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Speaker 1: Not with my homeboys. Jill and you all know what
Speaker 1: it is, man. You know what, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff going on. I was talking to eight earlier, man,
Speaker 1: and it seemed like we just on the repeat of
Speaker 1: these ass bumpings and these killers that these police officers
Speaker 1: are doing. Man. It's just like at the while, you're
Speaker 1: just like, damn another one. Man. Uh. You know, we
Speaker 1: found out that the police officer man and killed the
Speaker 1: young brother Dante right doing the traffic stop, saying that
Speaker 1: she must techndly drew her pistol instead of a tasan.
Speaker 1: Then we had an army officer to get pepper strated
Speaker 1: and stumped out. Man. It's like this is just a
Speaker 1: recurrent theme right now, and I don't want to just
Speaker 1: like I don't want to rehash a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: stuff that's been said already. Man. But them, I don't
Speaker 1: think that's wherever the end has been going on since
Speaker 1: the sixties. Man, it's been going sixty sixties. The only
Speaker 1: difference is now, man, as we got folks with their
Speaker 1: camera phones out and everything else. Man, what with y'all
Speaker 1: fail to realize that that with the the Trump ship
Speaker 1: and all the other ship that's been going on, and
Speaker 1: then people that ready to Capital some of them. Some
Speaker 1: of them people were army people, police, the whole nine.
Speaker 1: You have white racist people and law enforcement, and they're
Speaker 1: showing you that they're racist. This ship ain't gonna stop
Speaker 1: unless the courts start locking these motherfucker's up and and
Speaker 1: they're not gonna do all of them. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: lock all of them mouths. So I mean, whether you reply,
Speaker 1: whether you get out the car and lay on your
Speaker 1: motherfucking billy or whatever, it don't matter. Ship ain't gonna stop.
Speaker 1: You're doing we got to do with this ship. There's
Speaker 1: never no surprise, man. I don't I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: even I don't understand how motherfucker's don't realize how you know?
Speaker 1: To us, this is no shock, Like you said, it's
Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of repetitious and ship because it's
Speaker 1: the normal for niggers that grew up in that situation. Man,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Accidental shootings or getting your
Speaker 1: ass what about the police or ship was what we
Speaker 1: learned to accept when we grew up in the motherfucking hood.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Uh, A lot of us
Speaker 1: motherfucker's wasn't out on on the on the corners, or
Speaker 1: didn't give a fuck if we was getting dropped off
Speaker 1: and enemy hoods or getting all asses beat in jail
Speaker 1: by the CEO s or any of that ship. It
Speaker 1: was normal territory. I mean, so it's kind of like
Speaker 1: repetitious behavior that you keep seeing. But it's just the fact,
Speaker 1: like you said, everybody got sucking camera phones and everybody's
Speaker 1: so curious to see what these cops do to motherfucker's
Speaker 1: because of you know, my man George Floyd or all
Speaker 1: anybody else who's lost their life due to this era
Speaker 1: of social media. But man, I grew up in a
Speaker 1: time when it wasn't computers or social media and ship,
Speaker 1: it was the normal ship. You got your ask what
Speaker 1: by the police and somebody got killed, he wasn't running
Speaker 1: down to the police station to report, you feel me?
Speaker 1: Because it was something that we was branded into. That's
Speaker 1: the dangerous part thought you got. You got the wheenie
Speaker 1: cats want to be somebody, just like half of the
Speaker 1: goddamn police and law enforcements was getting bullied and plunked
Speaker 1: by certain motherfucker's. But now they got that title, they
Speaker 1: can do anything, and they want to do anything just
Speaker 1: to prove that they not pussies. I can sit here
Speaker 1: and enable a whole bunch of motherfucker's out this way
Speaker 1: that did this ship and and being plunked a whole nine,
Speaker 1: But now they're considered that the hitters. Fuck that. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That's just like when niggas go
Speaker 1: to prison and come home buff. I tell them a
Speaker 1: fucker like this, just because you got buff don't mean
Speaker 1: your your hands are no better than what they want.
Speaker 1: Before you start living weights, you're the same motherfucker. He
Speaker 1: can't put no ways from that. You can't put it here.
Speaker 1: You feel me, it don't happen like that. So just
Speaker 1: need to just really see the reality of what what
Speaker 1: what game banging is and the structure other ship. If
Speaker 1: you don't understand that, you're fighting the lost cast because
Speaker 1: all the odds against us anyway you feel me, whether
Speaker 1: you're in Chicago, Atlanta, California, the whole nine, it's all
Speaker 1: designed the same motherfucking way. But it takes and I
Speaker 1: noticed it takes us until we get to our parties.
Speaker 1: It takes us til we get to our fitties to
Speaker 1: really realize that ship A smart motherfucker that get it
Speaker 1: and his kids is the motherfucker. Other than that, I
Speaker 1: ride with the homeies, you know what I'm saying, Yeah
Speaker 1: for real man. And you know we got some brothers
Speaker 1: man from Chicago to night Man, Shot towns on speeding
Speaker 1: up mobsters Man, the only big rig Man, Turtle Banks
Speaker 1: Man and lifting Stokes Man. How y'all fellers doing night Man?
Speaker 1: Blast blast? Laugh? What's good? Man? So we're talking about
Speaker 1: this thing, man, and the thing that like, um, I
Speaker 1: would say, Man, really as far as game Coachu go man,
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and Chicago, Man, it's probably two of the
Speaker 1: main cities in the country, the first that's been having
Speaker 1: to cracking like since the sixties. Would y'all agree yeah
Speaker 1: on that? Yeah? And so like I was talking to
Speaker 1: you a little bit off camera, Rig earlier about just
Speaker 1: the differences. You were breaking it down to meet on
Speaker 1: how Chicago go. I know, um, how to You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of politics go in Chicago. You know, witside
Speaker 1: is the dis the southside is is that and everything? Man,
Speaker 1: with the level of crime that y'all got, Man, because
Speaker 1: we alsome killing motherfucker's in Chicago. Man, you know what
Speaker 1: it's always been that it's just pubicide right now, and
Speaker 1: like Chicago a mob a mob city, meaning like the
Speaker 1: move with stocksu So you gotta take when a day
Speaker 1: or when those stocksures. But we still got schluck, if
Speaker 1: that makes sense. So it's you know, it is what
Speaker 1: it is right now. And it's like when the the
Speaker 1: sayers knew what they was doing. Man, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. In the early two thousands, they was taking
Speaker 1: away all the cheese on the street. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It was sweeping. They were sweeping the street,
Speaker 1: taking away all the gang leaders. They do. Once you
Speaker 1: knock the head off, we got a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: roaches and rattings and roaches and wrestles running away. You
Speaker 1: know I'm saying, ain't no guidance, ain't no long You
Speaker 1: know it's Chicago, and how y'all have looked to each
Speaker 1: tough and like that. But you know, we got longs,
Speaker 1: we got laws, we got order. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: We do prayers and everything. It's a whole different type
Speaker 1: of structure with our gang culture. And it's like they
Speaker 1: got to the way, man, ain't nun with just violence
Speaker 1: and ain't no upliftment. It ain't no larning and no
Speaker 1: cheese giving, no guidance, Ain't no O G. S telling
Speaker 1: the shout he's are smacking the shoulda when you're out
Speaker 1: of pocket. Ain't none of that, okay? Would you say?
Speaker 1: Because I know back then, like as far as Chicago
Speaker 1: go y'all had gang leaders like you see ahead about
Speaker 1: the structure. It was serious. They almost ran that ship
Speaker 1: like a business. Yeah it could you come on the
Speaker 1: block kicking off nothing unless you've got okay. If you
Speaker 1: did what it was your head, you was getting the
Speaker 1: funking head. You might be sucking up. But five hours
Speaker 1: and dollar day block over there was a goofy ship.
Speaker 1: So you know you had to get the okay to
Speaker 1: do stuff. You had to get okay. You know talking
Speaker 1: to James about you know, talking to James he is
Speaker 1: the originator of law and order um and he always
Speaker 1: talks about that, like as far as God's main guard
Speaker 1: the young people with certain principles and stuff like that. Man,
Speaker 1: So would you say the lection you're saying that the
Speaker 1: lack of leadership and O. G. S wing the penitentiary
Speaker 1: kind of sparked all this killing, this reckless killing us
Speaker 1: going on in Chicago, with that exactly a you know,
Speaker 1: games man, and nobody do the hold of the hold
Speaker 1: of the the accountable play and our date were accountable for
Speaker 1: any action anything, you know, and that law. We had
Speaker 1: to learn that, we had to understand that, we can
Speaker 1: know that. Then we had to the consequence. So we
Speaker 1: used got a gang of people outside. They're just more constable,
Speaker 1: the just the right thing, old managed really and forget
Speaker 1: the old one, all right, hold on, hold on, let's
Speaker 1: drop a commercial real quick. We gotta pay some bills
Speaker 1: in here, yeah, for sure. So so lifty, your name
Speaker 1: comes from a notorious figure in Chicago. Man, I wanted
Speaker 1: to always ask you, well you related to the he
Speaker 1: wanted the living Stokes. No, you know, when I came
Speaker 1: to my name now, I was like, I didn't want
Speaker 1: to be like, you know, the New York niggas man
Speaker 1: he was in all that Gambino, all that old Italian ship.
Speaker 1: I wanted to come with some people that come from
Speaker 1: our color, our culture in the game and made it big.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know, I can't with the fruiting Stokes,
Speaker 1: lifting Stokes. I'm like, I'm gonna be lifting stops, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And represent for that. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna do the tag and ship there's gangs because around
Speaker 1: that time everybody was this and that, don since in
Speaker 1: you only and all this other stuff, right because they
Speaker 1: don't like they don't like us anybody. Why the fu
Speaker 1: you don't take their name back? That's invest in real
Speaker 1: ship bro. So man, and um, I know these younger
Speaker 1: cats in Chicago, man, as far as that whole drial.
Speaker 1: Soon that they got down there, man, they really like that.
Speaker 1: They really want it man, and like and them factions
Speaker 1: that they got up because there's so many, like I
Speaker 1: don't heard more women and all these different names or
Speaker 1: those newer factors. Are those newer factions of like the
Speaker 1: older games? Yeah? Yeah, basically what y'all gotta win up
Speaker 1: was like for some reason the gang Coach had really
Speaker 1: exploded in the two dollars of teens and levels, and
Speaker 1: all you got was a bunch of game branging niggas
Speaker 1: who weren't even wrapping, but they got famous all the
Speaker 1: game banging, and they was like, man, how did we
Speaker 1: make some money off one? And like, what's seeing that
Speaker 1: started rapping? So then you get some chief keys and
Speaker 1: little dirts them they just come straight from the slum
Speaker 1: gang banging, didn't have nothing else to do. It was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn the rapping. So Chicago people, we ain't
Speaker 1: got no industry in Chicago. Really, you know, I'm ain't
Speaker 1: no movies, ain't no music, ain't no labels up here.
Speaker 1: So people got a real missing exception of Chicago. In
Speaker 1: Chicago funked up, they didn't. You gotta be real, like
Speaker 1: the New York niggas knew I train it. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be a character. You commonly gotta fucked up anything. They
Speaker 1: really gotta put the murders in and let you know that.
Speaker 1: They they got tim burnt bodies in one of they
Speaker 1: built to make some music and get famous, and then
Speaker 1: they just caught on. And then you got niggas in
Speaker 1: New Glork doing a drill London and they really think
Speaker 1: that's the ship the way they go. But really there
Speaker 1: was so s they just got yeah, just hard, they explained.
Speaker 1: But y'all was supposed to get there, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And it was real ship that was going on,
Speaker 1: and they got exposed and cloud as a motherfucker men famous,
Speaker 1: everybody no famous. The worst social media that social media
Speaker 1: as a motherfucker. Like I seen it. I mean you
Speaker 1: can tell because, like I said, a lot of the rap,
Speaker 1: you know, was was basically said, you get me. A
Speaker 1: lot of the rap was just it was cent trip
Speaker 1: and it wasn't really rap. It was nigga the homie
Speaker 1: killed your homie. Uh, you know, we from this block,
Speaker 1: you know, fuck your bitch, fuck your whatever. Fuck if
Speaker 1: you ain't from this hood. It wasn't really wrapped. It
Speaker 1: was really like a lot of just what I called
Speaker 1: banging one you feel me. And then because of social
Speaker 1: media and because of the the adolescence in the hip
Speaker 1: hop right now, niggas took that as the new form
Speaker 1: of rap. You give me, Papa purposet, Papa pill Uh,
Speaker 1: fuck your bitch killed your nigga. I killed him. I
Speaker 1: killed him. You know, we give a funk about them.
Speaker 1: That's just really a lot of banging on wax on
Speaker 1: some real ship, niggas beefing on records to their neighborhoods
Speaker 1: and getting popular because the kids, like my son, he's sixteen,
Speaker 1: he loved that ship. You give me, he loved that ship.
Speaker 1: When niggas talking about nigga, I came through. I popped
Speaker 1: the bitch the homie call the murder. You know, you
Speaker 1: ain't gonna do ship. You ain't gonna pull that pistol. Nigga.
Speaker 1: He loved a little Dirk ship and the King ship
Speaker 1: and all that. He loves that ship. That's my son.
Speaker 1: He didn't wanted my son. And I got a son
Speaker 1: to play ball at usc no you know, young name,
Speaker 1: and he put me up on all that because when
Speaker 1: we used to go to them tournaments and seven of seven,
Speaker 1: that's all he was banging. The car was a little
Speaker 1: dirt and King Vonolim and I noticed that left the
Speaker 1: fathers that these short he's taking the reps. It's sound
Speaker 1: a little too real, you feel I'm saying, you listen, ship,
Speaker 1: I mean like on our aspect. You know, I talked
Speaker 1: about drive bomb music. I talked about what happened with
Speaker 1: niggas pulled drive bins in the effects of the death
Speaker 1: in the community and whatever. I didn't get on records,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, I knew a nigga who got
Speaker 1: killed from so and so hood, and I got on
Speaker 1: record and said, yeah, y'all hold me from so and
Speaker 1: so got killed. Nigga. He didn't to do that type
Speaker 1: of ship. You know what I'm saying, but today it's
Speaker 1: the like I said, with the youth and the popularity
Speaker 1: of social media and listening to that, and they look
Speaker 1: at these young niggers and they be like all day
Speaker 1: that nigga at my nick you know. So it kind
Speaker 1: of drove that aspect of what music is today. You
Speaker 1: feel me, because that's what some time it was some
Speaker 1: different ship. Whatever we came up and music was to us,
Speaker 1: or when we tried to explain tales from the hood,
Speaker 1: so to speak, what I tell motherfucker's we had telled
Speaker 1: from the hood on the on the description of the
Speaker 1: downfalls of the neighborhood. You get me of doing that
Speaker 1: route they glorified the ship. Nowadays, you feel me it's
Speaker 1: glorified to talk about the nigga who got his ass
Speaker 1: killed last night, And I ain't talking about a fiction
Speaker 1: of your imagination character. They're talking about the nigga who
Speaker 1: really got killed last night, you feel you know. And
Speaker 1: going back to going back to just some stuff. Man,
Speaker 1: the Turtle Banks, I gotta tell you it was on
Speaker 1: the Legit Balls album. You had the hardest contentory song
Speaker 1: after anything that don't have some family, go brother, go
Speaker 1: to ken. What was your name, that stuff. It was
Speaker 1: on the thing and that was my cut. I've bling
Speaker 1: that song. Everything was my theme song behind ball. Yeah
Speaker 1: time who you had in your family? That was locked
Speaker 1: up dog? Because that was a cold that that was
Speaker 1: a cold beast. That got to be one of the
Speaker 1: best ever made. Yeah, because it was some real stuff.
Speaker 1: And that's one thing I'm gonna take you the music
Speaker 1: for a little bit, because you know that's not our format.
Speaker 1: We don't talk about music when where you come for
Speaker 1: your promo spots and stuff. We speak with real street
Speaker 1: people about real street you know, stuff that's going on.
Speaker 1: Y'all was kind of like the y'all was kind of
Speaker 1: like the n w A in Chicago, so to speak.
Speaker 1: Maybe before y'all, I can't really remember nobody because y'all
Speaker 1: came up with Twister. If y'all kind of gave him
Speaker 1: up three day kind of you always kind of like
Speaker 1: three D Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, I mean
Speaker 1: from the beginning, you know when when Twister first said
Speaker 1: the saying he was with the beds and you know,
Speaker 1: he was on the afrol Central ship. You know, when
Speaker 1: I had told him wonder I hadn't talked with im,
Speaker 1: said man, you know the fast they're cool, but you
Speaker 1: ain't talking about nothing. You know what I'm saying. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you need to switch you then I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: not to beat, but like people like Bus, the Rare Man,
Speaker 1: Novelty Round, Come and go. I was like Street Rapp,
Speaker 1: thank us the rappers forever because it's the streets. The
Speaker 1: streets ain't going nowhere, so you'll be able to talk
Speaker 1: about the streets forever. You gonna have a career for
Speaker 1: ever talking about the streets like eight like sky Face Jay.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, It stays, the transcends the
Speaker 1: test of time because you live in and every day.
Speaker 1: So we took that, switched the style, love and watch
Speaker 1: the money. That's crazy, man, because y'all really big news
Speaker 1: because for a minute, y'all worried you'll on the Twister.
Speaker 1: Help we know y'all was on the drumming vation of
Speaker 1: other projects right then, y'all with the with the like
Speaker 1: the le jit ball and stuff. I thought the legit
Speaker 1: ball stuff was gonna pope. We did. We did too,
Speaker 1: I mean you know, I mean we were we still
Speaker 1: hold records. I mean we was doing We was doing
Speaker 1: Gold four one dollars companies taking me put out from
Speaker 1: south or south about southwest. We was killing you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And then that's when Atlantic, because we
Speaker 1: were still in sad to Atlantic when we was dropping them, uh,
Speaker 1: when we did Legit Ballers. So then they came back
Speaker 1: trying to school us, like, you know, y'all gotta stop that,
Speaker 1: you know, bring it on the end to the family.
Speaker 1: So when they tried to bring it into Atlantic, you know,
Speaker 1: they had a deal for Twister to solo album and
Speaker 1: they had a deal for Legit Baller is a million
Speaker 1: for Twist to four point five for the Legit Baller label.
Speaker 1: For some reason, you know, Twister didn't want to do it. Somebody.
Speaker 1: He was tiring people coming up on his name. So
Speaker 1: he said, you know you have the four point five
Speaker 1: on the table. When they gave it the t I,
Speaker 1: that's o t I got grand hustle because Twister talk
Speaker 1: the bread Dawn. He just wanted his media first solo album.
Speaker 1: He said he didn't want to be binding with the
Speaker 1: rest of the ship. So he told me, like, you know,
Speaker 1: I come to him. You ain't turning around four point
Speaker 1: at you ain't doing no ship like that. Were like
Speaker 1: he's just gonna be me and you. We're just gonna
Speaker 1: get this red all you know, all the other ship.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So the deal just fell
Speaker 1: at the waist tide and so so so we just
Speaker 1: that was the reason why them CD stopped coming out exactly.
Speaker 1: You know what I've wondered sometimes do it seems like
Speaker 1: the people that them labels like playing the divide and
Speaker 1: concrete game with brothers, like with black labels when they
Speaker 1: come together like that, because see, I don't seen ship
Speaker 1: like this was out for working on buildings. They'd come
Speaker 1: and tell y'all that they four point five, and they
Speaker 1: really offer them no ship like that, just to get
Speaker 1: y'all kind of out the way. Because I noticed that
Speaker 1: the first thing they try to do is move everybody's
Speaker 1: little street ties to him to get them water. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's true. But the guys was in the in the
Speaker 1: table with him when he said no, okay, I'll live. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But like I said, even with it was see, we
Speaker 1: cousin structure man were game bankers, wig taritle bangs. We
Speaker 1: folks who on the hustlers, vice lords, twisty ain't no
Speaker 1: game banking, you feel me? So when we talk, I
Speaker 1: worried my bond and I'm telling folks something. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: telling rich something. You know what I'm saying. It's different
Speaker 1: with a severe Let's put it like that away. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Hey, you know I know big Rick,
Speaker 1: how long have you been on a in that lifestylet
Speaker 1: of when I was actual activive? Some you know? Well
Speaker 1: now I'm seven, don't twell? I came out. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: so what's the so as far as vice goes, I've
Speaker 1: noticed it gotta be And maybe this is James, you
Speaker 1: may can answer this. Is it a connection between the
Speaker 1: games in Chicago, when the games and that like man
Speaker 1: games in Chicago, the games in Chicago, when the games
Speaker 1: in l A. All of us have been through a
Speaker 1: lot of ship, different ship, and it's just is their
Speaker 1: connection between that something just to make you click and
Speaker 1: make you just see everything but what it is and
Speaker 1: if you water something down and you don't have to
Speaker 1: just keep it one hunting, it is what it is
Speaker 1: right around, you know what I'm saying. And a lot
Speaker 1: of those like my uncle's and all the people I
Speaker 1: saw watching grow up, I wanted to be like that,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to be myself. So I incorporated a
Speaker 1: lot of different ships that I saw that I heard
Speaker 1: and and implemented that ship and me. And so when
Speaker 1: I did certain things, I believe I was doing the
Speaker 1: right thing every time I did it. And you know,
Speaker 1: some cats today they don't think, They don't think at all.
Speaker 1: I was taught to think and playing and put it
Speaker 1: together before you go out there and do some stupid
Speaker 1: ship and looks stupid doing it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you know a lot of us brothers man understand,
Speaker 1: but don't fully get it until we get older. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. A lot of cats is running
Speaker 1: around there talking about their men. I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize I was a man until I was in my voties,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you know, some real ship.
Speaker 1: So being a part of of of of being a
Speaker 1: game member, being the destructive and tanning up the neighborhoods
Speaker 1: and doing all that ship. I can't be a hypocrite
Speaker 1: and say a hypocrite and say them niggas is sucking
Speaker 1: up there on some stupid ship, because we've all been
Speaker 1: on some stupid ship growing up. Now, it's about how
Speaker 1: did you fix our you know, touch these cats and
Speaker 1: let them see that the way they getting down is
Speaker 1: not worth it and don't make sense, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So if you got more fuckers to start
Speaker 1: making records and telling them that the ship that they're
Speaker 1: doing is file, put the pistols down and stop whoo
Speaker 1: the woo woo. We ain't gotta shoot each other, we
Speaker 1: ain't gotta hang with each other. Let's just stop killing
Speaker 1: each other. Y'all still over there, we stay over here,
Speaker 1: and and and do I think we will grow? The
Speaker 1: majority of a black man life is fagancy. Now is ship?
Speaker 1: Back then it was fifteen. Now, motherfucker's probably make it
Speaker 1: to twenty one, two years old, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's just a lot of ship that
Speaker 1: comes with it, and you gotta understand where you're going
Speaker 1: and where you're adding in the whole system. That's all
Speaker 1: it is, is the system. It's something that the older,
Speaker 1: the older, the generations before our tied started. We just
Speaker 1: took it and took it to a different motherfucking level.
Speaker 1: And now it is what it is. It has no structure,
Speaker 1: and it has no no loyalty. It has no it
Speaker 1: don't have a hold on nothing, none of none of
Speaker 1: the ship that that that motherfucker's just doing the day.
Speaker 1: It don't mean ship because they're just doing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I think, man, And this is one
Speaker 1: thing I noticed was I'm a reason from the Midwether too.
Speaker 1: But I've been out in California since eighty eight. I've
Speaker 1: been here a long time, so I understand the game
Speaker 1: thing as far as out here. And one of the
Speaker 1: similarities gonna see between Chicago and then Layers that they
Speaker 1: systematically took those maga figures out the neighborhoods. Some of
Speaker 1: them happened to be po boys, but they used the
Speaker 1: guys have boke and all the other stuff that you
Speaker 1: on them and the regal charges and stuff on. They
Speaker 1: took the influential cats out the neighbor lives across the country,
Speaker 1: and then that's when the kallos, the madness started had
Speaker 1: like they tried to cut their head off. They cut
Speaker 1: their head off. I mean, that's like that. It's the
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is like ship, you take away
Speaker 1: the motherfucker that's giving you structure. It's just like the
Speaker 1: same situation you got the motherfucker that's giving you structure
Speaker 1: or family member or brother they killed here, what you're
Speaker 1: ready to do that's gonna calm you down or that's
Speaker 1: gonna make you get active. So, like like Games said,
Speaker 1: it's a sort of a backfire because they know the
Speaker 1: motherfucker's that they're putting away holds down the structure, got
Speaker 1: the brain to love leadership to calm motherfucker ship. But
Speaker 1: that scares of motherfucker. When they have the smarts and
Speaker 1: the intelligence, you get me, they feel they're ready to
Speaker 1: deal with the knucklehead because the knucklehead gonna suck yourself
Speaker 1: up real quickly. But you don't understand the knuckle heads
Speaker 1: is the ones that's gonna go guerrilla warfare on your
Speaker 1: motherfucking asked, because like they said, we don't really give
Speaker 1: a fuck. We're just gonna go ballistic and go crazy
Speaker 1: and just shoot up everything. But you want to lock
Speaker 1: up and they go, who can control all of that
Speaker 1: and bring structure? That terrifies the motherfucker because look at this,
Speaker 1: Look at what this motherfucker can do. Look he got
Speaker 1: all this ship under control, So all he gotta do
Speaker 1: is really if the motherfucker wanted to do is run ship.
Speaker 1: He could really funck shut up. So they figured, well,
Speaker 1: ours is pretty much even your mother to the run
Speaker 1: police officer, you got a problem. So it's it's pretty
Speaker 1: much pretty much even there. You know. You know, one
Speaker 1: of our first shows we talked about, you know, just
Speaker 1: just surrender. You know that's not so easy to do.
Speaker 1: When the police funk with you. They already got an
Speaker 1: agenda when they approach you. You're a black man, he
Speaker 1: got something, so the odds against you when as soon
Speaker 1: as he walked up to you, his mind is already
Speaker 1: made up opposed to walking up to somebody, a white guard,
Speaker 1: a white guy in the car, and the wars that
Speaker 1: let him have it because the white boys ain't playing
Speaker 1: with him. We sit here, our races are so fucking
Speaker 1: passive and humble when it comes to the police and
Speaker 1: everything else. But when it comes to us, we're ready
Speaker 1: to destroy. Yeah, but everybody starts rhyme when the police
Speaker 1: killed one of us. You know what I'm saying, Let's
Speaker 1: get a march, was stopped killing each other. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Well, we ain't doing none of that
Speaker 1: ship because they know they can't stop that ship. They
Speaker 1: can't stop it, but you can stop it. You can
Speaker 1: go to the hood and and get it all the
Speaker 1: hitters and and everybody put bearing that ass. Brothers from
Speaker 1: the penitential, let them know when you're coming this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Your asses out't come and come to prison for killing
Speaker 1: the black man. And this is what the Mesicans did.
Speaker 1: If you come to prison for killing the Mexican, your
Speaker 1: ass can't live in no prison, can't be on no yard.
Speaker 1: And that's what they did out here in California in
Speaker 1: the eighties. That's real, that's real, right, there's nowhere to hide,
Speaker 1: nowhere to hide in there. So and that's that's one
Speaker 1: of the ways that that that mm hm. The penitentiary
Speaker 1: as a motherfucker. And if you're not ready or bill
Speaker 1: ploy yeah, and you don't even know where they're getting from.
Speaker 1: But they died and they had some pink underwear. But
Speaker 1: your hey, first of it's a motherfucker, but it definitely
Speaker 1: can make a man out of you. And it definitely
Speaker 1: showed you know something, mother to go to jail and no, mother,
Speaker 1: just go to jail. No. It teaches you. I'm telling
Speaker 1: you what they do. You got cash that go out
Speaker 1: there and what you know what you can come back
Speaker 1: to their cell and later when we came up and
Speaker 1: he whoop your ass. Everybody knows killing you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, first and foremost in there. Motherfucker's all that
Speaker 1: how the head and ship? You think you are gay?
Speaker 1: Let's see you was tested. You know you're not getting
Speaker 1: that today. You're not getting that. Bad motherfucker ready to
Speaker 1: come check you because now why they have changed the laws.
Speaker 1: The laws are different from back then attempt the murderer
Speaker 1: getting for the years attempted. I might want to kill
Speaker 1: the motherfucker. You know, they're not giving you what what
Speaker 1: you was getting. You know, the slap on the wrist
Speaker 1: and the eight in the nineties. You're not getting that ship.
Speaker 1: So being an o G man, goddamn, that's that's double
Speaker 1: Japany if I if I go fucking just literally and
Speaker 1: this little then get every found I do something to it,
Speaker 1: I'm in prison for the rest of my life. But
Speaker 1: you know everything, you get your time. Man. We just
Speaker 1: gotta figure it out, and figure out and and and
Speaker 1: turn the dump ship into positive ship. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: very hard to do that. We need to have some
Speaker 1: co instructor that would be that that would be hella.
Speaker 1: But because it'd be a gang of niggas, it would
Speaker 1: be a gang of nigga skin to go to motherfucking prison.
Speaker 1: No one that the old JS is in there waiting
Speaker 1: on motherfucker's You know what I'm saying. That would be
Speaker 1: a hell of a structure to get a motherfucker's. You
Speaker 1: come in here for shooting another nigga, then you you
Speaker 1: just wait to see what happens when you get in here,
Speaker 1: because that's where you had it. You feel me too.
Speaker 1: That's why motherfuckers don't want one part of that ship.
Speaker 1: If you can't, they ain't trying to run up. They
Speaker 1: ain't trying to run up and gets un the niggas.
Speaker 1: Man you've been talking about bad with the jellies and
Speaker 1: all that bad. They is not ready to run up
Speaker 1: against one of them, not at all. No man, y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all be overlooking the point. The point is you got
Speaker 1: some grown ass man out there that all that less,
Speaker 1: I don't have nothing else ain't gonna stand the hood.
Speaker 1: And for him to stand the he gotta have these
Speaker 1: little soldiers. He might be under covered with the bullshit,
Speaker 1: but it's somebody just keeping motherfucker's on the grind is
Speaker 1: everybody got somebody in the hood that's on some fucked
Speaker 1: up ship. If Alcol watch the big homie, this motherfucker
Speaker 1: fifty sixty sixty five years old still with the business
Speaker 1: man longevity too, I might be able to make it
Speaker 1: to his age with the business. So all it is, man,
Speaker 1: grown ass man needs to really grow the funk up
Speaker 1: and say that and see the big picture here. We
Speaker 1: ain't doing ship but destroying us. That's all we're doing.
Speaker 1: And I know, I know for a fact I did
Speaker 1: it for a long goddamn time. But and I can't
Speaker 1: be a hypocrite about it. And I know what because
Speaker 1: he's thinking, Nick is just thinking some motherfucker's doing for
Speaker 1: recreational reasons. They ain't got enough to do in the hood.
Speaker 1: You get drunk and you let the liot a take
Speaker 1: your motherfucker somewhere else. And and now, yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: kill the mother because I got drunk, just as simple
Speaker 1: of that. It's just stupid. Ship, Nigga is just stupid.
Speaker 1: We we'd be on some stupid ship and we just
Speaker 1: need to wake the punk up and think, man and
Speaker 1: ship is is out of hand now, he's out of hand.
Speaker 1: So you know, until it happened to you or somebody
Speaker 1: in your family, that's when mother fuckers start to wake up.
Speaker 1: That's a real ship, man, because it's so many similarities, man,
Speaker 1: because one thing is Bigwest period. You know, Chicago Detroit
Speaker 1: took them, you know, y'all man to take two things,
Speaker 1: two different things. You know, to the y'all do everything
Speaker 1: to the and the game almost I don't stuff to places,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's cool. Like but we might have said
Speaker 1: on the West side, so the West Side we known
Speaker 1: for getting money. So like that the day this outside
Speaker 1: with your area where the family like ground, my num
Speaker 1: came from down part where they came on like Grandpa
Speaker 1: might work. He by the crib. They got a house.
Speaker 1: We talked about the partners in it. It's long. Well
Speaker 1: you know, my daddy might not have been around and
Speaker 1: mama get the uh, the aide and all that big rick.
Speaker 1: We can enter this part off. You got your things on.
Speaker 1: Clicking that you take the motherfucker's off. Dog, you sound
Speaker 1: like you wond the water on the motherfucker's don't want
Speaker 1: to hear what you see? Yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: stay whatever you was all over again because oh, you're
Speaker 1: trying to be trying to be cool to see that,
Speaker 1: but that but that couldn't when we were got them.
Speaker 1: So what we're saying, No, we're from the last as
Speaker 1: of Chicago, right, So the differences we come from money man,
Speaker 1: we love the huckle. We love get money. You know
Speaker 1: back in the day on the South Side. That's why
Speaker 1: all the backs I grated too. And uh that you
Speaker 1: know how money came from down software he came from
Speaker 1: he got the god might to create a piece of property.
Speaker 1: So the next generation win after process. Us we come
Speaker 1: from out the I'm the deal is, Daddy might not
Speaker 1: have been around, you know, he might have been hospital
Speaker 1: mama getting the best that check O the aid check
Speaker 1: and we gotta get some money. But them process we're seeing,
Speaker 1: you know, like them. I stayed around the corner from
Speaker 1: me and knew him. We need my godfather. So we're
Speaker 1: seeing people like they're all our life is you want
Speaker 1: to get money. So the West Side people, we just
Speaker 1: like to get money all that with that, but we
Speaker 1: all do that that I didn't the other guy have
Speaker 1: to do it. But yeah, black Peace Stone, that was Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, I wanted to ask me
Speaker 1: when they was trying to black Pea Stones down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: black Pea Stone, Agent of Stones still got people, still
Speaker 1: black Peace stones. Yeah. When we saw that on cut
Speaker 1: with one of the movies, he was like, damn the
Speaker 1: stones out down. You know what, men, they's up again.
Speaker 1: We don't see Roy because he was trump con you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So because he took the lid
Speaker 1: out there. All right, let's take a quick commercial break
Speaker 1: and we'll be back. So so so let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, and I keep talking about the similarities between
Speaker 1: Chicago and that late because that's why I love old
Speaker 1: guys there. The guys then we come up. I believe
Speaker 1: that James at correct me if I'm wrong with any point. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: we we we we Like I said, we are nigga
Speaker 1: like myself. I grew up in the hood, so I
Speaker 1: was structured on that ship. That's why I tell people
Speaker 1: a lot of my music was sales from the neighborhood
Speaker 1: because I was actually right there living that ship. So
Speaker 1: as a young adolescent, I was victim to a lot
Speaker 1: of that bullshit too. What I'm saying, uh, just being
Speaker 1: a product of my environment. So you know, um, A
Speaker 1: lot of people asked today, you know, do we feel
Speaker 1: responsible for the music we made? And how you know, uh,
Speaker 1: you see the youngsters now days and how they're crazy
Speaker 1: and going wild and whatever, and do we feel responsible
Speaker 1: for what? You know, because a lot of niggas say that, man, ship,
Speaker 1: I was in prison, I listened to you or I did.
Speaker 1: I did plenty of drive bys and listening to your ship,
Speaker 1: you know whatever. So you know, it was just man,
Speaker 1: I'm like I said, me being a product of my environment,
Speaker 1: me being a product of my environment. It was it
Speaker 1: was stuff that I saw and stuff that I witnessed
Speaker 1: that I just felt like I had to share my
Speaker 1: stories with other with other brothers who were caught up
Speaker 1: in the situations that I felt I was in. You
Speaker 1: feel me because I always felt like not just sucking competent,
Speaker 1: it's niggas, that's hood everywhere. You feel me, Chicago, down South, Mississippi, Atlanta, Texas.
Speaker 1: You know. So that's what I made music for. I
Speaker 1: made music to try to depict every nigger who was
Speaker 1: stuck in that trap. You feel, Okay, I gat I gain't.
Speaker 1: I didn't nigga's that neighborhood theme. Use Man, I just
Speaker 1: started doing that music because I knew what it was about.
Speaker 1: Because when I was making music, I was still hopping
Speaker 1: in the back of ods, cards and ship you feel me.
Speaker 1: So that's why my music resignated with a lot of youngsters.
Speaker 1: As far as how we adults now, like I said,
Speaker 1: we weren't supposed to make it this far man living
Speaker 1: a lifestyle we was living, but we was. We were
Speaker 1: fortunate enough that we were able to start making music
Speaker 1: and we were able to start participating and writing down
Speaker 1: our tails of what we knew and what we experienced.
Speaker 1: Didn't happen to go out there and experience it in
Speaker 1: the long run, you know what I'm saying, So that
Speaker 1: kind of benefited in some ways. Yeah, it's the media too,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because you think about it.
Speaker 1: When we was coming up, and it was when we
Speaker 1: was in the nineties, it was nineteen hundred murders up
Speaker 1: in this here. You know what I'm saying. It was
Speaker 1: that and triple what it is now. But back then,
Speaker 1: when the grand and aunt is getting hit, no babies,
Speaker 1: it was if you got hit, we had it come.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Now, all these innercy white
Speaker 1: hands getting hit, man, just like I said, you you know, pussy,
Speaker 1: you're jod He want to stand get your feedback, and
Speaker 1: just he' here on what he's doing. He's just waving
Speaker 1: that mother and he got his glass clod that that's
Speaker 1: the thing right there. And we talked about it, when
Speaker 1: we talked about it all the time. Man, Like, I'll
Speaker 1: be honest with you, man, I got kids, you know,
Speaker 1: like James said, you really don't know you're a man.
Speaker 1: To get you to your forties, that's when you're really
Speaker 1: on top of your ship kind of, you know. And
Speaker 1: I think I got kids. I got the son as
Speaker 1: twenty years old. I got the story. So when I
Speaker 1: see these jam cats out here, man getting murdered by people,
Speaker 1: whether it's the police or the hands of our owners,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this, buddy, we kill more of
Speaker 1: our own people than we any other motherfucker's everything else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we get a lot of gown man, so real it
Speaker 1: sucks me up, man um. As far as the kids
Speaker 1: in Chicago, man, I know kids out here, a lot
Speaker 1: of them give a funk about with no old making
Speaker 1: better say. And we respected our old g We're respecting
Speaker 1: our man. And I one thing is is this man,
Speaker 1: I'm tired of mother fucking verching. I'm tired of the
Speaker 1: motherfucking protesting and ship and it's starting to James saying, Man,
Speaker 1: I think we gotta start with all the ship man
Speaker 1: and really start. But we to my own motherfucking neighorhoods
Speaker 1: because I would to tell somebody else to stop doing
Speaker 1: this and doing that. But we still each other, not
Speaker 1: excusing what they're doing at all, not excuse me what
Speaker 1: they're doing at all. But I am more likely to
Speaker 1: lose my life to the hands of another nigga than
Speaker 1: I am a police officer. Hey, hey, it was the
Speaker 1: eight Well, I don't know if you remember, we had
Speaker 1: kicking rounds in Long Beach of Long about ten years
Speaker 1: teen years ago. It was at Long Beach in a
Speaker 1: little club up now. I was with Twist me. He
Speaker 1: was back there blowing and ship kicking it. I was settled, man,
Speaker 1: and the Q raised me. Man. It was my daddy's
Speaker 1: so and you knowthing to talk about. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's the law. That that's law right there, and that's
Speaker 1: I presented myself. I ain't gonna that so I any
Speaker 1: trip when the shorts week because I was like Damn,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna love MC eight q Q say he I
Speaker 1: skilled the bitch killer cop killer that you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That loves it ain't really a solution to
Speaker 1: none of this ship. So all this ship is just
Speaker 1: exercise and futility because motherfucker's gonna still keep you what
Speaker 1: they're doing. Nigga's gonna still keep killing each other. Police.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be flowing through this motherfucker as long as
Speaker 1: niggas walking. Thereat go be out the the whook that
Speaker 1: I asked, So you know, just it's all you can't
Speaker 1: do ship but laugh at it man and trying to
Speaker 1: take care of your own you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Try to just make sure your own people is right.
Speaker 1: Y'all still let me ask you'll let me ask you'
Speaker 1: all this one question because I consider y'all, you know,
Speaker 1: to come from the era of my music. So do
Speaker 1: y'all feel pressured to compete or try to be uh
Speaker 1: what the masses of music are? Or do you feel
Speaker 1: comfortable staying in your own lane and being who to
Speaker 1: speed not mobsters are? I'll tell you like this to me,
Speaker 1: you gotta keep your love for him because the music
Speaker 1: is here. To destroy your love for the gang. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, He destroy your love for the music.
Speaker 1: You gotta stay at Brest and what's going on, keep
Speaker 1: up with the current slang, and you can still stay
Speaker 1: in your lane, you know what I'm saying. Like with us,
Speaker 1: we gotta label Mob Town Entertainment. So we're bringing up
Speaker 1: a monster of the youngsters, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So we know we need to in order to get
Speaker 1: our label out that we need to come with some
Speaker 1: stuff ourselves because we got the bug to wrap again anyway,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So yeah, just long you
Speaker 1: stay current, listening to the music, know what's after, catch
Speaker 1: your lane, just get your a little sound, but still
Speaker 1: reminisces a the old They need the lover that hate.
Speaker 1: That's all I say. Man, And and all the old
Speaker 1: geees out there. Man, you're still doing it. Do what
Speaker 1: y'all do because you still got motherfucker's like me to
Speaker 1: go streaming ship and buying. It's a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: niggas like me. There's old niggas just still want to
Speaker 1: hear some good music. You see what I'm saying. That king,
Speaker 1: you know me, it's a fifty year. I love what
Speaker 1: these young niggas do, but I can't d it wrong
Speaker 1: like that that we're just lying right me pulling up
Speaker 1: on somebody listening to some of the ship that these
Speaker 1: niggs be making. You know what I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: don't knocking what they do. But that's my key and
Speaker 1: that's not me. You got so I got a certain
Speaker 1: lectament contemporary right now. You see what I'm saying. A
Speaker 1: total temporary rap man. But you know we're here for y'all. Man,
Speaker 1: whatever it deals y'all need from us. Man, y'all need
Speaker 1: that new one points or whatever. Man, shoot it over
Speaker 1: this way. Dog. Well that's that's one thing I want
Speaker 1: to say to Chicago. Man, we're gonna start. We've been
Speaker 1: getting a lot of people hitting and stup. Now man
Speaker 1: to bring this different cities and stuff. Man, We're gon.
Speaker 1: We're gonna. We're gonna be pulling up in shot time
Speaker 1: before y'all know, because I think ship Chicago brought the
Speaker 1: number two markets. Like you know what I'm saying, Chicago
Speaker 1: is the number two markets. The mortgage with the most
Speaker 1: prime activity is all our top markets. Crases in guy,
Speaker 1: I remember gonna say something about us you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But we own y'all man, and we appreciate
Speaker 1: y'all man coming through the day. Man, y'all check out
Speaker 1: the Steed and not marksters. They got some man. Well.
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