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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another dish to all the Smoke. Brother, are

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Speaker 1: you I'm good man? Yourself couldn't be better? It couldn't

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Speaker 1: be better. Yes, we gotta go with today. We've been

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Speaker 1: asking for this man. We've been asking for this man

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Speaker 1: and he just popped up on us today unexpected and

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Speaker 1: blessed us. And he's still looking forwards Weed Baron Davis,

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Speaker 1: boom Diesel, my dogs. What's up? Bro? This is the

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Speaker 1: dumbest show. Well, I just want to give you roses.

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Speaker 1: Y'all doing the damn thing and motherfucker's out here. You

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Speaker 1: need to pay attention because this is like some new ship,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And y'all really get into

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Speaker 1: the hardest ship asking like I watched your motherfucker's go

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Speaker 1: from like can't you even read? You know what? That

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Speaker 1: dropped out of school? You know what I mean? No,

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Speaker 1: but you graduated and dropped out and he never went

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Speaker 1: to school and sow the sea. How to be able

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Speaker 1: to do this? Man? It's like this is my favorite shop.

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Speaker 1: In turn be at the studio back to back. This

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Speaker 1: is the one. Right he went to school, but I

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Speaker 1: didn't go to school. And he got a degree and

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Speaker 1: he went to class, you know what I mean. But

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Speaker 1: he just like the once he was done with school,

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Speaker 1: he just like, funk it. I'm I don't want nothing.

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Speaker 1: By was crazy? What was one thing you took from?

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Speaker 1: Really just like get back to being who I wanted

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Speaker 1: to be, you know what I mean, and like learn

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Speaker 1: to appreciate what I have, Appreciate the time that I

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Speaker 1: got with my kids and ship like that. And then

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Speaker 1: I think I would say, like on a macro standpoint,

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Speaker 1: it's like I'm looking at this world and I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at black people, and I'm like, yo, we got an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to like actually be who we are supposed to

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Speaker 1: be in our generation. Got a chance to pioneer that ship.

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Speaker 1: And it started with this young man right here, and

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Speaker 1: I'm just so proud of him for that. So it

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Speaker 1: was just like he set the standard. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, fucking let's we gotta figure it out. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what was your thought when you've seen I mean this, dude,

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Speaker 1: you know, our brother led the biggest protests in the

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Speaker 1: history of our country, sights without sixteen countries, eighteen countries.

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Speaker 1: What were your thoughts when you're seeing this dude on TV?

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Speaker 1: I was praying for him. I was praying for him.

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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you found like I was praying

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Speaker 1: for him, and I remember I came was like dog

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Speaker 1: and mounted that this is this is your thing? You

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Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying, like, this is like this your

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Speaker 1: calling homie, and like, can't nobody take that ship away?

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Speaker 1: Because we've been through worse ship, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: who's like more forgiving, right, who's more at peace with himself?

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Speaker 1: And that peaceful guy? So go out there and walk, bro,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be are praying for you, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. I'm gonna be here trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: how to make all this ship move on the back end,

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Speaker 1: oh my end, you know what I mean? It was

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Speaker 1: hella inspired. I was like, Yo, you're gone, You're enough

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Speaker 1: the priest good. Imagine that that'd mean dope? I mean

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Speaker 1: obviously you know, fuscile justice is something we've been in.

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Speaker 1: You made a very hard felt post the other day

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Speaker 1: about the Asian hate and how it needs to stop.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? Talk Like I said, as as

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Speaker 1: a black community feel that we have a chance to

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Speaker 1: advance right now. But so at the same time, there's

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Speaker 1: stuff that brings us back down to reality daily, such

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Speaker 1: as these random hate cries between you know, people abusing

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Speaker 1: elder Asians, people abusing the Latino uh you know, uh

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Speaker 1: street workers. What are your thought with all that stuff? Man?

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Speaker 1: I just think that for us and where we're at,

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Speaker 1: like it's time for us to like come together and

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Speaker 1: bring people with us, right. And so when I made

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Speaker 1: that statement, it's like I got Asian homies, who are

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Speaker 1: my brothers, you know what I mean? We all got

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Speaker 1: Asian homies and Asian home girls, and like families that

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Speaker 1: like to care of me, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And companies I invested in and I know what they're

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Speaker 1: trying to do. And you know, I was a part

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Speaker 1: of this Stop to Hate. Our hate is a virus,

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Speaker 1: the campaign, and and to me it just really meant

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Speaker 1: something because those are people, right, and the stereotypes that

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Speaker 1: we've been perpetuating against blacks and Mexicans, blacks and Asians,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's time for us

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Speaker 1: to say, nah, we ain't going for that ship no more.

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Speaker 1: Like these are folks, you know what I mean? And

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Speaker 1: these are people and that and that's why I stood

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Speaker 1: up because I feel like, fuck it, if they're gonna

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Speaker 1: do that, then let's all go ball. You know. I

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Speaker 1: am like, all right, let's all go gang up and

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Speaker 1: now what's happening? You know what I'm saying. So you're

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Speaker 1: really all in the same circle. I mean, any kind

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Speaker 1: of minority, we in the same kind of fight, know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, so they know we might as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I always say the minority. If the majority, man,

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Speaker 1: you feel me, they label us the minority to try

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Speaker 1: to keep us on, trying to keep us boxes were

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Speaker 1: definitely the majority. Tell us about your upbringing South Central

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Speaker 1: Grandma was very influential, influential in your life. Tell us

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Speaker 1: about your bringing. Man, just you know, grew up kind

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Speaker 1: of like the worst way, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I grew up the worst way, but also the best way.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to explain to somebody. It was like

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Speaker 1: like I didn't have nothing, but I did not not

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Speaker 1: half without, you know what I mean, Like I had

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Speaker 1: everything I needed and I love, but like I didn't

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Speaker 1: have that ship. You know. When I walked out my grandparents,

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Speaker 1: everything else was checky, everything else was jankie you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, You're saying like you know, I'm in

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Speaker 1: the I'm in the you know it's Gotham Park. You

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Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying. I'm saying a crip walk is

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Speaker 1: darter to go get a free lance then getting mocked

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Speaker 1: for two blocks. Come back, they're shooting. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: still on the court. We're laughing about it with kids

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Speaker 1: like buildings. But you know in the moment, you ain't

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Speaker 1: thinking about you like you're laughing because this ship normal.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're playing football and homies say hey, man,

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Speaker 1: if y'all say hike, we're gonna shoot, We're gonna shoot.

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Speaker 1: You all glass up and they're like, hey, for you

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Speaker 1: better say hike. You know what I mean, say hike,

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Speaker 1: that be be guns. So just like stupid ship, that's

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Speaker 1: like hella traumatizing normal, like a normal you know what.

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Speaker 1: It was just like it couldn't get no worse, right,

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Speaker 1: and so the love inside my Grandma Grandpa Paul house,

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Speaker 1: it couldn't be no better, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: And so that that was like my escape going up. Man.

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Speaker 1: So I got to see it a good and the

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Speaker 1: worst in just the hierarchy in the hood. You feel

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like how to live and be there

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Speaker 1: for seventy years and all that ship and then like, okay,

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Speaker 1: these these are over here. They they ain't got too

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Speaker 1: long and what I'm saying, yeah, man, ain't there. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to us about being able growing up in that

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Speaker 1: environment and then going to somewhere like Crossroads. Had that

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Speaker 1: come about? And how did that shape your you with

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Speaker 1: an adult? Yeah, shout out to that family grew Uh.

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Speaker 1: I just directed a documentary called Dreamers and Doors for

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Speaker 1: k Swiss and Fad work that case. Swiss and he

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Speaker 1: had an a team and he saw the point guard

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Speaker 1: a Crossroads was like five six, and he was like, Yo,

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Speaker 1: Baron can go there. Like he would be a good

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Speaker 1: dude to be around white people, you know, because he

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Speaker 1: had went to like an integrated school. So he was like, Yo,

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Speaker 1: he probably need a chance to like be out this

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Speaker 1: ship and being around white people. And now my grandmother,

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Speaker 1: one of my good friends, got killed on the bus

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Speaker 1: stop the year before I graduated from sixth grade, so like,

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Speaker 1: ship is hot, you know what I mean? And she like,

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Speaker 1: we gotta figure out a way to like not not

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Speaker 1: put this food on the bus, you know what. I

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Speaker 1: mean like I'm hearing the conversations, but it's only you.

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Speaker 1: Still gotta get on the bus Monday't game? Right? You

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Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying? And like that bus stop is hot.

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Speaker 1: That's the hottest bus stop, you know, from from two

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Speaker 1: o'clock to eight o'clock in the morning. You know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. And so that was like, yeo, what about crossroads?

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Speaker 1: So my grandfather rest in peace. He was in his

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Speaker 1: last year living. He used to get up in the morning, Bro,

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Speaker 1: I'll show you a god, how good God is, and

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Speaker 1: drive me to Manchester and Crenshaw that used to come

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Speaker 1: from Inglewood. Pick me up on Manchester and Crenshaw, take

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Speaker 1: me the crossroads right then come back, double back and

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Speaker 1: go all the way to bird Back. And so it

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Speaker 1: was like an experiment. I learned a lot of ship.

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Speaker 1: I learned a lot of ship about just like race

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Speaker 1: in general, you know what I mean at cross roads

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Speaker 1: like my homeboy and I don't know even though if

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Speaker 1: I can say this ship, but my homeboy taught me

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Speaker 1: how to you know, tag and draw gang songs, and

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Speaker 1: the Nina taught me how to make a swastika. So

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Speaker 1: I'm in class. I'm just like doodling and ship and

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Speaker 1: You're crazy. And that's when I learned, like, damn, that's

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Speaker 1: not good, you know what I mean. I learned a

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Speaker 1: lot of things from Crossroads, right, I learned a lot

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Speaker 1: of things. I learned, like, you know what a gay

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Speaker 1: person really was, you know what I mean, Like as

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Speaker 1: far as like in the hood is one thing, you

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Speaker 1: like celebrating. I was trying. And then it made me

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Speaker 1: understand why the kid in my neighborhood was like that,

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Speaker 1: but also like you get more fucking with me, you

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Speaker 1: I mean. But she, you know, it was a lot

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Speaker 1: of animosity like as she was like as he was

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Speaker 1: transition into her and he used to fund people up,

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Speaker 1: about other cultures and like breaking down stereotyp because they

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Speaker 1: had to break down my stereotype too. So that was

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Speaker 1: kind of like how God kind of worked and got

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Speaker 1: me in that schools. It was. It was that basically

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Speaker 1: saying he could play at a five three at five

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Speaker 1: three point guard in high school at cross shows, talk

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Speaker 1: to us about the basketball side. You started off a

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Speaker 1: small dude. We was talking before you even got to

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Speaker 1: like a little bear and little bear and grew talk

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Speaker 1: to us about just your game and your growth. I

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Speaker 1: just let a game. I always had a crazy imagination

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Speaker 1: that was five three and ninth grade, five five and

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Speaker 1: thirty pounds in tenth grade like five eight or five

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Speaker 1: nine and eleven, and I just like I just kept

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Speaker 1: I kept growing. And once I got I think I

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Speaker 1: was in ten graand was like five five six, I

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Speaker 1: dunked and I dunked on all my and once I

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Speaker 1: figured out I conduct, I started like playing my teammates

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Speaker 1: one on one and Ship and started dunking on him.

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Speaker 1: And like once I figured out, like, oh Ship, I

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Speaker 1: can dunk like I dunk on the dunk course, it

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Speaker 1: basketball wise, like being small, like I always had heart,

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Speaker 1: though hen sugar free acts. Smack it as soon as

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00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: we get in front of the the clip over the door,

427
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: close the door bad. You know, you're always trying to

428
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 1: floss in college and Ship and Niggers was always like

429
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,199
Speaker 1: left left hanging right outside the club. That car was

430
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: sucked up and tied at the purple people leader tied

431
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: out a purple tied at a purple blazer bro the

432
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 1: color of Barney. People used to take that on day.

433
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: So it used to be like your first deck car

434
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: and then if you like it, you could get my car.

435
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: But you make sure he slammed that backed up girl

436
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: had that red pt killer. He was raping somebody on

437
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,479
Speaker 1: first got it. Remember the pret cruisers from Gilanni had

438
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: a car that had tickets on it. You know it

439
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: was a jeep, but you can't tell what color it

440
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: was because it had so many tickets. They never touched

441
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: the car. Rico. Rico is like that too. You tell

442
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 1: about one of our producers. Gilanni is over here, This

443
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: Gilanni right here. He had so many tickets. He had

444
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 1: a boot. I remember I got a boot before the

445
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: Syracuse game. Remember that that ship was sucked up. I

446
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: got a boot up pulling the tunnel. I thought I

447
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 1: was flossing. They gave me a boot. I had to

448
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: get his car stuck down in the tunnel and Dick

449
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: Vitale all these dudes walking in, like, Yo, I think

450
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: you got hu had to go pay them parking tickets.

451
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: That ship was fun. You had a h you posted

452
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: something recently, but I remember when it happened when jay

453
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: Z wore your jersey that summer. The black One talk

454
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: to us about that. I mean, you will alway is

455
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: really in touch with that outside celebrity world like you was.

456
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: I mean, like you said you use from that, like

457
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, I mean you got the heart beat l A.

458
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, the honey Ivory came over and he uh

459
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: he had brought hip hop and so were cold. Yeah,

460
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: that's my dog every yeah ivery man hip hop was like, man,

461
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: what y'all drinking? We was like nigga twinkle toes. We

462
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: used to call Andre's twinkles like pouring pouring in the glass.

463
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: That ship looked like Chris a ship. So He's like

464
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: nigging that's Andre drinking. Ya ain't drinking Chris style, and

465
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: like we cool. I was like in college, we ain't

466
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: doing it like that. And so he was like, Yo,

467
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: you want to go meet jay Z. Jay Z want

468
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: to wear your jersey? That was like for real. He

469
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: was like hell yeah, jay Z because at the time

470
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: people was like it was right before people start really

471
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: rocking jerseys. So we go to Cafe mass We all

472
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: all up as many can fit in the car. Though

473
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 1: we walk in kicked it for a little bit, said

474
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: it was up to Jay. I gave me my black

475
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: U c l A jersey and jersey they hated too.

476
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: He dog the tradition the older the older heads that

477
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: they hated that jersey too. Go ahead, yeah, So I

478
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 1: gave him the black one and then I gave him

479
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: a white one and he was like, oh yeah, I

480
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: appreciate you, dog, like I funk with y'all and like

481
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: the whole team. We saw him pull off in his

482
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: range and that was and then we went to the concert.

483
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: And then at the concert he popped up with the jersey.

484
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: Everybody was going crazy, but it was dumb. I got

485
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: a chance to me like method man and read me.

486
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: I remember at the time. I was like, man, I

487
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: funk what you read man? He was like you my nigg.

488
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 1: I was like hell yeah. He was like drink and

489
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: gave me some hennessy. I was like, yesterday, right, I

490
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: forgot who else was there, but like it was, it

491
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: was a bunch of people when he was like backstage,

492
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: that ship was cool. And jay Z showed us a

493
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: lot of love, and he had always showed love, you know,

494
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: He's always been like a solid dude, you know what

495
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Thoughts of this year's U c l A

496
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: team and how they perform. I liked him, man. I

497
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: thought that they were consistent with who they were the

498
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: whole the whole year. I thought, you know, with all

499
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: adversity that they have been been through, they made it

500
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: to the final four. They got a diverse team, you

501
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean. The coach is like a dude

502
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: like you want to play for you know what I mean,

503
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: Like I want to coach. It's like into it and

504
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: into his players and in the winning and coaching you up,

505
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: and like they love them for us as you see

506
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: l A as like an alumni former players ship like that,

507
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: it kind of make you put your guard down, you

508
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and be like, yo, I ain't

509
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: ship right now. Let's pour all our energy into these dudes.

510
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: And and and so you know, they don't know what they did,

511
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: but they brought a lot of dudes together because a

512
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: lot of us like love U c l A. You know,

513
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: we live in we live in breathe the u c

514
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 1: l A. Right. We all want to be connected, and

515
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: that gave everybody else that wasn't playing opportunity to reconnect,

516
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: you know, especially during the pandemic and ship where you

517
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: feel like you lost. It's like, yeah, okay, I still

518
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: got a home. So now I'm going back to school ship,

519
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: you know, and I signed up to go back to school.

520
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: I saw Kenny Donaldson, so I'm like, all right, bro,

521
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: I got I got finished. You're gonna go back on campus.

522
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: Earl did that. I was thinking about doing that, just

523
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: got too busy. We gotta do it, you know what

524
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: I mean, like a forty year old uh college students

525
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: like Rodney Danger. Yeah, back to school. So you decide

526
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: two years. First year, great freshman year, packed ten freshman,

527
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: the year you hurt your nee in the tournament. My

528
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: freshman year is your sophomore. You come into season a

529
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: little bit late on one leg at the beginning, but

530
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: was still absolutely amazed. I remember that Washington game where

531
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: you went behind your back one play, made the fat

532
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: dude jump the way out the way, anything to beat

533
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: him up before the game. Yeah, yeah, remember me and

534
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: you almost fought the whole crowd in Oregon that one time,

535
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: and they was trying to bully us, and then you're

536
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: having that don't time my color so tough? So you

537
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: decided to take your talents from U c l A

538
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: To the NBA? What what? Why did you feel like

539
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: it was time? I wanted to come back, dude? I

540
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: needed some money, bro, you know what I mean. It

541
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: was like that was it and I needed the money

542
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to get hurt. But I did

543
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: want to come back because we had lost in the

544
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: first round obviously, damn dog. But you know, going to

545
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: the league was like always a dream, like but I

546
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: really wanted to stay that last I wanted to stay

547
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: one more year because if y'all don't remember that, I

548
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: used to call y'all motherfucker's all the time, Like, Yo,

549
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: I hate it out here, ro averaging sixteen minutes a

550
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: gang coming off the bench. This is no fun, Homy.

551
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: But it taught me a lot, and I think like

552
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: being around Eddie Jones rest in peace, Bobby Fields, going

553
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: through that, you know what I mean, and then like

554
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: never starting it made me so hungry that next year dog.

555
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: When I came back to l A, I was just like,

556
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: who ever wants to fade, let's go, bro, I'm taking one. Oh,

557
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm lining people up in the gym. I started bringing

558
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: all the high school kids to the gym with me,

559
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: lining them up, you know. And I was just on

560
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: the mission and like, you know, I'm determined to be

561
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: somebody after that, after that rookie year. But I didn't

562
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: really want to go. And so I think that kind

563
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: of like funk with me my whole rookie year because

564
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: I was like, and then y'all made a run in

565
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: the tournament. It was just like that ship was just

566
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: always like, yeah, I should have been home. I should

567
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: have been home, but it actually made me a man.

568
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: I mean, third pick in the draft. You go to Charlotte.

569
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: Rip Haimon had told a funny story about draft day,

570
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: how he you made him fire his agent because you

571
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: came into his room where he was in the room

572
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: with you. You gave him the whole down what happened,

573
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: and it happened, and he's like, how the fund the

574
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: baron though, Hey, fucking rip Uh. We was because we

575
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: were just all hanging out and you know, I'm nosy, bro,

576
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: something like, yeah, what's going on in the draft? What's

577
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: the movement? And then we was all just kind of

578
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: kicking and you know how dudes be like popping ship.

579
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: So I go knock on Rip, like, hey, bro, like

580
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: I think you're about to go to Washington. He was like,

581
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: you mean, like who told you that? I was like, man,

582
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm worry about it. You know what I mean. I'm

583
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: telling you that, like you know what I'm saying, Like

584
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: you ain't really you know, you know that's what you know?

585
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: Trust me, trust me that I got your back. I

586
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: found out it was like the day before because we

587
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: was all walking in the lobby and you know the

588
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: day before the draft they start really like placing dudes

589
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: and like placing the trays and ship like that. And

590
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: I was into all that ship. So I kept calling

591
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: On because I was trying to get traded to the Lakers,

592
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: and so I remember On was going back and forth

593
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: with Charlotte. He was like, look, man, if he if

594
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: you're drafted, he what if he goes overseas? What if

595
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: he does this? And Paul Silas said, if he there,

596
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna drive him. And he does show his ass

597
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: uthing and so I was like, man, if we could

598
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: just pull off the trade. And then the Vancouver thing

599
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: happened with Steve Francis, and like we was trying to

600
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: put I was trying to get in the mix of that.

601
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: Um so I just like start finding out where everybody

602
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: was gonna be positioned, and I started telling everybody, and

603
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: Britt was like how he was the only one was like, yo,

604
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: how to funk you know? This ship? And he was

605
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: pissed and he did for are his agents? What was

606
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: any many white ship? He was definitely a pioneer in

607
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: that space too. We'll get to that later. What was

608
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: the Steve Steve Francis ship? He got drafted BT couver

609
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: and did wouldn't go, right, Yeah, he wouldn't go. So

610
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: that was supposed to be, Like I was trying to

611
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: get in that, Like, oh, I ain't going either, you

612
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean? He went to Yeah, so Steve

613
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: basically he forced his hand, forced Vancouver's hand, and then

614
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: that's how Steve wind up in Houston Michael Dickerson, and

615
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: that's how the Houston things started. So they because Vancouver

616
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: already had Mike Babie, right, you know what I mean?

617
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: So Steve was like Why the funk Am I going

618
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: to Vancouver with Mike Baby and they had the reef.

619
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: I believe, like they had a squad, you know what

620
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: I mean? They had they were and Vancouver was a

621
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: great city. But then when they did that, it kind

622
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: of like that was a fall of Vancouver because it

623
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: was just like it wasn't gonna hold, like they were saying,

624
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't gonna hold. Superstar, Welcome to the NBA moment.

625
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: What is it? Probably John Stockton? He cooked you. He

626
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: like stole the ball from me, Like, oh he didn't cookie,

627
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: just throwing the ball from you. So he just like

628
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: really like imagine like just getting in the game and

629
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: you look up trying to get an inbound pass and

630
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: that ship gone. You think you gotta steal on it, Like, man,

631
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: I gotta steal that ship go. And then like I

632
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: was only in the game for like I could have

633
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: played like eight minutes to night, but like the first

634
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: two minutes it was just turnover, turnover, turnover, bucket and

635
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: one and one, And I was like, what the fuck

636
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: is going on? Go back in the same ship. You

637
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: just couldn't find him, bro. It was almost like it

638
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: was embarrassing the smartest and then I would say the

639
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: other one was Stephan Marlberry. He was killing us. But

640
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I'm a rookie coming off the

641
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: bench and uh he did something. He was like yeah

642
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: and one and he looked at me. He was like, yeah,

643
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: you don't won't known to this. You can't guard me.

644
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: And Elden Campbell was like, oh, you're gonna let him

645
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: talk to you like that. So I'm on the bench hot.

646
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm on the bench hot, I'm ready to fight everything.

647
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: Uh but that was like he was cooking me too. Yeah,

648
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: that was it. I mean other than that, I say

649
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: my first game cross Way and turn our preseason, I

650
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: go off the duck and never nervous Pervis Allison took

651
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: a charge and not custom ever nervous. It's like seven

652
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: foot motherfucker, what you're doing taking a charge? When you

653
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: first come into the league. Who are some of the

654
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: key man you didn't play as much of so your

655
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: second year once you really start rocket, who are some

656
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: of the key matchups you're looking forward to because you

657
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: played in a in a crazy time where it was

658
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: ai a young day, Steve Nash, Gilbert, you name it.

659
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: People was out there all of them, all of them

660
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: at Chris paul In there Williams at Darren Williams at

661
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd, add Nick van Naxel at Rod Strickland as

662
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: Sam Casale. Uh, these are all the people we lost

663
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: to in the playoffs. Uh ship who else? Damon stodolm

664
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: Meyer dog. It was. It was era of every night,

665
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: Mike Bibby, Like You're getting a different look from a

666
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: different point guard every night. And then you gotta go

667
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: against the Greg Anthony's and the Charlie Wards who are like,

668
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, more defensive minded that Eric Snow's defensive mindy

669
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson. I played against Mark Jackson. So all these

670
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: like great point guards that you you know, you kind

671
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: of watch growing up, you know what I mean? It

672
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: was It was crazy. But Sam Cassell was was called

673
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: bloody bro Sam Cansell was called bloody. Steve Nash was

674
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: called blooded. It was a lot. It was a lot.

675
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: It was a lot. You made the playoffs your first

676
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: five years? What is it like you thinking like every year,

677
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, okay, we made it, U you made like

678
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: that with it? What did it just become normal for you? Yeah?

679
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: It was um man, it was like we had a

680
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: chance like every year we showed up, we felt like

681
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: we were just good. We had some good teams, and

682
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: we felt like we could make it. Because if you

683
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs and you get the matchup you want,

684
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: like we felt we can yeah, and even if it

685
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: was a tough matchup and a lot of those series

686
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: we just lost in seven and you know, like the

687
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: games could have went either way. And we had a

688
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: real vet squad that, like them Folds, just turned it

689
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: up a notch and got like, hella quick, more athletic

690
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: in the playoffs and I'm like, oh, ship, let's go,

691
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it was just like

692
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: we felt we could win every year. You know, we

693
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: felt like we could upset and you know in advance.

694
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: But in that era, everybody was trying to get to

695
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: playoffs because they felt like they were good enough, you

696
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Most memberle Playoffs series, most memorable

697
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: Playoffs series outside do we believe? Of course? Sure, I

698
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: would say the Orlando series, you know, knocked off Mac

699
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: right when we knocked off t Mac. That's that's the

700
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: year that I got myself to Max, you know what

701
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: I mean, that was my f You got yourself to

702
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: Max and I think that's important. Yeah, because you know

703
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: you're going into the series my Ashburn gets hurt. He

704
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: had vertigo, so it's pretty much all of my you know,

705
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: it was I was next in line, and so when

706
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: we when we beat the Mavericks in that series, it

707
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: was almost like, you know, I had I think the

708
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: last two games, I had two triple doubles, you know

709
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: what I mean to like close them out in Orlando,

710
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: and I just remember on the bus everybody was like

711
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: they are you're about to get the Max. You wanted

712
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: to get the Max. He was like, Yo, You're about

713
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: to get the MAX. And it was like why do

714
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: you need that? And then the conversation was like why

715
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: you need an agent? You know, if you're gonna get

716
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: a MAX, Like why would you get age into money

717
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: like they they got a sign you because we was

718
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: moving because we basically got kicked out of Charlotte UM

719
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: and then moved to New Orleans like forest Hand to

720
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: basically take the best player with him. And so that

721
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: ship was crazy, bro. It was like one of the

722
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: craziest thing. You find your agent and negotiated your own deal. Yeah,

723
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: basically I walked into my agent office with a suit

724
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: and I was just like, yeah, you know what I mean.

725
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I want to do this by myself,

726
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: from start my own agency, represent myself. And he was like,

727
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: good luck. I think you're making you know, a big mistake.

728
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, you know whatever, I'm I got.

729
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna keep this six percent and learn

730
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: from it, you know what I mean? And so that's

731
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: six percent for me was always like what I was

732
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: gonna use to build my agency to like invest in me,

733
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: to like invest in a movie, whatever it is. You

734
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: know what I mean that I really wanted to do.

735
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 1: That was that what that six percent? And that sixth

736
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: percent can also go to my family, you know what

737
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: I mean? And like what I want to do for

738
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: my family to help, you know, invest in my family

739
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: and ship talk about the culture change going from Charlotte

740
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: to New Orleans. Charlotte to New Orleans, it was there

741
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 1: was no stability, Like you go. Charlotte was a basket

742
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, North Carolinas basketball country. New Orleans is a

743
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: party city and a tourist city, right, and so New

744
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: Orleans was not built for a basketball team. New Orleans

745
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: was built for football, right. It is st. St. St.

746
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: So even with us coming, like, there are no Fortune

747
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: five hundred companies, there are no forts A two D companies,

748
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: So the sponsorships, the things like that, it was just

749
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: hella Jankee, I think and I still believe Entergy is

750
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: the largest company down in that area. And other than that,

751
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: you got like Smoothie King and like uh not Bojangles,

752
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: but Popeye's and he had a bunch of chains. So

753
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: you got like local business people, you know what I

754
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: mean around the team. And there's no high you know,

755
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: there's no high net worth sponsors to actually carry the team.

756
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: So you know, we practice in West we Go like

757
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: and a goddamn like rec center until they built, you know,

758
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: until they built finally, like a whole practice reality, but

759
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: like we would share our bathroom was a public bathroom,

760
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And it was like ship.

761
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: Our showers was kind of like public showers. You know.

762
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: It would be an n R A meeting and we

763
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: got a practice, you know what I'm saying. And so

764
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: you know they'be having a little craft services and I'm like, yeah,

765
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm about to go over there and get me some

766
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: of that ship. They're like, man, they're gonna shoot, you know,

767
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: so it's just all kind of shi happening, you know

768
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: what I mean. And then in the arena, in the arena,

769
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: like we weren't really getting a draw, you know, and

770
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: like the amenities and ship like that. So it was

771
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: just like they was like filling it in as we

772
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: was going. But we had a good team though. We

773
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: had a good team. And then like you know, they

774
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: made the transition with bar Scott and then after that,

775
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: like it just went. It wasn't no good for me

776
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: at that point, no more. But New Orleans was crazy

777
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: because I had you know, that's how I invested in

778
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: vitamin water because they had my like a fat head.

779
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: I think I had it on the whole side of

780
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: the arena, you know what I mean. It's like the

781
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: whole arena was bad. That was it. You pulled from

782
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: the airport as Beat, I go a billboard. Okay, that's

783
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: another b D billboard. That's the bed and the team. Okay,

784
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 1: that's two players. Okay, here go Beat points to beat.

785
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: And they wrapped the arena, no bullshit. They wrapped the

786
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: arena with a big gass fat head, you know what

787
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: I mean. And so you know, you could tell me ship,

788
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, uh, and that's I remember

789
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: when Vitamin Water came, they was like, we don't have

790
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: no money from marketing. And I was like, Brian trub

791
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: and you see all these like ship, I got you,

792
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: and that's how I like took a chance on them.

793
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: But it was like New Orleans, like it was crazy

794
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: because like all of a sudden, like I was thrown

795
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: out there. Both of our owners was like fighting over

796
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: who's owning the team. So I like after practice, they'd

797
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you gotta come to this cocktail reception,

798
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: gotta go with this dude. I gotta go over here

799
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: with this dude. It's like, what does he tell you?

800
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: What you Yeah? My second I remember the second year

801
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. I remember that George Shen. You know,

802
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: I knew he had financial problems. So I was like, uh,

803
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, Mr Shan, I I just forfeit my last

804
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: two years. You know my next two years that's about

805
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: you know, twenty five million, and then I just invested

806
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: in the team and be your partner. And he just

807
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: like he wanted to say, get your black ass, you

808
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: know what I mean? But hey, dog, it was it

809
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: was fair like it was fair like yo, I give

810
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: my contract back. I know you've got some financial problems.

811
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: Like you and homeboy over here, you ain't really see

812
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: an eye of eye. And I know you got this

813
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: this loan, you know what I mean. Man, he put

814
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: in on that dog, I'm the highest paid. Ain't like that.

815
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: He did not like that. And so that's like when

816
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: ship starts spiraling down. When they started asking me to

817
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: do goofy ship, like, uh, tell everybody on the team

818
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: you to put their hand over their heart for the

819
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: national anthem and ship like that. I was like, hey, bro,

820
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: I can't tell nobody to do nothing, you know what

821
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: I mean. And they started making like a little issues

822
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: like that. And then like you know, and that's the

823
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: same era in time when t O was doing all that,

824
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and like just athletes was

825
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: like acting out. It was like, because one, you're asking

826
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: the wrong dude, you know what I mean. You want

827
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: me to ask David West to put this in even

828
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: though you're rookie. You want me to tell a W

829
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: West you have to put your hand over your heart,

830
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, for the national anthem. Man. It was like, man,

831
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: get the funk out of here. You also developed a

832
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: relationship with little Wayne out there, talk to us about that. Yeah,

833
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: whyn't that's my dog, you know what I mean? Like,

834
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: I know you was big in the wrap. I remember

835
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: this one time, just quick story. You see that he

836
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: was taking me to the train station or something. This

837
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: motherfucker was driving fastest fun rapping and writing in his

838
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: notebook at the same time. Bro Die, Yeah, man, if

839
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: it shout out to Wayne, I think Wayne kind of

840
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 1: gave me the bug to start rapping. So we built

841
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: a little booth. I forgot what that ship was called

842
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: the cave t What was that called the cage? Yeah,

843
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: we caught. We had the cage. We built a little

844
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: cave j'all. But Wayne, you know we uh, he used

845
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: to kick it with us all the time, Me and Turn.

846
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: You know, he really used to kick it with time

847
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: because I'd be at practice. But term Coppo, Wayne, Molly,

848
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: all of them, you know what I mean. Because when

849
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: when I got there, it was like, you know, you

850
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: get introduced to like the O. G. S. And that

851
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: I got introduced the baby Slam no limit dudes, you

852
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I met all of you know,

853
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: make sure I made me the soldiers slam. Rest in peace, Dog,

854
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: that was my dog. That was the first I was

855
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: like the first real dude that I was, you know,

856
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: I locked in with. But you know, you meet all ogs,

857
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: all the street dudes, make sure. But Wayne and Time

858
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 1: and Coppo, they was all just like, yeah, they was tight.

859
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: And so we're sitting around the house, you know, and

860
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: dudes coming in from l A. We're sharing like stories

861
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: and ship like that and war stories and turn time

862
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: of his stories in the death Row days, you know

863
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: what I mean. And Wayne was like he was eating

864
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: all that ship up, you know what I mean. He

865
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: was sh up, he was taking that ship up, you

866
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And plus like where he was from,

867
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: he was already like moving, you know what I mean,

868
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: he was already moving. So like they were just like

869
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: their own little like they was their own crew, you

870
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I just tap in with them

871
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: every now and again, and then you know, I just

872
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: happened to be, you know, one of wayne favorite players

873
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: at the time, and so like it was just like

874
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: it was love, you know what I mean. Like Wayne,

875
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: like to this day, that's that's like my brother, you

876
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Whatever, you know what I'm saying, whatever,

877
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: that's that's like my dog, and then I was trying

878
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: to get Game. I remember I was trying to get game.

879
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: What was it far? When we was we trying to

880
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: do Black Wall Streets South and get Game and Wayne

881
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: to partner up because Wayne was trying to get out

882
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: that first contract with a baby, and he was talking

883
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: to jay Z and we was all at the moro.

884
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I give you some bread dogs,

885
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: start youlling ship. You know what I mean. But we

886
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: was all just talking about it and Ship. I never

887
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: forget that. I was like, man, what if we did

888
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: Blackwall Street sound for I forget what it was. But

889
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: we was all like business, business was on the money.

890
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: That's good. So your transition from New Orleans to Golden State,

891
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: how'd that happened? Basically? I like burned all my resources

892
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: and had to kick me out. Yeah, because I told

893
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: Allan Bristow. I said, like he thought he was gonna

894
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: rush me. When I said, hey, bro, you take two

895
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 1: more steps, I'm gonnahoop your ass in front of everybody

896
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: in this gym. And after that they had to trade me.

897
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: He was running down. I was like, take two more sets,

898
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: my fucking you up. He stuck. He was like hey,

899
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: he was stuck on that step and by Scott was like, Yo,

900
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: what's going on? I was like, Man, I'm out of here, Man,

901
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: get me up out of here. I ain't got no time.

902
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 1: Allan Bristow told me that I thought I was God's

903
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 1: gift to basketball, and I was like, man, I can't

904
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: deal with you, bro. You know what I mean. You

905
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: already feel like a right is due to me anyway,

906
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: So man, you need to shut the funk up and

907
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: trade me, you know what I mean? Because I whip

908
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: your ass at the practice over, you know what I mean?

909
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. That's exactly what I taught him, man.

910
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: He was, Yeah, it's like you know how they do you, bro,

911
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: You know you know how they trying to do you.

912
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: And if it wasn't for Crossroads, I wouldn't have had

913
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: that part, like to be able to articulate myself right

914
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: in the room. And it just pissed him off because

915
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: it's like, you ain't gonna one. You ain't gonna shake

916
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: me down, you know what I mean. Like it's your money,

917
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You gave it to me,

918
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: so too. I don't even need all this ship, you

919
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, so they would get frustrated, right,

920
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: even like George, she like machine. He was pissed that

921
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: I offered to buy buy. That's that's the best way

922
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: I describe you to a lot of people. I say

923
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: it just grew up in competent, went the crossroads and

924
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: ended up in crossroads. Go to you mix all that up,

925
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: you go, I'm starting to understand it. To accept that ship,

926
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So to move to the Bay,

927
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: what was that like? One? I did not want to

928
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: go to Golden State because at one point it was

929
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: like l A dudes and Bay dudes, Like you know,

930
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: the stereotype is like we didn't funk with each other.

931
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: It was always like a rivalry from Kyle and all that.

932
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: But I always had good games that Golden State. And

933
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: so when I got to Golden State, it was like dead, bro,

934
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking about dead. They said, what do you think?

935
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: I said, Man, that ship feel like a fucking mortuary

936
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: every day coming up practice. You know what I mean?

937
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: He know before you got there, and when you got there,

938
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: it was like fixed a lot of it. Hey dog,

939
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: when I walked in, that motherfucking dog. They was not

940
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: trying to play no, God, man, they was trying to

941
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: make every excuse in the world not to get on

942
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: the court and hoop. And then when we got on

943
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: the court, them Foods has so much ship going on

944
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: that it was just like done leaving. I remember he

945
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: had a thing with the crowd, and I was like, man,

946
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: I mean the fucking cry like you know, people used

947
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: to funk with him and like, oh god, I used

948
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: to they like they like, you know. But it was

949
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: like a love hate relationship with Duneley because he was

950
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: drafted so high. Jason Richardson, he was dealing with injury

951
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: and we all know Jay rich Ja rich If he

952
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: can walk, if he can jog, he gonna play. So

953
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: when I got there, I was like, Jay rich you

954
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: need to sit down, my nigga. If I'm rocking me

955
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: and you're gonna rock, you gotta sit down, bro. You

956
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: can't be coming out here like I just dealt with

957
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: that ship and I'm coming off an injury, you know,

958
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: playing and so I could start coming off the bench

959
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: and you know, you got Derek Fisher there, you know,

960
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: and he you know, you know, Derek Fisher, he a

961
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: company guys men, He want to be the president. So

962
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: he wanted everything to be equal terms, you know what

963
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: I mean. But he is solidly like, he is solid teammate.

964
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: He's hell of the teammate that I could dare you.

965
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: He was solid as as as a basketball as, not

966
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: as a dude, not as a I'm just saying I

967
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: ain't up playing with when y'all saying that I just

968
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: went left, I'm living with you, you know what I'm saying.

969
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: Like he was hell of professional, Like he showed up

970
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: to work every day. He was hella diplomatic, you know

971
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: what I mean. But Mike Montgomery and like whatever, and

972
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: Troy Murphy was just like, god damn bro, he was

973
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: just like fucking like depressed the whole time. So I'm like, yo,

974
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: this ship is like a corpse. So it's like I

975
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: had to get in there and one sort of start

976
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: to get healthy. We went eight in a row in

977
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: the year, you know what I mean. And so now

978
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: everybody like feeling jewice, feeling you know, feeling feeling great. Yeah,

979
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,959
Speaker 1: and now we bring Mike Montgomery back for the second year,

980
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: and then that's when you start seeing like, you know,

981
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: the bitch and everybody again, you know what I mean.

982
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: And it was a lot of that ship where it

983
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: was team meetings and they was like, yo, beat, you

984
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: know you don't practice. And I was like, what do

985
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: you mean I do on practice? Bro? We got two rookies.

986
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: What am I practicing the whole practice for? They need

987
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: to work right, and it's me and d Fensh. I

988
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: take a day off. He takeing, like defense, you need

989
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: a day off. Let's let these dudes get the work

990
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: in and let us work. No, but he wasn't. So

991
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: everybody was playing politics. And then we had a team

992
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: meeting and everybody was like pointing fingers, you know, but

993
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: not nobody want to point no fingers. So I was like, man,

994
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,959
Speaker 1: who got something to say? I was like, man, y'all

995
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: some suckers. And that's when they got Montgomery album. Molly

996
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: come to me. He was like, don't trip. We're gonna

997
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: figure it out. And then that's for me and and

998
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: Matt length and then that's how we come into it

999
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: into the next year with Nellie. And that was a

1000
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: crazy story. So I'm in between. I'm in should I

1001
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: was on the way y'all really coming off two and

1002
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: a half years and really not playing, and I'm at

1003
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: home a Sacramento and beat hits me up the morning

1004
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: of like, oh, bro, we're hooping down here, Come up.

1005
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, hurry up, shower hopping the car, drive an

1006
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,479
Speaker 1: hour half and go down there and play. Not knowing

1007
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: that uh you know, Nellie was watching the whole time.

1008
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: They had already had something crazy like eighteen people coming

1009
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: to training camp and sixteen guarantees like I can't promise

1010
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: you nothing, but you go out here and play like

1011
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: you did today, I'll give you a chance. And that's

1012
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 1: all I needed. So that's kind of the start of that.

1013
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: That's kind of started that beginning of that seat. And

1014
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: so I worked my way from like the last dude

1015
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: on the bench and started playing well enough to trade

1016
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: don Levy and Murphy. And then if you wouldn't start

1017
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: playing well, we wouldn't never they would have never did Matt.

1018
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: I say, Matt, hey, bro, these niggas ain't good. Bro,

1019
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like if you come mean,

1020
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: just rock with me, dog, like I'm telling you, like

1021
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: I know what you can do. Because I needed somebody

1022
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: else that could like facilitate to think with you know

1023
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: what I mean. And like when we was in college,

1024
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: we like if he want to press I'm already there,

1025
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: so we was already in sync. And I was like, man,

1026
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Dog and ship gonna work and this

1027
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: food start bawling. Dog. I swear to god, he was

1028
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 1: winning guys for us, and it was like it wasn't

1029
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: expected because of like how he came in and then

1030
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like he's starting now. He'd

1031
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: a bona fide six man. It was just like Nellie

1032
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: could almost do because of hot Matt started. He felt

1033
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: like he could do whatever he wanted with Matt. But

1034
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: Matt was successful in any fucking thing, even if he

1035
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: didn't play. He was still intrical, so you know how

1036
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: he is on the you know what I mean, just

1037
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: like and then that led to like, all right, we

1038
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: gotta play him. Then remember the Philly game. I was like, hey, bro,

1039
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: that food. How many threes you hit? Like we play Philly?

1040
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: We just thinking about it. What it was funny we

1041
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: just talked about because I was like, man, uh it

1042
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: was one of the coaches. He was like, I can't

1043
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: stand out again, cheeks. And I was like, man, yeah,

1044
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like mo chix here let god like,

1045
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: but funck him. Dog, Let's go No no, no offense, Cheks,

1046
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: but you know that mentality, Like my dog was like

1047
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: I got more points in my career to Moe Cheeks.

1048
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: So no, but my dog was righting and when he

1049
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: was right and I was like, man, I was feeding

1050
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: that food the ball he had like six threes. He

1051
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: was doing some crazy shit and I was like, that's

1052
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. And then after that, Molly was like, Yo,

1053
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna make a move, you know what I mean,

1054
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: because we gotta get some more energy. He was like,

1055
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: what you think about stack Jack? And now I was like, hell, yeah,

1056
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: this mother land on the hospital bit ship. You was

1057
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: hurt at the time though right where you hurt. They

1058
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: didn't know, they didn't know. We knew each other because

1059
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: we are the whole time. Don't break that down because

1060
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: I obviously I wasn't privy to the information at the time. Well,

1061
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: first of all, we was already talking now brother, But Stephen, Stephen, ye,

1062
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: that guy, what's up? That's what? Yeah? What was you

1063
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: just coming off? At that time? I was coming off.

1064
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: I was coming out shootout, still club, getting all my

1065
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: teeth knocked out, getting hit by a car, having plastic

1066
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: surgery for two hours with no anesthesia. I called him immediately.

1067
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: But look, this is this is one of the craziest

1068
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: phone called my turn, my boy beat They called me

1069
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: on time after everything. They're gone at my mom's FOW.

1070
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: I can't really talk, you know, I've been fighting everything.

1071
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: Soon as I lay in a bed, you know, and

1072
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 1: trying to relax room, you know, my phone rain Hello,

1073
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: It's term of b D. You're good food were on

1074
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 1: the way, Yeah I can't. I was like, oh, good, good,

1075
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: all right, we just want to turn with the background

1076
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: bad were all the way. I said, now I'm good,

1077
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: but they called to check them. But I always want

1078
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: to say that when I got traded, they didn't know that. Man,

1079
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 1: Beatie was are you know what I'm saying? Was already cool.

1080
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: They were just trading to make your team. But they

1081
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 1: didn't know our relationship because I had think. I remember

1082
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: I talked to Mars yea. I was like, all right,

1083
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: Stack the night up. I was like, all right, Stack, one,

1084
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: ain't we know you to really know? All right? You

1085
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You trump everybody? You win? You

1086
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You win, bro, and it ain't

1087
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: gonna be and it ain't gonna be another now Ann

1088
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: come through, like you, bro, it's time to stop. I

1089
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: got him, and it's crazy because that because he's still

1090
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: in Indiana. I'm like, yo, bro, you alright, alright enough bro,

1091
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: you're trying to like are you trying to die? You

1092
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, Yo, you do have a

1093
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: lot of money, and like ship on, like come on, man,

1094
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: like ship man with me. You have nothing to prove,

1095
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: you have nothing. I was like, mom, I got him.

1096
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be responsible for him, you know, like I'm

1097
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: gonna make sure. And he was like, man, I got you, fine,

1098
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: got you in any And then we wanted him trade

1099
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: and that was like a whole little ship in the background.

1100
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: Like I didn't like to trade. At first. I was mad.

1101
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: He had just got bad. Yeah, he had just got

1102
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: back to Yeah he was mad. That's why he was mad.

1103
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: I was mad. He was like bad fun man, I

1104
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: just got here. Bro. Now Jack got traded again. But

1105
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: walk us through that time like once they a rod.

1106
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: Because we didn't jail right away. I missed the first

1107
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: seven games when we got there, suspended. Yes, yeah, I

1108
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: had missed. I was suspended seven games and then I

1109
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: got hurt. Did you see this motherfucker? I said, miss

1110
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: he gonna get a rate suspended. Yeah, different because you

1111
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: didn't really you didn't really snow games from being hurt.

1112
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: You missed games for being suspended. Yeah for real, don

1113
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: for real, all the games you missed was suspending. Yeah,

1114
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: you ain't never missed. You missed seven the year we

1115
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: went like forty nine and whatever, it was forty two

1116
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: and forty two then, and it was some seven games.

1117
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: You guys suspended that ship. You know what I mean

1118
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: when you think about it, like we needed you, bro,

1119
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: it was everything, you know what I mean? It was

1120
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: everything when y'all came, it was just a new energy. Man.

1121
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: Y'all had like the energy was there, but I had

1122
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: just like kind of like all right, man, I like

1123
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: at least were good enough, you know what I mean,

1124
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: y'all motherfucker's came like rolly motherfucker's up like Peaches and

1125
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: like I'm like, oh my yeah, yeah, Peaches gag banging

1126
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: like with like a week mercy. I don't finally got

1127
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: these dudes settling in and like playing around now. Peaches

1128
00:58:53,720 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: coming to practice, so rude, fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh fun. Yeah,

1129
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: shout out my features man. That's my boy man. That's

1130
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: really like that kind of energy. That was the kind

1131
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: of energy that y'all brought to the team. And like

1132
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: I said, once we kind of figured it out a

1133
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: little bit. What was the Detroit where we kind of

1134
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 1: got it. It was Detroit that was that game because

1135
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: being scared, it was scared, it was good. It was

1136
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: just what it was. But he came in the locker

1137
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: room after that game was a Washington game. No, no,

1138
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: at the Detroit game. You came in the locker room

1139
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: because we went a game. He was like, bro, we

1140
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: can really turn And we talked about the whole playing

1141
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: right home, we can really turn this. We stayed up

1142
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: and we was talking about like yo, damn, like if

1143
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: these dudes couldn't funk with us, you know what I mean,

1144
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: Like it ain't no way, Like I mean, were just

1145
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: like figuring out an off then you uh uh And

1146
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: like we know j Rinz good for forty We know

1147
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: out any not good for forty Monte, Okay, you yelled

1148
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: the brains in the defense. He's doing all the talk

1149
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: and getting everybody the right place and then be at

1150
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: your start just starting Yeah, exactly who we need him

1151
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 1: to do? Couldn't shoot free throws? H Hey, we got

1152
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: Goose paid though, I mean you really got He should

1153
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: have bought me a house, and ye, I said, bro,

1154
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: if I get you paid, just bought me some property

1155
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: and your country doc. I don't. I'm one of vacation house.

1156
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: Let me tell you one thing about Goose. He wasn't

1157
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: just the best player, but he catches everything the best hands.

1158
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: And I don't care where you throw the past to him,

1159
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: he catching that best hands. He and he was so

1160
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: basketball intelligent and he just knew where to be. I

1161
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: remember with Goose Man like I ain't gonna tell you

1162
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: why he got the name. I was just thinking that.

1163
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: I just think, but you can tell he's saying the

1164
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: league long. But he was young, bro. He came to

1165
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: the team, Yeah, just turned nineteen, and they had him

1166
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: out partying the Euros and ship your opians party. And

1167
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: then I caught him in the club because yeah, but

1168
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: it's that was But I was in the club and

1169
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: he was like you know, b and I jammed him

1170
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: up real quick because I knew I couldn't. I was like, hey, bro,

1171
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to see this ship. You should be

1172
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: starting next year. You should be don out out of that.

1173
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: I was like, you can have your fun right now,

1174
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: but when you come back next year, I'm not I'm

1175
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: not having none of this ship. You got a chance

1176
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: to like fun. These dudes, these dudes are terrible, you

1177
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like they're not gonna be here.

1178
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: You can be here, bro, don't get caught up in

1179
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: that ship. You feel what I'm saying. Funk with me,

1180
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: and I just remember I I just like jammed him

1181
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: up because I felt like that kid could be special,

1182
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And when you watch like

1183
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: what he was for us, he was like like we

1184
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: could he could, We could put him on Tim Duncan

1185
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: and not double ye. Tim Duncan was gonna kill me,

1186
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. What he was the couple

1187
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: of things that he would do right. You don't have

1188
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: to be in rotations now, Montean Parker. Either I got

1189
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: you Nobli, you got Jan Nobli and now we're wearing dude,

1190
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And he played quarterback and

1191
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: so Dial didn't have no advantage, you know what I mean.

1192
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: So it was like Goose was like that type of

1193
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: dude that was just a complimented him well though, and

1194
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: Al was the perfect problem with Al was Alan Nelly

1195
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: riff about Alt playing the five. I didn't feel like

1196
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: he was and and and al didn't want to be

1197
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,919
Speaker 1: a out, didn't want to be the five. And it

1198
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: wasn't so much of hit Like what like, do remember

1199
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: that y'all main game? Like that motherfucker was like it

1200
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: was just taking so much away from his off. After

1201
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: that game he played, he set out about two weeks

1202
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: after that game too, he played he fronted the ship

1203
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: out of y'all. Man, he had a hell of he

1204
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: had a hell of a game and we needed out

1205
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: of be more like the j Rich you know what

1206
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: I mean. But like I understood where he was like

1207
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: playing the five because he just had to do he consistently.

1208
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: But that was his minute five. If you played the fo,

1209
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: I played the four. You know what I'm saying. Was

1210
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: going with the small ship. So we hit our run.

1211
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: What do we were in twenty We went eighteen out

1212
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 1: of the last eighteen at the last twenty three games

1213
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: or something like that. I got kicked out the last

1214
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: game of the season. And now they're like, bro okay,

1215
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: you can get kicked out, but remember because we won

1216
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: the last game in Portland. Yeah, to make the playoffs

1217
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 1: in that game. You didn't play right. I kicked out,

1218
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: Remember they clipped me, and Nearly came to like, look,

1219
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: don't get suspended. Yeah, you get kicked out, but don't

1220
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: get suspended. So I got kicked out and I left

1221
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: it alone. He came grabbing, and I left it alone.

1222
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: It is the most It is the cleanest kick I've

1223
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: ever had. I made sure I got kicked out, but

1224
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: I left it alone. You've never seen me do that,

1225
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:54,439
Speaker 1: because Nearly told me what happened. Huh you finished there

1226
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: the last game? And then remember Clippers had lost to somebody. Yeah,

1227
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: I was yeah, the same night. So you know, I've

1228
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: been like researching all that ship. I've been watching all

1229
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: the clips and I've been pulling clips from the announcements

1230
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: and the announcers and like all the ship that they

1231
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: were saying, like the dudes who was announcing the Clipper game,

1232
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: but they were saying about us, what what what our

1233
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: announcers of office Gerald and Jim Barnett what they were saying.

1234
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: So it was almost like it was like this fucking

1235
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: you know, this whatever, this hour glass of time taking away.

1236
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: And I remember Dallas beat the Clippers. Remember they sat

1237
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: out against stuff and then they sat out against us,

1238
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: but it was it was I feel like they had

1239
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: another game in between where they played again you know

1240
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: what I mean, the blood in the water, and so

1241
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: we kind of took that ship in disrespect. I remember,

1242
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: I was sucking. We were we were hot that they

1243
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: didn't want to like, like, y'all give us the fair fight.

1244
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: Remember he was like, yo, we can't get the fair fight.

1245
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: Ya don't want to put us out? Now put us

1246
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: out our miss and you know what it was after

1247
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: if he knew what it was. Once we got in

1248
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: the playoffs, I've never seen Nellie move that fast in

1249
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: my life. He was like, look, hey, that was his championship.

1250
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: He just wanted to beat out of him one time too,

1251
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: because we were talking about what happened in the second way,

1252
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: It's like, let me checked out second round, bro, you

1253
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: know he checked out. We got our drug tests. He

1254
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: the first one in the time of giving Utah. He no,

1255
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: I know he checked out because he kept playing your

1256
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: mement on core and we didn't. It was like and

1257
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: then Stack and then then stacking. Nellie started getting into

1258
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: it because Stack, like, man, I ain't known. It was

1259
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: no way that I can help my team offensively and

1260
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: guard him and Boozer. It was no way we had

1261
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: the best match up with Al versus Boozer, and we

1262
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: didn't take advantage of that. And nobody knew that Al

1263
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: had us, you know what I mean, like like we're

1264
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 1: supposed to be, like the coach is supposed to be

1265
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: like yo, Al Boozer does not want to Funk had

1266
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: a career destroying Yeah, you know what I mean. And

1267
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: we didn't know that at the time, but it was

1268
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: everybody at that point was just goddamn, just like, man,

1269
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: I can't play the fire I'm playing. But we still

1270
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: had the two games. Still, we still had them. They

1271
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: called a bullshit as a second violation. Yeah, yeah, that

1272
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: that was that was really the one. The free throws two,

1273
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: but the eight seconds that was some bulls. Some bush

1274
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: was calling the niggers. They had pictures of Jack up

1275
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,959
Speaker 1: in the in the jail police in the life, jail suit,

1276
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: j carboard cutout. Hey, god, that was our core honors

1277
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: like Hotel Davis. Yeah, everybody remember, yeah maybe that little

1278
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: white girls. Look this little white girl. She was like,

1279
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: fuck you, Baron Davis, Like damn might to shoot a

1280
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: free through because we smoked the whole hotel. I had

1281
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: the whole city high time. I remember when we got

1282
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: to Utah. I mean, we can talk about the basketball ship,

1283
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: but I think the off the court ship. We got

1284
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: to Utah. Remember Nelly put all of us right next

1285
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: to each other on the same floor with the gym

1286
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: fan at the end of the hall because he already

1287
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:15,959
Speaker 1: knew what it was. But like, what kind of coach

1288
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: does that though? Because yeah, it was going down heavily

1289
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: down every ship. When was that we couldn't smoke with

1290
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: and everybody was like we had like a little was

1291
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: that Miami where we had like a mini like uh yeah.

1292
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: Came to practice the next day in the same close

1293
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: we landed. We land at twelve, We got practice at nine.

1294
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: We get back to the hotel by s. Everybody get

1295
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: on the bus with all their clothes on. We get

1296
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: to shoot around. Then they come out on the court.

1297
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: Nobody woman, everybody on the sideline. He said, man, bring

1298
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: it in, get back on the bus and we better

1299
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: win by thirty. And we showed hell one by thirty

1300
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: went out to mind when our mind to beat we was,

1301
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: we was chilling like this smoking us allus feeding for

1302
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: a smoke. God damn. I was like, no, man, we

1303
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 1: are here smoking dejarms and cigars. I was like ship.

1304
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: It felt like we were. It felt like we was

1305
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: on some of vacation for two days. I was walking

1306
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: on the bea smoking cigars, Like, man, you get another

1307
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: pack of cigarettes, like smoking or goddamn cigarettes black and

1308
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: miles black dejarms. What was the other one? Uh? What

1309
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 1: was the other ones? In the little tin can? Remember

1310
01:08:55,640 --> 01:09:00,560
Speaker 1: we had them a little or whatever. So that was

1311
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: one thing about that team. That team like all rocked

1312
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: together off the court. He was all rocking together the

1313
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: whole everybody. I forgot about them, the drums dog, I

1314
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 1: forgot about this. What about the story when Baron came

1315
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: in his uh, in his cowboy outfit, remember that, Jack.

1316
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let you know I'm showing up. I'm

1317
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: dressing up tonight. Just be prepared. So I'm like, all right, cool, dude,

1318
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: ain't but I know how you do. So I didn't.

1319
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: Once they Once he gave me the word, I spread

1320
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: the word to everybody. Prepared. Everybody on the team, get

1321
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: here early. Baron putting on the show. He comes in

1322
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 1: the locker room, cowboy hat, cowboys shirt, broke boots, the

1323
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: whole sine and just standing in the middle locker room

1324
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 1: and looking around to everybody. But what was what was

1325
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: behind that though? What was the reason you didn't have

1326
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 1: to read in the fashion game of Jack? You know

1327
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: what I mean? You know, yeah, you know, I think

1328
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: it was in Texas? Was we're in Texas? That was

1329
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:03,719
Speaker 1: a g Oh just came back from barely. I got something,

1330
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, I got some ship from San Antonio. Want

1331
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: the floss? Could wait to break that outfit out? Remember

1332
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:13,600
Speaker 1: we got it. I got in trouble from wearing a

1333
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: bullet for door in the playoffs. They was talking about

1334
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 1: suspending me. I remember that. I remember that M six.

1335
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: That's right. I was trying to suspend this damn there

1336
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 1: every game, each other down, dog sninging, Jack run out,

1337
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: Matt padding down? Are you clearing? Like you clear the flight?

1338
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 1: Everybody waiting for him to get out of jail because

1339
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: you got things like we're making this rus so we're

1340
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: just trying to have fun. We didn't think that big

1341
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: of a deal until David Stirn saw that ship and

1342
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: they told us to stop, like three or four TV

1343
01:10:55,680 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: and just him. He the one that stopped because he

1344
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: got the point where I wouldn't even put my hands

1345
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: and I'm just running the chest. But he's just still

1346
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: his ass. Bro. He would when we can get away

1347
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: with what about Baron when you lived in Frisco playing

1348
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: playing your guitar with shirt off, play your guitar for

1349
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 1: the for other people coming out the bar to D'Angelo,

1350
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, get the coustic, good car,

1351
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 1: your shirt off, take my shirt off, sit on the

1352
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: ledge and be like, maybe I thought it was me.

1353
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: It was that Baron Davids, that Baron Davis. Damn, I

1354
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 1: ain't know he can play him in there. I'm in

1355
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: the baby oil. That's how bar we had baby or No,

1356
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: I really know what kind of the best ones to

1357
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,759
Speaker 1: explain this? Can you please explain bt pregame routween which

1358
01:11:52,760 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: one the shot to take? When you say there you go,

1359
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: there go, there you go. It's warm my shooting around warm.

1360
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 1: There's no shot that you were shot in the regular day.

1361
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 1: But he practiced all the weirdest shots. So we're messing

1362
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: with him the whole year, and next thing you know,

1363
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: he shooting one of the shots in the game. He

1364
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 1: see what you did it on accident though, Yeah, he

1365
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 1: used to be like there you go. He got there

1366
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 1: you go, and I'll just be over there like jump

1367
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: inside the off hand, but we got footage of it.

1368
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: We gotta Yeah, that ship was legendary. So we're gonna

1369
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 1: do this. We believe dr absolutely Bro got to They

1370
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: need to hear. It can be too much today, but

1371
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: it's fun. There's so much more. We just all sat

1372
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,719
Speaker 1: down the ruining Storm. We gotta do it. It's coming show.

1373
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, it definitely needs to be told.

1374
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like that the Bay Area, what

1375
01:12:55,720 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: the Bay Area was when it was becoming, you know

1376
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: what I mean, and like almost what it is now

1377
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: because it's way different, but it's more commercial. You know,

1378
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: it's like not commercial, but it's open. Like the bay

1379
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: is so authentic that it's like that ship pop, you

1380
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And like when we was on

1381
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 1: TV and like fucking we believe fans in China, you

1382
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like Oakland was a destination, the

1383
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: Bay Area became like a destination. Remember other dudes was

1384
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 1: in our locker room. Motherfucker's was like yo, I want

1385
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: to go play, and so like I feel like it's

1386
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: like our story the Bay story, the music, you know

1387
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:37,799
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like I was talking to Mr fab

1388
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: He was there every game, rest the piece, he was

1389
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: there every game, and he was over there haggling everybody else,

1390
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, right off the left of

1391
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: the center court, almost close to their bench. So he

1392
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 1: was talking to everybody. He was a part of that

1393
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: runs in the streets too heavy, Yes, in the hood

1394
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: on both sides of the bridge. Yeah, was. And I

1395
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 1: feel like we kind of brought the Bay Area together.

1396
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: What I realized was Oakland and San Francisco was really

1397
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: fucking with each other. Shout out Steazy, you know what

1398
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: I mean. Shout out the hommies from Fillmore, the hummies

1399
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: from Oakland, from East Oakland, West Oakland, all them dudes.

1400
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: It's kind of like they fucked with us, you know

1401
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. They really was, like, Yo, we rock

1402
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: with y'all. They took care of us, you know what

1403
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 1: I mean. They let us be, you know, they like, yeah,

1404
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 1: the year they let us be. They let us be

1405
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 1: who we were. They gave us freedom, you know what

1406
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: I mean. Back to the Asian Ship, bro, they funk

1407
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: with us. Super Super Super Super Games Club Friends, Dinners,

1408
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 1: all that ship, you know what I mean. It's like

1409
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 1: like I got I got my nieces married to an

1410
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: Asian you know what I mean. Wasn't the one out

1411
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 1: Asian fans that started to come on. Man, it was

1412
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 1: like it was like a fucking It was just like

1413
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 1: a thing when nobody tripping yo, you know what I mean,

1414
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 1: And like we was all fucking with each other. So

1415
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: that's why I feel like all the ships that you're doing,

1416
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: all the ship you doing speaking on cultures, speaking to

1417
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: you know, equality and inclusion and ship like that, It's

1418
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: like that's what this we believe doc is, you know

1419
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like, yeah, we went and we

1420
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: hoped and we did win the championship, but we did

1421
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: some other ship and we're still doing ship, you know

1422
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it's like all still a part

1423
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: of this, you know, greater aligne focus you feel them

1424
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: saying absolutely bit so we believe season we're losing the

1425
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 1: second round. Next year we come back and win more

1426
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: games with miss the playoffs and then your contract is up.

1427
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: You get it. You wanted to stay. I did get it.

1428
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: Head this all got in bandits came in the locker room,

1429
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 1: said Jack, I didn't get it. I didn't get they

1430
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: were and for what I understand, the numbers worked too

1431
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 1: far off. They just didn't want to give it to you.

1432
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:23,440
Speaker 1: Fucking dumbass, dumbass, fucking Bobby Rob just the dumbest motherfucker

1433
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 1: in the world. Because it was just like, yo, Bro,

1434
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: we got a killer team, were winning. I told you

1435
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 1: before I got here, give me three years and I'm

1436
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 1: gonna turn this ship around. But it's dead. You asked me.

1437
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 1: I told you. I said three or four years, we're

1438
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: gonna be straight were people don't want to come here,

1439
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have life. I did it in three

1440
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:48,799
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We're coming off the playoffs.

1441
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: We got promised, man, pay me my money, bro. Matter

1442
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: of fact, how can we work this ship out? Because

1443
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 1: I know Mante gotta come. We gotta keep jack aula

1444
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: free agent, you know what I mean. We gotta pay Matt.

1445
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: You know. I was all telling you, like, man, I

1446
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: was trying to get Matt more money for the Warriors,

1447
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I was just like, Yo,

1448
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: this is how this ship needs to go, you know

1449
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And then it was just like my

1450
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: fucker was just posture and talking about, oh, you've been hurt,

1451
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,799
Speaker 1: we need you to play, you know, a full season

1452
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 1: and all that, and I was like, what what is

1453
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: that gonna do? You know what I'm saying, And so

1454
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: that's when I came out and I was like, damn,

1455
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,799
Speaker 1: this a cold guy. And you gotta remember I'm still

1456
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 1: like my own agent. And you played the next year, right,

1457
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: oh oh nine season? You played all every single game

1458
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 1: I played. I always say I played eighty one and

1459
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 1: a half. Remember they suspended me for one game. I

1460
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 1: don't know why for the half of me and play

1461
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 1: me the hole half in Phoenix? Oh that's right? For

1462
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: what because they can do that because they knew, so

1463
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 1: they can. Basically, I don't know, bro. I just feel

1464
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: like it was some back in, some back channeling ship

1465
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 1: and if you see all, that ship just kind of

1466
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: fell apart, you know what I mean, Because we saw that.

1467
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 1: So we talked. We had Gilbert yesterday and we talked

1468
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: to the other side because he said, that's what kind

1469
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 1: of got him going was they knew that you were

1470
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 1: leaving Golden State and then the Golden State was offering

1471
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 1: him the max. What do you say, a five million

1472
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 1: dollar house of the helicopter. They offered Gilbert aren it's

1473
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 1: a hundred and six millions and offered me thirty no guaranteed.

1474
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't I leave? Right you? It sucked us up

1475
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 1: there like we were sucked up, and it was crazy

1476
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 1: because and then they paid Corey mcgetty fifty, Ronnie tore

1477
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 1: Off eighteen, and whoever else was two more people. So

1478
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: like you basically gave it, you still have. You gave

1479
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 1: them money away. But shout out to my homies because

1480
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: off I always like for you. Oh they never got paid.

1481
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 1: I wouldn't got some of that. When they trained everybody,

1482
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 1: I said, your deal with Nellie right, No with Bobby,

1483
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 1: But when they told him, look walking to about and yeah,

1484
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: it's like you know they It goes to show you

1485
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: that one you're undervalue, you're always underappreciate it, right, and

1486
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: you work for them. And it wasn't about winning. It

1487
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,799
Speaker 1: was I'm gonna tell you how how all this ship happened?

1488
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 1: Remember the playoff checks? Mm hmm. Remember people in the

1489
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 1: Warriors executive office was mad because they didn't they weren't

1490
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: getting our playoff check yep, yep, and everybody, and it

1491
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: started creating all these riffs because they got mad because

1492
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 1: we wanted to give our money to eat Yep Tom,

1493
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: Big John, Gebo, all the people who was winning with

1494
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: the assistant training to eat Tom. At the time that

1495
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 1: we had a little everybody was like, you know, we

1496
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: want to take care of everybody. And then the higher

1497
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: upwards was like, yeah, we don't get no playoff check.

1498
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: It's like it was like remember Jay Rich was like, man,

1499
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: I don't even want my check. I'm getting yeah, yeah,

1500
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 1: And I just started to check and man, motherfuckers was

1501
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: looking like, oh, that's fucked up. And then I just

1502
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 1: started a riff and you show and it showed like

1503
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 1: the greed. I remember sitting back and I was like, man,

1504
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: he's so greaty motherfucker. Nobody worked harder than in that organization,

1505
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: but they can you know. And it all came back

1506
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 1: to me like, Yo, what did everybody you know? It's

1507
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: like old bro Jay Rich did that. That's what he

1508
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 1: wanted to I had to explain to everybody, and at

1509
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 1: that point it was just like, man, these people are

1510
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: not they don't get it. They don't get it. And

1511
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: then the owner he had come out with some tax

1512
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 1: problems and like one million bucks, so it was like,

1513
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 1: that's why the Warriors changed hands. I wish I could

1514
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 1: have got some skin into that though. Damn. So you're

1515
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 1: off to the Clippers, going home. But though at the

1516
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: same time some challenges you went Donald Sterling bump as

1517
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: heavily talked to us about your experience with them, because

1518
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 1: you thought he was gonna come with Elton Brand. Elon

1519
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 1: Brand needs up leaving the free agency. Yeah, Elm Brand

1520
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 1: a sucker to Fucky, but I'm cool with him now.

1521
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I mean he always been a good dude.

1522
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 1: It's just his agent. Just I mean, I can't even

1523
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 1: father to do for taking money, taking more money, but

1524
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: you lie to me, you meant, and I was like, yeo,

1525
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: we're doing this. We figured out how to make the

1526
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: money work, and they got took less to make your

1527
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 1: money work, you know what I mean. And so you

1528
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,640
Speaker 1: let David folks kind of come in and like, you know,

1529
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 1: come here, boy. Don't you know what I mean? Kind

1530
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 1: of come here? Boyd you you know what I mean?

1531
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 1: I don't come here, boy, hey man onhing they you

1532
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: donna do tweak about it. Facts is facts. And so

1533
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: when I did that, I was already like god, damn,

1534
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 1: so once the el Brand because I call Elmon Brand.

1535
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 1: Think this is all the way up to the deadline. Man,

1536
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: this niked talking every day. Bro. He was like, all right, man,

1537
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 1: as soon as you saw it, I'm gonna saw. I

1538
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I'm about to commit. Bum I commit,

1539
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: And I called that nigga. He was like, oh, bro,

1540
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm about to go out of town. So I couldn't

1541
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: even catch him. So I'm like, now I've committed. And

1542
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 1: then that's when the Warriors did to like Gilbert ship

1543
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 1: and like you know what I'm saying. But and then

1544
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: I went to set with Nelly and Nelly was like, Yo,

1545
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna wanna fucking play for that dude. He

1546
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 1: was like, just come on back, you know what I mean.

1547
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: We'll see if we can get you the money, you

1548
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I was like, look, Coach, I'm

1549
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 1: kind of like at this point, I'm done. Like I'd

1550
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: rather go that la, whatever I get. I just want

1551
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: to build my ship up at home, you know what

1552
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 1: I mean. If I can do this for the Clippers

1553
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: that I did here, like man, I'll be a living legend,

1554
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He was like, all right,

1555
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm telling you ain't gonna play for that dude, ain't

1556
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 1: he won line? So you had a chance to get

1557
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 1: it right and didn't make it right. And no, they

1558
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: weren't gonna get it right when I went back, because

1559
01:22:58,080 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: that's because I was about to say no, I want

1560
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,680
Speaker 1: I went back. It was still non guarantee. They was.

1561
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 1: They was basically saying, we're not gonna guarantee money because

1562
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 1: you're injury prone. Okay, because I thought you had I

1563
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 1: thought you said that you had a chance to go

1564
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 1: back and get them. They offered Gilbert Arenas one off six.

1565
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 1: So when Nellie talked to me, they were not they

1566
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 1: were gonna offer me like dollars. He like, I take

1567
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 1: the fucking I'm gonna take this, you know. So he

1568
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: was still low. He wasn't really trying to make it right.

1569
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:28,640
Speaker 1: He was just trying to get you there. And at

1570
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 1: that point, like Nellie didn't. I don't know what kind

1571
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 1: of power Nellie had, but Bobby Rowle, it just wasn't

1572
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 1: gonna happen. And that's how Bobby Rowl and Chris Mullen

1573
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: and all everybody started falling out. Because Chris mull remember

1574
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 1: he came to me, it was like yo, bro, I

1575
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 1: got you. When we was in Hawaii. It was in Hawaii.

1576
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 1: He was like, yo, bro, I got you, I got you.

1577
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna get this right. So everybody thought I was

1578
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 1: gonna get paid in Hawaii. And that's when I came back.

1579
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 1: When we came back home, I was like, I didn't

1580
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: get it, you know what I mean, like, fucking let's

1581
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 1: go who mm hmmm mm. So you get to the Clippers, uh,

1582
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 1: young Blake Griffin, you kind of start really the the

1583
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:11,839
Speaker 1: Lob City era for there with you. What was that experience?

1584
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 1: Like talk about the basketball experience, but then also talk

1585
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 1: about because I remember playing one time against you and

1586
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: how fucked up Sterling was and you man, I've been

1587
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: He's been doing this this and not to me to

1588
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,639
Speaker 1: talk about the basketball and talk about the Sterling ship. Yeah,

1589
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Sterling is Sterling. Lucky. I didn't

1590
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 1: do something crazy to him. Got every opportunity too. And

1591
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: so I was like at a point where I was like,

1592
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 1: maybe this is something guy, I want me to deal with,

1593
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I had never really dealt with.

1594
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: I won't even call it racism, bro. It was like

1595
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 1: he was a hate everybody is you know what I'm saying.

1596
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 1: And he was prejudiced and he didn't give a funk

1597
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:55,600
Speaker 1: about people, you know what I mean. And I was

1598
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 1: his highest paid employee at the time, and he would

1599
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 1: talk to to everyone but me, and I remember telling

1600
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: him one time. I said. He was like, you just

1601
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 1: don't kid it. You just don't kid it due you.

1602
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,919
Speaker 1: I said, no, you don't get it. Your highest paid employee,

1603
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: you have yet to talk to me, so I don't

1604
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 1: give a funk what you do. He was like, I

1605
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 1: walked off. I'm the highest person you've ever paid. Bro,

1606
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 1: I ain't no fucking dummy, you know what I mean.

1607
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 1: And so it was just a lot of like he

1608
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: was upset that I was the highest paid. Also like

1609
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm playing for done Levy and so Done Leaving wants control,

1610
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And he wants Chris Caman

1611
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 1: to be the guy because he wants to lean in

1612
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 1: towards the big guys, you know. And fuck Chris Kaman,

1613
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 1: sorry as fuck. I mean, he's talented, but he's sorry. Right,

1614
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,559
Speaker 1: we ain't gonna window games throwing about it. Chris came right,

1615
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 1: but and then he went and then he was like

1616
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 1: post and like his ship was ice So if somebody

1617
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 1: was ice on and the cooking, that's who we're going with.

1618
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeoh, it's a long ass fucking gang.

1619
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 1: Can we get some transition buckets? You know? It's like

1620
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:11,600
Speaker 1: every shot felt like you were under a microscope, or

1621
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 1: you felt like you were in in a structure, you

1622
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 1: know what I mean. That you couldn't pay. And I

1623
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 1: remember my second year, Dean Demopolis, he was like, yo, bro,

1624
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 1: your fucking Picasso, Like whatever box they give you, just

1625
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 1: go paint. And then that was like the next year,

1626
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 1: if you saw it, I think that Chris came and

1627
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 1: made the All Star. But the next year is like

1628
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: because Blake got hurt. The next year, I was just

1629
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 1: like doing whatever I wanted. The third year, I come

1630
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: in and hurt. That's when that's when Blake take off.

1631
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 1: And then when I come in playing with Blake, I

1632
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: was still hurt. But like for those months at month,

1633
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 1: it was like nobody could funk with us, bro, you

1634
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I would just slang like

1635
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 1: I give the ball out from how you know, half court,

1636
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 1: and so that motherfucker will blank him. And DeAndre Wou

1637
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:03,440
Speaker 1: was bamming and it was just like we needed better players,

1638
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, around us to round it out.

1639
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 1: But it it started to feel like promise. And that

1640
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: was Vinny del Negro and then Vinnie the Vinde the

1641
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 1: Snake I call him, and so vinnydale Negro wasn't doing

1642
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 1: nothing but lying, you know what I mean. And then

1643
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: that's when I got traded to Cleveland. But they was

1644
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 1: like I was. I was the racist ship, bro. Like

1645
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:27,719
Speaker 1: every day I come into the Clipper facility, Bro, people

1646
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: be crying and ship to lose my job. He cuts

1647
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 1: me out like balling. I'm like, man, fuck him, it's

1648
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,639
Speaker 1: about us. So I had to like go in there

1649
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 1: and like that ship was crazy because it's like, uh

1650
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 1: now now, um Golden State was dead Clippers, that's just

1651
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 1: fucked up, bro. That is like the dude using the media.

1652
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 1: You used the Clippers as his marketing tool. Everybody on

1653
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 1: the Clippers life for Mike Dunlevy is the coach in

1654
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 1: the GM. So I remember we used to make jokes like, man,

1655
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,679
Speaker 1: motherfucker's got better be quiet. Motherfucker's got cameras around here.

1656
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 1: And I used to be like, I don't give a

1657
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 1: funk about no cameras and be quiet, like you know

1658
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: what I mean. And so it became like a culture

1659
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 1: of snitching right to kind of appease him, you know

1660
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:20,639
Speaker 1: what I mean. But he didn't give a ship about

1661
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 1: the team. It was just a trinket, right, And so

1662
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 1: you were just I had some black dude, you know

1663
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 1: what I mean. I watched some parade blake through the

1664
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 1: fucking one of his parties, one of you know, one

1665
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 1: of his holiday parties, and Vinnie done that girl sat

1666
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 1: there and watched and I was like, man, fuck that,

1667
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I ain't I it was

1668
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 1: just hard for me to like play like that, you

1669
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And it's like I'm here at home,

1670
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 1: like is this what my career is coming to? Like

1671
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: God damn dog, Like what the fund did I do

1672
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: to play for in this type of ship? It's some

1673
01:28:56,840 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 1: real bullshit. So you go to clear brief stint theory.

1674
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 1: It's New York after that. York was after that. So

1675
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 1: you find your foot and you're playing well. Then you

1676
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 1: have one of the most devastating knee injuries I've ever seen.

1677
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: Take us back to that time, what were what was

1678
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 1: your immediate thought? Was it get back now I started

1679
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 1: laughing at that point after that. I mean, I they

1680
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 1: got slid in front of Swiss Beats and the Lisa

1681
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: Kings and Ship, two of my favorite artists. My ship

1682
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 1: over here. I'm like looking at them they like and

1683
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:33,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, man, ain't this a bit you know

1684
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like Okay, I just started laughing and

1685
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 1: it was just like damn. I was like, put that

1686
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 1: ship in. They put it in. And then at that

1687
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 1: point it was just like I just okayd my knee

1688
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 1: cap to my uh A c L M C L

1689
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 1: everything everything Bro, everything was gone. Bro. It was gone,

1690
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:00,040
Speaker 1: like my knee at bait, like my knee cap. It

1691
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,599
Speaker 1: was like damn near I think it was over here

1692
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 1: m hm. And so I'm sitting on the floor like

1693
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: put that ship in bow. They put it in, and

1694
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 1: I was just like they carried me off on the

1695
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:13,679
Speaker 1: stretcher and I was like, damn, dun. I never thought

1696
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 1: I leave an arena understanding renovation in the stretcher, you

1697
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And after that it was just

1698
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 1: like man, fuck it. And I think for me like

1699
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 1: when I started like just playing and even playing in

1700
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 1: the D League and all that, like just coming back.

1701
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 1: It was just like me trying to find myself again

1702
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 1: through basketball. I want to really trip it on the

1703
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 1: NBA because at some point I always envisioned myself never

1704
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 1: being the veteran dude at the end of the bench

1705
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:47,720
Speaker 1: taking money, you know what I mean, from some young

1706
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 1: dude that's coming in that could have promise, you know

1707
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it was always meant for me

1708
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 1: to just like, oh, I'm out, you know what I'm saying,

1709
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,719
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to end up just like holding

1710
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: on on, you know what I'm saying. In that year

1711
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 1: in New York, I walked in and my back was

1712
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 1: sucked up, so they were like, yeah, we'll take a

1713
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,680
Speaker 1: chance on you, you know what I mean. I was like,

1714
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 1: all right, cool, And then next thing you know, I'm

1715
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:17,639
Speaker 1: playing Jeremy Lynn gets hurt and he's supposed to come

1716
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 1: back height healthy, and he's like, no, I ain't coming

1717
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 1: back because he didn't want to suck up, you know,

1718
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: his little insanity because he knew I was gonna get paid.

1719
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 1: So I just, you know, I felt like that was

1720
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 1: like low key, like kind of coward, you know what

1721
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 1: I mean, because I'm sucking holding it down and I'm

1722
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: playing like thirty minutes, forty minutes, I'm getting shots like

1723
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: my backet. So it was just like it was bound

1724
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 1: to happen, and I never forget it was in the playoffs.

1725
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 1: I tell Shump because he tours the CEE the game

1726
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 1: before and I was like, man, don't worry about it.

1727
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 1: Don finally found my ship, my magic dog. I'm gonna

1728
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 1: work out with you every day. You know what I mean,

1729
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 1: like ship, So take a month off. And then I

1730
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 1: heard my ship. And then I was like, all right, well, ship,

1731
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:03,200
Speaker 1: time to go write the movies. Dude, you know what

1732
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 1: I mean. Hurt one thing about you though, You've always

1733
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 1: had your mind in business, even back in college. So

1734
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 1: the ones you've said is that that transition switch hit

1735
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:15,640
Speaker 1: for you. You were ready to hit that probably t

1736
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 1: folks better than anybody, um better than you know, better

1737
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 1: than both athletes and talked to us, talk to us

1738
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 1: where that mindset came from? The business mindset? Man? Just

1739
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:35,640
Speaker 1: uh being curious. I think that comes from just like

1740
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: being curious, afraid to fail. Like when they said, um,

1741
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:48,760
Speaker 1: I was like, athletes, go bro. I was like, that

1742
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:52,559
Speaker 1: scared you scared you ship out of me? M You

1743
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and so I wanted to know

1744
01:32:56,000 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 1: where every dollar was that I spent, got raw, got cheated, misinvested,

1745
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 1: over invested, bad deal, do you know what I mean?

1746
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 1: Like at least I know because I just don't believe

1747
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:12,679
Speaker 1: it ship, you know what I mean? And so at

1748
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:15,760
Speaker 1: every moment it was more so like a fear. But

1749
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:20,760
Speaker 1: that fear made me just like hold up, do the

1750
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:23,599
Speaker 1: research and then be like fucking dog, like I'm not

1751
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 1: gonna I'm probably not gonna ever be as great as

1752
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 1: I need to be or have the legacy that I

1753
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 1: need to be. But you know, fuck it, I'm gonna

1754
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,680
Speaker 1: walk these steps. I'm gonna miss out on cash, I'm

1755
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 1: gonna miss out on ship. But if I walk to

1756
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 1: walk that, I want to walk down when it's time

1757
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 1: to like tell my story hopefully like the people are

1758
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:46,680
Speaker 1: in line that I funk with to do that, you

1759
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Talk a little bit about you.

1760
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 1: You touched on it earlier, But how did the actual

1761
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:53,639
Speaker 1: vitamin water situation come because you were a big piece

1762
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: of that that I don't think a lot of people know. Yeah,

1763
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 1: So I was I was do up, you know, I

1764
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 1: just got the max, So I was do up for

1765
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 1: sneaker deal and uh and like a beverage deal or whatnot.

1766
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 1: And I think it was Sprite and my boy was

1767
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 1: that sprite and I was. He was like, yeah, I'm

1768
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 1: gonna get your deal done, and then I'm leaving. I'm

1769
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:13,680
Speaker 1: just letting you know, I ain't gonna be working with you.

1770
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna be working with somebody else. Haven't brought somebody else?

1771
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 1: And I would be leaving. I'm like, where the fun

1772
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 1: you're going. It's like going to a company called Vitamin Water.

1773
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, Vitamin Water. Hell, no, dog, that

1774
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 1: ship nasty. Rico be drinking that ship and that shaid

1775
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,600
Speaker 1: me give me diarrhea at his workouts, you know what

1776
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 1: I mean. Don't do that ship, bro, that shi it

1777
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:37,560
Speaker 1: ain't cool. He was like, nah, they're great founders and

1778
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 1: great company. Was like it's a startup, so they learning.

1779
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 1: They switching the flavoring. And I was like, but Rico

1780
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 1: love that ship. And Rico used to always drink Vitamin

1781
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 1: Waters's and so I was like, damn Vitamin Water, Like

1782
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 1: that's kind of like the wave of the future, you

1783
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's like the future. Dog like

1784
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 1: vitamin and water. Thinking if I can fucking you know,

1785
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 1: get the taste right, you know, I like, the ship

1786
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 1: can sit on my stomach. I'm cool. And so he

1787
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:10,759
Speaker 1: was like, no, they're fixing the They're fixing the taste.

1788
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, if you leave in sprite,

1789
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:15,639
Speaker 1: I'm going on which m hmm. I want to learn

1790
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 1: that ship teach me, Like, let me work for you.

1791
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:21,040
Speaker 1: He was like, we can't afford you. I was like, man,

1792
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 1: you can afford me. Like I don't need the money,

1793
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:25,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like fucking give me the

1794
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 1: money in equity or something like how much money. He

1795
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 1: was like, man, get that ship to me and and

1796
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 1: stop just put it. But I don't even don't even

1797
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 1: give me no cash a matter of fact, let me

1798
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 1: get this. What if I get on TV? What if

1799
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 1: I do this? What if I do this? And then

1800
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:41,720
Speaker 1: I just started like thinking of ship because at the

1801
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 1: same time I was doing my Rebok deal now my

1802
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 1: Rebok deal, and I had plane. I was the first

1803
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,719
Speaker 1: first dude to negotiate the plane. I was the first

1804
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: dude to negotiate a car. I was one of the

1805
01:35:54,320 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 1: first dudes to negotiate money to foundation and a you right,

1806
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 1: So it was like a double hit and the merchandise,

1807
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 1: which was a triple hit. I negotiated, I get a

1808
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: jersey sign, but I get every every jersey they make.

1809
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 1: I get like up to five of those jerseys. Do

1810
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 1: mass I should have kept them shipped. So and I

1811
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 1: used to get all the players after the thing sign

1812
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 1: New Jersey. So it was just all that vacation. I like,

1813
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 1: my deal was so like incentive heavy, and it was

1814
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:29,640
Speaker 1: like less cash because what I figured out was rappers

1815
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 1: used the record label money to pay for their lifestyle.

1816
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, I just used rebox

1817
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 1: to pay for my lifestyle. I got my NBA contract

1818
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 1: as my nest egg, you know what I mean. So

1819
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 1: like put more money into all the goofy ships that

1820
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 1: I need, right so I can have a plane, you

1821
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and ship like that. But then

1822
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 1: the Vitamin water thing is like I don't even want

1823
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 1: no money, just give me the stop. And then I

1824
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:57,599
Speaker 1: started watching this company. You just could start like growing

1825
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 1: and went from the bodega like was at the w

1826
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:03,800
Speaker 1: Then it was like the bodega. Then it was with

1827
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 1: the Warriors. I would leave because they would have these

1828
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 1: regional meetings, so I would have to go and meet

1829
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 1: like all the sales, reps and ship and then at

1830
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 1: one point it was like fifty people. The next time

1831
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 1: it was like two orangent and fifty, And that's when

1832
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 1: I started learning, like, oh ship. Like then Tata came in,

1833
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 1: bought um bought in like thirty and I got a

1834
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 1: big check. And I was like, bro, this is a

1835
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 1: way bigger check than when I'm onna gift than I

1836
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 1: would have got a sprite over the last few years,

1837
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 1: and I had more coming, you know what I mean.

1838
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 1: So that's kind of like how I got into it.

1839
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:41,559
Speaker 1: I was really it was me saying like, yeah, I'm

1840
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 1: gonna represent myself. I'm gonna figure out my worth. I

1841
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 1: knew I wanted to make music. I knew I wanted

1842
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 1: to make movies, you know what I mean. I knew

1843
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:52,559
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a creative right, and so I

1844
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 1: wanted people to spend money on me that way, you

1845
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:59,600
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, so I can have like the

1846
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 1: oppera scenity to do that shift for other players. So

1847
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 1: I was just using myself as an agent, as a player,

1848
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:09,400
Speaker 1: as a market and as like a test case for

1849
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:12,719
Speaker 1: if I did want to be an agent or anything else.

1850
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 1: For like the next generation marketing whatever it was. So

1851
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 1: directing debut, uh Domino's the Drew League doc um. Two

1852
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 1: things I think that adult those your slick platform and

1853
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 1: what you're doing with Black Santa. Can you talk to

1854
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:30,759
Speaker 1: talk about those? Yeah? I say for me, Black Santa

1855
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:34,439
Speaker 1: changed my life because I actually started having to live right,

1856
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, because because you know, I want it just

1857
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, start thinking about I've never

1858
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 1: met a jolly, friendly, on time, gift giving positive black

1859
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:55,720
Speaker 1: man in my life. And so with that, it was like, damn, bro,

1860
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:59,599
Speaker 1: like we don't have that growing up. We ain't never

1861
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 1: seen and the ship kind of funny, and so why

1862
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 1: don't we create that for Black Santa? And then with him,

1863
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 1: let's have him be the celebration of characters and cultures

1864
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:16,120
Speaker 1: and holidays and things like that. So everybody has a

1865
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:21,200
Speaker 1: story to tell, right, and what better person to be

1866
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 1: like the DJ, the host than you know, a Black

1867
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 1: Santa clause because he's he's different, you know, he is

1868
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:34,600
Speaker 1: the minority, and so you know, with Black Santa is

1869
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 1: just really like the first way it was like just

1870
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 1: get out T shirts things like that to your people,

1871
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 1: get to support, but like work on the story. So

1872
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 1: now the content and the storytelling, the aspect around it

1873
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:50,360
Speaker 1: is something that my kids want to see they learn

1874
01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:53,559
Speaker 1: to grow into. Right, we as adults want to see

1875
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:57,240
Speaker 1: and help our kids. Right, but other cultures can also

1876
01:39:57,880 --> 01:39:59,960
Speaker 1: see us in the different lights. When you think of

1877
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,040
Speaker 1: about treyvon Martin, when you think about you know, the

1878
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:07,800
Speaker 1: our perception you feel I'm saying, our perception and society

1879
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 1: is fucked up. And it's because of our perception that

1880
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 1: and the and the and the stories that people are

1881
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:19,840
Speaker 1: articulating that are our stories, you know what I mean?

1882
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 1: And so I was like, funk that Black Santa Yo

1883
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:27,679
Speaker 1: is positive, Black Santa is inclusive, Black Santa is about

1884
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:32,679
Speaker 1: like every the beauty of being black in his world,

1885
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:36,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It all all the blackness

1886
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:39,559
Speaker 1: that you can find. We're gonna go find that treasure. Right.

1887
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:42,200
Speaker 1: So for Black History Month, we do a coloring book

1888
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 1: right with all the black you know, black figures that

1889
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 1: you know I'm finding out. You know I already knew,

1890
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 1: But it just gives us an opportunity to create characters

1891
01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:57,799
Speaker 1: that can tell stories that can educate our kids, educate others.

1892
01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:03,240
Speaker 1: And now they have a more invitable palette. When they're

1893
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:05,640
Speaker 1: dealing with us, you know what I mean? And I

1894
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:10,000
Speaker 1: think that has always been what's happening, what's happened to

1895
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 1: us in society? Bro, It's like, motherfucker's are we want

1896
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 1: to pigeon hold us to the stereotypes? They want to

1897
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:21,360
Speaker 1: keep you where you at. Maybe we talked about this.

1898
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:24,960
Speaker 1: They want to keep you where you at, Bro, you

1899
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:28,639
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And and so like we gotta

1900
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:32,240
Speaker 1: keep breaking the ceiling, we gotta keep jumping out the

1901
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 1: crab barrel and tipping the bucket over. And I think

1902
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:38,760
Speaker 1: storytelling for Black Santa was like the best way to

1903
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 1: address it and to say, hey, what stories you got? Hey?

1904
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:45,160
Speaker 1: Uh you know when I link them? Uh dk donas

1905
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:48,559
Speaker 1: my favorite Dona story place here in l a Asian

1906
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 1: Donna story. We're doing an animation for them, right, And

1907
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:55,400
Speaker 1: like just we want stories, man, We want our coaches

1908
01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:58,439
Speaker 1: to Cali. So we become the new Renaissance. And then

1909
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 1: I think was slick. It's really just about like stories,

1910
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:04,960
Speaker 1: like we believe, like us telling the story, you know

1911
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:07,679
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like you're a director and producer,

1912
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:12,639
Speaker 1: you're a producer, Like it's the ship don't work unless

1913
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 1: it's collaborative and everybody kind of pouring in. So sports,

1914
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:20,640
Speaker 1: lifestyle and culture is not just we don't we's not

1915
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:24,440
Speaker 1: just sports, you know what I mean? We we everything

1916
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 1: in between, Like WTF is not even sports. But it's

1917
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:29,840
Speaker 1: like if you want to be an actor, you want

1918
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:32,840
Speaker 1: to do stuff like coming slick, and we'll create and

1919
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:37,640
Speaker 1: kind of build formats, you know, for artists, for athletes

1920
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:40,559
Speaker 1: to be able to like funck Man, tell our story,

1921
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 1: do what we want to do. And so that's when

1922
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm on now, So talk to me a little bit

1923
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 1: about the cannabis space and the progress you see in

1924
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:51,480
Speaker 1: professional sports, particularly basketball. I mean, you guys are pioneers

1925
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:54,760
Speaker 1: with al I would say cannabis is probably a thing

1926
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:59,000
Speaker 1: that you know, should be passed, right. Um. I love

1927
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:02,080
Speaker 1: the way that the NBA has adopted it. I feel

1928
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 1: like it's better than drinking, you know what I'm saying.

1929
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:09,680
Speaker 1: Uh pills, Yeah, people taking pills and all that. And

1930
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:13,160
Speaker 1: it's like you can manage somebody who had like who

1931
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:16,080
Speaker 1: smokes a lot of weed, you know what I'm saying,

1932
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 1: Like you can have a conversation with somebody, probably a

1933
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 1: long conversation with somebody who smokes a lot of weights,

1934
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 1: so I don't think and like it's known to be

1935
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:28,680
Speaker 1: like a healing agent and have all these kind of

1936
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:34,200
Speaker 1: nutrients that our bodies. The reason why we was blowing

1937
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:38,200
Speaker 1: and smoking, you know what I mean? Uh after the

1938
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:41,479
Speaker 1: games was like ship man, we smoked and washing gang

1939
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:44,360
Speaker 1: drink a gang of water. Man, we just drink a

1940
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:46,599
Speaker 1: gang of water and being like all right, bro, when

1941
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:55,720
Speaker 1: I wake up, we go to my spot of your

1942
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 1: spot and watch that's grezy. Bro. I want to take

1943
01:43:59,479 --> 01:44:01,240
Speaker 1: us back to the one car trip where we just

1944
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 1: laying in the baby we're about to go smoke at

1945
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:05,200
Speaker 1: the smoke of my house. And who was riding with us?

1946
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:10,360
Speaker 1: So we get in the car right right? School school?

1947
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:12,599
Speaker 1: Remember that we tell this story. We're on the way

1948
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:15,479
Speaker 1: to We're on the way to school career, right. I

1949
01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 1: think it was mine was putting up in my house.

1950
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:21,559
Speaker 1: Yeah toever like sure, yeah, I was driving, That's all

1951
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:25,080
Speaker 1: I mean. You were driving and me and Matt getting

1952
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:26,680
Speaker 1: out the car about to gud we just got back

1953
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:30,600
Speaker 1: from Utah, right, and we're going we're getting out of

1954
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:32,360
Speaker 1: the car and beat it like yo Jack the homie

1955
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:35,519
Speaker 1: pop room for us, right. I looked at man, I'm

1956
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:38,439
Speaker 1: like all right, Okay, you're being man like. Okay, okay,

1957
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:43,120
Speaker 1: col you know you know where that came from, the

1958
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:52,160
Speaker 1: homie spoon. He was like, hey, man, I'm telling you bro, Yeah,

1959
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:54,840
Speaker 1: I warrior niggas on that pop shit. Man, you know

1960
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:57,080
Speaker 1: what you're doing to these Dallas boys. We was like,

1961
01:44:57,120 --> 01:44:59,439
Speaker 1: what that ship was? Deep though, stand at the world

1962
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 1: through your I was like, like it was real quiet

1963
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 1: in the room at first. He was like, He's like, oh,

1964
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:13,680
Speaker 1: that's monte Ellis. I thought you were just one of

1965
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:21,280
Speaker 1: the tribal called quick. He was snapping, bro, he was.

1966
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: It was like he brought this dude shout out that al.

1967
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:31,400
Speaker 1: He said, Man, I'm telling you might. I'm telling you mate,

1968
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:35,719
Speaker 1: like man, y'all boys out there tugging mine. Y'all boys

1969
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:38,280
Speaker 1: out there thugging mine, you know, And you know what

1970
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:42,599
Speaker 1: you're doing, bro, staying at the boys in your rear view.

1971
01:45:44,040 --> 01:45:45,920
Speaker 1: Oh man, I took that with me all the way

1972
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:50,519
Speaker 1: I was with him. But the guy we're talking about

1973
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 1: is the same guy who created the word trill. The

1974
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:56,200
Speaker 1: world don't know that he's from my hometown and that's

1975
01:45:56,280 --> 01:46:01,720
Speaker 1: the creator the word trill. Word. Yeah, he deep out spool. Yeah,

1976
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:03,800
Speaker 1: but I did I was like, man, yeah he said,

1977
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:05,840
Speaker 1: he said first I was trying to get your motivated

1978
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:08,880
Speaker 1: that it was like park RYEO was definitely ready to spoke.

1979
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:11,320
Speaker 1: And then we get upstairs, He's like, come up to the

1980
01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:13,800
Speaker 1: the elephants like, oh yeah Jack, the Homi Big too,

1981
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 1: the Legends winners. Hey, we're coming down the stretch. Quick hitters.

1982
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:25,599
Speaker 1: First thing that comes to mind, who are your top

1983
01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:33,000
Speaker 1: five point god God, Isaiah Thomas, John Stockton, Magic Johnson,

1984
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:41,519
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd, and Steph Curry Dope soundtrack to Your Life.

1985
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 1: Three songs in rotation, Uh so many tears, the Lauren

1986
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:51,840
Speaker 1: Hills song the last song on the album now I know,

1987
01:46:52,479 --> 01:47:00,360
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, third song would be Michael Jackson almost there.

1988
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:03,479
Speaker 1: I just knew it was gonna be some Niver, some

1989
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:07,320
Speaker 1: Dr dre in there somewhere. Oh fish, I mean you

1990
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:13,759
Speaker 1: only got three though. Yeah. NEIP is the album album

1991
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:17,120
Speaker 1: to My Life. If they were to make a biopick,

1992
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 1: who would play you? Who would play me? I was?

1993
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:24,880
Speaker 1: I know would play you? Know? I know? What was

1994
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 1: her boyfriend name? On friend sample was his best friend name?

1995
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:35,559
Speaker 1: That's the husband was no, not graty, her husband the

1996
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:38,599
Speaker 1: great was his whome boy when they drink all the time.

1997
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:42,240
Speaker 1: That's will play your husband? Was it Rollo? Now? I

1998
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:45,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't Roller's name, wasn't roloph? I show I was thinking

1999
01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:48,479
Speaker 1: about that man. I was thinking like you the of

2000
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:50,840
Speaker 1: a story? Yeah, who could? Who could probably play me?

2001
01:47:51,000 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 1: I would say somebody like uh little Duval? No, I

2002
01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:10,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't say a little Michael B. Jordan's no way, no way?

2003
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:13,840
Speaker 1: Why not what you mean? Actually he could? But Kenny

2004
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:16,280
Speaker 1: who they know how to go on the character? Bro Kenny?

2005
01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:18,080
Speaker 1: Who we can you could teach him? I think he's

2006
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:20,800
Speaker 1: good enough to figure it out. I think Michael B.

2007
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 1: Jordan is like too handsle, you know what I mean?

2008
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:25,400
Speaker 1: That nag gonna take away from me? You know what

2009
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean? I ain't that to find a diamond in

2010
01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:30,439
Speaker 1: the rough. Yeah, we gotta find an ugly negative play.

2011
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:35,360
Speaker 1: But but it's a little cannibal burst. It's somebody like somebody,

2012
01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:37,759
Speaker 1: it's like that nig. You don't even look like beady,

2013
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:39,879
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Are like Lamar and Morris,

2014
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:42,720
Speaker 1: somebody who like a straight nerd, you know what I mean,

2015
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:45,400
Speaker 1: just like a naked just like you don't even look

2016
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:47,360
Speaker 1: like here. It's some kid in your neighborhood that know

2017
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 1: all about you, that know the same demograph, that can

2018
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:53,000
Speaker 1: play that role. Yeah, I let it be a kid,

2019
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:57,920
Speaker 1: A top five sneakers of all time. You know, I

2020
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:01,200
Speaker 1: ain't no sneaker person, Jack, You've been waiting now you've

2021
01:49:01,240 --> 01:49:03,160
Speaker 1: been coming to and I don't. I don't. I don't

2022
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:07,240
Speaker 1: really like know the names ship. I just uh hardaway

2023
01:49:07,479 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 1: wote them leadings. I know there's the label that they

2024
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:16,800
Speaker 1: used to pay me and then down when they let

2025
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:20,240
Speaker 1: me go. Stock went down when they let me go, though,

2026
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:27,000
Speaker 1: absolutely is the label pain. Come on, bro, I used

2027
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:30,519
Speaker 1: to say that ship like you gotta leadings. They're paying No, Bro,

2028
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:34,960
Speaker 1: They're going, They're going, They're going. I got shoes in

2029
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:42,360
Speaker 1: the market. Five dinner guests dead or alive. Was five

2030
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:48,400
Speaker 1: all my dogs over here the wall. Yeah, I break

2031
01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:50,960
Speaker 1: bread with them, and then I'll break bread with you know,

2032
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:53,760
Speaker 1: I have five women I have to break bread with.

2033
01:49:54,160 --> 01:49:57,920
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I got my grandmother. You know,

2034
01:49:58,160 --> 01:50:04,920
Speaker 1: you got Harriet's man. Uh, you got my angelou h

2035
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:11,240
Speaker 1: rest in peace, Cecily Tyson, and the last one would

2036
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:19,040
Speaker 1: be Um Jackie joined Kursey. Good call, last question, Bro,

2037
01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:21,160
Speaker 1: There's no more after this but go ahead, you got

2038
01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:23,800
Speaker 1: another Yeah, who do you want to all the smoke?

2039
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:26,519
Speaker 1: What do you want to see all the smoke? Chris whatever?

2040
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:29,960
Speaker 1: We just had him, just had him. I like to

2041
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:35,679
Speaker 1: see uh, Chuck d you know what, that's funny. I'd

2042
01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:38,920
Speaker 1: like to see Chuck dal on the show. And then

2043
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:43,760
Speaker 1: I like to see Isaiah Thomas real quick. Before we

2044
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:48,640
Speaker 1: finish your connection with Kobe? What he meant to you? Bro?

2045
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:51,280
Speaker 1: When I was here, Like when I was in high

2046
01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:55,400
Speaker 1: school and when Koby got to the Lakers, I was

2047
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:59,080
Speaker 1: it was my senior year. So Kobe was like, you

2048
01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:01,400
Speaker 1: know the panicles and when he came here, you funk

2049
01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:04,840
Speaker 1: with me. I never forget. Like they took me to

2050
01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:06,760
Speaker 1: his house and I was like, oh, what's up, bro,

2051
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:09,559
Speaker 1: you want to go hang out? And he was like no, Bro,

2052
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying and watch these tape, like we can do

2053
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:19,080
Speaker 1: that tomorrow. You know, you're like be watching take tomorrow.

2054
01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, ship, Like I probably won't be hanging

2055
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:23,920
Speaker 1: out with this dude, you know what I mean? But

2056
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:26,760
Speaker 1: he would come to the gym and like me and

2057
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:30,360
Speaker 1: Kobe always had like this when we see each other,

2058
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:34,400
Speaker 1: we was like bros. And then like I remember when

2059
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:37,280
Speaker 1: he was in therapy. I was in physical therapy like

2060
01:51:37,479 --> 01:51:40,200
Speaker 1: every morning, Like I was the only person I felt

2061
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:42,519
Speaker 1: like with funk with Kobe, you know what I mean.

2062
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:45,240
Speaker 1: You had these dark ass glasses on the physical therapy.

2063
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, mother fucking you blind, He's sleep and you

2064
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:49,840
Speaker 1: wake up, motherfucker what you're talking about? You know what

2065
01:51:49,880 --> 01:51:52,400
Speaker 1: I mean? And we'd just be going back and forth.

2066
01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:54,760
Speaker 1: So it was like for me, I always wanted to

2067
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:57,120
Speaker 1: like pay homas to him because he was like a

2068
01:51:57,200 --> 01:51:59,160
Speaker 1: big bro, you know what I mean, and almost like

2069
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:02,120
Speaker 1: a guy. And then at the same time I knew

2070
01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:04,719
Speaker 1: like all the ship he was going through. So every

2071
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:08,000
Speaker 1: time I've seen it, you know, always like Kobe is

2072
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:11,880
Speaker 1: one dude. I every time I saw I was, I

2073
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:14,840
Speaker 1: made sure he knew, you know what I mean, Like nigga,

2074
01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:18,800
Speaker 1: if if it's God, Nigga, you are Jesus to us,

2075
01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:21,679
Speaker 1: you feel what I'm saying to this game, to this hoop,

2076
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:25,679
Speaker 1: And you know, we just always had that like connected fabric.

2077
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:29,720
Speaker 1: I remember interviewing him, you know, for ESPN the magazine,

2078
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:32,559
Speaker 1: Like I believe it was like after the Colorado ship.

2079
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:35,200
Speaker 1: You know, it was just always like recepted to me

2080
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:38,920
Speaker 1: and ship. And I remember being with the Knicks and

2081
01:52:39,080 --> 01:52:41,280
Speaker 1: before I got hurt, he was like, Yo, we're gonna

2082
01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:43,720
Speaker 1: play one on one. If I beat you, you I

2083
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 1: come to the Lakers next year. And now I was like, well, ship, dog, like,

2084
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:49,200
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna beat me. What do I get if

2085
01:52:49,200 --> 01:52:50,920
Speaker 1: I win? He was like, I speak to some kids

2086
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:57,800
Speaker 1: at your basketball camp, said nigga, get your brand or something.

2087
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Speaker 1: But that's how Kobe was. He was like, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: go speak to the kids at your cam. I was like,

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Speaker 1: that's what's up. But he was he was my dog, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: rest in peace. Last thing, real quick. We got someone

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Speaker 1: who's been mentioned on our show more times than anybody

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Speaker 1: in the building. So we gotta bring in front of

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Speaker 1: camera quick. Come on, turn, come up, really make your appearance. Turn. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got the most come he got the most mentions, mentions,

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Speaker 1: he got the most men in all the small history.

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Speaker 1: So come sit on the couch. Take you see real quick. Turn.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is like you said, this is who

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Speaker 1: see a lot of you saw bearing on the biggest stage,

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Speaker 1: but this is you know that his best friend growing

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Speaker 1: up family, You know what I mean? And I just

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Speaker 1: think it's dope. We want to give you a shout out, man,

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Speaker 1: because so many people have mentioned you, from Wayne to

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Speaker 1: be d to KG to Paul too, So we just

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Speaker 1: want to give you a little shot. It's my dog

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Speaker 1: right there for real. We talked about that. We believe

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Speaker 1: he has to be on the Doctor right in the

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Speaker 1: middle of it. He heart of it with fat Rat.

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Speaker 1: Gonna say but on all the episodes we had, all

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Speaker 1: the episodes we have for all our fans, all our

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Speaker 1: listeners is yeah, this is the termined that everybody's talking about.

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Speaker 1: Our brother. Yeah, he's a punk guy. He's a guy,

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Speaker 1: the one and only the lefty. Hey man, that's a rap.

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Speaker 1: Another addition of all the smoke, Thank you Baron term Jack,

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Speaker 1: great show. You can find us Showtime Basketball, YouTube and

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Speaker 1: I Heart Platform, Black Effects, so many these things. He

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Speaker 1: don't even getting what the sakes. See you all next week.

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