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Thank you, zip recruiter. Crime Stories 25 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty 26 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: two number one. There emergency And I was comming because 27 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: my daughter came to this party here last night. I 28 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: gathering with a frand now her friends. They said, to 29 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: the left on the front of the hotel, and she's 30 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: not able to be found. Now give a couple of hours. 31 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: You know she could have won, you know, she could 32 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: once more. With one of her other friends. The mom 33 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: went to the front desk, asking will you please look 34 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: at the videos from the very beginning, and got nothing 35 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: but resistance from the Crown Plaza Hotel. The inference today 36 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: that had Kannika and how or the security cameras jack 37 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: sooner she might be alive. They never looked for they 38 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: never did anything while a young nineteen year old disoriented 39 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: girl was sitting in their freezer. We beg if I happen, 40 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: No one happens. Uh subjects in the kitchen and a freezers. 41 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: A beautiful young girl dead trapped in a freezer? How 42 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: did that happen? Right now? Many theories swirling as the 43 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: investigation goes on into the death of a beautiful young girl, 44 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: Kanneka Jenkins. I mean, I see grace. This is crime Stories. 45 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. With me special guest 46 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: Larry Rogers, junior lawyer for the family of Kannika Jenkins, 47 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: a well known a veteran trial lawyer. Also with me 48 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum, crime scene analyst and the director of the 49 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: Cold Case Institute. Questions swirling around the death of this 50 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: young girl, Kaneka Jenkins found debt in highly questionable circumstances. 51 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: Out to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Jacqueline Gray, Jacqueline, 52 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: tell me what you know about this case. Kannica left 53 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: out of her house late on September eight to go 54 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: to the Crown Plaza hotel in Rosemont, Illinois, and by 55 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: about three am the next day, her friends alerted her 56 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: mother that they couldn't find her. So her mother went 57 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: to the hotel searching for her daughter, and over the 58 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: course of what twelve hours, they end up finding her body. 59 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: In a freezer in an area that was under construction. 60 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: From what I recall, Larry Rogers, when she was found 61 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: dead from hypothermia inside an industrial type refrigerator there in 62 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: the bottom of pretty high end hotel. Her pants were 63 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: pulled down around her hips, her shirt was pulled up 64 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: around her bra her her jeans were filthy as if 65 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: she had been dragged along the ground. There were abrasions 66 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: to her knee area, her legs, her face. There is 67 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: no way this is accidental. And what's interesting, Larry Rogers, 68 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: is the night before she had been all dressed up 69 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: to go to a fancy party there in the hotel. 70 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: There's no way this girl, who took so much care 71 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: getting all dressed up with all her little friends, went 72 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: anywhere covered in dirt. That's not how it went down, Larry. 73 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning. What happened? You know, That's 74 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: exactly what her mother, Uh the question she raised when 75 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: she contacted me. She wanted me to help her figure 76 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: out what happened to Kanika, her daughter. Uh. This is 77 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: this is one of the worst tragedies I've seen, um 78 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: and it's quite frankly, as you indicated, shocking that this 79 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: young lady was found in the condition she was found 80 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: where she was found. Her shirt had been pulled up 81 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: with her breast exposed, her pants were slightly pulled down 82 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: below her waistline, her her shoe, one of her shoes, 83 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: was off, and she was her clothing was dirty. And 84 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: as you indicated, she had gone out for a night 85 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: of fun with some friends. Uh and and then she 86 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: ends up in this remote area of the hotel, in 87 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: an unused kitchen, in a freezer that, for I'm explained 88 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: unexplained reason, was on a freezer that was not being used. 89 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: It had nothing in it, but it was on in 90 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: a in an abandoned portion of the kitchen. So there 91 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: are a lot of questions that need to be answered, 92 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: and we've committed to the mind and we'll get to 93 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: the bottom of it. Joining me Cheryl McCullum, crime scene 94 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: analysts and expert renowned in her field, now the director 95 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute. Cheryl, thanks for 96 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: being with us along with Larry Rogers, junior trial lawyer 97 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: representing Knnika's family. Let's take it from the beginning. You know, 98 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: I met with her mother, Cheryl, along with Larry when 99 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: we were all at Dr Oz and her mom just 100 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: broke my heart because I got the feeling that she 101 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: felt if she yelled or cursed or through some kind 102 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: of a fit trying to find her daughter should be mistreated. 103 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: And you know what, she was right because os they 104 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: go to the hotel. What was the hotel, Larry, the Crown, 105 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: Crown Plausa. That's right, Clouds Crown in Rosema, Chicago, really 106 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: high end. The Crown hotels are pretty nice. So she 107 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: was there, Cheryl with all her little girl friends, all 108 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: dressed up and cute, and you know how teen girls are, 109 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: and um, so she goes then this is what the mom. 110 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: I heard the mom say that she gets to call 111 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: at four o'clock in the morning and Kanick a little 112 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: friends say, we can't find Kanka, And the mom is 113 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: like what because they were all three together. So she 114 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: immediately dials her daughter her teen girls phone, and one 115 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: of the three friends picking up go, we've got her 116 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: cell phone too, So the mom they come get the mom. 117 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: The mom comes over there, they totally blow the mom off. 118 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: They asked to see the security video, which got a 119 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: huge security bank a video Cheryl. They won't let them 120 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: look at the video. And they won't start searching the hotel. 121 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: They say, basically, oh, she's at with friends. Now, this 122 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: child has been described as drunk. She was not drunk. 123 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: She was not repeat, not drunk or high on drugs. 124 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: That's not true. So they look and they look and 125 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: they look Cheryl like, I forgot how many eighteen twenty 126 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: four hours later, the police finally, somebody finally finds her 127 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: dead in a freezer. You know, she could have been saved, 128 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: you know that, right if they had just looked at 129 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: the crime at the video surveillance is shows her and 130 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: it shows where she was going to, like a construction 131 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: type unused area that completely abandoned. I don't know how 132 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: she got down there because that Crown hotels like a maze. 133 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: So what do you make of it? Now that I've 134 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: given you the setup, Nancy Cook a little bit of 135 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: time to really go over these calm seen photographs. And 136 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: these are the things that jumped out at me as 137 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: four main things. One the shoe that's off, the shoe 138 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: that is off of her body, the right shoe you 139 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: can see blood on her foot, so that shoe was 140 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: not taken off because her body started to heat up. 141 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: She removed that shoe because she was injured. You can 142 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: see the blood plain is day. The other thing that 143 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: bothers me about her shoes is their brand new. They 144 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: are clean, they are white. I mean, she was excited 145 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: about putting on this outfit. But there's some scuff marks 146 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: on the shoe that they're gonna have to explain to me. 147 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: And specifically they are scuff marks up near the ankles 148 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: on the inside that to me could very possibly be 149 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: indicative of somebody being drugs um. The other problem that 150 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: I'm having is the pocket of her pants has turned 151 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: inside out, like somebody went into her pocket. She wouldn't 152 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: have done that. She would have corrected her pocket immediately 153 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: if she had gone to look for a key or 154 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: something like that. U And then the other thing that's 155 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: very telling to me if you watch the video where 156 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: she's walking in the kitchen area toward what looks like 157 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 1: would be where the freezer is, even though it's a 158 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: video of that, for some reason, her hair is straight. 159 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: If you look at the crime scene photograph, her hair 160 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: is now curly. Now, hold on, hold on to Larry Rogers, 161 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: junior lawyer for Kannika Jenkins family. Do you remember what 162 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: the mom told us Larry. She said that she went 163 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: to go and she wanted to see the crime scene, 164 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: and they went and't let her. Then she said she 165 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: saw the body and she just looked at She said 166 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: Kanika's hair was a mess and she would never have 167 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: done that. Uh. Yes, this this is a beautiful young girl. 168 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: She by all accounts, she was just having a night 169 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: out with some friends. She was not a bad girl. 170 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: She was working. She was a great young ay. Her 171 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: mom had a great relationship with her. And a testament 172 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: to that is the fact that when her friends told 173 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: her they were missing, no one for one moment that 174 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: she ever left that hotel. Her friends now, she had 175 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: to be somewhere in the hotel. When her mom, Teresa 176 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: came out within hours, she went straight to the front 177 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: desk and said she would never have left. She's here 178 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: in this hotel and they would not take a moment, 179 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: just a moment to take a look at the video 180 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: surveillance cameras and that would have saved this young lady's life. 181 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: Investigative reporter her crime Online Jacqueline Great Jacqueline, what jumps 182 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: out at you about what went wrong that night? A 183 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: few things jump out and most of the things that 184 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: jump out is after Teresa Martina's mother went to the 185 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: hotel looking for help, the hotel staff wouldn't look at 186 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: the footage until much hours later. She was also threatened 187 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: with the rest. She called the dispatcher and they told 188 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: her to just take it easy, you know, go home. Um, 189 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: she'll probably turn up. And that's not, in my opinion, 190 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: not the appropriate response to a mother who knows her 191 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: child's missing. And she was right, you know, her child 192 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 1: end up dying. Meanwhile, she was trying to find her 193 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: and she was getting no help from police or from 194 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: the hotel staff. And that's you know, one thing that 195 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: pops out to me right now. It would have saved 196 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: her life. It absolutely would have saved her life. Cheryl McCollum, 197 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: maybe there's no question about it, But I want to 198 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: get back to the importance of her hair for a minute. 199 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 1: When ever I was on your show, sometimes y'all was 200 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: occasionally straightened my hair. Well, I've got an actually curly hair. 201 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: The minute there was any humidity, any moisture, my hair 202 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: would revert back to being curly. That means her hair 203 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: was either wet or she was sweaty. Something happened to 204 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: make her hair go back curly, Nancy. That is not 205 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: somebody that went into a free there, passed out and 206 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: froze to death. That's not what happened here. And you 207 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: don't have to look any further than her hair to 208 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: know that. And something else that needs to happen. Um, 209 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: unless they already know, because I haven't seen the photograph, 210 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't appear that there's scuff marks on the inside 211 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: of that door where she would have been kicking it 212 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: trying to get out. I don't see any marks like that. 213 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: Her fingernails are feel intact. There's there's so many questions 214 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: surrounding this case. For me, Nancy, it is horrifying. Newly 215 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 1: released surveillance video shows Kanika stumbling in the hallway, she 216 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: got lost within the hotel, and then we later discover 217 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: apparently someone had slipped a very dangerous drug. Chryl McCollum 218 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: is called to a pyramid and it is an anti 219 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: seizure drug. It is also a pain drug and um 220 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: it can make you very very disoriented. This little girl 221 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 1: had never in her life been caught with drugs, been alcohol, 222 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: nothing like that in her life. This was a good student. 223 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: Her mother depended on her. She had a job the works. 224 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: Very actually, I don't want to say a loner because 225 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: that has a bad connotation. She reminds me a lot 226 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: of my little girl, Lucy. She's very, very shy, you know, Cheryl. 227 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: Any night I say, hey, do you guys want to 228 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: go out to dinner? And John David is all like, yeah, Mom, 229 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: let's go for tacos and then we'll go to frozen yoga. 230 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: And Lucy's like, I just want to go home. You 231 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: know what, No matter how are you trying to tempt 232 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: them that she always wants to come home. That she 233 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: really was a sweet girl. Yeah, her mom convinced me, 234 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: and the sister that I talked to also she was 235 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: a real homebody. And I just don't see it. Cheryl, 236 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: I don't see it at all. I don't see it either, 237 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: nath You know, I'll tell you something else that really 238 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: confirms me. As you know, I've got two teenagers now, 239 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: and to get them away and separate them from the 240 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: cell phone takes they act the Congress practically. The fact 241 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: that she was somehow separated from her cell phone confirms 242 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: me greatly. She would not have done that, and that 243 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: means she had no way to call for help. Cheryl 244 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: I left something out to Larry Rogers Jr. Uh renewed lawyer. 245 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: There's representing Kannika Jenkins family. So the mom comes to 246 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: the hotel. They won't let her look at the security video. 247 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: They won't look at the security video. Finally, some of 248 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: the kids that were at the party, they have cell 249 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: phone pictures of Kanika before that night, and they start 250 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: going from door to door begging people, have you seen her? 251 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: Have you seen her? Do you know what they do? 252 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: They throw the family out, They kick them out and 253 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: call police. All the family, hello is the right? Did 254 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,359 Speaker 1: not take their Their pleas, for their pleas for assistance 255 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: and for help, even just looking at the cameras were ignored, 256 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: and they got desperate. They were looking for her. They 257 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: knew that she was not the type of young lady 258 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: they would have left the hotel. They knocked on doors, 259 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: someone even pulled a fire alarm, and the only wait, wait, wait, 260 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: tell us that part, tell us that part. They were 261 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: so desperate to find her, and nobody was helping them. 262 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: Tell them. What tell Sheryl? What happened? Larry Rodgers, one 263 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: of the one of the young people pulled the fire 264 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: alarm because they felt she was somewhere in the hotel. 265 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: They didn't know if she was in the room and 266 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: someone had abducted her exactly what had happened. And that's 267 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: the only thing that really prompted the beginnings of an 268 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: investigation by by the Roseman Police Department. They finally came 269 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: out and said, what's really going on here? And that's 270 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: really what prompted. So a lot of credit has to 271 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: be given to this family and to these young people 272 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: knowing Kinika and knowing that she might have left that hotel. 273 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: If they're pleased, had only been heard by the hotel staff, 274 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: this young lady would be alive today. Well, I'm telling 275 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: you it's a it's a sorry day. It is a 276 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: sad day, Cheryl, when you you can't get any help 277 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: and you have to pull the darn fire alarm to 278 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: get someone to pay attention to you trying to say 279 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: your daughter is missing and she's somewhere in this hotel, 280 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: can you help me find her? They had to pull 281 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: the fire alarm. Now listen to this timeline and correct 282 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, Larry Rogers, because you know the 283 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: timeline better than me. This team girl was seen leaving 284 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: the elevator alone, which she had not left alone. She 285 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: was with the little girlfriends to start with. At three 286 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: twenty a m. Somebody somewhere had slipped her topiramate, okay, 287 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: which is not a street drug, all right, Nobody in 288 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 1: her family has ever had topiramide. It's a seizure medication. 289 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: And she is just struggling to even keep her balance, 290 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: and you see her. I don't know where the security 291 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: guards were at the Crown Plaza Hotel, but they sure. 292 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: We're not looking at the security bank because she can 293 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: hardly walk. She's falling into the walls, and this is 294 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: not from being drunk. She then espotted somehow down in 295 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: this maze of a kitchen there beneath the Crown Plaza Hotel, 296 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: and she gets somehow, somehow to completely abandoned area that 297 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: has not been locked off from for people to come into. 298 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: Then there's no camera that shows how she got put 299 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: into that freezer, but we know somewhere something went wrong. 300 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: Her hair is a mess, there's blood on her foot, 301 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: her pants are pulled down, her shirt is pulled up. 302 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: Everything is askew. There's no scuff marks, nothing to show 303 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: she tried to get out I don't quite understand it, 304 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,959 Speaker 1: but the whole thing was she did a three twenty 305 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: a m or should have been spotted on the security video. 306 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: That's what it shows now that we've gotten a chance 307 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: to look at it. Do you know when they finally 308 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: told police they were on the phone with a mom 309 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: at four am, we can't find Kanika one pm. Then 310 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: that day that almost twelve hours passed. Actually it was 311 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: more like twenty one hours. It was the next morning 312 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: that they finally looked Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was 313 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: by the time they found her. She goes missing at 314 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: three twenty am. It was after one am she's found dead. 315 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: All that time, Cheryl, the parents, the mom was begging 316 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: for help, couldn't get anybody to listen. Let me pause 317 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: right now in our search for justice in this case 318 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: and thank our partner who is making our investigation possible. 319 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: Today on Area six in two, it's legal Zoom. 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Legal 340 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: Zoom thank you for making our investigation into the death 341 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: of Kannika Jenkins possible today with me as a veteran 342 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: trial lawyer, Larry Rogers Jr. And Director of the Cold 343 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: Case Institute, Cheryl McCollum, Jacqueline Gray, Crime Online investigative reporter, 344 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: What more can you tell me? My whole I was 345 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: having while I was writing about this and reading about 346 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: it was there was why was she down there? You 347 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: know that it was an under construction area. They had 348 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: cam us everywhere but the freezer, which I would feel 349 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: like that would be lucky, huge liability of freezer, you know, 350 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: heavy freezer. It's not being supervised. That whole part I 351 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: feel like hasn't been acknowledged by the hotel. It seems 352 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: like right now they're doing a lot of damage control, 353 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: but they're not really giving still giving us enough information 354 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: to work with to get a timeline out of the 355 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: forty six or so cameras that they had surveillance cameras 356 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: that they had there on the premises, there are two 357 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: significant ones that would have captured her path towards this kitchen, 358 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: and for some and strange reason, they're claiming those were 359 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: not working. Just a lot of unexplained um issues here 360 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: with this case, and we want to get to the 361 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: bottom of them. Nathan, I got to jump in here 362 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: as a Crown State investigator. I'll pull a video from 363 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: hotels all the time. All you have to do is 364 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: type in the date and the time it is all digital. 365 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: It would have shown them immediately. It would not have 366 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: taken ten minutes Nancy to see her path and to 367 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: follow it. And Carl, Cheryl, Larry, I know I told you. 368 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: Larry knows this story, Cheryl. Did I ever tell you? 369 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: When I was in Arizona, and of course I knew 370 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: I'd be gone over two nights, so I took the 371 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: children with me. They at that time where I guess five. 372 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: It was during the Jodi Arias trial, and we were 373 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: staying in this high rise hotel and we were on 374 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: the waiting for the elevator, and it was a big 375 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: bank of elevators, like ten elevators, five on each side, 376 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: and we were waiting and one open at the far end, 377 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: and I said, that's not the one going the right way, guys, honey. 378 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: Lucy at the last second jumped on the elevator and 379 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: it closed. I dove for it. I dove head first 380 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: for it, Cheryl, I tried. I dove into the elevator 381 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: and it closed, just like in the movies. Cheryl, do 382 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: you hear what I'm saying? There was me and John 383 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: David and I and Lucy lost on an elevator and 384 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 1: it was one of those fancy elevators. I couldn't tell 385 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: what floor she got off at anything. I Oh, dear 386 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: Lord in heaven. I immediately went to the lobby, screaming 387 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: my head off. Left. John David with security, told them 388 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: what was happening, and I started going up floor to Florida, 389 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: Florida floor, screaming off the elevators. I was can you 390 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: imagine if some creepy, pervy tude got Lucy at four 391 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: or five years old, and the little thing thought she 392 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: was on our floor where we were staying, and was 393 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: trying to find it. Well, I went every floor, I 394 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: couldn't find her. I was dialing nine on one, I 395 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: was on the elevator and it wouldn't go through. I 396 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: got off the elevator, hit sin for nine on one 397 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: and turned to my left and there was a security 398 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: with Lucy, A lady with Lucy and John David. A 399 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: lady had found her like three floors down, wandering the 400 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: hall alone. Cheryl a to where she was going and 401 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: took her down to the lobby. What I experienced and 402 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: that twenty minutes I never want to think about again. 403 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: And that's what this mom has been living through ever 404 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: since this happened, Cheryl, inexcusable and according to the Lauren 405 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: lawyer with me right now, Larry Roger says, the hotel 406 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: quote never checked, they never searched, they never did anything 407 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: while a young teen girl was dying in their freezer. 408 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: Why why, Larry. It's inexplicable. It's inexcusable, and we expect 409 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: the hold of the before we accountable for it. The 410 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: Crown Plaza has not produced any legitimate explanation for why 411 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: they couldn't do the simple thing of looking at the cameras. 412 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: Why do you have the cameras if you don't even 413 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: take the time to do what I'm just so beside 414 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: myself about this child. And if you look at her 415 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: in the kitchen, Cheryl, this is just before she is 416 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: in the freezer. Her hair is straight, her pants are 417 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: on on her, her shoes are fine. There's no cut, 418 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: nothing like that. She's perfectly fine, still all dressed up, 419 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: with her hair all done up and a little Jeane 420 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: outfit on. She's fine. I'm looking at her right now 421 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: as we're talking. I'm looking at the video walking through 422 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: that abandoned kitchen, probably trying to find her way out 423 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: of there. She's fine. Well, Nathy, let me just safety obvious. 424 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: We keep being told that nobody was watching those cameras. 425 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: We don't know that maybe somebody did see her, maybe 426 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: somebody followed her after a little while. Another thing. Larry Rogers, 427 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: junior lawyer for the Kannika Jenkins family. The mother told 428 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: me that when she went down to see the freezer, 429 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: when they finally let her see it, that there was 430 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: a video camera on top of it, blinking red and 431 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: she said, what did that camera show? Remember what she said, Larry, 432 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: that's correct. She thinks that she She's described consistently a 433 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: camera that she says should have captured her daughter walking 434 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: in that freezer. And we've been able to identify any 435 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: footage that they've produced from a camera that that depicts that. Uh, 436 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: and not only that, there are other cameras that would 437 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: should have caught her path that Again, we've got no 438 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: footage from their claiming that they weren't working at the time. 439 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: So again, a lot of unanswered questions, um, a lot 440 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: of questions about her. Now we have reached out to 441 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: the Crown Plaza, the Crown a Plaza hotel and have 442 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: not heard anything back from them. Now, I don't know 443 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: what that means nothing, but I'm anxious to hear their 444 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: side of this. I want to hear their side of this. 445 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: What else does the autopsy reveal? Uh, Larry Rogers Junior 446 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: with me, Cheryl McCullum with me, Cheryl, what did you 447 00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: see that sparked her interest in her autopsy? Well, be 448 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: plee that were a boid. Alcohol was not that high 449 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: to you know, be indicative of her walking the way 450 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: she was walking. But the drugs in her system or 451 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: the drug in her system again, some of the folks 452 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: that have wh were at that party that have not 453 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: been interviewed by the police need to come forward. There 454 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: needs to be a full investigation of how that drug 455 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: got into her system and called her to be incapacitated. Jacqueline, 456 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: what do you make of the autopsy? What I make 457 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: out of it is that there's not really much hair. 458 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: It just seems like another effort to brush off her 459 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: death as an accident. Um. One of the biggest things 460 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: that I noticed in the autopsy was they had said 461 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: she died from hypothermia with alcohol intoxication and to pyramid, 462 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: which is a drug that's used for to treat epilepsy 463 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: and migraines, and they said that that was in her 464 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: system and that it was an contributing factor. But from 465 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: what we're hearing from her family is that she was 466 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: never prescribed this drug. They have no clueoud got in 467 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: her system, and there's really no explanation why it was 468 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: in her system. They mentioned that there was no date 469 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: rate drugs in her system, that her her blood alcohol 470 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: content was point one one two, and at one point 471 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: they said there was no evidence that she was forced 472 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: to take the drug, which at this point I don't 473 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: get how they could tell whether she was forced or 474 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: whether it was slipped in her drink. But there's really 475 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: no explanation on why, of all the drugs, party drugs 476 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: or what not, why was this in her system. Yeah, 477 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: we are very concerned with Rosemont's police department having closed 478 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: the investigation so quickly and concluded that there was no 479 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: file play. A lot of the questions have not been answered. 480 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: Their hotel staff that was president in the hotel, who 481 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: has not been interviewed. UH this this investigation is far 482 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: from over and rose My prematurely that there was no 483 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: file play here. We need to figure exactly what happened. 484 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: Why is her why does she have the injury to 485 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: a foot that we see under the un the under 486 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: the pictures um Why does her hair look the way 487 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: it is? Why? Why if her clothing displaced? All of 488 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: those are questions that need to be answered. In addition, 489 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: why is this camera footage and video footage missing? The 490 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: Crown Plaza has not provided any legitimate explanation for why 491 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: there is missing video footage and in particular, why would 492 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: it be video footage? They would you know, yeah, And 493 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: I don't understand why they wouldn't let them look at 494 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: the video footage. Now, this is what they're saying now. 495 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: A spokesperson for the Crown Plaza Hotel said that they 496 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: have extended the offer to Kinnikua's family to privately view 497 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: thirty six total hours of surveillance footage from forty different cameras. 498 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: Inside quote. Our hearts go out to the the Kinnikua's mother, 499 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: her family and friends. We hope covering the funeral costs 500 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: provide a small bit relief for them, says the hostel 501 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: hotel spokesperson Glenn Harston. Huh, what do you what do 502 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: you think about that? Larry Rogers Jr. That was an 503 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: offer they extended early on, we received the video footage 504 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: and looked at it, and again there is footage that's 505 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: missing from cameras we know to have been present. And 506 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: we've got no explanation about why those cameras didn't capture 507 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: this young lady and what would have happened to that 508 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: video footage. Huh. So you really believe that there's missing 509 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: video footage. I know that there are cameras. I saw 510 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: them myself. I've toured the facility. I saw the cameras 511 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: and they would have captured the path that they are 512 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: describing Kanika to have been, to have traveled towards this 513 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: freezer area. And no, no video footage from those cameras 514 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: that she was alive at one a because she sent 515 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: a text message at one thirty a m. And that's 516 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: the last that was heard of her. You know, another 517 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: thing that really hurt me when I was talking to 518 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: the mom, Larry Rogers, was that she kept trying to 519 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: quote rein it in stay in control. And I'll tell 520 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: you what I think. I believe that if I told 521 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: Dr os this and said, Oz, if you had gone 522 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: to that lobby and you had asked to seeing surveillance 523 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: video and report your daughter missing. That has showed it 524 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: to you. But I think that they totally discounted her 525 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: because she was a woman, because it was late at night, 526 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: because she's a minority, because the whole group was perceived 527 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: as partying. And in fact, what she called one which 528 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna play for you in a minute, the mom 529 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: trying to report the daughter missing. And what did they 530 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: tell her? Larry Rogers Jr. They told her to give 531 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: it a few hours. You know, this is a mom 532 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: who knew her daughter. She got up out of her 533 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: bed and went to the hotel. She knew that Knika 534 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: would never have left the premises alone or with anyone voluntarily, 535 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: and she went out there. She reported to the Crown 536 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: Plaza staff. They didn't help her. She called nine one one. 537 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: Rosemont told her to give it a few hours. I 538 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: want you to hear Kniqua's mom calling nine one one, 539 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: judge for yourself. Number one was the address your emergency. Yes, 540 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm at this Crown Crown Plaza O heare Air Force 541 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: And I was calling because my daughter came to this 542 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: to a party here last night, I gathering with her 543 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: friends and um now her friends. They said that they 544 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,479 Speaker 1: left on the front of the hotel and she's not 545 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: able to be found. Now she's ninety years old, so 546 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: so what the wol would you suggest? Well again again, 547 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: the only thing I would just maybe just um, you know, 548 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: give her a couple of hours. You know, she could 549 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: have won. You know, she could have once some more 550 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: with one of her other friends. I mean, and who 551 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: knows what her friends are saying. It's true, you know 552 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: what I mean exactly. That's the day you could say 553 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: and not to be saying. You could say it. Don't 554 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 1: say I'm right, I'm a parent. I've been young before, 555 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: and it's not saying it right. It don't sound right here. 556 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: That's why I came. I heard myself. So when do 557 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 1: you come out desitate for me to fallow me? Some 558 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: person report? Well, well you can, you can file it 559 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: and at any time. It's just like I said, you know, 560 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: just do you just give it a little bit of time. 561 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: You know, if if you hadn't heard from her by 562 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: I want to say about end eleven o'clock, then by 563 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: all means, you'll give us a call again. You can 564 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: come to the station and we can help you out 565 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,919 Speaker 1: from there. Okay, thank you, I do that okay, thank 566 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: you very much. Okay, okay, are you very welcome, have 567 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: a good day. That and I woman call. It's seven 568 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: fifteen a m. Man, but she gets called a little 569 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: left or four a m. Gets dressed, goes to the hotel, 570 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: tries to get help searching, finally with no help at all. 571 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: In fact, the mom's nearly arrested. She makes a missing 572 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: person's report around seven fifteen a m. Where she's told basically, 573 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: I don't worry all this time. Her daughter is dying 574 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: right there in the hotel in the freezer. Let me 575 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: stop briefly and thank our partner making our investigation into 576 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: Kinika's death possible. It's link a k C. Guys, you 577 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 1: know how much I love our family dog, fat Boy 578 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: a k A Nitro. 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I want you 609 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: to hear the dispatch call when Kanika's dead body was 610 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: found three oh one. Everything's in for negative. I have 611 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: that UH subject in the kitchen in a free prod 612 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: gollids give a few hours, Sery McCollum. I have never 613 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: heard of a nine one one dispatch going, you know what, 614 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: she's finally, she's probably fine, just given a couple of hours, 615 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: she's probably with her friends. What I've never heard that 616 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: in my life. And I'm gonna say again, the person 617 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: that pulled the fire alarm is a hero. Who did 618 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: pull the fire alarm Larry Rogers Jr. I don't have 619 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: the name of the individual, but it was one of 620 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,240 Speaker 1: the one of the family or friends that were They 621 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: were desperately looking for Kennika throughout that hotel UH and 622 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: again that desperation led to them pulling the fire alarm, 623 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: and finally, finally a response came that really asked them 624 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: what's going on? And that's what triggered them to begin 625 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: to look at the video footage. And it shouldn't take 626 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: that much, Nancy, as you're indicated, it shouldn't require a 627 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: desperate movement. Well, I'll tell you what. When I went 628 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: down to that lobby Larry Rogers Jr. Uh in the 629 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: hotel in Arizona, I said, my daughter, it's just gotten 630 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: on an elevator. I can't find him looking for right now. 631 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: Help me. This is my son. Don't lose him. And 632 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: I turned around and they helped. They helped, you know, 633 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,879 Speaker 1: they held John David and I went up looking. They 634 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: sent people looking, and a good Samaritan found her and 635 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: brought her back. And by the way, I never I said, 636 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: and hugged the lady and thanked her. But I never 637 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: got her name. I never found out who she was. 638 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,280 Speaker 1: Nothing the lady that got my little girl Lucy, and 639 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: you know, potentially could have saved her life. I'm just 640 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:35,760 Speaker 1: imagining Kanika staggering around and ending up in that freezer. 641 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: My EP executive producer Alan Deep joining me, Alan, what 642 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: do you think of all of the disturbing aspects of this. 643 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: The thing that bothers me the most is the idea 644 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: of Kanika's mom in the hotel shortly after her daughter 645 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: went into that freezer, on the phone with police, asking 646 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: for help at the hotel, asking employees staff there to help. 647 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 1: Yet when she called nine one one, she was told 648 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: go home, wait for her to come home, because that's 649 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: what kids do, call us back maybe in about three 650 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,879 Speaker 1: or four hours. Well, those are fatal three or four hours. 651 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 1: And it disturbs me to think what would have happened 652 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:30,919 Speaker 1: if that that law enforcement agent who answered the nine 653 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: one one call had said, you know what, we're sending 654 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: an officer down there immediately to search the hotel, and 655 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,399 Speaker 1: we're going to find your daughter, and maybe they would 656 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: have found her before she froze to death. We see 657 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: this too many times in missing person cases, where law 658 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: enforcement doesn't initially treat it as a case. They think 659 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: it's a voluntary disappearance. They think that this especially if 660 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: it's a young person, that they're off partying someplace, or 661 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: they think that drugs are involved, and they don't want 662 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: to put their resources into searching for this missing person. 663 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,359 Speaker 1: And I can tell you just in this this year, 664 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: while we've been doing the show, there have been several 665 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,399 Speaker 1: cases where I personally talked to the families and heard 666 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 1: their frustration about this. Weeks later, their their daughter, their sister, 667 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: whoever they were found dead, and police had waited days 668 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: or weeks before they started investigating. That is the most 669 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: disturbing thing and I wish I knew what we could 670 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,319 Speaker 1: do about it. Again, Larry Rogers Jr. What was her 671 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: condition when her body was found in the Fraser? Larry, 672 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 1: she was stiff, Rigor mortiss At said in she was frozen, 673 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: and um, she was positioned and just the most odd 674 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: position that you could imagine. It was pretty traumatic for 675 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: her mom to see those photos. We actually asked the 676 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 1: Rosemont Police Department not to make them public because they 677 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,280 Speaker 1: were so traumatic, and her pleas in that regard were 678 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: dismissed as well. You know, when you say she was 679 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: in this weird position, what position was it? She was 680 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 1: positioned sort of on her left side with a face 681 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:25,240 Speaker 1: down towards the ground and um, more or less position 682 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: position into a corner of the freezer. And this is 683 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: a small freezer that was about four ft by five 684 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 1: ft in dimension, and it was just a very sad 685 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:40,720 Speaker 1: and tragic photographed to see. It must have been terrible 686 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: for that getting lady. What do you think of that position? 687 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: Sheryl McCollum, because I've now discovered I believe that there 688 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: is an opening, a release valve within the freezer that 689 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 1: she could have gotten out unless she was disabled. The 690 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 1: way she positioned in that corner, like her face is 691 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 1: down literal in the corner. Again, it doesn't look like 692 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: something she did naturally. And her hair is all in 693 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: her face. It's not like away from her faith where 694 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: she just got cold and fell over and close to death. 695 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 1: It looked violent, like she was struggling. And I'm looking 696 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,320 Speaker 1: at the video right now of her walking toward the freezer, 697 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 1: her closer in place. Her hair is perfect, She's got 698 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,320 Speaker 1: in a little jean shirt, everything's fine, both shoes on, everything, 699 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: she's perfectly in order. None of it makes sense to me. 700 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: And now it has been decided it's an accident. Now 701 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 1: I'm waiting to hear back from the Crown Plaza hotel. 702 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,359 Speaker 1: I want to hear what they have to say. So 703 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: far nothing but according to her mother, Teresa, Teresa Martin, 704 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,879 Speaker 1: she says, quote to me, I feel they helped kill 705 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: my child, the police department and this hotel. Why is 706 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 1: she saying that Larry Rogers Jr. About the police feels 707 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,280 Speaker 1: that her please, her help were ignored from the early beginning. 708 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 1: And if they had only just responded to her there, 709 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: taking the time and look at the cameras they begun 710 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 1: to look for her when she first called, we wouldn't 711 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 1: be here today. The young lady would be alive and 712 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: we wouldn't be here. That's the tragedy of it all. 713 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: What now, Larry Rogers Jr. Well, what we've done now 714 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: is we've commissioned a private autopsy to investigate on to 715 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: investigate her injuries. UM. We've done a private toxicology testing 716 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,919 Speaker 1: that we expect to get the results on shortly. We've 717 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 1: done a for in the examination of the freezer and 718 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 1: are in the process of agreeing to have the doors 719 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: and framework removed so we can have that test it, 720 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: possibly by an engineer. UM. And then we expect to 721 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,920 Speaker 1: explore specifically what happened with this missing video footage again 722 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: to try and help this this poor mom get to 723 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: the bottom of what happened to her to her daughter. Well, 724 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 1: another thing I don't understand, Larry, is Teresa tells me 725 00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 1: that police tried to arrest her a she tried to 726 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: search the hotel for her little girl. She's dead. Okay, 727 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,319 Speaker 1: why was the mom? Why police trying to arrest her. 728 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. They were more concerned with why, 729 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: with the fact that people were in the hotel looking 730 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 1: for Kanika than the fact that that Kanika was missing. Again, 731 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,880 Speaker 1: just a tragic, a tragic way of addressing a desperate 732 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: mom in search of her daughter. Wait, they were more 733 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,880 Speaker 1: concerned about what the police department and the hotel staff 734 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: was more concerned, all right, they were in the hotel 735 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: knocking on doors and trying to keep them from knocking 736 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 1: on doors than they were about the fact that Kanika 737 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,359 Speaker 1: was missing. Rather than focusing on the fact that there 738 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: was a young nineteen year old girl who had entered 739 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,759 Speaker 1: that hotel and was missing and couldn't be located, they 740 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: were more concerned about can't get my head around. Can 741 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,040 Speaker 1: you imagine a cop when I'm running up in on 742 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,880 Speaker 1: the hall, screaming and crying for Lucy, trying to drag 743 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,400 Speaker 1: me out while she could be dying or molested or 744 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,279 Speaker 1: being hurt at that very minute, to come and try 745 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 1: to arrest the mother. Cheryl, You've got two children. I 746 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 1: cannot fathom how they are more concerned with the serbing 747 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: the peace than they are with somebody dying on their property. 748 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: That doesn't have to and literally, literally, if they were 749 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,799 Speaker 1: worried about them running up down the hall, all they 750 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,960 Speaker 1: had to do was showing the video tape. All they 751 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: had to do get him in an office showing the tape. 752 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: Let's go find her. Perious. I'm just I'm just sick. 753 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 1: The windness says told police that they lost traffic track 754 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,120 Speaker 1: of Kanika when she left just for a moment. Do 755 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,239 Speaker 1: you fetch her car keys and her cell phone from 756 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 1: another room? That never happened. Somehow everything went sideways. How 757 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 1: is the mom Theresa Martin doing now, Larry Rogers Jr. 758 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: Because when I met with her, she was just, oh, oh, 759 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,319 Speaker 1: my star, she was just she looked like she was 760 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: just nubs. She could hardly even talk. Yeah, she's a 761 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,799 Speaker 1: very strong woman and an amazing woman. Um, she's been 762 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:23,360 Speaker 1: just just perfect in terms of a client, um, in 763 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,560 Speaker 1: terms of her disposition. You know, she did any and 764 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,240 Speaker 1: everything she could do to try and locate her daughter 765 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: as quickly as possible. She's hurt. I think she indicated 766 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,440 Speaker 1: that to use herself, Nancy. She's hurt by the fact 767 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 1: that her pleas were ignored, and those pleas really would 768 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 1: have likely made a difference and whether her daughter was 769 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:47,280 Speaker 1: alive Today with me is Larry Rogers Jr. A veteran 770 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 1: trial lawyer or the lawyer for Connickas family, and my 771 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,719 Speaker 1: friend and longtime colleague, Cheryl McCollum, Director of the Cold 772 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,359 Speaker 1: Case Institute, and Alan Duke, of course, joining me from 773 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,880 Speaker 1: l A. Our search for justice is not over. Nancy 774 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: Grace's crime Stories, signing off good bye friend,