker 1: it was a big gass tussling. We were just boxing
Speaker 1: with like fort forty big old baseball dudes and Uh,
Speaker 1: it was it was me hem him and him, him
Speaker 1: and him, you know, I you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But like I remember, I was standing the little Legend.
Speaker 1: Dudes was coming out, hey bro, and it was like
Speaker 1: damn near Like it was like, oh U c l
Speaker 1: A students. I was confused, but like I was writing
Speaker 1: the mix, you know what I mean. And so it
Speaker 1: was like fifty It was like almost like fifty dudes.
Speaker 1: It was like eight or nine of us, and you know,
Speaker 1: it was just trying to make peace. And I got
Speaker 1: into a fight on my first day of school too. Uh,
Speaker 1: the day before school, we got into a fight with
Speaker 1: some dudes. That's when you came from the in front
Speaker 1: of the doors. Yeah, yeah, I don't know what time
Speaker 1: it is. You remember what what happened the first time
Speaker 1: we met. What what we was doing were throwing South
Speaker 1: off the So we get to the hotel, were, uh
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen, right, hey dude. That was I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I was involved in that. That
Speaker 1: didn't even that was like really out of my character.
Speaker 1: But we was fifteen sixteen. We're checking out hotel. We
Speaker 1: find nothing, absolutely nothing to do. So we are about
Speaker 1: the fifteen floor. Bro, We're gonna get all the lotion
Speaker 1: and so out of the bathroom and start chunking at
Speaker 1: people in the lobby. Was one of the open hotels,
Speaker 1: like it was the best thing in the world. That
Speaker 1: we started via McKenney Bruner and whateverbody you said, you said,
Speaker 1: you tell before he got here. He said, one day
Speaker 1: he picked you up and had you run through the
Speaker 1: hood doing everything you shouldn't have been doing. I was
Speaker 1: telling myself, I said this, I got introduced to California. You,
Speaker 1: Jason Thomas and Kenny Bruning and y'all had me everywhere
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be in l a everyone I
Speaker 1: was supposed to be. Facts. Shout out Kenny Bruner, though, man,
Speaker 1: But besides your shout at Kenny Bruner, Jason Thomas, that's
Speaker 1: all the trick, lug besides being close to home, what
Speaker 1: else attracted you to besides just like I was there
Speaker 1: every day. My sister I worked there, and I got
Speaker 1: to you know, it was they had Gilani. Chris Johnson
Speaker 1: told me, and I was like, damn, I'm about to
Speaker 1: walk in and like be able to like rock with
Speaker 1: these dudes, you know what I mean? They have a
Speaker 1: chance to win the national championship. I'm home and all
Speaker 1: my little homeboys that I was like jigging, you know,
Speaker 1: extra tickets, like man, like just put your name on
Speaker 1: the recruiting list just for all of the l A
Speaker 1: dudes to be able to come to the U c.
Speaker 1: L A games. Was like, I can't leave them, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, So maybe I can be the
Speaker 1: dude that like make the l A guard started staying
Speaker 1: home and ship like that, because like Louse was coming.
Speaker 1: We was trying to get Jason Hard to leave Syracuse
Speaker 1: and come, you know, so we was just gonna have
Speaker 1: we was gonna be Yeah, it was gonna be Guard,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was gonna be Guard
Speaker 1: University again. Especially you got Glani you got you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, You got Chris Johnson, Toby Bailey j R. Henderson.
Speaker 1: They had a whip already, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So he was like, Yo, I can step into this
Speaker 1: and like we got a chance. Then they get sucked
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah yeah, damn outside of the up my
Speaker 1: nation the championship. Fucking with these niggers, man, outside of
Speaker 1: the basketball part, he should have went to do you
Speaker 1: were trying to, like your aura kind of like your status.
Speaker 1: Like Baron was kind of like the guyfather there even
Speaker 1: though he was like maybe one year older than us.
Speaker 1: But like on road trips, we go see Baron, if
Speaker 1: you needed some money, let me hold a couple of
Speaker 1: what you need. He pull out a big old stack
Speaker 1: of money. Beat was the first one with the dope car,
Speaker 1: the dope apartment, the leather TVs. The based like you
Speaker 1: got you got, asked I'll pull up in the skin
Speaker 1: hunting on some twos in the summer time with the
Speaker 1: pros and was like, you gotta go home, bro, that
Speaker 1: is not Hey, I'm from here. This is the first
Speaker 1: big body expedition on twenties and twenty two as I've
Speaker 1: seen it was. Remember that had some speakers in the back,
Speaker 1: so I had some jangkie ass speakers. So we used
Speaker 1: to go to the rocks. Remember that we used to
Speaker 1: pull up to the Roxy, but the speakers would cut off,
Speaker 1: so you have to you have to go in the
Speaker 1: back seat and slammed the back door for the ship
Speaker 1: to come back home. So we're pulling out Sunset passing
Speaker 1: though hen sugar free acts. Smack it as soon as
Speaker 1: we get in front of the the clip over the door,
Speaker 1: close the door bad. You know, you're always trying to
Speaker 1: floss in college and Ship and Niggers was always like
Speaker 1: left left hanging right outside the club. That car was
Speaker 1: sucked up and tied at the purple people leader tied
Speaker 1: out a purple tied at a purple blazer bro the
Speaker 1: color of Barney. People used to take that on day.
Speaker 1: So it used to be like your first deck car
Speaker 1: and then if you like it, you could get my car.
Speaker 1: But you make sure he slammed that backed up girl
Speaker 1: had that red pt killer. He was raping somebody on
Speaker 1: first got it. Remember the pret cruisers from Gilanni had
Speaker 1: a car that had tickets on it. You know it
Speaker 1: was a jeep, but you can't tell what color it
Speaker 1: was because it had so many tickets. They never touched
Speaker 1: the car. Rico. Rico is like that too. You tell
Speaker 1: about one of our producers. Gilanni is over here, This
Speaker 1: Gilanni right here. He had so many tickets. He had
Speaker 1: a boot. I remember I got a boot before the
Speaker 1: Syracuse game. Remember that that ship was sucked up. I
Speaker 1: got a boot up pulling the tunnel. I thought I
Speaker 1: was flossing. They gave me a boot. I had to
Speaker 1: get his car stuck down in the tunnel and Dick
Speaker 1: Vitale all these dudes walking in, like, Yo, I think
Speaker 1: you got hu had to go pay them parking tickets.
Speaker 1: That ship was fun. You had a h you posted
Speaker 1: something recently, but I remember when it happened when jay
Speaker 1: Z wore your jersey that summer. The black One talk
Speaker 1: to us about that. I mean, you will alway is
Speaker 1: really in touch with that outside celebrity world like you was.
Speaker 1: I mean, like you said you use from that, like
Speaker 1: you know, I mean you got the heart beat l A.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the honey Ivory came over and he uh
Speaker 1: he had brought hip hop and so were cold. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my dog every yeah ivery man hip hop was like, man,
Speaker 1: what y'all drinking? We was like nigga twinkle toes. We
Speaker 1: used to call Andre's twinkles like pouring pouring in the glass.
Speaker 1: That ship looked like Chris a ship. So He's like
Speaker 1: nigging that's Andre drinking. Ya ain't drinking Chris style, and
Speaker 1: like we cool. I was like in college, we ain't
Speaker 1: doing it like that. And so he was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: you want to go meet jay Z. Jay Z want
Speaker 1: to wear your jersey? That was like for real. He
Speaker 1: was like hell yeah, jay Z because at the time
Speaker 1: people was like it was right before people start really
Speaker 1: rocking jerseys. So we go to Cafe mass We all
Speaker 1: all up as many can fit in the car. Though
Speaker 1: we walk in kicked it for a little bit, said
Speaker 1: it was up to Jay. I gave me my black
Speaker 1: U c l A jersey and jersey they hated too.
Speaker 1: He dog the tradition the older the older heads that
Speaker 1: they hated that jersey too. Go ahead, yeah, So I
Speaker 1: gave him the black one and then I gave him
Speaker 1: a white one and he was like, oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: appreciate you, dog, like I funk with y'all and like
Speaker 1: the whole team. We saw him pull off in his
Speaker 1: range and that was and then we went to the concert.
Speaker 1: And then at the concert he popped up with the jersey.
Speaker 1: Everybody was going crazy, but it was dumb. I got
Speaker 1: a chance to me like method man and read me.
Speaker 1: I remember at the time. I was like, man, I
Speaker 1: funk what you read man? He was like you my nigg.
Speaker 1: I was like hell yeah. He was like drink and
Speaker 1: gave me some hennessy. I was like, yesterday, right, I
Speaker 1: forgot who else was there, but like it was, it
Speaker 1: was a bunch of people when he was like backstage,
Speaker 1: that ship was cool. And jay Z showed us a
Speaker 1: lot of love, and he had always showed love, you know,
Speaker 1: He's always been like a solid dude, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Thoughts of this year's U c l A
Speaker 1: team and how they perform. I liked him, man. I
Speaker 1: thought that they were consistent with who they were the
Speaker 1: whole the whole year. I thought, you know, with all
Speaker 1: adversity that they have been been through, they made it
Speaker 1: to the final four. They got a diverse team, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. The coach is like a dude
Speaker 1: like you want to play for you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I want to coach. It's like into it and
Speaker 1: into his players and in the winning and coaching you up,
Speaker 1: and like they love them for us as you see
Speaker 1: l A as like an alumni former players ship like that,
Speaker 1: it kind of make you put your guard down, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and be like, yo, I ain't
Speaker 1: ship right now. Let's pour all our energy into these dudes.
Speaker 1: And and and so you know, they don't know what they did,
Speaker 1: but they brought a lot of dudes together because a
Speaker 1: lot of us like love U c l A. You know,
Speaker 1: we live in we live in breathe the u c
Speaker 1: l A. Right. We all want to be connected, and
Speaker 1: that gave everybody else that wasn't playing opportunity to reconnect,
Speaker 1: you know, especially during the pandemic and ship where you
Speaker 1: feel like you lost. It's like, yeah, okay, I still
Speaker 1: got a home. So now I'm going back to school ship,
Speaker 1: you know, and I signed up to go back to school.
Speaker 1: I saw Kenny Donaldson, so I'm like, all right, bro,
Speaker 1: I got I got finished. You're gonna go back on campus.
Speaker 1: Earl did that. I was thinking about doing that, just
Speaker 1: got too busy. We gotta do it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like a forty year old uh college students
Speaker 1: like Rodney Danger. Yeah, back to school. So you decide
Speaker 1: two years. First year, great freshman year, packed ten freshman,
Speaker 1: the year you hurt your nee in the tournament. My
Speaker 1: freshman year is your sophomore. You come into season a
Speaker 1: little bit late on one leg at the beginning, but
Speaker 1: was still absolutely amazed. I remember that Washington game where
Speaker 1: you went behind your back one play, made the fat
Speaker 1: dude jump the way out the way, anything to beat
Speaker 1: him up before the game. Yeah, yeah, remember me and
Speaker 1: you almost fought the whole crowd in Oregon that one time,
Speaker 1: and they was trying to bully us, and then you're
Speaker 1: having that don't time my color so tough? So you
Speaker 1: decided to take your talents from U c l A
Speaker 1: To the NBA? What what? Why did you feel like
Speaker 1: it was time? I wanted to come back, dude? I
Speaker 1: needed some money, bro, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 1: was like that was it and I needed the money
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to get hurt. But I did
Speaker 1: want to come back because we had lost in the
Speaker 1: first round obviously, damn dog. But you know, going to
Speaker 1: the league was like always a dream, like but I
Speaker 1: really wanted to stay that last I wanted to stay
Speaker 1: one more year because if y'all don't remember that, I
Speaker 1: used to call y'all motherfucker's all the time, Like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I hate it out here, ro averaging sixteen minutes a
Speaker 1: gang coming off the bench. This is no fun, Homy.
Speaker 1: But it taught me a lot, and I think like
Speaker 1: being around Eddie Jones rest in peace, Bobby Fields, going
Speaker 1: through that, you know what I mean, and then like
Speaker 1: never starting it made me so hungry that next year dog.
Speaker 1: When I came back to l A, I was just like,
Speaker 1: who ever wants to fade, let's go, bro, I'm taking one. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm lining people up in the gym. I started bringing
Speaker 1: all the high school kids to the gym with me,
Speaker 1: lining them up, you know. And I was just on
Speaker 1: the mission and like, you know, I'm determined to be
Speaker 1: somebody after that, after that rookie year. But I didn't
Speaker 1: really want to go. And so I think that kind
Speaker 1: of like funk with me my whole rookie year because
Speaker 1: I was like, and then y'all made a run in
Speaker 1: the tournament. It was just like that ship was just
Speaker 1: always like, yeah, I should have been home. I should
Speaker 1: have been home, but it actually made me a man.
Speaker 1: I mean, third pick in the draft. You go to Charlotte.
Speaker 1: Rip Haimon had told a funny story about draft day,
Speaker 1: how he you made him fire his agent because you
Speaker 1: came into his room where he was in the room
Speaker 1: with you. You gave him the whole down what happened,
Speaker 1: and it happened, and he's like, how the fund the
Speaker 1: baron though, Hey, fucking rip Uh. We was because we
Speaker 1: were just all hanging out and you know, I'm nosy, bro,
Speaker 1: something like, yeah, what's going on in the draft? What's
Speaker 1: the movement? And then we was all just kind of
Speaker 1: kicking and you know how dudes be like popping ship.
Speaker 1: So I go knock on Rip, like, hey, bro, like
Speaker 1: I think you're about to go to Washington. He was like,
Speaker 1: you mean, like who told you that? I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm worry about it. You know what I mean. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you that, like you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: you ain't really you know, you know that's what you know?
Speaker 1: Trust me, trust me that I got your back. I
Speaker 1: found out it was like the day before because we
Speaker 1: was all walking in the lobby and you know the
Speaker 1: day before the draft they start really like placing dudes
Speaker 1: and like placing the trays and ship like that. And
Speaker 1: I was into all that ship. So I kept calling
Speaker 1: On because I was trying to get traded to the Lakers,
Speaker 1: and so I remember On was going back and forth
Speaker 1: with Charlotte. He was like, look, man, if he if
Speaker 1: you're drafted, he what if he goes overseas? What if
Speaker 1: he does this? And Paul Silas said, if he there,
Speaker 1: we're gonna drive him. And he does show his ass
Speaker 1: uthing and so I was like, man, if we could
Speaker 1: just pull off the trade. And then the Vancouver thing
Speaker 1: happened with Steve Francis, and like we was trying to
Speaker 1: put I was trying to get in the mix of that.
Speaker 1: Um so I just like start finding out where everybody
Speaker 1: was gonna be positioned, and I started telling everybody, and
Speaker 1: Britt was like how he was the only one was like, yo,
Speaker 1: how to funk you know? This ship? And he was
Speaker 1: pissed and he did for are his agents? What was
Speaker 1: any many white ship? He was definitely a pioneer in
Speaker 1: that space too. We'll get to that later. What was
Speaker 1: the Steve Steve Francis ship? He got drafted BT couver
Speaker 1: and did wouldn't go, right, Yeah, he wouldn't go. So
Speaker 1: that was supposed to be, Like I was trying to
Speaker 1: get in that, Like, oh, I ain't going either, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? He went to Yeah, so Steve
Speaker 1: basically he forced his hand, forced Vancouver's hand, and then
Speaker 1: that's how Steve wind up in Houston Michael Dickerson, and
Speaker 1: that's how the Houston things started. So they because Vancouver
Speaker 1: already had Mike Babie, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So Steve was like Why the funk Am I going
Speaker 1: to Vancouver with Mike Baby and they had the reef.
Speaker 1: I believe, like they had a squad, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? They had they were and Vancouver was a
Speaker 1: great city. But then when they did that, it kind
Speaker 1: of like that was a fall of Vancouver because it
Speaker 1: was just like it wasn't gonna hold, like they were saying,
Speaker 1: it wasn't gonna hold. Superstar, Welcome to the NBA moment.
Speaker 1: What is it? Probably John Stockton? He cooked you. He
Speaker 1: like stole the ball from me, Like, oh he didn't cookie,
Speaker 1: just throwing the ball from you. So he just like
Speaker 1: really like imagine like just getting in the game and
Speaker 1: you look up trying to get an inbound pass and
Speaker 1: that ship gone. You think you gotta steal on it, Like, man,
Speaker 1: I gotta steal that ship go. And then like I
Speaker 1: was only in the game for like I could have
Speaker 1: played like eight minutes to night, but like the first
Speaker 1: two minutes it was just turnover, turnover, turnover, bucket and
Speaker 1: one and one, And I was like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: is going on? Go back in the same ship. You
Speaker 1: just couldn't find him, bro. It was almost like it
Speaker 1: was embarrassing the smartest and then I would say the
Speaker 1: other one was Stephan Marlberry. He was killing us. But
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I'm a rookie coming off the
Speaker 1: bench and uh he did something. He was like yeah
Speaker 1: and one and he looked at me. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't won't known to this. You can't guard me.
Speaker 1: And Elden Campbell was like, oh, you're gonna let him
Speaker 1: talk to you like that. So I'm on the bench hot.
Speaker 1: I'm on the bench hot, I'm ready to fight everything.
Speaker 1: Uh but that was like he was cooking me too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was it. I mean other than that, I say
Speaker 1: my first game cross Way and turn our preseason, I
Speaker 1: go off the duck and never nervous Pervis Allison took
Speaker 1: a charge and not custom ever nervous. It's like seven
Speaker 1: foot motherfucker, what you're doing taking a charge? When you
Speaker 1: first come into the league. Who are some of the
Speaker 1: key man you didn't play as much of so your
Speaker 1: second year once you really start rocket, who are some
Speaker 1: of the key matchups you're looking forward to because you
Speaker 1: played in a in a crazy time where it was
Speaker 1: ai a young day, Steve Nash, Gilbert, you name it.
Speaker 1: People was out there all of them, all of them
Speaker 1: at Chris paul In there Williams at Darren Williams at
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd, add Nick van Naxel at Rod Strickland as
Speaker 1: Sam Casale. Uh, these are all the people we lost
Speaker 1: to in the playoffs. Uh ship who else? Damon stodolm
Speaker 1: Meyer dog. It was. It was era of every night,
Speaker 1: Mike Bibby, Like You're getting a different look from a
Speaker 1: different point guard every night. And then you gotta go
Speaker 1: against the Greg Anthony's and the Charlie Wards who are like,
Speaker 1: you know, more defensive minded that Eric Snow's defensive mindy
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson. I played against Mark Jackson. So all these
Speaker 1: like great point guards that you you know, you kind
Speaker 1: of watch growing up, you know what I mean? It
Speaker 1: was It was crazy. But Sam Cassell was was called
Speaker 1: bloody bro Sam Cansell was called bloody. Steve Nash was
Speaker 1: called blooded. It was a lot. It was a lot.
Speaker 1: It was a lot. You made the playoffs your first
Speaker 1: five years? What is it like you thinking like every year,
Speaker 1: you know, okay, we made it, U you made like
Speaker 1: that with it? What did it just become normal for you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was um man, it was like we had a
Speaker 1: chance like every year we showed up, we felt like
Speaker 1: we were just good. We had some good teams, and
Speaker 1: we felt like we could make it. Because if you
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs and you get the matchup you want,
Speaker 1: like we felt we can yeah, and even if it
Speaker 1: was a tough matchup and a lot of those series
Speaker 1: we just lost in seven and you know, like the
Speaker 1: games could have went either way. And we had a
Speaker 1: real vet squad that, like them Folds, just turned it
Speaker 1: up a notch and got like, hella quick, more athletic
Speaker 1: in the playoffs and I'm like, oh, ship, let's go,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it was just like
Speaker 1: we felt we could win every year. You know, we
Speaker 1: felt like we could upset and you know in advance.
Speaker 1: But in that era, everybody was trying to get to
Speaker 1: playoffs because they felt like they were good enough, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Most memberle Playoffs series, most memorable
Speaker 1: Playoffs series outside do we believe? Of course? Sure, I
Speaker 1: would say the Orlando series, you know, knocked off Mac
Speaker 1: right when we knocked off t Mac. That's that's the
Speaker 1: year that I got myself to Max, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, that was my f You got yourself to
Speaker 1: Max and I think that's important. Yeah, because you know
Speaker 1: you're going into the series my Ashburn gets hurt. He
Speaker 1: had vertigo, so it's pretty much all of my you know,
Speaker 1: it was I was next in line, and so when
Speaker 1: we when we beat the Mavericks in that series, it
Speaker 1: was almost like, you know, I had I think the
Speaker 1: last two games, I had two triple doubles, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean to like close them out in Orlando,
Speaker 1: and I just remember on the bus everybody was like
Speaker 1: they are you're about to get the Max. You wanted
Speaker 1: to get the Max. He was like, Yo, You're about
Speaker 1: to get the MAX. And it was like why do
Speaker 1: you need that? And then the conversation was like why
Speaker 1: you need an agent? You know, if you're gonna get
Speaker 1: a MAX, Like why would you get age into money
Speaker 1: like they they got a sign you because we was
Speaker 1: moving because we basically got kicked out of Charlotte UM
Speaker 1: and then moved to New Orleans like forest Hand to
Speaker 1: basically take the best player with him. And so that
Speaker 1: ship was crazy, bro. It was like one of the
Speaker 1: craziest thing. You find your agent and negotiated your own deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: basically I walked into my agent office with a suit
Speaker 1: and I was just like, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I want to do this by myself,
Speaker 1: from start my own agency, represent myself. And he was like,
Speaker 1: good luck. I think you're making you know, a big mistake.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, you know whatever, I'm I got.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna keep this six percent and learn
Speaker 1: from it, you know what I mean? And so that's
Speaker 1: six percent for me was always like what I was
Speaker 1: gonna use to build my agency to like invest in me,
Speaker 1: to like invest in a movie, whatever it is. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean that I really wanted to do.
Speaker 1: That was that what that six percent? And that sixth
Speaker 1: percent can also go to my family, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And like what I want to do for
Speaker 1: my family to help, you know, invest in my family
Speaker 1: and ship talk about the culture change going from Charlotte
Speaker 1: to New Orleans. Charlotte to New Orleans, it was there
Speaker 1: was no stability, Like you go. Charlotte was a basket
Speaker 1: you know, North Carolinas basketball country. New Orleans is a
Speaker 1: party city and a tourist city, right, and so New
Speaker 1: Orleans was not built for a basketball team. New Orleans
Speaker 1: was built for football, right. It is st. St. St.
Speaker 1: So even with us coming, like, there are no Fortune
Speaker 1: five hundred companies, there are no forts A two D companies,
Speaker 1: So the sponsorships, the things like that, it was just
Speaker 1: hella Jankee, I think and I still believe Entergy is
Speaker 1: the largest company down in that area. And other than that,
Speaker 1: you got like Smoothie King and like uh not Bojangles,
Speaker 1: but Popeye's and he had a bunch of chains. So
Speaker 1: you got like local business people, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean around the team. And there's no high you know,
Speaker 1: there's no high net worth sponsors to actually carry the team.
Speaker 1: So you know, we practice in West we Go like
Speaker 1: and a goddamn like rec center until they built, you know,
Speaker 1: until they built finally, like a whole practice reality, but
Speaker 1: like we would share our bathroom was a public bathroom,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And it was like ship.
Speaker 1: Our showers was kind of like public showers. You know.
Speaker 1: It would be an n R A meeting and we
Speaker 1: got a practice, you know what I'm saying. And so
Speaker 1: you know they'be having a little craft services and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm about to go over there and get me some
Speaker 1: of that ship. They're like, man, they're gonna shoot, you know,
Speaker 1: so it's just all kind of shi happening, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And then in the arena, in the arena,
Speaker 1: like we weren't really getting a draw, you know, and
Speaker 1: like the amenities and ship like that. So it was
Speaker 1: just like they was like filling it in as we
Speaker 1: was going. But we had a good team though. We
Speaker 1: had a good team. And then like you know, they
Speaker 1: made the transition with bar Scott and then after that,
Speaker 1: like it just went. It wasn't no good for me
Speaker 1: at that point, no more. But New Orleans was crazy
Speaker 1: because I had you know, that's how I invested in
Speaker 1: vitamin water because they had my like a fat head.
Speaker 1: I think I had it on the whole side of
Speaker 1: the arena, you know what I mean. It's like the
Speaker 1: whole arena was bad. That was it. You pulled from
Speaker 1: the airport as Beat, I go a billboard. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: another b D billboard. That's the bed and the team. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's two players. Okay, here go Beat points to beat.
Speaker 1: And they wrapped the arena, no bullshit. They wrapped the
Speaker 1: arena with a big gass fat head, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And so you know, you could tell me ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, uh, and that's I remember
Speaker 1: when Vitamin Water came, they was like, we don't have
Speaker 1: no money from marketing. And I was like, Brian trub
Speaker 1: and you see all these like ship, I got you,
Speaker 1: and that's how I like took a chance on them.
Speaker 1: But it was like New Orleans, like it was crazy
Speaker 1: because like all of a sudden, like I was thrown
Speaker 1: out there. Both of our owners was like fighting over
Speaker 1: who's owning the team. So I like after practice, they'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you gotta come to this cocktail reception,
Speaker 1: gotta go with this dude. I gotta go over here
Speaker 1: with this dude. It's like, what does he tell you?
Speaker 1: What you Yeah? My second I remember the second year
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. I remember that George Shen. You know,
Speaker 1: I knew he had financial problems. So I was like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Mr Shan, I I just forfeit my last
Speaker 1: two years. You know my next two years that's about
Speaker 1: you know, twenty five million, and then I just invested
Speaker 1: in the team and be your partner. And he just
Speaker 1: like he wanted to say, get your black ass, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? But hey, dog, it was it
Speaker 1: was fair like it was fair like yo, I give
Speaker 1: my contract back. I know you've got some financial problems.
Speaker 1: Like you and homeboy over here, you ain't really see
Speaker 1: an eye of eye. And I know you got this
Speaker 1: this loan, you know what I mean. Man, he put
Speaker 1: in on that dog, I'm the highest paid. Ain't like that.
Speaker 1: He did not like that. And so that's like when
Speaker 1: ship starts spiraling down. When they started asking me to
Speaker 1: do goofy ship, like, uh, tell everybody on the team
Speaker 1: you to put their hand over their heart for the
Speaker 1: national anthem and ship like that. I was like, hey, bro,
Speaker 1: I can't tell nobody to do nothing, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And they started making like a little issues
Speaker 1: like that. And then like you know, and that's the
Speaker 1: same era in time when t O was doing all that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and like just athletes was
Speaker 1: like acting out. It was like, because one, you're asking
Speaker 1: the wrong dude, you know what I mean. You want
Speaker 1: me to ask David West to put this in even
Speaker 1: though you're rookie. You want me to tell a W
Speaker 1: West you have to put your hand over your heart,
Speaker 1: you know, for the national anthem. Man. It was like, man,
Speaker 1: get the funk out of here. You also developed a
Speaker 1: relationship with little Wayne out there, talk to us about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whyn't that's my dog, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: I know you was big in the wrap. I remember
Speaker 1: this one time, just quick story. You see that he
Speaker 1: was taking me to the train station or something. This
Speaker 1: motherfucker was driving fastest fun rapping and writing in his
Speaker 1: notebook at the same time. Bro Die, Yeah, man, if
Speaker 1: it shout out to Wayne, I think Wayne kind of
Speaker 1: gave me the bug to start rapping. So we built
Speaker 1: a little booth. I forgot what that ship was called
Speaker 1: the cave t What was that called the cage? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we caught. We had the cage. We built a little
Speaker 1: cave j'all. But Wayne, you know we uh, he used
Speaker 1: to kick it with us all the time, Me and Turn.
Speaker 1: You know, he really used to kick it with time
Speaker 1: because I'd be at practice. But term Coppo, Wayne, Molly,
Speaker 1: all of them, you know what I mean. Because when
Speaker 1: when I got there, it was like, you know, you
Speaker 1: get introduced to like the O. G. S. And that
Speaker 1: I got introduced the baby Slam no limit dudes, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I met all of you know,
Speaker 1: make sure I made me the soldiers slam. Rest in peace, Dog,
Speaker 1: that was my dog. That was the first I was
Speaker 1: like the first real dude that I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I locked in with. But you know, you meet all ogs,
Speaker 1: all the street dudes, make sure. But Wayne and Time
Speaker 1: and Coppo, they was all just like, yeah, they was tight.
Speaker 1: And so we're sitting around the house, you know, and
Speaker 1: dudes coming in from l A. We're sharing like stories
Speaker 1: and ship like that and war stories and turn time
Speaker 1: of his stories in the death Row days, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And Wayne was like he was eating
Speaker 1: all that ship up, you know what I mean. He
Speaker 1: was sh up, he was taking that ship up, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And plus like where he was from,
Speaker 1: he was already like moving, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: he was already moving. So like they were just like
Speaker 1: their own little like they was their own crew, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I just tap in with them
Speaker 1: every now and again, and then you know, I just
Speaker 1: happened to be, you know, one of wayne favorite players
Speaker 1: at the time, and so like it was just like
Speaker 1: it was love, you know what I mean. Like Wayne,
Speaker 1: like to this day, that's that's like my brother, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Whatever, you know what I'm saying, whatever,
Speaker 1: that's that's like my dog, and then I was trying
Speaker 1: to get Game. I remember I was trying to get game.
Speaker 1: What was it far? When we was we trying to
Speaker 1: do Black Wall Streets South and get Game and Wayne
Speaker 1: to partner up because Wayne was trying to get out
Speaker 1: that first contract with a baby, and he was talking
Speaker 1: to jay Z and we was all at the moro.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I give you some bread dogs,
Speaker 1: start youlling ship. You know what I mean. But we
Speaker 1: was all just talking about it and Ship. I never
Speaker 1: forget that. I was like, man, what if we did
Speaker 1: Blackwall Street sound for I forget what it was. But
Speaker 1: we was all like business, business was on the money.
Speaker 1: That's good. So your transition from New Orleans to Golden State,
Speaker 1: how'd that happened? Basically? I like burned all my resources
Speaker 1: and had to kick me out. Yeah, because I told
Speaker 1: Allan Bristow. I said, like he thought he was gonna
Speaker 1: rush me. When I said, hey, bro, you take two
Speaker 1: more steps, I'm gonnahoop your ass in front of everybody
Speaker 1: in this gym. And after that they had to trade me.
Speaker 1: He was running down. I was like, take two more sets,
Speaker 1: my fucking you up. He stuck. He was like hey,
Speaker 1: he was stuck on that step and by Scott was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: what's going on? I was like, Man, I'm out of here, Man,
Speaker 1: get me up out of here. I ain't got no time.
Speaker 1: Allan Bristow told me that I thought I was God's
Speaker 1: gift to basketball, and I was like, man, I can't
Speaker 1: deal with you, bro. You know what I mean. You
Speaker 1: already feel like a right is due to me anyway,
Speaker 1: So man, you need to shut the funk up and
Speaker 1: trade me, you know what I mean? Because I whip
Speaker 1: your ass at the practice over, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. That's exactly what I taught him, man.
Speaker 1: He was, Yeah, it's like you know how they do you, bro,
Speaker 1: You know you know how they trying to do you.
Speaker 1: And if it wasn't for Crossroads, I wouldn't have had
Speaker 1: that part, like to be able to articulate myself right
Speaker 1: in the room. And it just pissed him off because
Speaker 1: it's like, you ain't gonna one. You ain't gonna shake
Speaker 1: me down, you know what I mean. Like it's your money,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You gave it to me,
Speaker 1: so too. I don't even need all this ship, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, so they would get frustrated, right,
Speaker 1: even like George, she like machine. He was pissed that
Speaker 1: I offered to buy buy. That's that's the best way
Speaker 1: I describe you to a lot of people. I say
Speaker 1: it just grew up in competent, went the crossroads and
Speaker 1: ended up in crossroads. Go to you mix all that up,
Speaker 1: you go, I'm starting to understand it. To accept that ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So to move to the Bay,
Speaker 1: what was that like? One? I did not want to
Speaker 1: go to Golden State because at one point it was
Speaker 1: like l A dudes and Bay dudes, Like you know,
Speaker 1: the stereotype is like we didn't funk with each other.
Speaker 1: It was always like a rivalry from Kyle and all that.
Speaker 1: But I always had good games that Golden State. And
Speaker 1: so when I got to Golden State, it was like dead, bro,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about dead. They said, what do you think?
Speaker 1: I said, Man, that ship feel like a fucking mortuary
Speaker 1: every day coming up practice. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: He know before you got there, and when you got there,
Speaker 1: it was like fixed a lot of it. Hey dog,
Speaker 1: when I walked in, that motherfucking dog. They was not
Speaker 1: trying to play no, God, man, they was trying to
Speaker 1: make every excuse in the world not to get on
Speaker 1: the court and hoop. And then when we got on
Speaker 1: the court, them Foods has so much ship going on
Speaker 1: that it was just like done leaving. I remember he
Speaker 1: had a thing with the crowd, and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I mean the fucking cry like you know, people used
Speaker 1: to funk with him and like, oh god, I used
Speaker 1: to they like they like, you know. But it was
Speaker 1: like a love hate relationship with Duneley because he was
Speaker 1: drafted so high. Jason Richardson, he was dealing with injury
Speaker 1: and we all know Jay rich Ja rich If he
Speaker 1: can walk, if he can jog, he gonna play. So
Speaker 1: when I got there, I was like, Jay rich you
Speaker 1: need to sit down, my nigga. If I'm rocking me
Speaker 1: and you're gonna rock, you gotta sit down, bro. You
Speaker 1: can't be coming out here like I just dealt with
Speaker 1: that ship and I'm coming off an injury, you know,
Speaker 1: playing and so I could start coming off the bench
Speaker 1: and you know, you got Derek Fisher there, you know,
Speaker 1: and he you know, you know, Derek Fisher, he a
Speaker 1: company guys men, He want to be the president. So
Speaker 1: he wanted everything to be equal terms, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But he is solidly like, he is solid teammate.
Speaker 1: He's hell of the teammate that I could dare you.
Speaker 1: He was solid as as as a basketball as, not
Speaker 1: as a dude, not as a I'm just saying I
Speaker 1: ain't up playing with when y'all saying that I just
Speaker 1: went left, I'm living with you, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like he was hell of professional, Like he showed up
Speaker 1: to work every day. He was hella diplomatic, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But Mike Montgomery and like whatever, and
Speaker 1: Troy Murphy was just like, god damn bro, he was
Speaker 1: just like fucking like depressed the whole time. So I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: this ship is like a corpse. So it's like I
Speaker 1: had to get in there and one sort of start
Speaker 1: to get healthy. We went eight in a row in
Speaker 1: the year, you know what I mean. And so now
Speaker 1: everybody like feeling jewice, feeling you know, feeling feeling great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now we bring Mike Montgomery back for the second year,
Speaker 1: and then that's when you start seeing like, you know,
Speaker 1: the bitch and everybody again, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it was a lot of that ship where it
Speaker 1: was team meetings and they was like, yo, beat, you
Speaker 1: know you don't practice. And I was like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean I do on practice? Bro? We got two rookies.
Speaker 1: What am I practicing the whole practice for? They need
Speaker 1: to work right, and it's me and d Fensh. I
Speaker 1: take a day off. He takeing, like defense, you need
Speaker 1: a day off. Let's let these dudes get the work
Speaker 1: in and let us work. No, but he wasn't. So
Speaker 1: everybody was playing politics. And then we had a team
Speaker 1: meeting and everybody was like pointing fingers, you know, but
Speaker 1: not nobody want to point no fingers. So I was like, man,
Speaker 1: who got something to say? I was like, man, y'all
Speaker 1: some suckers. And that's when they got Montgomery album. Molly
Speaker 1: come to me. He was like, don't trip. We're gonna
Speaker 1: figure it out. And then that's for me and and
Speaker 1: Matt length and then that's how we come into it
Speaker 1: into the next year with Nellie. And that was a
Speaker 1: crazy story. So I'm in between. I'm in should I
Speaker 1: was on the way y'all really coming off two and
Speaker 1: a half years and really not playing, and I'm at
Speaker 1: home a Sacramento and beat hits me up the morning
Speaker 1: of like, oh, bro, we're hooping down here, Come up.
Speaker 1: I'm like, hurry up, shower hopping the car, drive an
Speaker 1: hour half and go down there and play. Not knowing
Speaker 1: that uh you know, Nellie was watching the whole time.
Speaker 1: They had already had something crazy like eighteen people coming
Speaker 1: to training camp and sixteen guarantees like I can't promise
Speaker 1: you nothing, but you go out here and play like
Speaker 1: you did today, I'll give you a chance. And that's
Speaker 1: all I needed. So that's kind of the start of that.
Speaker 1: That's kind of started that beginning of that seat. And
Speaker 1: so I worked my way from like the last dude
Speaker 1: on the bench and started playing well enough to trade
Speaker 1: don Levy and Murphy. And then if you wouldn't start
Speaker 1: playing well, we wouldn't never they would have never did Matt.
Speaker 1: I say, Matt, hey, bro, these niggas ain't good. Bro,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like if you come mean,
Speaker 1: just rock with me, dog, like I'm telling you, like
Speaker 1: I know what you can do. Because I needed somebody
Speaker 1: else that could like facilitate to think with you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And like when we was in college,
Speaker 1: we like if he want to press I'm already there,
Speaker 1: so we was already in sync. And I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Dog and ship gonna work and this
Speaker 1: food start bawling. Dog. I swear to god, he was
Speaker 1: winning guys for us, and it was like it wasn't
Speaker 1: expected because of like how he came in and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like he's starting now. He'd
Speaker 1: a bona fide six man. It was just like Nellie
Speaker 1: could almost do because of hot Matt started. He felt
Speaker 1: like he could do whatever he wanted with Matt. But
Speaker 1: Matt was successful in any fucking thing, even if he
Speaker 1: didn't play. He was still intrical, so you know how
Speaker 1: he is on the you know what I mean, just
Speaker 1: like and then that led to like, all right, we
Speaker 1: gotta play him. Then remember the Philly game. I was like, hey, bro,
Speaker 1: that food. How many threes you hit? Like we play Philly?
Speaker 1: We just thinking about it. What it was funny we
Speaker 1: just talked about because I was like, man, uh it
Speaker 1: was one of the coaches. He was like, I can't
Speaker 1: stand out again, cheeks. And I was like, man, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like mo chix here let god like,
Speaker 1: but funck him. Dog, Let's go No no, no offense, Cheks,
Speaker 1: but you know that mentality, Like my dog was like
Speaker 1: I got more points in my career to Moe Cheeks.
Speaker 1: So no, but my dog was righting and when he
Speaker 1: was right and I was like, man, I was feeding
Speaker 1: that food the ball he had like six threes. He
Speaker 1: was doing some crazy shit and I was like, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. And then after that, Molly was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: we're gonna make a move, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because we gotta get some more energy. He was like,
Speaker 1: what you think about stack Jack? And now I was like, hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: this mother land on the hospital bit ship. You was
Speaker 1: hurt at the time though right where you hurt. They
Speaker 1: didn't know, they didn't know. We knew each other because
Speaker 1: we are the whole time. Don't break that down because
Speaker 1: I obviously I wasn't privy to the information at the time. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, we was already talking now brother, But Stephen, Stephen, ye,
Speaker 1: that guy, what's up? That's what? Yeah? What was you
Speaker 1: just coming off? At that time? I was coming off.
Speaker 1: I was coming out shootout, still club, getting all my
Speaker 1: teeth knocked out, getting hit by a car, having plastic
Speaker 1: surgery for two hours with no anesthesia. I called him immediately.
Speaker 1: But look, this is this is one of the craziest
Speaker 1: phone called my turn, my boy beat They called me
Speaker 1: on time after everything. They're gone at my mom's FOW.
Speaker 1: I can't really talk, you know, I've been fighting everything.
Speaker 1: Soon as I lay in a bed, you know, and
Speaker 1: trying to relax room, you know, my phone rain Hello,
Speaker 1: It's term of b D. You're good food were on
Speaker 1: the way, Yeah I can't. I was like, oh, good, good,
Speaker 1: all right, we just want to turn with the background
Speaker 1: bad were all the way. I said, now I'm good,
Speaker 1: but they called to check them. But I always want
Speaker 1: to say that when I got traded, they didn't know that. Man,
Speaker 1: Beatie was are you know what I'm saying? Was already cool.
Speaker 1: They were just trading to make your team. But they
Speaker 1: didn't know our relationship because I had think. I remember
Speaker 1: I talked to Mars yea. I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: Stack the night up. I was like, all right, Stack, one,
Speaker 1: ain't we know you to really know? All right? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You trump everybody? You win? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You win, bro, and it ain't
Speaker 1: gonna be and it ain't gonna be another now Ann
Speaker 1: come through, like you, bro, it's time to stop. I
Speaker 1: got him, and it's crazy because that because he's still
Speaker 1: in Indiana. I'm like, yo, bro, you alright, alright enough bro,
Speaker 1: you're trying to like are you trying to die? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, Yo, you do have a
Speaker 1: lot of money, and like ship on, like come on, man,
Speaker 1: like ship man with me. You have nothing to prove,
Speaker 1: you have nothing. I was like, mom, I got him.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be responsible for him, you know, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make sure. And he was like, man, I got you, fine,
Speaker 1: got you in any And then we wanted him trade
Speaker 1: and that was like a whole little ship in the background.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't like to trade. At first. I was mad.
Speaker 1: He had just got bad. Yeah, he had just got
Speaker 1: back to Yeah he was mad. That's why he was mad.
Speaker 1: I was mad. He was like bad fun man, I
Speaker 1: just got here. Bro. Now Jack got traded again. But
Speaker 1: walk us through that time like once they a rod.
Speaker 1: Because we didn't jail right away. I missed the first
Speaker 1: seven games when we got there, suspended. Yes, yeah, I
Speaker 1: had missed. I was suspended seven games and then I
Speaker 1: got hurt. Did you see this motherfucker? I said, miss
Speaker 1: he gonna get a rate suspended. Yeah, different because you
Speaker 1: didn't really you didn't really snow games from being hurt.
Speaker 1: You missed games for being suspended. Yeah for real, don
Speaker 1: for real, all the games you missed was suspending. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you ain't never missed. You missed seven the year we
Speaker 1: went like forty nine and whatever, it was forty two
Speaker 1: and forty two then, and it was some seven games.
Speaker 1: You guys suspended that ship. You know what I mean
Speaker 1: when you think about it, like we needed you, bro,
Speaker 1: it was everything, you know what I mean? It was
Speaker 1: everything when y'all came, it was just a new energy. Man.
Speaker 1: Y'all had like the energy was there, but I had
Speaker 1: just like kind of like all right, man, I like
Speaker 1: at least were good enough, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: y'all motherfucker's came like rolly motherfucker's up like Peaches and
Speaker 1: like I'm like, oh my yeah, yeah, Peaches gag banging
Speaker 1: like with like a week mercy. I don't finally got
Speaker 1: these dudes settling in and like playing around now. Peaches
Speaker 1: coming to practice, so rude, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out my features man. That's my boy man. That's
Speaker 1: really like that kind of energy. That was the kind
Speaker 1: of energy that y'all brought to the team. And like
Speaker 1: I said, once we kind of figured it out a
Speaker 1: little bit. What was the Detroit where we kind of
Speaker 1: got it. It was Detroit that was that game because
Speaker 1: being scared, it was scared, it was good. It was
Speaker 1: just what it was. But he came in the locker
Speaker 1: room after that game was a Washington game. No, no,
Speaker 1: at the Detroit game. You came in the locker room
Speaker 1: because we went a game. He was like, bro, we
Speaker 1: can really turn And we talked about the whole playing
Speaker 1: right home, we can really turn this. We stayed up
Speaker 1: and we was talking about like yo, damn, like if
Speaker 1: these dudes couldn't funk with us, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it ain't no way, Like I mean, were just
Speaker 1: like figuring out an off then you uh uh And
Speaker 1: like we know j Rinz good for forty We know
Speaker 1: out any not good for forty Monte, Okay, you yelled
Speaker 1: the brains in the defense. He's doing all the talk
Speaker 1: and getting everybody the right place and then be at
Speaker 1: your start just starting Yeah, exactly who we need him
Speaker 1: to do? Couldn't shoot free throws? H Hey, we got
Speaker 1: Goose paid though, I mean you really got He should
Speaker 1: have bought me a house, and ye, I said, bro,
Speaker 1: if I get you paid, just bought me some property
Speaker 1: and your country doc. I don't. I'm one of vacation house.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you one thing about Goose. He wasn't
Speaker 1: just the best player, but he catches everything the best hands.
Speaker 1: And I don't care where you throw the past to him,
Speaker 1: he catching that best hands. He and he was so
Speaker 1: basketball intelligent and he just knew where to be. I
Speaker 1: remember with Goose Man like I ain't gonna tell you
Speaker 1: why he got the name. I was just thinking that.
Speaker 1: I just think, but you can tell he's saying the
Speaker 1: league long. But he was young, bro. He came to
Speaker 1: the team, Yeah, just turned nineteen, and they had him
Speaker 1: out partying the Euros and ship your opians party. And
Speaker 1: then I caught him in the club because yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's that was But I was in the club and
Speaker 1: he was like you know, b and I jammed him
Speaker 1: up real quick because I knew I couldn't. I was like, hey, bro,
Speaker 1: I don't want to see this ship. You should be
Speaker 1: starting next year. You should be don out out of that.
Speaker 1: I was like, you can have your fun right now,
Speaker 1: but when you come back next year, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not having none of this ship. You got a chance
Speaker 1: to like fun. These dudes, these dudes are terrible, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like they're not gonna be here.
Speaker 1: You can be here, bro, don't get caught up in
Speaker 1: that ship. You feel what I'm saying. Funk with me,
Speaker 1: and I just remember I I just like jammed him
Speaker 1: up because I felt like that kid could be special,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And when you watch like
Speaker 1: what he was for us, he was like like we
Speaker 1: could he could, We could put him on Tim Duncan
Speaker 1: and not double ye. Tim Duncan was gonna kill me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. What he was the couple
Speaker 1: of things that he would do right. You don't have
Speaker 1: to be in rotations now, Montean Parker. Either I got
Speaker 1: you Nobli, you got Jan Nobli and now we're wearing dude,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And he played quarterback and
Speaker 1: so Dial didn't have no advantage, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it was like Goose was like that type of
Speaker 1: dude that was just a complimented him well though, and
Speaker 1: Al was the perfect problem with Al was Alan Nelly
Speaker 1: riff about Alt playing the five. I didn't feel like
Speaker 1: he was and and and al didn't want to be
Speaker 1: a out, didn't want to be the five. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't so much of hit Like what like, do remember
Speaker 1: that y'all main game? Like that motherfucker was like it
Speaker 1: was just taking so much away from his off. After
Speaker 1: that game he played, he set out about two weeks
Speaker 1: after that game too, he played he fronted the ship
Speaker 1: out of y'all. Man, he had a hell of he
Speaker 1: had a hell of a game and we needed out
Speaker 1: of be more like the j Rich you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But like I understood where he was like
Speaker 1: playing the five because he just had to do he consistently.
Speaker 1: But that was his minute five. If you played the fo,
Speaker 1: I played the four. You know what I'm saying. Was
Speaker 1: going with the small ship. So we hit our run.
Speaker 1: What do we were in twenty We went eighteen out
Speaker 1: of the last eighteen at the last twenty three games
Speaker 1: or something like that. I got kicked out the last
Speaker 1: game of the season. And now they're like, bro okay,
Speaker 1: you can get kicked out, but remember because we won
Speaker 1: the last game in Portland. Yeah, to make the playoffs
Speaker 1: in that game. You didn't play right. I kicked out,
Speaker 1: Remember they clipped me, and Nearly came to like, look,
Speaker 1: don't get suspended. Yeah, you get kicked out, but don't
Speaker 1: get suspended. So I got kicked out and I left
Speaker 1: it alone. He came grabbing, and I left it alone.
Speaker 1: It is the most It is the cleanest kick I've
Speaker 1: ever had. I made sure I got kicked out, but
Speaker 1: I left it alone. You've never seen me do that,
Speaker 1: because Nearly told me what happened. Huh you finished there
Speaker 1: the last game? And then remember Clippers had lost to somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was yeah, the same night. So you know, I've
Speaker 1: been like researching all that ship. I've been watching all
Speaker 1: the clips and I've been pulling clips from the announcements
Speaker 1: and the announcers and like all the ship that they
Speaker 1: were saying, like the dudes who was announcing the Clipper game,
Speaker 1: but they were saying about us, what what what our
Speaker 1: announcers of office Gerald and Jim Barnett what they were saying.
Speaker 1: So it was almost like it was like this fucking
Speaker 1: you know, this whatever, this hour glass of time taking away.
Speaker 1: And I remember Dallas beat the Clippers. Remember they sat
Speaker 1: out against stuff and then they sat out against us,
Speaker 1: but it was it was I feel like they had
Speaker 1: another game in between where they played again you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, the blood in the water, and so
Speaker 1: we kind of took that ship in disrespect. I remember,
Speaker 1: I was sucking. We were we were hot that they
Speaker 1: didn't want to like, like, y'all give us the fair fight.
Speaker 1: Remember he was like, yo, we can't get the fair fight.
Speaker 1: Ya don't want to put us out? Now put us
Speaker 1: out our miss and you know what it was after
Speaker 1: if he knew what it was. Once we got in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, I've never seen Nellie move that fast in
Speaker 1: my life. He was like, look, hey, that was his championship.
Speaker 1: He just wanted to beat out of him one time too,
Speaker 1: because we were talking about what happened in the second way,
Speaker 1: It's like, let me checked out second round, bro, you
Speaker 1: know he checked out. We got our drug tests. He
Speaker 1: the first one in the time of giving Utah. He no,
Speaker 1: I know he checked out because he kept playing your
Speaker 1: mement on core and we didn't. It was like and
Speaker 1: then Stack and then then stacking. Nellie started getting into
Speaker 1: it because Stack, like, man, I ain't known. It was
Speaker 1: no way that I can help my team offensively and
Speaker 1: guard him and Boozer. It was no way we had
Speaker 1: the best match up with Al versus Boozer, and we
Speaker 1: didn't take advantage of that. And nobody knew that Al
Speaker 1: had us, you know what I mean, like like we're
Speaker 1: supposed to be, like the coach is supposed to be
Speaker 1: like yo, Al Boozer does not want to Funk had
Speaker 1: a career destroying Yeah, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: we didn't know that at the time, but it was
Speaker 1: everybody at that point was just goddamn, just like, man,
Speaker 1: I can't play the fire I'm playing. But we still
Speaker 1: had the two games. Still, we still had them. They
Speaker 1: called a bullshit as a second violation. Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: that was that was really the one. The free throws two,
Speaker 1: but the eight seconds that was some bulls. Some bush
Speaker 1: was calling the niggers. They had pictures of Jack up
Speaker 1: in the in the jail police in the life, jail suit,
Speaker 1: j carboard cutout. Hey, god, that was our core honors
Speaker 1: like Hotel Davis. Yeah, everybody remember, yeah maybe that little
Speaker 1: white girls. Look this little white girl. She was like,
Speaker 1: fuck you, Baron Davis, Like damn might to shoot a
Speaker 1: free through because we smoked the whole hotel. I had
Speaker 1: the whole city high time. I remember when we got
Speaker 1: to Utah. I mean, we can talk about the basketball ship,
Speaker 1: but I think the off the court ship. We got
Speaker 1: to Utah. Remember Nelly put all of us right next
Speaker 1: to each other on the same floor with the gym
Speaker 1: fan at the end of the hall because he already
Speaker 1: knew what it was. But like, what kind of coach
Speaker 1: does that though? Because yeah, it was going down heavily
Speaker 1: down every ship. When was that we couldn't smoke with
Speaker 1: and everybody was like we had like a little was
Speaker 1: that Miami where we had like a mini like uh yeah.
Speaker 1: Came to practice the next day in the same close
Speaker 1: we landed. We land at twelve, We got practice at nine.
Speaker 1: We get back to the hotel by s. Everybody get
Speaker 1: on the bus with all their clothes on. We get
Speaker 1: to shoot around. Then they come out on the court.
Speaker 1: Nobody woman, everybody on the sideline. He said, man, bring
Speaker 1: it in, get back on the bus and we better
Speaker 1: win by thirty. And we showed hell one by thirty
Speaker 1: went out to mind when our mind to beat we was,
Speaker 1: we was chilling like this smoking us allus feeding for
Speaker 1: a smoke. God damn. I was like, no, man, we
Speaker 1: are here smoking dejarms and cigars. I was like ship.
Speaker 1: It felt like we were. It felt like we was
Speaker 1: on some of vacation for two days. I was walking
Speaker 1: on the bea smoking cigars, Like, man, you get another
Speaker 1: pack of cigarettes, like smoking or goddamn cigarettes black and
Speaker 1: miles black dejarms. What was the other one? Uh? What
Speaker 1: was the other ones? In the little tin can? Remember
Speaker 1: we had them a little or whatever. So that was
Speaker 1: one thing about that team. That team like all rocked
Speaker 1: together off the court. He was all rocking together the
Speaker 1: whole everybody. I forgot about them, the drums dog, I
Speaker 1: forgot about this. What about the story when Baron came
Speaker 1: in his uh, in his cowboy outfit, remember that, Jack.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let you know I'm showing up. I'm
Speaker 1: dressing up tonight. Just be prepared. So I'm like, all right, cool, dude,
Speaker 1: ain't but I know how you do. So I didn't.
Speaker 1: Once they Once he gave me the word, I spread
Speaker 1: the word to everybody. Prepared. Everybody on the team, get
Speaker 1: here early. Baron putting on the show. He comes in
Speaker 1: the locker room, cowboy hat, cowboys shirt, broke boots, the
Speaker 1: whole sine and just standing in the middle locker room
Speaker 1: and looking around to everybody. But what was what was
Speaker 1: behind that though? What was the reason you didn't have
Speaker 1: to read in the fashion game of Jack? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? You know, yeah, you know, I think
Speaker 1: it was in Texas? Was we're in Texas? That was
Speaker 1: a g Oh just came back from barely. I got something,
Speaker 1: you know, I got some ship from San Antonio. Want
Speaker 1: the floss? Could wait to break that outfit out? Remember
Speaker 1: we got it. I got in trouble from wearing a
Speaker 1: bullet for door in the playoffs. They was talking about
Speaker 1: suspending me. I remember that. I remember that M six.
Speaker 1: That's right. I was trying to suspend this damn there
Speaker 1: every game, each other down, dog sninging, Jack run out,
Speaker 1: Matt padding down? Are you clearing? Like you clear the flight?
Speaker 1: Everybody waiting for him to get out of jail because
Speaker 1: you got things like we're making this rus so we're
Speaker 1: just trying to have fun. We didn't think that big
Speaker 1: of a deal until David Stirn saw that ship and
Speaker 1: they told us to stop, like three or four TV
Speaker 1: and just him. He the one that stopped because he
Speaker 1: got the point where I wouldn't even put my hands
Speaker 1: and I'm just running the chest. But he's just still
Speaker 1: his ass. Bro. He would when we can get away
Speaker 1: with what about Baron when you lived in Frisco playing
Speaker 1: playing your guitar with shirt off, play your guitar for
Speaker 1: the for other people coming out the bar to D'Angelo,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, get the coustic, good car,
Speaker 1: your shirt off, take my shirt off, sit on the
Speaker 1: ledge and be like, maybe I thought it was me.
Speaker 1: It was that Baron Davids, that Baron Davis. Damn, I
Speaker 1: ain't know he can play him in there. I'm in
Speaker 1: the baby oil. That's how bar we had baby or No,
Speaker 1: I really know what kind of the best ones to
Speaker 1: explain this? Can you please explain bt pregame routween which
Speaker 1: one the shot to take? When you say there you go,
Speaker 1: there go, there you go. It's warm my shooting around warm.
Speaker 1: There's no shot that you were shot in the regular day.
Speaker 1: But he practiced all the weirdest shots. So we're messing
Speaker 1: with him the whole year, and next thing you know,
Speaker 1: he shooting one of the shots in the game. He
Speaker 1: see what you did it on accident though, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: used to be like there you go. He got there
Speaker 1: you go, and I'll just be over there like jump
Speaker 1: inside the off hand, but we got footage of it.
Speaker 1: We gotta Yeah, that ship was legendary. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: do this. We believe dr absolutely Bro got to They
Speaker 1: need to hear. It can be too much today, but
Speaker 1: it's fun. There's so much more. We just all sat
Speaker 1: down the ruining Storm. We gotta do it. It's coming show.
Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, it definitely needs to be told.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like that the Bay Area, what
Speaker 1: the Bay Area was when it was becoming, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and like almost what it is now
Speaker 1: because it's way different, but it's more commercial. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like not commercial, but it's open. Like the bay
Speaker 1: is so authentic that it's like that ship pop, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And like when we was on
Speaker 1: TV and like fucking we believe fans in China, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like Oakland was a destination, the
Speaker 1: Bay Area became like a destination. Remember other dudes was
Speaker 1: in our locker room. Motherfucker's was like yo, I want
Speaker 1: to go play, and so like I feel like it's
Speaker 1: like our story the Bay story, the music, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like I was talking to Mr fab
Speaker 1: He was there every game, rest the piece, he was
Speaker 1: there every game, and he was over there haggling everybody else,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, right off the left of
Speaker 1: the center court, almost close to their bench. So he
Speaker 1: was talking to everybody. He was a part of that
Speaker 1: runs in the streets too heavy, Yes, in the hood
Speaker 1: on both sides of the bridge. Yeah, was. And I
Speaker 1: feel like we kind of brought the Bay Area together.
Speaker 1: What I realized was Oakland and San Francisco was really
Speaker 1: fucking with each other. Shout out Steazy, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Shout out the hommies from Fillmore, the hummies
Speaker 1: from Oakland, from East Oakland, West Oakland, all them dudes.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like they fucked with us, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. They really was, like, Yo, we rock
Speaker 1: with y'all. They took care of us, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. They let us be, you know, they like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the year they let us be. They let us be
Speaker 1: who we were. They gave us freedom, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Back to the Asian Ship, bro, they funk
Speaker 1: with us. Super Super Super Super Games Club Friends, Dinners,
Speaker 1: all that ship, you know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 1: like I got I got my nieces married to an
Speaker 1: Asian you know what I mean. Wasn't the one out
Speaker 1: Asian fans that started to come on. Man, it was
Speaker 1: like it was like a fucking It was just like
Speaker 1: a thing when nobody tripping yo, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And like we was all fucking with each other. So
Speaker 1: that's why I feel like all the ships that you're doing,
Speaker 1: all the ship you doing speaking on cultures, speaking to
Speaker 1: you know, equality and inclusion and ship like that, It's
Speaker 1: like that's what this we believe doc is, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like, yeah, we went and we
Speaker 1: hoped and we did win the championship, but we did
Speaker 1: some other ship and we're still doing ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it's like all still a part
Speaker 1: of this, you know, greater aligne focus you feel them
Speaker 1: saying absolutely bit so we believe season we're losing the
Speaker 1: second round. Next year we come back and win more
Speaker 1: games with miss the playoffs and then your contract is up.
Speaker 1: You get it. You wanted to stay. I did get it.
Speaker 1: Head this all got in bandits came in the locker room,
Speaker 1: said Jack, I didn't get it. I didn't get they
Speaker 1: were and for what I understand, the numbers worked too
Speaker 1: far off. They just didn't want to give it to you.
Speaker 1: Fucking dumbass, dumbass, fucking Bobby Rob just the dumbest motherfucker
Speaker 1: in the world. Because it was just like, yo, Bro,
Speaker 1: we got a killer team, were winning. I told you
Speaker 1: before I got here, give me three years and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna turn this ship around. But it's dead. You asked me.
Speaker 1: I told you. I said three or four years, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be straight were people don't want to come here,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have life. I did it in three
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We're coming off the playoffs.
Speaker 1: We got promised, man, pay me my money, bro. Matter
Speaker 1: of fact, how can we work this ship out? Because
Speaker 1: I know Mante gotta come. We gotta keep jack aula
Speaker 1: free agent, you know what I mean. We gotta pay Matt.
Speaker 1: You know. I was all telling you, like, man, I
Speaker 1: was trying to get Matt more money for the Warriors,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I was just like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this is how this ship needs to go, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And then it was just like my
Speaker 1: fucker was just posture and talking about, oh, you've been hurt,
Speaker 1: we need you to play, you know, a full season
Speaker 1: and all that, and I was like, what what is
Speaker 1: that gonna do? You know what I'm saying, And so
Speaker 1: that's when I came out and I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: this a cold guy. And you gotta remember I'm still
Speaker 1: like my own agent. And you played the next year, right,
Speaker 1: oh oh nine season? You played all every single game
Speaker 1: I played. I always say I played eighty one and
Speaker 1: a half. Remember they suspended me for one game. I
Speaker 1: don't know why for the half of me and play
Speaker 1: me the hole half in Phoenix? Oh that's right? For
Speaker 1: what because they can do that because they knew, so
Speaker 1: they can. Basically, I don't know, bro. I just feel
Speaker 1: like it was some back in, some back channeling ship
Speaker 1: and if you see all, that ship just kind of
Speaker 1: fell apart, you know what I mean, Because we saw that.
Speaker 1: So we talked. We had Gilbert yesterday and we talked
Speaker 1: to the other side because he said, that's what kind
Speaker 1: of got him going was they knew that you were
Speaker 1: leaving Golden State and then the Golden State was offering
Speaker 1: him the max. What do you say, a five million
Speaker 1: dollar house of the helicopter. They offered Gilbert aren it's
Speaker 1: a hundred and six millions and offered me thirty no guaranteed.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't I leave? Right you? It sucked us up
Speaker 1: there like we were sucked up, and it was crazy
Speaker 1: because and then they paid Corey mcgetty fifty, Ronnie tore
Speaker 1: Off eighteen, and whoever else was two more people. So
Speaker 1: like you basically gave it, you still have. You gave
Speaker 1: them money away. But shout out to my homies because
Speaker 1: off I always like for you. Oh they never got paid.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't got some of that. When they trained everybody,
Speaker 1: I said, your deal with Nellie right, No with Bobby,
Speaker 1: But when they told him, look walking to about and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like you know they It goes to show you
Speaker 1: that one you're undervalue, you're always underappreciate it, right, and
Speaker 1: you work for them. And it wasn't about winning. It
Speaker 1: was I'm gonna tell you how how all this ship happened?
Speaker 1: Remember the playoff checks? Mm hmm. Remember people in the
Speaker 1: Warriors executive office was mad because they didn't they weren't
Speaker 1: getting our playoff check yep, yep, and everybody, and it
Speaker 1: started creating all these riffs because they got mad because
Speaker 1: we wanted to give our money to eat Yep Tom,
Speaker 1: Big John, Gebo, all the people who was winning with
Speaker 1: the assistant training to eat Tom. At the time that
Speaker 1: we had a little everybody was like, you know, we
Speaker 1: want to take care of everybody. And then the higher
Speaker 1: upwards was like, yeah, we don't get no playoff check.
Speaker 1: It's like it was like remember Jay Rich was like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't even want my check. I'm getting yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I just started to check and man, motherfuckers was
Speaker 1: looking like, oh, that's fucked up. And then I just
Speaker 1: started a riff and you show and it showed like
Speaker 1: the greed. I remember sitting back and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: he's so greaty motherfucker. Nobody worked harder than in that organization,
Speaker 1: but they can you know. And it all came back
Speaker 1: to me like, Yo, what did everybody you know? It's
Speaker 1: like old bro Jay Rich did that. That's what he
Speaker 1: wanted to I had to explain to everybody, and at
Speaker 1: that point it was just like, man, these people are
Speaker 1: not they don't get it. They don't get it. And
Speaker 1: then the owner he had come out with some tax
Speaker 1: problems and like one million bucks, so it was like,
Speaker 1: that's why the Warriors changed hands. I wish I could
Speaker 1: have got some skin into that though. Damn. So you're
Speaker 1: off to the Clippers, going home. But though at the
Speaker 1: same time some challenges you went Donald Sterling bump as
Speaker 1: heavily talked to us about your experience with them, because
Speaker 1: you thought he was gonna come with Elton Brand. Elon
Speaker 1: Brand needs up leaving the free agency. Yeah, Elm Brand
Speaker 1: a sucker to Fucky, but I'm cool with him now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I mean he always been a good dude.
Speaker 1: It's just his agent. Just I mean, I can't even
Speaker 1: father to do for taking money, taking more money, but
Speaker 1: you lie to me, you meant, and I was like, yeo,
Speaker 1: we're doing this. We figured out how to make the
Speaker 1: money work, and they got took less to make your
Speaker 1: money work, you know what I mean. And so you
Speaker 1: let David folks kind of come in and like, you know,
Speaker 1: come here, boy. Don't you know what I mean? Kind
Speaker 1: of come here? Boyd you you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I don't come here, boy, hey man onhing they you
Speaker 1: donna do tweak about it. Facts is facts. And so
Speaker 1: when I did that, I was already like god, damn,
Speaker 1: so once the el Brand because I call Elmon Brand.
Speaker 1: Think this is all the way up to the deadline. Man,
Speaker 1: this niked talking every day. Bro. He was like, all right, man,
Speaker 1: as soon as you saw it, I'm gonna saw. I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I'm about to commit. Bum I commit,
Speaker 1: And I called that nigga. He was like, oh, bro,
Speaker 1: I'm about to go out of town. So I couldn't
Speaker 1: even catch him. So I'm like, now I've committed. And
Speaker 1: then that's when the Warriors did to like Gilbert ship
Speaker 1: and like you know what I'm saying. But and then
Speaker 1: I went to set with Nelly and Nelly was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna wanna fucking play for that dude. He
Speaker 1: was like, just come on back, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We'll see if we can get you the money, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I was like, look, Coach, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of like at this point, I'm done. Like I'd
Speaker 1: rather go that la, whatever I get. I just want
Speaker 1: to build my ship up at home, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. If I can do this for the Clippers
Speaker 1: that I did here, like man, I'll be a living legend,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you ain't gonna play for that dude, ain't
Speaker 1: he won line? So you had a chance to get
Speaker 1: it right and didn't make it right. And no, they
Speaker 1: weren't gonna get it right when I went back, because
Speaker 1: that's because I was about to say no, I want
Speaker 1: I went back. It was still non guarantee. They was.
Speaker 1: They was basically saying, we're not gonna guarantee money because
Speaker 1: you're injury prone. Okay, because I thought you had I
Speaker 1: thought you said that you had a chance to go
Speaker 1: back and get them. They offered Gilbert Arenas one off six.
Speaker 1: So when Nellie talked to me, they were not they
Speaker 1: were gonna offer me like dollars. He like, I take
Speaker 1: the fucking I'm gonna take this, you know. So he
Speaker 1: was still low. He wasn't really trying to make it right.
Speaker 1: He was just trying to get you there. And at
Speaker 1: that point, like Nellie didn't. I don't know what kind
Speaker 1: of power Nellie had, but Bobby Rowle, it just wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna happen. And that's how Bobby Rowl and Chris Mullen
Speaker 1: and all everybody started falling out. Because Chris mull remember
Speaker 1: he came to me, it was like yo, bro, I
Speaker 1: got you. When we was in Hawaii. It was in Hawaii.
Speaker 1: He was like, yo, bro, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get this right. So everybody thought I was
Speaker 1: gonna get paid in Hawaii. And that's when I came back.
Speaker 1: When we came back home, I was like, I didn't
Speaker 1: get it, you know what I mean, like, fucking let's
Speaker 1: go who mm hmmm mm. So you get to the Clippers, uh,
Speaker 1: young Blake Griffin, you kind of start really the the
Speaker 1: Lob City era for there with you. What was that experience?
Speaker 1: Like talk about the basketball experience, but then also talk
Speaker 1: about because I remember playing one time against you and
Speaker 1: how fucked up Sterling was and you man, I've been
Speaker 1: He's been doing this this and not to me to
Speaker 1: talk about the basketball and talk about the Sterling ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Sterling is Sterling. Lucky. I didn't
Speaker 1: do something crazy to him. Got every opportunity too. And
Speaker 1: so I was like at a point where I was like,
Speaker 1: maybe this is something guy, I want me to deal with,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I had never really dealt with.
Speaker 1: I won't even call it racism, bro. It was like
Speaker 1: he was a hate everybody is you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And he was prejudiced and he didn't give a funk
Speaker 1: about people, you know what I mean. And I was
Speaker 1: his highest paid employee at the time, and he would
Speaker 1: talk to to everyone but me, and I remember telling
Speaker 1: him one time. I said. He was like, you just
Speaker 1: don't kid it. You just don't kid it due you.
Speaker 1: I said, no, you don't get it. Your highest paid employee,
Speaker 1: you have yet to talk to me, so I don't
Speaker 1: give a funk what you do. He was like, I
Speaker 1: walked off. I'm the highest person you've ever paid. Bro,
Speaker 1: I ain't no fucking dummy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so it was just a lot of like he
Speaker 1: was upset that I was the highest paid. Also like
Speaker 1: I'm playing for done Levy and so Done Leaving wants control,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And he wants Chris Caman
Speaker 1: to be the guy because he wants to lean in
Speaker 1: towards the big guys, you know. And fuck Chris Kaman,
Speaker 1: sorry as fuck. I mean, he's talented, but he's sorry. Right,
Speaker 1: we ain't gonna window games throwing about it. Chris came right,
Speaker 1: but and then he went and then he was like
Speaker 1: post and like his ship was ice So if somebody
Speaker 1: was ice on and the cooking, that's who we're going with.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeoh, it's a long ass fucking gang.
Speaker 1: Can we get some transition buckets? You know? It's like
Speaker 1: every shot felt like you were under a microscope, or
Speaker 1: you felt like you were in in a structure, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. That you couldn't pay. And I
Speaker 1: remember my second year, Dean Demopolis, he was like, yo, bro,
Speaker 1: your fucking Picasso, Like whatever box they give you, just
Speaker 1: go paint. And then that was like the next year,
Speaker 1: if you saw it, I think that Chris came and
Speaker 1: made the All Star. But the next year is like
Speaker 1: because Blake got hurt. The next year, I was just
Speaker 1: like doing whatever I wanted. The third year, I come
Speaker 1: in and hurt. That's when that's when Blake take off.
Speaker 1: And then when I come in playing with Blake, I
Speaker 1: was still hurt. But like for those months at month,
Speaker 1: it was like nobody could funk with us, bro, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I would just slang like
Speaker 1: I give the ball out from how you know, half court,
Speaker 1: and so that motherfucker will blank him. And DeAndre Wou
Speaker 1: was bamming and it was just like we needed better players,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, around us to round it out.
Speaker 1: But it it started to feel like promise. And that
Speaker 1: was Vinny del Negro and then Vinnie the Vinde the
Speaker 1: Snake I call him, and so vinnydale Negro wasn't doing
Speaker 1: nothing but lying, you know what I mean. And then
Speaker 1: that's when I got traded to Cleveland. But they was
Speaker 1: like I was. I was the racist ship, bro. Like
Speaker 1: every day I come into the Clipper facility, Bro, people
Speaker 1: be crying and ship to lose my job. He cuts
Speaker 1: me out like balling. I'm like, man, fuck him, it's
Speaker 1: about us. So I had to like go in there
Speaker 1: and like that ship was crazy because it's like, uh
Speaker 1: now now, um Golden State was dead Clippers, that's just
Speaker 1: fucked up, bro. That is like the dude using the media.
Speaker 1: You used the Clippers as his marketing tool. Everybody on
Speaker 1: the Clippers life for Mike Dunlevy is the coach in
Speaker 1: the GM. So I remember we used to make jokes like, man,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's got better be quiet. Motherfucker's got cameras around here.
Speaker 1: And I used to be like, I don't give a
Speaker 1: funk about no cameras and be quiet, like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And so it became like a culture
Speaker 1: of snitching right to kind of appease him, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But he didn't give a ship about
Speaker 1: the team. It was just a trinket, right, And so
Speaker 1: you were just I had some black dude, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I watched some parade blake through the
Speaker 1: fucking one of his parties, one of you know, one
Speaker 1: of his holiday parties, and Vinnie done that girl sat
Speaker 1: there and watched and I was like, man, fuck that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I ain't I it was
Speaker 1: just hard for me to like play like that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And it's like I'm here at home,
Speaker 1: like is this what my career is coming to? Like
Speaker 1: God damn dog, Like what the fund did I do
Speaker 1: to play for in this type of ship? It's some
Speaker 1: real bullshit. So you go to clear brief stint theory.
Speaker 1: It's New York after that. York was after that. So
Speaker 1: you find your foot and you're playing well. Then you
Speaker 1: have one of the most devastating knee injuries I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Take us back to that time, what were what was
Speaker 1: your immediate thought? Was it get back now I started
Speaker 1: laughing at that point after that. I mean, I they
Speaker 1: got slid in front of Swiss Beats and the Lisa
Speaker 1: Kings and Ship, two of my favorite artists. My ship
Speaker 1: over here. I'm like looking at them they like and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, man, ain't this a bit you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like Okay, I just started laughing and
Speaker 1: it was just like damn. I was like, put that
Speaker 1: ship in. They put it in. And then at that
Speaker 1: point it was just like I just okayd my knee
Speaker 1: cap to my uh A c L M C L
Speaker 1: everything everything Bro, everything was gone. Bro. It was gone,
Speaker 1: like my knee at bait, like my knee cap. It
Speaker 1: was like damn near I think it was over here
Speaker 1: m hm. And so I'm sitting on the floor like
Speaker 1: put that ship in bow. They put it in, and
Speaker 1: I was just like they carried me off on the
Speaker 1: stretcher and I was like, damn, dun. I never thought
Speaker 1: I leave an arena understanding renovation in the stretcher, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And after that it was just
Speaker 1: like man, fuck it. And I think for me like
Speaker 1: when I started like just playing and even playing in
Speaker 1: the D League and all that, like just coming back.
Speaker 1: It was just like me trying to find myself again
Speaker 1: through basketball. I want to really trip it on the
Speaker 1: NBA because at some point I always envisioned myself never
Speaker 1: being the veteran dude at the end of the bench
Speaker 1: taking money, you know what I mean, from some young
Speaker 1: dude that's coming in that could have promise, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it was always meant for me
Speaker 1: to just like, oh, I'm out, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to end up just like holding
Speaker 1: on on, you know what I'm saying. In that year
Speaker 1: in New York, I walked in and my back was
Speaker 1: sucked up, so they were like, yeah, we'll take a
Speaker 1: chance on you, you know what I mean. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, cool, And then next thing you know, I'm
Speaker 1: playing Jeremy Lynn gets hurt and he's supposed to come
Speaker 1: back height healthy, and he's like, no, I ain't coming
Speaker 1: back because he didn't want to suck up, you know,
Speaker 1: his little insanity because he knew I was gonna get paid.
Speaker 1: So I just, you know, I felt like that was
Speaker 1: like low key, like kind of coward, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, because I'm sucking holding it down and I'm
Speaker 1: playing like thirty minutes, forty minutes, I'm getting shots like
Speaker 1: my backet. So it was just like it was bound
Speaker 1: to happen, and I never forget it was in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I tell Shump because he tours the CEE the game
Speaker 1: before and I was like, man, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: Don finally found my ship, my magic dog. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: work out with you every day. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like ship, So take a month off. And then I
Speaker 1: heard my ship. And then I was like, all right, well, ship,
Speaker 1: time to go write the movies. Dude, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Hurt one thing about you though, You've always
Speaker 1: had your mind in business, even back in college. So
Speaker 1: the ones you've said is that that transition switch hit
Speaker 1: for you. You were ready to hit that probably t
Speaker 1: folks better than anybody, um better than you know, better
Speaker 1: than both athletes and talked to us, talk to us
Speaker 1: where that mindset came from? The business mindset? Man? Just
Speaker 1: uh being curious. I think that comes from just like
Speaker 1: being curious, afraid to fail. Like when they said, um,
Speaker 1: I was like, athletes, go bro. I was like, that
Speaker 1: scared you scared you ship out of me? M You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and so I wanted to know
Speaker 1: where every dollar was that I spent, got raw, got cheated, misinvested,
Speaker 1: over invested, bad deal, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like at least I know because I just don't believe
Speaker 1: it ship, you know what I mean? And so at
Speaker 1: every moment it was more so like a fear. But
Speaker 1: that fear made me just like hold up, do the
Speaker 1: research and then be like fucking dog, like I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna I'm probably not gonna ever be as great as
Speaker 1: I need to be or have the legacy that I
Speaker 1: need to be. But you know, fuck it, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: walk these steps. I'm gonna miss out on cash, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna miss out on ship. But if I walk to
Speaker 1: walk that, I want to walk down when it's time
Speaker 1: to like tell my story hopefully like the people are
Speaker 1: in line that I funk with to do that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Talk a little bit about you.
Speaker 1: You touched on it earlier, But how did the actual
Speaker 1: vitamin water situation come because you were a big piece
Speaker 1: of that that I don't think a lot of people know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I was I was do up, you know, I
Speaker 1: just got the max, So I was do up for
Speaker 1: sneaker deal and uh and like a beverage deal or whatnot.
Speaker 1: And I think it was Sprite and my boy was
Speaker 1: that sprite and I was. He was like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get your deal done, and then I'm leaving. I'm
Speaker 1: just letting you know, I ain't gonna be working with you.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be working with somebody else. Haven't brought somebody else?
Speaker 1: And I would be leaving. I'm like, where the fun
Speaker 1: you're going. It's like going to a company called Vitamin Water.
Speaker 1: And I was like, Vitamin Water. Hell, no, dog, that
Speaker 1: ship nasty. Rico be drinking that ship and that shaid
Speaker 1: me give me diarrhea at his workouts, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Don't do that ship, bro, that shi it
Speaker 1: ain't cool. He was like, nah, they're great founders and
Speaker 1: great company. Was like it's a startup, so they learning.
Speaker 1: They switching the flavoring. And I was like, but Rico
Speaker 1: love that ship. And Rico used to always drink Vitamin
Speaker 1: Waters's and so I was like, damn Vitamin Water, Like
Speaker 1: that's kind of like the wave of the future, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's like the future. Dog like
Speaker 1: vitamin and water. Thinking if I can fucking you know,
Speaker 1: get the taste right, you know, I like, the ship
Speaker 1: can sit on my stomach. I'm cool. And so he
Speaker 1: was like, no, they're fixing the They're fixing the taste.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, if you leave in sprite,
Speaker 1: I'm going on which m hmm. I want to learn
Speaker 1: that ship teach me, Like, let me work for you.
Speaker 1: He was like, we can't afford you. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: you can afford me. Like I don't need the money,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like fucking give me the
Speaker 1: money in equity or something like how much money. He
Speaker 1: was like, man, get that ship to me and and
Speaker 1: stop just put it. But I don't even don't even
Speaker 1: give me no cash a matter of fact, let me
Speaker 1: get this. What if I get on TV? What if
Speaker 1: I do this? What if I do this? And then
Speaker 1: I just started like thinking of ship because at the
Speaker 1: same time I was doing my Rebok deal now my
Speaker 1: Rebok deal, and I had plane. I was the first
Speaker 1: first dude to negotiate the plane. I was the first
Speaker 1: dude to negotiate a car. I was one of the
Speaker 1: first dudes to negotiate money to foundation and a you right,
Speaker 1: So it was like a double hit and the merchandise,
Speaker 1: which was a triple hit. I negotiated, I get a
Speaker 1: jersey sign, but I get every every jersey they make.
Speaker 1: I get like up to five of those jerseys. Do
Speaker 1: mass I should have kept them shipped. So and I
Speaker 1: used to get all the players after the thing sign
Speaker 1: New Jersey. So it was just all that vacation. I like,
Speaker 1: my deal was so like incentive heavy, and it was
Speaker 1: like less cash because what I figured out was rappers
Speaker 1: used the record label money to pay for their lifestyle.
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, I just used rebox
Speaker 1: to pay for my lifestyle. I got my NBA contract
Speaker 1: as my nest egg, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: like put more money into all the goofy ships that
Speaker 1: I need, right so I can have a plane, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and ship like that. But then
Speaker 1: the Vitamin water thing is like I don't even want
Speaker 1: no money, just give me the stop. And then I
Speaker 1: started watching this company. You just could start like growing
Speaker 1: and went from the bodega like was at the w
Speaker 1: Then it was like the bodega. Then it was with
Speaker 1: the Warriors. I would leave because they would have these
Speaker 1: regional meetings, so I would have to go and meet
Speaker 1: like all the sales, reps and ship and then at
Speaker 1: one point it was like fifty people. The next time
Speaker 1: it was like two orangent and fifty, And that's when
Speaker 1: I started learning, like, oh ship. Like then Tata came in,
Speaker 1: bought um bought in like thirty and I got a
Speaker 1: big check. And I was like, bro, this is a
Speaker 1: way bigger check than when I'm onna gift than I
Speaker 1: would have got a sprite over the last few years,
Speaker 1: and I had more coming, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of like how I got into it.
Speaker 1: I was really it was me saying like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna represent myself. I'm gonna figure out my worth. I
Speaker 1: knew I wanted to make music. I knew I wanted
Speaker 1: to make movies, you know what I mean. I knew
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a creative right, and so I
Speaker 1: wanted people to spend money on me that way, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, so I can have like the
Speaker 1: oppera scenity to do that shift for other players. So
Speaker 1: I was just using myself as an agent, as a player,
Speaker 1: as a market and as like a test case for
Speaker 1: if I did want to be an agent or anything else.
Speaker 1: For like the next generation marketing whatever it was. So
Speaker 1: directing debut, uh Domino's the Drew League doc um. Two
Speaker 1: things I think that adult those your slick platform and
Speaker 1: what you're doing with Black Santa. Can you talk to
Speaker 1: talk about those? Yeah? I say for me, Black Santa
Speaker 1: changed my life because I actually started having to live right,
Speaker 1: you know, because because you know, I want it just
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, start thinking about I've never
Speaker 1: met a jolly, friendly, on time, gift giving positive black
Speaker 1: man in my life. And so with that, it was like, damn, bro,
Speaker 1: like we don't have that growing up. We ain't never
Speaker 1: seen and the ship kind of funny, and so why
Speaker 1: don't we create that for Black Santa? And then with him,
Speaker 1: let's have him be the celebration of characters and cultures
Speaker 1: and holidays and things like that. So everybody has a
Speaker 1: story to tell, right, and what better person to be
Speaker 1: like the DJ, the host than you know, a Black
Speaker 1: Santa clause because he's he's different, you know, he is
Speaker 1: the minority, and so you know, with Black Santa is
Speaker 1: just really like the first way it was like just
Speaker 1: get out T shirts things like that to your people,
Speaker 1: get to support, but like work on the story. So
Speaker 1: now the content and the storytelling, the aspect around it
Speaker 1: is something that my kids want to see they learn
Speaker 1: to grow into. Right, we as adults want to see
Speaker 1: and help our kids. Right, but other cultures can also
Speaker 1: see us in the different lights. When you think of
Speaker 1: about treyvon Martin, when you think about you know, the
Speaker 1: our perception you feel I'm saying, our perception and society
Speaker 1: is fucked up. And it's because of our perception that
Speaker 1: and the and the and the stories that people are
Speaker 1: articulating that are our stories, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And so I was like, funk that Black Santa Yo
Speaker 1: is positive, Black Santa is inclusive, Black Santa is about
Speaker 1: like every the beauty of being black in his world,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It all all the blackness
Speaker 1: that you can find. We're gonna go find that treasure. Right.
Speaker 1: So for Black History Month, we do a coloring book
Speaker 1: right with all the black you know, black figures that
Speaker 1: you know I'm finding out. You know I already knew,
Speaker 1: But it just gives us an opportunity to create characters
Speaker 1: that can tell stories that can educate our kids, educate others.
Speaker 1: And now they have a more invitable palette. When they're
Speaker 1: dealing with us, you know what I mean? And I
Speaker 1: think that has always been what's happening, what's happened to
Speaker 1: us in society? Bro, It's like, motherfucker's are we want
Speaker 1: to pigeon hold us to the stereotypes? They want to
Speaker 1: keep you where you at. Maybe we talked about this.
Speaker 1: They want to keep you where you at, Bro, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And and so like we gotta
Speaker 1: keep breaking the ceiling, we gotta keep jumping out the
Speaker 1: crab barrel and tipping the bucket over. And I think
Speaker 1: storytelling for Black Santa was like the best way to
Speaker 1: address it and to say, hey, what stories you got? Hey?
Speaker 1: Uh you know when I link them? Uh dk donas
Speaker 1: my favorite Dona story place here in l a Asian
Speaker 1: Donna story. We're doing an animation for them, right, And
Speaker 1: like just we want stories, man, We want our coaches
Speaker 1: to Cali. So we become the new Renaissance. And then
Speaker 1: I think was slick. It's really just about like stories,
Speaker 1: like we believe, like us telling the story, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like you're a director and producer,
Speaker 1: you're a producer, Like it's the ship don't work unless
Speaker 1: it's collaborative and everybody kind of pouring in. So sports,
Speaker 1: lifestyle and culture is not just we don't we's not
Speaker 1: just sports, you know what I mean? We we everything
Speaker 1: in between, Like WTF is not even sports. But it's
Speaker 1: like if you want to be an actor, you want
Speaker 1: to do stuff like coming slick, and we'll create and
Speaker 1: kind of build formats, you know, for artists, for athletes
Speaker 1: to be able to like funck Man, tell our story,
Speaker 1: do what we want to do. And so that's when
Speaker 1: I'm on now, So talk to me a little bit
Speaker 1: about the cannabis space and the progress you see in
Speaker 1: professional sports, particularly basketball. I mean, you guys are pioneers
Speaker 1: with al I would say cannabis is probably a thing
Speaker 1: that you know, should be passed, right. Um. I love
Speaker 1: the way that the NBA has adopted it. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's better than drinking, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Uh pills, Yeah, people taking pills and all that. And
Speaker 1: it's like you can manage somebody who had like who
Speaker 1: smokes a lot of weed, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like you can have a conversation with somebody, probably a
Speaker 1: long conversation with somebody who smokes a lot of weights,
Speaker 1: so I don't think and like it's known to be
Speaker 1: like a healing agent and have all these kind of
Speaker 1: nutrients that our bodies. The reason why we was blowing
Speaker 1: and smoking, you know what I mean? Uh after the
Speaker 1: games was like ship man, we smoked and washing gang
Speaker 1: drink a gang of water. Man, we just drink a
Speaker 1: gang of water and being like all right, bro, when
Speaker 1: I wake up, we go to my spot of your
Speaker 1: spot and watch that's grezy. Bro. I want to take
Speaker 1: us back to the one car trip where we just
Speaker 1: laying in the baby we're about to go smoke at
Speaker 1: the smoke of my house. And who was riding with us?
Speaker 1: So we get in the car right right? School school?
Speaker 1: Remember that we tell this story. We're on the way
Speaker 1: to We're on the way to school career, right. I
Speaker 1: think it was mine was putting up in my house.
Speaker 1: Yeah toever like sure, yeah, I was driving, That's all
Speaker 1: I mean. You were driving and me and Matt getting
Speaker 1: out the car about to gud we just got back
Speaker 1: from Utah, right, and we're going we're getting out of
Speaker 1: the car and beat it like yo Jack the homie
Speaker 1: pop room for us, right. I looked at man, I'm
Speaker 1: like all right, Okay, you're being man like. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: col you know you know where that came from, the
Speaker 1: homie spoon. He was like, hey, man, I'm telling you bro, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I warrior niggas on that pop shit. Man, you know
Speaker 1: what you're doing to these Dallas boys. We was like,
Speaker 1: what that ship was? Deep though, stand at the world
Speaker 1: through your I was like, like it was real quiet
Speaker 1: in the room at first. He was like, He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's monte Ellis. I thought you were just one of
Speaker 1: the tribal called quick. He was snapping, bro, he was.
Speaker 1: It was like he brought this dude shout out that al.
Speaker 1: He said, Man, I'm telling you might. I'm telling you mate,
Speaker 1: like man, y'all boys out there tugging mine. Y'all boys
Speaker 1: out there thugging mine, you know, And you know what
Speaker 1: you're doing, bro, staying at the boys in your rear view.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I took that with me all the way
Speaker 1: I was with him. But the guy we're talking about
Speaker 1: is the same guy who created the word trill. The
Speaker 1: world don't know that he's from my hometown and that's
Speaker 1: the creator the word trill. Word. Yeah, he deep out spool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I did I was like, man, yeah he said,
Speaker 1: he said first I was trying to get your motivated
Speaker 1: that it was like park RYEO was definitely ready to spoke.
Speaker 1: And then we get upstairs, He's like, come up to the
Speaker 1: the elephants like, oh yeah Jack, the Homi Big too,
Speaker 1: the Legends winners. Hey, we're coming down the stretch. Quick hitters.
Speaker 1: First thing that comes to mind, who are your top
Speaker 1: five point god God, Isaiah Thomas, John Stockton, Magic Johnson,
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd, and Steph Curry Dope soundtrack to Your Life.
Speaker 1: Three songs in rotation, Uh so many tears, the Lauren
Speaker 1: Hills song the last song on the album now I know,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, third song would be Michael Jackson almost there.
Speaker 1: I just knew it was gonna be some Niver, some
Speaker 1: Dr dre in there somewhere. Oh fish, I mean you
Speaker 1: only got three though. Yeah. NEIP is the album album
Speaker 1: to My Life. If they were to make a biopick,
Speaker 1: who would play you? Who would play me? I was?
Speaker 1: I know would play you? Know? I know? What was
Speaker 1: her boyfriend name? On friend sample was his best friend name?
Speaker 1: That's the husband was no, not graty, her husband the
Speaker 1: great was his whome boy when they drink all the time.
Speaker 1: That's will play your husband? Was it Rollo? Now? I
Speaker 1: wouldn't Roller's name, wasn't roloph? I show I was thinking
Speaker 1: about that man. I was thinking like you the of
Speaker 1: a story? Yeah, who could? Who could probably play me?
Speaker 1: I would say somebody like uh little Duval? No, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say a little Michael B. Jordan's no way, no way?
Speaker 1: Why not what you mean? Actually he could? But Kenny
Speaker 1: who they know how to go on the character? Bro Kenny?
Speaker 1: Who we can you could teach him? I think he's
Speaker 1: good enough to figure it out. I think Michael B.
Speaker 1: Jordan is like too handsle, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That nag gonna take away from me? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? I ain't that to find a diamond in
Speaker 1: the rough. Yeah, we gotta find an ugly negative play.
Speaker 1: But but it's a little cannibal burst. It's somebody like somebody,
Speaker 1: it's like that nig. You don't even look like beady,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Are like Lamar and Morris,
Speaker 1: somebody who like a straight nerd, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: just like a naked just like you don't even look
Speaker 1: like here. It's some kid in your neighborhood that know
Speaker 1: all about you, that know the same demograph, that can
Speaker 1: play that role. Yeah, I let it be a kid,
Speaker 1: A top five sneakers of all time. You know, I
Speaker 1: ain't no sneaker person, Jack, You've been waiting now you've
Speaker 1: been coming to and I don't. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: really like know the names ship. I just uh hardaway
Speaker 1: wote them leadings. I know there's the label that they
Speaker 1: used to pay me and then down when they let
Speaker 1: me go. Stock went down when they let me go, though,
Speaker 1: absolutely is the label pain. Come on, bro, I used
Speaker 1: to say that ship like you gotta leadings. They're paying No, Bro,
Speaker 1: They're going, They're going, They're going. I got shoes in
Speaker 1: the market. Five dinner guests dead or alive. Was five
Speaker 1: all my dogs over here the wall. Yeah, I break
Speaker 1: bread with them, and then I'll break bread with you know,
Speaker 1: I have five women I have to break bread with.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I got my grandmother. You know,
Speaker 1: you got Harriet's man. Uh, you got my angelou h
Speaker 1: rest in peace, Cecily Tyson, and the last one would
Speaker 1: be Um Jackie joined Kursey. Good call, last question, Bro,
Speaker 1: There's no more after this but go ahead, you got
Speaker 1: another Yeah, who do you want to all the smoke?
Speaker 1: What do you want to see all the smoke? Chris whatever?
Speaker 1: We just had him, just had him. I like to
Speaker 1: see uh, Chuck d you know what, that's funny. I'd
Speaker 1: like to see Chuck dal on the show. And then
Speaker 1: I like to see Isaiah Thomas real quick. Before we
Speaker 1: finish your connection with Kobe? What he meant to you? Bro?
Speaker 1: When I was here, Like when I was in high
Speaker 1: school and when Koby got to the Lakers, I was
Speaker 1: it was my senior year. So Kobe was like, you
Speaker 1: know the panicles and when he came here, you funk
Speaker 1: with me. I never forget. Like they took me to
Speaker 1: his house and I was like, oh, what's up, bro,
Speaker 1: you want to go hang out? And he was like no, Bro,
Speaker 1: I'm saying and watch these tape, like we can do
Speaker 1: that tomorrow. You know, you're like be watching take tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, ship, Like I probably won't be hanging
Speaker 1: out with this dude, you know what I mean? But
Speaker 1: he would come to the gym and like me and
Speaker 1: Kobe always had like this when we see each other,
Speaker 1: we was like bros. And then like I remember when
Speaker 1: he was in therapy. I was in physical therapy like
Speaker 1: every morning, Like I was the only person I felt
Speaker 1: like with funk with Kobe, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You had these dark ass glasses on the physical therapy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, mother fucking you blind, He's sleep and you
Speaker 1: wake up, motherfucker what you're talking about? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And we'd just be going back and forth.
Speaker 1: So it was like for me, I always wanted to
Speaker 1: like pay homas to him because he was like a
Speaker 1: big bro, you know what I mean, and almost like
Speaker 1: a guy. And then at the same time I knew
Speaker 1: like all the ship he was going through. So every
Speaker 1: time I've seen it, you know, always like Kobe is
Speaker 1: one dude. I every time I saw I was, I
Speaker 1: made sure he knew, you know what I mean, Like nigga,
Speaker 1: if if it's God, Nigga, you are Jesus to us,
Speaker 1: you feel what I'm saying to this game, to this hoop,
Speaker 1: And you know, we just always had that like connected fabric.
Speaker 1: I remember interviewing him, you know, for ESPN the magazine,
Speaker 1: Like I believe it was like after the Colorado ship.
Speaker 1: You know, it was just always like recepted to me
Speaker 1: and ship. And I remember being with the Knicks and
Speaker 1: before I got hurt, he was like, Yo, we're gonna
Speaker 1: play one on one. If I beat you, you I
Speaker 1: come to the Lakers next year. And now I was like, well, ship, dog, like,
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna beat me. What do I get if
Speaker 1: I win? He was like, I speak to some kids
Speaker 1: at your basketball camp, said nigga, get your brand or something.
Speaker 1: But that's how Kobe was. He was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: go speak to the kids at your cam. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's what's up. But he was he was my dog, absolutely,
Speaker 1: rest in peace. Last thing, real quick. We got someone
Speaker 1: who's been mentioned on our show more times than anybody
Speaker 1: in the building. So we gotta bring in front of
Speaker 1: camera quick. Come on, turn, come up, really make your appearance. Turn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got the most come he got the most mentions, mentions,
Speaker 1: he got the most men in all the small history.
Speaker 1: So come sit on the couch. Take you see real quick. Turn.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like you said, this is who
Speaker 1: see a lot of you saw bearing on the biggest stage,
Speaker 1: but this is you know that his best friend growing
Speaker 1: up family, You know what I mean? And I just
Speaker 1: think it's dope. We want to give you a shout out, man,
Speaker 1: because so many people have mentioned you, from Wayne to
Speaker 1: be d to KG to Paul too, So we just
Speaker 1: want to give you a little shot. It's my dog
Speaker 1: right there for real. We talked about that. We believe
Speaker 1: he has to be on the Doctor right in the
Speaker 1: middle of it. He heart of it with fat Rat.
Speaker 1: Gonna say but on all the episodes we had, all
Speaker 1: the episodes we have for all our fans, all our
Speaker 1: listeners is yeah, this is the termined that everybody's talking about.
Speaker 1: Our brother. Yeah, he's a punk guy. He's a guy,
Speaker 1: the one and only the lefty. Hey man, that's a rap.
Speaker 1: Another addition of all the smoke, Thank you Baron term Jack,
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