WEBVTT - Ep 39: Craig David 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:20.400 Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats. 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:26.079 Good evening, everybody. It is midnight on January the eleventh, 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.120 twenty eighteen. I'm not sure if this is going to 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.200 pick up on my mic or not, but my neighbors 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:37.320 downstairs have just come home and they are laughing hysterically, 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:40.840 which is the norm. Actually, they tend to come home 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:46.280 around midnight, laugh their heads off for about five minutes, 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:51.040 and then it's dead silent, and that's the only time 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:53.680 we ever hear of them. I don't know what they're 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:55.840 doing for the rest of the time. I don't know 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:57.920 if they're just working up to this one big joke 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.320 that comes at midnight and then they laugh at it 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.040 for five minutes and then they're gone. I don't know. 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:08.080 They're nice people, so I don't mind. And as neighbors go, 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.600 I mean, that's not too bad, is it. But welcome 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:14.800 to the first episode of Midnight Chats for a new year. 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.920 We're currently eleven days in. I hope it's going well 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:22.160 for you. I feel it's going okay for me. Yeah, 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.120 there's no huge complaints there. But let me tell you 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:29.960 about tonight's guest on the podcast. Craig David is someone 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:34.240 who you may well think is kind of an unexpected 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.600 one for us to feature. But the truth is that 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.680 the music of Craig David is something that's very dear 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.200 to me and to most people who are in their 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.400 mid thirties now who grew up around that first wave 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.160 of UK garage. I was going to clubs for the 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:55.600 first time around ninety nine two thousand and UK garage 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.800 was the sound of my town. South End on Sea 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:02.080 went really bit on it, and a lot of that 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:04.600 was thanks to Craig David and the artful Dodger and 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:08.079 rewind released in ninety nine. The following year, when Craig 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:10.680 released Born to Do It, his debut album, that was 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.560 game over like it was the only thing that was 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:17.200 played in South End at least, Craig David was everywhere. 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.239 When I was seventeen, you couldn't escape the guy and 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.239 you either embraced it and had the best time, or 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.720 well there wasn't really an awe that was it. You 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:31.080 just had to stay in otherwise. So Craig David's music 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:36.680 is very nostalgic for me. This conversation is essentially two 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:41.280 guys in their mid thirties reminiscing about the Olden Days. 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:44.440 Craig does also have a new album coming out this 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:48.000 month called The Time Is Now. We hardly get onto that. 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.560 In fact, I don't think we get onto it at all. Instead, 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.480 we spent our time together talking about the streets we 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:58.079 took about him moving to Miami and essentially his return 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:02.040 via his TS five show, which started out in his 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.640 apartment in Miami and went all the way to the 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:09.240 Pyramid stage of Glastonbury last year. Thanks very much to 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.120 Craig for coming on the podcast. He really was as 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:15.840 nice as he sounds on this and thanks to you 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:19.360 for listening and downloading this episode of Midnight Chats. We're 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:23.120 now back on it, so there will be a new 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.400 episode every other Thursday for the rest of the year. 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.200 We're going to try and fit in some extra ones 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:33.480 in between as well. Please do subscribe if you haven't already. 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.400 And before I leave you with Craig David, let's just 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.400 see if I can get this on the mic of 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:52.560 them having a better time than me? Could you hear that? No? 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.040 I don't know. Just realized I've turned into the creepy 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.720 guys recording people downstairs, so I'm going to stop now. 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.880 It's the trainers. We were talking about training. You're you're 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.279 a trainer guy, are you? Is that your thing? Like you? 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.520 But you buy a lot of trainers. 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:24.839 I kind of tend to sort of want to like 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.400 a certain style. I kind of then buy into a 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:30.080 lot of that style. So for at the moment, it's 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.560 like the Adidas n nds. Back in the day, it 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:35.120 would have been like the Reboot Classics. 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.240 Yeah, I've just bought some new Rebok Yeah. Yeah, because 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.440 they've kind of come back full circle right here. 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.719 Yeah, yeah, it doesn't feel like there's a lot of 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:48.120 that resurgence of certain brands I'm seeing like Theodorus and 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:52.240 yeah yeah, FeelA, Yeah, it's all come full circle, just 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.120 all champion as all like the Champion one doing like 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:59.599 a collaboration with like a very cool brand like off 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:04.400 White or something like that kind of I was thinking Champion. Yeah, wow, people, 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.320 how times have changed? Is this amazing? Yeah? 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:07.880 It's yeah. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:09.560 So at the moment, the nds again a lot of 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:10.160 love cool. 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:14.600 How many trainers have you got. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:18.800 Do you know what it's I'm definitely over one hundred 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.400 trainers sort of scattered about all over the place. But 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.400 I think that the reason why I got so like 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:25.600 turn a little bit of a training fanatic is because 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:30.440 my first real pair of trainers wasn't Nicare Hachis the Originals, 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:32.720 which I wish I could have kept original in bas 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.200 right now you could have the original box now and 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.800 oh man, but I saved up all my pocket money, 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.080 got seventy quid in It was like that was seventy pounds, 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.760 where I'd like took time to get seventy pound going 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.720 into the store put them on. It was a whole moment, 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:49.960 like putting them on, hoping no one christened them when 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:51.560 I walked out of this thing, and I used to 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:53.640 scrub them with some this brush I had and the 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.200 whitener and all the stuff I used to do. So 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:58.680 I think once I was able to go out and 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:00.919 buy a couple of trainers, I was like fulfilling that 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:02.920 kid in me. He was like, what you can buy 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:06.360 trainers now? Yes, we are going to Good BUYE you know, yeah, yeah, yes, 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:06.760 that's me. 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.760 We had Mike Skinner on this podcast and we didn't 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:12.480 talk about this on the podcast, but I know for 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.400 a fact that when the streets were yeah that peak 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.520 he had this deal with Rebuke with Rebok Classics, did it, 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:21.040 and they would send him a new a brand new 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.960 pa every Bok classics every day. No, it would arrive 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.960 at his house a brand new really every single day. 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:29.800 That's kind of too. 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.000 Much, right, I mean every day is like yeah, I 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.960 mean that that's a blessing in disguise, you getting them 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:35.599 every single day. 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:37.960 So he'd like so that throw and the band like 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:39.920 when he was on tour, the band they had rebook 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.920 on their tour bus and stuff, and did. 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.360 He have the same Was it the same, like he's 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.599 a white pairs white payscause I mean every day, I 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:48.760 mean that's gonna I think so. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.360 I mean, I mean I'm guessing like you could have 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.960 chosen like whatever, whatever the workout pluses or whatever. Of course, 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.919 but he would or the band had to wear them, 0:06:57.960 --> 0:06:59.920 and because they had so many, they would throw them 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:01.520 into like they would take pairs. 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:03.840 No, they were them guys. So they were almost like 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.440 the crowd was just like this is like heaven get 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.760 Rebot classics, Rebot pumps, man, they've come back. Yeah, I'm 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.400 seeing the Rebot pumps coming through. And they were like legit, 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.920 like you had rebopped pumps back in the day. I 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:20.800 like the streets Man Muskin as Wicked Man. We were talking. 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.000 I was talking to Danti recently and we're just talking 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.080 and we just came into the Streets and we both 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:27.920 said at the same time about blinded by the Lights. 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.840 That's the one as well, that's the original. 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:34.840 Parate material and tunes, but that tune puts you into 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.840 a place, and just the video that accompanied it was 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:41.720 just right and lyrically just you know, almost I mean 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:43.880 they were they were big, but it's almost way ahead 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:45.640 of their time because there's no one that, for me, 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.160 has come and filled those shoes. I feel it's going 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:50.120 to be dropped a record now, which I'd like to 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:54.480 think the Streets will do something again now. I think 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:55.080 it would be huge. 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:59.040 Yeah, that song in particularly that bass sound, it encapsulates 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.000 what it's like to be in a club. 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.040 You're just like it's proper rape. But it was slowed 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.280 it was slowed down. It wasn't like a full on's 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.080 the way he did it. Yeah, I agree with him. 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:18.040 Yeah, he's just announced some shows street shows, so they 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:21.520 sold out in like three seconds, you know, but he's 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.240 doing kind of small venue. I think next year is 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.400 going to be the he did. He announced the tour 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.360 for here of like five dates or something. They sold 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:32.840 out in like a heartbeat, and I think, like, I 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:34.840 think that's the start of things. I think. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.680 He came. We did a Tears five one of my 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:41.719 Tears five shows, part of my Poor Party that I 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:43.439 was doing in a Beefer, which we're going to do 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.599 another twelve weeks next year, so if you want to 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:47.839 come through, I thought that was just announced, right, so 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:49.880 if you want to genuinely, it's like so much fun. 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.720 But Mike Skinner performed at that on the closing party 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:58.320 the tunes and was this his? Was this his Tongua 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:02.920 party or yeah? So then the tunage that he was playing, 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.800 and I was just like part of me. I just 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.120 been a fan of his music, thinking, you know what, 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.319 you've got to get on the mic again. Man, there's 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.240 like you've got this gift. It's that poetry in motion 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.360 man the way. So if they're doing the streets kind 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.680 of shows again, I'd like to think there's just a 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:19.880 tip him. 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:21.600 I think there's something in there even on. 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:23.199 This podcast, just to be like, if you're listening to 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.040 my please get on the mic. I know you may 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.320 be in a different stage. Even if it's a two 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:31.080 three tunes. Let people know that that you you you've 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:34.360 still got that because like that skill set ridiculously. 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:36.640 Yeah. He's also put out some things under this new 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:40.000 name called The Darker, the Shadow, The Brighter the Light. Right, 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:44.760 you should check that out on Spotify. And and he's 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.560 on the mic. Then there's a few tunes up there today. 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.840 Thanks man. And he's got a podcast with Key I'm 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:54.959 guessing you met Merkage Dave. Yeah, those two do a 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.800 mad podcast called peak Times. And you kind of need 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:01.079 an urban dictionary to like to navigate through it. Yeah. Yeah, 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.920 it's like it's a whole different language, but it's really good. 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:04.600 I checked for that too. 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:06.520 Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like, this is what I'm 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.640 learning to like new things to hear about his podcast 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.600 about him dropping like the street shows. Are they already 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:13.360 done the Street shows? 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.600 Or they're in like April time? Okay? 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:18.480 Cool? After yeah, somebody knows someone. 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.320 Yeah, so we're here at Sony is this can you 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:25.360 remember the would you have come into Sony way back 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.920 in the day or because I know were you down? 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:29.640 You were down the street at Atlantic right? 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.640 Yeah, so I did well. First I was at Wild Star, 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:38.439 which was half owned by Telstar Records, I used to 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:42.079 do all the compilations and by Capitol Radio. So it 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:44.679 was the first kind of like collaboration between two and 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:49.160 then then then I was signed to it went through 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.080 Atlantic but in America, so that was that was that part. Okay. 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.559 Then I was with Universal for a second. Then now 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.400 obviously was with so with Insanity and Sony. But I 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:00.960 remember walking into the Sony build like but it wasn't 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:02.679 this one. It was when they were in a different place. 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.240 And it was funny because that was when my little 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.640 not mixtape but mixed by CD that had walked away 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.360 on it and didn't have filming in or seven days. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.240 It had rendez Vo I think on there too, kind 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.720 of a cover of Human by Human League. 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.800 Okay, is this this is before this? This is before 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:19.880 we went before this. 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:24.240 Is like, this is happening around about the time we 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.800 started to do things. But no, but it would have 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:28.520 been on that CD. Yeah, it would have been before 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.160 because I remember people were sort of talking about, yeah, 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.200 this guy's a garage thing going on. This is artful 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.920 dodge of things happening in the garage scene. But I 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.920 remember walking into Columbia, like walking in and seeing his 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.760 marble floor man looking up and seeing like that's in 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:43.400 his child plaques. And there was Will Smith at the 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:44.760 time when he was having this huge all the men 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.120 and black stuff he was doing Mariah Kerry and was 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.400 thinking this is the spot. And I was going there 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:52.960 to have a meeting about possibly being signed, and then 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.840 I'd go to see Wild Star and Colin Lester, who 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.000 was the guy who came down to Salanton and was 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:00.959 looking to sign me at the time, who's now been 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.079 my manager for like seventeen years, which is how the 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.880 crazy how that story unfolded By walking into his office 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.240 and I was like, man, is this really this is 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.760 what this company is like really about? I mean, it 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.079 wasn't bad. It was just like it just looked like 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.160 an office like that someone put together. 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:21.080 And going into like a kind of recruitment at reads 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:22.080 or something. 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.280 Yeah, I guess that was that kind of look. Yeah, 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.679 we you know, it's sort of like little little dividers 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.840 between those that are sort of been put up real quick, 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.800 and there's a little boardroom and and I was like, now, 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.120 I was thinking, okay, but the weirdest thing is that 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.040 looking back over those seventeen years, is that It was 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.120 the best decision I've ever made, because even though Sony 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:41.800 they kind of wanted to do a development deal at 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:43.680 the time and they weren't quite sure and they thought, oh, well, 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:45.840 maybe he's only got one tunes walking away, and that 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.160 was cool. He was the first only person that said 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.040 to me, you know what, we can do an album. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:50.680 Yeah, we'll do it. 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.400 We'll do we'll do single deals on the table. These 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.000 other guys are just talking about, like, I'm sure if 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.679 they're gonna put a single on table, but you come 0:12:57.720 --> 0:12:59.480 back with a couple of songs, there's an album there 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.480 for you. And he stood by his word because when 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.040 I came back and said I've just written the song 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.400 called fill Me In, and he's like, oh, okay, cool, 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.480 I see now, and yeah, there's just tuna just done 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.319 with it called seven Days, and then check this one 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:14.280 out and he's like, okay, okay, right in that kind 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.360 of vibe, it's like shoving a pen and you're just like, 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.200 you know what we talked about the apples, Let's make 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.040 that happen a little quicker. I was going on the holiday, 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.520 but let's maybe do before the holiday. And then it 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.200 all panned out, so it's just like it's been a 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.480 mad one, like coming now back in the Sony building. 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.680 Yeah, but that first when you first were coming into 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.000 buildings liked this, you were like seventeen eighty. 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.280 Yeah, I was living a dream man. You come from 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:39.280 a council state, like in so Dantan just thinking, man, 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:42.719 coming up to London is like a day out, you think, 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.960 but to go park up and you're going in seeing 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.520 the crazy things like I saw like Darkest when like 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.360 before the sort of island sort of like days and 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.840 being like him being top boy there. I was going 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:58.200 into Columbia and BMG, and it was just mad to 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.880 think that I remember Puffy, Oh that one I thought 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:03.760 only thought about the other day. Right. I had a 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:07.280 phone call to my manager at the time and it 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.640 came through and he was I was at his house 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:13.000 and he said, oh, yeah, Greig Puff, Daddy's on the 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:16.080 on the on the phone and I was like, that's joke, 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.320 cause he's a bit of joker at the best of times. Anyway, 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:20.720 love to wid me up with stuff. Yeah, he gave 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.560 me the phone and I know Puffy's voice, I mean 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:26.200 you know certain voices. Yeah, when I heard it, I 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.240 was like, you actually for real. I mean this is 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.280 someone I've grown up on. Bad Boy Entertainment, the Tourist, 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:35.120 Big One, twelve, Faith, all these artists, and Puffy's on 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.720 the phone saying, listen, bro, we're loving the vibe, love 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:40.880 the music that you've got going on. We'll send us 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:42.880 send my jet over to come pick you up, bring 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:44.440 you over. You can come and check out how the 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.360 bad Boy family is over here. And I was like, 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.680 what is going on here? What? 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:51.240 What points? 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:52.200 This is? What? 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.320 What's what's? How's he found out about you? At this point? 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:55.960 Is this? 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.520 Like? This is when? So at this point? 0:14:58.720 --> 0:14:59.480 Now grown up? 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.600 At this point, I think we got to the point 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.600 where film in seven Days has been released. We were 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.080 on the cusp about to release one to do it 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.080 but the prediction everyone saying, oh, it's looking like it's 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.920 gonna be a number one albums. It's kicking off. So 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.280 he was like on the phone, real. 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.480 Puffy knows something, man, he knows something's up. 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:18.680 Imagine that one minute you're watching the Top of the Pops, 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.880 just chilling, just relaxing back and have your tea, just 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:23.560 like no, it's just have a little food. You've got 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:25.320 Puffy on the phone talking about jets, come over see 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.120 the bad Boys family. You're thinking, is this one big 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.040 joke going on here? Madness? But yeah, it's crazy. 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:31.960 Did you go and see it? 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.000 Do you know what? It never ended up. I never 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:36.960 ended up going with Puffy in the end. It's like 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:40.680 Atlantic really strong at the time and Craig Cowman, who 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.080 was like there was like we gotta make this happen 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.040 and it felt like the right place to be. 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.160 But have you met Puffy since? 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:49.560 I met him a couple of times, but only it 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:51.800 was back then. It was around those sort of times and. 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.560 Did he live up to like your childhood idea of 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:56.520 what yeah was he was still Puffy? 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.280 Then it was Puffy, I mean then it went to 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.960 Diddy and then more recently loved a few different things, 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.240 but like it's Puffy man, Like, it's just when you 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.680 look at someone who the music I was listening to, 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.400 Like I said that listened to the tourist Big and 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:15.200 definitely his involvement of leaning uh not Toys BG into 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:19.080 songs like one More Chance or Juicy or Big Papaware 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.120 or more R and B. And then you think then 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:24.280 Mary J. Blige was involved, and then you think of 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.600 one twelve and then you think of Faith Evans, and 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:28.520 you just think of Lil Kim, and you just think 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:32.440 of the nineties R and B hip hop bad boy. 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.440 That bad boy was running the show, and you're there 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.680 and I'm there speaking to him thinking, and then what 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:40.600 he's gone on to do is a career. I've just 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.400 got to rate him. He just somehow always kept himself 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.800 current and at the same time with the Sean John label, 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.640 like saending Forbes, he's like one of the matter. He's 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.160 accumulated money wise as well. So I'm just like, gee, 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:52.760 what a guy. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:54.280 Yeah, Yeah, he knows what he's doing. 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.760 He knows a few things. He knows a man and 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.040 knows a man who can put together a few. 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.360 Yeah, I can hook things up. So you back here? 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:04.600 Are you living back here now? 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:05.200 Yeah? 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:06.680 I'm back back back from Miami. 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:10.119 Yeah, I still my home's there. But like for me, 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.439 I had to let there was a real I had 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:17.120 to let go of about two years ago of that 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.920 kind of thinking that it was living in Miami and 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:21.800 that living a dream and all that stuff. And don't 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.480 get me wrong, it was I fulfilled a huge part 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.360 of what I wanted to do in terms of sports 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.840 car and the apartment and everything. I was just like, wow, 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:33.840 someone was off. Man. I just felt like it was 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.320 like this is all not this is not the place 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:38.399 to be. It was very transient as well. It's like 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.159 people coming in out and out for holidays. And the 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:45.920 music scene was very heavily edm or heavy hip hop 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.040 like real just just trap. It wasn't really a sort 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.359 of in between. And then as soon as I moved back, man, 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.719 it was almost like everything aligned. You walked into that 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:59.879 radio station with mister jam and corrupt and something connected. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.320 I mean, what we miss it when when you were there, 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.960 even when you even maybe when you first moved moved 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:06.240 out there, because you were there for like eight or 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:07.280 nine years, right. 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.160 It was about four or five years. 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.840 Were there moments like what was the thing that you're thinking? 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.960 I missed this from back home? Pubs? For me, it 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:21.760 would be pubs, like because I like the States, but 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.280 they don't do nowhere does like a British pub, do 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:25.719 you know what I mean? 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:31.240 Like this's culturally so far and like I couldn't you know, 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:33.919 you want to talk about we were talking about we 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.720 bot classics or. 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:38.200 Just like frames of references. 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.480 Talk about garage music forget that that's that's not even 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:42.960 gonna reminds of conversations I was going to ask. Was 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.520 like the certain things you just couldn't have, And I 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.919 felt like when you can't sort of reminisce about certain things, 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.439 and also more importantly, that my friends and family were 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:55.600 so far away. It was just like you get friends there, 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:59.199 you do a different kind of friends that someoneould be 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.320 closer than others would be like there because they wanted 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.199 to go party with you, and that's kind of their remit. 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.399 And there's other people who would be like you wouldn't 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:08.360 call them up if you got stuck on the motorway 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:10.080 out there. They'd just be like, oh, the answer machine 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:11.480 sort of keeps kicking in all the time. But when 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.880 you're throwing a house party, the real quick to be like, okay, 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.000 yea on my way over, man, what time should I 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:17.560 be there? It's one of those ones, and so you could. 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:19.720 I knew how to differentiate between what was going on, 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:23.000