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Speaker 1: Get ready because class is almost in session. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Therapy for Black Girls University podcast taylored for the

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Speaker 1: twenty something who's packing for a new year on campus,

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Speaker 1: thinking through their gap year, enrolling in community college, grabbing

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Speaker 1: your souls for graduation, and everything in between. I'm your

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Speaker 1: host and tvgu coordinator Jana Ellis.

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm sorrya Taylor. We'll return to Jana right after

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Speaker 2: the break.

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Speaker 1: There are lots of stereotypes that come with being a

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Speaker 1: member of gen Z, but few are truer than the

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Speaker 1: idea of us having a poor attention span, make obsess

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Speaker 1: with TikTok, and hating to consume media if it's not

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Speaker 1: in a short form package. On her way to solve

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Speaker 1: this crisis of media literacy that has consumed our generation

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Speaker 1: is self proclaimed media literate hottie in Today's Guest, Kelsey Russell.

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Speaker 1: Kelsey Russell is an entrepreneur, influencer, and podcaster with the

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Speaker 1: goal of using print media as a vehicle for promoting

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Speaker 1: better emotional regulation when interacting with the news. This mantra

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Speaker 1: comes to life on her TikTok page of nearly one

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand followers, where she dynamically reads different newspapers and

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Speaker 1: magazines to her audience. In our conversation today, Kelsey and

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Speaker 1: I discuss how to peep which news outlets are credible

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Speaker 1: and which ones aren't, why it's important to continue to

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Speaker 1: engage with print media as opposed to all digital, and

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Speaker 1: why may not be wise to get all your news

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Speaker 3: Here's our conversation.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much Kelsey for being here with us.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited to talk all things media literacy

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Speaker 1: with you. For starters, for those in our audience who

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Speaker 1: aren't familiar with your content, can you tell us a

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Speaker 1: little bit about what you do on TikTok?

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Speaker 4: Sure? So, I have a TikTok page that has about

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Speaker 4: two thousand followers, and I read different forms of print

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Speaker 4: media almost every day, specifically magazines and newspapers, and I

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Speaker 4: use print media as a vehicle to help gen Z

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Speaker 4: and also other generations understand that it's helpful for media literacy,

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Speaker 4: promoting a natural sense of curiosity and also to ease anxiety.

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Speaker 4: So that's what my page is mainly about.

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Speaker 1: And you've definitely have educated me vastly on in all

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Speaker 1: things MADA literacy, and since educating your audience on the

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Speaker 1: appointance of media literacy. What has been your most enjoyable experience?

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Speaker 4: Oh, that is a great question. I think my favorite

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Speaker 4: experience so far has to be the intergenerational audience that

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Speaker 4: I have built because I am using print media. Pretty

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Speaker 4: much anybody who is I kind of like to estimate

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Speaker 4: over eighteen or in their early twenties has had an

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Speaker 4: experience with the newspaper, either somebody reading it in front

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Speaker 4: then everybody older than us has an experience with the

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Speaker 4: newspaper because at one point it was pretty much the

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Speaker 4: very common form of consuming media and households. So because

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Speaker 4: of that, I'm able to create an audience that spans

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Speaker 4: across generations and also realizes that media, as divisive as

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Speaker 4: when you realize like the nostalgia of newspapers. So I'll

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Speaker 4: have to say my intergenerational audience is my favorite experience,

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Speaker 4: but I do have some more like tangible in person

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And in your own words, what does it mean

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, So there's actually like a whole graph and

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Speaker 4: a whole two system of how to be media literate.

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Speaker 4: But I like to start with being media literate is

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Speaker 4: being more comfortable asking the question why why am I

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Speaker 4: what am I reading? Why is this website? Why is

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Speaker 4: this corporation? Why is this local newspaper writing this story? Why?

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Speaker 4: And how have my biases that I have shaped the

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Speaker 4: So I believe media literacy is really the ability to

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Speaker 4: And it's very important for gen Z because, like we're

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Speaker 3: Thank you for walking us through that.

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Speaker 1: And what are some like green flags that can mean

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's a good question. So my favorite thing is

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Speaker 4: how do you handle mistakes? Like, girl, how you making

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Speaker 4: mistakes all the time? We all do. And a good

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Speaker 4: credible source is always going to have a section that

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Speaker 4: as we wrote this author's name, or we credited this

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Speaker 4: Are they acknowledging their mistakes? Because regardless of how credible

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Speaker 4: make mistakes. So are they acknowledging those mistakes? Also, using

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Speaker 4: like a quick Google search is always good. Right, who's

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Speaker 4: Not that if you look a certain way, you're less credible.

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Speaker 4: But that also speaks to media bias. I recommend that

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Speaker 4: people there's a media bias chart that is Google. It's

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Speaker 4: like really all across Google, and it'll show you in

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Speaker 4: a chart. It's like one of those four charts of one,

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Speaker 4: how right and how left the media you're consuming is,

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Speaker 4: and also how credible it is. So I oftentimes refer

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Speaker 4: to that chart, and also whose voices are they using? Right,

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Speaker 4: if it's a local community and you're only seeing a

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Speaker 4: And then more importantly, like I said, bring it in person.

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Speaker 4: If you read something in your concern, ask your friends

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Speaker 4: have they seen this? What did they see on their

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Speaker 4: channels on their algorithm? In person? And that's usually how

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Speaker 1: And on the other hand, what are some red flags

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like no sorts of supporting evidence, which requires us

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Speaker 4: one side not that credible to me, or looking for

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Speaker 4: things that aren't credible, right, yeah, so that's not credible.

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Speaker 4: And also I just brought up spelling errors, but certain

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Speaker 4: spelling errors must be unavoidable, right, Like it's on your

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Speaker 4: check would realize. So red flag for me as well.

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Speaker 1: Like you could definitely I put that in chat GPT

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because let's not act like we're not. First of all,

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Speaker 4: you can even tell how many of these articles are

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Speaker 4: being written by AI in the newspaper, which is really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Right yeah, So thank you for walking us through the

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Speaker 1: red flags and the green flags of these news outlets.

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Speaker 1: And you may have seen some of the memes around

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Speaker 1: people believing any headline if it's written like a shade

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that is a great question. I'll give

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Speaker 4: an example USA today. They were one of the first

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Speaker 4: newspapers to print in color, and also like use certain

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Speaker 4: being green, living in arts being purple. So I think

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Speaker 4: fonts that are just taken more seriously, like Times. I

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Speaker 4: don't know if you've seen that TikTok where it was

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Speaker 4: it was funny, it was cute. I was like, as

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Speaker 4: Talking about comic sands like no one takes them seriously.

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Speaker 4: to be credible. So I always so people be cautious.

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Speaker 4: So like, once again, why do the shade rooms post

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Speaker 4: And oftentimes those sponts are a little more boring. They're

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Speaker 4: once again, their purpose isn't to simply just get.

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Speaker 3: Clicked, right, and the clicks they do get.

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Speaker 4: They do I follow them up.

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Speaker 3: I did too, I did too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was negative. The only thing I felt like

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Speaker 3: I had to protect my piece. It was just negative.

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Speaker 4: Consistently, it was very negative, and I was like, I'll

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Speaker 4: So that is all love to the readers of the Shapers, right, Yes.

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Speaker 1: So you talked a little bit earlier about AI. How

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Speaker 4: Ooh, that's a great question that I've actually talked to

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Speaker 4: organizations about. It's about for them finding ways to integrate

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Speaker 4: quick information that needs to be looked up. AI is

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Speaker 4: a tool they're using. I see it in the future

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Speaker 4: more transparent amongst when we are using AI. However, i'm

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Speaker 4: a student myself, I would just ask for more transparency

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Speaker 4: because we're all using it. However, is slowly becoming the norm,

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Speaker 4: So I see it being a disruptor if we allow

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Speaker 4: it to in a tool, if we fight for it

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Speaker 4: to be one. So that's how I see it playing

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Speaker 3: I love how you phrased that. That's a great point.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize I guess before you said it, how

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Speaker 1: normal AI is becoming, especially in how we write and

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Speaker 3: So that was a great perspective.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you. Yeah. Even my professor I was

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Speaker 4: Like the way I'm literally planning trips with aiiilleries so Ryeah,

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Speaker 4: I just appreciate if you check in on me. This

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Speaker 1: I love that and thank you for your vulnerability. I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, girl, that part is weird and like I forgot

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Speaker 4: Like I feel like that's that's a whole other thing

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Speaker 3: That's a whole other one.

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Speaker 4: the buzzfeeds, and like the newsletters and the substacks. Right,

437
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Speaker 4: So I don't think we watch it one because nobody looks, talks,

438
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Speaker 4: and acts like us. That's on there too. We have

439
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 4: literally watched the decline of these institutions, so it's hard

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Speaker 4: to rebuild trust. And then we all, as were brains developed,

441
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Speaker 4: we all went into like these little different There was

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Speaker 4: not pixinn or Fox or MSNBC. It was like, you

443
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Speaker 4: don't even have to pick one. You can pick my

444
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Speaker 4: friends substack, or you can pick this random person on

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Speaker 4: Twitter that I follow. So I just think all of

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Speaker 4: those combined is why we are not interested in the tradition.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to some of my friends and we

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Speaker 1: all remember that twenty sixteen era of news and genuinely

449
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Speaker 1: thinking about it. I have not been interested to watch

450
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Speaker 1: or motivated as much as I was at fifteen to

451
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Speaker 1: turn and on CNN and just get my daily recap

452
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Speaker 1: of the day or of the week, because it burned

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Speaker 1: me out in high school. The back and forth, the lies,

454
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Speaker 1: the misinformation, the skewed perspectives. It burned me out and

455
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Speaker 1: so now I'm having to redefine how to digest news.

456
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Speaker 1: But I just remember that being so significant to me,

457
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Speaker 1: like every day, it was so constant, and that was

458
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Speaker 1: just exhausting and I didn't want anything to do with it.

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Speaker 4: I love the perspective you bring because I feel like

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Speaker 4: something you reminded me of is too, like watching Trayvon

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Speaker 4: Martin's case when we were in elementary, middle school, like

462
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Speaker 4: beginning high school, like this generation, I mean from a

463
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Speaker 4: very young age of when we had the vocabulary and

464
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Speaker 4: the emotions and the thoughts to be like this is wrong,

465
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Speaker 4: and you have new sources saying no, this is the law,

466
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Speaker 4: this is what's supposed to happen. So it's interesting when

467
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Speaker 4: I hear people talk about our generation, I like, there's

468
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Speaker 4: not interested. But if we look historically, news for older

469
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Speaker 4: generations was something that you consume when you got older.

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Speaker 4: It was a part of adulthood. And for us, we

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Speaker 4: saw the adults consuming news that was terrible. Like to us,

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Speaker 4: I think that there is a lot of grace and

473
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Speaker 4: history that also needs to be looked at in gen

474
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Speaker 4: z and are just really bad relationship with traditional news.

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Speaker 1: So why shouldn't we only seek out news sources that

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Speaker 1: are catering to gen z.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's a great question. I mean, listen. I always

478
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Speaker 4: like to give a silly answer and an interview answer,

479
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Speaker 4: so I'll give my silly answer. First. Don't you want

480
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Speaker 4: to be able to talk to anybody? And if you're

481
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Speaker 4: an introvert, don't you want to be able to check

482
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Speaker 4: people up like one of the best, like whichever one

483
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Speaker 4: you are. Listen. It is knowledge is such a pleasure

484
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Speaker 4: to have, and knowledge does not mean I know how

485
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Speaker 4: to multiply this well, part of it, you know, But

486
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Speaker 4: it's not that I know what Socrates did. It's collecting

487
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Speaker 4: things that naturally interest you. And the more you read

488
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Speaker 4: outside of what you're comfortable with, the more you learn

489
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Speaker 4: about interest that you didn't even know you had. And

490
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Speaker 4: then that is when you really start to develop a

491
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Speaker 4: sense of self and you start to, like I said,

492
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Speaker 4: become more confident in that little niche, weird thing that

493
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Speaker 4: you like because you find out that there's actually a

494
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Speaker 4: bunch of sixty year olds who care about this too,

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Speaker 4: And now you're realizing you have community outside of your

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Speaker 4: age group, outside of people that look like you, walk

497
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Speaker 4: like you, talk like you, live like you. So I

498
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Speaker 4: say that it's important to read outside of what we're

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Speaker 4: comfortable with. One so you can find people that represent

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Speaker 4: your story that you wouldn't expect, and also so you

501
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Speaker 4: can just gain insight into what other people are thinking.

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Speaker 4: I mean, think strategy. Like if you're going to interview

503
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Speaker 4: for a job and everybody in there is like in

504
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Speaker 4: their fifties and you read a source that they might

505
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Speaker 4: be reading, do you know how I'm like, oh, yeah,

506
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Speaker 4: I read the Wall Street Journal. They're like, what now

507
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Speaker 4: they want to hire me and they don't even know

508
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Speaker 4: what I do who I am. So look at it

509
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Speaker 4: as an opportunity to grow personally, professionally and just find

510
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Speaker 4: what your natural.

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Speaker 3: Interest knowledge is. That's fun too, fun, get fun.

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Speaker 4: And it's the one thing no one can literally take

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Speaker 4: away what you know, like nobody, and that's that's so

514
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 4: important the black community too. That is something that is

515
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Speaker 4: ingrained in us from a very young age, but no

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Speaker 4: one can take that away from you at all.

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Speaker 1: So what are some of your favorite weird, niche things

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Speaker 1: that you've come across since reading more news in print media.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, this is a great question, man. I have

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00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 4: this probably is a very niche interest, but I have

521
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 4: become way more fascinated with its is sad with the

522
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Speaker 4: relationship between pharmaceuticals and food, Like I've always know what

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Speaker 4: it is, but like all of these small things, the

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Speaker 4: company that makes I don't want to be fully quoted

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Speaker 4: on this, but for example, like a company that makes

526
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Speaker 4: one of the most popular drugs for depression owns a

527
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Speaker 4: data company that has all the data for poultry across

528
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Speaker 4: the United States. Why would they need to know how

529
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Speaker 4: chickens are feeling? Why would they need to know that?

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Speaker 4: So I want to say, like my niche interests have

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Speaker 4: to do. I come from a family of entrepreneurship, so

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Speaker 4: I think, like my mind is business oriented, and like,

533
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Speaker 4: what does it actually mean that this company is owned

534
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Speaker 4: by this parent company and this parent company owns a

535
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Speaker 4: subsidiary completely opposite. How are they communicating with each other?

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Speaker 4: And man? Like, I also would just say I've become

537
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Speaker 4: a little fascinated with the way hospitals work. I've been

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Speaker 4: reading a lot more about hospitals, how those work, Like

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Speaker 4: they're extreme private and public. So now I can talk about.

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Speaker 1: So many No I love like tell me more, like

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Speaker 1: tell me walking back through. I love it, I love it,

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Speaker 1: I love.

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Speaker 2: It Hi, I'm sorry, Taylor. We'll return to Jana right

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Speaker 2: after the break.

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Speaker 1: So several publications have made headlines over the past few

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Speaker 1: years for laying off their editorial departments, with news such

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Speaker 1: as this causing concern. What do you hope is the

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Speaker 1: future for the journalism industry?

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Speaker 4: Great question. I mean, I hope that the journalism and

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Speaker 4: newspaper industry has more faith in itself. That's the first thing.

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Speaker 4: I think that both some of the best people, best journalists,

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Speaker 4: best editors, best anything that I've talked to, have faith

553
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Speaker 4: in the newspaper. They believe and they believe in a cause,

554
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Speaker 4: which is the one thing. And I also hope the

555
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Speaker 4: future of newspapers really looks at We're watching a very

556
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Speaker 4: traditional form of media lose its population as they age.

557
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Speaker 4: So I hope newspapers could figure out a way to

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Speaker 4: continuously invigorate the youngest generation, which will be jin alpha

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Speaker 4: right now. I think newspapers should think more about the

560
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Speaker 4: future of how are we included the youngest of youngest

561
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Speaker 4: voices in this Are they a part of our readership?

562
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Speaker 4: Should they be reading to see? Does this word make sense?

563
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Speaker 4: Can we bring them in for summer camps like in

564
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Speaker 4: some way, how can we make sure they're always involved.

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Speaker 4: And also I would love for newspapers to think more

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Speaker 4: strategically about how they can be involved in the schools,

567
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Speaker 4: like newspapers are an amazing way to get around curriculum

568
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Speaker 4: bands right, Like it's not a book, it's literally freedom

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Speaker 4: of the press. You can't take that away. So I

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Speaker 4: would love for newspapers to become more creative and not

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Speaker 4: think of themselves as Hey, we are a trusted source

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Speaker 4: to give you information. We are a source to help

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Speaker 4: your curiosity. We're a source to help you on your

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Speaker 4: ever going learning journey and want to be a part

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Speaker 4: of your life.

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Speaker 1: What you just mentioned reminding me of I can't remember

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Speaker 1: the name of it, but it was like a CNN

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Speaker 1: ten minute rundown of the world when we were in

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Speaker 1: school and my teacher I forgot what they were like. Well,

580
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Speaker 1: those were so much fun as a child, like I

581
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Speaker 1: remember loving it and getting so much information about what's

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Speaker 1: going on.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what happened to them, you're right.

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Speaker 4: And then there was the other one on YouTube. I

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Speaker 4: don't know if what was like the animated people that

586
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Speaker 4: would do like the yearly round up wrap up. I

587
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Speaker 4: can't remember what that one.

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Speaker 3: Was, but did me either, But they were great.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we're still doing those those educational

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Speaker 1: ways of connecting young people to the media, but we

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Speaker 1: need to bring that back.

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Speaker 3: You need to bring it back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, bring the kids into toward the studio. Kids

594
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Speaker 4: are like, they love experiences, so they're kind of easy.

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Speaker 4: So like just make it like this sounds bad if

596
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Speaker 4: you get I'm excited, they're awesome. So just like ring

597
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Speaker 4: them bit, give them some candy and let them have

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Speaker 4: a day.

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Speaker 1: So what are some of your favorite publications, podcasts, or

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Speaker 1: social media pages where people can find good, accurate news.

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Speaker 4: God is a great question. I crazy enough, even those

602
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Speaker 4: owned by Bezos. I love the Washington Post, like I

603
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Speaker 4: really do. I just praise not in those meetings like that.

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Speaker 4: They never pray anything negative about Amazon though, so maybe

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Speaker 4: that's all he hears about. But love the Washington Post.

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Speaker 4: Let me think. In terms of magazines, Mother Jones is

607
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Speaker 4: a fantastic nonprofit run magazine, one of the first nonprofit magazines.

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Speaker 4: High Country News. Never thought I'd be interested in what's

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Speaker 4: going out in the western part of America, but it's

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Speaker 4: very interesting because you have many people who live in

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Speaker 4: rural Western America that they might not agree with what

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Speaker 4: their state is agreeing with, and they might not be

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Speaker 4: super liberal per se. And it's affecting how they're getting healthcare.

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Speaker 4: So all of those things. And I would have to say,

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Speaker 4: I'm a bad podcaster. I'm a bad podcaster, so I

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Speaker 4: typically listen when people send me, but I don't quite know.

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Speaker 1: So really recommendation I love. I will have to get

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Speaker 1: into those media outlets.

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Speaker 3: They sound great. But yeah, thank you so much for sharing.

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Speaker 2: You're fine, I.

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Speaker 4: Have two more. I'm sorry I forgot about what was it? Oh?

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Speaker 4: San Quentin News is a really good one, and they

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Speaker 4: are actually completely written and run by folks who are

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Speaker 4: incarcerated at the San Quentin prisons. So it's all about

625
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Speaker 4: folks in prisons, prison reform, what's going on, So to

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Speaker 4: ever get a peek into probably life some have never

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Speaker 4: seen or had a family member experience.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for sharing that, Kelsey.

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Speaker 1: Are there any essential texts you think Black women stories

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Speaker 1: tellers should read.

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Speaker 4: That's a great question. I would recommend they read push

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Speaker 4: Out and it is by Monique W. Morris and it's

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Speaker 4: the criminalization of Black girls in school. And I think

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Speaker 4: that it is important as somebody who is an educational advocate,

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Speaker 4: a lifelong learner. It's all about, essentially, how black girls,

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Speaker 4: instead of being reprimanded in school, they are pushed out

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Speaker 4: of the school system and into situations that might lead

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Speaker 4: them into incarceration or trafficking because of a school system

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Speaker 4: that does not pull them in and set pushes them out.

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Speaker 4: And I say it's important because as somebody who's committed

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Speaker 4: to learning, I think it's important we think about non

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Speaker 4: traditional ways for our young black girls to learn because

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Speaker 4: many of the structures that they're within are not conducive

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Speaker 4: to them. So how does that change our relationship with learning?

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Speaker 4: What does it teach us about coping? When we are

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Speaker 4: good at school, we're not good at school? And so

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Speaker 4: I also like to recommend this book because I tell

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Speaker 4: non black people and some and just in general, being

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Speaker 4: a black woman is like the most hyper visible and

650
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Speaker 4: hyper invisible experience ever. You walk in a room and

651
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Speaker 4: people will act like you're not there, But as soon

652
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Speaker 4: as you open your mouth or as soon as you

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Speaker 4: do something against the status quo, all eyes are on you.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like this is a great book that

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Speaker 6: Actually be thank you for this sounds great of course,

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Speaker 6: of course, so I'm curious where do you see your

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Speaker 6: platform going in the next five years?

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Speaker 4: Oh fine, you sound like my dad too, So I

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Speaker 4: really I'd say long term and then five years I

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Speaker 4: would love to own my own media company that makes

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Speaker 4: I say, education, entertaining, entertainment, educational. I want to create

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Speaker 4: something where it's like Sesame Street for all ages, right,

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Speaker 4: like you need to know you can learn and it

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Speaker 4: can be fun. And that's long term. So the next

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Speaker 4: five years look like working on that in any way

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Speaker 4: that I can so more content for me coming out.

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Speaker 4: As much as I am a bad podcaster, I will

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Speaker 4: have a podcast coming out by summary, Kay, expect long

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Speaker 4: form content for me of me reading full newspapers. And

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Speaker 4: I would also say a lot more public speaking in

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Speaker 4: terms of invigorating like youth and just older audiences fall

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Speaker 4: in love with learning, how can we use print media?

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Speaker 4: And I also we'll see it by the next five years, definitely,

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Speaker 4: I'll be in a PhD program either for something in

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Speaker 4: terms of like educational tools or media or communications learning

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Speaker 4: and then hopefully on someone's TV screen. Honestly, in the

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Speaker 4: next five years, I've always wanted to be like if Jens,

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Speaker 4: if Wendy Williamson, Oprah had a baby. So hopefully somewhere

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Speaker 4: on that path of delivering the news I.

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Speaker 1: Love and I'm so excited to see all these plans unfold,

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Speaker 1: so excited for you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: So tell me where can we keep up with you?

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Speaker 1: What are your social media handles?

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Speaker 4: Sure? All my social media handles are the same k

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Speaker 4: E L s c r U s kelscress, It's Kelse

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Speaker 4: rust but people all whatever, and you can find me

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Speaker 4: there on Instagram, on LinkedIn, on YouTube soon. You can

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Speaker 4: also check out my link tree and TikTok of course,

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Speaker 4: and I'm private on Twitter and we'll stay that. So

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Speaker 4: I guess no, literally, I need a job.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much Kelsey for talking with me today.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it so much.

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Speaker 4: It was amazing and shout out.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank Kelsey once again for joining us

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Speaker 1: for this episode. Classes over for now, but before we dismiss,

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Speaker 1: here's some homework to take home with you. Locate the

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Speaker 1: nearest library to your house and consider registering for a

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Speaker 1: library card. They're free and a great way to begin

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Speaker 1: re engaging with physical media. Discover what's important to you

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Speaker 1: when it comes to what makes a good source. Consider

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Speaker 1: making a list of these characteristics and using them to

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Speaker 1: field any outlet you read. Moving forward, the next time

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Speaker 1: a friend or family member post some shady news, brainstorm

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Speaker 1: how you might guide them into uplifting something more credible.

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Speaker 1: To learn more about the work Kelsey is doing, or

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Speaker 1: to do more research on this topic, be sure to

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Speaker 1: visit Therapy for Black Girls dot com slash tvgu This

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Speaker 1: episode was produced by Elise Ellis and Zaria Taylor.

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Speaker 3: Editing is by Dennis and L. Bradford.