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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Ja billis ESPN college basketball analyst and popular

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Speaker 1: analyst at that joining us on the program emotional weekend there.

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Speaker 1: What did you expect was going to happen with the

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Speaker 1: final game there with coach k At Cameron. I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: As you said, there was an emotional element to it

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Speaker 1: that none of us could predict, you know, how we'd feel.

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Speaker 1: And even though we knew this was coming since last spring,

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Speaker 1: the finality of it, and the fact that there was

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Speaker 1: so much it was like a royal wedding in a way.

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Speaker 1: There was so much pomp and circumstance around it. The

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Speaker 1: media coverage, I mean, the media camped out there was incredible,

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Speaker 1: So it was kind of an odd feeling. And then

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Speaker 1: having all the former players down there before the game one,

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Speaker 1: it was really cool to see everybody, but it was

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Speaker 1: just it was so different than anything I've ever been

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Speaker 1: through before. But it was there were parts of it

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Speaker 1: that were incredibly cool. You know, you just wonder is

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Speaker 1: it going to impact the game, And I don't know, honestly,

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether it did or didn't. I mean,

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Speaker 1: before that, before the game, everybody talked about the emotion

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Speaker 1: is going to be this great weight on the players

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Speaker 1: and all that. But I think I had said, if

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Speaker 1: Duke wins, everybody's going to say they rode the wave

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Speaker 1: of emotion to a victory. If they lose, they're going

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Speaker 1: to say it was a huge distraction and a reason

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Speaker 1: they lost. All that stuff is just a sort of

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Speaker 1: an excuse or rationalization. It may have been a factor,

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Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, you have to play,

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Speaker 1: and Carolina was just better. If I would have said

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Speaker 1: to you in nineteen eighty five, we're going to get

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Speaker 1: to this point with coach k where we might be

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Speaker 1: celebrating him as the greatest college basketball coach of all time,

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Speaker 1: what would you have thought. I mean, I wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: disputed it, but it's certainly hard to imagine that anyone

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Speaker 1: could stick around somewhere forty plus years and have this

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Speaker 1: kind of success. I mean, when my class ass which

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Speaker 1: included Johnny Dawkins, Mark Allery, David Henderson, and Tommy Amaker,

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Speaker 1: was the next year. When that group left, there was

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Speaker 1: no guarantee they'd ever have a team that good. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we won thirty seven games that last year we were there,

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Speaker 1: and that was a record, an all time record, and

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Speaker 1: what it took till twenty twelve till Kentucky won thirty

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Speaker 1: eight to beat that. So and coach Kate had two

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Speaker 1: or three thirty seven win teams after that and final

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Speaker 1: fours and national championships. I mean, a coach makes one

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Speaker 1: final four, it's a career maker. And he's made twelve

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Speaker 1: and as a chance for another one this year. That

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Speaker 1: that just you know that That's where when I was

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Speaker 1: always really sensitive grown up in Los Angeles to the

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Speaker 1: John Wooden discussion of the greatest of all time, that

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Speaker 1: people would try to take Wooden down a peg by saying, well,

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Speaker 1: they played in the West and it was easy to

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Speaker 1: get through the West and he had Alcinder and Walton.

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Speaker 1: Well that was true. I mean he won five titles

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Speaker 1: And but coach k did it at the highest level

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Speaker 1: for longer like Wooden one ten and twelve years, which

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Speaker 1: will never happen again. To say it's extraordinary as an understatement,

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Speaker 1: but the argument for Coach k against Wooden is that

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Speaker 1: he did it for forty years, you know, as number one,

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Speaker 1: It's really really remarkable. I'm not sure we'll ever see

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Speaker 1: his like again in that regard. I was wondering about this.

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Speaker 1: You go back to Johnny Dawkins, which to me was

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Speaker 1: sort of that transformational recruit that Coach k got, and

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Speaker 1: then he convinced late Latener's mom to not go to

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Speaker 1: North Carolina was going to get Lightner and Hill and

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Speaker 1: you know, so if you look at those three, would

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Speaker 1: you Is that correct though? That that was sort of

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Speaker 1: what was happening at the time that I think was

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Speaker 1: a big difference maker coming in. And then the fact

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Speaker 1: that he talked Lightner in Grand Hill out of going

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Speaker 1: Johnny Dawkins is the most important player to ever played Duke.

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Speaker 1: It is certainly under Coach King that but for Johnny Dawkins,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure this honestly, this happens. Maybe it does,

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Speaker 1: recruiting battle was Danny Ferry. Danny Ferry was a high

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Speaker 1: school senior in nineteen eighty five and Carolina was all

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Speaker 1: National Player of the Year and one of the best

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Speaker 1: guy that I think Greece the skids for, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Duke Versus Carolina recruiting battles. And the truth is Dan,

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Speaker 1: Duke and North Carolina recruited the same guys that still do.

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Speaker 1: And I always thought it was funny, like Duke recruited.

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Speaker 1: I was in a grand assistant when Duke was recruiting

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Speaker 1: the heck out of Eric Montras and he chose Carolina,

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Speaker 1: and Carolina recruited the heck out of Latener and Hurley

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Speaker 1: and all that and Carolina fans hated Latener and Hurley

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Speaker 1: and Duke fans hated Montras, who may be the nicest

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Speaker 1: person that's ever lived. And you're going, do you guys

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Speaker 1: realize if they'd made a different decision, you would have

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Speaker 1: put statues up with the guys you claim you hate

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Speaker 1: on both sides. It just they both both schools recruit

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Speaker 1: unbelievable guys. And there's not a better person on the

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Speaker 1: he'd be a Duke icon and they tout him. But

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Speaker 1: you know, he went to Carolina, so they don't. They

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Speaker 1: don't care for him. It's just that that's part of

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Speaker 1: the rival regnus. But I look back on Latener and

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Speaker 1: I know later was so important to the program. But

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Speaker 1: did he also create sort of that US against the

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Speaker 1: rest of the world mentality by his style of plays personality? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that that probably started with Ferry a little bit, and

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Speaker 1: and Laterner had unbelievably tough skin. He's probably you know,

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Speaker 1: in addition to being arguably the best player ever at Duke.

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Speaker 1: He was the best competitor that's ever played there. That

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Speaker 1: dude was unbelievable. And I don't remember him dan ever

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Speaker 1: getting outplayed, whether it's Shaquille O'Neill or whomever. O'Neill may

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Speaker 1: have been a better player, but he didn't now play later,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember anybody ever doing that. And Latern, like

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Speaker 1: I used to played tennis with Latner, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Later at six ten, six to eleven whatever he was,

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Speaker 1: Like when you and I were kids, athlete meant could do,

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Speaker 1: but Latern was an extraordinary athlete in that way. He's

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Speaker 1: Jay billis ESPN college basketball analyst. Did it feel like

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Speaker 1: the end of an era? On Saturday. Yeah, not just

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Speaker 1: coach k but I'm talking about college basketball. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: we've I've felt that before, you know, when Bob Knight

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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy five, you felt like, mote, boy, it's

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Speaker 1: never going to be the same, and it is never

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Speaker 1: going to be the same. But but in one part,

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Speaker 1: there's there's sadness because he's leaving. But on the other part,

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Speaker 1: it's exciting. He's exciting for the next chapter for him

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Speaker 1: and his family. But it's also exciting for the game

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Speaker 1: the game will be just fine. But but he let

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Speaker 1: Bob Knight said this about Henry Iva. I think when

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Speaker 1: Dean Smith and Bob Knight and Pete Newell, you name it,

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Speaker 1: these guys. We've had some iconic coaches. But one thing

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Speaker 1: They have to change the way they do business. And

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Speaker 1: so you know, we're going to see a little bit

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Speaker 1: of change in that we may not have the super powerful,

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Speaker 1: to talk to you again, Jay, We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: a tournament time. Thanks for joining us as always, thanks

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Speaker 1: actually had a clock attached to Major League Baseball. Let's

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Speaker 1: maybe you have extra time for something, you add like

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Speaker 1: Now you have the clock on him at fourteen seconds,

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Speaker 1: Get in the batter's box, start to swing away. I

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Speaker 1: bad bases. Basses are loaded all of a sudden, five

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Speaker 1: two and a half hour mark, Dan, you finished that ending.

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Speaker 1: Still waiting for a decision with Aaron Rodgers, probably tomorrow

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Speaker 1: prefer to trade Aaron Rodgers to the Denver Broncos than

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Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers or any other team in the NASC. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I also wonder if Green Bay knew what they

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Speaker 1: had in Jordan Love, would they be going through any

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Speaker 1: of this right now? I think Green Bay had the

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Speaker 1: right strategy and poorly executed. And what I mean by

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Speaker 1: that is two years ago they said, hey, you know what,

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Speaker 1: we got to be prepared for Aaron Rodgers graduating. And

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Speaker 1: what happened was they traded a fourth round pick. They

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Speaker 1: traded a fourth round pick to go up and get

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love. They have more questions than answers with him,

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Speaker 1: and if I was them, I would just keep adding one.

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Speaker 1: And that's what the Ron Most did. Matt House, event,

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Speaker 1: Mark Brunell, Aaron Brooks, all those quarterbacks were developed under

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Speaker 1: Brett Farb. They need that same mindset because the only

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Speaker 1: grade you really can give Jordan Love Dan is a

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Speaker 1: great incomplete But they have to keep that mindset, keep

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Speaker 1: adding another quarterback. Would you rather have Aaron Rodgers for

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Speaker 1: three years or Russell Wilson for five, Rogers for three

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Speaker 1: because I think he's the best player on the planet.

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Speaker 1: And again, if we were running a team Dan, We'll

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Speaker 1: keep looking for his replacement. But will you have a

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Speaker 1: chance to win a championship. It's hard to say no

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Speaker 1: to that. Would you rather have Rogers for one year

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Speaker 1: or Brady for one year? Ooh, probably Brady. I got

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Speaker 1: twenty years of Scar Tis that guy. Who would you

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Speaker 1: take Dan for one year? I would take Rogers? Is

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Speaker 1: that I think he can do more with less. I

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Speaker 1: think Brady when it's structured, when it's like he has

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Speaker 1: the right peece people in the right place. I think

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Speaker 1: Rodgers can make things happen. I don't think Tom makes

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Speaker 1: those things happen. All things equal that Tom gets to

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Speaker 1: pick his team and Aaron gets to pick his team,

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Speaker 1: I'd probably take Tom. But you know you don't get

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Speaker 1: to always do that. Let's spice it up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather have Tom Brady at his salary and his

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Speaker 1: lesser demands economically than Rogers as his because if we

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Speaker 1: have Tom, we could bring back a lot more of

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Speaker 1: the band. Okay, how much is Tom going to cost you?

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Speaker 1: What do you play for? About twenty five twenty six

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Speaker 1: billion in Tampa, where Rodgers will probably take probably double that.

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Speaker 1: If Mahomes is at forty five, I think Rodgers, if

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Speaker 1: he plays, will be north of fifty yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's fair when you bring in the money. But

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Speaker 1: do you think Tom Brady's done? No? I don't you

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Speaker 1: know why. He could have told the entire planet when

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Speaker 1: he was on with Jim Brady that I am done unequivocally.

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Speaker 1: And I think if you cut Tom Brady in half, Dan,

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Speaker 1: what's gonna ooze out of him? If a world class

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Speaker 1: competitor and you're a great dad, I like to think

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Speaker 1: I'm a good dad. You could take your kids to

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Speaker 1: school and that's all well and good. But it's Tom Brady, like,

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Speaker 1: how many times can you take the garbage out to

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Speaker 1: the end of the driveway? Right, I mean even as

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Speaker 1: long as a driveway as he has like at some point, right,

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Speaker 1: guys still playing at a high level, How do you

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Speaker 1: pursue Tom Brady if you're the nine Ers? Oh that's easy.

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Speaker 1: I am relentless. I am saying, this is about your legacy,

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Speaker 1: this is your hometown, and we'll talk to Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 1: You tell them that you're not going to play there.

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Speaker 1: I lived this unfortunately, because what happened was far was like, look,

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Speaker 1: I want to play one more year and I don't

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Speaker 1: want to play here anymore. It worked out for us

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Speaker 1: of the Jets, because we had just hired Rex Ryan.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to draft somebody to build with Rex. We

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Speaker 1: got fortunate and worked out with drafted Sanchez. Want a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of games together. But if I was the

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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers, I would call up Joel Blazer, the

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Speaker 1: owner of the Buccaneers, and just say, hey, he's not

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Speaker 1: playing there anymore. We want to sign him for one

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Speaker 1: more year and we'll give you some thing, because if not,

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Speaker 1: he's just going to run away on your reserve retired list.

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Speaker 1: So why not get at least something for him and

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Speaker 1: then at the right time, have Tom put some pressure

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Speaker 1: on and that could be more of a July conversation

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Speaker 1: to be candid. Yeah, but you know, Bruce Arian said,

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Speaker 1: it's bad for business if all of a sudden you're

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Speaker 1: letting Tom kind of dictate what goes on here. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What's worse for business, Bruce, is if you get nothing

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Speaker 1: for a guy that says he wants to play, but

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Speaker 1: he just wants to play for his hometown. So it

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Speaker 1: could get really sticky. And again, I actually lived at Dan.

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Speaker 1: I thought through those machinations of like, we may tell

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Speaker 1: Brett he can't go anyplace else. But I was just thinking, like,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if the guy doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to be there, you're really stopping progress of your

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Speaker 1: own organization. So at some point, cut your losses, get

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Speaker 1: what you can and move on, because at some point,

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Speaker 1: either Kyle Trass or Blaine Gabbert, someone's going to be

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Speaker 1: the guy for them in Tampa Bay. And if Tom

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Speaker 1: wakes up on July fourth and said, hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: these car pools are a little bit too much for me,

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Speaker 1: and I want to play for my hometown, I think

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Speaker 1: it'd be hard for Tampa to stop that. All Right,

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Speaker 1: We have a bet here. Paully, my producer, thinks that

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Speaker 1: a quarterback is selected the first thirteen picks of this draft.

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Speaker 1: The over under is thirteen and a half. Now, any

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Speaker 1: quarterback is going to go in the top thirteen picks.

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Speaker 1: Where do you want to weigh in on that? I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna take the under. I was there, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: more questions than answers this year. And with that said,

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Speaker 1: if you and Idam we're having a conversation to three years,

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Speaker 1: I think Kenny Pickett will be a decent starter. I

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Speaker 1: think Malik Willis is super intriguing because he's really well built.

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Speaker 1: He just needs a little polish and I think they'll

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Speaker 1: be drafted, but I think it's lower in the teens

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Speaker 1: at the earliest. Oh so you're taking the over so

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Speaker 1: there's not a quarterback selected in the first thirteen. Oh sorry, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I met under like lower in the round. But think, okay, eighteen,

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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty somewhere in there. When does hand size matter

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Speaker 1: with these quarterbacks? Great question, Dan, Context is everything. Kenny

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Speaker 1: Pickett's had twenty seven fumbles and lost the leven them.

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Speaker 1: It's meaningful with him. If we're talking about a guy

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Speaker 1: that never had any fumbles. You can have six inchants,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter, but the fact that they were some

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Speaker 1: nine inches and he's had ball security. Now, with that said,

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Speaker 1: if you and I were running team, we could still

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Speaker 1: take him, but we'd be sitting there talking about what's

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Speaker 1: our plan for him? What's the ball security drills? Like,

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Speaker 1: how are we going to work on this? Every player

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Speaker 1: has streets and weaknesses, but his hand side is meaningful

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Speaker 1: because he's had twenty seven fumbles in his career. What's

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Speaker 1: the thirty three team is that you're teaching at Columbia

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Speaker 1: is that part of that, Well, yeah, you're slightly different.

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Speaker 1: So the thirty third team is a bunch of coaches

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Speaker 1: like Doug Peterson Dan Quinn that when they were with

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Speaker 1: the team they wanted to state current and we have

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Speaker 1: some rock star grad students that are supporting them, and

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Speaker 1: we're just putting out free content to the world that's

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Speaker 1: sort of like just looking at things from behind the current.

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Speaker 1: We had Brian Schottenheimer just write an article about what

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Speaker 1: it's like to be a quarterback coach at the Combine,

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Speaker 1: and we had Bill Pollywright an article why he hired

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Speaker 1: Tony Dungee. And it's just trying to bring people behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes. It's thirty thirteen dot com and we have

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Speaker 1: a free newsletter. But you're also teaching a course at

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Speaker 1: Columbia University, aren't you. I am, So I squeezed at

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Speaker 1: him between my responsibilities at ESPN. So we do that

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Speaker 1: every Tuesday in the fall, and that's the business of

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Speaker 1: the NFL, and it's great. There's so much to talk

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Speaker 1: about around the league, and there's a whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: grass tudents that are way spar than their professors. So

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Speaker 1: I think I learned as much from them as they

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Speaker 1: learned from me. Help me understand that, Sam, how the

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Speaker 1: North Carolina quarterback goes in for his interview with the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: As soon as he walks in, they have him do

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Speaker 1: pop his shot? What what are you looking for there?

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Speaker 1: If you're the Eagles competitors, you know, like Pete Carroll

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Speaker 1: is really known for that. Like Pete in his team

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Speaker 1: meetings will have an offensive guy against a defensive guy

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Speaker 1: and he wants them competing at everything. And I think

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Speaker 1: you're looking you know Coach Parson else has a great expression, Dan,

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Speaker 1: like you want to battlefield commander as a quarterback. So

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Speaker 1: does he hit the shot? Does he command the room?

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Speaker 1: Does he handle adversity? I can't tell you how many

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Speaker 1: times Dan, over the years in Indie we have taken

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks off our board where we would show some interceptions

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Speaker 1: and we would say, hey, take us through that play

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Speaker 1: and they would blame the play call, they blame the receiver,

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Speaker 1: they blame and like they're they're off the board. So

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Speaker 1: you learned a lot about people that way. What if

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Speaker 1: they're right, What if their assessment of the play was

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Speaker 1: it was a bad call, you know, that receiver made

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Speaker 1: the wrong pattern? Yeah, no, that's fair, dam But you

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Speaker 1: gotta be Alaron Rodgers or Pat Patrick Mahomes. I have

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Speaker 1: a little equity in that conversation. First, you don't think

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Speaker 1: you don't think Aaron Rodgers would blame the play calling

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Speaker 1: or his wide receiver coming out of Cow. He would.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's interesting you say that Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: slid for a lot of reasons back in the day.

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Speaker 1: And we didn't interview when he came out, but I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you, like intangibles matter, especially at that what was

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Speaker 1: the criticism of Rodgers and why he felt it first?

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Speaker 1: And you know he was a junior college transfer first

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Speaker 1: of all. You know he was not and now look dowadays,

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Speaker 1: that wouldn't matter at all. Back then, there was all

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Speaker 1: sorts of studies about being a thirty forty game starter,

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Speaker 1: and I think there were some questions about you know, leadership.

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Speaker 1: And look at the time, the irony was, you know,

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith went run and Mike McCarthy was the offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator of the forty niners. Mike Doah was the head coach.

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Speaker 1: They picked Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers. McCarthy becomes a

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Speaker 1: head coach of the Packers and the rest of history.

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Speaker 1: So the ultimate irony was if McCarthy, as the offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator of the forty nine ers, had selected Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: thinking about how much history would have been different for

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Speaker 1: Mike Nolan at the time. Aaron Rodgers and McCarthy and

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Speaker 1: Green Day, great stuff. As always, Mike, we appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. You make as smarter. Yeah, I appreciate a

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Speaker 1: big fan of your show and really appreciate you having

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Speaker 1: me