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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and seventy seven percent of Americans blame

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Speaker 1: Trump for gas prices. We have such a great show

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Speaker 1: for you today. The Majority Reports Sam Seedar stops by

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Speaker 1: to talk President Trump's rapidly deteriorating health. Then we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to talking Feds Harry Littman about his productions for the

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Speaker 1: retirement of Justices Thomas and Alito. But first the news.

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Speaker 2: So, Molly, Trump has suffered a huge legal loss when

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Speaker 2: he tried to ban asylum seekers.

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Speaker 1: This is like exactly what we know about Trump. He

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Speaker 1: loses in the courts, and he's always losing in the courts,

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Speaker 1: and here he is more losing in the courts. So

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Speaker 1: US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled

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Speaker 1: to one that Trump could not deport immigrants under summary

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Speaker 1: removal procedures of his own making. So basically, he makes

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Speaker 1: does it. That's not going to fly here. So barring

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Speaker 1: So basically this is all illegal. And this is the

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Speaker 1: that it's a moral and a lot is that it's

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Speaker 1: also illegal. And that's where we are today, is that

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Speaker 1: Trump has yet again lost in the courts because none

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Speaker 1: day that ends and why another loss in the courts

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Speaker 2: So then when he's not losing in courts, we have

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Speaker 2: the DOJ being not even able to cook up these charges.

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Speaker 2: He tried to Trump up on Jeroan Powell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, cook the books. So Donald Trump really mad at

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Speaker 1: Jerome Powell because he wouldn't lower interest rates, so he

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Speaker 3: Jerome Pal.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the stupidest part of this whole story, and

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Speaker 1: the first time. So like, this is not some like

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Speaker 1: his buddy Bill Pulti, that he mismanaged the renovation of

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Speaker 1: the FED. There's no evidence to support it. And so

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Speaker 1: what happened here is that Tom Tillis, who was not

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Speaker 1: He's the Liz Cheney of the Senate. That guy was like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, You're not going to get handsome Kevin.

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Speaker 1: Remember handsome Kevin.

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Speaker 2: I don't stop thinking about it, especially after those flattering,

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Speaker 3: Miss right.

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Speaker 1: This is a call back to friend of the podcast,

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Speaker 1: Justin Wolfers, who had a there was handsome Kevin and

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Speaker 1: smiling Kevin Kevin Walsh versus Kevin Hassett. So Kevin Walsh

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Speaker 1: Trump wants him to be the FED chair. And what

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Speaker 1: this dumb investigation of Jerome pal By the way, I

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Speaker 1: You'll remember her from earlier seasons.

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Speaker 2: Bolly, how could she have botched this?

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Speaker 4: There's no way.

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Speaker 2: She's so good at everything she does, meeting drinking.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well again, we have many Fox News hosts in

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Speaker 1: this administration, all of whom are a complete disaster. But

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Speaker 2: One of the things, though, I think is always so funny,

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Speaker 1: He's on Fox Business with Maria Bartaroma. The money honey,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so as promised as kash Pttel has launched a

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Speaker 2: Sure enough, there is arrest records, people innundating the Atlantic

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Speaker 1: So cash Battel has sued the Atlantic. This is the

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Speaker 1: Yes. Sam Cedar is the host of The Majority Report.

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Speaker 1: Sam Cedar, Hi, Molly, Hi, thank you for coming on

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Speaker 3: My pleasure as always.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because it's like we're eighteen months

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Speaker 5: Yes, we're in like George W. Bush at his lowest

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Speaker 5: in many respects. I think, you know, that's because, like

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Speaker 5: I don't know, you know, I don't know what that

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Speaker 4: But yes, he's losing support.

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Speaker 4: Yes, because it's one thing.

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Speaker 5: It's not like he has an agenda, and they'll be

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Speaker 5: hard to imagine him not being impeached and thrown out

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Speaker 5: Maybe he's like, listen, I just made four billion dollars

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Speaker 1: But the point of what you're saying, that he's governing

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Speaker 5: Like what Like I think losing to him means going

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Speaker 4: I'm not like in it was. It was a disaster.

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Speaker 5: And so I think a lot of people were just like,

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Speaker 5: particularly younger people, I don't know, you know, like if

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Speaker 5: you're twenty five, were you really paying that much attention

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Speaker 5: to what the president was doing from sixteen to twenty.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Like, no, you weren't.

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Speaker 5: And you know, even if your third were you paying

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Speaker 5: that much attention? Maybe probably not? And here comes a

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Speaker 5: change agent?

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Speaker 4: You know you want change?

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 1: So Sam, this is something I'm curious about because I'm

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Speaker 1: writing about it. Like one of the things that struck

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Speaker 1: me that Harris had problems with was she was very

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable running against billionaires and she was very uncomfortable with

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Speaker 1: that kind of populous language that even Donald Trump, despite

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Speaker 1: having the richest cabinet and despite being quite rich, was

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Speaker 1: able to embrace. Do you think that was toxic?

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know, you know, like you know,

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Speaker 5: who knows what's inside you know, anybody's head.

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Speaker 4: But I think that, like.

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Speaker 5: She had a history of moving around ideologically, so I

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Speaker 5: think like she you know, I don't think anybody would

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Speaker 5: ever have accused her of being an ideologue, and I

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Speaker 5: think it was a function of like, who are the

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Speaker 5: people around her doing debate prep with someone who is

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Speaker 5: moonlighting because during the day they were serving as chief

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Speaker 5: counsel for Google against the US government with their antitrusting.

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Speaker 5: Her brother in law was the top advisor, was counsel

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Speaker 5: for Uber. And they're going to bring in people who

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Speaker 5: are like minded, and there's an you know, they they

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Speaker 5: consider themselves non ideological, but at the end of the day,

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Speaker 5: they have a very corporate money centered ideology and and

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Speaker 5: that is the way that they think. The corporate mentality was,

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Speaker 5: you know, lay low, don't offend these donors. You know

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Speaker 5: these people who are you know, Tim Walls is they're weird.

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Speaker 5: Was one of the single most effective political messaging.

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Speaker 4: I've ever seen.

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Speaker 5: I've been doing it for twenty years, and they shut

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Speaker 5: it down, and they shut it down.

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Speaker 4: It was one of the most effective things I've ever seen.

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Speaker 4: It was brilliant.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if he meant it, you know how,

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Speaker 5: but it was.

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Speaker 4: It was brilliant.

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Speaker 5: And they shut that down because I think they were like,

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Speaker 5: they wanted a constituency that looked like them, and uh, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, you don't say you know, you know, you don't.

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Speaker 5: Say weird, that's nice, that's just not appropriate in a

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Speaker 5: political thing. And then you know, and then their hostility

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Speaker 5: towards antitrust, I mean they and in frankly, you know,

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Speaker 5: the Gaza stuff.

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Speaker 4: Now, I wish.

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Speaker 5: If the Democrats had only thought to do like an autopsy,

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Speaker 5: not like a little lot, but to actually do an

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Speaker 5: autopsy and to find out what I mean, Look, we

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Speaker 5: all know they're sitting on this autopsy because we.

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Speaker 1: Make all the consultants look terrible.

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Speaker 5: It makes the consultants look terrible. But it also is

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Speaker 5: about Gaza. I mean, look's not kid. There were reporting

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Speaker 5: that Harris canvassers were basically told when they were coming

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Speaker 5: back with like, we're getting a lot of Gaza responses, Like,

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Speaker 5: we're no longer recording that, yeah, tell us the other responses.

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Speaker 5: We're just not that's just no longer an option. They

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Speaker 5: managed to alienate a lot of core constituencies probably voted

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Speaker 5: for Harris, but they didn't go out and encourage other

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Speaker 5: people to vote for her.

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Speaker 1: Right, And that's the thing. Staying home is just as

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Speaker 1: problematic or not getting other people out there. And that's

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Speaker 1: why she lost those swing states, Sam Cedar, Will you

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Speaker 1: come back?

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Speaker 3: Of course.

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Speaker 1: Harry Littman is a former US attorney and the host

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Speaker 1: of the podcast Talking Feds.

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Speaker 6: Hey everyone, it is our latest Molly Harry mashup, in

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Speaker 6: which metical commentator and author Extraordinary Molly Jong Fast hits

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Speaker 6: me with legal questions and I with turn fire with

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Speaker 6: queries about politics.

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Speaker 3: Molly. Always great to see you and to chat with you.

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Speaker 3: Who starts your call?

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to ask you a question about the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Trump super mad about the tariffs, having some

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Speaker 1: complaints about the tariffs. I'd love you to talk to

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Speaker 1: us about what you think about the Supreme Court. There's

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Speaker 1: like a whole docket of stuff that's going to you know,

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Speaker 1: we're just about hitting Supreme Court season. I want you

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Speaker 1: to tell us what you're looking at, what you're watching,

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Speaker 1: what you're waiting for.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, glad to do it. You're right.

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Speaker 6: The Court, unlike other institutions, they finish up, you know,

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Speaker 6: at the end of the school year, rise and leave,

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Speaker 6: get rid of everything one way or another.

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Speaker 3: And that'll be at the end of June.

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Speaker 6: And by the way, everyone will be watching close that

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Speaker 6: day because that's the traditional time to announce retirements, and

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Speaker 6: all eyes will be on Thomas and Alito.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. First, I just want to mention on the Twitter thing.

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Speaker 3: He couldn't have been more.

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Speaker 6: Like apoplectic and disparaging, and yet he never even made

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Speaker 6: an attempt at a legal point. It was just this

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Speaker 6: must be bad for America because I wanted it. Two

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Speaker 6: big cases everyone's sold their breath for. When you and

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Speaker 6: that last week they released something on Friday, people were wondering,

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Speaker 6: will this be the day? The first thing everyone's waiting for,

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Speaker 6: And it was argued, I think in the very first

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Speaker 6: hearing time in last October is the voting rights. So

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Speaker 6: you probably remember there's this what many people consider the

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Speaker 6: most important piece of civil.

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Speaker 3: Rights legislation, if not legislation.

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Speaker 6: Period, that passed in the sixties, and it had two

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Speaker 6: really important engines. Section five, which the Court has already

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Speaker 6: done away with, and that gave the DOJ a opportunity

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Speaker 6: to sort of push back against changes that certain states

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Speaker 6: who had a history of discrimination made. There's also Section two,

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Speaker 6: and that's been held anyway to be a test that

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Speaker 6: if you put into play anything that is racially has biased,

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Speaker 6: it can be challenged on that basis, and there's I

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Speaker 6: think like twenty actual districts around the country, maybe more

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Speaker 6: Molly where the people who are there are so called

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Speaker 6: majority minority districts are because of that very section and

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Speaker 6: courts having held you got to do better here or

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Speaker 6: you're diluting the minority vote.

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Speaker 3: That very section.

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Speaker 6: Now there's indication the Court might want to strike down

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Speaker 6: is unconstitutional, and.

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Speaker 3: That would be seismic for the overall map.

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Speaker 6: But and I think they will strike it down, but

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Speaker 6: I don't think it'll be in time to change things

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Speaker 6: for the midterms, maybe for twenty eight. And then finally

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Speaker 6: everyone's waiting for the birthright citizenship case. I think the

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Speaker 6: administrators are going to lose that one. It's just completely outlandish,

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Speaker 6: and the reports will go out around the land. Oh see,

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Speaker 6: the Supreme Court isn't so bad, but those will be

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Speaker 6: well overstated.

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Speaker 3: Then, no, court, you couldn't write an.

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Speaker 6: Opinion upholding this completely countertextual interpretation in the fourteenth Amendment.

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Speaker 3: So it will continue to be the case.

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Speaker 6: I think that anyone born here, whoever their parents are,

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Speaker 6: will be an American citizen.

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Speaker 3: And you know that's a pretty American idea.

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Speaker 1: The Voting Rights Act dies but it's not in time

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Speaker 1: for this mid term election, will be time for twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty eight.

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Speaker 6: I think that's right. And even twenty twenty eight, they

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Speaker 6: got to draw new maps. You only draw new maps

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Speaker 6: after censuses. Of course, that hasn't stopped them now this term.

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Speaker 6: We just had the big result in Virginia yesterday, which

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Speaker 6: you know is more in your valley wick than mine.

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Speaker 6: But so far that whole effort by DRS seems to

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Speaker 6: be at best to kind of stale me.

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Speaker 3: So I think it'd be weird even to try in

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Speaker 3: the middle.

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Speaker 6: But certainly for the next census that's going to matter,

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Speaker 6: and we'll see if Congress responds at all. They could

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Speaker 6: reintroduce it, but especially if the opinion is like, oh,

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Speaker 6: this is unconstitutional Congress.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: I love talking to you know.

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Speaker 6: It makes me think about there's all the big questions

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Speaker 6: swirling around. I just talked to Rick Wilson, but it

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Speaker 6: really puts me in mind of things that are every

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Speaker 6: time I think of that.

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Speaker 3: Ah, that's interesting. I got to asked Molly, and here's

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Speaker 3: my start.

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Speaker 6: Been a pretty humillion a couple of weeks for the

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Speaker 6: Vice President of the United States, JD.

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Speaker 3: Vance Trump seems maybe to be setting him.

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Speaker 6: To take the blame in Aroan, even as sources close

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Speaker 6: to him why to the media, the MVP never wanted

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Speaker 6: the war.

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Speaker 3: He drew this as you pointed out.

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Speaker 6: Damn paltry crowd at the kind of right wing event

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Speaker 6: he used to start at. Are his political fortunes well

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Speaker 6: and truly fallen? Would you say, or is there third act?

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Speaker 6: I guess you'd have to call it because his first

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Speaker 6: act was anti Trump.

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Speaker 3: Is there a third act for him in the offing?

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Speaker 1: Well, you'll remember what happened to Donald Trump's first vice

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Speaker 1: president one, Mike Pence. First of all, even when you're

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Speaker 1: not the second fiddle for a complete narcissistic sociopath, it's

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Speaker 1: a bad job. Even when you're just the vice president

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Speaker 1: for a normal president, it's not a good job unless

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Speaker 1: you're Dick Cheney. But I think in this case, I

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Speaker 1: think Vance has a number of problems. One is he

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Speaker 1: has this humiliation. He's been tasked with bringing peace to

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Speaker 1: the Middle East, the Iranians. I think what Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: has done with Iran is really kicked at Hornet's nest.

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Speaker 1: You know, Trump has really been trying to de escalate

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Speaker 1: the war in Iran. But the problem is that the

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Speaker 1: Iranians are ideological in a way that I don't think

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Speaker 1: Trump quite understands, and so he's not able to sort

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Speaker 1: of back this train up. And I think it's a

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Speaker 1: really tough job for Vance. But I think there's another

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Speaker 1: tension here, which is that Trump is a lame duck.

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Speaker 1: He's seventy nine, he pulls terribly and he's not running

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Speaker 1: for reelection again. But he knows that the minute he

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Speaker 1: chooses his successor, his power gets diminished even further. And

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Speaker 1: so the power he has to play JD Van's against

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Speaker 1: Marco is sort of one of the last cards he

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Speaker 1: has left. And so I think it is very unlikely

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump will make JD the heir of parent.

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Speaker 1: I think he'll do as much as possible to keep

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Speaker 1: that question running for as long as possible. The other

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Speaker 1: thing is that Jadvance is saddled with a really unpopular

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Speaker 1: president who has made gas prices higher. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it's so funny because it's like, there's so many reasons

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Speaker 1: not to support Trump. His anti democratic stance is racism,

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Speaker 1: is sexism, is misogyny. But ultimately, the thing that seems

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Speaker 1: like it's really doing it as the gas prices.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but that's really super interesting analysis. It's a very

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Speaker 6: FASTI and fastree. And if I can say, because you're right,

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Speaker 6: if that's writing wants to play him off against each other,

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Speaker 6: that also suggests he doesn't kick Vance to the curb

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Speaker 6: for a while.

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Speaker 1: It works much better for him to have JD. Vance

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Speaker 1: and Marco fighting over his love. And one of the

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Speaker 1: things we saw was that the wife of Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 1: Erica Kirk, she endorsed Jadie Vance really early from turning point,

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Speaker 1: and you could see like what it did was she

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Speaker 1: lost her power that way. That's a mistake. You will,

658
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Speaker 1: Nancie Trump, make your turn bring it so yesterday, I

659
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Speaker 1: think in bat Shittery we had Todd Blanche up there

660
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Speaker 1: and remember you know this is on the heels of

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Speaker 1: the Bondie departure, which I think is relevant. Todd Blanch

662
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Speaker 1: up there with Cash Fatteu indicting the Southern Poverty Law

663
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Speaker 1: Center meaningful for any number of reasons, one of which

664
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Speaker 1: is that they are the group that hunted the KKK.

665
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Speaker 1: They have you know, been around forever. They have this

666
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Speaker 1: cooked up case that they paid informant and somehow that

667
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Speaker 1: is wire fraud. Isn't that what the FBI does? And

668
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Speaker 1: also right, and also what the fuck go?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, my two responds to that that's what the FBI does,

670
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Speaker 6: and to what the fuck? It is a deeply intellectually

671
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Speaker 6: dishonest case. So, first of all, the wire fraud, the

672
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Speaker 6: fraud here is supposed to be, and it's got to

673
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Speaker 6: be all these a lot of specifics against the donors.

674
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Speaker 6: The theory of the case is that you to the

675
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Speaker 6: donors and said, please give us your money. We're working

676
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Speaker 6: to ferret out extremism. We have a great track record,

677
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Speaker 6: including with the KKK, And a very important way to

678
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Speaker 6: do it is the way law enforcement always does it. Infiltry,

679
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Speaker 6: get a confidential informant, pay them money.

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Speaker 3: That's the whole big.

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Speaker 1: Risk in their life for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 6: So, besides the sort of overall hypocrisy of it, it

684
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Speaker 6: was sort of revoltingly political and dishonest in a way

685
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Speaker 6: that others haven't been so far.

686
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Speaker 3: Because you know, anyone who.

687
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Speaker 6: Heard it, you scratch your wait what oh, it turns

688
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Speaker 6: out that all this time we thought they were good guys,

689
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Speaker 6: they actually were pro extremists. And then you take a

690
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Speaker 6: step back and understand the just deeply bs theory of

691
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Speaker 6: the case, and Plants stood up and said, all this time,

692
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Speaker 6: and the indictment says they've actually been promoting extremism. And

693
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Speaker 6: it's exactly as you say, Mollie, that if that's true,

694
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Speaker 6: then the FBI forever has been promoting the mob, promoting

695
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Speaker 6: drug cartels, because it's the exact same way. Now they're

696
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Speaker 6: trying very technically to say, well, maybe they defrauded donors.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's going anywhere.

698
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Speaker 6: And then there are secondary things about they pay them.

699
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Speaker 6: You can't you're not going to pay confidential informants where

700
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Speaker 6: they check this as SCPC and supposing money laundering. But

701
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Speaker 6: the basic idea they can try this technically, but the

702
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Speaker 6: basic idea is just designed, it seems to me to

703
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Speaker 6: mislead the American people, is for the headline, and a

704
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Speaker 6: headline that they.

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Speaker 3: Know is it's confusing because it seems like it can't be.

706
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Speaker 6: And then when you look just one level deeper, you

707
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 6: know it's just a total I think the legal term

708
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Speaker 6: would be bullshit case and it's really this is blanche

709
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Speaker 6: you know, really trying to do BONDI one worse.

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Speaker 3: But the notion this is the Department of Justice.

711
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Speaker 6: They're to enforce the laws, you know, truth, justice, without

712
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Speaker 6: fear or favor. And it's just a political hit, that's

713
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Speaker 6: all it is.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it'll last.

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Speaker 6: But and you notice they didn't indict any people, just

716
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Speaker 6: the organization itself.

717
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Speaker 3: But even if somehow they can make.

718
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Speaker 6: In the Middle District of Alabama, a very pro Trump

719
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 6: part of the world, make little things stick, it's really

720
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Speaker 6: important to understand the whole effort is just deeply dishonest

721
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Speaker 6: and political.

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Speaker 1: When they were talking about Cash Battel, who was screaming

723
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Speaker 1: at a journalist when they asked him about the Atlantic

724
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Speaker 1: reporting of his drunkenness, he said, well, a grand jury

725
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Speaker 1: has indicted, so we know it's true and we know

726
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Speaker 1: they did it. Just explain why that's not. That's not

727
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Speaker 1: how any of this works.

728
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Speaker 6: Well, we're where what people always used to say about

729
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Speaker 6: grand juries, and especially the Middle District of Alabama is

730
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Speaker 6: they can and you know, willn dydah Ham sandwich of

731
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Speaker 6: and of course the administration has been serving up different

732
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Speaker 6: kinds of sandwiches that grand juries have rejected.

733
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Speaker 3: But yes, it's child's play.

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Speaker 6: And in my whole career, Molly I've only heard or

735
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Speaker 6: been involved once in a case where the grand jury

736
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Speaker 6: refused charges.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't even my case.

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Speaker 6: It's exceedingly rare, except yeah, for the grand jury to

739
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Speaker 6: say no. They typically sit there and say, you know,

740
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Speaker 6: and rubber stamp. That's a problem. People noticed it, which

741
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Speaker 6: has made it all the more striking, the skein of

742
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Speaker 6: failures by the Trump administration. But that is again, anyone

743
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Speaker 6: with any sophistication knowledge knows that's the best you got.

744
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Speaker 6: The grand jury said, that's that's another part of the

745
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Speaker 6: whole fiction here, and again the most of the grand

746
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Speaker 6: jury would have said has been persuaded in some technical way.

747
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Speaker 3: The grand jury has not.

748
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Speaker 6: Accused the spccre of actually supporting extremism. That is just

749
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Speaker 6: a you know, total deceptive is a kind way to

750
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Speaker 6: put what's really a bullshit charge. All right, So this,

751
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Speaker 6: well you talked about Patel and man oh Man, he

752
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 6: comes right out of the box with that defamation suit

753
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Speaker 6: against the Atlantic for all those allegations.

754
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Speaker 3: We'll see where that goes and why he's doing it.

755
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Speaker 6: Also this week, Glori Chevez diremer Is, the Labor Secretary,

756
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Speaker 6: has gone in the wake of some really Toddry allegations.

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Speaker 6: My basic question you, Molly, is first, why does this

758
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Speaker 6: administration produce such you know, outlandish scandals, really nasty stuff

759
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Speaker 6: month after months? And is everyone in your sort of

760
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Speaker 6: estimation is the American public so used to scandal now

761
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Speaker 6: that there's no real political price to be made from

762
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Speaker 6: this kind of conduct that you know, normally used to

763
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Speaker 6: make people kind of gasp.

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Speaker 1: Well, remember, up until a few weeks ago, Donald Trump

765
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Speaker 1: refused to fire people, and you just moved them around.

766
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Speaker 1: So I do you think scandal's matter? He did that

767
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Speaker 1: because scandal's matter because he knew how bad the optics were.

768
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Speaker 1: So that is number one. Number two is I have

769
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Speaker 1: a couple of thoughts about these women. So we have

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Speaker 1: three women who have been fired from this administration, Lori

771
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Speaker 1: Shabas Dreamer, Pam Bondi, and Christine Nom. Shavez Dreamer and

772
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Speaker 1: Christine Nom have two very similar situations. Shabaz Dreamer has

773
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Speaker 1: the father and husband who were both really problematic. The

774
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Speaker 1: father probably is alleged to have harassed people in her

775
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Speaker 1: orbit who worked for this government, treating government employees like

776
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Speaker 1: you know, all three of them in the Shabaz Dreamer

777
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Speaker 1: case treated government employees as if they were personal staff.

778
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Speaker 1: With Nome, you had a similar situation, right. We have

779
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Speaker 1: Corey Leuwandowski treating her government job like in ATM, and

780
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Speaker 1: you have allegations there too, and.

781
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Speaker 6: Both of them have a daughter resigne to them, right

782
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Speaker 6: or thanks side right?

783
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Speaker 1: No, but you don't get fired for adulter a at

784
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Speaker 1: least not in the Trump administration. And I think also

785
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Speaker 1: more importantly the adulter ay blew up for her during

786
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Speaker 1: the hearing, which I thought was actually really interesting was

787
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Speaker 1: that she kept being asked this question of whether or

788
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: not she was having sex with Corey and she wouldn't

789
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Speaker 1: answer it, maybe because Corey would have been mad at

790
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Speaker 1: her for not doing it, Maybe because she didn't want

791
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Speaker 1: to lie in her oath because she knew there was

792
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Speaker 1: enough evidence to show that it was. Like either way,

793
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Speaker 1: it's informative when you think about when you're going to

794
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Speaker 1: interview other members of this cabinet, because there are going

795
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Speaker 1: to be endless I mean endless interviews with members of

796
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Speaker 1: this cabinet any which way. So I just thought there

797
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Speaker 1: were a lot of similarities between Dreamer and Nome which

798
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Speaker 1: I think are worth noting. Ronnie is a little bit

799
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Speaker 1: of a different story. But I would say what I

800
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Speaker 1: think is relevant here is that there are a lot

801
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Speaker 1: of bad cabinet members trump World, from Cash Battel to

802
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Speaker 1: Lutnik Meg.

803
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Speaker 3: Junior, yeah there where we're going, Yeah, who are.

804
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Speaker 1: Bad at their jobs and who are probably going to

805
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Speaker 1: get fired. But I think it's noeworthy that the women

806
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Speaker 1: have such a hard time hanging on. I don't necessarily

807
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Speaker 1: think it's because they're worse. I think it's because the

808
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Speaker 1: women of Maga have to twist themselves into such a

809
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: pretzel to exist in Maga that there's just a lot

810
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Speaker 1: more that can go wrong. And that's why you see,

811
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Speaker 1: you know, you see these men sort of ruining their careers.

812
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Speaker 1: You see just all sorts of second order effects that

813
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Speaker 1: you might not be able to game out.

814
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Speaker 3: Got it, Okay, bring it on.

815
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Speaker 1: Yeah. My question for you is about the sort of

816
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Speaker 1: Trump World's criminality, Like, for example, Christy Noom, now she's gone.

817
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of fraud questions, right the two hundred

818
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Speaker 1: and twenty million dollars for the horseback riding movies. You know,

819
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Speaker 1: they're just different smoking guns with a lot of these

820
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Speaker 1: cabinet members. If you're trying to go after what Christinome

821
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Speaker 1: has done. Where would you start? What's the legal like,

822
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Speaker 1: is that a federal crime? I mean, obviously the Trump

823
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Speaker 1: DOJ is not going to prosecute this, but you don't

824
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Speaker 1: want to miss the term limits. So can states prosecute this?

825
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Speaker 3: Like?

826
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Speaker 1: Could California prosecute this? And if so, what would it

827
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Speaker 1: look like to try to start investigation into Christynome because

828
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Speaker 1: obviously there's been a lot of really fraudulent spending.

829
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so three quick points.

830
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Speaker 6: First of all, I mean, the administration's been like a

831
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Speaker 6: crime wave, including Trump himself. You think about the emolument's

832
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Speaker 6: class stuff, You think about the part and stuff which

833
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Speaker 6: would play as a quid pro quoll.

834
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Speaker 3: We've somehow forgotten about.

835
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Speaker 6: It because DOJ is going nowhere and impeachment hasn't been

836
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Speaker 6: on the table. But the two impeachments were righteous, each

837
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Speaker 6: of them in the first term. But we have one

838
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Speaker 6: after the other after the other. That's point one. Point

839
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Speaker 6: two where would you start federal crimes?

840
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Speaker 3: DOJ? Oops? Point three? Can states do it? Because they

841
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Speaker 3: won't do anything.

842
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Speaker 6: Although I do want to point out there's going to

843
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Speaker 6: be a big, big kind of internal debate if the

844
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Speaker 6: Democrats win the presidency in twenty eight about whether to

845
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Speaker 6: force criminal accountability for what has been a really both

846
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 6: damaging and brazen wave of crimes, or whether you know,

847
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Speaker 6: there'll be some voices saying yeah, yeah, yeah, but we

848
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Speaker 6: don't want to bog down our new power in that.

849
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Speaker 6: But it's also the case balling increasingly. There's a lot

850
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Speaker 6: of critics who said this that a federal crime could

851
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Speaker 6: be a state crimes.

852
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Speaker 3: State crimes are the default.

853
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Speaker 6: You know, there are ninety five percent of all criminal

854
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Speaker 6: prosecutions in the country.

855
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Speaker 3: Now.

856
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Speaker 6: Of course, taking them on will be stepping on a

857
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Speaker 6: hornet's nest. We already see Minnesota doing it with an

858
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Speaker 6: assault by a nice agent. I think you're going to

859
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Speaker 6: see charges that against the killers of Alex Preddi and

860
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Speaker 6: Renee Good. But it's the case that New York's a

861
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Speaker 6: very good example. It has a statute, it's a state statute.

862
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Speaker 6: But pretty much you, as with the Feds, you step

863
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Speaker 6: foot in there and you do a fraud.

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Speaker 3: People can go after.

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Speaker 6: And I think it becomes a political question more than

866
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Speaker 6: a sort of law school exam question.

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Speaker 3: Does Letitia James.

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Speaker 6: Think, man, oh man, I've gotten beat up and I'll

869
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Speaker 6: hold back. Do you know particular ags in particular jurisdiction,

870
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Speaker 6: think I've got what I need to go forward.

871
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Speaker 3: In general, we haven't seen very much of this, and.

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Speaker 6: You would typically expect first that these would sound in

873
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Speaker 6: impeachment and second in federal court. And I just want

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Speaker 6: to point out, had Bondie, say, been the subject of

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Speaker 6: a criminal referral before she quit, I don't see how

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Speaker 6: this administration, even this administration, would have gotten out of

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Speaker 6: some kind of special counsel. So if there is a

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Speaker 6: special counsel for certain high level violations, you might see

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Speaker 6: it would be a civil war in the DOJ and

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Speaker 6: the White House, and Trump would do everything that Nixon

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Speaker 6: tried to do to squelch it and more.

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Speaker 3: But that's also on the table.

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Speaker 6: To me, it's basically a political question whether the Dems

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Speaker 6: are going to want to go that way. And you

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Speaker 6: know this better than I, but I detect a real

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Speaker 6: kind of critical debate within the party over it.

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Speaker 3: Follow up.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to do this, but I have like legal questions.

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Speaker 3: That's what that's why we're here.

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Speaker 1: Who sets up a special counsel? Is that only the president?

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Speaker 1: Or can other people do it?

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Speaker 6: It's the Attorney general who finds under the regulations, and

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Speaker 6: there's no way around it. You could have a conflict

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Speaker 6: of interest. But we just saw we've seen Todd Blant

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Speaker 6: stand up and I'm sorry, say things that aren't true razenly.

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Speaker 6: So could they stick it out and say no special

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Speaker 6: Maybe all of these we found, to our chagrin, ultimately

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Speaker 6: turn on political pressure. That and legal questions that the

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court have settled in Trump's favor. But in theory,

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Speaker 6: the AG says conflict trying to priminoid prosecute the Attorney

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Speaker 6: General or the Labor secretary or the Secretary of Defense.

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Speaker 6: I gotta do for appearances, I need a special counsel.

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Speaker 6: Of course, if you cared about appearances, you wouldn't be

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Speaker 6: doing these completely raw, nasty, unjust reprisal prosecutions in the.

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Speaker 3: First place, for sure.

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Speaker 1: For sure, the broad.

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Speaker 3: Question on my mind these days.

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Speaker 6: Everything seems to be stacking up in DEM's favor for

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Speaker 6: the midterms, But apart from their opposition to Trump, in

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Speaker 6: many ways they don't seen so unified.

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Speaker 3: Will that be enough to bring it home?

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Speaker 6: What do the Dems need to do to stick the

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Speaker 6: landing in the midterms.

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Speaker 1: I think the House Democrats will win the House. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what they do in Florida, but I think

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Speaker 1: Democrats will win the House. I mean, I think they

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Speaker 1: need to run anti Trump, which they will obviously very

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Speaker 1: easy to do that. I think focusing on fraud, which

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Speaker 1: is something that Trump wanted to do. He has One

920
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Speaker 1: of the many things that JD. Van's his tasked with

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Speaker 1: doing is a anti fraud remember, an anti fraud thing,

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Speaker 1: which is completely ironic because Trump is engaging in all

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Speaker 1: sorts of fraud. So I would run on fraud if

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Speaker 1: I were Democrats. The Senate is the thing I'm watching

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Speaker 1: the most closely. Alaska. A Democratic senator from Alaska would

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Speaker 1: be a big fucking deal. Iowa, Texas, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get involved in Texas. It's too scary,

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Speaker 1: but Iowa has all these empty open seats, and that

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Speaker 1: seems like a real I don't know, Maybe they flip

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Speaker 1: the governors, maybe they flip the Senate seat. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's a jony earned seat. I could see that happening.

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Speaker 1: There's just a lot of drama, Like the main Senate

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Speaker 1: is a lot of drama. You know. The Platiner. I

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Speaker 1: think Platner is going to be the candidate, But I

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Speaker 1: don't know what happens with the platin Er Susan Collins matchup.

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Speaker 1: I think that like Michigan, which seems like it should

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Speaker 1: be a very easy one, is gotten so ugly in

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Speaker 1: this three way runoff. And Michigan is a state that's

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Speaker 1: very divided, that has a lot of Muslims, a lot

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Speaker 1: of Jews, and you know, you have these three different,

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Speaker 1: wildly different candidates, and that's a very late primary that

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen until August, so I think that could all

943
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Speaker 1: work against Democrats. So those are the things I'm watching

944
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Speaker 1: and a little bit worried about if I were to worry,

945
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Speaker 1: which I always do.

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Speaker 3: Mollie, it's always a blast to be with ESCA next time, Thank.

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Speaker 1: You, Harry. No moment in second Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 2: So, Mollie, you know, one of the things with conservatism

949
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Speaker 2: is we're always trying to bring back the past. And

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Speaker 2: you know the past that they try to bring back

951
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Speaker 2: is very selective. But they've brought a new thing into

952
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Speaker 2: the canon of the conservative past they're trying to bring back.

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Speaker 2: Are you ready for it?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Firing squads.

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Speaker 1: The Department of Justice announce Friday that it will resurrect

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Speaker 1: federal firing squads as part of its effort to implement

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's Day one executive order to remamp capital punishment.

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Speaker 1: I hate capital punishment same. Do you know why I

960
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Speaker 1: hate it? Tell me because it's terrible. It's killing people,

961
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Speaker 1: and it is so terrible. But it's also very stupid,

962
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Speaker 1: it's expensive, it is a really circuitous way to punish people.

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Speaker 1: It's just so terrible. And like with everything in Trump world,

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Speaker 1: when they've figured out something terrible, they want to make

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Speaker 1: it even worse. So this would be a way to

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Speaker 1: make capital punishment even worse than lethal injection. Just awful,

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Speaker 1: awful stuff. Should be a shame, should be afraid the worst.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I dated someone who is involved with a lot

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Speaker 2: of the pro bono defenses of some of people that

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Speaker 2: people would be very shocked that they defended that word

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Speaker 2: facing capital punishment, and you learn that it costs double

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Speaker 2: the amount to do this that it does to keep

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Speaker 2: someone in jail for life, which is a lot thing

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Speaker 2: a lot of people don't risk. There's no good argument

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Speaker 2: for capital punishment when we get so many prosecutions wrong

976
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Speaker 2: in this country all the time. This goes to that

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Speaker 2: thing that like some people are saying, Oh, it's the

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Speaker 2: cruelty is the point. But this goes to the stupidity

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Speaker 2: is the point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so stupid, it's so gratuitous. It doesn't make

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Speaker 1: any sense, it doesn't do anything. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 1: more on it. I mean, like so much in Trump world.

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Speaker 1: It's just the worst. It's violent, it's horrible. That's it

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