WEBVTT - #23 - Benny The Butcher 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:34.919 All right, y'all, all right, just that time, another edition 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:41.760 of the Bootleg Camp podcast officially on a Monday, even 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:44.840 though whatever you're hearing right now wasn't recorded on Monday. 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:49.080 My producer Erica Rock he went to Sacramento to uh, 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:54.400 you know, shoot guns with Massie. I'm kidding, but he 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:58.200 did go to Sacramento and uh yeah, so we got 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:04.640 Today's episode is with Benny the Butcher. Benny the Butcher 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:11.120 is one of the most prolific MC's currently in hip hop, 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:13.840 been that way for a couple of years, two three, 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.960 four years, I'll say about three years. He's really beginning 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:20.760 his respect since Tanna Talk came out, like three Tanta 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.760 Talk three. Sorry it's late, man, my head's off fucked 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:33.480 up anyway. Benny having himself a stellar twenty four months, 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:44.880 stellar hit boy, having himself a stellar twenty twenty, and 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:50.400 I would almost say historical twenty twenty in regards to 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.840 what he's done and how he's touched the culture this year. 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:59.400 We can talk about Detroit two, we could talk about 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:06.200 King's disease. We could talk about him and Dom Kennedy's 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:08.920 joint projects together. We can talk about his solo project 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.000 Chauncey Hollis Bro talked about all the other projects that 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.080 he's produced on t He Grizzly Shit. I mean, the 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:20.120 list goes on and on. Shout out to Big I 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:21.640 was gonna say, shout out to Big Sean, Shout out 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.360 to Big Sean, a shout out to hit Boy. He 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:30.080 produced the entire album Burden of Proof, and uh man, 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:34.080 I'm just I'll just love where hip hop is right now. So, 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:37.200 but Benny the Butcher is the first official guest, or no, 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.200 I'm sorry, the first official see listen, man, y'all gotta 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:44.200 excuse me. It's like three am right now. I'm tired 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.360 as a fuck. If y'all can't tell. Benny the Butcher 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:52.560 is the first repeat guest we've had on the podcast. 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.840 I say that because when him and the Black Soprano 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:59.720 Family dropped their mixtape, I had them on via Zoom. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:01.960 The zoom shit is whack. It is what it is. 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.480 We had a dope convo, then even doper conversation. Now 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.200 got to do the face to face thing. Also, there's 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.800 a freestyle that is coming with this. Gonna start doing freestyles, man, 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:17.560 because why the fuck not? Bruh, you feel me? And 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:21.080 Benny the Butcher's kicking that shit off. So how about 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.400 them fucking apples. Go to my YouTube page. Just type 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.440 in Bootleg keV on fucking YouTube. Hit that subscribe and 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:31.919 you know, thank you, thank you. But Benny the Butcher 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.280 back on the podcast talking Burden of Proof, talking all 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:38.880 kinds of fly shit. Salute to him. Only person I 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.840 gotta get on this motherfucker now is Westside Gun and 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.440 I'm working on it. Also working on HARMANI Caesar, also 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.400 working on Bowlie James, trying to get the whole fucking 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.080 Griselda to show up and show out. We're trying to 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:53.560 be like, you know, the fucking you know, I'm just 0:04:53.680 --> 0:05:02.880 I'm just trying to be just somebody who really represents 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:09.720 that shit. And you know, that's just where I'm at 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.520 with this music shit. I'm like, man, listen, I'm gonna 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:16.360 represent the shit that I really fuck with. And that's 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:21.480 the bars if you know me. So, Griselda, Benny hell 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.400 of an album. Burden of Proof is out. Shout out 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.120 to our sponsors before we get into the interview. You 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.599 got a shout out to vapin. Go to vapincbd dot com. 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:34.760 Make sure you use the keyword bootleg CAV. 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Let's 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:23.320 get into the interview Benny the Butcher Yo Boutle Cab 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:28.880 Podcast Episode number whatever the fuck whatever episode. It is 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.039 technically second appearance on the podcast because we did something 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.600 on Zoom with the with the with the black soprano fan. Right, 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.360 Benny the Butcher is here, Yes, sir, I'm in the 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.080 building this time though he's in the building. This is 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:41.760 the way we like to do it. Man I don't 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:43.200 do zoom for a lot of people. We did zoom 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.120 for you and for Action Bronson, so you know, I 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.880 had to make a couple exceptions, but we got Benny here. 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:53.719 Burden of Proof is officially out and damn put Hey 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.239 look man, you I feel like, yes, sir, the whole 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.720 crew has been active all year, but you just kind 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.640 of saved all the AMMO for like the fourth quarter. Yeah. Man, 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.760 I just to be honest with you, because I'm always honest. 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.279 That's the only way not to be. I would have 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.160 I would have been put the album out, but it 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:12.080 was just so dope that we wanted to find a 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.040 home force so we could do something extra with it, 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:15.800 So we could do something special with it. We want 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.280 to line everything up with it. So that's why we 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:19.640 held on to it. But we could have been put 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:20.640 this shit out. You know what I'm saying. It was 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:25.120 a business decision. You know what I'm saying, talk about 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:27.160 because I was. I went to a couple of the 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:31.960 sessions when you and Hit were working at Chalice on 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.040 this project, and I remember when he like he told 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.160 me like, no, we're gonna do like a whole situation. 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.160 And I didn't even realize like I knew Hip Boy was, 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.240 Like I mean, of course, all time great producer, He's 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:43.679 been a friend of mine for a lot of years, 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.960 but like he really got in in his bag like 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.560 on some shit that like we probably ain't used to 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.880 hearing them all, Like how did they get like the 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.640 chemistry and the relationships start with you and hit Boy? 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.960 Oh man. So just by him reaching out to me 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.160 and telling me to come through, let's work already gave 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:04.640 me an idea of what type of person he was. 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.080 You feel what I'm saying. He didn't have to do 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.960 that right, right, because this was like late last year. Yeah, 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.880 So I come out just kicking it with him, you 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:15.840 know what I'm saying. He you know, you know you 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:19.000 know what I'm saying. I'm very humble exactly, and I'm 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:21.000 kind of like the same way, you know what I'm saying. 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.520 So it was like it was like the synergy was 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:26.520 just there, you know what I mean. I enjoyed working 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.240 with him. I love the direction he gave me when 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:29.880 we're working on these records. I like working with like 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.480 producers instead of like just the beat makers. And you 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:35.439 know what I'm saying, I fed off his energy. You 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.679 know what I'm saying. He got like I'm coming through. 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:44.960 I'm seeing rappers do there? Oh yeah, everybody there right 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:49.079 right right right right? Uh nah crazy. I bumped into 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.080 a hold just a lot of people there. So it's like, Okay, 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:53.480 I like this energy do I'm Kennedy my boy. He 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.080 always chilling through there, you know what I'm saying. So 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:59.560 that type of energy there, you know, I like that. 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.240 Me and you were talking and we were talking how 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:11.680 this is your most commercial sounding project. Obviously we know Griselda, 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:13.520 and that's why I think it was so dope for 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.160 you to pivot away from, like, you know, kind of 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:22.559 the typical Griselda sound because you know, hey, like it works, 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.000 it's great, that's what we love. But I just thought 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:26.720 it was dope just to see you kind of step 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:30.800 out of your comfort zone. Do you how do you 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.400 feel about sonically where this album is and are you 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.840 afraid of any sort of like you know, man, Riselda 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:42.320 fans are crazy and they're extremely like I feel like 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.880 they're a little like anytime you have fans that are 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:47.760 like that with co followings, they feel like you're like 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.240 you're theirs. Yeah, they feel like they feel like, you know, 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.720 what I'm saying, you're theirs. They feel like, you know, 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:54.680 like we hope you get to where you at, so 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.240 don't change on us. And ah, but I understand where 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.240 the're coming from. But to be honest with you, I 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.720 am Griselda. You fee what I'm saying. So I could 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:05.200 I am the Griselda sound if our mother fucking spit 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:07.640 on the song Nigga, that's the Grisela sound Because I 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:09.960 am Griselda. I'm ben Ney the Butcher, one third of 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.199 Griselda that helped build this ship and put it where 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:13.560 it's at. You know what I'm saying. What I brought 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.720 to the table definitely played a part in to where 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:17.959 the gang at to day, you know what I'm saying, 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.320 Just like Western, just like Conway. So I don't I mean, 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.120 I am Griselda. So I don't understand it when when 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.680 they when they say that, they just typically they love 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:31.199 that dark ship with uh deer and you know what 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.319 I'm saying, that is our coreus sounds. So they kind 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:35.679 of don't want us to you know what I mean, 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:39.160 But it's their fuck y'all. Don't big y'all do them 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:42.120 blew us up? So big y'all y'all did it. Y'all 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:44.559 blow us up so big that you know what I mean, 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.600 that we gain different opportunities and and and let me 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:49.920 say this, and I was saying this before the album 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:55.240 came out. Uh, a lot of times we would cross 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.440 the bridge. But nine times out of ten, when people 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:01.200 work with us, they come on your You bring them 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:05.120 to your world. So more of me sounded like the 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.200 the mainstream artists you are usually here. Hit boy work 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.360 with he's going to sound you know what I'm saying, 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.720 He on, he on his gutter shit because he's a chameleon. 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:17.079 He tapping into his exactly. It's a new challenge for him, 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.000 you know what I'm saying. It's like, Okay, I'm Griselda 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.599 Niggas tapping with Benny. Let's do that. Let's see, you 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.679 know what what I mean. So and it's worked out exactly 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:27.040 and it's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, give me for for people 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:31.679 who will be good. Okay, Now I was gonna say 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:33.480 for people who don't know. Man, let's kind of like 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.800 go all the way back, Like we all know you're 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:40.080 from Buffalo. M hm you were you born in Buffalo? Yeah? Yeah, 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.480 when like kind of give me like a little background 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:45.320 of your childhood, man, Like how did you come up? 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:47.400 Like what like what made you first get into rapping? 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:49.040 And like what what like like how old were you 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.319 when you first like really kind of made the decision 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:56.520 to do this ship like all the way man growing up. 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.800 Growing up was dope. Man. I was born on my 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:02.920 Ti Avenue on the East Side. I moved to the 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:07.000 projects and we was always having our cousins over and 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.640 always watching TV and watching the movies and stuff like that. 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:12.920 So I always was in love with music. Like I 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.120 used to love Wild Wild West. That was my song, 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.400 you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, but that used 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.040 to come on. My mom used to call me, like, Yo, 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.120 your song going, you know what I'm saying. So I 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.160 always loved that. We used to standing right in front 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.720 of the TV and just, i mean, act out whatever 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:28.280 they was doing in the video, you know what I mean. 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:30.920 So I always had that love for music. When I 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.000 was inspired to do it, I just I'm like, damn, 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.600 I was above average. I was better than average. So 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:37.840 it was something that I wanted to pursue. Like when 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:41.600 I was about fifteen. It's a group from my hood 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.720 named Killer Brown, and it's just like older dudes from 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.520 my hood. When I say older, a few couple years 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:48.640 older than me. I grew up with these dudes, went 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:50.280 to school with them, and these was my homies to 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.760 this day. They had a rap group called Killer Brown 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.320 from my block Mountain Avenue, and they performed at the Apollo. 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.920 They used to do all the back to school shows. 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:03.080 They used to do, like regular shows. The Warrens robe 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.240 was always put together. So I come from that, you 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:06.920 know what I'm saying. It's a long line of that, 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.959 like from my neighborhood. I mean, yeah, so when you 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.440 were about fifteen, you started to take this rap shit serious. 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.760 I do. I think that it's important that people realize, like, man, 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.600 this You've put in so much work over the years 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.880 and this was not like some overnight success shit. Like 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.679 I'm sure at a certain point in time, I mean, 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.559 was there ever a point in time where you get 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:33.480 like we're close to giving up on the rap shit, 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:37.760 because like, yo, man, like you know, it's like I said, 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:41.199 it's a marathon out here, especially being from Buffalo kind 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:43.880 of having that underdog mentality coming out of that city anyway, 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:48.839 like well being a hustler, being a hustler and being 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.640 so in love with this business and being so hungry 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:56.360 and wanting to pursue it so bad. I did have 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.800 the runnings and then out of prison, and I didn't 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.679 tell myself that I'm about to lead a rap game alone. 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.280 I never said that. What I told myself is that, 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:07.640 you know, you might not never like make it big, 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:09.280 you know what I'm saying. And I was okay with 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.280 maybe getting it to a point where I was just 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:17.000 making like local music, I mean local money off of it, 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:18.800 you know what I'm saying. Long, if it was like 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:21.760 maybe you know, like ten bands a month off music 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:23.400 would have been good. I would have been good with that, 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:25.600 or maybe even less, as long as I could have 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:27.600 made music and feed my family because I was just 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:29.800 so sick of the street shit and all of that. 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:31.280 So if I could have made it to that point, 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.600 I would have been happy and felt like I was successful. 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.600 So I didn't never even need all of this. Yeah, 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:38.440 me telling people like, if you can like pay your 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:40.600 bills off of music, like you're successful, he might not 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.520 be like platinum or exactly like most people just go 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.760 to work every day and to do they hate and 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:49.720 that's how they how many you say you went to 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.800 prison a few times. What was the longest stint you 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:53.840 did in when you were locked up? Two years? Two years? 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:59.400 What year was that? It's two thous This is two thousands. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.240 I was in three. I was in I was in 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:05.520 high school in oh three, Yeah, that's where I was 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.760 supposed to have been. So O three did a couple 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:13.040 of years, obviously, what were what were the charges? Attempt 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:18.600 to distribute lying like like I lied about my name? 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:22.920 What's that? Oh? Yeah? Giving false information you can put 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.360 over like I don't. I did it in federal court. 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.560 They already had me on the I was on a 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.160 run for some other ship. So when I got caught up, 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:31.920 I'm not knowing how this federal shit go. Like when 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.000 they got you, they fucking got you. I'm thinking, I'm 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.720 about to lie about my name and leave some crazy ship. 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:39.880 So I lied about my name. They made me put 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:42.520 my I remember the fake name I gave them. They 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:44.160 made me put my hand on the Bible, raised my 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.360 right hand. It's like, state your name. I stayed my name, 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.080 I said, Benny Lyman. Before I can get my hand down, 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.760 the DA was like, actually around her, his name is 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.720 such as set my real name and there you go 0:15:55.840 --> 0:16:00.960 new charge. Damn. So they was just they already had you. Yeah, 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.280 they just set me up to do that. Damn. So 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:05.800 you didn't want to be slipped when you was in 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.480 for two years? Was that a time? Because you know, 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.960 we all talk about we had a fraid O banging 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:12.240 here and he was kind of talking about how like 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:16.200 prison kind of helped reset his mentality there. I feel 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.800 like there's really no you know, there's there's certain ways 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:21.560 to look at the prison shit. For the most part, 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.640 it really doesn't rehabilitate anybody, but there are situations in which, 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:26.800 you know, people come out with a new mentality, Like 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.000 how like do you think that it helped you at all? 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.680 Like going in there? Like, I know, you're fucked up 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.360 to say that any time I ever went behind that wall, 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.600 I needed it. You know what I'm saying. You know, 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:38.720 the people who watching this interview, they know what kind 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.480 of people person I am, and they know what kind 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:43.600 of person he is. If you're watching his interview, if 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.560 you've ever been to jail, you know you needed it. 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.720 It's fucked up to say, but it's almost like it 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.680 if that wouldn't happen, you might have died or something. Definitely, 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.040 or would have ended up doing something to give more time, 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:56.200 you know what I'm saying. So you know, everything happens 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:57.920 for a reason. I'm a firm believer in that. And 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.520 I was just young, doing shit, not thinking I'm untouchable 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.520 and catching a federal case at eighteen. You know how 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:07.840 the federal case you know, that's that shit is you 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.200 gotta do what seventy percent of the time, no matter what, right, 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.520 it's a fat case, it's something like that. They change 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:14.840 it every time, right right right? Uh, you know, they 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.160 come with their bullshit. So it's like if the Feds 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.679 are coming at you, it's not like yo, man, like 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:21.560 good luck. That means that they're not They're not coming 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.239 at you unless they got you exactly nine times out 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.200 of ten. So so after going through that, like I 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:29.919 kind of knew more like, man, you better if you're 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:31.760 doing that, you better, boy, because when they come, they 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:33.639 go you know, or I knew certain people who had 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:35.199 a fair case and they're like, Okay, I got this case. 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:36.639 I'm about to do this. I'm like, no, don't do 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.640 that because they will lose you. You know what I'm saying, 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.119 You will never see a family again. So I knew 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.280 even though I was high headed still at times, but 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.119 I still had that. I got to learn from that. 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:46.640 So you had to you had to do fed time 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:50.159 those two years. Was that a I heard our federal 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:54.639 prison is supposed to be like nicer than other ones. Yeah, yeah, okay, boom, 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.000 I wasn't. I ended up going to a camp, a 0:17:57.040 --> 0:18:00.000 federal camp. I was in there with Emory Emery Jones. Okay, yeah, 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.919 same federal camp. And basically I remember I got to US. 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:05.879 I got to US, I got to the Atlanta USP 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.200 and I was talking to my bunkie. He was telling 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:12.440 me about the Atlanta camp. He was like, yeah, yeah, 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:13.840 I was at the camp and you know what I mean. 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:15.400 I went to the mall. I left. He talking about 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:19.000 leaving the prison and going toward a mall, and I'm like, 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.320 I'm not even paying attention because they don't even sound real, 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.439 so I'm thinking, like it's just cap or whatever. So 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.520 I ended up making it to a spot a camp 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.480 and people are leaving the jail. It got a gate 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.400 around it, but it's like no gun towers and it's 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.560 got and it's like the perimeters is next to a 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.600 medium medium security prison and it's a camp, a minimum 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:41.520 security person. You know what I'm saying. For people set 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:43.960 who's on their way home. You know what I'm saying. 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:48.400 Emrie was there at the end of his bed. Uh So, yeah, 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.080 people deleat the motherfucker. That's what people do. And I 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.479 left my baby, mama, Cam, I left, I got some pussy. 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.320 I brought ship back into jail and everything had a 0:18:56.400 --> 0:19:00.439 cell phone, all type of shit. Jordan's Henny every So 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.719 you could have well first brought into Bazookah. So at 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:05.960 that point in time, they're not considering that ship contrabandy. 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:08.359 Did you have it tucked? Hell? Yeah, they didn't know 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.119 we had that ship. Where do you hide the bottle 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:13.040 of hennessy? Uh to be honest with honest with you, 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.199 we held it. Okay. First, it's a team of us. 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:19.359 Shout out my man, say man, my man, sway, my 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:22.280 man adjusts. Those are dudes I was locked up with, 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:25.879 uh sam man. He used to he used to be 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.879 like a porter, so he used to like do the trash. 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:30.840 So he used to like hide the ship under the 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:33.280 trash can. He's the only person who trusted who touched 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.040 the trash on the unit. So he used to hide 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:36.960 this ship under the trash under the trash lining. Yeah, 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.119 hell yeah. So what we did it was glass bottle though, 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:40.760 so what the fuck is glass doing on the prison? 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.160 Con do it? After we drink the bottle, he'll put 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.480 the glass in the pillow case, break it up, break 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:50.920 it up real fine, and dispose of it. So it's 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:54.320 just crazy. But damn, that's crazy. So you got to leave, 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.440 get pussy, bring ship back in. It was kind of like, 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.040 you know, like, I mean, that shit sounds and she 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.600 sounds crazy now, mind you. Even though this is a camp, 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.480 this is still prison, still fucking prison. So it's people 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.160 in here who who who've been in here for twenty years, 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.320 who never didn't no shit like that in twenty years. 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:13.600 It was just niggas like that in there who just 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:15.879 wanted this for me to tell the story. Okay, oh, 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:19.720 young young blood. So I heard you left yesterday. Man, 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.920 I wasn't out there. Can I smell your fingers? Like 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:26.280 these niggas is they can't believe I was just out 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:28.560 there like that. You know, back in here, these niggas 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:30.920 been down for twenty joints. That's crazy. Ay, So you 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:32.720 said you were locked up with Emory, did you guys 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.159 have a relationship. When you were locked up together, Emory, 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:37.960 you know, he was a dude. Everybody bothered Emory because 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:39.320 they knew it was like, Yo, this is you know, 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:41.160 I mean that was homes man, and we know when 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.800 this nigga go home, he was going to be even 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:46.080 though he came in, he came home and he worked 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.640 for his and he became for sure man, Oh for sure, 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:51.760 I mean yo, man, like let like you know, obviously 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:53.720 we don't really know exactly what happened, but he kind 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:55.840 of you know, he took that on the on the 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.440 chain for them. You definitely definitely, uh you know what 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:01.920 I mean. I really let him live, you know what 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:05.120 I'm saying. But we knew of each other, We knew 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:08.240 who each other was. So like, were you because in prison, 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.280 you know where like were you like known as a 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:14.960 rapper there? Like were you like where their cipher's going on? 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:17.399 Like or was it something that you did you just 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:20.960 kind of like didn't advertise to people? Man, Hell yeah, 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:23.840 I advertised. That's nothing that I couldn't hide. See now, 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:27.240 in federal prison, they got things that they call cars. 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:29.639 They would take you, they would take you to wherever 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:31.959 it state you from. When you get on the compound 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.160 and they're like where you from, I say Buffalo. They'd 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:36.240 be like, okay, we'll take you to the We would 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:38.280 take you to the New York car. So that's what 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:39.760 they did. They took me to the New York cars. 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:42.560 Niggas from Brooklyn, hirelm Bung Bung bung. You feel what 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:46.560