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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants.

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Speaker 3: Let's welcome to another edition of the Giant Subtle Podcast,

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Speaker 3: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the

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Speaker 3: New York Football Giants. I'm John schmelk Our guest front

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Speaker 3: of the program covers the NFL Draft for The Messenger.

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Speaker 1: He is the one and only Mike Renner. Mike, what's

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Speaker 1: going on?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 5: Hey, John, thanks for having me on, Buddy. Excited for

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Speaker 5: this draft season to kick off?

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Speaker 3: Man? Yeah, And look, this is basically the kickoff, right.

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Speaker 3: We have the Shrine Bowl and the Senior Bowl coming

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Speaker 3: up over the next week and a half or so,

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Speaker 3: which is always fun you kind of for us who

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Speaker 3: don't necessarily get to go scout at college games, it's

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Speaker 3: the only chance we have to really get our eyes

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Speaker 3: on these guys up close playing football. What difference does

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Speaker 3: that make for you? Getting to see these guys in

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Speaker 3: person after all the work we've done on them watching

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Speaker 3: the tape.

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Speaker 5: I still think a lot of that's overrated, Like going

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Speaker 5: in person and seeing them. I think the biggest thing

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Speaker 5: that I can glean or that I do get to

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Speaker 5: glean via the pre practices is kind of their energy?

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Speaker 5: You know, who they are as players? Are they kind

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Speaker 5: of understated?

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Speaker 4: Are they you know?

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Speaker 5: Are they leaders in a group of guys that they

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Speaker 5: just met? Is I think like the biggest things you

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Speaker 5: can glean there is just what kind of you know,

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Speaker 5: their personality and who they are in that regard. But

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Speaker 5: in terms of on field performance, like I've watched you know,

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Speaker 5: I've watched all my basically football life via tape, and

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Speaker 5: so it's it's it's not saying it's like it's not helpful,

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Speaker 5: but it's just something that the comparison that you have

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Speaker 5: is tape and that I think that still is the

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Speaker 5: best way to evaluate because that's kind of the bar

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Speaker 5: that you have for everyone.

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Speaker 4: But it definitely does help to be down there and

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Speaker 4: see those guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what I'd like to get a feel forwards body types, right,

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Speaker 3: you know, as someone that's been in NFL practices now

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Speaker 3: for going on fifteen sixteen years, I know what guys

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Speaker 3: at certain positions are supposed to just look like, just

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Speaker 3: look at frame and stuff like that. So I get

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Speaker 3: something out of that, at least seeing what they look

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Speaker 3: like next to other guys, Whether or not they match

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Speaker 3: what that end prototype is supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: That's one hundred set. And there's guys that I'll go

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Speaker 5: to back to last year's class. You go to the

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Speaker 5: defensive ends. You had Derek Hall down there, the Auburn

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Speaker 5: defensive end, who was just like built how you'd want,

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Speaker 5: long arms. Guy was jacked to the gillsbs ends up

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Speaker 5: being like a top fifty pick. And they had Andre

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Speaker 5: Carter down there from Army, who you know, is spending

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Speaker 5: his offseason training for the Army as skinny as can be,

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Speaker 5: doesn't have body mass, and you're just like that guy's

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Speaker 5: not going to be and ends up going on drafted

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Speaker 5: just like that guy's not going to be and make

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Speaker 5: an impact on the NFL roster next year.

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Speaker 4: So it's just you could definitely glean a lot of information.

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Speaker 1: From that, all right.

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Speaker 3: And everyone likes to start at the quarterbacks, that's not

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Speaker 3: what we're starting here. I think the best position group

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Speaker 3: at the Senior Bowl this year, Mike, is the offensive line.

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Speaker 3: You could have three or four offensive linemen from this

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you.

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Speaker 3: I still have Joe Alt and Fashion who kind of

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Speaker 5: Going to be at the Senior Bowl. Yes, well, Emius

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Speaker 5: Mims I think could be the number three offense. So

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Speaker 5: those two, those two are juniors. It's a great tackle class.

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Speaker 5: But you said I could see so Taliasafuaga could be

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Speaker 5: Paul from Houston, Jordan Morgan from Arizona, and Kingsley Suamautaia

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Speaker 5: you could have potentially five first rounders from this tackle class.

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Speaker 5: And that's not even to mention the guys like Troy

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Speaker 5: is the most talent I've seen in a position group

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Speaker 5: It truly is a different type of group than you're

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Speaker 4: Well, we having a ball watching them down there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So how do you separate these guys?

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Speaker 3: Like, what makes Fuaga different than guy, different than Morgan,

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Speaker 5: So it's one is I think it's hard on the

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Speaker 5: then you're going to trend towards the bigger offensive tackles

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Speaker 4: So, like, that's where you'll trend more towards.

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Speaker 5: But if you want, you know, you run an outside zone,

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Speaker 5: you want more athletes, you'll go you know, you're pulling

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Speaker 5: length helps, movement skills help, play strength helps, But there's

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely, It's all about getting your hands inside, technique,

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Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff that that's just key and

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Speaker 3: as os as the tackles. Right, this is a pretty

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Speaker 3: good guard class we have here too, and throwing Jackson

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Speaker 3: he's played both Cooper Beebe who's really your you know,

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Speaker 3: Dominic Pupuny, the kid out of Kansas. So you've got

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there could be as many as you know,

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Speaker 5: nine into your offensive linemen down Sener Bowl taking.

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Speaker 4: The top hundred's. It's awesome class. It really is.

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Speaker 5: For an offensive line needy teams anywhere around the NFL,

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Speaker 5: the guy that I keep going back to in this

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Speaker 5: you know, everything you want. Has some power guard power

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it should be fun.

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Speaker 3: And then you take a look at some of the

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Speaker 3: So who are some of the defensive linemen that you

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Speaker 5: I think the interior, so the defensive tackles is a

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Speaker 5: the Senior Bowl, but a lot two. I'd be surprised

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Speaker 1: Especially with his medical history.

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Speaker 5: and he's just like, he's the most skilled pass rusher

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Speaker 4: He's a super high floor guy.

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Speaker 5: I think he's gonna be a top fifteen pick regardless

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Speaker 5: of what he does down there and mobile. But I mean,

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Speaker 5: if he does play, does you know, do the one

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Speaker 5: on ones, it's only going to help him. He's going

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Speaker 4: So very excited to watch him play.

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Speaker 5: But I also I'll highlight Darris Robinson on the edge,

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Speaker 5: the Missouri guy who's one of the more intriguing body

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Speaker 5: two hundred and ninety plus pounds playing off the edge, which.

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Speaker 4: Is a versatile by type that I think a lot of.

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Speaker 5: Like every defense wants a guy who's that size, who

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Speaker 5: the interior. Everyone's looking for that guy, so I think

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Speaker 5: just because it's a projectable NFL body type. But this

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Speaker 1: I learned Murphy. Murphy's great man.

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Speaker 4: Oh he's unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: I think he's gonna be a top fifteen pick, top

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Speaker 5: twenty at worst. He's He's like a Grady Jair undersize

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Speaker 3: Mike santz Still, who I know athletically, will see how

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a loaded group of corners and wide receivers.

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Speaker 4: It's seemable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how guys are gonna stick with

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Speaker 5: Yeah, har upset him against him against someone like quinia

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Speaker 4: But he didn't play press.

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Speaker 1: He played all off coverage.

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Speaker 5: On tape exactly. So he's not playing press man at Toledo.

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Speaker 5: But that's what you do because that's what people want

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Speaker 1: I want to see Xavier Lagett because he's a guy.

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Speaker 3: Watched him on tape Mike, and obviously you see the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've called him and I'll keep calling him. DK

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Speaker 5: not a full rout tree guy. I mean DK is

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Speaker 5: I mean he's got that. He's got that level of juice.

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Speaker 4: So very excited to see how he fares.

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Speaker 3: Now, what do you think of the two I'm sorry, Mike,

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Speaker 3: You know, Kaylin King I really liked him heading into

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you couldn't find a first round mack heading into

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Speaker 5: King's tape better and so that's you know, that talent

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Speaker 4: But you're right, Jay Dixon, I played him this year.

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Speaker 5: They had him follow Marvin Harrison Junior in that one

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Speaker 5: See the same guy that we saw on tape throughout

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Speaker 5: It's just you can't risk that even if the talent

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Speaker 3: York Giants. Mike, let's go to a couple of other

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Speaker 5: No, I'll say, so tight ends, I'll just throw out.

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Speaker 5: Johnny Wilson is a wide receiver from Florida State. He's

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Speaker 5: or excuse me, tight end like receiving option at tight end.

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Speaker 5: And then the one running back all highlight is Jalen

439
00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,800
Speaker 5: Right from Tennessee. Feel pretty confident saying he's gonna be

440
00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,760
Speaker 5: the highest drafted running back that's in attendance there and

441
00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,120
Speaker 5: mobile just because he's you know, two hundred ten pounds,

442
00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:38,760
Speaker 5: he might run a four to three something like. He

443
00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,320
Speaker 5: is explosive as heck. Visions a concern that Tennessee offense.

444
00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,480
Speaker 5: They're running like two rushing concepts. He's not doing anything

445
00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,239
Speaker 5: you're going to do in the NFL. But that's why,

446
00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,119
Speaker 5: like the Senior Bowl is gonna be a good litmus

447
00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,280
Speaker 5: test firm because you're gonna see him actually running against

448
00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:52,840
Speaker 5: heavy boxes.

449
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Speaker 4: What does that look like?

450
00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,119
Speaker 5: And now they don't tackle, you're not going to get

451
00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,080
Speaker 5: see that aspect of it. But just how does he

452
00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,399
Speaker 5: look compared to these other guys?

453
00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,320
Speaker 4: I think you could end up being a Day two pictures.

454
00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, last year at the Senior Ball, not Michael Wilson,

455
00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 3: the other big Stanford wide receiver. They ended up playing

456
00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,320
Speaker 3: him at tight end over the course of the week

457
00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:10,320
Speaker 3: and his name escapes me.

458
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't remember who.

459
00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,439
Speaker 3: It was, but yeah, he's basically and they turn him

460
00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,320
Speaker 3: into an f move tight end and he eventually got

461
00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:17,800
Speaker 3: drafted that way in the Pro. So I wonder if

462
00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,880
Speaker 3: they are gonna kind of use Johnny Wilson that way

463
00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,919
Speaker 3: as well. Finally, linebacker, Mike, It's a position that I

464
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,280
Speaker 3: think it could be the scarceest position in the NFL.

465
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Speaker 1: Now, nobody has good linebackers.

466
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,720
Speaker 3: All offenses do is attack the middle of the field

467
00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,840
Speaker 3: to put those linebackers in the conflict with play actions

468
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,359
Speaker 3: and RPOs and all this stuff. And they just attack

469
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,399
Speaker 3: linebackers again and again, and the college game isn't producing

470
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Speaker 3: a bunch of linebackers to fill those roles.

471
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Speaker 1: So your thoughts of this year's crop in Mobile.

472
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's actually not bad. This linebacker class I think

473
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,199
Speaker 5: has talent. I don't think it has any guy that

474
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,399
Speaker 5: is gonna go in the first round. I'd be very

475
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 5: surprised if there is. But I think once you see

476
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Speaker 5: Day two, I think you'll see a lot of names

477
00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:59,080
Speaker 5: come off the board.

478
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Speaker 4: The one that I'm the.

479
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Speaker 5: Most excited to watch is Peyton Willison Menci State. I

480
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,359
Speaker 5: am his top linebacker in this class. Now, he may

481
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 5: not get drafted there because it was Torrin's ACL twice.

482
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,240
Speaker 5: He's just located his shoulders twice. His injury history is bad,

483
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,800
Speaker 5: and he's a six year guy because he kept coming

484
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 5: back because he kept getting injured and I kept he

485
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,960
Speaker 5: wanted to edit. He kept having like three straight proven

486
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,120
Speaker 5: seasons where it's like, can you stay healthy and you'll

487
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 5: be an NFL prospect, and it's like, finally he did

488
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 5: this year, so awesome, awesome on tape UH six four

489
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,879
Speaker 5: two thirty nine, Like has the frame to be a

490
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 5: three down, do it all linebacker, So I'm excited to

491
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 5: see what he looks like there. And then the other

492
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Speaker 5: guy that I really want to see is James Williams

493
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:37,959
Speaker 5: from Miami.

494
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Speaker 4: He was a.

495
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,120
Speaker 5: Safety at Miami, but he's six foot five, two hundred

496
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,160
Speaker 5: and fifteen pounds and the physicality is there to play linebacker.

497
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 5: I just want to see what he looks like at linebacker,

498
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,880
Speaker 5: because that's safety he was not. He was not good

499
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,640
Speaker 5: enough in space, could not cover well enough to stick there.

500
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,879
Speaker 5: So officially listed at a linebacker on Sener Bowl. Just

501
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,120
Speaker 5: what's that going to look like for him?

502
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Speaker 3: And you get to fill his frame, will allow him

503
00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 3: to get up to two thirty if he wants, you

504
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 3: know what, in ANFL weight room.

505
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Speaker 1: So I'm with you.

506
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,120
Speaker 3: I think that's one of the more fascinating watches out there,

507
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:05,719
Speaker 3: and I think it's a good way to transition out

508
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 3: of the Shrine Game, Mike, because I think probably the

509
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 3: best player at Trine might be Edrin Cooper, the linebacker

510
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 3: who can do a little bit of everything. He can cover,

511
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 3: he can blitz, he can play the run. I'm excited

512
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 3: to see him down there on.

513
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 5: One hundred percent. He's the guy who had a big

514
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 5: breakout season. He's going to test extremely well. Like if

515
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 5: there's any linebacker that could sneak in in the first round,

516
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 5: he's the name I would suggest because the arrow is

517
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 5: just pointing upwards with him now. Still some like balanced concerns,

518
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 5: but he has that frame that everyone wants, that six

519
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 5: y three long arms, high cut that can just fly

520
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 5: in a straight line. When he wants to get up

521
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 5: to full speed. He can get He can get there

522
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 5: and hurry, so he'll he should stick out like a

523
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 5: sore thumb there in the Shrine Bowl against the comp

524
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 5: dish she's going against.

525
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 1: How many other defensive players do you like down in

526
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 1: Shrine that fan should keep an eye on.

527
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 5: I really want to see Leonard Taylor, the Miami defensive tackle.

528
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 5: I think he could I think could be a top

529
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 5: fifty pick, probably should be a top fifty pick. He's

530
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 5: a third year player, only a junior, and obviously those

531
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Speaker 5: games can you take juniors now this year? But he's

532
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 5: a guy that lined up a lot at nose tackle,

533
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 5: even though he's really more of a three technique. This

534
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 5: guy's a pure penetrator, a guy that can live in

535
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 5: the backfield if you just let him. But he didn't

536
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 5: kind of get that opportunity at Miami. So what's it

537
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 5: going to look like, you know, at Shrine Bowl when

538
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 5: he kind of does get that opportunity in the one

539
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 5: on once where and even in the week of practices,

540
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 5: they don't really care if you just kind of try

541
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 5: to go out and make plays. So I'm excited to

542
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 5: see what he looks like when just kind of given

543
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 5: that freedom.

544
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you.

545
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 3: Offensively, what do you think of the school position group?

546
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 3: Running backs, tight ends, wide receiver, anyone jump back to

547
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 3: you there.

548
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,719
Speaker 5: They actually have my favorite tight end of any of

549
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 5: the either Senior Bowl or the Shrine Bowl. Down Hulker,

550
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 5: the Colorado State tight end. He actually led all of

551
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 5: college football this past year. Oh tight ends, excuse me,

552
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 5: interceptions in receiving yards. Is a guy who he took

553
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 5: Mormon mission midway through his college career. You know, usually

554
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 5: we hear about the guys doing it right at the start,

555
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 5: before they even started college. But he was BYU takes

556
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 5: to your Mission Ghosts Colorado State. So he's six year

557
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 5: guy on the older side, but he's got awesome hands,

558
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 5: he's got rout running ability, he's got real speed. He's

559
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 5: one of the guys that I think could be, you know,

560
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 5: top seventy five pick at tight end when there's just

561
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 5: no after brock Bauers in this class.

562
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 4: There's just not a lot of talent at the position.

563
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: I like the offensive line group at the Shrine Game too. Mike.

564
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 3: You talked about how good it was at the Senior Bowl,

565
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 3: and I think that's trickled down and it's allowed to

566
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 3: have some pretty good players in the Shrine Game too.

567
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Speaker 3: I really like the kid us at a South Dakota State.

568
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 3: You have Mahogany out of Boston College. I think there's

569
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 3: some pretty good offensive linemen here.

570
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 5: I also throw in Jalen Sundel from Northcote State. They

571
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 5: are obviously produced a ton of offensive line talent. Seemingly

572
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 5: every single year they have a guy getting drafted by

573
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 5: the NFL on they're off the line.

574
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 4: But he's a guy who's can.

575
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 5: He's a tackle in North kost State, probably gonna end

576
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 5: up on the interior in the NFL, but a super

577
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 5: high end athlete probably ends up at center in the

578
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 5: NFL because of that, and I think he could be

579
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 5: a starter in time.

580
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

581
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 3: All right, let's get to the quarterbacks here at trying

582
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 3: and then we'll circle back into the quarterback discussion at large.

583
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Speaker 1: Your thoughts of the guys at Shrine. Some names.

584
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: I remember last year we had Dorian Thompson, Rominson and

585
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 3: O'Connell go.

586
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 1: Two years ago you had brock Party.

587
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 3: You know, these quarterbacks have a chance to do something

588
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 3: and if they show enough, they'll have a chance in

589
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 3: the pros.

590
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, this isn't a great quarterback class though at the shot,

591
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 5: I don't now Obviously I would have said that when

592
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 5: brock Perty was coming out too, But I think the

593
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 5: senior bulls got them.

594
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 4: Is where the quarterback sort of debate's gonna happen.

595
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 5: I think Pennix, Nicks, but or Michael Penix Junior from Washington,

596
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 5: Bo Nicks, Morgan and then Michael Pratt from those guys

597
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 5: could be you know, first second, third rounders. All three

598
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 5: of them I think should be in that mix that

599
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,479
Speaker 5: at the Shrine. I mean, the one name that's somewhat

600
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 5: interesting to me is John Reese Plumbley from UCF.

601
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 4: But not to stay at quarterback.

602
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 5: It's just that he was a super awesome athlete between

603
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 5: his time at Ole Miss and UCF. And I think

604
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 5: you know, if you watch him throw, you realize he's

605
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 5: not going to be a quarterback in the NFL. But

606
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 5: could he switch positions to play something else? Because he

607
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 5: was a guy that was always dynamic with the ball

608
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 5: in his hands. I wonder if he kind of does

609
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 5: that there at the Shrine Bowl and moves around a

610
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 5: little bit.

611
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 3: Ye, Austin Read had a lot of production in college,

612
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 3: but you know, this is the the traits aren't great.

613
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 3: And then Devin Leary has the traits, but he just

614
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: doesn't have the consistent production.

615
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 4: Right, it's inaccurate.

616
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I'm with you.

617
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 3: All right, So let's get into the quarterback thing here,

618
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 3: and let's and let's go now back to the senior

619
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 3: ball and then we'll transition to the larger conversation. How

620
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 3: big of a battle is this for quarterback four between

621
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 3: Boenix and Michael Pennix or do you or does JJ

622
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 3: McCarthy still quarterback number four for you?

623
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Speaker 1: How important is this week going.

624
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: To be for those two guys to try to establish

625
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 3: themselves not only as quarterback four but also was back

626
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 3: in first round picks?

627
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 5: Well, I actually have Bo Nicks's quarterback three. I'm a

628
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 5: big fan of his, so I'm ready. I like the

629
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 5: hand of my flag that he's awesome. Now he could

630
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 5: drop the four with this performance this week. It's going

631
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 5: to be huge for him because the offense that he

632
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 5: played at Oregon was not, you know what, what you'd

633
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 5: hopefully want him to play in the NFL. I think

634
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 5: I think status a fifth of his passes were screens

635
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 5: and he was.

636
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: Just getting the ball out so quick, right.

637
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's just like the offense was that and

638
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 5: so you know you call him check down ours if

639
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 5: you want. That was just what he was asked to

640
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 5: do in that offense. So what does it look like

641
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 5: when he's asked to do actually what he's going to

642
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 5: do in the NFL.

643
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Speaker 1: He has the tools to do more. He has the tools.

644
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 5: Because that's why he has you know, we were talking

645
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 5: about him versus Jane Daniels. He has a stronger arm,

646
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 5: throws better on the move probably has a better frame

647
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 5: when you talk about, you know, injury and preventing against that,

648
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 5: whereas Daniels was skinnier. So in that conversation, they're those

649
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 5: guys are tight for me already. But it just is

650
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 5: Kimbo Nicks, you know, operate a downfield passing offense in

651
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 5: the NFL. Can he get past his first read without

652
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 5: you know, wanting to break the pocket? Which is kind

653
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 5: of like he's good at it. He's very high an athlete.

654
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 5: You can do it very well. But that was kind

655
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 5: of his m o at Oregon. So I do think

656
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 5: though there are those I think he's clearly in this

657
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 5: Senior Bowl, he's clear. He's kind of cleared a big

658
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Speaker 5: gap between him and Michael PENNOCKX junior for that spot

659
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Speaker 5: if someone's going to just because penis little inaccurate, the

660
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 5: injury history is a big concern there with him. The

661
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 5: funky throwing motion maybe not necessarily concern, but I do

662
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 5: think leads to some inaccuracies with him on tape. And

663
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 5: it's not it's such a unique motion that there's no

664
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Speaker 5: like minor tweaks that you're doing to it to make

665
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 5: him more accurate, right, it's just kind of you're gonna

666
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Speaker 5: have to live with that is who he is. So

667
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Speaker 5: I think there is a gap Rien, but I think

668
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Speaker 5: Penis if he does have a big week and play

669
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Speaker 5: his way into the first round, just because he's that

670
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Speaker 5: talented and there's so much to like about his games,

671
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Speaker 5: like he doesn't take sacks, doesn't take negative plays, He's

672
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Speaker 5: going to give his guys chances to make place. There's

673
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Speaker 5: a path to him being a franchise type of quarterback.

674
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Speaker 5: But I do think it's not if he does go

675
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Speaker 5: in the first round. He's probably in the back end

676
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Speaker 5: in the twenties somewhere.

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Speaker 3: And you know, based on his personality, his attitude, Spencer

678
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Speaker 3: Rattler is going into this game saying I'm going to

679
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Speaker 3: play better than all these guys, and that dude's gonna

680
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: let him fly in this game.

681
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Speaker 1: Man, he needs to.

682
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Speaker 5: He's so talented, right, like he was supposed to be

683
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Speaker 5: Lincoln Riley the next in line. He had three straight

684
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Speaker 5: Heisman guys, three straight guys who are starting in the NFL.

685
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Speaker 5: Rally comes in big red shirt freshman year, and then

686
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Speaker 5: just the wheels fell off. He got too high in

687
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Speaker 5: his own supply, and that's kind of been his mo

688
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 5: is that he's just not the development between the ears

689
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 5: never really happened. And now I think the best thing

690
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 5: for him is that he's going to have to get

691
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 5: humbled throughout this process. He's not going to be a

692
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Speaker 5: first or second round pick anymore. He's not going to

693
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Speaker 5: go to a spot where he's gifted at starting jobs,

694
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Speaker 5: going to have to sit and learn on the bench.

695
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Speaker 5: But I take that chance to be sitting there in

696
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Speaker 5: the fourth round, right, like, you're so gifted physically, has

697
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Speaker 5: such a and we're not like talking about the accuracy

698
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Speaker 5: being an issue. We're not talking about the arm being

699
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Speaker 5: an issue. We're just talking about like decision making. Can

700
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Speaker 5: you improve that? It's hard to say, but I do

701
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Speaker 5: think that if he goes down there and has a

702
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Speaker 5: big week, like he could sneak into even maybe a

703
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Speaker 5: top hundred selection just because of how you know what

704
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706
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Speaker 3: guys will say, oh, just let me get my hands

707
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Speaker 3: on him to his GM and I'll fix all the

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Speaker 3: issues and just see what he can do when I

709
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Speaker 3: when I have my hands on him for a few weeks.

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Speaker 1: How close Mike for you is Drake May to Caleb Williams?

722
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Speaker 1: Do you I know some people still have May ahead

723
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: of Williams. I don't.

724
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 3: I have a decent amount of space between those two guys.

725
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: And for me, May is closer to quarterback three than

726
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: he is to quarterback one.

727
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Speaker 4: At least for me, it's really I had the beholder.

728
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Speaker 4: What do you want to do?

729
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 5: Offensively? In my opinion, it's do you want to subject

730
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 5: your quarterback to hits in the running games? Some of us,

731
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 5: He's just don't. They don't want to do that for

732
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 5: whatever reason. I think it's one of the most valuable

733
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 5: things you can do with quarterback position today's NFL, and so, like.

734
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Speaker 4: I think it's something that if you're not doing you're

735
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 4: missing out.

736
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Speaker 3: Hey, if you watch the Bills and the Ravens in

737
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Speaker 3: the playoffs last week, tell me about how valuable running

738
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Speaker 3: quarterbacks are.

739
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Speaker 1: Those guys carry those two two with their legs.

740
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Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's it's it helps you want to use

741
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 5: that right, Like, so if you're going to really tap

742
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 5: into that with kle Williams, you're taking kalaboy. So he's

743
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 5: got unbelievable probably the single best combination I've ever seen

744
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 5: in terms of arm, talent, accuracy and mobility.

745
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Speaker 4: There's just there's no one in the ballpark of him.

746
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: And about his accuracy enough him. Have you brought that up?

747
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 3: He's the most accurate quarterback in the class. Yeah, he

748
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 3: puts the ball whatever he wants. It's ridiculous.

749
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 5: Yes, It's like if Josh Allen, could you know, came

750
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 5: out of Wyoming and was the accuracy he is. Now,

751
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 5: that's like the kind of guy we're talking about with.

752
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 5: But now he just have Josh Allen's frame. But that's

753
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 5: the level of tools his arm is unbelievable. I mean,

754
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 5: he put one on tape this year. Gosh, who is

755
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 5: it against that went about sixty eight yards through the air.

756
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 5: That was just I mean, he has a cannon for

757
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 5: an arm. So there's concerns on tape sure out of

758
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 5: it this year I think was overblown because it was

759
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 5: the USC offense was a joke in terms of how

760
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 5: they schemed up things like it would be one one

761
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 5: one option in passing concepts and then it's like, hey, Caleb,

762
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 5: you're on your own. And so that looks bad because

763
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 5: he's there panic in the pocket, but that was the design.

764
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 5: The design was if it doesn't work out this one,

765
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 5: you are on your own, you have to panic in

766
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 5: the pocket and find a way out. So yeah, I

767
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 5: just think that the floor for him is so high

768
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 5: because of that. If even if it is just him

769
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 5: creating out a structure consistently, he's going to do it.

770
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 5: He's that good at it. So and then Drake May

771
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Speaker 5: I just think he's probably safer as a pure pocket passer. Again,

772
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Speaker 5: if you're not going to use the rush quarterback as

773
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 5: running through at your offense, he can be a plus

774
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 5: scrambler on his own in his own right, and then

775
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 5: just you feel really good about his projection in the

776
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Speaker 5: NFL because he does NFL things every single week at

777
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 5: a really high level. And now there's you know, some

778
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 5: negatives to point to in terms of, you know, pocket

779
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 5: moving into sacks, putting the ball in harm's way.

780
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 4: Probably little bit more than.

781
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 5: You'd like to see from a top prospect, but the

782
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 5: tools are the tools are high enough that he could

783
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 5: be the best quarterback in the NFL someday too. Like

784
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 5: he has a big arm, he moves really really well.

785
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 5: He's such a natural thrower of the football that it

786
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 5: just comes out easy. The game just looks easy for

787
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 5: him when he plays. So I've been just been saying,

788
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 5: I don't think you go wrong, but just draft the

789
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 5: guy that fits what you want to do offensively. Yeah.

790
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Speaker 3: The one thing about Drake May that sticks out to

791
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Speaker 3: me too is that because of the weapons or lock

792
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: there or he had a North Carolina Mike, he had

793
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 3: to make throws into the middle of the field, which

794
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: is what you have to do in the NFL, right

795
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: in traffic, into small areas where if you watch Jaye

796
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: and Daniels stay But again, I'm a Jaana Daniels fan.

797
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: I think he should be a top ten pick. This

798
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 3: has not me taking a shot at Jaden Daniels.

799
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Speaker 1: He did not have to throw high traffic balls in

800
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Speaker 1: the middle of the field.

801
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Speaker 3: You know, you can count on two hands how many

802
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: you know between the hash marks in traffic throws he

803
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 3: had to make.

804
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: All yeah, but he didn't have to. It's not his fault.

805
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: But Drake May's making those types of NFL throws every week.

806
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: You go to his Georgia Tech tape, My gosh, he

807
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: makes these four or five throws into the middle of

808
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: the field where you're like, wow, that's exactly what he's

809
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 3: going to have to do against high level NFL defenses.

810
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was playing the game just in much harder

811
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 5: mode than Jay Daniels was like, that's for sure. But

812
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 5: not to take it and not take anything away from

813
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 5: Jane Daniels. But if Jane Daniels didn't have the rushing

814
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 5: threat that he did, if he wasn't like a low

815
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 5: four fourst guy and wasn't that dynamic, it was just

816
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 5: a guy that had to win, you know, could scramble

817
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 5: maybe a little, but had to win for the pocket.

818
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Speaker 5: I don't think he'd be a first rounder necessarily just

819
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 5: based off what he put on tape as a passer

820
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 5: because of what you said there. But that rushing threat

821
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 5: just really pushes anyone over the top because it gives

822
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 5: you easier throws. It's just a fact of life when

823
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 5: you have to respect that. Linebackers have to play differently,

824
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 5: they have to rush the passer differently. It's just it

825
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 5: just is what it is. So but yeah, Drake made

826
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Speaker 5: as a passer. He's the best passer in this draft

827
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Speaker 5: us absolutely.

828
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Speaker 4: All right.

829
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Speaker 3: Now, let's getting the Giants territory here, Mike, and I

830
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 3: think when you look at the top of the wide

831
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Speaker 3: receiver class, I'm assuming you have Merworth Everson standing alone

832
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Speaker 3: as number one.

833
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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, how do you then parse number two? Here?

834
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Speaker 3: Neighbors Dunezia are the two guys from me. I like

835
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 3: Neighbors a little bit better just because of his explosiveness.

836
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: I do think he's he gets open, but his route

837
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: running I think is a little bit sloppy, is not

838
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: as precise as he wanted to be. But boy, he

839
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: has the separation skills and change in direction to clean

840
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 3: that up real fast.

841
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: But I like Neighbors a little bit more than a

842
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: Dunezia how do you.

843
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: Kind of track out that number two wide receiver spot

844
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Speaker 3: or do you have a guy like Keon Coleman even

845
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 3: in that mix.

846
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's pretty clearly in my opinion, Neighbors

847
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 5: is number two, and I I would just just because

848
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 5: of what the high end for him looks like in

849
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 5: that To me, he reminds me of just athletically how

850
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 5: he moves. He moves like Jalen Wattle, and he's twenty

851
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 5: pounds heavier and he's two inches taller. You know, like

852
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 5: that's just like a caliber of athlete we're talking about,

853
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 5: is that no one can stick with that guy, you know,

854
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 5: one on one, no one's being.

855
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 4: Gonna be able to So while you know Donza may fit.

856
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 5: More your prototypical number one X wide receiver with the

857
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 5: size how he can play on the outside, I don't

858
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 5: think it matters because Neighbors just has gear and you know,

859
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 5: it's like it's like comparing Tyreek Hill to it, like

860
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 5: Calvin Johnson. Yeah, obviously you'd go more than the Calvin

861
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 5: Johnson protype. Tyreek Kill every single like, every single offense

862
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 5: he's gone to has been a lead offense because he's

863
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 5: such a game changer. That's how I see neighbors is

864
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 5: that maybe you're not running him on the outside every

865
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 5: single time, maybe that he's not that type of guy,

866
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 5: but he's such a game changer that if you're moving

867
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 5: them around, throwing them screens, giving them handoffs, that sort

868
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 5: of thing, defense is just gonna have their head spinning.

869
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 5: So yeah, neighbors pretty clearly. Number two. I know people

870
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Speaker 5: who even have him number one at wide receiver that

871
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 5: I respect their opinions on just because of that, Like

872
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 5: he's just unbelievable that what he can do physically. But

873
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 5: Dunzey's also a top ten pick. You know, he's also

874
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 5: a guy who's top ten pick. That's how just good

875
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 5: this wide receiver classes.

876
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: What do you like about a Donday's game the most?

877
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 5: I think it's his ball skills, And now you know,

878
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 5: ball skills kind of catch off for a lot of

879
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 5: different things about receiver position, but it's the way he

880
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 5: can track the ball in the air while like understanding

881
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 5: where the dB is too, So like when you throw

882
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 5: him jump balls or just like balls where maybe he's

883
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 5: not necessarily open down the football field, he's getting to

884
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 5: the football every single time. You don't have to worry

885
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 5: about him getting you know, out muscle at the catchpoint,

886
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 5: you don't have to worry about anything like he.

887
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 4: Just gets there.

888
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 5: And now you know, as a pure athlete, he's below

889
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison Junior and neighbors, but he's damn good.

890
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: Does separate. He's not just to contested catch.

891
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 5: Guy exactly like he can win on his own consistently.

892
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 5: So there's really just when you say, what's there like about,

893
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 5: there's just not much to dislike is the I think

894
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 5: the bigger thing with it. Didn't say it's like, point

895
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 5: to me something that he doesn't do well. There's really nothing.

896
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 3: And that's why he separates from Keon Coleman a little bit.

897
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 3: To me, I have a lot more confidence in a

898
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: Dunezia to separate than Coleman. And you know you talked

899
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 3: about I think being a good downfield target, Mike, and

900
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: I've learned this as I've done this more and more.

901
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: It's the combination of ball tracking and body control.

902
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 4: Right.

903
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: It's locating the ball and then being able to make

904
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 3: simple movements without losing your balance and falling down to

905
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 3: get to the ball and make the catch. Keon Coleman

906
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: does that really well too. But he just doesn't. I

907
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: don't think when we get to the combine, he's not

908
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 3: gonna have the athletic profile that a Dunezia has.

909
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 4: Hundred.

910
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, both big body, wide receivers, but

911
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 5: i'd put you know, we're just doing kind of come somewhat.

912
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 5: NFL comps don't say it's more like a DeVante Adams,

913
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 5: whereas uh Coleman's more like a Drake.

914
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: London or like Higgins type, right, something like that.

915
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 4: They're good wide receivers.

916
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 5: Ones, just you'd rather, you know, one you can really

917
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 5: run your entire offense through the other ones just you know,

918
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 5: probably you're you're happy with it, but you're not. The

919
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 5: high end probably isn't necessarily there. And I've cod I

920
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 5: think a role like what Michael Thomas ran in New

921
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 5: Orleans is your best key on Coleman role is that

922
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 5: he can win those underneath third down, run them on

923
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 5: slant every single time. I you know, you can put

924
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 5: that in the bank with him. He's that good his

925
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 5: ball skills, he doesn't drop balls. Anything outside his frame

926
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 5: is still going to hold in. But it's just you know,

927
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 5: is he going to bring those explosive plays to the table,

928
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 5: probably not nearly as much as Rummo.

929
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: Don't say, well, who is your favorite receiver outside of

930
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 3: that top three, not even maybe highest on your ranking,

931
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: but guy that you just kind of like to watch

932
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: the most and you think it is gonna have a

933
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 3: real nice pro career.

934
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 5: I really like ad Ni Mitchell in terms of guys

935
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 5: who I think can hit a high end ceiling in

936
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 5: what they bring the table. Six ' four, it's the

937
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 5: text sweatsh you're six four one ninety six, and just

938
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 5: he has some reps.

939
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 4: It's just like, man, that's special.

940
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 3: Like he runs like a sick foot one to eighty

941
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: five guy, which is yes, crazy.

942
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 5: Just like the bounce he has out of his cuts,

943
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, where where did that come from? He

944
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 5: looks like he should be, you know, he looks like

945
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 5: an NBA like high end college basketball sort of athlete.

946
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 5: And how he maneuvers, and it's the body control. He

947
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 5: needs to get better as a rout runner. And it's

948
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 5: not like it's not like a Quentin Johnston needs to

949
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 5: get better as a route runner. It's more just like

950
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 5: he's sloppy. He just just lazy. He can't do it.

951
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 5: He just doesn't do it. Every single time. He probably

952
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 5: needs to get a little bit stronger. You know, six

953
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 5: foot four, one ninety six is pretty slim, so there's

954
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 5: like things to improve on that. If he does just

955
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 5: the talent, there is top ten sort talent, it's just it's.

956
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 4: Almost like Roman Dunse last year.

957
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 5: Roman Dunday last year was kind of in the same

958
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 5: boat that ad Ni Mitchell was, where it's like fringe

959
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 5: first rounder Romanduza comes back, he's top ten picked, and

960
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 5: Mitchell came back cleaned up. Those things got more consistent.

961
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 5: I think he could have been a top ten pick,

962
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 5: but probably ends up somewhere in the twenty to fifty range.

963
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: Now at this point, I'm a big Tony Franklin guy too.

964
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 3: His size and his speed down the field, and I

965
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: think he changes direction really well too. He's not this

966
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: real leggy guy that that isn't gimill to come in

967
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: out of breaks. Once he I think becomes more of

968
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 3: a technician in his round running Mike. He's another guy

969
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: that I think in any other draft year would probably

970
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 3: be an end the first round pick. Maybe he'll sneak

971
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 3: in this year too, if the Chiefs like him in

972
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 3: that kind of Tyreek Hill role. I don't know, but

973
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 3: that that's a guy to me too that just has

974
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 3: really high end traits that could become really special if

975
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: he finds his way to the right spot.

976
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's another guy who you almost wish would

977
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 5: have came back years. He's so skinny right now, you know,

978
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 5: yeah pounds and so like he comes back year gets stronger.

979
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 5: Just like what's he going to look like if he

980
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 5: can get up to two hundred pounds because he's so

981
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 5: in like at that size, he can still you know,

982
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 5: break tackles. He's still shifty enough that for a taller

983
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 5: wide receiver, unique combination. It's just when he loses, it's

984
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 5: because he can get bodied by corners and that's you know,

985
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 5: always worrisome because in the NFL, they get stronger, they're faster,

986
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 5: or they're bigger.

987
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 4: They bought you more. And so that's the only word

988
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 4: with him.

989
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 5: But as far as like deep threats in this classico

990
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 5: him Brian Thomas Jr.

991
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 4: From LSU.

992
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 5: Those guys are gonna those are those are number two

993
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 5: pieces that you're gonna love in your offense because of

994
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 5: how much that speed has to be respected.

995
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: And then different body type Xavier worthies in that group too,

996
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: obviously with his ability to get down the field. All right,

997
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: final final topic here, Mike, before we say goodbye, we

998
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: appreciate all the time offensive line top of the class,

999
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: and we'll have a chance to talk more to you

1000
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 3: at the combine about some of these guys, Joalt and Fashin.

1001
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: Now.

1002
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: I watched fashon Who's first few games this year. I

1003
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 3: watched all his tape last year. I have not done

1004
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 3: like this last couple of months of the year yet.

1005
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people have said that his

1006
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 3: play deteriorated a little bit. He was on the ground

1007
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: too much. I have trouble moving him out of my

1008
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 3: number one offensive tackle spot just because of the way

1009
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 3: he moves in his past protection ability. But I know

1010
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 3: some people have kind of leap frog Joalt above him,

1011
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 3: and I love Joalt.

1012
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: I know you do too. Your you're a Notre Dame guy.

1013
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: He was fantastic this year.

1014
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: So how do you kind of sort out those top

1015
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 3: two offensive tackles and how do you compare them to

1016
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 3: the prior classes as well?

1017
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 4: To me, they're you know, they're right up there neck

1018
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 4: and neck with.

1019
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 5: Twenty twenty one when you had petty soul Rayshawn Slater.

1020
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 5: To me, it's like that, it's like you're not going

1021
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 5: to go wrong.

1022
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 4: They're both good.

1023
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 5: Do you want a guy who I think is probably

1024
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 5: a little more consistent Joe Wall and you know what,

1025
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 5: you're getting more of a safe pick and that I

1026
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 5: don't think there's just a many weaknesses just when you

1027
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 5: don't lose as much as he didn't lose in college

1028
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 5: as a true junior. It's hard to see him losing

1029
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 5: in the NFL or Shina lost a little more. But

1030
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 5: it's just so special from a coordination, foot quicks, you know,

1031
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 5: body type, like it's all he's all lower half. He

1032
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 5: can anchor really well when he wants to. So there's

1033
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 5: just it's it's kind of it's what I was talking

1034
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 5: about with Drake Ay and Kal Wimbs, like what do

1035
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 5: you want? What do you prioritize more? I have all

1036
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 5: as ot one just because of bad aspect And I

1037
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 5: don't think you necessarily, you know, highest end traits that

1038
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 5: the office ac position doesn't necessarily trade the highest sense

1039
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 5: performance all the time. I think he could very well

1040
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 5: be like a Andrew Whitworth type of office tackle where

1041
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 5: it's you know, it doesn't maybe look the most impressive,

1042
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 5: but he gets the job done every single time. So

1043
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 5: that's that's what I see Joe Allt being. And when

1044
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 5: that's the case, you just you. When you're when a

1045
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 5: guy could reach the highest of highs and has a

1046
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 5: high floor. To me, you just take the take the

1047
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 5: easy w if your draft in the top ten, because

1048
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 5: there's not a lot of z ws out there in

1049
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 5: the draft.

1050
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: That's another episode of The Giants Little Podcast, brought to

1051
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 3: you by Citizens, the official Bank of the Giants. Mike,

1052
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 3: this is fun, man. Look forward to seeing you Dan

1053
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: a mobile and at the Combine.

1054
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: We'll talk again soon for sure, John, thanks for having

1055
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: me on.

1056
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: Mandy Mike Reynard check out his stuff at the Messenger

1057
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 3: for Mike Gren around.

1058
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Speaker 1: John Schmulk'll see you next time in the Johns Little

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