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Speaker 2: Look at this now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Hey, it's time for a little

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Speaker 1: afternoon combat, but we're still gonna call it Morning Combat

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Speaker 1: because we're just unoriginal. Hi. Everyone, it's a Wednesday edition,

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Speaker 1: the fourteenth of December twenty twenty two. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us. We have a lot to get

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Speaker 1: to today, including a fun little announcement at the top

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Speaker 1: of the show. But first things first, I am one

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Speaker 1: half of your hosting duo. My name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I join you from the capital of status Anitas right

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Speaker 1: here in Washington, DC, joined by the man in the

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Speaker 1: drug rug who's been playing Fortnite like it's been going

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Speaker 1: out of style, which it has been. It's Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Him, Brian Campbell, true fact. Luke. The new season spectacular,

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Speaker 2: so I can't get off of it. But speaking of

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Speaker 2: getting off, Luke, I think the fans will today because

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Speaker 2: this is a fantastic announcement to lead off, you know,

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Speaker 2: a four time award winning fantastic program. So I'm happy

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Speaker 2: to be back. I mean, Luke, it's eleven am somewhere

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Speaker 1: The West coast. Yeah, on the West coast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, well I like that of some of

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Speaker 1: We've been teasing something of a big announcement now, BC,

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Speaker 1: it all right, But BC, we do have something very

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Speaker 2: Well, Luke, let's start off this special announcement with a question,

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Speaker 2: You know, shout out the Australians too, But the UK

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Speaker 2: But Luke, we're about to put our money where our

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Speaker 2: twenty three. How about folks, what are you doing February

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Speaker 2: at the right time. What I saw in that fight, unfortunately,

430
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,160
Speaker 2: was a guy who got close, who set his traps well,

431
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 2: but really was unable to risk it all to come

432
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 2: over the top and try and dramatically win that because

433
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,960
Speaker 2: it seemed to be a slight failure to launch against

434
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 2: you know, one of the greatest fighters in history. To

435
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:29,040
Speaker 2: be fair here, that seems correctable, meaning I wasn't worried

436
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 2: about Cannoneer's age over the past year or saw your

437
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 2: point on this could be his last chance if he

438
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,639
Speaker 2: loses this and falls out of the rankings is pure

439
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 2: and true. But is it possible in your eyes that

440
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 2: Cannoneer can recalibrate from what he didn't do against ad

441
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 2: Astania and if he wins this against Strickland could be

442
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 2: right back there, and you know, as unlikely as it sounds,

443
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 2: isn't out of the question that this guy could still

444
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 2: wear the belt one day. Do you feel any of

445
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 2: that's true.

446
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm skeptical. I'm skeptical. Can't dismiss it, can't say it's

447
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 1: not in play, can't say it's something that would seem

448
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 1: so unrealistic as to dismiss it that I think that

449
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,679
Speaker 1: would be wrong. I wouldn't say that he does have

450
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,439
Speaker 1: big power, that's a big that's a big game changer

451
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 1: for him. He's got a lot of good experience to

452
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 1: this point. But I sort of feel like, I mean,

453
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 1: this is just my hunch, right, So I don't know this.

454
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,679
Speaker 1: So by roundabout way of answering, your question would be,

455
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 1: I feel like kennony A is still very dangerous and

456
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: might be able to maintain position to a degree, But

457
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 1: I feel like the best of what he was able

458
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 1: to offer is likely, not affirmatively, but likely in the past.

459
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 2: So well, what if I reframed it? What if I

460
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 2: reframed his history of losing like this and just tell

461
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 2: you this, We all know he did lose. It's a Whittaker,

462
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 2: but suffered a serious injury in the opening round and

463
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 2: then hurt Whittaker in the final round. And you know,

464
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 2: for all we know, Luke would I want to make

465
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 2: sure my memory tells me that was a three round fight.

466
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 2: It was at you two fifty four. Had that been

467
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 2: a five round fight? Who knows?

468
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: Right?

469
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 2: I mean, he did have an opening, he had a

470
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 2: moment he nearly was able to capitalize against Adasanya. You

471
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 2: have to look back in that and say, okay, the

472
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 2: right man one. But what I'm trying to ask you

473
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 2: through that long winded setup is is could he just

474
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 2: be a couple adjustments away? Meaning is he told you

475
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 2: in that sit down that you gotta give Candon your

476
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 2: credit because he did prepare well technically to try to

477
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 2: slow as he down and got close meaning distance wise,

478
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 2: got close put himself in position to potentially land a

479
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 2: big shot. But you know, with how good is he

480
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 2: is and how quickly he can counter inaccurately, I felt like,

481
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: unfortunately Jared didn't take the risk that he needed to.

482
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 2: Does it. Could it be one adjustment and he's right?

483
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 2: Or do you need him in general to almost say, look,

484
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 2: you're a very good fighter, but against the championship level guys.

485
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: If you can't out chest them, you might as well

486
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 2: lean on that power. You might as well stay a

487
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: dangerous counter fighter who's never out of it, Like, is

488
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: there a slight adjustment that could lift him to the top?

489
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: Is really what I'm trying to stay because I love

490
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: the guy. I love his mindset, his fighting style. But

491
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 2: I was disappointed with that out of a sign the effort

492
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 2: to be fair with you.

493
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he tried to play chess with a guy

494
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: who's better at playing chess. But it's not like he performed.

495
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: He performed in a very disappointing ultimately as what the

496
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: fan might tell you kind of boring way. But he

497
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,959
Speaker 1: wasn't like the difference level in decision making was like

498
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 1: radically far apart. In fact, the reason why the fight

499
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: was was viewed the way that it was is by

500
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: virtual of the fact that there wasn't a huge separation.

501
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: There was a consistent separation, but not a massive one

502
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: over time. Like he is, he was better, but not

503
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: like he wasn't styling on him. He wasn't stunting on him,

504
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: that kind of that that wasn't there. Here's why I

505
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 1: think kennonyar is at like dude, he trains with a

506
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: really good team, like they had him ready for Izzy

507
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: in as much as he could be ready. And the

508
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: thing you're talking about is like his physical skills, his

509
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 1: big power. He's always had big power, even at heavyweight.

510
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: It's certainly a problem for most folks anyway at middleweight,

511
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: but at thirty eight. The reality is this, could he

512
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: change a couple of things to get some better results.

513
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: I do think he could. Yes, there are a couple

514
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: of things he could change, but I also think everything

515
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: has its pluses and its minuses. There might be some

516
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: net benefit to changing things to more orient his strategy

517
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 1: around his power. But I think if he did that,

518
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: he'd be making some mistakes on the other side that

519
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: still wouldn't change his fortunes against the Whitakers, against the Izzies,

520
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: potentially against the Hamzats, who knows, and potentially against although

521
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: you know, against Paeda he might get the takedown there,

522
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: so that could be kind of interesting there, But certainly

523
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: against the other two, I don't I don't really see

524
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: any meaningfully small or large adjustment he could make that

525
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: would that would substantively alter his fortunes against those guys,

526
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: does that answer the question?

527
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: I guess. I guess maybe I'm a little higher might

528
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 2: disagree with, but that's how I see it. Yeah, you know,

529
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: when you look at this matchup, look do you have

530
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 2: the odds and you because this is a big fight,

531
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: which way is Vegas leaning?

532
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you right now. So for what we

533
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: have UFC Vegas sixty six for this one? They are

534
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: friends at Caesar's. How about a pick em folks minus

535
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: one ten in either direction? Does that surprise you? BC?

536
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 2: No, I was gonna try to go as far as

537
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: saying I feel like Cannoneers should be favored in this

538
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 2: one based on how I view their stocks. But with

539
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: Strickland being the younger, somewhat fresher fighter to a certain degree,

540
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: who was coming on before that that bad turn against Perera,

541
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: which I kind of look at in a lot of

542
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: ways as his fault, a pickam is not unfair in

543
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: the spot in my opinion. So you know, for Luke

544
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 2: mindset wise coming in for Sean Strickland, is it just

545
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 2: essentially you know, forget the Poeton fight ever happen, and

546
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: go back to being the guy who you were along

547
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: this journey. I don't understand, just be Sean Strickland.

548
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: Oh oh so okay, well let me let's back up

549
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: a step here. Do you this why I didn't understand.

550
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: Do you believe that Deshaun Strickland we saw it to

551
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: seventy six was a departure from who he was?

552
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: Yes? I believe that he was willing to hang in

553
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: the pocket and had designs of potentially getting Poeton before

554
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 2: he got him, and trying to make a big statement

555
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 2: knowing he was right around the corner from a title shot.

556
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: Let's not forget at that press conference two days before

557
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 2: or whatever, he was heavily trash talking is he and

558
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 2: it was almost as if we were setting up that

559
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: as the next fight.

560
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I thought that that was I mean, don't

561
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: get me wrong. I thought it was the very much

562
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: the wrong strategy. I think even his coaches would tell

563
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: you that was not the right strategy. I'm told that's

564
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: not what they had game planned or had advised him,

565
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: you know. And he's his own man. He's gonna fight

566
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: the way he wants. And I think he's talked about

567
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: it since then, being like, yeah, that's I'm really happy

568
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: with the way I thought I would do it again.

569
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: So take there for what it's worth. I don't see

570
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: that as a radical departure from who he is. In fact,

571
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: I see that is not exactly who he has always

572
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: been in other fights. That's true, But I don't see

573
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: that as some kind of like genuine departure, just another

574
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: version of it. I think in this case, you got

575
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: a big puncher. I mean, here's what the reality is.

576
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: We'll talk more about this on Friday as we get

577
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: to X's and O'SBC. But if you look at the

578
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: fights that Sean Strickland has lost, so he got finished

579
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: by Paeda, he lost to Elizu's Alesquido Santos and kamar Usmano.

580
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: The kamar usman won involved a lot of takedowns and

581
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: then ground to pound, and then Santiago Pon's Nibbio as well. Right,

582
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: he lost the unanimous decision there. Those were all cases

583
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: where he was numerically outstruck. And you have to think

584
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: about that, right, Like, what's the significance there. The significance

585
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: there is he's a volume guy himself. He has a

586
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: he lands at a very high clip. We'll get to

587
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: the numbers on Friday. He lands at a very high

588
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: clip and if he can't get that going, that's when

589
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: he gets into problems. Now, in the case of Pareeda,

590
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: you know he also got out landed, partly because he

591
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: got he ate huge shots of them some follow up

592
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: at their after But you get the idea here. So

593
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: the question you have to ask yourself is, Okay, can

594
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: Sean strickland out volume over the course of five rounds,

595
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: including with a very good takedown defensive he needs it?

596
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: Jared Cannoneer, almost certainly, that's true. But the people who

597
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: have beaten him in usman as I'm gonna say it again, Paeda,

598
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: I think he got dropped against somebody else as well. Yeah,

599
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: do Santos he got finished off, I believe, yep, be

600
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: sure did, and then he lost to pon Zinibio. Could

601
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: a big puncher getting through his defense just make short

602
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: work of him anyway, That's the kind of thing you

603
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: have to answer, like it almost seems certain that Sean

604
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: Strickler will do what he did before march down and

605
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: try and put volume in your face all the time.

606
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: That's what he does. The question is is a big

607
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: puncher like Cannoneer able to take advantage of it in

608
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: the ways that Dosantos and Peda were able to fair.

609
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: That's fair, and I didn't want to make it seem

610
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: like Strickland was completely I mean he was dire. I mean,

611
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: like you're right. His style is to pressure you, high volume, constantly,

612
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: be in your face and knowing harassing, break you down,

613
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: break your will. It's just that you certainly wouldn't want

614
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,479
Speaker 2: to be as brazen against somebody like Poeton. And I

615
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: just feel like, you know, from what I saw, was

616
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: a guy that was almost reckless in doing that, trying

617
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: to make his own statement.

618
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 1: He couldn't.

619
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: So those same sort of fears on executing a style

620
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: like that when you're not the biggest striker against someone

621
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: like Cannoneer is certainly gonna have to be there. We'll

622
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: get into the breakdown as you mentioned more on Friday,

623
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: but that's something interesting to think about for both of

624
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: them based on what didn't go right in their most

625
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: recent losses, which was you know, huge opportunity, and how

626
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: they can adapt that here. I want two hungry fighters

627
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: going after it for five rounds, Luke, I think this

628
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: could end up being a very interesting fight the way

629
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: it plays out.

630
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: I think it could be really, really boring up until

631
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: it's not. That's what I think. In other words, I

632
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: think when it's all said and done, we won't be like, oh,

633
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: that sucked. I do think there's gonna be long stretches

634
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: where that might be the case, and then punctuated more

635
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: of action when Jared Kannoneer lowers the boom on him,

636
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: and whether he wins or not, I do think that

637
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: will have a role in terms of how we view

638
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,239
Speaker 1: the fight now BC, I would be lying to you

639
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: if I told you that the main event was the

640
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: one I cared about the most, and on this cart

641
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: in terms of all the fights, not even close. It

642
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: is the comin to me that has me by far,

643
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: by far, by far, by far, by far the most

644
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: motivated and interested, and if I'm being honest a little nervous,

645
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: Arman Sarryuki and takes on Demir Ismagoulov in terms of

646
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: the rankings BC, Ismagoulov sitting at twelve, sar Yuki and

647
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: sitting at nine. And there might be some casual fans

648
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: who watched the show and maybe you've heard of neither.

649
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: Maybe you've only ever heard of Sarryuki in BC. Here's

650
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: how I would set this up. Tell me if I'm

651
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: missing anything. Sarr Yuki in was the guy who came

652
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: in and his UFC debut, fought Islam Makachev took him

653
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: to a decision, fought him tooth and nail. You know,

654
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: it was his UFC debut. How good was it gonna be?

655
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: He ultimately succumbed to I think a decision loss, but

656
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, certainly held his own and you can even

657
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: talk to you in Makachev's camp, they were very impressed

658
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: by Saryuki and after that went on a roll for

659
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: a bit, but had a bit of a setback, most

660
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: recently against Muteyu's Gamrot got a little bit outworked in

661
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: that fight, and his striking hasn't come along very far,

662
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: even though I think he's only twenty five years old.

663
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: Here's the problem for me with this matchmaking. Damir Ismagoulov

664
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: is a motherfucking hammer. Okay, folks. He has an outrageously

665
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: good job, very good striking, very good striking defense, and

666
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: upwards of ninety percent takedown defense against people who can wrestle.

667
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: By the way, this is not the fight. If I

668
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: was managing Saryukian, then I would have taken after the

669
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: Gamrod fight BC. Do you like this fight for Sara

670
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: yuki In as he is considered a minus one to

671
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: eighty favorite according to Caesar's or Am I on to something?

672
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: No? I mean, look, this is badass matchmaking on his regard.

673
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: But what we learned in those two defeats to two

674
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: great not very good great fighters in my Vin Gamra

675
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: is that he's pretty darn close. He's of their ilk

676
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: and of their class, despite losing close fights in both

677
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: instances that in some cases a different fighter with maybe

678
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: different tells in terms of what their true vulnerability might be.

679
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: I would be a little bit nervous. I'm not in

680
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: this case. I think that there there's a statement that

681
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: that sar Yukin has been trying to make for a

682
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: for a while, and I think he's only gonna sharpen

683
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: himself from those two defeats and obviously most recently the

684
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: Gamrat one. And as much as this is like damn,

685
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: you're going from one kill or two or the other,

686
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: I don't think a guy like this is gonna stop

687
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: until he makes that statement. I like him as the favorite.

688
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 2: I hear your concern just the same, But Luke as

689
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: much as you like and let me get this. I

690
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: gotta I gotta learn this in real time. Demir is

691
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: mag you lov I'll never get it wrong again.

692
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: That's a little bit easier. I have no idea if

693
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: that's correct, but it's easier to say this.

694
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: Macgooloff is on some kind of run himself, just that

695
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: one loss in twenty fifteen, all the way back before

696
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: the UFC, and I mean he's won something like ten

697
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: in a row. Luke just won all of his UFC

698
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: fights and has looked great. But this allows Armin to you,

699
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: so you can, if you can get a win here

700
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: to almost in my opinion, act as if those two

701
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: losses didn't mean, you know, weren't as damaging as they

702
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: could have been. Meeting we learned so much great about

703
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: him in both fights. He believes in himself. I haven't

704
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: seen anything in either loss. They were just two close

705
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 2: fights with two hammers going after it. And let's not

706
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: forget again it was his UFC debut when he caught

707
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: Makhachev in there. But uh, I'm not nervous here, Luke,

708
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: I want, I don't. My only fear, of course, long term,

709
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: is that when someone is so close think Dan Hooker,

710
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: like so close to being great but can't get over

711
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: that hump, and it's like, just keep taking on hard

712
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: fights and end up being desperate. And in Hooker's case,

713
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: he's taking on a lot of damage to get there.

714
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: I don't think that's exactly applical in this case. I

715
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: think sar Yukin's gonna have his moment on top, and

716
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: I almost applaud his willingness to come back out once

717
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: again against another hammer because he believed so much in

718
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: himself that he's the biggest hammer of the group. That

719
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: you're right, if this is your musty fight of the weekend,

720
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: Luke of the card, you know it's right up there

721
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: for me. I mean, does it? You know? I mean

722
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: cheyennev Listmath's coming back is like Christmass, Okay, I mean,

723
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: let's be very fair, all right, prelimbs Man on ESPN

724
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: plus Super Sloppy Special, Hey, Roman, we're just fans of

725
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: the art, Okay, that's it at the end of the day. Okay,

726
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: So don't don't turn that Hammer of the month back

727
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: on me, DELI. But here, get my point, dude.

728
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about this. This is what's happened a

729
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: little bit for me from my perspective. Listen, Sir Yukin's Armenian.

730
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: My mother was Armenian, like I am, like, I'm a

731
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: mark for him. I'm really excited about his future. And

732
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I think he will have a

733
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: very good future. But we've talked about a couple of

734
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: things in the fight sports that I think are intersecting here.

735
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: One is that if you don't get a guy's development right,

736
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: you can fuck it up. You can suck it up

737
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: real bad. Again. If I were advising and if I

738
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: were managing, so U, he's his own man. Of course

739
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna do what he wants to do. I would

740
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: have not. I would have I would have told him

741
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: to decline this fight. I really would have. I would

742
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: have said, yes, maybe he can win it. Maybe in fact,

743
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: he'll win it. Like I'm not. I'm not saying decline

744
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: it because you can't win it. I'm saying decline it

745
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: because you're working on your development and you don't need

746
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: to take this kind of risk at this juncture, especially

747
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: just what happened against Botello's Gamrot. That's the first thing

748
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: i'd say. The second thing I'd say is we have

749
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: to be careful about our own biases here a little bit.

750
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: Ismagoulov has not had the kind of promotional push or

751
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: the kind of fevered interest around him that Sarayukiin has.

752
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: Even when Sarayukiin lost to Gamrot. Remember those scrambles in

753
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: the first couple of rounds that those two guys were having.

754
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: You just haven't seen anything like that at lightweight and

755
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: mma ever. Ever, like these guys, the Isma Gulavs, the Gamrocks,

756
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: the Kuta te Lazes, the Sarayukians, and I can name

757
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: other ones. The Joel Alvarez is all that shit. All

758
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: those guys are on their way up to get ready

759
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: to push out the rest of that weight class. So

760
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: like they're all going to move up eventually. But Ismagulov is,

761
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be very clear about this, criminally underrated, criminally

762
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: underrated because he doesn't have the same celebrated fevered interest

763
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: around him. Not because he's not good, dude, the tape

764
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 1: on him is very clear, but because he just isn't

765
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: that guy. And I worry that there's a lot of

766
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: people that being like, oh, well, so you cans really great?

767
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: He might get past it, dude, he just mind like again,

768
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm not predicting failure, but it's risky. It's super risky

769
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: to take this fight right now, and I don't.

770
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: Okay, but guys, wasn't Gamrad of a pick them?

771
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: You know?

772
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 2: Looking back? It was forty eight to forty seven across

773
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 2: all three scorecards for Gamrock, But I remember people feeling

774
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 2: like that could have gone either way. Correct.

775
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: Yes, in fact, I scored it for sar Yukim.

776
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: I don't have these fears because when when I have

777
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 2: these fears about someone being too aggressive with their matchmaking,

778
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: it typically connects with the amount of damage they've taken

779
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 2: in those losses, mixed with the perceived vulnerabilities about their backbone,

780
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: their chin, their you know for all, ability to to

781
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: uh to stay healthy and and and stay elite. I mean, look,

782
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: you know, when Dan Hookers was losing these super earlife

783
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: fights and putting out great performances, but going life or

784
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: death with Dustin Poier for twenty five minutes, I do

785
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 2: feel like it's a little bit different in this case.

786
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: Luke Saryukin is is like that close to showing us

787
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: that money line can send him that gimmick in the

788
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: mail right now that he's like you know of this ILK,

789
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: of this new generation of Eastern European dominant takeover. He

790
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: has the medal he has, you know from what I've

791
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 2: seen everything, and and I get what you're saying, like, Okay,

792
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: that's great, but it's Kamugolov. Uh let me, can I

793
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: get that right? Luke, Ismagulov is also of that ILK.

794
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 2: But Luke, you know what does a victory do here

795
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: for Arman saryuki In. Again I said it earlier. It

796
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 2: it it to me. It actually as if the Gamera

797
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 2: fight didn't happen, right, because we learned so much good

798
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: about sar yuki In and ultimately a loss. But you know,

799
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: in the larger picture, is it a loss? It's rare.

800
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: I think it's rare that I can be this optimistic

801
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: in this type of scenario because I feel like Armuntsyukiin

802
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 2: has some of that rare medal that's going around right now. Okay,

803
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: But to the point that you made earlier shout out

804
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: to Armenians, Unfortunately Edmund Shabazian didn't take coach Edmund with

805
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: him on this relaunch. Luke, speaking of Armenians, I don't

806
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:25,959
Speaker 2: know if he listen.

807
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: Not every Armenian is built for it, but many of

808
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: them are. I've been watching the World Weightlifting Championships. They've

809
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: been kicking ass there a little bit too. So anyway,

810
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: the one I want to make here is this. On

811
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: this one, you're asking like, what is our Sorry, you

812
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: can get out of it. I actually feel like he

813
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: gets out of it a lot because even though he's

814
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: ranked ninth and is Magoula of is ranked twelve, so

815
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: that by itself wouldn't meaningfully improve his rankings position. If

816
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: sar Yukiin were to win. The reason why I think

817
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: it'd be really really important bec is for two reasons. One,

818
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: the question is like, if he does win, how does

819
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: he do it? So the one option could be if

820
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: he wrestles him for the course of it's only a

821
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: three round fight, not a five, gets it done because

822
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: he can really maximally power his wrestling for fifteen minutes

823
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: against a guy like Ismagoulov, who has faced good fighters,

824
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: like not bullshit ones, good ones, and as upwards of Actually,

825
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: I think he has higher than ninety percent take down defense.

826
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: I think it's like close to ninety five, right, we're

827
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 1: talking that kind of level of skill. It would show

828
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: me that there's virtually no one in that division he

829
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: can't take down, right, that would be very, very impressive.

830
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: On the other hand, if it's a little bit more

831
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: striking based. One of the things that we did see

832
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: against Gamrot and other fights previously is that his striking

833
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: is certainly getting better fight over fight, but it's not

834
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: nearly as caught up to his wrestling. In his grappling game.

835
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: In the other way, it's got a lot of work.

836
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: And plus I think the submissions in the ground pound

837
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: game of so you can could do some work. So

838
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: to being a guy like Isma Gulov, to me, that's

839
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: as quality of win and people are gonna laugh at this,

840
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: That to me is as quality of win as you're

841
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: gonna get in the top five. I really mean that

842
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: diet exactly. I have a very high opinion of Ismacgoulov.

843
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 2: I think you misinterpreted me saying what you know what's

844
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: at stake? I was saying it almost like you know

845
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: what's at stake? A chance to act like those losses

846
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: didn't happen, because this guy's so good, and he's already

847
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: shown Sarayuki in in two losses against super elites how

848
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: good he is. I hear your point on completely well

849
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: rounding his game. But Luke, considering how close he got

850
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: with gam Ra but couldn't but didn't get over the hump,

851
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: do you need him to be a little bit more

852
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: not reckless, but intentional and inflicting damage.

853
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wait, you're talking about ismagolover so you can when you.

854
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 2: Talking about Sara Yuki in because you were talking about

855
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: about the striking not fully being up to par in

856
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 2: the wrestling.

857
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little bit more basic with the combos

858
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: and the shot selection, which is understandable, right, he is

859
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: trying to get better at that. You have to be

860
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: understanding and to be clear, like there's very clear progress

861
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: on that front. I feel like, one, there needs to

862
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: be better ground and pound because if you're going to

863
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: get the wrestling, really make good use of it. And

864
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: by the way, he doesn't have bad ground and pound,

865
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: but it could be better, right, He could be better,

866
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: So I think that's part of it. And then on

867
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: the feet, he's just got to get way more comfortable

868
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: with range, a little less tolerant of taking damage, better combinations,

869
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: better you know, situational awareness, and these things take time.

870
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: They just take time. It's not like you can do

871
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: it automatically, not like you can do it overnight. You

872
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: got to work on it. That's why after the Gamard fight,

873
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, dial it back a little bit. And

874
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: here's the other part too, about making this fight right.

875
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: Let's just be honest, dude. How many guys want to

876
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: fight armins aar Yukin Not fucking many? And how many

877
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: want to fight Demius Magoulov? Not many, dude. I bet

878
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: a gazillion people have turned down either of them. They

879
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: don't want any of that smoke. So credit to both

880
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: these guys for wanting it. But I just think there

881
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: needs to be a little bit more slickness intentionality, and

882
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: I think there needs to be a certain layered nature

883
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: to the striking of so Yu Can, whereas now it's

884
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 1: a little bit like it's almost robotic and not robotic.

885
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: It's a little bit dismissive, but it's just a little bit.

886
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: It's fundamental, but that's all that it is, Like, you

887
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: definitely want to have the fundamentals. You win with the

888
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: fundamentals plus the slickness and everything else added on top

889
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: over time. It's that extra that I'm looking for that

890
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: he needs to build it against it's mcgoola if it's

891
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: gonna get tested, make no mistake.

892
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: All right, you got me fired up, I'm ready. I'm

893
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: in on there.

894
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: See any other fight on this car that really stands

895
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: out to you. I gotta tell you there's a few.

896
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: Alex Casseris. It's not Cassras, it's Casseris taking on Julian

897
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: rossa juicy j That's a super fun one between the

898
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: two of them. How about Drew Dober versus Bobby Green?

899
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: Which ones do you like on this card?

900
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: I love the bank potential, I mean my true super

901
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 2: sloppy special, not that I think technique wise it's going

902
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: to be sloppy, but from the standpoint of just action,

903
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: is that lightweight? About Drew Drober? Drew Dober versus Bobby Green,

904
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: I think, Luke, both, you know, both could use a big,

905
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: convincing win in this case, and the best way to

906
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: get that is to go out guns blazing based on

907
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: their preferences and histories to do so. So I expect action.

908
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: But Luke, can you when we're talking about the featured

909
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 2: prelim card on the ESPN Plus card in that one

910
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: one five division, can you humor me at all about

911
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 2: one twenty seven year old Cheyenne f Listmas, who you

912
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: know we thought was gonna fight uh what's her name

913
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 2: from Brazil Luke that fight for the reach Sabbatha Ricci

914
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: and has been you know middling to a certain degree

915
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: on this lower prelim early prelim level three or sorry

916
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 2: two and one in the UFC. Also had a victory

917
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: in the Dana Whits Contender series. The only loss was

918
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: that decision to Monserrat, which had that famous trash talk

919
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: and nastiness back and forth. But we have seen Cheyenne

920
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: be explosive that that head kick finished two fights ago

921
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: was fantastic. You know, outside of the ridiculousness and all

922
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: that and JP Bays and all the drama, she's a

923
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: real fighter underneath there. Has she put on enough wrinkles

924
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: though in the fight game and added enough and it's

925
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: not like this opponent here in terms of the challenge

926
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: in Corey McKenney should Corey McKenna should be a good one.

927
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 2: But I'm not talking about you know, top five, top

928
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 2: seven here. How good is cheyennelict miss Luke? Because I

929
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 2: have a feeling along with that fighting spirit that she's

930
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: starting to put it together, But I'm prepared if you

931
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 2: need to rain on my parade. I mean, you know, no, listen,

932
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: I'm not.

933
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: It's a good question, like how good listening?

934
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 2: So watch your back. But my point is this, Luke,

935
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: is it just that I love the factory town spirit

936
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: here out of Chyenne or is there a real fighter

937
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: under there?

938
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: I think it's probably some of that. I also feel

939
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: like she puts together like most of her wins or

940
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: via decision, which I think a lot of people say

941
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: is something of a negative, and it can be for

942
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: any fighter who has mostly decisions over mostly finishes. Although

943
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 1: that's that's actually a lot of fighters it that way,

944
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: But I mean, like predominantly, like almost exclusively that. But

945
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: what I would also tell you is that someone who

946
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: can do that pretty consistently can put together a complete performance,

947
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: right or some version of a complete performance, so complete

948
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: enough certainly through the course of fifteen minutes, at a

949
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: pretty consistent level. You have to have, you know, respectively

950
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: well rounded skills to do that. I also would point

951
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: out BC, she doesn't even have ten MMA fights. She's

952
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: twenty seven years old. She's only got nine MMA fights. Like,

953
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: to answer your question, dude, we don't even know. We

954
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: don't even know, we don't We're not even This is

955
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: not Patty, who I think is also twenty seven but

956
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: has been fighting for a decade, right, He's got twenty

957
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: plus fights, nearly twenty five fights. I mean, that's a

958
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: lot of experience, that's a lot of tape. That's sort

959
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: of getting a composite sketch of someone nine fights, nine fights,

960
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: and only what two in the US, three in the UFC,

961
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: the one lost to Ruiz, that's it, and we just

962
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: don't have a clear sense of things. She did get

963
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: a finish in the not the last one, but the

964
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: one prior to that, so nasty right right right against

965
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: Gloria de Paul to Paul, excuse me, that's a great

966
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: performance too. So my answer to you is we have

967
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: seen respectable world well roundedness, not that one fight, notwithstanding

968
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: not a ton of lethality through the course of it.

969
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: But the caveat is twenty seven years old, a complete

970
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: total of nine pro fights. We just got to wait

971
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: and see how much better she gets. That's really the

972
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: honest to god answer.

973
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: Are you surprised though? If it ends up going out

974
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: this way? Right now? This is the way it's set

975
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: up in Wikipedia that this is the featured bout of

976
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: the prelims on ESPN Plus against Corey McKenna. Are you

977
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: surprised that Listmus is getting this type of shine though,

978
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: I mean, just just three UFC fights up to this point.

979
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: Not necessarily. This is a hot division, right, Women's one

980
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: to fifteen is the best one of the three. There's

981
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: a lot of new faces in this weight class. They're

982
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: trying to sort of jockey for position to get up there.

983
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: The UFC putting a little bit of featuring behind that,

984
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: I think makes some sense, to be quite honest with you. Yeah,

985
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, there's always gonna be heavyweights on the main

986
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: card and everyone's gonna groan. But the reality is this division,

987
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: it does it. How should I say this? It's like,

988
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: you know what, it reminds me of BC. I'm being

989
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: dead serious. It reminds me not quite at the same

990
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: stage where the barbarians at one fifty five are at

991
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: the gate, right, they're already banging on the gate. They're

992
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: banging on the door. Right. The guys like Ismagoulav and

993
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: we mentioned them, so are Yuki and all those guys,

994
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: the gam rats, They're already there at one fifteen. The

995
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: Barbarians are not at the gate yet for the top

996
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: of that division. That's not quite true. But there is

997
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: so much talent in this division that it needs effective

998
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: promotion and good matchmaking to help sort everything that's coming

999
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: and going. Giving that a featured slot, in my view,

1000
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: is important. So one fifteen is not at the same

1001
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: as one men's fifty five in terms of the contender surging,

1002
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: but I don't think they're far behind. I do think

1003
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: there's going to be a class that's gonna graduate in

1004
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: the next few years that's going to begin to take

1005
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: over that top five. Is Listener's part of that. We

1006
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: don't know. Saturday will help us give give us a

1007
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: better answer.

1008
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, final question regarding the Warrior Princess here, Luke, Her

1009
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: and Roman, where are they fitting in on your MMA

1010
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 2: power couple of pound for pound rankings At the moment,

1011
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: it's a crowded field. You know, Nina and Amanda have

1012
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: been my number one, But let's give a shout out

1013
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 2: to Rocky and t Shaw. Luke, they they are baby

1014
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 2: on the way here in that couple, so shout out

1015
00:47:53,440 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 2: to them starting a family car. You know there's a

1016
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 2: few of them out there. Luke, these power couples sometimes

1017
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: they break up.

1018
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: Though. This is a member that that that captures your attention.

1019
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: This is not a thing captures mind.

1020
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 2: All right, all right, that's I guess that's fair, Luke. Also,

1021
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 2: we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bannam Wait, Sayid

1022
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: Nirmaga Metov coming back. I'm not gonna attempt to pronounce

1023
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: his opponent's name. I love if you could, though, But

1024
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 2: you know, it's the question that I think we ask

1025
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 2: in light of the hammer takeover of late in general,

1026
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: but also in light of you know, in this Normaga

1027
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 2: metof extended family from coach Habib to Usman to Islam Madchev,

1028
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: who's basically, you know, another brother or cousin in that group,

1029
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: even if he's not officially related. Umar is coming on,

1030
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: is Sayid coming on? I mean, there's gotta be a

1031
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 2: frank stallone in the group, but Tito Jackson, there's gotta

1032
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: eventually be somebody who's just average.

1033
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: Luke, Yeah, I think this is the one that's on

1034
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: the outs with the rest of the family, right, So

1035
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: he's a little bit by himself and that we're I

1036
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: think this is the one that's like that. But the

1037
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: other opponent. So my understanding is whenever you see a

1038
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 1: K and an h together, that's the back of the throat.

1039
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 1: Huh sound huh, like I have my a buddy of mine.

1040
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: And this is true, not just in In, this is

1041
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: true in several languages, by the way, like in Farsi.

1042
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: It's true. So whenever you see a k and ah together,

1043
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: that should be the hub. But we don't do that

1044
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: for Habibi either. We kind of just call it we

1045
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: kill the K and just say the H. So I'm

1046
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: gonna say kah Romanov, kah Romanov, kak Kromanov, something like

1047
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: that is the opponent here for Nimerga Madov. But that's

1048
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: the best I can do to answer the question. Yeah,

1049
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: he doesn't exactly appear to be quite on the level

1050
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,479
Speaker 1: as the rest of the Nimerga Madovs, but I don't

1051
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: have much more to say than that.

1052
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: I mean, he did he did come off a victory

1053
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 2: over Silva deyon drod that absolutely, Jack, dude, He submitted,

1054
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,479
Speaker 2: Cody submitted Cody, stayman, I know he's got that one

1055
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: loss in the UFC A decision lost to Honey Barcelos.

1056
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 2: But all right, so we don't have to be like, uh,

1057
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 2: we'll put them a peg down, right, I mean, like

1058
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: remember that von Eric brother, the real small one. I

1059
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: don't know if he's like, like you know, Chris von

1060
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: Eric level, that's a little insulting. Maybe more like Mike

1061
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: von Eric level.

1062
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, right, something like that. Okay, anything else

1063
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: on this card, BC, you want to move on.

1064
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 2: Good preview there.

1065
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 1: You know when you look Marquez, this is Deron wins

1066
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: on this card, Deron win. He might need a win

1067
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: here if he wants to stay in the UFC.

1068
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: It's yeah, he might be going back to Golden Boy Mma,

1069
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 2: Luke if he doesn't pull this off. I mean, when

1070
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 2: you're four foot eleven, Luke, it's hard to know what

1071
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 2: division to get into, right, I mean it's rough.

1072
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's a little strong. That's a little strong, BC,

1073
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: that's a little strong. Uh. Also, Jake Matthews looking amazing

1074
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: in his last fight taking on the DC area as

1075
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: Matthew Simmelsburger. That should be a that should be a

1076
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: win for Matthews. Let me see the odds on that one.

1077
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: Our friends over at Caesar's they have that one. Oh yeah,

1078
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: they've got Matthews as a minus two sixty. That sounds

1079
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: about right to me. And Deron win by the way,

1080
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: as a plus one forty against the minus one sixty

1081
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: five for Julian Marquez. So this is a tough one.

1082
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: This is a tough one. All right, let's talk about

1083
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: Francis and Ghanu, and let's talk about free agency, because

1084
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: we appear to have a bit of an update BC.

1085
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 1: So our friend John nash at hang out the face

1086
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: on Twitter he had an important update. Let's go tweet

1087
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: by tweet here NBC, and then we'll get your reaction here. Actually,

1088
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: you can work with me the whole way. We have

1089
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: a series of pictures here. I'm gonna read to you

1090
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: what he says on the tweet, and we're gonna look

1091
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: at the picture quote. I think Francis or in Ghanu

1092
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: in this case, might already be a free agent BC.

1093
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: A quick thread. He's gonna be using excerpt from other

1094
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: UFC contracts, all of which have the same text. One

1095
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: Francis has said he's gonna be a free agent in December.

1096
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: That would be based on the effective date of his contract.

1097
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: And we don't really need you can go to the

1098
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: next lide. This is the agreement here. You can see

1099
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: right there, okay. Tweet two. The effective date is the

1100
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: date of the signature on the signature page. Based on

1101
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: all the interviews where in Ghanu has mentioned being a

1102
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: free agent, it sounds like the sign date was sometime

1103
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: in early December of twenty seven. He's got twenty eighteen there,

1104
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,959
Speaker 1: but it's twenty seventeen in actuality. He fixed it later,

1105
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: So there you have it. Okay. The effective date, the

1106
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: date when it is signed, is the date that the

1107
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: contract starts or commences. Right there, you have it. Okay,

1108
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: we take a look at the picture. Okay, there you

1109
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: have it, and you can take a screenshot. You can

1110
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 1: go back and read all this stuff.

1111
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: Four.

1112
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: A new provision put in every contract I've seen post

1113
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen states the agreement will not be extended pursuant

1114
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: to the section four beyond the date, which is five

1115
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: years after the effective date of this agreement. That's the

1116
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: tweet and then you can see the actual language right there.

1117
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: Tweet five. So five years after the date it was

1118
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: signed would be sometime in early December. I have said

1119
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: in the past that I thought the contract would it

1120
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: in January, but that's based on a faulty reading of

1121
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: another contract, not the current standard. So Francis could very

1122
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: well be a free agent by now and last, but

1123
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: not least. Also, the UFC contracts no longer include an

1124
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: inclusive excuse me, an exclusive negotiating period Diaz has did,

1125
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: but that's not no longer in play. But they still

1126
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: have the twelve month matching period. So as soon as

1127
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: Francis's effective date has passed, which it might already have,

1128
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: he's free to talk to anyone BC. Let's assume, for

1129
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: the sake of argument, that this is a correct reading,

1130
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: which I'm inclined to believe that it is. Your reaction is.

1131
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: What, well? I want to ask you, what's the real

1132
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 2: news here? Is the real news that he may already

1133
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: be doesn't the wait till the end of December to

1134
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: become a free agent, along with UFC having an additional

1135
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 2: year to match any offers. Is that what you're saying.

1136
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get it all together.

1137
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: The news here would be Let's think about what the

1138
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: UFC has teased as potentials for twenty twenty three under

1139
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: the idea that Francis is no longer under contract with them, right,

1140
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: we're just operating like it's going to happen. He might

1141
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: already be done and moving on to a different direction now.

1142
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: I have seen some reports that they are a current

1143
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: talks with the UFC, and that those talks have gone

1144
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: largely well. But what I'm wondering is have there been

1145
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: strategic announcements that have been made that are not in

1146
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: keeping with the contractual realities about his current position?

1147
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, having all the announced, has

1148
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 2: UFC commented publicly on this, Look, it seems like we're

1149
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: all going on information people are sourcing off of, you know,

1150
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: managers or in like in this case, former you know

1151
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 2: contracts that are similar in terms of exact length.

1152
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is largely based on people talking to managers.

1153
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 2: That's right, you know, whether he is already officially a

1154
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 2: free agent or has to wait until December twenty eighth

1155
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 2: or thirty first, or whatever it is the end of

1156
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: the day. I don't really feel like this changes much.

1157
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: The only thing that I think has changed in this

1158
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 2: process since he beat Gon has been I don't feel

1159
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 2: like he has the same immediate level of leverage he

1160
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 2: may have had back at that point where there was

1161
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: more talk about the idea of him crossing over, and

1162
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: you know, if he was able to get out of

1163
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 2: his UFC deal or if he was able to sign

1164
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 2: a new type of hybrid deal which would allow him

1165
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: to do things on the side. I mean, any interest

1166
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: in him against Tyson Fury. No one's talking about it anymore, Luke.

1167
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that, Like, what is the boxing talk?

1168
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: Because it seems like the fight against Chazora, the third

1169
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 1: one we just had, was basically a waste of everyone's

1170
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: time except for one thing. It just kept him circulating

1171
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: in headlines after that, after the face off with Usik

1172
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: about this is the direction I'm headed. He didn't tease WWE,

1173
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 1: he didn't tease retirement. He teased I'm gonna keep boxing,

1174
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: and this is the lane I want to go in Francis,

1175
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: he was there after the Dillian White fight. He was

1176
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 1: not there after this fight. To me, that's pretty telling.

1177
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's a lane anymore. That makes

1178
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 2: the risk worth it of not going back. But let's

1179
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: ask ourselves, what is that risk. If he doesn't sign

1180
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 2: with them, it doesn't mean he never could again, right,

1181
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 2: So it's not like it's all or nothing one or

1182
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 2: the other in that way. But he also couldn't fight

1183
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 2: John Jones and arguably the biggest pay per view that

1184
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 2: can make next year unless he resigns. I just think

1185
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: in general, Francis has lost what I assume some of

1186
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: that initial leverage to be and if you're UFC, you

1187
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: are in a decent spot should he walk away, Meaning

1188
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 2: I don't think they have to bend to every turn

1189
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 2: because you've got Cyril Gon, You've got John Jones coming in,

1190
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: You've still got Steepe around, You've still got a you know,

1191
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 2: additional players who are good or marketable around that. I

1192
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: feel like this is as abundant as the heavyweight division

1193
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 2: has ever been in terms of our consistent entertainment and

1194
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 2: fantasy matchmaking. So all that goes into play to say, well,

1195
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 2: what does that mean? Does that mean Francis has lost

1196
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 2: some of that leverage and him resigning me he is

1197
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: late in his career in advanced and will need to

1198
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 2: prove to us coming off with this knee injury that

1199
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: he is the same guy. I just think any form

1200
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 2: of fighting on his end to say my new contract

1201
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 2: must be the kind of unique one that no one's

1202
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: ever had before in the UFC at this level. I

1203
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: don't know if he has levers to pull that off.

1204
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 2: So as long as that's not what it's about, and

1205
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: it's really more about him getting more money that could

1206
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 2: be in play. I just think that leverage is there

1207
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: because this Jones fight is absolutely you know, they can't

1208
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 2: do it without him in that regard. But John Jones

1209
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 2: coming back at heavyweight is big regardless, and you know,

1210
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's weird. Look, I just said nothing,

1211
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 2: which probably is typical in these parts for me in

1212
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 2: saying a lot. But I said nothing because I don't

1213
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: know necessarily what this advance is in the news cycle.

1214
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: I'm shocked from the moment he beat Gon Cyril gone

1215
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: and you know, rightfully we applauded him. I'm shocked there

1216
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 2: has not been a development since then. I really am.

1217
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: I'm shocked that he didn't re sign early and re

1218
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 2: extend his contract. You know, maybe it does come down

1219
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 2: to that lack of assumed leverage we thought he had,

1220
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 2: but with that Fury fight kind of going away, I

1221
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: guess the best question I could spin back at you

1222
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: after saying nothing, Luke, is what are his true options

1223
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: outside of resigning with the UFC that are bigger, more

1224
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 2: financially relevant, that would make sense to compass the negotiation table,

1225
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 2: coming back and dealing not with unfinished business but with

1226
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: big business ahead of him, and the idea of eventually

1227
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 2: rematching Gon fighting Stepe a third time fighting John Jones,

1228
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: all that that comes with that.

1229
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna spit it back to you, but I'm

1230
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: going to do it in a way that would kind

1231
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: of answer this, or at least it would help me

1232
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: answer it. Follow me for a second. We might think

1233
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: it unthinkable, but we have heard Bob Aram express interest

1234
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: at times in working with Francis. Even our own Steven

1235
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: Espinosa and various interviews has said that it's something that

1236
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: they would at least consider right there, has expressed some

1237
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: interest in that way. So let me ask you this

1238
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: to help answer the question. What if we got a

1239
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: press release tomorrow that said Francis and Gon who has

1240
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: signed a two fight PBC deal, What are the fights

1241
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: they could actually make if they had a two fight

1242
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 1: PBC deal? And now I want to be clarifying here,

1243
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: we're imagining that the commission would not get in the

1244
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: way of him fighting premier talent Like you know, no

1245
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: name is unattainable by virtue of the difference in boxing

1246
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: ability or experience two fight deal what happens?

1247
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: I mean, Look, the idea of him against Deontay Wilder

1248
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 2: in a pay per view does bring back to life

1249
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 2: the potential you know of not going back to the

1250
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: UFC and what type of money could you make? Could

1251
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 2: you then make another fun sort of crossover type fight.

1252
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 2: You could? But would you agree that that's a I mean,

1253
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 2: So that's the question Francis is facing right now, a

1254
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: potential divergent turn into boxing where he could make more

1255
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: money in theory than he could signing back with the UFC.

1256
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 2: Is Francis willing to put off the future history that

1257
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 2: could be in front of him and fighting a John

1258
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 2: Jones and cleaning out this division for that accumulated millions. Yeah,

1259
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 2: I guess it is probably worth it in the end, Luke.

1260
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 2: But would the UFC let him walk instead of trying

1261
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: to make some type of hybrid contract work? And the

1262
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 2: only way a hybrid contract would work in my eyes,

1263
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: is if there was enough audience and network want and

1264
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 2: pull for him, not in the PBC, but particularly against Fury,

1265
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 2: because if it was like top rank, Dana and Disney

1266
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 2: all sitting down in the same room and going, we

1267
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: all want this, let's do this. That's one thing, but

1268
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if there is that will and pull

1269
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: for that. Now what I love to see him fighting

1270
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 2: against Wilder. Yeah, that makes it a little bit more

1271
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Speaker 2: interesting because of wild there's lack of overall pure boxing

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01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,439
Speaker 2: skills compared to his regular competition. But I don't know, Luke.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, I is this worth

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01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 2: it for Francis just to be free, just to make

1275
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 2: this kind of money. If he looks at it as

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01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 2: life changing money regardless, then maybe it is. But John

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01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 2: Jones's arrival in this division, to me, from a sporting

1278
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: from a resume standpoint, history standpoint, still a lot to offer.

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Speaker 2: Francis just the same on healing up and coming back

1280
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: in the octagon, but for more money than he's used to.

1281
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Speaker 2: So I mean, look how you're asking me how realistic

1282
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 2: a potential thing here is. Yeah, one fight against Wilder, sure,

1283
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 2: but what if in any one off boxing match it

1284
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 2: goes disastrous for him? And I don't mean disastrous necessarily

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Speaker 2: from getting knocked out cold, because I think he's willing

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01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 2: to take that risk, clearly, but just disasterisk from the

1287
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Speaker 2: standpoint that he's not good and it's not entertaining, then, right,

1288
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 2: are you gonna want to see a second fight? I

1289
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 2: don't know. Then does he lose any leverage in coming

1290
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,919
Speaker 2: back to the UFC? Is there a market for him

1291
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 2: in MMA outside of the UFC has to be the

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Speaker 2: question that's packaged with this. Obviously everybody's gonna want him,

1293
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 2: but are there enough opponents and money out there to

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Speaker 2: make it worth it.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I think is gonna happen. Here's what I think.

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Speaker 1: I think, even despite the fact that he is probably

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Speaker 1: now a free agent, what I think is gonna happen

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01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: is he's going to re sign with UFC. Right for

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01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. I think One, I think he

1300
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: does want to defend the title, and I think obviously

1301
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: the Jones flight is huge, so the competitive of spirit

1302
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: plus the financial reward and all the significance they're in

1303
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: the nexus between them is going to be very appealing

1304
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: to him. But I do think that when the next

1305
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: unless the UFC signs him to like a seven fight

1306
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: deal or some shit, if he gets out of the

1307
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: next deal, like he completes the next version of it,

1308
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: I think at the end of that, he might try

1309
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: boxing right when it's like the very best of his

1310
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: MMA days are over. The question you have to ask

1311
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: yourself is are the very best of his MMA days over?

1312
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: Don't know, don't know, We'll have to see. That's the

1313
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: interesting part here.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, when you combine his age, which again we're

1315
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 2: not concerned because it's heavyweight necessarily with age, but more

1316
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,439
Speaker 2: the potential of how much that injury and recovery could

1317
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 2: compromise him moving forward. Could you talk yourself into the

1318
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 2: idea that it might be better to go to boxing

1319
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 2: so you're not worrying about getting kicked in the leg

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Speaker 2: or taking people down or any of that side of it, Luke,

1321
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 2: in terms of longevity.

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Speaker 1: Yep, you could do that. I mean again, I still

1323
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: think that he wants to go in there and beat

1324
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: John Jones. I really do. And if the Tyson Fury

1325
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: fight were hotter right now, different conversation.

1326
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you make a good point if he goes in there,

1327
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 2: if he signs a smaller deal, if he goes in

1328
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 2: there and beats John Jones, gone a second time, stepe

1329
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: for all we know at third you know a second time, dude,

1330
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 2: won't that raise the price? So much more for the

1331
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 2: idea of a one night, one off boxing crossover. I

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01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 2: think it would, think it would.

1333
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. So we'll have to see

1334
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: all right, Topic number three here, Justin Gaichee got into

1335
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: it with the Dave Portnoy. Dave Portnoy's official title was like,

1336
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: he's a president and founder of Barstool Sports. Is that right?

1337
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: I think that's right. So this is the intersection between

1338
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: two things. Let me read one side of it and

1339
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: then get to the other part of it. BCE. So

1340
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: Justin Gaichie had this back and forth with Dave Portnoy

1341
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: on Twitter where I think, I think what I could

1342
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: be wrong about this, but I think what originally started

1343
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: it was that Gaichie. Yeah, here it is tweet one.

1344
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: He said in a tweet quote, this makes the Barstool

1345
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: guys look really bad just bending over for the lad

1346
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: fight at the night we're talking about Patty and Gordon.

1347
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: Barstool can give him fifty K, but that performance will

1348
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: never get you a bonus in the octagon, right. So

1349
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: then Dave Portnoy responds, Okay, he responds, people are telling me.

1350
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: Justin Gaige was recently seen hanging out with a warlord,

1351
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: accuse the brutal crimes against humanity. So it's hypocritical for

1352
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: him to say we look bad for supporting Patty when

1353
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,439
Speaker 1: he supports a war lord. I'm gonna take the high

1354
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: road and not mention it hashtag Davy high road. Okay,

1355
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: so obviously he mentions it outright, and then Gechee doesn't

1356
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: take kindly. This that's outright lie and a slander. Hashtag

1357
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: Dave's a bitch is what he says.

1358
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 2: All right, what part of that is a lie?

1359
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: What I mean? You know, it's not quite right. It's

1360
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: not quite right, and I'll explain why in just a second.

1361
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: So at this point, if you go and watch what

1362
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: people are saying to him, they're eating Justin Gaigie alive

1363
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: and in the comment threads we should be noting here

1364
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: Justin Gaichi has always been nice to us. I do

1365
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: like him. I've often said and always said, I think

1366
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: you've really needs to reconsider this relationship that he has

1367
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: developed or whatever this money that he took. But you know,

1368
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and fucking bang my fist

1369
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: down the for Mica and ask to see the manager

1370
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: about it like it is what it is I suppose anyway.

1371
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: So he says, never met the guy, Go fuck yourself. Okay,

1372
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 1: here's the problem. A fan begins to show him pictures

1373
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: of all the stuff he was doing and all the

1374
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: videos and mentions it anyway. He says, come on, guy,

1375
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: you won't show me one picture of video of me

1376
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: with the guy you were talking about. I was there, right,

1377
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: it continues, Hold on just a second. They're starting to

1378
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 1: show him all this shit, right, all the pictures of

1379
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: him shooting guns with the children or one of the

1380
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: children anyway of Kadirov. And he says, are you saying

1381
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: all Russians look alike went for the kid's birthday party?

1382
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: I also like to shoot guns. BC. This is on

1383
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: par with the shaggy defense. Do you know what the

1384
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: shaggy defense is.

1385
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't me.

1386
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, sir. We even caught you in the shower,

1387
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't me. We even have you on camera, it

1388
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: wasn't me. We even have you banging on the sofa.

1389
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 1: It wasn't It wasn't me. Now what he's saying is

1390
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: technically true. There are the best we know. There are

1391
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: no pictures of him with actually Kadirov. There are pictures

1392
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: of him with the children or a child anyway of

1393
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: cadirrav a teenage son. I believe it was one of

1394
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: the ones that was there. Not all of the Kadirov

1395
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: children are sanctioned by the US Treasury Department. The older

1396
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: ones are, but not all of them, are the younger

1397
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: ones or not. So it's not technically true that, as

1398
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: far as we know, he met Kadirov, but he did

1399
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: do this. What do you make of the day versus

1400
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: justin part and everything else involved here? And I have

1401
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: a note after.

1402
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, I mean, I echo what you're saying. Love

1403
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 2: Justin Gatget one of my favorite fighters to be at

1404
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 2: fair in the history of this sport. I do think

1405
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 2: in general, like, isn't something coming here, Luke? I mean,

1406
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 2: isn't there a New York Times investigative piece that just

1407
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 2: came off? Look on the boxing side, anybody associated with

1408
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 2: Daniel Kinahan comparatively, is now not allowed to fly into

1409
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 2: the States. Tyson Fury can't come back and fight and

1410
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 2: lies Las Vegas until all that's figured out. I mean, Luke,

1411
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 2: is it unfair to compare and in this case with Geechee,

1412
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 2: all that stuff might be true? What you're saying, meaning

1413
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 2: he might have been there with the Suns. Yeah, we

1414
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 2: don't see official pictures. But the point of the New

1415
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 2: York Times story in general is how close is KADIRV

1416
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 2: to the sport? Well? Very close? I mean, you know

1417
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 2: they mentioned magomatical ankle lie Off in that piece. So

1418
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: considering what's been going, what happened in boxing, in the

1419
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 2: crackdown with anyone Kinahan related, and the fact that you know,

1420
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 2: aren't we supplying resources to the country that's fighting in

1421
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 2: a war opposite this country and one of these leaders,

1422
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 2: shouldn't something be handed down soon? Lou to try to

1423
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 2: draw a line in the sand in terms of what

1424
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 2: is in good taste and what isn't in terms of

1425
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 2: the relations and who you hang out with. I mean, like,

1426
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 2: do you need a Dana White statement on this to

1427
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 2: feel good about this?

1428
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if you need a din In White statement,

1429
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: But to me this feels akin to the James situation.

1430
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: That might sound a little crazy, but here's what I mean.

1431
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: Obviously they're very different in any number of different ways.

1432
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: They're totally different in that sense. But the thing that

1433
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: might unite them was the UFC only issued that guidance

1434
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: about betting very late into the game and right before

1435
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: all of this other shit broke, so like they got

1436
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 1: it out right on time, or I should say they

1437
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: got it out as late as they possibly could while

1438
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: still being on the side before everything went to shit.

1439
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: But you can see like there's an issue there about betting,

1440
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: Like you know, we didn't talk about this BC. But

1441
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: like part of the reason I wonder I wonder about

1442
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,560
Speaker 1: how the reaction to the Patty and Gordon decision is

1443
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: the fact that it happened a week after like two

1444
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: Canadian provinces in the state of New Jersey had had

1445
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: these questions about betting integrity, either in the UFC or

1446
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: James Cross more specifically, Like there's these questions about product integrity,

1447
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: whether or not they're fair or not. They are certainly

1448
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 1: a part of it. And so the UFC is now

1449
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: like you see Dana White, we didn't talk about this either.

1450
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: You see Dana White at the postfight press conference at

1451
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: twoity two, like he was he was on a heater man,

1452
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: Like he was not in a good mood at all.

1453
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: What that's about, hard to say. I bring it up

1454
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 1: to point out this Kadirov situation feels like it is

1455
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: inevitably he headed towards a very clear and obvious conclusion

1456
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 1: about no one's going to be either allowed to come

1457
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: here that's got associations with him, and if you do

1458
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 1: business with him, you might generally get in serious fucking

1459
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 1: trouble right of any kind. In fact, this is what

1460
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 1: the New York Times article says. Quote a State Department

1461
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: official familiar with the investigations of Kadirov's business dealings said

1462
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: in a statement, and this is the quoting in the article,

1463
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: the Department of State is aware of Kadirov's association with

1464
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 1: Chechen UFC fighters. The official was not authorized to publicly

1465
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 1: discuss the application of the Treasury sanctions and shared the

1466
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: statement on the condition of anonymity. Although the State Department

1467
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,719
Speaker 1: had previously noted Khdirov's ties within combat sports, the statement

1468
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: is the first direct mention of athletes with the UFC

1469
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 1: having ties to Kadirov, and they noted that Maxim Grishin

1470
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to come over here. They suspect, by virtue

1471
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 1: of the fact that he had association with Kadirov, this

1472
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: could happen to on Calia. This could happen to obviously

1473
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: COM's out Chamayah and then anyone who does business with him. Dude,

1474
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I feel like this is headed towards

1475
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: If you touch it at all, you're out. The UFC

1476
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: might want to get involved here to it feels past

1477
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: due that situation.

1478
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like long past two past. Do excuse

1479
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 2: me for the UFC to get involved, and you know,

1480
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 2: it doesn't help the timing on what Justin and Dave

1481
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 2: were arguing there, which is usman Sehudo and gay Chee

1482
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 2: going over there. And again it's like on the surface,

1483
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, people can have friends or sponsors

1484
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 2: or whomever that you know, whoever they want, and you know,

1485
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 2: even if it's somebody you think might be questionable. But

1486
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 2: in this case, that's why I asked you upfront. Is

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01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 2: Kinahan and Kadeerov comparable? Yeah, it seems like they very

1488
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 2: are Luke from the standpoint of if you're caught with

1489
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 2: you know, if you have ties with him and you

1490
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,600
Speaker 2: still want to be in the UFC, it might be

1491
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 2: smart for the company to make people cut those ties

1492
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, right, I mean, that's

1493
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 2: that just seems uh that just seems way too smart. So,

1494
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,759
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of the Portnoyd versus Gay Chee,

1495
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 2: it was it was humorous to a certain degree. I mean,

1496
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 2: I've never disliked Portnoy, even though he went to Mike's

1497
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 2: Pizza Palace in Ougta, Connecticut and just butchered the one

1498
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 2: bite rating for you know, my favorite stop of all time.

1499
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 2: But you know, look, why was him and Gagee kind

1500
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 2: of going after because I think people are getting a

1501
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 2: little bit sick of this, right the wigs up front,

1502
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 2: you know, front row, Molly running around with people on

1503
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 2: her shoulders. I mean, this has almost been unprecedented to

1504
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 2: a certain degree. And two fighters, Patty and Molly, both

1505
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 2: who show large marketing potential, you know, but we're questioning

1506
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 2: both in terms of their long term ability, in terms

1507
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 2: of like just letting that become a parade circus and

1508
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 2: side show. And I don't know, like where are the

1509
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 2: lines there, Luke. I mean, it's great to be popular

1510
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 2: and have rich friends, and I'm sure it's not bad

1511
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 2: business for UFCE to give you know, Portnoy, whoever else

1512
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 2: is cool in the moment tickets right in the front,

1513
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 2: But you know, this does start to be like it.

1514
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 2: It doesn't help Patty. It may help him financially, but

1515
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 2: it doesn't help him in this larger discussion of is

1516
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 2: he overrated? Is he in Dana White's pocket? Is the

1517
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 2: company you know, going crazy to try to push him? Well? Yes, yes, yes,

1518
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 2: and yes right.

1519
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: Well, on the hand, I mean, here's the thing, here's

1520
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: what I would say. On the one hand, like I

1521
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 1: actually feel like a guy like Dave Portnoy in barstool

1522
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 1: getting behind a UFC fighter and allowing that guy to

1523
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: make money in the way that they could through whatever

1524
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: arrangement they have in media and marketing and events and

1525
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: everything else. I actually feel like, like that is great,

1526
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: Like I would love to see more of that. To

1527
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: be honest with you, it's just that they bet the

1528
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: farm on talent that you know, We'll see how far

1529
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 1: Molley Meatball goes. But like in general, you know, I don't.

1530
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 1: It's not like they put their money on arminsar Ugen

1531
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 1: and Demir Ismagoulav, who I feel like would go very far.

1532
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: It's I think there's a perception that they put their

1533
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 1: money on talent. That is something of a there's a

1534
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: perception anyway, And you can decide whether it's fair or not,

1535
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: but that is a function of marketing and hype and

1536
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: then regional bias and not anything more than that. I

1537
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 1: think people are like, well, what the fuck is this?

1538
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's not like you're putting it on Izzy

1539
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 1: on the Rise up or something, although he faced endless

1540
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: skepticism as well, But you know, either way, like getting

1541
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: mad at Barstool for giving money to a guy, even

1542
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: for a guy who you know may or may not

1543
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: win a championship. I don't know. I don't really see

1544
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: the point in that personally, but I guess I understand

1545
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: that people are kind of sick of it.

1546
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 2: So I guess it's just like, if you're an elite

1547
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 2: fighter who doesn't have that, are you annoyed where you

1548
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 2: feel like the company is complicit in this it's overhyping.

1549
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 1: But I mean, of course they'll be game. This is

1550
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: the pea game, you know what I mean? Like, that's

1551
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 1: how it works. It's a superstar business, dude. People don't

1552
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: necessarily pay money for quality. They pay money sometimes for quality,

1553
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes for hype. Sometimes when it's Conrad his peak,

1554
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 1: it's hype and quality at the same time. But is

1555
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: quality always a function of their choices.

1556
01:13:56,240 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 2: No, no, it's not. Yeah, all right, there's always only pipes.

1557
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 2: If you want more money, though, you know.

1558
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: Let's go to only pipes and Luke and Brian have

1559
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: sex over over on only pipes. All right, how about

1560
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 1: this little fun nugget Mohegan son, I should say, Mohegan

1561
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: athletic director, one more time. Let me try this before

1562
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: I completely botch it. Mohegan, Athletic Department, Director of Athletics.

1563
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: Gonna be could you have a worst less reasonable stounding title?

1564
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 1: But he's a good guy. Mike Mizzouli expressed, listen to this,

1565
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 1: no issues with the final outcome. We're talking about the

1566
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: Sabatello and Statts fight right now. Remember Sabatello ended up

1567
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 1: losing Stots winning via majority. I think it's going to

1568
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: be via a split decision. Two of the cards went

1569
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: his way, and then that Douglas Crosby all time whopper

1570
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: of a shit dog card fifty to forty five for Sabatello.

1571
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: Here's where it comes down and gets a little bit

1572
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: more interesting. I think this comes to us from are

1573
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: Hajwuane and maybe some other folks. But he put out

1574
01:14:56,120 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 1: a statement. Missouli was concerned about the controversial fifty to

1575
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 1: forty five scorecard. As a result, he's scheduled to review

1576
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 1: a review with the three judges on the fight, Crosby,

1577
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 1: Eric Cologne, and Brian Minner now Missouli statement says quote

1578
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: in the last Bellator event, this is the one December ninth,

1579
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: there was a controversy in the Sabatello stots fight. After

1580
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: reviewing the fight, three rounds of the five rounds were

1581
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: extremely close and the other two were marginally close rounds.

1582
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 1: One judge had Sabatela winning all five rounds, which is controversial. Ultimately,

1583
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: Stotts won the decision, which is the correct result. He's right.

1584
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: In an effort to make this a learning moment, get

1585
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 1: the fuck out of here. I have informed all three

1586
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: judges we will be reviewing the fight together. In addition,

1587
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,839
Speaker 1: this is a very serious situation, he wrote. The Mohegan

1588
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,679
Speaker 1: Tribe Athletic Department always looks out for the best interest

1589
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: of all fighters. In the past, the Mohegan Tribe Athletic

1590
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 1: Department has sanctioned officials that are not performing to the

1591
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: level that has required. Such sanctions when they occur are

1592
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: not made public. I gotta tell you BC the question

1593
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: I have for you is, do you think this actually

1594
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 1: results in Douglas Crosby getting fewer results, are fewer assignments,

1595
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: because I have to tell you the words learning moment,

1596
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: tell me this isn't gonna do jack shit to that.

1597
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 2: Well, I think, look, I don't have an issue with

1598
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 2: Missoli's statement if this was sort of like a one

1599
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,679
Speaker 2: off card, but I mean this is almost it almost

1600
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 2: feels unprecedented to see Crosby get on a plane and

1601
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 2: be separate coasts and back to back fights with separate

1602
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 2: major organizations and put out separate, largely shited scorecards. So

1603
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 2: so you know, I get the sort of fair nature

1604
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 2: of his statement, like, look, we're gonna investigate, We're gonna

1605
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 2: see what happens whatever. You know, I'm not gonna jump

1606
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 2: out and say, yeah, that sucked, these guys are gonna go.

1607
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 2: But in Crosby's case, it's gonna have to be a

1608
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 2: deep investigation, Luke, because again, nothing really happens in boxing

1609
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 2: either until c J. Ross had back to back stinkers

1610
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 2: at a very high level and then she never worked again.

1611
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just that's just what happened here. So

1612
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 2: both of these scorecards suck without question from Crosby, is

1613
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 2: Brian Minor minnor related to Derek min Or?

1614
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 1: Luke?

1615
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 2: Can we can we can we look even deeper into

1616
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 2: the SABA investigation and maybe find out more on UH

1617
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: on my Parlays and Punati podcast with Coach Kross. But yeah,

1618
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 2: it is a serious situation, as Missoli stated, So I'm

1619
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 2: glad at the very least that they are going to

1620
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:13,879
Speaker 2: look into that. I don't know, it's weird, Luke like separate,

1621
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 2: would either of these scorecards from Crosby made us go nuts? No, right,

1622
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 2: even though like the four fifty forty five kind of sucks.

1623
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 2: But at the same time, could you give three rounds

1624
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 2: to to Sabotello based on how the fight went? Could

1625
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 2: you argue into maybe he just got it? I mean, like,

1626
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 2: I don't think.

1627
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1628
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 2: It's it's really hard. I mean, I've seen so many

1629
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 2: shit scorecards and boxing we're on the regular. I have

1630
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 2: to go is that somebody being stupid? Is that the

1631
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 2: misinterpreting the rules or is that corruption?

1632
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you're you're you're a little jaundiced

1633
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 1: from like decades of watching boxing. I think I'm maybe

1634
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 1: one round for Sabatello, and I think even that's pushing it.

1635
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, I guess there's two in like the theory.

1636
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 2: But then I guess this is best said in a question.

1637
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 2: I don't see corruption when I see this. I do

1638
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 2: see a judge who needs to come down a major peg,

1639
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 2: you know, not fired, and let's burn his body in

1640
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 2: the streets Joan of arc style. But Doug Crosby or

1641
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 2: anybody else who has a major f up, one major

1642
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 2: f up on the high level, dude, you gotta, if

1643
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 2: you're in a commission, if that's respectable, pull these guys

1644
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 2: off the road for a short season, get them back

1645
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 2: into training. Just like if your grandpa, who still got it,

1646
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 2: drives his ford pinto into the front of a coffee shop, Luke,

1647
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 2: and luckily he didn't kill anybody. That guy's got to

1648
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 2: go back for tests two before you can get back

1649
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 2: behind the wheel. My point is it should take some time.

1650
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 2: Do you agree with me that this is more ineptitude

1651
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 2: than corruption? That's what I feel like this whole Doug

1652
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 2: Crosby situation.

1653
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: So people, when you say the word corruption, you mean

1654
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: like when I hear okay, so when I hear the

1655
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 1: word corruption levels.

1656
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 2: The corruption.

1657
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah there's money, I mean, and yeah, I think I

1658
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: think like bribes, I think like you know, criminal acts.

1659
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 1: What I think is actually happening is in the case

1660
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 1: of Douglas Crosby, just clearly incompetent, right, like totally, no

1661
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: question about it. Incompetent. That's the one, right, So that's

1662
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 1: one part. The other part, to me, is not corruption

1663
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 1: in the way that you think you would traditionally define it.

1664
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:09,520
Speaker 1: To me, it's more like the sclerotic nature of bureaucracy

1665
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: where they don't have a lot of available talent to

1666
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: pick from because they don't pay a lot for these jobs.

1667
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of people coming through the door

1668
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 1: to do them. It takes long time to get trained up,

1669
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: and so what ends up happening is they just don't

1670
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 1: cycle talent through very well. They don't really push shit

1671
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 1: talent out and bring in new guys nearly as often

1672
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 1: as they should, I think, even in ways where they

1673
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 1: actually could do it, even despite some limited resources in

1674
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,440
Speaker 1: terms of actually people who could do the job effectively.

1675
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 1: And so what ends up happening is these commissions. And

1676
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 1: by the way, there's no public transparency, like even if

1677
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: we find these or even if we fire these guys,

1678
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: we're not gonna tell you. You should tell the public, man,

1679
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 1: You should tell the public about what you found. You

1680
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: should tell the public about what you know. If you

1681
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 1: want to build trust. Putting up walls when there's no

1682
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: information that people can get reasonably get a sense of

1683
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: what decisions are being made and why doesn't improve trust.

1684
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 1: And you're like, well, we'd get killed no matter what. Yeah,

1685
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 1: but you'd also be getting killed and being transparent. Now

1686
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 1: you're not transparent and still getting killed. You got to

1687
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: tell me that you are not transparent with the public

1688
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: because you think it makes you look good. You are

1689
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 1: transparent with the public because that is the ethical thing

1690
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: to do. It is a virtue in itself, not that

1691
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: it gives you some grand reward. And they seem to

1692
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: not understand this concept about transparency and why you do it.

1693
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: You do it because it's the right thing to do,

1694
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: because the public is owed some measure of transparency here.

1695
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 1: And so when they say shit like we're going to

1696
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 1: turn into a learning woman, I don't know what that means.

1697
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 1: I could be also very jaundice BC. But the thing

1698
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: that drives me crazy is how they don't let the

1699
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:44,679
Speaker 1: public in on any decision making whatsoever. They justify nothing,

1700
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 1: and we're just sitting here with nothing to do about it.

1701
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 2: You're gonna have a hard time for me or you

1702
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 2: to try to sit here and defend athletic commissions in

1703
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,679
Speaker 2: the modern combat sports landscape. When you know, if you're

1704
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 2: the head of the Nevada Commission, God, you want to

1705
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 2: keep promoters happy. You want them to keep coming, You

1706
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 2: want to you know. So, yeah, so there's an unbiased

1707
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 2: there's an unc not unconscious corruption, but there's the corruption

1708
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 2: where you take a loaded envelope to give one person

1709
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 2: a wide score. But I get what you're saying. There's

1710
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 2: also the perceived sort of corruption of like if I

1711
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 2: go with the house fighter, will I get more jobs

1712
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 2: on the regular because the Commission wants big business and

1713
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 2: all that. I think there's a lot of, you know,

1714
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 2: subtle issues like that behind the scenes. But timing of

1715
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:28,600
Speaker 2: this couldn't be worse in my opinion, for UFC and

1716
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 2: company coming off the Crows scandal and the lockdowns put

1717
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 2: on on betting, because that's all about integrity of the game,

1718
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 2: as is this. And look, I think you would say

1719
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 2: in general, boxing's integrity of the game in general as

1720
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 2: it pertains to judging is what horrific the reputation for

1721
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 2: their integrity in general. It's like people just assume, yeah,

1722
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 2: what is the UFC's not role or what can they

1723
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 2: do in this case when you package all these controversies

1724
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 2: together and the wake up call that the James Krouse

1725
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 2: situation was to put in all of these rules and

1726
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 2: walls to protect them so that this sport isn't looked

1727
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 2: at in the same way that boxing can often be

1728
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 2: in the eyes of a casual fan. Think of a

1729
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 2: casual fan who only comes it back to boxing for

1730
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 2: the big fights, puts down their eighty bucks or whatever,

1731
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 2: then sees the decision they disagree with, and then they go, oh,

1732
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 2: I told you, this is why I don't watch the sport.

1733
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 2: I mean, how close can we get to that? Obviously,

1734
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 2: Daniel White and company, unlike a lot of people, don't realize,

1735
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:31,799
Speaker 2: can't just say I want this referee in this commission.

1736
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 2: They're not UFC employees. Obviously we all get that. But

1737
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 2: the time is of the essence right now to I

1738
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 2: don't know, dude, what can Dana do. Knock on the door,

1739
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 2: say Bob Bennet clean fucking house in there, Like, let's

1740
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:45,520
Speaker 2: get rid of these clowns, because this is our reputation.

1741
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 2: These are my fighter's futures and paydays and I'm already

1742
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 2: not paying them enough and I'm gonna keep that firm, okay, brother,

1743
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 2: So don't you fuck them on the back end and

1744
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 2: prevent them from doubling their money and getting that bonus

1745
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 2: or that wind share. Should they do something right now

1746
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 2: to prevent this reputation from going in the direction of boxing.

1747
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,879
Speaker 1: But what can they do? I mean, like, for example,

1748
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 1: I mean, this is why these related. This whole system

1749
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: is just broken beyond repair. Like the UFC. I'm not

1750
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: gonna say they went hat in hand because they didn't.

1751
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: They don't. They don't. They don't have to do that.

1752
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 1: But Dana White getting the commission to regulate slap fighting,

1753
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, he's not gonna come out afterwards and really

1754
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 1: like bash them on the MMA side, not right now.

1755
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,599
Speaker 1: I mean he may well in the future, but you know,

1756
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 1: he needs them a little bit more than they need

1757
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 1: him for the slap fighting shit. Right Like he has

1758
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: now got this. We're slap fighting on air TBS, which

1759
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 1: is not a small station, that's a big one right right,

1760
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: Like he just did. He basically asked a favor and

1761
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 1: they kind of granted it. And you know, maybe it

1762
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 1: makes slap fighting marginally safe for I don't know rightly,

1763
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: it probably is better that it's regulated versus not. But nevertheless,

1764
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 1: it's fucking stupid and the lowest common denominator entertainment imaginable.

1765
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 1: So with that in mind, with that relationship in place,

1766
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: are you really then going to go out and be like,

1767
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,839
Speaker 1: these fucking guys need to get it together. What dogshit,

1768
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 1: what bullshit, let's do that. This is nonsense, Like he

1769
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:13,919
Speaker 1: was killing Stude. He's got too many entanglements and conflicts

1770
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: of interest to really make that push.

1771
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 2: All right, I got a big point on that, But

1772
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 2: you mentioned Mazagatti Dana wanted him so badly out of

1773
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 2: the cage. I love, by the way, that Mazagatti is

1774
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 2: now like the official timekeeper or whatever gone.

1775
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: I believe Jeff mullen is You're right.

1776
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 2: I was gonna dead wrong myself in the moment I

1777
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 2: forgot his replacement's name. You can you can, uh, anyone

1778
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 2: can send it to us. But the point is this

1779
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 2: looked Mazagatti Dana want him out of the octagon so bad,

1780
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 2: But yet the Commission still sits him as like the

1781
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 2: timekeeper right there outside the cage. You can see him

1782
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 2: on TV often, which, by the way, if Aeriel's ever

1783
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 2: completely down on his luck, he should probably make a

1784
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 2: run at referee or judging so he can get back

1785
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 2: on TV there too, to stick it to them. But look,

1786
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 2: the larger real point is this you mentioned Dana's a

1787
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 2: little might be a little bit too close to times

1788
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 2: with the commission. Wasn't Lorenzo on the Athletic Commission in

1789
01:24:56,360 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 2: Nevada at the time that, like uf so, he got

1790
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 2: legalized again and was a big part in that, right

1791
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 2: before the Fertidas and Dana bought the company, like they've

1792
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 2: always kind of been arm in arm with them. Correct.

1793
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't know about the timing there. That part, to me,

1794
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 1: I don't believe is correct. I think you might be

1795
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 1: getting that one wrong. I think he has since departed.

1796
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't think it's legal to do

1797
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 1: what you're suggesting.

1798
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 2: I think it was closer than you may remember. Maybe

1799
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:24,679
Speaker 2: I don't have my timeline.

1800
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:26,759
Speaker 1: I don't think the timing was at all far apart.

1801
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 1: If that's what you mean like, I think it was

1802
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 1: very close, but I don't know if one was actually

1803
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 1: in an active role when that happened. That's what I mean.

1804
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 2: Yes, there was definitely influence though at that point for

1805
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 2: still influence today.

1806
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,679
Speaker 1: Dude, I live in a city. I mean, understand something.

1807
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:44,559
Speaker 1: I live in a fucking city where if you have Okay,

1808
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 1: so let's say you come to town because you work

1809
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 1: for a congressman. Right, they only serve two year terms. Okay,

1810
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 1: many of them tend to get re elected. Many of

1811
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 1: them don't if you tend to serve on someone that

1812
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 1: worked here as a congressman. So the congressman got re

1813
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 1: elected a number of times and was here ten years,

1814
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 1: and you actually, I've seen this happen where guys get,

1815
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: over the course of time elevated to chief of staff

1816
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: and chief speech rider and everything else. And then your

1817
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:07,600
Speaker 1: guy loses an election. What do you do. Do you

1818
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 1: go home to Tennessee where you might be from, or

1819
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: do you stay in DC take a job at a

1820
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 1: lobbying office and then you're right back on Capitol Hill

1821
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: because you actually know who the next chief of staff

1822
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 1: is for the House Armed Services Committee blah blah blah,

1823
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 1: or you know who the actually the right buttons are

1824
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 1: to pull on this particular issue, and then you're now

1825
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 1: very valuable. There's just this gross ass revolving thing. I mean,

1826
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 1: how many guys in the Obama administration ended up working

1827
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 1: in big tech for like Amazon or fucking whoever else,

1828
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 1: because that's the nature of the stuff. The regulatory world

1829
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,640
Speaker 1: in the fight game is not I mean, that's not

1830
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 1: exactly the same or we're not talking about two you know,

1831
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 1: mirror images. But this idea that there's like a clear

1832
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 1: distinction between those who regulate and those who own and

1833
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 1: promote is just, matter of factly not true, not true

1834
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 1: even a fucking little bit. Lots of interchange between people

1835
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: who work at promotions and then on the commission and

1836
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 1: then vice versa. You know, there's a ton of fucking

1837
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 1: conflicts of interest going along where I just don't think

1838
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 1: promotions aren't exactly the same place that they were before

1839
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 1: to really lean on the commissions to get the job done.

1840
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 1: At the same time, you know, the commissions aren't really

1841
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 1: hammering the promotions either, and everyone kind of just leaves

1842
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: the stasis of, hey, let's just all make money together

1843
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 1: kind of in place.

1844
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 2: Luke looking it up quickly. Lorenzo Fertita served on the

1845
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 2: Athletic Commission in the state Nevada through two thousand. ZUFA

1846
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 2: purchased the company in two thousand and one. I'm going

1847
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 2: to do a little bit more research and get back

1848
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 2: to you, but I do believe there was a deeper

1849
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 2: connection in terms of related to that, in terms of

1850
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 2: Nevada approving the Fertidas buying the company, and then that

1851
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 2: simultaneously with getting it approved the comfier. My point is,

1852
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 2: then people realize even to the level of an MMA

1853
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 2: fighting story here from twenty seventeen, which says, at that point,

1854
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 2: the newest commissioner appointed to the Nevada Athletic Commission, Stacy Alonso,

1855
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 2: was an executive vice president at Station Casinos at the

1856
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 2: timing of her hire, owned by Fertita's. Obviously at that

1857
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 2: point in twenty seventeen, Fertita is no longer owning the UFC.

1858
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 2: But again you get the the symmetry there, Luke, the

1859
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 2: uh bedfellows, odd fellows, no strange odd bedfellows, strange banking fellows.

1860
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 1: All right, all right, last but not least BC. Let's

1861
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 1: move on to topic five and then we'll get to

1862
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 1: some of the fun stuff here topic number five PC.

1863
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:24,759
Speaker 1: You got up and watched it. I saw it after effect,

1864
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 1: or actually I should say after words. Monsters exist, folks,

1865
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: Monsters exist. And then this monster is Noya in a way,

1866
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 1: who is just a marvel BC. I could not possibly

1867
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,679
Speaker 1: state it better than you. Who did he beat yesterday morning?

1868
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 1: And what was the significance? I want to talk more

1869
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 1: about the fighter himself, but set up if you can

1870
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:49,719
Speaker 1: contextualize the achievement for us.

1871
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty nine years old from Japan, already a three

1872
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 2: division champion, already my power for pound king at CBS

1873
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 2: Sports heading into this fight. And if you remember, he

1874
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 2: won his first title in his sixth fight, second division,

1875
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:04,640
Speaker 2: he won a championship in his eighth fight, became a

1876
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 2: three division champion in his eleventh pro fight. So this

1877
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 2: has been a Loo Lomachenko like daring to be great run.

1878
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 2: But Tuesday morning in his native Japan there in Tokyo,

1879
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 2: he took on Paul Butler, who was, unfortunately Luke probably

1880
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 2: the most unheralded champion he could fight, and certainly put

1881
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 2: out a shipbag performance to boot with that. But he

1882
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 2: brought the last belt at bantamweight that a new A

1883
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:30,839
Speaker 2: didn't have a new A unified titles if you remember,

1884
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 2: back in the World Boxing Super Series tournament and won

1885
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 2: that by beating Nonino Dunair their first fight and that

1886
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 2: absolute classic. Went on to beat Danai again earlier this

1887
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 2: year by knockout three belts coming in and he added

1888
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 2: the fourth to become the Force, the first four belt

1889
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 2: undisputed champion in bantamweight history and also many other first

1890
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 2: related to Japanese fighters, fighters from Asia in the outer rim.

1891
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 2: In terms of being undisputed, he's the ninth male undisputed

1892
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 2: champion of this modern four belt era and he joins

1893
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:04,679
Speaker 2: right now Canelo, Jamel Charlow, and Devin Haney as active

1894
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:08,599
Speaker 2: undisputed champions. But Luke he blew away Paul Butler tenth

1895
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Speaker 2: round stoppage in a fight that Butler was not there

1896
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Speaker 2: to win decidedly, but he still had to chase down

1897
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 2: a guy stuck beyond a high guard. Get creative, do

1898
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 2: the Roy Jones, do the Ali shuffle, do all the

1899
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:26,759
Speaker 2: switch and stances, taunting even to try to find the opening.

1900
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Speaker 2: And when he found the opening, good lord, does he

1901
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 2: deliver the real topic for the pound for pound king,

1902
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 2: an undisputed three division champion in my opinion, which I

1903
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 2: can't wait to ask you as a intense boxing fan yourself. Dude,

1904
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,759
Speaker 2: he has already announced he's moving up to one twenty

1905
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:46,919
Speaker 2: two from here, So what he just accomplished great albeit

1906
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 2: not unfortunately against a great opponent. But dude, this guy

1907
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:55,600
Speaker 2: at one twenty two next year against Fulton Nary Figueroa,

1908
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 2: Are you freaking kidding me? This is gonna be some

1909
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 2: serious theater to watch if this all plays out to

1910
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 2: the best laid plans moving forward.

1911
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Speaker 1: He's he's so exciting, it's it's crazy. He's always balanced.

1912
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Speaker 1: His motion is like economical, he sets traps and you know,

1913
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Speaker 1: I honestly this BC you'll probably agree with this. You know,

1914
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 1: my favorite rapper is Vinnie Paz and he's a huge

1915
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 1: boxing fan. He actually has a Patreon podcasting. He has

1916
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 1: a Patreon boxing podcast that he does, and he made

1917
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 1: a point after the fight, which was true. You kind

1918
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 1: of alluded to it just now, which was listen, man,

1919
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 1: it's one thing to beat another guy who there may

1920
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 1: be a difference in quality depending on the strategy. Sometimes

1921
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 1: it can be easier, sometimes it can be harder. But

1922
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:39,839
Speaker 1: if they're doing the whole Joshua Claudie behind Manny Pacia,

1923
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 1: which is just this, it's very very hard to get

1924
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 1: that guy. It's very very hard. If they're just deciding

1925
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 1: in soccer parlance, to park the bus, it's very difficult

1926
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 1: to get anything out of them. And he still was

1927
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 1: able to do it. He's still polished him off in

1928
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 1: the eleventh round. So he had a guy who was

1929
01:31:57,160 --> 01:32:00,040
Speaker 1: not really eventually over the course of the fight, not

1930
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 1: trying to fire back, not really trying to win it,

1931
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 1: just trying to defensively hang on and get a moral victory,

1932
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 1: and in a way wouldn't even let him have a

1933
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:11,639
Speaker 1: moral victory. He took that away from him too. This

1934
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 1: guy is fucking phenomenal. He is must watch in BC.

1935
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:18,599
Speaker 1: I will tell you if they can make a Steven

1936
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 1: Fulton junior fight with Naoya in a way you want

1937
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:25,719
Speaker 1: to talk about circling something on your calendar, you're talking

1938
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:29,599
Speaker 1: like you're talking to like extraordinarily talented boxer from Japan,

1939
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 1: extraordinarily talented boxer from Philly. Different styles, different sizes to

1940
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 1: an extent as well, different ways of going about it,

1941
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,800
Speaker 1: different talents, but each one potent as a motherfucker in

1942
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: their own way. That would be absolute manna from boxing heaven.

1943
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 2: I mean, we are getting to the point where, at

1944
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 2: twenty nine and a new a is becoming. I mean,

1945
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 2: he's the best fire in the sport right now in

1946
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 2: my opinion. He's completely well rounded, insane power in both hands.

1947
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we wondered, could he move up

1948
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 2: to a second third way class and still just violently

1949
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 2: flatten people? Yeah, yeah he can. Can you do it

1950
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:06,639
Speaker 2: a fourth way class against guys that big and talented?

1951
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have to wait and see. But Luke,

1952
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 2: my point of here is he's on his way to

1953
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 2: becoming like, not just in all time great, not just potentially,

1954
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 2: like the fighter of this next era here, that sort

1955
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 2: of Canelo has been the handoff from the Pacquiel Mayweather

1956
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 2: era into this new one that's gonna be starting here soon.

1957
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 2: And you know he's already well well into it, of course,

1958
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 2: but like you know, this is Chuck Latito territory. This

1959
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 2: is truly becoming one of the all time greats in

1960
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 2: front of your eyes, playing out right now, only in

1961
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:39,639
Speaker 2: real time. In his prime, he showed in the first

1962
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 2: fight against Donair for the first time. Somebody made him

1963
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 2: show it that if you can take his shots and god,

1964
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 2: Donare was a man in that fight, and we remember

1965
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 2: broke into his face early. He can outbox you and

1966
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 2: be slick if he absolutely has to do and needs to. Oh,

1967
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:55,879
Speaker 2: he's got all that too. He also has insane toughness

1968
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:58,639
Speaker 2: that he showed in that fight. He's got everything the demeanor.

1969
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 2: I think the problem for us is that, you know,

1970
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 2: he doesn't speak English, and until just recently he wasn't

1971
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:07,240
Speaker 2: regularly on American television. A shout out obviously the ESPN

1972
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:10,679
Speaker 2: and top Rank for investing in him and making that happen.

1973
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 2: But because he doesn't speak English and we don't really

1974
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 2: see a lot of interviews with him, I don't know

1975
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 2: the true situation at the moment of his fight contract.

1976
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 2: Like we know, he's still got the co promoter in Japan,

1977
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 2: he's with Aaron in ESPN. Now, can that still lead

1978
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 2: to us seeing these kind of crazy idea fights that

1979
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 2: we're talking about in a fourth division naturally with two

1980
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:32,280
Speaker 2: networks coming together. I don't know, Luke. I don't know

1981
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 2: if this fight's big enough. I don't know if there's

1982
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 2: a home and home deal I don't know if one

1983
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 2: network could let the other one go because of the

1984
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 2: potential history and how big a fight would be there,

1985
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 2: or is a new way closer to becoming a free

1986
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 2: agent in America than we realize. I want to know.

1987
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 2: I want to get this answer because the idea of

1988
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 2: him facing the big names at one twenty two, and

1989
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 2: with the exception of Murray John Akmadaliev who has two

1990
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 2: belts at this wey class, everybody else is with PBC,

1991
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 2: I mean Luke, I don't know. So if he can

1992
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:02,839
Speaker 2: go in there and have the same effect against Fulton,

1993
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 2: Figueroa Neerry in terms of that size difference, yeah, only

1994
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 2: four pounds away. But when we're talking about the low

1995
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 2: weight classes and moving up as he's consistently done, you

1996
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:16,479
Speaker 2: hit your ceiling, you hit it hard. Historically, dude, Fulton

1997
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 2: could be in anybody's top ten pound for pound right now,

1998
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 2: is on a run. That's you know, he could be

1999
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 2: the fighter of the year for all we know. When

2000
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 2: we tell you the votes at the end of the day,

2001
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:26,800
Speaker 2: all those shout out to Dimitri beevoal for having a

2002
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 2: great year. Fulton is becoming one of the best in

2003
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 2: this game, right now imagine if that's the guy and

2004
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 2: who I end up having to go through to try

2005
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 2: to unify all these titles and be an add to

2006
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:39,599
Speaker 2: even more history. Because he's not going into these weight

2007
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,080
Speaker 2: classes to just grab a belt and then keep going.

2008
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 2: I mean, he's cleaning them the fuck out and knocking

2009
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:48,280
Speaker 2: people cold. You know what I'm saying, Like it's it's

2010
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:50,840
Speaker 2: you know you look back outside of Donair who in

2011
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 2: the rematch, Dude, he absolutely mopped the floor with that legend.

2012
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:57,759
Speaker 2: There is not fights where people have taken his shit

2013
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 2: or made him adjust or have done anything outside of

2014
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 2: what Butler tried to do covering up but end up

2015
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:07,639
Speaker 2: looking up at the lights. The best part about him

2016
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 2: going to a fourth waight class is this fourth weight

2017
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:12,679
Speaker 2: class at one twenty two is insanely deep. But whether

2018
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 2: it's Akmadalia full and any of these, dude, this is

2019
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 2: gonna be for the for the hardcore fan must see TV.

2020
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 2: And I hope that through this process of hearing us

2021
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 2: talk about him and everybody that tuned in and watched,

2022
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 2: people are realizing we have a special, special potential, all

2023
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:31,679
Speaker 2: time great walking in front of us and constantly daring

2024
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 2: to be great and putting it on the line, like,

2025
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 2: hell yeah, you better be a monster fan, you better

2026
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 2: be you know.

2027
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:41,599
Speaker 1: Let's remind folks as well. Showtime Championship Boxing comes back

2028
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 1: to Showtime this weekend, and of course you're gonna remind folks.

2029
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:46,479
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2030
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Speaker 1: days and now if you go to Showtime dot com

2031
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Speaker 1: and now you can get it for three ninety nine

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2033
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:55,640
Speaker 1: new customers only. Terms apply. BC. Let's see, we have

2034
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 1: a WBA lightweight title eliminator in the main event between

2035
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 1: Michelle Rivera and Frank Martin. Also should be noted two

2036
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:07,320
Speaker 1: guys who are undefeated. Also, it should be noted two

2037
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:10,360
Speaker 1: guys in their twenties twenty four versus twenty seven. BC

2038
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:11,720
Speaker 1: size these two up for us.

2039
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 2: This is one of those great early important matchups between

2040
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 2: two unbeaten guys who are coming the hell on. And

2041
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:21,720
Speaker 2: right now we know the greater I say lightweight, but

2042
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 2: you know, we already know some of these lightweights have

2043
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:26,759
Speaker 2: already recently moved to one forty teo Femo Ryan Garcia,

2044
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 2: So it's it's sort of this larger area here thirty

2045
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:32,800
Speaker 2: five to forty. With all these young hot names, it's

2046
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 2: as crowded as ever to come up here, climb the ladder,

2047
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 2: make a big statement, get in the title picture right now.

2048
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 2: Devin Haney, of course, has all four major titles at

2049
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 2: one thirty five tanks, got a couple secondary titles here

2050
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:46,120
Speaker 2: and there, but might be the biggest star of the group.

2051
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:50,640
Speaker 2: These two guys are both coming in here looking to

2052
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 2: possibly be ready to join that group. And I think

2053
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:56,200
Speaker 2: Michelle rivera hiss biggest win is best performance to date

2054
01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:59,559
Speaker 2: in showing us that was handing Joseph Adorno, a talented

2055
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:04,439
Speaker 2: but some times misstepping powerful prospect himself his first defeat

2056
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:08,720
Speaker 2: and a thorough drubbing out boxing him. Michelle Rivera is

2057
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 2: the guy who looks like the young Muhammad Ali, purposely

2058
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 2: tries to dress like young Cassius Clay and style himself

2059
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 2: and all that. He is a slick boxer, a little

2060
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 2: bit of pop there to boot as well. But on

2061
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 2: the other side, Frank Martin is a little bit more

2062
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 2: of a like, what do we have on this level? Unknown?

2063
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 2: Yet we've got enough clues to show you that he

2064
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 2: may be better than this level. He's Frank Martin is

2065
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:32,599
Speaker 2: twenty seven years old, sixteen and oh with twelve KOs.

2066
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:34,559
Speaker 2: They call him the ghost. But here's what's key. He's

2067
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 2: a Southpaw and he fights out of the Earl Spence

2068
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 2: camp there with coach Derek James, so you know the

2069
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 2: elite level is sparring. He gets. You know, Derek James

2070
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:44,960
Speaker 2: seems to only you know when he does pick a

2071
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:47,559
Speaker 2: guy and train him. Spence, Jamel Charlow only seems to

2072
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 2: go after those blue Chippers the best. But this recent

2073
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:53,759
Speaker 2: run for Frank Martin to get to this point stopped

2074
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:55,759
Speaker 2: Romero Duno, who we all know went in there against

2075
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia and then against Jackson Marinez, the guy that

2076
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 2: we all saw in that title be with Roally. Romero

2077
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:04,759
Speaker 2: deserve a victory for out boxing Roly but not getting

2078
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 2: the knot on the scorecards. Luke, he stopped him in

2079
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 2: the tenth round and was up on all three cards

2080
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 2: or up on two of the three cards at that

2081
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 2: point of the stoppage. Frank Martin can box. He's got

2082
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:16,559
Speaker 2: some pop from the South past dance to see these

2083
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:20,000
Speaker 2: two guys, as you mentioned this early at this age,

2084
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:22,360
Speaker 2: coming together to try to see whose advances. Next to

2085
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:24,680
Speaker 2: the title picture, this is worth your time. This is

2086
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 2: gonna be fun to see. And I don't mean to

2087
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 2: talk higher it seemed there of Martin, because Michelle Rivera

2088
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:32,959
Speaker 2: is as good and has been showing us big potential.

2089
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:35,639
Speaker 2: But Luke, it's that thing about you know Derek James,

2090
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 2: how hot he is and how good Frank Martin has

2091
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 2: looked in spurts like he really could be that dude,

2092
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:43,439
Speaker 2: and to have to see him forced to prove that

2093
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:46,759
Speaker 2: against Rivera. It's gonna be a good card. December seventeenth,

2094
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:49,040
Speaker 2: Saturday night on Showtime to close out the year for

2095
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:50,240
Speaker 2: Showtime Championship Boxing.

2096
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it should be a fun one. And for folks

2097
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 1: who may I know, BC and I will be on

2098
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:56,240
Speaker 1: the prelims call the prelims call. So I think that's

2099
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 1: an eight pm start for you and me live on

2100
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Speaker 1: the show Time YouTube channel Showtime Sports YouTube channel. So

2101
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Speaker 1: you don't need Showtime for that. But if you want

2102
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2103
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2104
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Speaker 1: nine and nine a month for your first six months

2106
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Speaker 1: of course new customers only terms uh apply, quick.

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Speaker 2: Quick box question to close here. If you found out

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Speaker 2: that a new way in Fulton we're gonna fight at

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Speaker 2: one twenty two at some point next year, what does

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01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:29,400
Speaker 2: what does that line look like?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I will tell you. I'll tell you. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: say Fulton minus one twenty in a way plus one ten.

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Speaker 2: Whoa, dude?

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Speaker 1: WHOA?

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Speaker 2: Now. I don't think that's wrong. I think that's fair.

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Speaker 1: That's okay, hoyeah, that's gonna how and that's how it's

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Speaker 1: going to open. Now after that, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Because here's the thing. You gotta put respect on Fulton's

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Speaker 2: name as you know you fight.

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Speaker 1: Mean, let's be real, Fulton is a motherfucker. I mean

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Speaker 1: he's a money yeah, Like I mean, Way is just

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Speaker 1: not going to walk in there and dust him off.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: But the question will be will Anue's power be as

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01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:14,680
Speaker 2: devastating as it was in the previous three way divisions?

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Speaker 2: And Fulton sometimes remember we saw in some of those

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Speaker 2: big wins in the last year and a half, Dude,

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Speaker 2: he goes after it offensively. I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: want to do that against a new a right like

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Speaker 2: this is gonna be something this is who.

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Speaker 1: Would be alrighting? All right? BC? Before we move on

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Speaker 1: to fan subs, gotta remind every one, of course, UFC

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Speaker 1: Vegas sixty six is this weekend, and all the cards

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01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 1: recently of course had some hashtag Hammer of the Month

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Speaker 1: potential all over it. And of course we see as

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Speaker 1: you know, Aaron Blanchfield won last month for Hammer of

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Speaker 1: the Month. It's a competition though. Continue So for those

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Speaker 1: of you been living under a rock the past few episodes,

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Speaker 1: our favorite show sponsor, Money Lion, the only money app

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Speaker 1: you'll ever need, we have a brand new segment BC.

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Speaker 1: Let him know what time it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the deal. We decided to collaborate in this

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Speaker 2: great news segment called the Money Lion Hammer of the

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Speaker 2: Month with our friends that money line. Why well, because

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Speaker 2: they know how to money. Luke, I could use a

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01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:03,800
Speaker 2: little bit on that. I mean, got some.

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Speaker 1: You're well taken care of. I know what you make.

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Speaker 2: Uh No, no, I said handling. You know it's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: let the wife handle it. You know, you know, Luke,

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Speaker 2: I'm a uh anyway back to this, Luke, the Hammer

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Speaker 2: of the Month can be a boxer MMA fire hey

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01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 2: could be a bare Knuckler. I think the only line

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Speaker 2: in the sand we say is no dick slappers on

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01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 2: Dana's broadcast. All right, but we're looking at people that

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Speaker 2: are rising, people that are making big statements. Maybe not

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01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:31,639
Speaker 2: in the main event, maybe more undercard or early main card,

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01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:34,280
Speaker 2: whichever sport you're talking about, but people that are coming

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Speaker 2: out there and showing you that, yeah they're coming on

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Speaker 2: hashtag Holy hammer, hashtag Hammer of the Month. Aaron Blanchfield

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Speaker 2: was last month. This month, dude, I mean, how are

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Speaker 2: we going to pick between Roman, dalidze Ilia Tuporia, Luke Shot,

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Speaker 2: Billy Q, my Guy, a bunch of others that from

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Speaker 2: last weekend which had you know, a ton of them

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Speaker 2: across the board on the UFC card. This is a

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Speaker 2: crowded month, but this weekend, continue to let it be

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Speaker 2: known at money Lying on Twitter, at money Lion Inc.

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Speaker 2: On Instagram with those hashtags we talked about, and let

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Speaker 2: us know who you want to nominate for this month's

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Speaker 2: Hammer of the Month. They will get a beautiful uh

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Speaker 2: what would you call it, Luca hammer?

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, big ass hammer. For more information,

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Speaker 1: of course, Moneylion dot Com slash Morning Combat, that's Moneylion

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Speaker 1: dot com slash Morning Combat all right, PC. We didn't

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Speaker 1: get a chance to do it for like the last

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Speaker 1: two weeks or something, so let's get to it. It's

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Speaker 1: time for not bcspcs, it's time for It's not for

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Speaker 1: some fan subs, is it not?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? The email addresses Morningcombat at gmail dot com. We

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Speaker 2: were in the mohegan Ish area last week, so we

2180
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:42,280
Speaker 2: did not get to get to fan subs. But we'll

2181
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:44,839
Speaker 2: get to getting it right now. This is your artwork,

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01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:47,360
Speaker 2: pictures of you and tight T shirts. Really just your

2183
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:49,840
Speaker 2: chance to wave your hand and say I see you,

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01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 2: I feel you, I'm here with you, fans. This is

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01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:55,760
Speaker 2: your hour, do what you may. This is called fan submission.

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Speaker 1: You've got mail few PC. So I'm way down on

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Speaker 1: my use of vapor vape yeheah. My strategy has so

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01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:09,280
Speaker 1: far worked, which is I'm not trying to quit cold

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01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 1: Turkey because I don't think I just wouldn't work. But

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01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:13,160
Speaker 1: I have like way down and how much I use.

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Speaker 1: So I bought a flavor that I fucking hate and

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Speaker 1: it's just miserable. So I use it just enough to

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01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:21,920
Speaker 1: like curb the nicotine appetite and call it a day.

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Speaker 1: I've got it's still elf bar, but I've got red Mohito,

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01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:30,920
Speaker 1: Red Mohito, and that is as awful as it sounds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean you know, it's like at least

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Speaker 2: vape weed Luke. Right, either way, we've oh wow. Either way,

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Speaker 2: we've got male viewers. We also have female viewers, Luke.

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Speaker 2: And leading us off this week is the Boss Lady herself.

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Speaker 2: Mount you Nike's Don Piquette, who as we know, Luke,

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Speaker 2: she's all over the globe. Hello, MK, congrats on the

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Speaker 2: big win. This is Don p back on the road again,

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01:44:57,560 --> 01:45:00,759
Speaker 2: this time a quick trip to Leon, France to finish

2204
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:03,800
Speaker 2: off the year and some merch pictures of course Christmas

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01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:06,960
Speaker 2: Festival of Lights, accompanied by amazing food and wine before

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01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 2: I head back home. I don't know if Jay was

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Speaker 2: on the trip here with her, Luke. I think Boss

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01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:12,840
Speaker 2: Lady was on her own. But these paquettes, I mean,

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Speaker 2: is she coming on for a contender ship role here,

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01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:18,400
Speaker 2: Luke in Donk of the Year or she she always

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01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:19,639
Speaker 2: you know plus one of JP.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this is incredible and she might be overtaking him.

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01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:26,640
Speaker 1: I have to say this. Chances she shows up in

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01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:28,160
Speaker 1: the UK on Feb eight.

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Speaker 2: She does she's got that job in I forgot what industry.

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01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:34,800
Speaker 2: What did I say it was it? Oh? Yeah, she's

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01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:37,479
Speaker 2: real high in like global it, Luke. Or maybe she's

2218
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:39,360
Speaker 2: just real high like us could be. But can we

2219
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:41,680
Speaker 2: blow up this thing? I'm sure JP created this, but

2220
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:45,400
Speaker 2: this is an update on the Boss Lady's recent global

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01:45:45,479 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 2: merch tour. Wow, imagine if it timed, Luke, if it

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Speaker 2: lined up or come what February eighth, Wednesday night?

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Speaker 1: Right? Would be pretty nice? MK.

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01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:58,840
Speaker 2: In the UK, hey, I'd welcome in these Nova Scotians,

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01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:00,720
Speaker 2: just the same the pos cats. But they got to

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01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 2: sleep in your bed? Okay, yeah, all right.

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Speaker 1: They can sleep on the motherfucking tub.

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Speaker 2: Fuck all that down wishes that that's where Andre and

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01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:11,200
Speaker 2: the Dunet used to ship on the road. Look here,

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01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:13,559
Speaker 2: by the way, how about Big John just no selling

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01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:14,439
Speaker 2: my question? Right?

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01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 1: Just like? So have you ever I mean you basically

2233
01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:19,639
Speaker 1: asked him, Big John, you ever taken a big ass

2234
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:20,519
Speaker 1: dump in Tokyo?

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01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 2: I just shut just shut a like building's plumbing system down. Yeah.

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01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:27,720
Speaker 2: I mean he could have entertained that a little bit

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01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 2: if he wanted to. Anyway, Thank you, don Pete. Let's

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Speaker 2: keep it rolling. Here's Scott, he says, Luke thinks he's

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Speaker 2: Santa Claus. Now, let's see what this is about.

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Speaker 1: Is the only person who either has or is using

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Speaker 1: at this present time. You're a child. You're a child.

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01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 1: I guarantee you. It is way more common than you imagine.

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01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:55,640
Speaker 1: And I have other pieces of bad news for you.

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01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:59,559
Speaker 1: Santa Claus is a real right, this is just a

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Speaker 1: common So that is this is the role. This is

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Speaker 1: the role I serve in life. I just ruined the party.

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01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:22,559
Speaker 1: That's what I'm here.

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01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:24,160
Speaker 2: Look at this kid. Let' let's zoom it. Can we

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01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 2: zoom in here? This is Scott's son, I assume, And

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Speaker 2: that's a don cat on him in the in the

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Speaker 2: hot This is my.

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01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:32,559
Speaker 1: Son drowning in the bay. I just left him. It's like, uh,

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Speaker 1: his son.

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01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:37,200
Speaker 2: Looks too cool, too cool for school. There, I bet you.

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Speaker 2: Scott already told him. I'm like my fifth grade ass

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Speaker 2: back in like nineteen eighty eight, Luke, damn.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering where that was going, and then I

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01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 1: was like, oh, right to the home run. There you go.

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01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:50,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. So I do get people that say, respectfully,

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01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:54,240
Speaker 2: hey guys, love your show, but like I can't play it.

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01:47:54,280 --> 01:47:56,599
Speaker 2: In the car with the kids around because of you know,

2262
01:47:56,680 --> 01:48:01,160
Speaker 2: your you're you're relentless sessive dick humor.

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01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well our show is not for children. I mean

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01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:07,040
Speaker 1: it's okay, it's for adults who are mentally children, but

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01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 1: it's not for action.

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Speaker 2: There you go, Yeah, yeah, we ain't wu tang right

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Speaker 2: you know?

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Speaker 1: Come on, yeah there, who you think we are?

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01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 2: Let's go to Josh, He says, hangover cure after seeing

2270
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:20,200
Speaker 2: the drive by truckers put on an absolutely kick ass

2271
01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:23,000
Speaker 2: show last night. Look, this is that guy with the

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01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:25,840
Speaker 2: with the badass music tats on his arms. You know,

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01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 2: he has slash, he has a.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so BC. Have you ever had? Okay, so that.

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01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:32,920
Speaker 1: So he's got a MODELO, got the m K mug,

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01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:36,160
Speaker 1: and he's got the climato. Have you ever had taheen,

2277
01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:39,000
Speaker 1: which is the sauce on the right and the it's

2278
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:42,880
Speaker 1: essentially the spice or the salt on the left. Had it?

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01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:43,639
Speaker 2: No?

2280
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:46,720
Speaker 1: But the best way to explain it is it's kind

2281
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:49,400
Speaker 1: of like a I won't say tomato wee, but more

2282
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:53,519
Speaker 1: like a imagine salt that tasted like lime. That's really

2283
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:55,599
Speaker 1: what it's like. And they use it all over the place.

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01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:58,479
Speaker 1: In Latin America they put it on foods. They also

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01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 1: put it on the rim of certain glasses, almost like

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01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:03,320
Speaker 1: a margarita with salt, and they'll have it with tahen.

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01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:05,720
Speaker 1: They'll even put taheen, which I fucking hate, but they'll

2288
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:07,320
Speaker 1: put te he I like tahen but they'll put it

2289
01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:11,000
Speaker 1: on like mango, which to me is like absurd. I

2290
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,240
Speaker 1: don't know why, people. You ever seen people I first

2291
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:16,280
Speaker 1: encountered this in the South in the United States, Like

2292
01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 1: I met people being like, man, you want to have

2293
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:20,559
Speaker 1: that watermelon, take it to the next level. What you

2294
01:49:20,600 --> 01:49:22,559
Speaker 1: gotta do is put salt on it. I'm like, why

2295
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:26,680
Speaker 1: the fuck what? I put salt on delicious watermelon? You

2296
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:30,280
Speaker 1: fucking morons? And they love that shit. And it turns

2297
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:33,240
Speaker 1: out in Latin America they put tahen on all kinds

2298
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:36,760
Speaker 1: of shit, including delicious fruit. But that's what it is.

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01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:39,280
Speaker 2: Do you think they use tahen in four play at all?

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01:49:39,320 --> 01:49:43,880
Speaker 2: Luke in in South America? Probably can we get back

2301
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:46,840
Speaker 2: to what Josh is drinking here? Luke I bought one

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01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:49,640
Speaker 2: time accidentally one of those bud like clamado cans and

2303
01:49:49,720 --> 01:49:52,080
Speaker 2: almost threw up back in the can after taking that

2304
01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:55,400
Speaker 2: first drink of tomato juice flavored Budweiser.

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01:49:56,240 --> 01:49:56,680
Speaker 1: What is this?

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01:49:57,160 --> 01:49:59,880
Speaker 2: Like, I know there's a market for this, right, but like,

2307
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:02,880
Speaker 2: who who loves this shit? Do you? Have you tried? Like,

2308
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:04,880
Speaker 2: I don't do bloody Mary, I don't do anything weird

2309
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:05,639
Speaker 2: and gross like that.

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01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:07,639
Speaker 1: So I'll tell you again, this is my only frame

2311
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:09,960
Speaker 1: of reference. So if it feels, you know, like I'm

2312
01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:12,599
Speaker 1: orienting the story in a single direction, it's because only

2313
01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:16,240
Speaker 1: have one uh these like hair of the Dog drinks, right,

2314
01:50:16,360 --> 01:50:18,840
Speaker 1: So this is what they do in Colombia, And I

2315
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:20,559
Speaker 1: can only speak for that because it's only because I've

2316
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:23,479
Speaker 1: early been a number of times. They have something they

2317
01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:27,599
Speaker 1: call refajo, right, And what that is is it's you

2318
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:30,760
Speaker 1: take a picture and you take half of their like

2319
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:34,760
Speaker 1: national like their version of Coca cola, which is called Columbiana,

2320
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:37,599
Speaker 1: sort of like what I would call an w root

2321
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:40,880
Speaker 1: beer flavored like cream soda something like that. It's kind

2322
01:50:40,920 --> 01:50:43,519
Speaker 1: of like that. It's delicious. They fill it up halfway

2323
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 1: with that, and then they put half of the rest

2324
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:48,920
Speaker 1: beer and then they squeeze a bunch of lime and

2325
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:51,360
Speaker 1: it not everyone squeezes the lime, but my family does.

2326
01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:54,240
Speaker 1: And then they drink that as like their hangover recovery

2327
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:58,599
Speaker 1: drink called and it's fucking gross, but they love it.

2328
01:50:58,680 --> 01:50:59,840
Speaker 1: They fucking love it. Ye.

2329
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,760
Speaker 2: I can't. I just can't. I tried it. I mean,

2330
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:05,720
Speaker 2: it's discussed, it's it's insanely disgusting.

2331
01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 1: It is, But you know, I guess attitude.

2332
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:13,560
Speaker 2: Just drink water or or or like gatorader. What's that?

2333
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:16,120
Speaker 1: Uh pediaite pedialyte pedia lighte.

2334
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 2: There you go? That the baby shit? Yeah, there you go.

2335
01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:21,439
Speaker 2: All right, let's keep this going. This is Nicholas, Nick

2336
01:51:21,479 --> 01:51:24,200
Speaker 2: and Julie signing in here. They say, bringing MK all

2337
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:27,840
Speaker 2: day to ten thousand feet at the summit of I'm

2338
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:31,640
Speaker 2: gonna try to pronounce this Luke hileah Kayla hileiahkala on

2339
01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:34,680
Speaker 2: the island of Maui, you know, the famous huge volcano.

2340
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:38,600
Speaker 2: Julie here is at least the fourth female viewer of

2341
01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:41,639
Speaker 2: the program, though she tunes out Brian at least as

2342
01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:47,120
Speaker 2: much as Luke does. Oh there you go, Nick and

2343
01:51:47,200 --> 01:51:49,400
Speaker 2: Julie signing off. Can we zoom in here so I

2344
01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:51,080
Speaker 2: can talk bad about these people? I don't know. Nick

2345
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:52,880
Speaker 2: looks like he's been to the gym. Luke, he looks

2346
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:54,240
Speaker 2: pretty good in that medium listen.

2347
01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:57,360
Speaker 1: They look like normal people. They look like normal, sane,

2348
01:51:57,520 --> 01:51:59,120
Speaker 1: non Jan sixers.

2349
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:04,680
Speaker 2: I can appreciate Luke. This is that another snarky red

2350
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:07,960
Speaker 2: junior that hates me. Look, I can appreciate her willingness, though,

2351
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:11,080
Speaker 2: to wear the brand despite her displeasure for the co host, Luke.

2352
01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:11,679
Speaker 1: That happens.

2353
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:13,599
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of Luke fans in this audience,

2354
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:16,439
Speaker 2: A lot of them, right and yeah, the worst, but

2355
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:19,400
Speaker 2: a lot of them. Yeah, fucking it's great. Yeah, no,

2356
01:52:19,479 --> 01:52:23,080
Speaker 2: it's great. Yeah, all right, yeah, okay, let's keep it going. Look,

2357
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:26,320
Speaker 2: let's go over to Kevin. I probably went a little

2358
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:28,679
Speaker 2: hard on the Black Friday shopping this year, but only

2359
01:52:28,720 --> 01:52:31,599
Speaker 2: for MK gear as someone who has done BJJ. She's

2360
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:34,439
Speaker 2: twenty ten. All I need now is a sweet MK

2361
01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:37,559
Speaker 2: rash guard. Dude, everybody wants an MK rash guard.

2362
01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:39,680
Speaker 1: Why, yeah, you know what I was kind of I

2363
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:41,920
Speaker 1: was hating on the idea. But it's time, Like r

2364
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:43,280
Speaker 1: j dunclefucker, it's time.

2365
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:45,880
Speaker 2: I mean, they really want one. I thought we'd sell

2366
01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:48,000
Speaker 2: like one, but they're like, no, we want it anyway.

2367
01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:51,400
Speaker 2: Kevin says, before you guys say it, I'm not a

2368
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:54,680
Speaker 2: Jan sixer. I'm the Canadian dunk that invited Luke to

2369
01:52:54,760 --> 01:52:57,400
Speaker 2: come stay with me and my cat in Canada amid

2370
01:52:57,400 --> 01:52:59,479
Speaker 2: the chaos that was happening down there in the US.

2371
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:00,639
Speaker 2: Look do you remember for this offer?

2372
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:03,320
Speaker 1: No? All right?

2373
01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:05,920
Speaker 2: The cat is pictured with me in the second pick. Also,

2374
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:08,120
Speaker 2: if there are as many p ones as people claim

2375
01:53:08,240 --> 01:53:10,519
Speaker 2: to be who send in submissions, MK would have the

2376
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:13,840
Speaker 2: highest subscription count on YouTube. That's a fair point. We

2377
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:17,439
Speaker 2: have a lot of fans, but the rabid ones are

2378
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:20,639
Speaker 2: small but intense Luke, right, those p ones, That's.

2379
01:53:20,479 --> 01:53:22,640
Speaker 1: How it goes. The p One group is not as

2380
01:53:22,680 --> 01:53:24,360
Speaker 1: big as people think it is, but it doesn't need

2381
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:25,920
Speaker 1: to be because it's intensely loyal.

2382
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:28,760
Speaker 2: Do this guy have any cable issues? Can we zoom

2383
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:30,080
Speaker 2: in here? What do we got going on the floor?

2384
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:32,240
Speaker 2: I mean he bought everything we own, right, He's.

2385
01:53:32,040 --> 01:53:35,760
Speaker 1: Got a bunch of shoes and a carpeted house and

2386
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:38,320
Speaker 1: a cat that looks like it's been hitting the head

2387
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:38,839
Speaker 1: with a hammer.

2388
01:53:39,240 --> 01:53:41,160
Speaker 2: Oh stop that that's a cute. That's a cute.

2389
01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:44,639
Speaker 1: Pussy's But he's got a bunch of mkgears. So thank

2390
01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:46,000
Speaker 1: you for purchasing. I appreciate it.

2391
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:48,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably the only one he sees. But that's fine.

2392
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:51,200
Speaker 2: That's that's fine, Luke. Okay, shout out to Joseph from

2393
01:53:51,200 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 2: Canada to love you brother. Let's go to the Mustache Dad.

2394
01:53:54,360 --> 01:53:57,040
Speaker 2: This is the day that the BBC visited the Three

2395
01:53:57,120 --> 01:54:08,840
Speaker 2: Needle Tattoo Shop. What does this mean, Lukey, I can't

2396
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:12,400
Speaker 2: read that second one, Luke, say just so.

2397
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:16,839
Speaker 1: I think it says out of sewing because I read books.

2398
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look that that's a fair. That's an

2399
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:23,519
Speaker 2: accurate snapshot of this show. I think Joseph has two

2400
01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:24,120
Speaker 2: more for us.

2401
01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:27,320
Speaker 1: Correct one thumbs up on that one. That's very fair,

2402
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:28,160
Speaker 1: very fair.

2403
01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:34,200
Speaker 2: Luke n in the back there in the in the

2404
01:54:34,520 --> 01:54:38,120
Speaker 2: in the control room, Luke, no more. Okay, thank you,

2405
01:54:38,440 --> 01:54:43,000
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you. Joseph. I thought that was Mustache Dad. No,

2406
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:46,960
Speaker 2: or is that Joseph's second. I don't know where we're

2407
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:50,800
Speaker 2: at right now? Mustache Dad's got something about the three

2408
01:54:50,840 --> 01:54:54,200
Speaker 2: Needle Tattoo Shop. Here we go, all right. The last

2409
01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:57,600
Speaker 2: one was the guy before. Here's the Mustache Dad. Let's

2410
01:54:57,640 --> 01:54:58,320
Speaker 2: hear from him.

2411
01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:04,960
Speaker 1: There, House of donks, Donks welcome three eleven. The three

2412
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:07,080
Speaker 1: eleven part is nice. I have to say.

2413
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. I used to have that shirt in blue?

2414
01:55:09,480 --> 01:55:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what are we thinking about today? Happened to

2415
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:15,240
Speaker 1: your legs? Jesus Christ?

2416
01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 2: I mean I do have skinny legs for a guy

2417
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:18,040
Speaker 2: who's nearly six.

2418
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:21,440
Speaker 1: I forget her name, but she was one of the

2419
01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:25,960
Speaker 1: I think finalists or winners of the what's the Spike TV?

2420
01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:29,840
Speaker 1: Or now it's Paramount plus, the Ink Show, the Tattoo Show.

2421
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:35,240
Speaker 1: What's it called? What's it called? Inc Master? Yes? Yes, yes,

2422
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:37,280
Speaker 1: inc Master? Okay, is there any more?

2423
01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:40,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a third slide here.

2424
01:55:41,080 --> 01:55:44,680
Speaker 1: This old washed Roy Orbison, midlife crisis, factory town, crazy

2425
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:47,840
Speaker 1: eyes having Donk wants a butterfly on his lower back?

2426
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:52,920
Speaker 1: My life? Oh that is great. You see what do

2427
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:54,760
Speaker 1: you think about the bill? That picture of one more time?

2428
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:57,560
Speaker 1: B See? What do you think about the tattoos on

2429
01:55:57,640 --> 01:55:58,320
Speaker 1: the knuckles?

2430
01:55:59,240 --> 01:56:02,560
Speaker 2: Hate them? Hate that top of the hand knuckles, hate

2431
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:02,800
Speaker 2: all that.

2432
01:56:03,160 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 1: I love top of the hand tattoos. I love.

2433
01:56:07,200 --> 01:56:10,720
Speaker 2: No, No, you know I'm good with sleeves. I like

2434
01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:13,200
Speaker 2: a good tattoo on tit when it makes a statement

2435
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:15,560
Speaker 2: like Luke, I know, did you do extra credit? You

2436
01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:17,920
Speaker 2: should have done extra credit on Iliot Tuporious.

2437
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:20,640
Speaker 1: Yes, a little later, but yeah, go ahead, dude, what do.

2438
01:56:20,600 --> 01:56:22,800
Speaker 2: You think about Topori. He's got like the lion with

2439
01:56:22,840 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 2: his own face coming through the middle.

2440
01:56:24,240 --> 01:56:26,960
Speaker 1: I only ever, I can only remember the top part here.

2441
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:28,840
Speaker 1: I think has like a number or like a letter.

2442
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean it's like the letter T or something. I've not.

2443
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got a P or yeah or T. I'm

2444
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:36,520
Speaker 2: sorry T for his last name.

2445
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:36,920
Speaker 1: There we go.

2446
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:39,240
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to JP. This must be the

2447
01:56:39,240 --> 01:56:42,200
Speaker 2: guy from Mount Unike Luke. He says, good day, MK,

2448
01:56:42,360 --> 01:56:46,400
Speaker 2: crew and fans. Episode three seventy eight. Showtime executive Brian

2449
01:56:46,480 --> 01:56:49,640
Speaker 2: Daly messaged Luke and BC about doing a show from

2450
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:52,800
Speaker 2: Newark Penn Station. This is a true story now presenting

2451
01:56:53,080 --> 01:56:56,600
Speaker 2: RSD with John Jones and Jouanna Well. It's a dream

2452
01:56:56,680 --> 01:57:00,520
Speaker 2: lineup from Newark Penn Station. Love you guys, keep up

2453
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:01,760
Speaker 2: the award winning show.

2454
01:57:02,240 --> 01:57:07,360
Speaker 1: Dude, Hold on, look at this sign Newark Bend Station, Ebola, COVID,

2455
01:57:07,560 --> 01:57:10,960
Speaker 1: influenza and this is the true part and diseases they

2456
01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:16,760
Speaker 1: don't even have name. By the way, this is the

2457
01:57:16,880 --> 01:57:19,760
Speaker 1: exact fucking platform. It's not the right train. That's the

2458
01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:22,120
Speaker 1: path train that takes you into Manhattan or other parts

2459
01:57:22,120 --> 01:57:24,400
Speaker 1: of New Jersey. That's not the right train, but that

2460
01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 1: is that on the It's just on the other side

2461
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:28,880
Speaker 1: of that platform where I always have to go. I

2462
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:31,560
Speaker 1: like BC there. Did you know I'm from a factory town?

2463
01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:33,880
Speaker 1: Can you still make one? Fifteen? I don't like you, Luke,

2464
01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:35,680
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna answer no question, and that the

2465
01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:39,840
Speaker 1: correct part me with a stack of motherfucking vapes. If

2466
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:42,560
Speaker 1: you did answer, that would require a donation to the

2467
01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:45,720
Speaker 1: super Chat Jazz TOOKI needs rices.

2468
01:57:47,200 --> 01:57:49,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and by the way, Mikey hasn't had a

2469
01:57:49,560 --> 01:57:51,600
Speaker 2: hairline like that since the Oughts, right, Luke.

2470
01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:53,760
Speaker 1: Oh, he's been bald as a motherfucker since the day

2471
01:57:53,800 --> 01:57:54,360
Speaker 1: I met him.

2472
01:57:54,840 --> 01:57:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, great guy, right there. Shout out to Brian Daily

2473
01:57:57,160 --> 01:58:01,000
Speaker 2: just the same. JP also says hot one featuring Luke

2474
01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:05,760
Speaker 2: Thomas with the bomb vape. Wash that down with some

2475
01:58:05,880 --> 01:58:09,840
Speaker 2: Margarita's ag one and rain energy drink. Love you guys,

2476
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:10,879
Speaker 2: keep up the Amason.

2477
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, let me just say something, This is mockery.

2478
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:20,640
Speaker 1: No one understands me better than the MK audience. Can

2479
01:58:20,640 --> 01:58:22,280
Speaker 1: I just be totally honest about that?

2480
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:25,240
Speaker 2: And j Paquette, Dude, he's in your head right now.

2481
01:58:26,040 --> 01:58:28,720
Speaker 1: The stacks of he do he not just got he

2482
01:58:28,760 --> 01:58:32,480
Speaker 1: didn't get just the correct energy drink. He got the

2483
01:58:32,520 --> 01:58:35,640
Speaker 1: correct flavor of the energy drink that I like, with

2484
01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:38,960
Speaker 1: the ag one with the four Margarita's, with the vape,

2485
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:43,000
Speaker 1: with the bomb. I mean this is hang This motherfucker

2486
01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:44,720
Speaker 1: in the loof is what I'm gonna say right now.

2487
01:58:44,760 --> 01:58:48,360
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, between that and this badass piece of

2488
01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:52,000
Speaker 2: machinery right here, Luke, I mean his wife's world tour

2489
01:58:52,440 --> 01:58:56,200
Speaker 2: JP's coming on right now. He's taking everything h Appy

2490
01:58:56,200 --> 01:58:58,720
Speaker 2: he's worked for. But I will say this for David Appleton,

2491
01:58:59,320 --> 01:59:03,080
Speaker 2: he's got one the hopper. Look, that's fucking phenomenals.

2492
01:59:03,640 --> 01:59:04,480
Speaker 1: Okay, I haven't seen it.

2493
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, these these guys are uh wow, these guys are unbelievable.

2494
01:59:08,360 --> 01:59:10,880
Speaker 2: But thank you JP for always being the man. Let's

2495
01:59:10,920 --> 01:59:12,800
Speaker 2: go to Danger Mouse remember that. Oh no, we got

2496
01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:13,520
Speaker 2: one more from JP.

2497
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:18,000
Speaker 1: Sorry. Let's see very cool, very cool, Yes, yes, box

2498
01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:18,680
Speaker 1: to Bach.

2499
01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:21,320
Speaker 2: Wow, Luke, you were so young in that photo.

2500
01:59:22,480 --> 01:59:24,480
Speaker 1: That was just three years ago. I looked at a

2501
01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:27,880
Speaker 1: picture of myself like maybe a month before my kid

2502
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:31,960
Speaker 1: was born, and it's barely recognizable. Yeah. I showed a

2503
01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:33,960
Speaker 1: picture of my kid from like I was. I showed

2504
01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:35,880
Speaker 1: a picture two Tuoki from I was like twenty fifteen,

2505
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:38,240
Speaker 1: twist sixteen, some like that, and I showed it to

2506
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:40,520
Speaker 1: her and she looked at my hair and she goes,

2507
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:43,600
Speaker 1: why is it white? That's exactly what she said, why

2508
01:59:43,640 --> 01:59:46,680
Speaker 1: is it white? And I didn't have a great answer

2509
01:59:46,680 --> 01:59:48,440
Speaker 1: for I'm like, Dad's let's say, to watch a piece

2510
01:59:48,480 --> 01:59:48,720
Speaker 1: of shit.

2511
01:59:49,640 --> 01:59:52,080
Speaker 2: If you looked at pictures of me for the first

2512
01:59:52,120 --> 01:59:54,480
Speaker 2: three years that my twins were after they were born,

2513
01:59:54,480 --> 01:59:56,240
Speaker 2: so it's like twenty eight, two thousand and eight to

2514
01:59:56,280 --> 01:59:59,880
Speaker 2: twenty eleven, dude, even though I was like thirty thirty

2515
01:59:59,880 --> 02:00:01,960
Speaker 2: t back then, I looked old as shit. Dude, that

2516
02:00:02,040 --> 02:00:04,120
Speaker 2: age is you like? You know, that was like the

2517
02:00:04,120 --> 02:00:06,760
Speaker 2: first time the grays were just making a huge run

2518
02:00:06,840 --> 02:00:09,839
Speaker 2: and I was, you know, working nights, drinking energy drinks,

2519
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:10,840
Speaker 2: just fat luke.

2520
02:00:10,920 --> 02:00:12,760
Speaker 1: You know, dude, I haven't told you this, but I

2521
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:16,240
Speaker 1: finally committed. I admitted. Hold on, I'm not committed to

2522
02:00:16,360 --> 02:00:20,200
Speaker 1: taking t RT just yet because I have some of

2523
02:00:20,240 --> 02:00:22,360
Speaker 1: the symptoms that you would like make you a good candidate,

2524
02:00:22,400 --> 02:00:24,440
Speaker 1: but I have some that are would not, you know,

2525
02:00:24,920 --> 02:00:26,840
Speaker 1: So I'm going to get the blood tests. But this

2526
02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:28,160
Speaker 1: is what I want to tell you. I'm going to

2527
02:00:28,240 --> 02:00:32,280
Speaker 1: get a full array of blood work done to see

2528
02:00:32,280 --> 02:00:34,240
Speaker 1: if I'm a good candidate, and I think I'm ready

2529
02:00:34,240 --> 02:00:35,840
Speaker 1: to I think I might be ready if the blood

2530
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:39,040
Speaker 1: test comes back where I'm not in that normal range

2531
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:41,840
Speaker 1: and I actually am a good candidate. I think I'm

2532
02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:43,560
Speaker 1: ready to pull the trigger. I think I am. I

2533
02:00:43,560 --> 02:00:44,360
Speaker 1: think I finally am.

2534
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:47,360
Speaker 2: All right, all right, all right. I'm going to hold

2535
02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:49,200
Speaker 2: you to it, Luke, because I want to see you change.

2536
02:00:50,080 --> 02:00:52,840
Speaker 2: I've been going through my own little health turn of late, Luke.

2537
02:00:52,920 --> 02:00:54,920
Speaker 2: I've made a big change too. We'll talk about another time.

2538
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:56,920
Speaker 2: But I've been working out every day, Luke. Maybe maybe

2539
02:00:56,960 --> 02:00:59,120
Speaker 2: something's coming here, Maybe something's happening.

2540
02:00:59,120 --> 02:01:01,680
Speaker 1: Now they're telling us the next ones are from Danger Mouse,

2541
02:01:01,720 --> 02:01:03,360
Speaker 1: but the pictures are mislabeled as JP.

2542
02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:07,160
Speaker 2: So just heads up, Oh yeah, wow with the jury please, Yeah, Okay,

2543
02:01:07,200 --> 02:01:09,400
Speaker 2: here we go. Here's Danger Mouse saying hi BC. The

2544
02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:13,360
Speaker 2: theme this week is ads more accurately your approach to them.

2545
02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:16,200
Speaker 2: Let's start with the boardroom meeting. So this is not

2546
02:01:16,240 --> 02:01:18,040
Speaker 2: from JP, this from Danger Mouse, Luke.

2547
02:01:18,120 --> 02:01:21,960
Speaker 1: What does it say we need advertisers on MK? How

2548
02:01:21,960 --> 02:01:25,920
Speaker 1: do we encourage them? Next one me verbatim ad reads,

2549
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:28,320
Speaker 1: and then someone says scripted skits, and then there's you

2550
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:32,360
Speaker 1: saying I'll just freestyle and say whatever bullshit comes to mind,

2551
02:01:32,680 --> 02:01:36,480
Speaker 1: and then they chuck you out the fucking window.

2552
02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:39,400
Speaker 2: And now the results of that meeting.

2553
02:01:40,240 --> 02:01:45,200
Speaker 1: Yes, I will read advertisements verbatim, and there's a picture

2554
02:01:45,200 --> 02:01:46,880
Speaker 1: of me in the on the school.

2555
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:50,160
Speaker 2: Finally, Danger Mouse says I had to do something to

2556
02:01:50,240 --> 02:01:54,080
Speaker 2: celebrate Aaron winning Hammer of the Month. Artists note Danger

2557
02:01:54,120 --> 02:01:58,000
Speaker 2: Mouse does not endorse this product and advises financial responsibility

2558
02:01:58,080 --> 02:02:01,440
Speaker 2: to all viewers, and less Moneyline wants to pay him too. Wow.

2559
02:02:01,560 --> 02:02:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it once again. You have, you have Jake

2560
02:02:04,520 --> 02:02:08,000
Speaker 1: von Amsterdam, you have Tristan the serial Killer, all right there,

2561
02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:10,840
Speaker 1: and BC, I just want to point out another vape.

2562
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:13,640
Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how much vaping has added to

2563
02:02:13,680 --> 02:02:14,880
Speaker 1: this show. It really is.

2564
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I want Danger Mouse to get the requisite love

2565
02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:20,320
Speaker 2: and put his put some respect back on his name.

2566
02:02:20,360 --> 02:02:23,360
Speaker 2: This is well done. Wearing hammer pants to dance into

2567
02:02:23,440 --> 02:02:28,040
Speaker 2: uh Aaron holding the hammer. I mean that's great, that's fantastic. Yeah, Luke,

2568
02:02:28,040 --> 02:02:31,400
Speaker 2: we should get Aaron on the RSD couch. We should,

2569
02:02:31,640 --> 02:02:34,520
Speaker 2: we should, Yeah, damn right, we should all right, let's

2570
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:37,000
Speaker 2: keep this fun train going. Thank you danger. Oh, by

2571
02:02:37,000 --> 02:02:38,960
Speaker 2: the way, did you see Tristan Luke He finished the

2572
02:02:39,080 --> 02:02:43,000
Speaker 2: uh the connectivity, the connective tissue between all those scary

2573
02:02:43,040 --> 02:02:45,560
Speaker 2: animals on his arm he put like trees and shit.

2574
02:02:46,120 --> 02:02:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah he did it. He thugged out too. He didn't

2575
02:02:48,120 --> 02:02:49,720
Speaker 1: do it with any numbing cream. He did it the

2576
02:02:49,760 --> 02:02:50,680
Speaker 1: old way, which.

2577
02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:52,680
Speaker 2: Is yeah, he would. He would give birth to a

2578
02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:55,040
Speaker 2: baby without any drugs. I know him. I know that man.

2579
02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:55,840
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

2580
02:02:56,000 --> 02:02:57,280
Speaker 1: Just have it at home in the top.

2581
02:02:57,520 --> 02:03:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like a real man would, right like ar Yeah,

2582
02:03:00,800 --> 02:03:03,360
Speaker 2: all right, Let's go to David Appleton. Hi guy, this

2583
02:03:03,480 --> 02:03:05,720
Speaker 2: is so the thing I said about Appy Luke. He's

2584
02:03:05,720 --> 02:03:08,000
Speaker 2: got something I think for next week that I've already previewed.

2585
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:10,520
Speaker 2: Let's see what he's got this week. Hi, guys who

2586
02:03:10,600 --> 02:03:14,920
Speaker 2: said investigative MMA media was dead. I have uncovered a

2587
02:03:14,960 --> 02:03:18,200
Speaker 2: major scandal at MK. And no it's not the ridiculously

2588
02:03:18,240 --> 02:03:23,200
Speaker 2: tight T shirt RJ. Titty Fiddler sent me. I can't

2589
02:03:23,240 --> 02:03:28,000
Speaker 2: say anymore. Just watch the video. Cheers your local British Frenchman,

2590
02:03:28,200 --> 02:03:29,200
Speaker 2: David Appleton.

2591
02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:33,440
Speaker 3: Okay, guys, donk of the U is a fix you

2592
02:03:33,560 --> 02:03:36,360
Speaker 3: heard it here first, someone high up in the MK

2593
02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:40,120
Speaker 3: production team froze me out. It's ever since I sent

2594
02:03:40,160 --> 02:03:45,440
Speaker 3: a meme about the controversial the MK the basketball challenge. Anyway,

2595
02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:49,080
Speaker 3: he's canceled me. Nothing's got through ever since. Since then,

2596
02:03:49,120 --> 02:03:52,520
Speaker 3: he's had some big ideas. He's named Adelaide Bird to

2597
02:03:52,680 --> 02:03:55,520
Speaker 3: judge the Donk of the Year award. They held regular

2598
02:03:55,560 --> 02:03:59,200
Speaker 3: meetings at the Glory MMA gym. The idea is that

2599
02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:04,000
Speaker 3: everyone better on old washed danger Mouse and his unfunny memes,

2600
02:04:04,440 --> 02:04:07,440
Speaker 3: or on JP, who's been giving out presents to Luke

2601
02:04:07,520 --> 02:04:10,400
Speaker 3: and Bryan like he's the president of the Katari World

2602
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:14,280
Speaker 3: Cup Football Committee. Anyway, at the last minute, he's going

2603
02:04:14,360 --> 02:04:17,880
Speaker 3: to bring back Damien the dog from nowhere. They've injected

2604
02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:21,360
Speaker 3: his bull bag with fluorescent MK letters and he's going

2605
02:04:21,400 --> 02:04:24,280
Speaker 3: to rake in all the money. Anyway, I've said too much,

2606
02:04:24,520 --> 02:04:26,320
Speaker 3: I'm too dangerous. I've got to get out of it.

2607
02:04:26,400 --> 02:04:26,760
Speaker 1: Boys.

2608
02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:29,840
Speaker 3: Anyway, thanks to a loyal gain ad read on MK,

2609
02:04:30,120 --> 02:04:33,040
Speaker 3: I've got myself some property in a country that I

2610
02:04:33,200 --> 02:04:38,440
Speaker 3: can't name. They'll never feigned lid happy anyway, guys, thirty

2611
02:04:38,480 --> 02:04:40,720
Speaker 3: seven words we out.

2612
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:53,560
Speaker 2: Dude, I hadn't seen that one yet Damn, that's funny.

2613
02:04:53,680 --> 02:04:57,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's pretty good. That's pretty good.

2614
02:04:57,000 --> 02:04:59,120
Speaker 2: When I'd say on the mirror, I couldn't make that

2615
02:04:59,160 --> 02:04:59,600
Speaker 2: out in time?

2616
02:04:59,640 --> 02:05:02,280
Speaker 1: Go back? Can they still shot it? I couldn't quite

2617
02:05:02,320 --> 02:05:04,040
Speaker 1: get it either, But I didn't really need it for

2618
02:05:04,080 --> 02:05:05,000
Speaker 1: the whole joke. Bit.

2619
02:05:05,120 --> 02:05:07,920
Speaker 2: Dude, Appy's on the run. Not because of us, Luke,

2620
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:09,680
Speaker 2: that's because all the students.

2621
02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would you know, I would flee

2622
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:13,960
Speaker 1: the country as well if you know.

2623
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:17,360
Speaker 2: Oh dude, it says it says Mikey done it. So

2624
02:05:17,440 --> 02:05:19,920
Speaker 2: he's blaming uh oh yeah.

2625
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:21,760
Speaker 1: I mean, look, there have been a few times a

2626
02:05:21,800 --> 02:05:24,080
Speaker 1: thing he'll send in questionable fansubs that we can't quite

2627
02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:26,800
Speaker 1: air and Mikey is doing quality control, which he has

2628
02:05:26,840 --> 02:05:29,120
Speaker 1: to do, that's his job, and then he blames Mikey

2629
02:05:29,160 --> 02:05:33,320
Speaker 1: for not airing it. Well, Appy, you know, tone down

2630
02:05:33,360 --> 02:05:36,640
Speaker 1: the fucking pepula pew bit a little bit there, guy.

2631
02:05:37,480 --> 02:05:40,920
Speaker 2: Well, to be fair to JP, he also gets censored

2632
02:05:40,920 --> 02:05:43,600
Speaker 2: a bit, but he does come back and make adjustments

2633
02:05:43,640 --> 02:05:46,960
Speaker 2: based on the suggestions. Yes, we do have some class

2634
02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:49,680
Speaker 2: and standards. But Appy, that was great. Look this, I mean,

2635
02:05:49,720 --> 02:05:50,520
Speaker 2: this race is like.

2636
02:05:52,240 --> 02:05:56,200
Speaker 1: Versus I don't know JP is he's killing the competition.

2637
02:05:56,240 --> 02:05:58,640
Speaker 2: Gore versus Bush in two thousand. Look, I don't know.

2638
02:05:58,680 --> 02:06:01,880
Speaker 2: If you see this video that showed me that of

2639
02:06:01,880 --> 02:06:04,120
Speaker 2: of Appy, you may lose your shit. But this is

2640
02:06:04,120 --> 02:06:05,640
Speaker 2: like Gore Bush all over again.

2641
02:06:05,720 --> 02:06:05,960
Speaker 1: Luke.

2642
02:06:07,200 --> 02:06:11,600
Speaker 2: It I mean, you know you ever seen Gory Bush before?

2643
02:06:11,720 --> 02:06:15,360
Speaker 1: Luke? Okay, you had to just be gross. I mean,

2644
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:16,720
Speaker 1: you're the worst human on earth.

2645
02:06:17,960 --> 02:06:20,600
Speaker 2: Let's go to Alan w looks like the Donks have

2646
02:06:20,920 --> 02:06:24,400
Speaker 2: vape shamed Luke enough to quit. Personally, I think it's

2647
02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:27,560
Speaker 2: a bad idea. As God knows, Luke is a cantankerous

2648
02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:31,640
Speaker 2: wash bastard, and without the nicotine raising the dopamine levels,

2649
02:06:31,880 --> 02:06:35,440
Speaker 2: I'm worried for BC's health and safety, for his lower tolerance,

2650
02:06:35,800 --> 02:06:40,560
Speaker 2: for his vexation. This is Here's the last Here's the

2651
02:06:40,640 --> 02:06:41,360
Speaker 2: last ode.

2652
02:06:42,360 --> 02:06:44,360
Speaker 1: Hi. My name is Luke Thomas. I'm here today because

2653
02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:47,440
Speaker 1: I'm addicted to vaping. And this person goes, you're in

2654
02:06:47,480 --> 02:06:49,920
Speaker 1: here for vaping, man, this is some bullshit, and then

2655
02:06:49,960 --> 02:06:53,280
Speaker 1: BC says vaping is not an addiction. I used to

2656
02:06:53,560 --> 02:06:56,280
Speaker 1: s the D for a lot of dogs. You ever

2657
02:06:56,400 --> 02:06:59,120
Speaker 1: s the D for a vape? Boo? This man?

2658
02:07:01,160 --> 02:07:04,640
Speaker 2: So that's the fantastic Bob Saget scene from Half Baked

2659
02:07:04,640 --> 02:07:06,800
Speaker 2: and Luke the guy right there on the right, the

2660
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:10,640
Speaker 2: African American guy that's David from Real World Season two

2661
02:07:10,800 --> 02:07:14,040
Speaker 2: Los Angeles. Remember he he got in trouble for like

2662
02:07:14,120 --> 02:07:16,000
Speaker 2: doing that shit to Tammy, who went on to Mary

2663
02:07:16,080 --> 02:07:18,160
Speaker 2: Kenny Anderson of the Celtics. Yeah wow what.

2664
02:07:18,800 --> 02:07:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, back when the Real World was kind of like

2665
02:07:20,640 --> 02:07:23,760
Speaker 1: a different and semi interesting show true story.

2666
02:07:24,080 --> 02:07:27,280
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, all right. So this guy also says

2667
02:07:27,480 --> 02:07:30,960
Speaker 2: in episode two eighty, Luke and BC had a lover's

2668
02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:33,440
Speaker 2: quarrel and ever since then there seems to be cracks

2669
02:07:33,560 --> 02:07:37,000
Speaker 2: in the relationship. This is true, from Luke's microaggressions, too

2670
02:07:37,240 --> 02:07:41,920
Speaker 2: true and career existential quips to BC's depressed eyes and

2671
02:07:42,040 --> 02:07:44,520
Speaker 2: less vibrant attitude. Is this the beginning of the end?

2672
02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:47,880
Speaker 2: God knows us Donks wouldn't be able to handle, especially JP.

2673
02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:52,280
Speaker 2: Hopefully I'm wrong. Luke BC is the yin to your yang,

2674
02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:56,680
Speaker 2: the peanut butter to your jelly, your brothers, and with Chuck, Rashad,

2675
02:07:56,800 --> 02:08:00,520
Speaker 2: Aaron and others, you're a band of brothers. Here's fan

2676
02:08:00,680 --> 02:08:03,720
Speaker 2: art to tribute one of the best shows in television history.

2677
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:06,080
Speaker 2: The Band of Brothers. Luke, what do you make of

2678
02:08:06,120 --> 02:08:07,160
Speaker 2: this meme from Alan?

2679
02:08:07,600 --> 02:08:10,680
Speaker 1: The Donks depended on them, They depended on each other.

2680
02:08:11,400 --> 02:08:14,720
Speaker 1: I think it's funny, although the people thinking that there's

2681
02:08:14,760 --> 02:08:16,680
Speaker 1: some kind of rift is a little silly. B See.

2682
02:08:16,680 --> 02:08:19,280
Speaker 1: It does get back to another point semi related to this,

2683
02:08:19,320 --> 02:08:22,120
Speaker 1: which is, I cannot believe you have not seen Blackhawk Down.

2684
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:26,280
Speaker 1: I cannot believe that. I cannot believe that would that

2685
02:08:26,320 --> 02:08:30,600
Speaker 1: would dramatically alter your ranking of top military movies like it?

2686
02:08:30,960 --> 02:08:33,680
Speaker 2: Okay a lot? Okay with you saying that I'd be

2687
02:08:33,720 --> 02:08:35,880
Speaker 2: willing to try that now, okay, because I mean, is

2688
02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:38,520
Speaker 2: it better than The Deer Hunter? No? No chance?

2689
02:08:38,680 --> 02:08:38,760
Speaker 3: Right?

2690
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:41,280
Speaker 1: No? Probably not better than Deer Hunter. No, that's a

2691
02:08:41,400 --> 02:08:43,680
Speaker 1: very good movie, but it's legit.

2692
02:08:44,600 --> 02:08:49,440
Speaker 2: Is it better than Glory? Glory is amazing?

2693
02:08:49,680 --> 02:08:52,000
Speaker 1: See the Glory had the slavery angle and it had

2694
02:08:52,040 --> 02:08:57,800
Speaker 1: better actors, but it had like a forward movie. It's

2695
02:08:57,880 --> 02:09:02,680
Speaker 1: much better. Okay, it's very interesting thing that happened, like

2696
02:09:02,720 --> 02:09:05,400
Speaker 1: obviously the Civil War happened, but I mean a very

2697
02:09:05,400 --> 02:09:06,800
Speaker 1: particular incident that happened.

2698
02:09:07,440 --> 02:09:10,000
Speaker 2: All right, all right, who am I supposed to be

2699
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:12,120
Speaker 2: on the right there? And that in that fat body.

2700
02:09:11,920 --> 02:09:15,040
Speaker 1: Luke, you know, just some Gomer Pyle, just some piece

2701
02:09:15,080 --> 02:09:15,680
Speaker 1: of shit.

2702
02:09:16,000 --> 02:09:18,960
Speaker 2: Piece of all Right, let's wrap this up. Here's Omi ROAs.

2703
02:09:19,000 --> 02:09:22,280
Speaker 2: He says, I for one know i'd watch this version

2704
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:26,400
Speaker 2: of Billy Madison. Goodouche his final everyone is now dumber speech,

2705
02:09:26,680 --> 02:09:29,120
Speaker 2: Thanks for making our week bearable? Is the two time

2706
02:09:29,280 --> 02:09:32,640
Speaker 2: award winning MMA podcast. You two old bags filled with

2707
02:09:32,720 --> 02:09:37,560
Speaker 2: mayonnaise looking spaces of nothing. Wow, Omi ROAs, that's something there,

2708
02:09:42,600 --> 02:09:49,320
Speaker 2: Rizuto Roruto. Yeah. Yeah, Let's turn to page sixty nine

2709
02:09:49,360 --> 02:09:50,480
Speaker 2: of your reading books.

2710
02:09:52,320 --> 02:09:56,400
Speaker 1: That is that is spectacular. That is boy, these are

2711
02:09:56,520 --> 02:09:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, dude, no one the audio, no one

2712
02:09:58,840 --> 02:10:00,720
Speaker 1: knows me quite like the audio of this show. I

2713
02:10:00,760 --> 02:10:04,600
Speaker 1: really will say. They they just they know they know

2714
02:10:04,600 --> 02:10:06,240
Speaker 1: how to get me. They know how to get me,

2715
02:10:06,280 --> 02:10:08,120
Speaker 1: and I can't do anything about it. I'm at their mercy.

2716
02:10:08,160 --> 02:10:09,920
Speaker 2: He can't. You don't have the self awareness to do

2717
02:10:09,960 --> 02:10:11,760
Speaker 2: anything about it, Luke. They know you though. Let's go

2718
02:10:11,800 --> 02:10:14,200
Speaker 2: to Jason. He says, what's up, j from Boston.

2719
02:10:14,360 --> 02:10:16,640
Speaker 1: We've gone on so long that I now have to

2720
02:10:16,680 --> 02:10:19,040
Speaker 1: switch earphones because this thing fucking died on me.

2721
02:10:19,320 --> 02:10:21,640
Speaker 2: I mean, we you know, we maximize the whole, Luke,

2722
02:10:21,680 --> 02:10:23,520
Speaker 2: we give them the full Monty Uh.

2723
02:10:23,720 --> 02:10:25,440
Speaker 1: Jason J.

2724
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:28,200
Speaker 2: From Boston says just one for you today, I had

2725
02:10:28,280 --> 02:10:31,480
Speaker 2: the to meme the classic scene from Billy Madison to

2726
02:10:31,560 --> 02:10:35,600
Speaker 2: say to LT be nicer to young Raoul Rosas junior.

2727
02:10:36,040 --> 02:10:37,000
Speaker 2: He's just a kid.

2728
02:10:38,680 --> 02:10:39,839
Speaker 1: I don't get this scene.

2729
02:10:40,680 --> 02:10:43,760
Speaker 2: This was the scene at the first grade birthday party

2730
02:10:44,160 --> 02:10:46,760
Speaker 2: when his fat friend, fat drunk friend was just hitting

2731
02:10:46,760 --> 02:10:49,320
Speaker 2: that kid in the face a million times with the hose,

2732
02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:51,680
Speaker 2: and the kids like, I don't even know you're stopping.

2733
02:10:51,720 --> 02:10:53,600
Speaker 2: I don't even know you and the guy's just laughing

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Speaker 2: as he's doing it.

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Speaker 1: Luke, the show with the show yet?

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Speaker 2: Wow? Wow, sorry dad, you know, let's get let's get

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Speaker 2: the bed.

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Speaker 1: The two shows in a row, well over two hours.

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Speaker 1: Very unnecessary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Area, you were fun until you saw what

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Speaker 2: time it was, Luke. That usually happens. We've got one

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Speaker 2: more to close. This is from cgln. Who the hell

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Speaker 2: is cgluns?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Probably better this joke. Can you blow

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Speaker 1: it up? Is there a caption?

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Speaker 2: I don't get it. There's no catch, It's just the

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Speaker 2: picture of Luke. Your thoughts all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, Mikey didn't do very much quality control. Let's

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Speaker 1: just be honest, Mike. He's like, I'm gonna put this

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Speaker 1: one in of random fast food in youtwo.

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Speaker 2: That's yeah, not the way to close with a bang.

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Speaker 2: But those are our fan subs of the week. Morning

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Speaker 2: Combat at gmail dot com. Dead wrongs on Friday.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, Hey, let's remind everyone while we have time. Of course,

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Speaker 1: there's the email to reach. The show for Friday is

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Speaker 1: dead wrong, which reports was gonna be is gonna be

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Speaker 1: another very long one that's gonna be in play, but

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Speaker 1: also but also showtime dot com Now new customers only

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Speaker 1: get six months four three ninety nine. Pretty great. You

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Speaker 1: can catch the boxing this weekend and everything else that

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Speaker 1: will happen, including by the way, Biltmore versus Rising on

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Speaker 1: New Year's Eve Day in addition to that, and of

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Speaker 1: course Revera versus Martin this weekend in addition to that,

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Speaker 1: of course, uh thestore Morningcombat dot store for all the

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Speaker 1: the promo code back to back I believe is correct. Yep,

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Speaker 1: there it is. You can see it. On the screen.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, if you're listening to the audio podcast,

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Speaker 1: it's back the number two and then back all one

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Speaker 1: word back to back and then BC. Lastly one more time.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna keep you know, promoting it obviously the entire time.

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Speaker 1: But February eighth, folks in the UK in London, come

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Speaker 1: join us for a live show. Get your tickets now,

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Speaker 1: February eighth at the King's Place in London, England.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's in the King's cross Section of London, eight pm.

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Speaker 2: Doors open. As Luke said, you can hit that QR

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Speaker 2: code on the screen and buy your tickets right now.

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Speaker 2: I believe this is a five hundred cea ish venue.

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Speaker 2: But Luke, we planned to sell that shit out. Isn't

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Speaker 2: that random that one episode, like a year ago, I

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Speaker 2: was like, you know, I got this vision that one

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Speaker 2: day we're gonna do a live show in England in

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Speaker 2: front of five thousand fans. Now Looke. We won't meet

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Speaker 2: the five k here, but this is wild just the same.

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Speaker 2: So this is from the great folks at the Sports

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Speaker 2: podcast Group. This is their first annual podcast festival called

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Speaker 2: pod Live US and I believe four other podcasts that

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Speaker 2: were also award winners last this year will be the

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Speaker 2: headlining act, so it'd be a live show, would be fun.

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Speaker 2: We'll have special Combat guests hopefully Appy, Well, we'll make

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Speaker 2: the visit as long as Luke he's not wanted in

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Speaker 2: multiple countries.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that seems like he's destined for jail,

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Speaker 1: but you know, hopefully he can join us just the

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Speaker 1: same before Interpol grabs him at the yeah airport, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Like, if Carmen san Diego was real, Appy would have

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Speaker 2: molested her, right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, on that note, we should probably call

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Speaker 1: it a day. That's okay, all right, Back Friday. Back Friday,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't already caught it, BC had his second

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Speaker 1: live chat yesterday. You can go and check that out

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Speaker 1: at YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat. We will see

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Speaker 1: you folks on Friday in the UK. We can't wait

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Speaker 1: to see you there on February eighth, So for showtime Mulcas,

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Speaker 1: CBS Sports, Brian Campbell, I'm Luke Thomas. Catch you guys

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Speaker 1: on Friday, and until then, may all of your gains

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Speaker 1: be loyal