WEBVTT - Sam Seder & Harry Litman 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.160 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:12.360 today's best minds, and seventy seven percent of Americans blame 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.800 Trump for gas prices. We have such a great show 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:19.040 for you today. The Majority Reports Sam Seedar stops by 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:23.360 to talk President Trump's rapidly deteriorating health. Then we'll talk 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:28.040 to talking Feds Harry Littman about his productions for the 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:32.440 retirement of Justices Thomas and Alito. But first the news. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:37.320 So, Molly, Trump has suffered a huge legal loss when 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:39.879 he tried to ban asylum seekers. 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:42.680 This is like exactly what we know about Trump. He 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.920 loses in the courts, and he's always losing in the courts, 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:48.280 and here he is more losing in the courts. So 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.200 US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:56.080 to one that Trump could not deport immigrants under summary 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:59.840 removal procedures of his own making. So basically, he makes 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.440 a reason to get rid of people and then he 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:05.240 does it. That's not going to fly here. So barring 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:08.559 foreign individuals who are physically present in the United States 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:12.560 from applying to asylum if they've made the statutory showing 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:17.000 that they are eligible for being considered to receive asylum. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:21.280 So basically this is all illegal. And this is the 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.520 larger problem with Trump, isn't writ large besides the fact 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:27.479 that it's a moral and a lot is that it's 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.840 also illegal. And that's where we are today, is that 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:33.759 Trump has yet again lost in the courts because none 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.240 of this is legal. And so here we are another 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:41.000 day that ends and why another loss in the courts 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:44.640 for Trump world unsurprising, but there'll be more. 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.080 So then when he's not losing in courts, we have 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:51.240 the DOJ being not even able to cook up these charges. 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.120 He tried to Trump up on Jeroan Powell. 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.960 Yeah, cook the books. So Donald Trump really mad at 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:00.280 Jerome Powell because he wouldn't lower interest rates, so he 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.600 decided to cook up an investigation into him. 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:04.440 Jerome Pal. 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:06.920 I mean, the stupidest part of this whole story, and 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.200 there are many stupid parts, so I don't want you 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.480 to just focus on one stupid part. But the stupidest 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:16.280 part here is that Jerome pal was appointed by Trump 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.800 the first time. So like, this is not some like 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:24.840 woke leftist, this is a Republican guy, and Trump has 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.920 cooked up this idea, probably likely with the help of 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:32.160 his buddy Bill Pulti, that he mismanaged the renovation of 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.280 the FED. There's no evidence to support it. And so 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.200 what happened here is that Tom Tillis, who was not 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.679 running again and so he has become like all Republican 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:45.520 senators who are not running again, brave in the eleventh hour. 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:49.560 He's the Liz Cheney of the Senate. That guy was like, 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:51.959 you know what, You're not going to get handsome Kevin. 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:53.120 Remember handsome Kevin. 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.880 I don't stop thinking about it, especially after those flattering, 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.400 flattering remarks during his congressional hearing. 0:02:58.400 --> 0:02:58.960 Miss right. 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.840 This is a call back to friend of the podcast, 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:08.120 Justin Wolfers, who had a there was handsome Kevin and 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:12.880 smiling Kevin Kevin Walsh versus Kevin Hassett. So Kevin Walsh 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.880 Trump wants him to be the FED chair. And what 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.200 we had here was that Tom Tillis said, you're not 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.680 going to get your FED chair passed until you drop 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.880 this dumb investigation of Jerome pal By the way, I 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.120 want to point out my favorite part of this whole 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:31.800 thing is that the person involved in the investigation into 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:36.400 Jerome Powell one box of wine. Judge Box of Wine. 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:38.480 You'll remember her from earlier seasons. 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:40.560 Bolly, how could she have botched this? 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:41.320 There's no way. 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.720 She's so good at everything she does, meeting drinking. 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:49.080 Yes, well again, we have many Fox News hosts in 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:53.160 this administration, all of whom are a complete disaster. But 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.200 Judge Box of Wine is a perennial favorite for us 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.600 because she's an alcoholic and we love to make fun 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.160 of alcoholism. We'll be doing it later at the show, 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:03.600 that's right. 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:06.120 One of the things, though, I think is always so funny, 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.120 is like with the Trump administration is going after these people. 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.280 They're going look at the Biden crime family, all these 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.160 things that you know, Like a thing I like to 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.800 remind people is that before Joe Biden was vice president, 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.440 he was literally the poorest senator and that this whole 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:23.080 crime family thing. You know, Barisma fifty thousand dollars. Then 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:27.120 we have Eric Trump bragging about twenty four million dollar 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:30.800 Pentagon deal that his company just landed. But no, nothing 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:32.080 to see here in this family. 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:33.120 Never. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:36.560 I hate corruption, whether it have a D or an 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.920 R in front of it, and voters hate it, by 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:42.320 the way, but it's important to remember that as much 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.440 as like, Eric Trump is really dumb, and so he 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.680 ends up in situations like this. And so let's take 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:51.360 a minute to pour one out for our friend Eric Trump. 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:55.560 He's on Fox Business with Maria Bartaroma. The money honey, 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.200 I mean, this is like an incredible quip. If you 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:02.640 can find it, you should because it's amazing. And basically 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.520 he goes on to talk about how great the robots 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:10.679 are and she congratulates him as if like State TV 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.520 is congratulating the sign of the monarch. And you know 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.440 what's so inconvenient for Trump world is that we have 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.520 been a democracy for a long time and so we 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:25.039 Americans are not really used to like the kleptocrats the 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:29.120 way that this crew is spinning it. And so it 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:34.760 just feels very very very sleazy and very very wrong. 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:36.120 And that's because it is. 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:40.960 Yeah, so as promised as kash Pttel has launched a 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:45.160 lawsuit against the Atlantic for reporting that he really hits 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:48.360 the bottle, like very rare reports have ever shown. What 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.480 we've now found with this is a little streisand effect. 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:56.599 Sure enough, there is arrest records, people innundating the Atlantic 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.640 with stories of how drunky is. I saw on TikTok 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.960 someone showing him drinking twelve beers in a matter of 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.760 two hours at a hockey game. I don't know if 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:08.880 it was real, but I don't even know how someone 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:09.240 does that. 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:14.279 So cash Battel has sued the Atlantic. This is the 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.920 way Trump world does that. They'll sue, you know, Trump 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.560 is the model for this. You sue reporting you don't like, 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:22.960 you sue. But here's the problem with all of that 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.320 is that in order for this to go, that will 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:30.040 be discovery. Discovery will be a bitch, as they say, 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:34.440 it will involve lots of investigations, a lot of emails, 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:38.200 a lot of text messages. And what we'll see, undoubtedly 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.640 is that everybody in the FBI. You remember, cash Battel 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:46.120 has decimated the FBI. He's fired numerous people who were 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:51.520 you know, lifelong career, military career, FBI, people who have 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.520 really given their lives the FBI and who have worked 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.440 hard and you know, have done important work. And what 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.240 we're going to see is that when you fire every one, 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.799 people start leaking about you. And do we think cash 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.720 Battel is a drinker? Yeah? I don't think that story 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:09.680 gets written unless he's a drinker. I think that if 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.800 this lawsuit goes forward, I think it'll probably get dismissed. 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:14.480 But if it does go forward, I think it is 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.760 going to be very embarrassing for the FBI and for 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.400 cash Battel. I mean, the name that trends has been 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.880 trending about him at least was on X, which I 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.040 think is pretty great, is Jay Edgar Boozer. 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.280 Yes, a member of the liquor cabinet, as they're saying. 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:37.560 Yes. Sam Cedar is the host of The Majority Report. 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:42.800 Sam Cedar, Hi, Molly, Hi, thank you for coming on 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:43.440 the podcast. 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:45.040 My pleasure as always. 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.320 You know, it's funny because it's like we're eighteen months 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:52.280 into this train wreck of a president of a second term, 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:56.120 and it's finally hit a moment where my man has 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.400 that sort of has hit the has hit a number 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:04.320 of number where Eva Alex Jones has decided to break 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:04.680 with him. 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:10.160 Yes, we're in like George W. Bush at his lowest 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:14.679 EBB territory. And frankly, I think there's probably like thirty 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.280 to thirty five percent of Americans who are never going 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:21.920 to abandon any Republican president. Ever, I should say, yeah, 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.120 thirty to thirty five yeah, percent of Americans who will 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:28.120 not abandon a Republican president. He doesn't seem to care 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.280 in many respects. I think, you know, that's because, like 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:35.800 I think, he has made just so much money, there 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:41.119 has been so much corruption and graft, and I continue 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:46.720 to believe that as much as his stupidity and his 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.079 inability to do anything other than the last person tells 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:54.120 him with iron, I am quite convinced there has to 0:08:54.160 --> 0:09:00.600 be a monetary renuneration for him in some way about this. 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:02.680 I don't know, you know, I don't know what that 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.760 would be, but it just seems to me be the case. 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.560 But yes, he's losing support. 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:10.520 I mean, the biggest thing I think, I mean, if 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.480 I was him, is I'd be very worried about losing 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:12.960 the Senate. 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:14.640 Yes, because it's one thing. 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.960 It's not like he has an agenda, and they'll be 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:21.760 doing investigations and they're just gonna, like any investigation, you'll 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:25.800 start with the small fish fish to get to the 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.640 big fish. But if the Democrats take the Senate, it's 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:33.000 hard to imagine him not being impeached and thrown out 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.440 of office. I don't know if he cares at that point. 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.240 Maybe he's like, listen, I just made four billion dollars 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:40.319 over the course of a year. 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.040 I want to go spend some of it. 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:42.600 You know. 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.960 It's funny because it comes back to this idea. So 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.920 Donald Trump has this unitary executive theory, which means he's 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.800 the most powerful president ever because he's also installed a 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.679 Speaker of the House who is merely a sick of fan. 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:02.040 But the point of what you're saying, that he's governing 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:06.440 like a monarch, that is absolutely correct. And it's funny 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:10.280 because earlier on in his earlier on in the in 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:13.680 his first year, everyone was like, holy shit, he's governing 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.240 like a monarch. Because he's not. He's going to cancel 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.400 all the elections and do everything he can to stay 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.960 in power. I think since his polls have really just 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.800 degraded to such a point that even Tucker Carlson, who 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:29.640 again is not a spiritual leader, is not a liberal, 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:33.600 do not welcome him into any tent. But that even 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:35.760 these people are saying they have to get distance from 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.320 him in order not to alienate their base. There really 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:43.280 is a sense in which, like he is not governing 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.120 like a monarch, he's governing like someone who doesn't understand 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:46.800 that he's losing. 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.480 Yeah, but I mean I think I don't know, like 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.360 what does losing mean to him? 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:55.120 Do you know what I mean? 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.280 Like what Like I think losing to him means going 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.520 to jail or not having more money. And it seems 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.200 to me that like he's pretty confident that he's not 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.959 going to go to jail because they've basically like eliminated 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.400 almost all the mechanisms in which he could go to jail, 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.560 even after he's you know, been president. I mean any 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:17.040 you know, I'm sure they're shredding files somewhere in the 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:21.920 bowels of the Justice Department, and the guy has just 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.679 made I think I don't think we'll ever. 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:25.800 Know exactly how much. 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.160 I think it's just an extraordinary amount of money that 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.720 we can't even really sort of wrap our heads around. 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.760 And I think it's all been bribery through you know, 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:41.840 his his crypto and kickbacks from from foreign countries, and 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:45.800 I just and so I don't I don't know. I 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.720 think that's probably why. And then you know, I would 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:50.520 imagine there's also a certain amountestinility. 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.400 I mean, you know, you get to be his age. 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:55.880 I mean, I think at one point you're like, I've 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.120 basically I made it to the point where I can 0:11:58.160 --> 0:11:59.000 coast now. 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:03.000 Right, seventy nine years old he is, you know, when 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.360 he came into office, he was this time the oldest 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:10.079 person to ever be put in the presidency, the oldest ever. 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.800 So as old as Biden was, this guy's actually older. 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:17.880 And he did spend all of Biden's terms saying that 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.719 Biden was too old to be president. We can have 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.640 a question, we can have a conversation about that, for sure, 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:25.760 but it is, you know, Donald Trump is not old 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.400 in a vacuum. He is old in a world that 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:30.239 he created. 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.040 Yeah, and I think what we have is probably like 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.920 the portfolio that he interested himself in. You know, it's 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.680 clear somebody has said I mean I think just today 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:43.080 or yesterday, Ice said that they were going to cut 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.960 back on their most extreme tactics, right. I mean, there 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:50.560 are elements who are who feel like, oh, the Republican 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.480 Party has to have some type of future, we have 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:53.560 to mitigate something. 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.200 In some areas, it's like we don't want to. 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:56.839 And I don't know who that is. I don't know 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:58.800 if it's Susie Wiles or if it's. 0:12:58.840 --> 0:12:59.320 You know, JD. 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.520 Vance is in there. I mean he you know, he 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.600 wants a political future. We saw that also with you 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:09.360 know what's happening with the CDC now, despite the fact 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.120 that there's according to the Lancet, I think they came 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.840 out with a report this week saying that the CDC 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:21.640 was just decimated. Yeah, they are eighty percent short on staff. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.920 And they also just reportedly quashed a report that said 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.440 that the COVID vaccine cut the number in half of 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.439 people who would go to the er. Yeah for COVID, 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.559 but they've they have enough personnel to just make sure 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:37.480 they don't publish that. And there is some awareness that 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:39.120 we've got to pull back on some of these more 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:40.840 extreme things at least for the time being. 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.360 And I think we should talk about Maha because this 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:48.079 week RFK Junior did a number of insane hearings. So 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.840 he's he's talking to the House, he's talking the Senate 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:55.720 about cutting the funding for HSS. He's got, you know, 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:59.760 because that money needs to go to our more with 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.600 the ron or wildly unpopular war with the Iranians, which 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:08.080 was never explained to anyone but has ended up with 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:12.560 the straits of Hermos blocked and Donald Trump is like, 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.600 I don't today. He was like, I don't care about 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:16.760 this straits. We don't get anything from them. And I 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.840 was like, when you don't understand how dynamic pricing works, 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:24.840 when you don't understand when something is fungible. But I 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.400 want to like go back to this idea. There was 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.760 a coalition, like Donald Trump was able to make some 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:37.440 inroads with women voters because women love RFK Junior, not 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.920 women who have foreseene. But no, I'm just kidding, but 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:45.560 why do women love Why? How did this happen? 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:47.920 And you know years ago. 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.720 There, I mean, I'm thinking, like ten years ago, I 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:56.560 remember doing an interview with somebody who was talking about 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.080 this sort of like crossover between sort of the the 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:05.640 sort of new age and right wing circles. Yeah, and 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.240 and I think that's where it started. And I think 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.520 like there was some type of overlap between sort of 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:17.520 conspiracy and sort of like new age you know health 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:22.359 for like well beat wellness, it was the wellness uh community. 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:26.000 And I did a radio show with Bobby Kennedy for 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:31.080 several years after Air America with him and a one 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.240 of the biggest trial attorneys in the country. And you know, 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:41.000 I still go to conferences with tort lawyers, and there 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:45.320 is this strain of like you have a lot of 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:50.720 anti corporate fighters who were fighting corporations and they you know, 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.120 they see discovery and a lot of time these things 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.240 are settlements, and so this stuff doesn't necessarily get public, 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.200 and they see a lot of you know, horrific things 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:04.520 in terms of like corporate malfeasance and people willing to 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:08.040 sell products they know are harming people, and it is 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.840 hard for some not to be conspiracy minded about it. 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.560 And so you know, you see this crossover there, and 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.720 I think, you know, there's a lot of that with Mah. 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:22.120 And I think COVID was very difficult obviously for people, 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:26.320 both not necessarily the vaccine per se, but just. 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:27.840 I mean the experience of it. 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.160 There was the whole country was in trauma, and so 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:37.120 I think like the skepticism of vaccines was attractive to people. 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.920 And you know, sometimes like the way I would express 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:46.120 this in terms of like the efficacy of mentioning a 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:51.200 problem that plays on people's anxieties. Everybody, you know, mothers 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.960 are concerned about their children, their fathers too. As a society, 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.440 we're very nervous about our children. And I just remember 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:01.240 how Barack Obama won Iowa in two thousand and eight 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.920 when nobody gave him a chance and he started talking 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:08.440 about social security and he said, so scaredy is in jeopardy. Now, 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:13.960 social scarity was not in jeopardy, but he triggered the 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:26.800 anxieties of older people, people our age, my age, you know, like, 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:28.199 is social scarity gonna be? 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:28.400 There? 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.480 Can I get more? Et cetera, et cetera. And all 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.159 you have to do is bring up social Security. You 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.080 don't really even have to, like, you know, and just 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:43.480 remind people of their anxieties. And you know, Bill Clinton's 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.800 I feel your pain. You know, if somebody feels like 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:50.120 at the very least their anxiety is being articulated, that's 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:53.439 all it takes. And then, you know, you can go 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:57.200 down a rabbit hole. And the problem they're running into 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:01.320 with maha, as it were, to the extent that that's 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:04.879 a thing, but it's certainly some cohort of people, is 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:08.960 that there is a the Trump administration doesn't really give 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:14.399 a shit you And if there's money to be made 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:21.480 by you know, immunizing, yeah, immunizing roundup from or from 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:26.880 monsanto from or bear from any uh, you know, potential liability, 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.240 They're going to go for it. That runs contrary to 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:34.120 Kennedy's whole ethos to the extent that, like his anti 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.920 vax stuff has now been seen as a liability in 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.760 the White House. That seems to be turning as well. 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:44.040 And you know what we're watching with Kennedy at this 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:46.679 point is I mean, he was, it was on display yesterday. 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:49.560 It was fascinating when he was trying to justify Donald 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:53.399 Trump's math. You know, he said, when the if the 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.760 price goes up, you know, if it's one hundred dollars 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.280 and it goes up to six hundred dollars, that's a 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:02.440 six hundred percent increase. Now this is not really even 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.840 the point, but that's actually a five hundred percent increase, right. 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:10.960 But nevertheless, and he says, so if it's at six hundred, 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.359 it goes down to one hundred, that's a six hundred percent. 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:16.480 Now. Of course, what. 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.359 I found fascinating about this, on a couple of different 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.520 levels was one, if you want to know how Bobby 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:27.240 Kennedy lies and manipulates studies, sounds like he knows what 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.760 he's talking about. Like that's a perfect example, because I 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.880 think like even those of us who are like barely 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:36.200 math literally understand that you one hundred percent of a thing, 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:38.959 you can't reduce that more than one hundred percent. 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:41.920 You can multiract more. 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:43.840 Than one hundred percent, but you can't reduce it more 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:44.680 than one hundred percent. 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.600 I am no mass geness, but even I and. 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.680 So A, it was a great window into how he 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:55.000 thinks and manipulates and where he's willing to go in 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:58.240 terms of presenting his argument right. 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.800 And then the other thing was, here's a guy who. 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:03.960 You know when we saw this on display in the 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:07.560 hearings this week, like the Monsanto stuff, you know, out. 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:11.480 The window Mercury. Yeah, and for him like Mercury. 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.160 You know, he was on Mercury twenty two years ago 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.040 when he and Rolling Stone about the vaccines. 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:18.080 I mean, that's it. 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:20.479 And the idea that you know, the Trump administration allowing 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.720 more mercury in the air, I mean, I can tell 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:28.399 you it is a deep, deep obsession with mercury. And 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:32.840 having to sort of like cover and deflect during these 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:35.120 hearings about that and then getting in front of Donald 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:38.880 Trump and trying to essentially like he has an audience 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:44.560 of one now. And it shows how even from the perspective, 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:49.000 which I totally disagree with in terms of like, you know, 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:54.320 his conspiracy theories and what I think he genuinely believes. 0:20:54.359 --> 0:21:01.080 I think, you know, there's a you know, we could speculate. Yeah, 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:03.480 and I should say full disclosure, I have not talked 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:04.720 to him quite some time. 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:05.680 Probably. 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:11.199 Yes, I'm frankly disgusted by his behavior beyond you know, 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.879 the typical amount that I'm disgusted by everyone in the 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:19.040 in the Trump administration, but to watch how much he 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:22.080 is going to genuflect the Donald Trump. He has an audience, 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:24.760 have won, and I think people, you know, he has 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:30.119 sold out even those completely perverse and I think and 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:35.160 warped principles that he had. He has gone full mercenary now. 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:38.040 And I think that's I think they're for people who 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:40.639 were one issue voters, like Maha people. 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:42.560 I think that they're done. 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:47.480 They see Kennedy, you know, from their perspective, he you know, 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:50.080 the White Knight, went into the City of Sin and 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.560 he's now like become a swamp creature. 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:56.640 To mix many metaphors. 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:59.720 I like it. A fifth of all Trump voters, now, 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:03.679 this is the statistic guy. So did I believe that 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:08.440 Trump should be impeached. Really like that they've so flipped 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:09.399 that they are. 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:11.720 Now that seems high to me. 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:13.760 It does seem high. Wait, let me find it. 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:17.040 But I mean, look, there was there, there was. 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:21.119 A cohort of people who voted for him because they 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:27.720 wanted a an unnamed change to the system. And I 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:31.080 think for part of that cohort it has been immigration 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.919 has appalled them. The immigration policies have appalled them. They 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:37.959 didn't realize they were they were they were were going 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:41.240 to be a target, or just like how vicious it 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:43.320 would be, or that their friend would be a target, 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:45.800 or their parents or they're you know. And I think 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:50.240 for another course, like inflation's not down, wages are not up, 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:54.239 gas is now super expensive. I think they're like, what 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:56.400 the hell, You're just like the rest of them. 0:22:56.880 --> 0:22:59.600 So I actually am right, believe it or not. She 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:03.280 Elliott Morris, who's been on this podcast, one out of 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:09.840 every five twenty twenty four Trump voters supports impeaching the president. Wow, 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:14.119 that's our new paull at strengthen numbers. It's crazy, But 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:16.960 you know, these are voters. They were low A lot 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:21.520 of them were low information voters, low frequency voters. They 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:24.200 saw Joe Rogan. They saw something, you know, they saw 0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:27.560 a quick bit of he's going to make things less expensive. 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:29.920 Some of them hadn't vote. The younger voters have the 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:34.360 highest level of Trump or Mores, and you know, they 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:36.600 were like, this isn't what we wanted. 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:39.560 Yeah, I mean he ran as a change agent, and 0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:43.240 he was helped with that mission by I would argue 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:48.600 Kamala Harris by going around with Republicans and saying. 0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:53.399 He's outside. He's the outsider, right, I mean that that 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:54.080 was a problem. 0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:58.359 So you think Liz Cheney did not get the base excited. 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:00.960 It's not a question of getting the base excided. I 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:04.600 mean obviously she didn't, and she Yeah, there was a net. 0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:08.800 There was a cost associated with that, but from their perspective, 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:12.600 they thought there would be a plus. And all they 0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:16.640 were doing was reinforcing the narrative that Trump was trying 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:19.320 to run on again, which is I'm an outsider, I'm 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:21.439 a change agent. I'm going to come in there and 0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:25.560 they're going, ah, but you are an outsider, and we're 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:29.800 look at Will Well, here's the entire political establishment, you know, 0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:35.360 finding up against you. They were literally reinforcing what he 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.760 was trying to run, which is I'm going to bring change. 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:42.480 I'm not like in it was. It was a disaster. 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:45.040 And so I think a lot of people were just like, 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.199 particularly younger people, I don't know, you know, like if 0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:51.320 you're twenty five, were you really paying that much attention 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:54.920 to what the president was doing from sixteen to twenty. 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:55.840 You know what I mean? 0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:57.399 Like, no, you weren't. 0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:00.879 And you know, even if your third were you paying 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:04.560 that much attention? Maybe probably not? And here comes a 0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:05.160 change agent? 0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:06.200 You know you want change? 0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:06.960 That's it. 0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:10.359 So Sam, this is something I'm curious about because I'm 0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:13.159 writing about it. Like one of the things that struck 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:16.600 me that Harris had problems with was she was very 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:22.080 uncomfortable running against billionaires and she was very uncomfortable with 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:27.680 that kind of populous language that even Donald Trump, despite 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:31.720 having the richest cabinet and despite being quite rich, was 0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:34.879 able to embrace. Do you think that was toxic? 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:35.400 I don't. 0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:38.479 I mean, I don't know, you know, like you know, 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.280 who knows what's inside you know, anybody's head. 0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:42.560 But I think that, like. 0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:49.119 She had a history of moving around ideologically, so I 0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:51.280 think like she you know, I don't think anybody would 0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:56.439 ever have accused her of being an ideologue, and I 0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:58.760 think it was a function of like, who are the 0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:02.000 people around her doing debate prep with someone who is 0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:05.240 moonlighting because during the day they were serving as chief 0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:09.840 counsel for Google against the US government with their antitrusting. 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:14.360 Her brother in law was the top advisor, was counsel 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:17.480 for Uber. And they're going to bring in people who 0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:20.640 are like minded, and there's an you know, they they 0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:24.800 consider themselves non ideological, but at the end of the day, 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:30.360 they have a very corporate money centered ideology and and 0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:33.760 that is the way that they think. The corporate mentality was, 0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:36.919 you know, lay low, don't offend these donors. You know 0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:40.479 these people who are you know, Tim Walls is they're weird. 0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:45.000 Was one of the single most effective political messaging. 0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:45.240 I've ever seen. 0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:48.000 I've been doing it for twenty years, and they shut 0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:50.120 it down, and they shut it down. 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:52.240 It was one of the most effective things I've ever seen. 0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:53.359 It was brilliant. 0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:56.080 I don't know if he meant it, you know how, 0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:56.879 but it was. 0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:57.600 It was brilliant. 0:26:57.600 --> 0:26:59.479 And they shut that down because I think they were like, 0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:05.080 they wanted a constituency that looked like them, and uh, you. 0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:07.600 Know, you don't say you know, you know, you don't. 0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:11.399 Say weird, that's nice, that's just not appropriate in a 0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:14.840 political thing. And then you know, and then their hostility 0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:18.879 towards antitrust, I mean they and in frankly, you know, 0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:19.679 the Gaza stuff. 0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:21.760 Now, I wish. 0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:24.160 If the Democrats had only thought to do like an autopsy, 0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:27.080 not like a little lot, but to actually do an 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.919 autopsy and to find out what I mean, Look, we 0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:33.879 all know they're sitting on this autopsy because we. 0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:36.520 Make all the consultants look terrible. 0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:38.760 It makes the consultants look terrible. But it also is 0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:42.000 about Gaza. I mean, look's not kid. There were reporting 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:46.200 that Harris canvassers were basically told when they were coming 0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:49.000 back with like, we're getting a lot of Gaza responses, Like, 0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:52.520 we're no longer recording that, yeah, tell us the other responses. 0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:55.200 We're just not that's just no longer an option. They 0:27:55.280 --> 0:28:01.679 managed to alienate a lot of core constituencies probably voted 0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:04.040 for Harris, but they didn't go out and encourage other 0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:05.240 people to vote for her. 0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:08.000 Right, And that's the thing. Staying home is just as 0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:11.560 problematic or not getting other people out there. And that's 0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:14.320 why she lost those swing states, Sam Cedar, Will you 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:14.879 come back? 0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:16.120 Of course. 0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:21.480 Harry Littman is a former US attorney and the host 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:23.200 of the podcast Talking Feds. 0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:27.600 Hey everyone, it is our latest Molly Harry mashup, in 0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:33.560 which metical commentator and author Extraordinary Molly Jong Fast hits 0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:37.000 me with legal questions and I with turn fire with 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:38.880 queries about politics. 0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:41.720 Molly. Always great to see you and to chat with you. 0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:43.360 Who starts your call? 0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:46.440 So I'm going to ask you a question about the 0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:50.960 Supreme Court. Trump super mad about the tariffs, having some 0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:54.120 complaints about the tariffs. I'd love you to talk to 0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:58.640 us about what you think about the Supreme Court. There's 0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:01.120 like a whole docket of stuff that's going to you know, 0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:04.160 we're just about hitting Supreme Court season. I want you 0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:07.320 to tell us what you're looking at, what you're watching, 0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:08.520 what you're waiting for. 0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:11.400 Okay, yeah, glad to do it. You're right. 0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:14.600 The Court, unlike other institutions, they finish up, you know, 0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:16.720 at the end of the school year, rise and leave, 0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:19.280 get rid of everything one way or another. 0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:20.920 And that'll be at the end of June. 0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:23.480 And by the way, everyone will be watching close that 0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:27.120 day because that's the traditional time to announce retirements, and 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:29.160 all eyes will be on Thomas and Alito. 0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:31.760 Yeah. First, I just want to mention on the Twitter thing. 0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:33.400 He couldn't have been more. 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:37.920 Like apoplectic and disparaging, and yet he never even made 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.840 an attempt at a legal point. It was just this 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.600 must be bad for America because I wanted it. Two 0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:46.120 big cases everyone's sold their breath for. When you and 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:49.719 that last week they released something on Friday, people were wondering, 0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:53.320 will this be the day? The first thing everyone's waiting for, 0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:55.920 And it was argued, I think in the very first 0:29:56.120 --> 0:30:00.520 hearing time in last October is the voting rights. So 0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:04.600 you probably remember there's this what many people consider the 0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:06.240 most important piece of civil. 0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:09.120 Rights legislation, if not legislation. 0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:13.160 Period, that passed in the sixties, and it had two 0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:17.560 really important engines. Section five, which the Court has already 0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:22.400 done away with, and that gave the DOJ a opportunity 0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:26.520 to sort of push back against changes that certain states 0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:31.200 who had a history of discrimination made. There's also Section two, 0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:35.120 and that's been held anyway to be a test that 0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:40.600 if you put into play anything that is racially has biased, 0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:44.240 it can be challenged on that basis, and there's I 0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:48.400 think like twenty actual districts around the country, maybe more 0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:51.040 Molly where the people who are there are so called 0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:56.920 majority minority districts are because of that very section and 0:30:57.040 --> 0:31:00.320 courts having held you got to do better here or 0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:02.520 you're diluting the minority vote. 0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:03.959 That very section. 0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:08.080 Now there's indication the Court might want to strike down 0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:10.320 is unconstitutional, and. 0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:13.560 That would be seismic for the overall map. 0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:16.680 But and I think they will strike it down, but 0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:19.080 I don't think it'll be in time to change things 0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:22.560 for the midterms, maybe for twenty eight. And then finally 0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:26.400 everyone's waiting for the birthright citizenship case. I think the 0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:30.960 administrators are going to lose that one. It's just completely outlandish, 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:34.320 and the reports will go out around the land. Oh see, 0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:37.440 the Supreme Court isn't so bad, but those will be 0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:38.640 well overstated. 0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:41.120 Then, no, court, you couldn't write an. 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:47.120 Opinion upholding this completely countertextual interpretation in the fourteenth Amendment. 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:48.680 So it will continue to be the case. 0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:52.320 I think that anyone born here, whoever their parents are, 0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:55.000 will be an American citizen. 0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:57.280 And you know that's a pretty American idea. 0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:00.840 The Voting Rights Act dies but it's not in time 0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:03.920 for this mid term election, will be time for twenty 0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:04.400 twenty eight. 0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:07.040 I think that's right. And even twenty twenty eight, they 0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:09.720 got to draw new maps. You only draw new maps 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:13.440 after censuses. Of course, that hasn't stopped them now this term. 0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:16.240 We just had the big result in Virginia yesterday, which 0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:18.360 you know is more in your valley wick than mine. 0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:22.040 But so far that whole effort by DRS seems to 0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:23.920 be at best to kind of stale me. 0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:26.200 So I think it'd be weird even to try in 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:26.680 the middle. 0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:29.840 But certainly for the next census that's going to matter, 0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:32.800 and we'll see if Congress responds at all. They could 0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:36.560 reintroduce it, but especially if the opinion is like, oh, 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:38.480 this is unconstitutional Congress. 0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:39.120 Okay. 0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:40.160 I love talking to you know. 0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:42.960 It makes me think about there's all the big questions 0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:45.800 swirling around. I just talked to Rick Wilson, but it 0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.000 really puts me in mind of things that are every 0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:48.680 time I think of that. 0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:51.000 Ah, that's interesting. I got to asked Molly, and here's 0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:51.600 my start. 0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:55.280 Been a pretty humillion a couple of weeks for the 0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:56.960 Vice President of the United States, JD. 0:32:57.200 --> 0:33:00.000 Vance Trump seems maybe to be setting him. 0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:04.560 To take the blame in Aroan, even as sources close 0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:07.920 to him why to the media, the MVP never wanted 0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:08.520 the war. 0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:12.239 He drew this as you pointed out. 0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:15.720 Damn paltry crowd at the kind of right wing event 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:19.640 he used to start at. Are his political fortunes well 0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:24.640 and truly fallen? Would you say, or is there third act? 0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:26.920 I guess you'd have to call it because his first 0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:28.040 act was anti Trump. 0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:30.560 Is there a third act for him in the offing? 0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:34.560 Well, you'll remember what happened to Donald Trump's first vice 0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:38.440 president one, Mike Pence. First of all, even when you're 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:44.600 not the second fiddle for a complete narcissistic sociopath, it's 0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:48.040 a bad job. Even when you're just the vice president 0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:50.560 for a normal president, it's not a good job unless 0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:54.320 you're Dick Cheney. But I think in this case, I 0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:57.720 think Vance has a number of problems. One is he 0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:02.400 has this humiliation. He's been tasked with bringing peace to 0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:05.480 the Middle East, the Iranians. I think what Donald Trump 0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:08.640 has done with Iran is really kicked at Hornet's nest. 0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:12.720 You know, Trump has really been trying to de escalate 0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:16.440 the war in Iran. But the problem is that the 0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:19.399 Iranians are ideological in a way that I don't think 0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:23.759 Trump quite understands, and so he's not able to sort 0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:27.080 of back this train up. And I think it's a 0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:30.080 really tough job for Vance. But I think there's another 0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:32.879 tension here, which is that Trump is a lame duck. 0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:35.960 He's seventy nine, he pulls terribly and he's not running 0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:40.040 for reelection again. But he knows that the minute he 0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:45.279 chooses his successor, his power gets diminished even further. And 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:49.600 so the power he has to play JD Van's against 0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:52.239 Marco is sort of one of the last cards he 0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:55.480 has left. And so I think it is very unlikely 0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:59.840 that Donald Trump will make JD the heir of parent. 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.480 I think he'll do as much as possible to keep 0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:05.759 that question running for as long as possible. The other 0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:08.920 thing is that Jadvance is saddled with a really unpopular 0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:12.680 president who has made gas prices higher. And you know, 0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.239 it's so funny because it's like, there's so many reasons 0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:20.000 not to support Trump. His anti democratic stance is racism, 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:24.200 is sexism, is misogyny. But ultimately, the thing that seems 0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:26.560 like it's really doing it as the gas prices. 0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:30.399 Yeah, but that's really super interesting analysis. It's a very 0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.799 FASTI and fastree. And if I can say, because you're right, 0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:36.520 if that's writing wants to play him off against each other, 0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:40.040 that also suggests he doesn't kick Vance to the curb 0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:40.680 for a while. 0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:43.840 It works much better for him to have JD. Vance 0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:47.359 and Marco fighting over his love. And one of the 0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:50.880 things we saw was that the wife of Charlie Kirk, 0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:55.640 Erica Kirk, she endorsed Jadie Vance really early from turning point, 0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:58.360 and you could see like what it did was she 0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:01.399 lost her power that way. That's a mistake. You will, 0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.920 Nancie Trump, make your turn bring it so yesterday, I 0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:09.040 think in bat Shittery we had Todd Blanche up there 0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:12.160 and remember you know this is on the heels of 0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:15.360 the Bondie departure, which I think is relevant. Todd Blanch 0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:19.279 up there with Cash Fatteu indicting the Southern Poverty Law 0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:22.800 Center meaningful for any number of reasons, one of which 0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:26.600 is that they are the group that hunted the KKK. 0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:29.480 They have you know, been around forever. They have this 0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:32.520 cooked up case that they paid informant and somehow that 0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:36.120 is wire fraud. Isn't that what the FBI does? And 0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.840 also right, and also what the fuck go? 0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:43.760 Yeah, my two responds to that that's what the FBI does, 0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:48.320 and to what the fuck? It is a deeply intellectually 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:51.000 dishonest case. So, first of all, the wire fraud, the 0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:53.719 fraud here is supposed to be, and it's got to 0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:57.520 be all these a lot of specifics against the donors. 0:36:57.640 --> 0:37:00.319 The theory of the case is that you to the 0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:03.600 donors and said, please give us your money. We're working 0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:07.000 to ferret out extremism. We have a great track record, 0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:11.000 including with the KKK, And a very important way to 0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:15.160 do it is the way law enforcement always does it. Infiltry, 0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:18.080 get a confidential informant, pay them money. 0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:19.400 That's the whole big. 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:20.880 Risk in their life for you. 0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:22.160 Yeah, exactly. 0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:26.320 So, besides the sort of overall hypocrisy of it, it 0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:31.960 was sort of revoltingly political and dishonest in a way 0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:33.960 that others haven't been so far. 0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:35.239 Because you know, anyone who. 0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:37.920 Heard it, you scratch your wait what oh, it turns 0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:40.480 out that all this time we thought they were good guys, 0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:44.640 they actually were pro extremists. And then you take a 0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:50.640 step back and understand the just deeply bs theory of 0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:53.879 the case, and Plants stood up and said, all this time, 0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:58.719 and the indictment says they've actually been promoting extremism. And 0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:02.400 it's exactly as you say, Mollie, that if that's true, 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:07.040 then the FBI forever has been promoting the mob, promoting 0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:10.239 drug cartels, because it's the exact same way. Now they're 0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:14.640 trying very technically to say, well, maybe they defrauded donors. 0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:16.200 I don't think that's going anywhere. 0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:20.000 And then there are secondary things about they pay them. 0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:22.839 You can't you're not going to pay confidential informants where 0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:27.440 they check this as SCPC and supposing money laundering. But 0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:30.680 the basic idea they can try this technically, but the 0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:34.480 basic idea is just designed, it seems to me to 0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:39.640 mislead the American people, is for the headline, and a 0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:41.120 headline that they. 0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:44.320 Know is it's confusing because it seems like it can't be. 0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:48.799 And then when you look just one level deeper, you 0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:51.799 know it's just a total I think the legal term 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:56.680 would be bullshit case and it's really this is blanche 0:38:56.760 --> 0:39:00.400 you know, really trying to do BONDI one worse. 0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:04.080 But the notion this is the Department of Justice. 0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:08.080 They're to enforce the laws, you know, truth, justice, without 0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:11.919 fear or favor. And it's just a political hit, that's 0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:12.799 all it is. 0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:14.240 I don't think it'll last. 0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:17.799 But and you notice they didn't indict any people, just 0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:19.440 the organization itself. 0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:22.760 But even if somehow they can make. 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:25.200 In the Middle District of Alabama, a very pro Trump 0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:28.520 part of the world, make little things stick, it's really 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:33.279 important to understand the whole effort is just deeply dishonest 0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:33.960 and political. 0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:38.399 When they were talking about Cash Battel, who was screaming 0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:41.520 at a journalist when they asked him about the Atlantic 0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:45.880 reporting of his drunkenness, he said, well, a grand jury 0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:49.239 has indicted, so we know it's true and we know 0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:52.080 they did it. Just explain why that's not. That's not 0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:53.040 how any of this works. 0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:56.120 Well, we're where what people always used to say about 0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:59.160 grand juries, and especially the Middle District of Alabama is 0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:02.160 they can and you know, willn dydah Ham sandwich of 0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:04.560 and of course the administration has been serving up different 0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:07.279 kinds of sandwiches that grand juries have rejected. 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:09.359 But yes, it's child's play. 0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:13.480 And in my whole career, Molly I've only heard or 0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:16.560 been involved once in a case where the grand jury 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:17.760 refused charges. 0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:18.960 It wasn't even my case. 0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:23.160 It's exceedingly rare, except yeah, for the grand jury to 0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:25.640 say no. They typically sit there and say, you know, 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:29.120 and rubber stamp. That's a problem. People noticed it, which 0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:31.719 has made it all the more striking, the skein of 0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:36.560 failures by the Trump administration. But that is again, anyone 0:40:36.600 --> 0:40:40.240 with any sophistication knowledge knows that's the best you got. 0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:43.799 The grand jury said, that's that's another part of the 0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:46.560 whole fiction here, and again the most of the grand 0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:49.399 jury would have said has been persuaded in some technical way. 0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:51.279 The grand jury has not. 0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:59.000 Accused the spccre of actually supporting extremism. That is just 0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:02.759 a you know, total deceptive is a kind way to 0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:06.759 put what's really a bullshit charge. All right, So this, 0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:10.800 well you talked about Patel and man oh Man, he 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:13.920 comes right out of the box with that defamation suit 0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:16.560 against the Atlantic for all those allegations. 0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:18.920 We'll see where that goes and why he's doing it. 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:23.040 Also this week, Glori Chevez diremer Is, the Labor Secretary, 0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:26.920 has gone in the wake of some really Toddry allegations. 0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:31.640 My basic question you, Molly, is first, why does this 0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:36.640 administration produce such you know, outlandish scandals, really nasty stuff 0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:39.640 month after months? And is everyone in your sort of 0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:43.680 estimation is the American public so used to scandal now 0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:47.480 that there's no real political price to be made from 0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:51.120 this kind of conduct that you know, normally used to 0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:52.720 make people kind of gasp. 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:56.240 Well, remember, up until a few weeks ago, Donald Trump 0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:58.680 refused to fire people, and you just moved them around. 0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:02.200 So I do you think scandal's matter? He did that 0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:06.080 because scandal's matter because he knew how bad the optics were. 0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:10.160 So that is number one. Number two is I have 0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:12.560 a couple of thoughts about these women. So we have 0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:15.680 three women who have been fired from this administration, Lori 0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:21.319 Shabas Dreamer, Pam Bondi, and Christine Nom. Shavez Dreamer and 0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:26.080 Christine Nom have two very similar situations. Shabaz Dreamer has 0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:30.400 the father and husband who were both really problematic. The 0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:36.520 father probably is alleged to have harassed people in her 0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:41.840 orbit who worked for this government, treating government employees like 0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:45.239 you know, all three of them in the Shabaz Dreamer 0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:49.240 case treated government employees as if they were personal staff. 0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:51.920 With Nome, you had a similar situation, right. We have 0:42:52.000 --> 0:42:57.080 Corey Leuwandowski treating her government job like in ATM, and 0:42:57.120 --> 0:42:59.120 you have allegations there too, and. 0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:02.879 Both of them have a daughter resigne to them, right 0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:04.480 or thanks side right? 0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:07.560 No, but you don't get fired for adulter a at 0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:10.440 least not in the Trump administration. And I think also 0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:14.920 more importantly the adulter ay blew up for her during 0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:19.680 the hearing, which I thought was actually really interesting was 0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:22.120 that she kept being asked this question of whether or 0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:24.920 not she was having sex with Corey and she wouldn't 0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:28.000 answer it, maybe because Corey would have been mad at 0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:30.480 her for not doing it, Maybe because she didn't want 0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:32.320 to lie in her oath because she knew there was 0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:35.000 enough evidence to show that it was. Like either way, 0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:38.480 it's informative when you think about when you're going to 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:42.000 interview other members of this cabinet, because there are going 0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:45.520 to be endless I mean endless interviews with members of 0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:48.319 this cabinet any which way. So I just thought there 0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:51.200 were a lot of similarities between Dreamer and Nome which 0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:53.279 I think are worth noting. Ronnie is a little bit 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:55.400 of a different story. But I would say what I 0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:58.600 think is relevant here is that there are a lot 0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:02.640 of bad cabinet members trump World, from Cash Battel to 0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:04.800 Lutnik Meg. 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:09.360 Junior, yeah there where we're going, Yeah, who are. 0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:11.279 Bad at their jobs and who are probably going to 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:14.040 get fired. But I think it's noeworthy that the women 0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:16.600 have such a hard time hanging on. I don't necessarily 0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:19.480 think it's because they're worse. I think it's because the 0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:22.200 women of Maga have to twist themselves into such a 0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:26.000 pretzel to exist in Maga that there's just a lot 0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:28.880 more that can go wrong. And that's why you see, 0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:31.960 you know, you see these men sort of ruining their careers. 0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:34.960 You see just all sorts of second order effects that 0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:36.600 you might not be able to game out. 0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:38.799 Got it, Okay, bring it on. 0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:43.040 Yeah. My question for you is about the sort of 0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:49.120 Trump World's criminality, Like, for example, Christy Noom, now she's gone. 0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:52.759 There's all sorts of fraud questions, right the two hundred 0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:57.160 and twenty million dollars for the horseback riding movies. You know, 0:44:57.160 --> 0:45:00.239 they're just different smoking guns with a lot of these 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:04.520 cabinet members. If you're trying to go after what Christinome 0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:08.400 has done. Where would you start? What's the legal like, 0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:11.520 is that a federal crime? I mean, obviously the Trump 0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:14.120 DOJ is not going to prosecute this, but you don't 0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:17.640 want to miss the term limits. So can states prosecute this? 0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:17.920 Like? 0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:21.520 Could California prosecute this? And if so, what would it 0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:25.479 look like to try to start investigation into Christynome because 0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:28.720 obviously there's been a lot of really fraudulent spending. 0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:31.120 Yeah, so three quick points. 0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:34.000 First of all, I mean, the administration's been like a 0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:39.160 crime wave, including Trump himself. You think about the emolument's 0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:41.719 class stuff, You think about the part and stuff which 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:43.080 would play as a quid pro quoll. 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:45.279 We've somehow forgotten about. 0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:49.439 It because DOJ is going nowhere and impeachment hasn't been 0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:54.439 on the table. But the two impeachments were righteous, each 0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:57.520 of them in the first term. But we have one 0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:01.040 after the other after the other. That's point one. Point 0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:03.160 two where would you start federal crimes? 0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:06.719 DOJ? Oops? Point three? Can states do it? Because they 0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:07.560 won't do anything. 0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:09.640 Although I do want to point out there's going to 0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:13.600 be a big, big kind of internal debate if the 0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:17.640 Democrats win the presidency in twenty eight about whether to 0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:22.480 force criminal accountability for what has been a really both 0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:27.799 damaging and brazen wave of crimes, or whether you know, 0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:31.440 there'll be some voices saying yeah, yeah, yeah, but we 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:35.279 don't want to bog down our new power in that. 0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:38.719 But it's also the case balling increasingly. There's a lot 0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:41.359 of critics who said this that a federal crime could 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:42.160 be a state crimes. 0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:44.080 State crimes are the default. 0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:47.280 You know, there are ninety five percent of all criminal 0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:49.120 prosecutions in the country. 0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:49.680 Now. 0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:52.239 Of course, taking them on will be stepping on a 0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:56.600 hornet's nest. We already see Minnesota doing it with an 0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:58.840 assault by a nice agent. I think you're going to 0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:04.120 see charges that against the killers of Alex Preddi and 0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:08.239 Renee Good. But it's the case that New York's a 0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:11.919 very good example. It has a statute, it's a state statute. 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:14.800 But pretty much you, as with the Feds, you step 0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:16.600 foot in there and you do a fraud. 0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:18.040 People can go after. 0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:21.600 And I think it becomes a political question more than 0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:23.680 a sort of law school exam question. 0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:25.880 Does Letitia James. 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:28.319 Think, man, oh man, I've gotten beat up and I'll 0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:33.279 hold back. Do you know particular ags in particular jurisdiction, 0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:36.160 think I've got what I need to go forward. 0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:40.400 In general, we haven't seen very much of this, and. 0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:43.759 You would typically expect first that these would sound in 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:48.080 impeachment and second in federal court. And I just want 0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:51.799 to point out, had Bondie, say, been the subject of 0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:55.839 a criminal referral before she quit, I don't see how 0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:59.560 this administration, even this administration, would have gotten out of 0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:02.640 some kind of special counsel. So if there is a 0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:06.799 special counsel for certain high level violations, you might see 0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:09.040 it would be a civil war in the DOJ and 0:48:09.080 --> 0:48:11.880 the White House, and Trump would do everything that Nixon 0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:13.960 tried to do to squelch it and more. 0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:16.640 But that's also on the table. 0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:21.000 To me, it's basically a political question whether the Dems 0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:22.600 are going to want to go that way. And you 0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:25.840 know this better than I, but I detect a real 0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:30.080 kind of critical debate within the party over it. 0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:30.879 Follow up. 0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:33.480 I'm sorry to do this, but I have like legal questions. 0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:36.120 That's what that's why we're here. 0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:38.960 Who sets up a special counsel? Is that only the president? 0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:40.839 Or can other people do it? 0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:45.080 It's the Attorney general who finds under the regulations, and 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:48.360 there's no way around it. You could have a conflict 0:48:48.360 --> 0:48:51.920 of interest. But we just saw we've seen Todd Blant 0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:56.799 stand up and I'm sorry, say things that aren't true razenly. 0:48:57.400 --> 0:48:59.800 So could they stick it out and say no special 0:49:00.480 --> 0:49:05.200 Maybe all of these we found, to our chagrin, ultimately 0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:08.800 turn on political pressure. That and legal questions that the 0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:12.520 Supreme Court have settled in Trump's favor. But in theory, 0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:17.560 the AG says conflict trying to priminoid prosecute the Attorney 0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:21.640 General or the Labor secretary or the Secretary of Defense. 0:49:21.840 --> 0:49:25.400 I gotta do for appearances, I need a special counsel. 0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:27.960 Of course, if you cared about appearances, you wouldn't be 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:33.520 doing these completely raw, nasty, unjust reprisal prosecutions in the. 0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:34.680 First place, for sure. 0:49:34.719 --> 0:49:36.080 For sure, the broad. 0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:37.640 Question on my mind these days. 0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:40.600 Everything seems to be stacking up in DEM's favor for 0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:44.680 the midterms, But apart from their opposition to Trump, in 0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:47.239 many ways they don't seen so unified. 0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:49.479 Will that be enough to bring it home? 0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:52.480 What do the Dems need to do to stick the 0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:54.120 landing in the midterms. 0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:57.160 I think the House Democrats will win the House. I 0:49:57.160 --> 0:49:59.000 don't know what they do in Florida, but I think 0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:01.040 Democrats will win the House. I mean, I think they 0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:04.919 need to run anti Trump, which they will obviously very 0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:08.200 easy to do that. I think focusing on fraud, which 0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:12.160 is something that Trump wanted to do. He has One 0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:14.440 of the many things that JD. Van's his tasked with 0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:19.680 doing is a anti fraud remember, an anti fraud thing, 0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:23.759 which is completely ironic because Trump is engaging in all 0:50:23.800 --> 0:50:25.920 sorts of fraud. So I would run on fraud if 0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:29.719 I were Democrats. The Senate is the thing I'm watching 0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:35.200 the most closely. Alaska. A Democratic senator from Alaska would 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:39.080 be a big fucking deal. Iowa, Texas, I don't know. 0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:42.360 I don't want to get involved in Texas. It's too scary, 0:50:42.200 --> 0:50:46.759 but Iowa has all these empty open seats, and that 0:50:46.880 --> 0:50:49.440 seems like a real I don't know, Maybe they flip 0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:51.799 the governors, maybe they flip the Senate seat. You know, 0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:54.600 that's a jony earned seat. I could see that happening. 0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:57.960 There's just a lot of drama, Like the main Senate 0:50:58.120 --> 0:51:01.160 is a lot of drama. You know. The Platiner. I 0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:03.000 think Platner is going to be the candidate, But I 0:51:03.080 --> 0:51:07.480 don't know what happens with the platin Er Susan Collins matchup. 0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:11.000 I think that like Michigan, which seems like it should 0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:14.360 be a very easy one, is gotten so ugly in 0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:17.520 this three way runoff. And Michigan is a state that's 0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:20.359 very divided, that has a lot of Muslims, a lot 0:51:20.360 --> 0:51:23.440 of Jews, and you know, you have these three different, 0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:27.560 wildly different candidates, and that's a very late primary that 0:51:27.560 --> 0:51:30.640 doesn't happen until August, so I think that could all 0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:33.720 work against Democrats. So those are the things I'm watching 0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:37.320 and a little bit worried about if I were to worry, 0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:38.520 which I always do. 0:51:38.840 --> 0:51:42.759 Mollie, it's always a blast to be with ESCA next time, Thank. 0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:49.560 You, Harry. No moment in second Jesse Cannon. 0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:52.880 So, Mollie, you know, one of the things with conservatism 0:51:52.960 --> 0:51:55.080 is we're always trying to bring back the past. And 0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:57.080 you know the past that they try to bring back 0:51:57.160 --> 0:51:59.799 is very selective. But they've brought a new thing into 0:51:59.840 --> 0:52:03.000 the canon of the conservative past they're trying to bring back. 0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:03.920 Are you ready for it? 0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:04.480 Yes? 0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:05.880 Firing squads. 0:52:06.360 --> 0:52:10.239 The Department of Justice announce Friday that it will resurrect 0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:13.719 federal firing squads as part of its effort to implement 0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:18.160 Donald Trump's Day one executive order to remamp capital punishment. 0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:22.000 I hate capital punishment same. Do you know why I 0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:26.280 hate it? Tell me because it's terrible. It's killing people, 0:52:27.120 --> 0:52:32.080 and it is so terrible. But it's also very stupid, 0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:39.440 it's expensive, it is a really circuitous way to punish people. 0:52:39.880 --> 0:52:44.400 It's just so terrible. And like with everything in Trump world, 0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:47.520 when they've figured out something terrible, they want to make 0:52:47.560 --> 0:52:50.640 it even worse. So this would be a way to 0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:55.719 make capital punishment even worse than lethal injection. Just awful, 0:52:55.960 --> 0:53:00.880 awful stuff. Should be a shame, should be afraid the worst. 0:53:01.280 --> 0:53:03.839 Yeah, I dated someone who is involved with a lot 0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:06.719 of the pro bono defenses of some of people that 0:53:06.719 --> 0:53:08.879 people would be very shocked that they defended that word 0:53:09.000 --> 0:53:13.040 facing capital punishment, and you learn that it costs double 0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:15.160 the amount to do this that it does to keep 0:53:15.200 --> 0:53:17.000 someone in jail for life, which is a lot thing 0:53:17.040 --> 0:53:19.880 a lot of people don't risk. There's no good argument 0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:22.719 for capital punishment when we get so many prosecutions wrong 0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:25.239 in this country all the time. This goes to that 0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:26.960 thing that like some people are saying, Oh, it's the 0:53:26.960 --> 0:53:29.759 cruelty is the point. But this goes to the stupidity 0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:30.400 is the point. 0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:34.719 Yeah, it's so stupid, it's so gratuitous. It doesn't make 0:53:34.800 --> 0:53:37.719 any sense, it doesn't do anything. I mean, it's just 0:53:38.000 --> 0:53:41.520 more on it. I mean, like so much in Trump world. 0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:46.040 It's just the worst. It's violent, it's horrible. That's it 0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:52.279 for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, 0:53:52.520 --> 0:53:56.960 Thursday and Saturday to hear the best minds and politics 0:53:57.040 --> 0:54:01.320 make sense of all this chaos. If you enjoy this podcast, 0:54:01.680 --> 0:54:05.120 please send it to a friend and keep the conversation going. 0:54:05.560 --> 0:54:06.719 Thanks for listening.