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This is The Socks Machine Podcast with 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:57.440 your hosts Jim Margolis, James Began, and Josh Nelson. 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:01.080 Hello, everyone, welcome to your new episode of The Machine podcast, 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:04.560 part of the Foul Territory Network. I'm your host Josh Nelson. 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:07.400 As we record this episode on Sunday, July twenty six, 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:11.000 twenty twenty six, lots of discuss as the Chicago White 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:14.080 Sox just wrapped up their series against the Houston Astros, 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.960 a losing series. They lost two out of three. We'll 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.360 talk about that. Regarding the sixth inning issues the White 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:24.320 Sox faced in both Friday and Saturday's loss. Munataka Murakami 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.320 not only does he have sushi in his honor, But 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.839 he also got a bobblehead and had a huge day 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.039 on Sunday. We'll be talking about that, but first we 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:35.760 have some breaking news from the Chicago White Sox on 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.240 the trade front. That breaking trading news for the Chicago 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.360 White Sox comes from Robert Murray and Robert Murray first 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:45.720 reported in confirmed by our James Vegan at Sox Machine 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.800 that the Chicago White Sox are acquiring pitcher who's a 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.800 Yorkidi from the Pittsburgh Pirates. Your Kidi has spent most 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:56.600 of this season with the Indianapolis Triple A affiliate for Pittsburgh, 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.480 as he started seventeen games there with a three point 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.360 sixty six or in run average. In eighty three innings 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.440 this season, your Kidi has seventy three strikeouts. His last 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:10.079 appearance to the major leagues was back in April for Pittsburgh. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.720 So why do the White Sox make this trade or 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.840 what exactly is the latest Well, I am now joined 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.760 by my partners in Crime Sox Machines, be reporter James 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:24.280 Vegan and managing editor Jim Margolus, And hello gents, James, 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:26.600 you were able to confirm as far as the trade 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.560 the White Sox made with Pittsburgh for your Kidi, what 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:31.800 do you know about this deal? 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.560 Well, I mean, now it's official obviously, you know, kind 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.920 of going for a DSL reliever. You know, he had 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:43.919 been recently dffade off their triple A roster and from 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.520 what I was told, he's going to the White Sox 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.240 triple A roster. So you know, his numbers are triple 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.680 A or decent. He hasn't really got lit up at 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:56.280 working in relief back in April for Pittsburgh, but it 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:59.040 sounds like, you know, he's stretched out. He's he hasn't 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.600 made a major league start since twenty twenty three, getting 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:03.360 all the injuries, and you know, he was a solid 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.480 like mid rotation guy for the Astros back in the day. 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:08.360 But at this point it sounds like he's my like 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:13.720 depth of the bulk or stretch out sort. So obviously 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.760 the White Sox rotation isn't flux. We don't know like 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.959 how many more bites of the apple, like Noah Schultz 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:20.840 is gonna get. And you know, certainly they're looking to 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.680 add starter is probably their biggest priority in the deadline. 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.840 I don't yet know how a heet he fits beyond 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:28.560 organizaizational depth at. 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:31.399 This point though we will see got it all right, 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.680 So doesn't sound like much. Jim, what are your thoughts 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:36.160 about this deal for the White Sox. 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.040 Yeah, the only thing I can uh think of in 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.520 terms of like why he jumped out, aside from just 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:43.800 being defa'ed and being front of mine, is that he 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.040 has shoved against the White Sox, and two of his 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.280 three outings against the White Sox and easy seven innings 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:53.480 both times in twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty three was 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.160 more ordinary, like I think if throw like four innings 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:58.920 at that point, but that's when the shoulder injury started 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:00.800 to set in and then he had to John surgery. 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.160 They cost him two years. So probably a different version 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:07.960 than what the White Sox have seen overpower them in 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.120 previous years. But they have gotten a look at him 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:14.360 when he's at his best, and that's still probably better 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:16.920 or a different kind of picture than the White Sox 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.080 currently having Charlotte. They really don't have the kind of 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:24.480 veteran arm that they can just use to fill innings, 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:26.719 that they can push that has been through the ringer 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.359 like a lot of these guys in Charlotte limited to 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:33.800 five innings. Sometimes they go six at most, but you're 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.480 seeing like a weird amount of bulk guys in Charlotte. 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:38.039 So I think it just helps to have somebody down 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:41.839 there who can throw five, six, you know, maybe even 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.640 beyond that if he's you know, if he's cruising, and 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:47.560 not really have to worry about any kind of long 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.599 term developmental ramifications. 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:54.000 I guess from my perspective, a lot of White Sox 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:58.720 fans make okay, so Charlotte needs pictures is what's the 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.640 next move? And I think we're all waiting to see 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.279 what that next move is for the White Sox. But 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:08.480 someone on social media was complaining that the White Sox 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.839 must see that Eric Vetti gives up too many home 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.680 runs and there's got to be a better option. We've 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.560 talked about it the last couple of weeks, listeners. The 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.719 internal starting pitching depth for the White Sox is really 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.440 shallow at the moment, so hopefully your Keatie can help 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.160 least build up some depth in Charlotte. I don't know 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:29.520 if that makes anyone, if that exposes them to possibly 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.200 being dealt. We'll see. The trade deadline again is on 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.480 August third. Lots of pieces are going to be moving. 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:39.000 We'll see if any of consequence for the White Sox. 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.320 Now for the Chicago White Sox recapping as far as 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.560 his series lost to the Houston Astros, even though they 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.239 won big on Sunday twelve to three. The most painful loss, 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.960 or one of the most painful losses this weekend, happened 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:56.280 on Friday nights as the Chicago White Sox were up 0:05:56.360 --> 0:06:00.279 five to nothing, and then a car crash of a 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:04.400 sixth inning in which the Chicago White Sox allowed eight runs. 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:08.760 And then on Saturday, scoreless game, Hunter Brown was dealing, 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:11.480 Sean Burke was dealing, and then yet again, the sixth 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.720 inning comes back and burns the White Sox as they 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:18.119 give up three runs in that frame. Here is White 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.920 Sox manager will Venna Bull sharing his thoughts on those 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:23.400 two losses for the White Sox. 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.160 I mean, obviously the first one sixth inning got away 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.240 from us, so that we did a good job offensively, 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:30.640 I had to solve for a bunch of. 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.039 Different guys after Getty went out. 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:34.640 Yeah, just kind of a tough one. 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.359 Event yesterday, you know a little bit different where we 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.040 just got beat. You know, we got to the buyer 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:42.160 a guy with really good stuff that which does as 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.240 well as probably pitched all year and you know, just 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:46.960 really figuring him out. 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:50.680 So yeah, tough, tough games. John opportunity today was we're. 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.120 Excited about it now. When it comes to the sixth 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.320 inning issues for the Chicago White Sox again, they gave 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.200 up eight runs on Friday, seven hits, three walks, and 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.479 they hit a batter. And then on Saturday, three runs, 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.320 two hits, hit another batter, a walk, and then a 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.960 very cross the air by Brady Montgomery as he just 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.240 missed as far as the ball rolling under his glove 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:14.720 on a single that ended up clearing the bases. And 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.840 when it comes to the Chicago White Sox and this 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:22.480 sixth inning issue, I immediately start thinking about listeners, the 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:27.000 t top times for the order, penalty, and for Davis 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.080 Martin on the mound. Davis Martin's been excellent. The first 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.520 time through the order. Opposing hitters are just hitting two 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.840 oh six, they're slugging just two sixty five and then 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.600 on base percentage of two forty six. That's fantastic. But 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:43.440 things drastically change when Davis Martin faces a lineup a 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:47.320 second time. That batting average increases the two ninety three 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.920 against and his on base percentage against this three seventy 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:54.360 two and the third time to the order doesn't really 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.480 dip two eighty seven batting average, three point fifty on 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:01.480 base percentage against Davis Martin. Lugging percentages are still in 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:04.640 the four hundreds. They haven't exceeded in the five hundreds 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:08.080 yet against Davis Martin, but that's pretty drastic. And when 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.080 you look at Sean Burke as far as his te 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:14.280 top first time through the order, very good below three 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.640 hundred and all three two to seven batting average against 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.840 just a two eighty nine on base percentage in the 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:23.280 first time through the order, second and third time batting 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.320 average very close to the same two fifty four and 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.760 two fifty on base percentage is three twenty three thirteen. 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:34.120 Sean Brook's pretty consistent against opposing lineups when he faces 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.680 them a second and third time, so it's a little 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.360 bit different for both of them. But this is something 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:43.160 that I do wonder here, James moving forward, because Davis 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.280 Martin is on track to pitch and it's set a 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.080 new career high for him in a season of innings, 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.800 and we've been asking the White Sox to do something 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.280 to Pad. As far as the starting rotation, are there 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.760 any t top concerns moving forward in how we watch 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:04.320 the Chicago White Sox starters. 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:11.520 Well, I mean, yes, third times to the order affects everyone. 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:16.079 It's kind of the greatest challenge in starting pitching. It's 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:18.719 it's kind of like how do you prevent the rain 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:20.800 from falling? Like, yeah, it will be the most difficult 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.800 part of everyone's outing every single time, but really separates 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.480 you know, they're reliable starters. 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:28.959 You know, even what kind of. 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:33.480 Separates Martin and Burke even from k a little bit 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:35.880 in terms of like how regularly they get allowed to 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:37.720 go third times to the order and certainly separate some 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.520 Schultz and Fetti and like that they don't really attempt 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:41.160 to do that at all. 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:42.480 Is the difficulty of that. 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:47.199 But as far as like Martin's not, like I think 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.680 what's maybe affecting him or in the second half is 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:52.840 like you just haven't necessarily seen the stuff tick up 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:54.720 to what it was earlier in the season. But like 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.720 the natural nature of Martin's like arsenal is that he's 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.440 throwing six different pitches at you that he and you 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:04.360 know has a wide enough arsenal that he's cycling through. 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.560 He's showing you a different plan of attack every time through, 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.920 So he's sitting more ninety three ninety four and just 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.280 kind of is more vulnerable, you know. But recently he 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:15.120 felt like in general we were talking to a post 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:19.560 game uh Friday that and I think it's evidenced by 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.440 like the walks and controls that he's shown. That sens 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.240 coming out of the break is that he feels like 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.439 his mechanics are trending up and that they did address 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.960 what the spots in his delivery that he wasn't felt 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.720 like he was getting into as the break held. So 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:35.000 like he feels like he the first two starts and 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:38.400 especially like looking at that game, both the you know, 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.080 six innings really blew up on them and I think 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.360 keyed around hit by pitches of batters that they felt 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.640 like they could get out with with Burke and Martin, 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:48.280 and once they did that, they kind of removed their 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:50.720 margin for air for bat at balllock and here and. 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:52.319 Gets killed by two roundball. 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:57.200 Singles and then the you know, the Christian walker like uh, 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:59.920 you know, Basis Leary double that like Fargus, that was 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:04.400 all was unreviewable like once. It's really those extra base runners, 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.080 which one was the flaw in his game that he 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:07.679 couldn't work around, you know, at the end of the 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.360 first half, and he was flagging and you know kind 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:11.840 of the thing that you know was the straw that 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.400 broke the camel's back in this so Burke, if anything, 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.520 is shrinking as arsenal, because he's talking to him recently 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.160 that he's kind of banging this change up. But that's 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:21.680 mostly reflective of the fact of how good his curve 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.960 ball is working. And he was the same thing, like 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.360 he's been great third time through the order, Like he's 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:29.640 kind of builds his velocity up over the course of 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.800 the game where you see more ninety six ninety seven 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:36.199 as he goes on. It's usually like I think we've 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:37.760 gotten to the point where like his first pitch will 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:39.439 be ninety two and you kind of shrug it off 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.240 and see him build up from there, and you know, 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.080 it kind of reminds me of Lucas Shilito a little 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.600 bit in the sense of like this big, long, levered 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.360 guy who kind of gets more in sync fifteen to 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.040 twenty pitches in than he is at the start, which 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.160 lines up to how much he kind of struggled the first. 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:54.320 Early in his career. 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:59.800 I mean his uh, his inning really like his third 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:01.720 time trip to the order, like really blew up because 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:03.600 of defense, like obviously hit the batter to kind of 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.480 remove it where a defense could hurt him, to agree, 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:07.520 but like Colson not getting to the ground or that 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:09.760 you know a police for the you know, the great 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.439 defense he played the first season half his career, you 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:13.160 kind of are used to. 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.520 Him getting even if it's challenging to turn a DP 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:15.920 off of that. 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:17.640 And then Braden kind of whiffing on one that you 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.720 saw him trilling like the exact same play pregame Sunday. 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.240 In response, I think without those he kind of looks 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.120 like regular Burke again. But will three times through the 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.080 order be hard? It will always be hard, sorrdest thing 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.800 in sports, or at least the hardest thing in pitching. 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:36.600 I just ignore all the sports entirely. But yeah, I 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.840 think it's a challenge from I think like they don't 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.520 these are you know, the creme of the crem of 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:44.560 the rotation. But Davis Martin, Sean Berker not like proven 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.000 playoff starters or proven guys who like. 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.119 Are awesome at the end of one hundred and eighty. 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.400 Any seasons in September, not because they can't do it, 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:55.280 because they've not done it before and so much alike 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:59.040 with his White Sox pitching course is unestablished in that way, 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.160 and so that's in a watch going forward. But it's 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.760 also the it's the fundamental challenge. I don't think like 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.640 they I'll ever not have third time through the order 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.080 numbers that are worse than the rest of their selection 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:11.960 unless something really goes is going on through year where 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.560 they're struggling out of the gate in some way. That's 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.360 really the issue and out third time to the order 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.000 like this, that's the nature of the Beast. 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.280 Shop at twenty twenty six All Start collection now at 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.120 the new Look File Territory Shop dot com. The drop 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:29.960 features every all Star, including Munatako Murakami, Miguel Vargas and 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.240 Tristan Peters. 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Having him 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.760 come in with the bases loaded against a righty and 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:19.920 Christian walker probably not the ideal situation, and I think 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.600 there's more to protect Martin and just how things have 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:24.920 snowballed on him and not wanting to be too passive, 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.800 but it just happened so quickly that he got caught 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:30.960 in between like do I let him go one better 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:35.000 too long? Or do I bring a reliever for a 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.640 not an ideal matchup because Hudson's splits, I don't think 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.440 are that crazy to where you're setting them up for failure. 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:44.440 Just happened to be a very well placed ball down 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.520 the line and that's what happened to it. So based 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:51.040 on this one start alone, like where his velocity was 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:55.560 pretty close to what it is and seemed like he 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.040 was locating everything well enough, and he had his whole 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.280 arsenal in play. It is easy to write it off 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.360 as just an isolated occurrence versus like this larger pattern. 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:08.320 I think the larger pattern is worth paying attention to 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:11.760 and banking in your memory just to have something compare 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.280 it to as you go along. But you know, with 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.040 how he looked in that sixth inning, it was a 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:23.040 matter of just the worst possible luck with the usual vulnerabilities. 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.880 I do think that we're seeing, you know, Martin, you know, 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:29.880 as Era is regressing back to what it is in 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:33.440 his career, which is like closer to four. And I 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.360 wonder how much of his just outstanding started the season 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.720 is coloring this conversation of him, because you know, nobody 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.800 would have expected him being like a game one or 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.840 Game two postseason starter. It just happened to be everything's 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.400 coming together a year earlier. And so playing with your 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.840 hand to your delt, you know, Martin is a game 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:54.280 one or Game two, probably game two now, but probably 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.080 not what a team wants ideally, probably more of a 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:00.240 Game three or Game four. So you're having these conversations about, 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:02.960 like how good is Davis Martin, which is kind of 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.040 a double edged thing and that it's a compliment to 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:08.120 the season he's having, but also maybe just put some 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:12.280 a position where you know he's he's a very good 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:15.720 developmental story to get where he's gotten if he is 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.960 like a number three or number four starter. So it's 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:21.760 more about mitigating that kind of picture versus Davis Martin, 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:27.120 you know, fallen from Grace type conversation. I do think 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:32.320 as the postseason nears, especially in September, when rosters expand 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.840 a little bit, and perhaps the White Sox have a 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.160 bullpen guy or another bulk guy that they can go to, 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:41.360 that you will see starts get shorter and just the 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.280 especially if they're in the postseason, run to where you 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.360 know every game matters, that you will see a lot 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:51.320 more of October type managing where it is two times 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:53.720 through at most, and then they're going to have somebody 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.560 warming up no matter what, because you can't get caught 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.520 with your pants down. And I think that's what you 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:03.160 might see if like September rolls around and it's a 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.400 two game lead or two game deficit and you can't 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:09.600 afford to give away winnable games to give guys rest 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.800 or try to stretch somebody. You probably will see fifth inning, 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:20.080 more middle relievers or Sean newcom you know, well qualified 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.760 long relievers or bulk relievers coming into play earlier and 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:27.199 having more handedness imbalances, you know, going from right to 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:30.479 left or left to right, just in order to you 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.480 have whatever advantage you can get while guys are flagging. 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.120 Yeah, that's I have the same thought, Jim. And that's 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:41.119 where I think maybe moving forward, everyone that covers the 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.679 White Sox and White Sox fans just might need to 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.199 accept the fact that Davis Martin could be limited to 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:51.000 eighty five pitches, not only to try to keep him 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.480 as fresh as possible for the rest of the season, 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:59.119 but also a matter of being effective. That clearly not 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.639 the numbers that when you try to push them to 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:05.000 one hundred pitches things start to break down. That doesn't 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.280 seem to be the case for Sean Burke. So right 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.520 now to this starting rotation for the White Sox, it 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.760 really feels like, who is the most confident that you 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.800 could think of who can throw six innings for the 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:19.280 White Sox right now, it's Sean Burke. So it may 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.679 be just the rotation of five and fly guys, and 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:23.879 then we'll see what the bullpen could do. But at 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:25.600 least the White Sox who have some bulk guys in 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:29.400 the bullpen though James like Sean Newcome, Chris Murphy at 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:33.480 times if games go sideways. Tyler Schweitzer is still part 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:36.800 of the White Sox bullpen as well. And I had 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:38.879 a feeling that maybe Grant Taylor was going to be 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.399 trying to push the two innings on Sunday before the 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:44.760 White Sox offense exploded and gave a pretty big lead. 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.280 So the bullpen may need to pick up more innings 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.000 as we get closer to the postseason. 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.800 I mean to a degree. I don't think you want 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:57.199 to tax your core guys or expand their roles dramatically 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:02.439 in some way. And Will Venables said this weekend that 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:07.240 he didn't think that been a Burker Martin will really 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.880 have Innyans caps this season. So now they're pretty stretched 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:13.400 out unless they're showing like some particular type of wear. 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.240 I don't think they're just trying to taper them necessarily 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:21.040 going into you know, the postseason, because your your bullpen 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:24.359 will be plenty well, you'll need them to be fresh 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:26.480 for that since they'll probably the ones who have the 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:29.239 roles expanded that time of year. I don't know if 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:30.720 you want to like step on the gas in some 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:35.119 systematic way before then. I certainly think like once you 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.119 get in the postseason, once you're actually in those games, 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:40.200 and like, yeah, everyone has to be pretty much rolling 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.680 to get a third time trip to the order. Everyone's 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:46.480 like on watch and their second time, especially those early 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:50.760 rounds where you're talking, you know, your season most mostly 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:54.479 spinning on one or two games. I think it certainly happens. 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:57.480 They're just organically from like you know the value of 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:01.280 those those individual innings, every single run. But as far 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.280 as like thinking everybody's going to turn five and dive 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:06.880 right now. If anything, I think the big thing they 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.040 wanted the deadline is to kind of remedy that and 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.040 not be in that situation as often, because that makes 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:16.439 it trickier to use Taylor Newcombe back to back, and 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:18.480 certainly like winning series sometimes. 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:18.880 Can dictate that. 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:22.080 So I certainly see that being like an element of 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.240 their postseason strategy. But I think of it, I think 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:27.040 they're trying to fortify in a way that they don't 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.439 have to necessarily just have the bullpen pitch half the 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:32.520 game on a regular basis, because like, that's not really 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:34.879 sustainable and I think there's too much year left to 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:37.119 start acting like you're near the finish line. 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:41.199