Speaker 1: Ladies, gentlemen, welcome to another episode of the bust In
Speaker 1: Spring Tour. We've had a couple of the boys on,
Speaker 1: but right now we have the Krem de La Krem
Speaker 1: of the University of Michigan, the man that everybody wanted,
Speaker 1: including when I was here from two thousand and nine
Speaker 1: to thirteen, Coach Harblell.
Speaker 2: Let's give it up for coach.
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Speaker 2: Coach. Glad to have you on the show. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much for coming on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a Silverado, did you? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: It really is.
Speaker 1: So last week we're so we're doing this spring tour.
Speaker 1: We went to Nebraska last week, Michigan this week. And
Speaker 1: then we're going to hit Tennessee at some point. But
Speaker 1: when we were at Nebraska, we were talking to Scott
Speaker 1: Frost and we brought up this idea, and I want
Speaker 1: to get your vibe, your thought.
Speaker 2: Do you want to show them the clip? Well, before
Speaker 2: we do that, I'll bring up the clip. I'll run
Speaker 2: up the clip. You ask about the talk about the
Speaker 2: fight when we when.
Speaker 1: We were when we were talking to Scott Frost, we
Speaker 1: asked him who would you lose to in a fight
Speaker 1: in the Bag ten?
Speaker 2: And he kind of was, I don't know at first.
Speaker 2: Then he brought up you.
Speaker 1: He said, if all the coaches in the Bay ten,
Speaker 1: if he had to fist fight him, he would probably
Speaker 1: have the hardest time with you, because how scrapy you are,
Speaker 1: high energy guy through the roof getting after you. Guys,
Speaker 1: Who do you think? Who do you think that fight
Speaker 1: would go between the two of them? Cool? How a
Speaker 1: fight would with me?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And Scott Frost, I would say, I mean, are you
Speaker 5: coming out on top of that?
Speaker 4: I don't know if I could whip anybody. Uh uh,
Speaker 4: I'm sure all the coaches in Big ten are tough. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I would have to say, because I wouldn't concede. I mean,
Speaker 4: I haven't here's the deal. I haven't been in a
Speaker 4: street fight in about twenty years. So Scott Frost would definitely.
Speaker 4: He's a thicker dude.
Speaker 3: Definitely, Yeah, he would. I mean I would.
Speaker 4: I mean, if I weren't pick anybody, I mean, who
Speaker 4: would all come in? Scott Fross, Mel Yeah, Tucker.
Speaker 2: Uh. Those would probably be my two favorites to go
Speaker 2: against or you might lose to.
Speaker 4: You'd probably be that would be you know that you'd
Speaker 4: put it, yeah, be the most worrisome.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, because you know you're not worried about
Speaker 1: Ryan Day. You know that's the type of guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: after what you guys.
Speaker 3: Did do, I don't know if I could whip anybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, you know what, I love it. Very political
Speaker 1: of you, and I love that. But the way you
Speaker 1: guys put it on Ohio State I had to be
Speaker 1: one of the greatest feelings for as a coach playing here,
Speaker 1: going through that, and of all the games you played,
Speaker 1: you've played in the super Bowl, you've done almost everything,
Speaker 1: that's got to be the best. One of the best feelings.
Speaker 4: Yeah, none better. I can tell you that. Like like
Speaker 4: anything with a win. You know, they're like they're like
Speaker 4: your own children. You know, I got seven kids and you.
Speaker 2: Love them all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know you really do. Uh that's that's what
Speaker 4: every win feels like. But uh yeah, certainly none better
Speaker 4: than that that game with Ohio State here in the
Speaker 4: Big House.
Speaker 3: You know, our team was they were they were.
Speaker 4: Highly motivated, they played, uh played extremely well, executed great
Speaker 4: and was uh uh is everything was a dream you
Speaker 4: know kind of season and uh you know that game
Speaker 4: was that was the act.
Speaker 2: It was, It was absolutely everything.
Speaker 5: Speaking of rivalries, we're trying to get a little something
Speaker 5: going between the boys, and.
Speaker 2: It sounds like it's halfway there. It's it's halfway there.
Speaker 2: Once you know it's halfway there.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna show you a clip of Scott Frost talking
Speaker 5: about it. Taylor played in Michigan, I played in Nebraska.
Speaker 5: You guys OUs played obviously played. Do you guys play
Speaker 5: every year or is it you guys played two years
Speaker 5: in a row and then off two or do you know?
Speaker 3: I do know?
Speaker 4: They they've got this, They've got the Big Ten has
Speaker 4: had this scheduling system where where the East plays the
Speaker 4: West and everybody's gonna play each other.
Speaker 3: The same lot of times.
Speaker 4: Uh, but it's gonna take fifty six years to do it.
Speaker 2: Tell me some good schedule. Yeah, it's it's, it's.
Speaker 3: It's it's Uh yeah, it's it's. It's mind boggling.
Speaker 4: But like we've played, Nebraska or Wisconsin has been our
Speaker 4: crossover game for like the last eight years, and now
Speaker 4: it's gonna becomes.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's gonna become Nebraska is gonna be who we
Speaker 3: play the next eight years.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is perfect.
Speaker 4: Over fifty six years, everybody will play each other eight times.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's hilarious. Number one, but this is perfect for
Speaker 5: the situation we're talking about.
Speaker 3: This is here.
Speaker 2: You can hit watch again and listen to the clip.
Speaker 3: Okay, watch watch again.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's my voice close. Whoever wins, it's the battle
Speaker 2: of the bus. It's a giant gold.
Speaker 3: Bus with long if you make the trophy.
Speaker 1: And so once you give me your first initial reaction
Speaker 1: to the feeling of that, cool, I love that. It's
Speaker 1: a great start. I love the one word too. Is
Speaker 1: it a possibility?
Speaker 2: Uh, well here's what I do. Yeah, absolutely, I mean
Speaker 2: you just I mean why not?
Speaker 4: I mean, there's Nebraskas Michigan can do whatever you want, right,
Speaker 4: you guys make the.
Speaker 2: Trophy and then then we played for it.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like so.
Speaker 2: There's no like loopuls if you with the NCAA or
Speaker 2: a Big ten.
Speaker 4: When I was when I was a coach at the
Speaker 4: University of San Diego, our our main rival was Dayton,
Speaker 4: and uh, and we came up with the idea as
Speaker 4: a team, let's let's get let's get something to play
Speaker 4: for between us and Dayton. So we made a flag
Speaker 4: and it was half San Diego and half Dayton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, one was blue and white and the
Speaker 2: other was red and white.
Speaker 4: And uh, we made this flag and then we took
Speaker 4: it to the game and we won. And then after
Speaker 4: the game I went up to the other coach and said,
Speaker 4: this flag we made back here we out of respect
Speaker 4: for the for your program and our program. We we
Speaker 4: wanted to have something to play for in this game.
Speaker 4: Now we want it this year, so we'll keep it.
Speaker 4: But you know, if you beat us, then you can
Speaker 4: have the flag and we'll we'll go back and forth.
Speaker 2: And they were totally cool with it.
Speaker 3: I don't think they were cool. They weren't cool till
Speaker 3: they won it.
Speaker 2: Yes, and then they took.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they weren't. Yeah, they I don't think they recognized
Speaker 4: it at all until they won it and then it
Speaker 4: was there was Yeah. So I would say this is perfect.
Speaker 4: Under that precedent, you could make a trophy and then
Speaker 4: whoever wins it takes that trouble.
Speaker 5: Well you hoisted like you win your are you going
Speaker 5: to be proud? Like, let me see that bus trophy
Speaker 5: and hold it up.
Speaker 1: Because if you think, if you think about it this way,
Speaker 1: the Brown Jug between Michigan and Minnesota, it's a great trophy.
Speaker 1: But like the backstory, we left a water water bottle
Speaker 1: there and then yeah, we left the water jug. Then
Speaker 1: we called like, hey, we need that back and you
Speaker 1: gotta win it if you want to get it, if you.
Speaker 3: Want it, you gotta come. You gotta come win it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so this is are we Uh.
Speaker 5: We went to our lawyer, We went to our legal team,
Speaker 5: and we had something. We had something drawn up here.
Speaker 5: If you would want to just sign and say like
Speaker 5: you're down to do it, says I Jim Harball, agree
Speaker 5: to making Nebraska Michigan game the bust and Bowl.
Speaker 2: Oh let's go.
Speaker 1: This is listen, this might not mean a whole lot
Speaker 1: to you, but this is everything to us. It's electric.
Speaker 1: This is an electric factory happening right now. And standing
Speaker 1: I don't think you know what you get yourself into.
Speaker 1: You're gonna see a lot more of us.
Speaker 4: And somebody in the building had mentioned maybe it was
Speaker 4: maybe some of the maybe it might have been the players.
Speaker 3: Maybe they saw your show.
Speaker 4: They say, hey, here, we're playing Nebraska for a trophy,
Speaker 4: uh next year, and said, I said.
Speaker 2: Cool hip. It's a it's the first I've heard of it.
Speaker 3: But now this kind of feels in.
Speaker 1: My heart's warm and fuzzy right now, you know. And
Speaker 1: you saw your wife for the first time in her
Speaker 1: white dress. It's a Michigan guy, Nebraska guy. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know together that was insane.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what an atmosphere that that, uh, game day.
Speaker 2: Experience and memorial was off the chain.
Speaker 4: As the young people say, you know, uh, the music
Speaker 4: the third the thing they do between the third and
Speaker 4: the fourth.
Speaker 2: Cour when the lights go off in the red lights.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the song they play?
Speaker 4: It's a Metallica song or heavy metal song.
Speaker 2: It is tough.
Speaker 5: But I know, I know, you know that, I know
Speaker 5: I should know that. I was in the momentary, joked
Speaker 5: that ye thunder, that's like the number one. When he
Speaker 5: looked at me and started saying, well the song, my
Speaker 5: heart started just beating.
Speaker 2: I don't know right now, you were thinking about the
Speaker 2: true So it's kind of like when the Steelers.
Speaker 3: That's awesome though, by the way, I think that's awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's do it really.
Speaker 2: Yeah the eighty doesn't have to sign off on it.
Speaker 5: Oh he might, but either way, we coaches are like, yeah,
Speaker 5: let's let's competely do.
Speaker 3: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: I meanding, yeah, these back here. Yes, hey guys, if
Speaker 2: you guys.
Speaker 4: Comet rules.
Speaker 2: Apologized, there's rules on that.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 3: You can't talk to everybody. You just want to make sure.
Speaker 3: That's making sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. Speaking of rules, a lot of
Speaker 2: things have changed. The n I L deals have been
Speaker 2: have been a big transition to college football.
Speaker 1: What what do you see Michigan doing? Because we had
Speaker 1: a couple of the offensive linman on. To be brutally honest,
Speaker 1: I'm a little disappointed because I was like, hey, what
Speaker 1: are your an ile deals? Like mister Spots, which is
Speaker 1: a fantastic place, keep an amazing guy. I love him
Speaker 1: to death. But at Nebraska, kids are making one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars over there, and that's gonna I mean, Lincoln's
Speaker 1: not much to look at, but they, I mean, kids
Speaker 1: are gonna come for that six figure deal.
Speaker 5: I don't know if he's allowed to talk too much
Speaker 5: about Oh yeah, I don't know if because you guys
Speaker 5: aren't allowed to really be a part.
Speaker 4: Of No, we can't be a part of it. But
Speaker 4: kay fingerprints on it, which we don't. But I mean,
Speaker 4: i'll give you my my my take on it, which absolutely,
Speaker 4: I think it's a very good thing. I think players
Speaker 4: should be able to profit up for their name, image
Speaker 4: and likeness.
Speaker 3: But I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't want to lose what Michigan is, and that's
Speaker 4: that it's a transformational experience, not a transactional experience. But
Speaker 4: with the Ni NI L it can become transactional. So
Speaker 4: I'm not We're not going to recruit players and be
Speaker 4: promising them money to come here. But if you do,
Speaker 4: it's been proven, you come here and you play well,
Speaker 4: then your he starts selling. You start getting these deals.
Speaker 4: We have players that are making, uh from what what
Speaker 4: they've told me, uh, you know, in the hundreds of
Speaker 4: thousands of dollars.
Speaker 2: So hundreds of thousands. That's six figures, right, and that's
Speaker 2: that experience. That's absolutely correct experience.
Speaker 4: But that I mean, yeah, beats so that kind of
Speaker 4: like the transformational experience, uh, you know, can can become
Speaker 4: transactional if if you if you play good.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good model.
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, you would you ever want to be
Speaker 4: on a team where some guys just coming coming in
Speaker 4: and he's getting he's getting.
Speaker 3: Money to come in like and hadn't done anything.
Speaker 1: I lived that life right now in the NFL. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like what it is every day, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. It is kind of crazy. The thing that
Speaker 1: is becoming more transactional in the college football world is
Speaker 1: this uh transfer portal. Because when I was playing, it
Speaker 1: was like if you transferred, you to sit out a year,
Speaker 1: it can't be in conference. There's all these crazy rules,
Speaker 1: and now it kind of seems like a free for all.
Speaker 1: Do you see like the way college football morphine kind
Speaker 1: of seems like it's coming turning into like an NFL
Speaker 1: and that way a free agency almost.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And the other side of the coin to me, why
Speaker 4: I was always for the transfer portal was because it
Speaker 4: didn't seem fair that of the thirty eight sports or
Speaker 4: forty sports that there are in college sports, there was
Speaker 4: only four at the time that you couldn't just freely
Speaker 4: transferred to another school if you wanted to, right, football,
Speaker 4: men's basketball, I think it was women's basketball, and the
Speaker 4: other was hockey.
Speaker 3: Now I'm not one hundred.
Speaker 4: Percent that those are the four, but all the rest
Speaker 4: of the sports, all the country club sports, all all
Speaker 4: other sports, they've always been able to transfer freely without
Speaker 4: having to sit out. So that's why I was four
Speaker 4: to man. Should I mean the rules should be really
Speaker 4: uniform for all the sports.
Speaker 3: Right, And.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if just like if your if your
Speaker 4: son or daughter wasn't having a good experience someplace, I mean,
Speaker 4: they should have the ability to go to a to
Speaker 4: a school where they can't get that great college experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with that stuff, I'm so sorry for cutting off. Well,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to finish the thought.
Speaker 1: But my worry with all that stuff is, like, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of times when the way like kids are
Speaker 1: growing up now, even like in our childhood, a little
Speaker 1: bit of the participation trophy thing when you go somewhere
Speaker 1: and you don't get that instant gratification like is there
Speaker 1: like kids are more bounded to get up and like,
Speaker 1: well I'm not getting what I want to leave. It's
Speaker 1: not necessarily a there's just ways to manipulate that process.
Speaker 1: It's not saying like I'm having a bad experience at
Speaker 1: in Michigan or at in Nebraska Wisconsin. It's like, well
Speaker 1: I'm not starting, so I'm just gonna leave And that
Speaker 1: kind of to me is a bummer. And I think
Speaker 1: the transfer portal I agree with you. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that's another way to think about it.
Speaker 3: Now. I mean you bring up a good point. I mean,
Speaker 3: does it does it hurts?
Speaker 4: Hurts the experience of working through a tough time, having
Speaker 4: some endurance, having some resilience.
Speaker 2: I mean tough to argue that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think for overall though I think it, I
Speaker 4: think it's.
Speaker 3: A good thing.
Speaker 2: Does it make it hard?
Speaker 5: Like knowing that the pivot it's kind of made with
Speaker 5: the transportal and then all the nil stuff happening that uh,
Speaker 5: that feel for taking on an extra gig to where
Speaker 5: it seems like you've got to recruit these kids all
Speaker 5: year round. Now you know what I mean again with
Speaker 5: the unhappiness or dude doing this and that obviously for
Speaker 5: you if you're a head coach, like you're like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean if these kids aren't it for the wrong
Speaker 5: reasons that you don't want the most part of the
Speaker 5: molding culture that you're trying to build here, but doesn't
Speaker 5: make it harder. Does it kind of put you in
Speaker 5: a spot to recruit kids all year around with all
Speaker 5: this stuff happening.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, first of all, I try to try
Speaker 4: to be that in terms of recruiting, be the uh
Speaker 4: be the kind of coach, be the kind of place
Speaker 4: where uh underpromising and over delivering. Uh And yeah, so
Speaker 4: I try to try to deliver every day you know
Speaker 4: that they're here to make it, make it a transformational
Speaker 4: type of college experience for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Man, that is outstanding as far as like uh under promising, overdeliver.
Speaker 2: I heard you're quite the recruiter. Now, I wasn't not
Speaker 2: the opportunity as bro and not have the.
Speaker 1: Opportunity to get recruited by you. When you were at Stanford.
Speaker 1: You were recruiting a player and I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember him, Craig Row. Yeah, he actually came to Michigan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he came here and you came to my high school
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, you gotta look at this kid.
Speaker 1: Taylor l Wand is kind of coming up and he
Speaker 1: looked at my transcript, and you know, it's.
Speaker 2: Not going to work out there.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna work out with the Stanford not work
Speaker 1: out at all. So but I've heard like you stay,
Speaker 1: you come over in cleats, you're staying over at houses,
Speaker 1: Like what what makes you want to recruit in such
Speaker 1: a unique way?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: Well, there was right. I mean some of the things get.
Speaker 2: Us undred percent right. It's a fish story.
Speaker 4: I never were not that I can ever remember, or
Speaker 4: no did I ever wear cleats to somebody's house. And
Speaker 4: I always take my shoes off when I when I
Speaker 4: come from.
Speaker 2: Really that's important to know. That's important to know. Always
Speaker 2: we had you know who A J. Brown is? A
Speaker 2: J Brown wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Here we went to old miss Okay, and I believe
Speaker 1: we might be wrong on who we could be wrong
Speaker 1: to be wrong.
Speaker 2: He said that you didn't take your shoes off, and
Speaker 2: his mom got mad.
Speaker 3: I always take.
Speaker 2: That have been Isaiah will say you get to complete line.
Speaker 2: Is I take exception to that, okay, And I respect
Speaker 2: my mom and.
Speaker 4: Dad would take exception to that. Yeah, yeah, that would
Speaker 4: be very offensive to the whole training.
Speaker 5: That is one of your u Like, what is one
Speaker 5: of your unique recruiting pitches that you've swung and missed on?
Speaker 2: Like, what's something you look back on you're like, all right, maybe.
Speaker 5: I'll scrap that and then, you know, do something different,
Speaker 5: Like what's a recruiting store that didn't go your way?
Speaker 2: Well when you're starting out.
Speaker 4: As far as far as I mean again the pitch,
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not like the there's probably a lot
Speaker 4: of people better in terms of the car salesman type
Speaker 4: of pitch or the h I'm pretty much I tell
Speaker 4: you what it is. I mean, it's the same thing
Speaker 4: my dad told me when I was in high school
Speaker 4: trying to decide what, you know, what's the best school here?
Speaker 4: My dad said, son, this is the ABC's of picking
Speaker 4: at college. A academics go where you can get the
Speaker 4: best education possible. B ball? Where can you go and
Speaker 4: play early, play often, play well, be developed, and win
Speaker 4: see college experience. Where are you gonna go and be
Speaker 4: truly happy and feel like, uh you know that's good.
Speaker 3: That's going to be home? So uh easy.
Speaker 4: ABC rememberable and you know, I found to be spot on,
Speaker 4: and that's been the same advice that I've I've given
Speaker 4: hundreds and thousands of kids, uh ash as in my
Speaker 4: role as a head coach.
Speaker 5: Yeah, do you have a good Do you have a
Speaker 5: good recruiting story where something was just well, I'll give
Speaker 5: you an example. We had Bo Polini on He came
Speaker 5: on the bus back in Nashville, uh huh, and we
Speaker 5: were talking to him about recruiting scores and he told
Speaker 5: this recruiting story where he went. It was either in Florida, Texas.
Speaker 5: One of there him and his coach, I want to say,
Speaker 5: was maybe Tim Beck at the time, but he's like, Bro,
Speaker 5: we went into this house and the whole time we're
Speaker 5: trying to recruit this kid, somebody's watching porn in a
Speaker 5: room close by to where you can hear everything. So
Speaker 5: the entire time you site you and they're trying to
Speaker 5: recruit this kid, you hear all this moment thing and
Speaker 5: growing going on in the background. But just a hilarious story.
Speaker 5: Do you have anything like that that you think, what
Speaker 5: a wild situation?
Speaker 4: There is no recollection. You haven't never had any kind
Speaker 4: of any kind of situation that hasn't been been been great.
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's always the same. I mean wherever
Speaker 4: you go, I mean you go and you got you
Speaker 4: got families that uh, you know, really care about their
Speaker 4: son and uh you know they're they're they're they want they.
Speaker 3: Want what's best for their son, not watching porn.
Speaker 2: Brain development, right, A tough deal.
Speaker 1: Cerebellum, Yeah, you know, domine I want to say there's another.
Speaker 4: One where they you know, you get into the thing
Speaker 4: I think. I mean one thing I think that always
Speaker 4: strikes me every time. It is uh, you know, go
Speaker 4: out and recruit wherever it is, I mean across the country.
Speaker 4: It's like football is really strong. I mean people really
Speaker 4: really love football. And uh and yeah, family and the
Speaker 4: families are strong. Souls are two things that always are
Speaker 4: super encouraging to me when I'm going out and hitting
Speaker 4: the recruiting trailer making home visits.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, being a guy that played at Michigan, and like
Speaker 1: I said before, when we first started this podcast, like
Speaker 1: when I got here, Rich Rodriguez was here and then
Speaker 1: Rich it wasn't going great. Everyone's like we gotta get horrible.
Speaker 1: That's the guy, the Michigan man. We got to get him,
Speaker 1: and then Brady Hope comes in and Brady at the
Speaker 1: end of Brady Hoasting.
Speaker 2: You're like, harble, we got to get him.
Speaker 1: So being a guy that played here, your experience like
Speaker 1: in college and then coming back here, like how much
Speaker 1: different was it for you to see, like, you know,
Speaker 1: thirty years later where you're at.
Speaker 2: It's been great. I mean I've just always had a
Speaker 2: love love.
Speaker 4: Relationship with Michigan. Always been extremely blessed and just have
Speaker 4: a lot of gratitude, attitude of gratitude for this place
Speaker 4: everything it's it's done for me personally and my family
Speaker 4: and just everything. You know how some people you probably know,
Speaker 4: you know, your own school Michigan or your own school
Speaker 4: in Nebraska. I mean they sometimes they had that love
Speaker 4: hate relationship with it. You know, eighteen eighteen wonderful things
Speaker 4: might have been done for you, Yeah, while you were there,
Speaker 4: but there was one thing you took exception to and
Speaker 4: you know it's big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this place, you know I didn't do enough or
Speaker 2: didn't do sounds like me, that sounds like me. Absolutely
Speaker 2: no love it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And if there's yeah, stuff that you know didn't go
Speaker 4: your way or you weren't you know whatever I mean,
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 2: That's that's life. Yeah, that's stuff, you know that.
Speaker 4: But the things that I was taught here by my coach,
Speaker 4: Bo Schambeckler.
Speaker 2: The legend, the legend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they just priceless, Like I mean, nuggets
Speaker 4: of gold that I was able to receive, you know,
Speaker 4: when I was eighteen to twenty two years old.
Speaker 2: So forever, forever, forever, thankful.
Speaker 5: Shall we get into the I think it's time because
Speaker 5: I know we're at the twenty one mark now and
Speaker 5: we gotta go.
Speaker 2: We got a couple of good ones. Ask absolutely.
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Speaker 2: this thing a nice little smell, honest opinion on it.
Speaker 3: This is a setup.
Speaker 2: No genuine it's kind of nice, right, really nice. You
Speaker 2: didn't know what you smell with that with that bush
Speaker 2: local on the outside. Yeah, you never know what you're get.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I've always been a brute man myself.
Speaker 5: But uh, rub your finger and that and smell that
Speaker 5: that's not a set.
Speaker 2: Kind of like give that thing a little Yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 2: It tends to be in every locker room calls.
Speaker 4: Are you guys the kind of show that gives the
Speaker 4: guests a little gift for coming on the show?
Speaker 2: We were we plan on that. Here's the issue.
Speaker 1: So we had the last to be radio shows back
Speaker 1: in the day we do that.
Speaker 2: We had Trevor Or, Zach has yours. We had three.
Speaker 2: You were one main one on Cade was we didn't
Speaker 2: know if Zach and Trevor was coming.
Speaker 4: On, but it would be great for tradition for you
Speaker 4: guys to bring back. That was a kid growing up
Speaker 4: in Michigan. Ernie Harwell used to do the Tigers games.
Speaker 4: Legendary George Kell and Ernie Ernie Harwy. They would always
Speaker 4: have somebody on either in the post game or the
Speaker 4: pregame interview, and I think the tagline was always thanks
Speaker 4: for coming on, you receive a pair of Floorsheim shoes,
Speaker 4: which we're kind of dress shoes.
Speaker 2: Nice deal, bring that back. You doesn't have to be
Speaker 2: floor shym shoes. It could be could. I think that's
Speaker 2: a phenomenal idea. That's a great idea.
Speaker 5: But she's saying like she's gonna get the whole line boxes,
Speaker 5: she's gonna You're obviously gonna get a pack.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get one ship. It's really his good.
Speaker 5: But this last segment and talking about locker room and
Speaker 5: everything like that. You've obviously been in the coaching game
Speaker 5: for over two decades, for over twenty years, but you
Speaker 5: were a player for fifteen seasons, bro Like you were
Speaker 5: there Walter Payton' rookie year.
Speaker 2: You were coached by Mike Ditka.
Speaker 5: You were a baller like me when I was a kid,
Speaker 5: and you got money and the books Fair came to
Speaker 5: your school and you bought those posters you know what
Speaker 5: I'm talking about. Yeah, you're Indianapolis Coast poster was hanging
Speaker 5: in my room. So you've played a lot of ball
Speaker 5: before you were a coach and all this madness, all
Speaker 5: this buttoned up collared stuff. If we're gonna loosen up
Speaker 5: the tie a little bit and talk about a good
Speaker 5: old fashioned six pack of beers in here locker room
Speaker 5: story from back in the day, whether again, whether it's
Speaker 5: references Peyton Dicka, a fun.
Speaker 2: Night out, something that you just love to tell that.
Speaker 5: You wouldn't normally tell in like a mainstream media show.
Speaker 5: Like so many, so many.
Speaker 2: We can go one at a time.
Speaker 5: We got time all yeah, I mean again, you've been
Speaker 5: in the game for over thirty years, bro, both player
Speaker 5: and coaching. But I can't say, like, I know you've
Speaker 5: been a meat peaker, right, Like we joke with all
Speaker 5: the players. Hey, hang on, we say with all the
Speaker 5: players like I'm the guy like that would go. We'll
Speaker 5: go around and practice during walk through. Hey, be honest, man,
Speaker 5: do you peek in the shower stuff like that, like
Speaker 5: busting balls with the guys? And I know you remember
Speaker 5: what that was like number one?
Speaker 2: Where does it?
Speaker 5: What were you meat peaker back back in your playing days?
Speaker 5: Come on, man, that's tough. That's a tough lie.
Speaker 2: That is a tough lie.
Speaker 5: We always because I would go around and I told
Speaker 5: like Sas Taylor, I beg you know, I bet you
Speaker 5: eighty percent of guys say they don't they don't peak
Speaker 5: in the shower.
Speaker 2: But sometimes you just notice in general. Yeah, sometimes you
Speaker 2: just notice in general.
Speaker 5: Right, But all that being said, we know you know
Speaker 5: what it's like to be one of the boys. I
Speaker 5: want you to take us back a nice little story
Speaker 5: that you can give. That's Jim Harball the football player.
Speaker 2: Give us that.
Speaker 5: Maybe, Dick, maybe a game you think back on your
Speaker 5: fuck I really wish I would have had that game back.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's something with Dick guy.
Speaker 5: I know he was a crazy I know he was
Speaker 5: like a crazy bastard. The well night I was coaching
Speaker 5: Walter Payton. You were with him for one year as
Speaker 5: a rookie when you got drafted first round. Congratulations, all right,
Speaker 5: that sparked something right there.
Speaker 2: I love a you kept treading and then Life Preserver
Speaker 2: came out. Yes, that's outstanding.
Speaker 4: So my first game ever, getting ready to play the
Speaker 4: Miami Dolphins preseason game.
Speaker 2: It was actually the first.
Speaker 4: Time they Joe Robbie Stadium had just gotten opened up.
Speaker 4: So first game at Joe Robbie Stadium and I'm sitting
Speaker 4: at my locker already had everything dressed ready to go,
Speaker 4: just waiting to go out for pregame, and uh, Walter
Speaker 4: Payton comes up task me on his shoulder and he goes,
Speaker 4: you nervous, And I said, no, first round pick played.
Speaker 4: I played at Michigan, you know, and then for one
Speaker 4: hundred worth, one hundred thousand people every week. He goes, well,
Speaker 4: I am. I get nervous before every game I play.
Speaker 4: I go, I usually throw up at my hum up
Speaker 4: before the game. I throw up once before every game.
Speaker 4: And he goes, I'm gonna give you a piece of
Speaker 4: advice shows get the first hit in, seek it out
Speaker 4: if you have to, but run around, hit somebody, and
Speaker 4: then all those butterflies are going away. And then he
Speaker 4: and he walked away and uh into a cloud, yeah, into.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, you know, and I was really nervous.
Speaker 4: All the butterflies were doing cartwheels in my stomach and
Speaker 4: uh yeah. I took that piece of advice with me,
Speaker 4: uh the rest of my career and uh and it works.
Speaker 4: Me go hit somebody, you know, hit somebody right at
Speaker 4: your at your offensive live and the defense get tackled.
Speaker 4: I mean, get get that first hit, uh in a
Speaker 4: football game, and those those butterflies go.
Speaker 2: I feel like kids sitting around a campfire.
Speaker 1: That nerve that nerve and then you I need that
Speaker 1: first play because the worst part of it before a game.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you remember this playing was after warm ups,
Speaker 1: going back in the locker room before you go play.
Speaker 1: And then that point, for me, it's like, god, we
Speaker 1: just we just go play now, and Souse, you just
Speaker 1: want to get that first hitting, and as soon as
Speaker 1: you get the first hit, you're like all the nervousness
Speaker 1: of what could happen is out the window.
Speaker 3: Yeah, crescendos.
Speaker 4: I mean it's like, uh, you go back in after
Speaker 4: warm ups, Hey, you go to the bathroom, you do it,
Speaker 4: you know, you get your uniform, everything feeling good and comfortable,
Speaker 4: and you're kind of sitting there and then all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, I mean, the coach, every coach has ever
Speaker 4: ever coached football, right two minutes, calls everybody up and
Speaker 4: then you just come up and you just looking at
Speaker 4: each other, right, I mean staring, Yeah, like okay, this
Speaker 4: is it, trying to go to battle and uh yeah,
Speaker 4: that's then.
Speaker 2: You run out and Butterflies get that first right down.
Speaker 2: National anthems goes on. You're trying to.
Speaker 1: Be your patriotself and you're like, you just got to
Speaker 1: play exactly that's what.
Speaker 2: That's the way you should be.
Speaker 3: That's the way you should be.
Speaker 2: I mean it should be.
Speaker 3: That's the way you should go into a game.
Speaker 4: I mean the uh like a thoroughbred racehorse when he
Speaker 4: when he when they try them out for that Bugler's
Speaker 4: call at the Kentucky Derby or whatever.
Speaker 3: I mean, the ones that are winning. I mean you
Speaker 3: can see, you can see the heart.
Speaker 4: Pounded, nostrils are flaring, eyes wide open, right, I mean
Speaker 4: they got a sweat going. I mean, this isn't like, uh,
Speaker 4: some horse that's taking people around in New York City,
Speaker 4: you know, pulling a cart.
Speaker 3: You know they're there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what your ten.
Speaker 5: But we're talking about it this morning, like you know,
Speaker 5: not naming anything, but talking about circle in a certain game.
Speaker 5: But it's just like yo, you just you got to
Speaker 5: get the fight started. Yeah, analogies just like you know,
Speaker 5: don't wait, like.
Speaker 3: Go fu school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, first one, the first one getting started. Bro, Like
Speaker 1: when you grow up and your parents talk to you
Speaker 1: about getting a fight. You never started, but you make
Speaker 1: sure you're finished it. To have a mentality like with football,
Speaker 1: is like you got to start it right away.
Speaker 2: That's the only way to do it.
Speaker 1: You go in there and you throw the first punch
Speaker 1: and then just keep swinging to you're exhausted.
Speaker 3: You a little.
Speaker 4: Uh my dad trained me, I'm gonna fight like you
Speaker 4: want to get the first.
Speaker 3: What did you do with?
Speaker 2: What do you like? Get you like? Hey, son, come
Speaker 2: down like push you.
Speaker 3: A little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my grandfather was a boxer, uh said my professional
Speaker 4: boxer had about nine fights.
Speaker 2: And uh, my dad could handle himself really well.
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, he's Uh, you never want to if
Speaker 4: you're facing off a guy, you never want to you
Speaker 4: never want to be squared to him. You want to
Speaker 4: come in a slight, slight angle, and you want to
Speaker 4: always throw the first punch and you go for the
Speaker 4: tip of the nose. Why the tip of the nose,
Speaker 4: because that's the most sensitive part and will bleed.
Speaker 3: It will first, it will bleed, you know.
Speaker 4: You know, and uh and the easiest and a lot
Speaker 4: of people when they taste their own blood there sometimes
Speaker 4: their their will and their resolve. Well yeah, well lessen mightily.
Speaker 4: So hey, you're firing me up right now. Scott in trouble.
Speaker 4: I think he'd be got up. But he's a big dude,
Speaker 4: Like he's like a little more girthy, would.
Speaker 2: You make you demonstrate and be like, all right, do
Speaker 2: you do it? He's angry to he's angry guy, Yeah, Scott,
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: He seemed calm, cool, collect But we went out to
Speaker 1: practice the next day and there was a fight or
Speaker 1: something that practice and.
Speaker 4: Look at his eye, you know, looking at Yeah, hey,
Speaker 4: would you not a little crazy matter of fact?
Speaker 5: Would you take when you saw the clip of your
Speaker 5: brother shaking Rabel's hand, they had a little disagreement.
Speaker 2: Are you sitting there like, oh yeah, John, Hey, John,
Speaker 2: don't know brother guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how he kind of gave him.
Speaker 2: That was that was I was texting.
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, throw the first punch, don't get the
Speaker 1: start out because he came in and John said something
Speaker 1: to him and Rabel kind of did this thing.
Speaker 3: Didn't look.
Speaker 2: Dog each other.
Speaker 1: Over a thing that the Titans we've done forever. Is
Speaker 1: we're just going to goes down stomp in the middle field.
Speaker 2: Happened to the Raves.
Speaker 3: Everyone taking it, Oh.
Speaker 2: No doubt they were. They were absolutely pissed. Hey, this
Speaker 2: has been awesome. It's that game too, No, not that
Speaker 2: one they did won a divisional game. Yeah, yeah, matter,
Speaker 2: but we won that game that we're talking about, the.
Speaker 1: Divisional game, y'all, the one that mattered the most. Okay,
Speaker 1: I said, y'all, like it's you, guys. Man, he's always
Speaker 1: taken on you. You strike me as a guy that
Speaker 1: and we can be done whenever you want. We're kind
Speaker 1: of just mudding the water now. But you show me
Speaker 1: as a guy that's always got his mind on ball,
Speaker 1: like constantly focused on the prize at hand, which is
Speaker 1: the Beate ten Championship. But I think the Beate ten
Speaker 1: Championship is now, like you need to obviously want to
Speaker 1: win that, but you guys made it's the playoffs this year,
Speaker 1: and so I feel like you're like your personality, the
Speaker 1: intensity in your eyes, you seem like a dude. It's
Speaker 1: like that's that's what it is now, you know, that's
Speaker 1: what we're going after.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 5: Did you used to get after it as a player,
Speaker 5: like off the field at night?
Speaker 2: No, you were like you were like.
Speaker 5: Buttoned upball American quarterback, like you know, never got into
Speaker 5: some trouble. Like all you got to say is, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: I used to get after and then that's it. I
Speaker 5: don't need a story. I'm just wondering, like.
Speaker 3: Like a lifetime ago. Yeah for having us with this show.