1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 2: This is the best of with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Riley Gaines is with 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: us now of OutKick And she was a top swimmer 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: as you will call and swim against the guy who 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: swam then as a girl. Riley, appreciate you being with us. 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: The ad that everybody has been talking about post election results, 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: So I think after people have seen what really resonated 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,319 Speaker 1: and what the numbers were. Right now the data are 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: in and the ad was She's or he meeting Trump 11 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: is for you, she meaning Kamala is for they them? 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: Why was that the single most effective ad of the 13 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: entire multi billion dollar political cycle. 14 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, it's great to be on 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: with you. Look that was as effective as it was 16 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 3: because I mean, and say it again out loud, he 17 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: is for you, she is for the them. Can you 18 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: imagine our founding fathers hearing that. I mean, they wouldn't 19 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: even understand what that means. They wouldn't even be able 20 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 3: to grasp the concept of what is being said. But 21 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 3: that's the reality of where we are as a nation now. 22 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 3: I mean, it's seemingly that we have an entire political 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 3: party that has, at least in terms of elected representation, 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 3: and how our media represents this issue that has I 25 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 3: mean embraced this gender ideology movement wholeheartedly. You've got the 26 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: whole pronouncing like we've just stated, but also calling Latino 27 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 3: voters or Latino individuals latin x. I mean, this just 28 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,199 Speaker 3: doesn't resonate with your everyday common sense person. It shows 29 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: how out of touch with reality the Democratic Party has 30 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 3: become and would certainly continue being if we were to 31 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 3: have to live through a Harris Walts administration. 32 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: Riley, good to hear from you. 33 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 4: I was with you on election night six days ago, 34 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 4: and as the results are coming in, I told you, 35 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 4: I think this election might have been different if Leah 36 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 4: Thomas does not swim against you, and if the absurdity 37 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 4: of that wasn't crystallized, not only with the event itself, 38 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 4: but with you speaking out against it. It happened in Georgia, 39 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 4: which is a swing state, Riley, you had to swim 40 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 4: against Leah who was from Pennsylvania, which is certainly a 41 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 4: swing state. Sometimes it takes a little while for arguments 42 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 4: to crystallize. Do you think that incident was potentially dispositive 43 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 4: and who ended up winning this race. 44 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 3: You know what, no doubt I do. Actually, it just 45 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 3: really expedited similar to COVID. Honestly, it expedited this which 46 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 3: showed us which leaders were willing to, I mean emphatically 47 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 3: say that men can become women. And again, when you 48 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 3: do that, your credibility has just been compromised on every 49 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 3: single topic. Why would I believe a word that comes 50 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: out of your mouth on any subject if you can, 51 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: if you can look at me and say confidently that 52 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: men can become women and vice versa, or that men 53 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 3: can get pregnant, or that menstrual products belong in boys' bathrooms. Again, 54 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 3: these things are absurd, and so we saw how it affected, 55 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: of course the presidential election. But also I think important 56 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: to note these key Senate races people like I mean 57 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 3: we saw, I mean, compare the two Bob Casey versus 58 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: Dave McCormick, or someone even like Ted Cruz versus Colin Alred. 59 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 3: Colin Alred is of course as someone who in the 60 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: US House has voted many, many times in favor of 61 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 3: putting men into women's sports. But standing there on the 62 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 3: debate stage, she says, word for word, look, I'm a Christian, 63 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 3: I'm a father, I would never support these ridiculous ideas 64 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 3: trying to desperately to recant from their positions. And notice 65 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: how Kamala Harris was never asked about her stance specifically 66 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 3: on this, and it's because she knew. That's by design. 67 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 3: They knew that this is not a winning issue does 68 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 3: it pull well in their favor? Therefore they desperately and 69 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 3: effectively honestly try to run from their voting records. 70 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: Hey, Riley, do you think that what's going on right 71 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: now as the Democrats deal with all of their sadness 72 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: at the Trump the sweeping Trump victory is what we're 73 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: seeing a tactical retreat on the men and women's sports. 74 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: Girls playing against our boys playing against girls. Is it 75 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: a tactical retreat or is it a true rethink and 76 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: possible repudiation of the trans agenda, which is effectively that 77 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: people can change gender. 78 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 3: Look, I don't think they believed it the entire time. 79 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: You really mean to tell me outlets like ESPN for example, 80 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 3: or or let's take the UNC double a. Uh, these 81 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 3: are outlets or entities that cover men's sports in women's sports. 82 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 3: You really mean to tell me they believe that men 83 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: can become women, that there's no difference between a man 84 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 3: getting on the softball field versus the baseball field or 85 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: a man teeing off of a woman's tea. No, of 86 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 3: course they knew that so so I don't think they 87 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 3: believed it from the very beginning of this whole thing. 88 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 3: But now they're realizing, Okay, society is starting to turn around, 89 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 3: you know, whatever it is, whether it's it's you know, 90 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 3: driven by dollar signs initially, and now they're realizing, you know, 91 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 3: maybe it's it is kind of this fringe, absurd idea 92 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: to to go along with this, to celebrate this, even 93 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 3: like they've done. So. Look, these democrats that are coming out, 94 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: I don't think they ever believed it. Actually know for 95 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: a fact. I'll tell you I've had the displeasure of 96 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 3: testifying before Congress in the Senate many times. And when 97 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 3: I testified before the Senate I had a Corey Booker 98 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 3: come up to me before and he said, look, you know, 99 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 3: I played football at Stanford. I could never imagine a 100 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 3: girl on the field with me. And now was before 101 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: the testimony or the hearing. And then gets on the 102 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 3: other side of the table and starts grilling me and 103 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 3: votes in favor of this stuff. So again, it. 104 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: Sounds like Corey Booker. By the way, just if you're wondering, nice, 105 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: nice in the green room, but not so nice when 106 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: he's up grand standing in Congress. 107 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 4: Right exactly, I want to play this for you because 108 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 4: I know you saw this video and it goes to 109 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 4: what Buck just asked, will they run from this or 110 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 4: will they allow left wing activists to continue to dominate 111 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 4: the discussion? So on CNN guy says, Hey, we're trying 112 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 4: to have an autopsy of what happened in the election 113 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 4: and boys trying to play in girl sports. Just listen 114 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 4: to this, Riley, and I want you to be able 115 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 4: to react to it. 116 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 5: I think there are a lot of families out there 117 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 5: who don't believe boys should play girls sports. 118 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: I'm at the table. 119 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 2: When you. 120 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: Boys. 121 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 5: I'm not going to sit there a second because look, 122 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 5: this is a really heated issue, right and Sea Michael, 123 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 5: I know you, I know that you understand that people 124 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 5: have different views on this. I think out of respect 125 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 5: for Jay, like, let's try. 126 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 4: To okay, let's cut it there. Out of respect for Jay, 127 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 4: you can't even say what you actually believe You've been 128 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 4: hearing this for years, Riley. 129 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: When you watch that video, what was your reaction? 130 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: Well, I think it speaks more so to the problem, 131 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 3: even even maybe bigger than the actual concept of men 132 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 3: in women's sports. It's the whole idea of a grown 133 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: man telling another grown man how to speak. And again, 134 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: normal people are tired, they're tired of the policing of language. 135 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 3: Call it as you see it and never ever apologize. 136 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: And so I mean listening to that, it's just the 137 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: oldest form of pushing your ideology onto somebody demand. They 138 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: can't even speak against it in front of you. I 139 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: was hopeful that they had learned right, like we have 140 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: addressed here. We saw people like Morning Joe come out 141 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: and say, you know, Democrats have handled this really stupidly, 142 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: literally used that word. He said. Eighty five percent of 143 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 3: Americans agree that men and women's sports is wrong, but 144 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 3: maybe they didn't learn listening to the rest of this panel, 145 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 3: watch a grown man have a full on temper tantrum 146 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 3: for how he addresses, I mean, accurately addresses a human being. 147 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: Calling them what they are is peak absurdity. It really is. 148 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: Craziness. Craziness. Well, we'll have to see how the Democrats 149 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: try to deal with this issue going forward to I 150 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: think that it is really a symptom of a broader 151 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: problem they have, which is the orthodoxy. When the Democrat 152 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: left rally got so powerful, so strong, that it became 153 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: impossible for the less crazy elements of the Democrat Party 154 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: to control the full on true believers of the Democrat Party. 155 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: And it's not just on the transition. I think we 156 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: saw this on college campuses where there were kids who were, 157 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: you know, taking over buildings at Columbia University and just 158 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: throwing this giant tantrum and threatening Jewish students because of 159 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: what was going on in Gaza. Like normal people don't 160 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: think that's normal behavior or ethical behavior. 161 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 3: No, no, And the irony of this is these college 162 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 3: students have no idea what they're even protesting. They have 163 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 3: no idea. It's the same rent a mob that shows 164 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 3: up to college campuses to protest me when I show 165 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 3: up and speak. They have no idea. But you're right, 166 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 3: I think the infiltration of virtual every realm, every institution 167 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 3: of our society. Uh, I don't believe even it's it's 168 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,359 Speaker 3: necessarily the gender ideology movement that has captured our institutions. 169 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 3: I believe it's our institutions that have have failed so miserable, miserably, 170 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 3: whether it's it's corporate America. We're seeing how that has 171 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 3: played out. We've seen that through Target and bud Light 172 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 3: and things like that. We've seen it, of course, in 173 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: our educational realm. We've seen it within our media. We've 174 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 3: seen it within our government. We've seen it within the 175 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 3: healthcare profession, the medicalization side of things. How we have 176 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: doctors entire Even at the end of that clip, if 177 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 3: you were to keep playing that clip, at the end 178 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 3: of it, the guy says, look, don't don't listen to me, 179 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 3: just listen to the American Medical Association or the American 180 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 3: Psychiatric Association. We have entire what used to be considered 181 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: trustworthy institutions and entities and corporations and organizations that have, 182 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 3: uh I mean said it's totally cool to chemically and 183 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 3: surgically castraate children. I mean, we will look back at 184 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 3: this time. I don't know how long from now, ten years, 185 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,599 Speaker 3: twenty years, I hope not fifty years, but at some 186 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 3: point we will look back at this time and accurately 187 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 3: call it what it is, which again speaking to the 188 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 3: medicalization stuff. It's the biggest medical scandal this world has 189 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 3: ever seen. So you're right, it's every realm, even seemingly 190 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 3: are spiritual leaders. I've seen many videos of pastors coming 191 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 3: out now and condemning people saying, you know, they're going 192 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 3: to hell if they have voted for Donald Trump and 193 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: they're quoting scripture, and it's just we're seeing sheep in 194 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 3: Wolve's clothing. 195 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 4: All of that being said, it was incredible to watch 196 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 4: Trump win. I know you felt very validated for the 197 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 4: arguments you've been making in Riley. You just graduated from 198 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 4: college recently. How encouraging was it to you the number 199 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 4: of young men who just said we're over this and 200 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 4: show up and voted for Trump in record numbers. 201 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 3: Honestly, I'll tell you it's it wasn't really surprising for me. 202 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 3: I think for a couple of reasons. One, young people 203 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 3: value free speech. Young people they're they're you're going up 204 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 3: to college for the first time, you're having to afford 205 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 3: an apartment or whatever it is. So so the economy 206 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: I believe was a big part in that. I think 207 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 3: young people too just kind of like to to go 208 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: against the status. QLO I mean, there's that value in 209 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 3: being rebellious, and I think it was seen as voting 210 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 3: for Donald Trump was the rebellious, anti establishment thing to do, 211 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 3: and I think that's largely part of Look, he's got 212 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 3: this iconic mug shot, he's being shot at, he's being indicted, 213 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 3: he's being I mean, they're trying to bankrupt him. All 214 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 3: of these things that were happening to him that the 215 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 3: Democrats were doing in an attempt to get him to 216 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 3: go away. Really, I think, especially in talking about young people, 217 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:02,599 Speaker 3: it really only made him more relate. More of this 218 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 3: this iconic figure that I believe mobilized people to get 219 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 3: to the polls, and not just men. I think a 220 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 3: lot of we've we've seen the numbers in the shift, 221 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 3: and even young women compared to four years ago. So 222 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 3: again I think it was it was historic. I mean, 223 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 3: this is really kind of like a once in a 224 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 3: lifetime type of thing. I think, of course, this was 225 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 3: only my second election being able to vote, and this 226 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 3: time compared to four years ago. I mean, it just 227 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 3: the vibe shift is entirely there, especially among young people. 228 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 4: Riley Gaines you can check out the podcast at OutKick. 229 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 4: Among many other things, she is doing to fight for 230 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 4: the right side of sanity. Riley, keep up the good work. 231 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 4: You were instrumental to this result. Thank you for everything 232 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 4: you did. 233 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 6: Well. 234 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,359 Speaker 3: Thank you, guys, appreciate you always. 235 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 4: Lake Travis here, Happy Thanksgiving from all of us at 236 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 4: the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. 237 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: By the way, you watched the new episode I did 238 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: of Yellowstone, so now we can talk about it. Carrie 239 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: and I watched it. The first five minutes just felt 240 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: absolutely bizarre. There's no spoilers here. Okay, if you haven't 241 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: seen it yet, too well, I mean there are spoilers, 242 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: but I'm saying, like, too bad. Kevin Costner really thought 243 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: he had something better to do than this show. Is 244 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: that what it came down to. That seems so strange 245 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: to me. 246 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: I can't believe. 247 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 4: And I don't know how many of you out there 248 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 4: watch Yellowstone, but it's the most popular television show in America. 249 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: I think I. 250 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 4: Told you that you should watch it years ago on 251 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 4: this show, Buck and So they've had a multi year 252 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 4: hiatus while they've been fighting over whether Kevin Costner was 253 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 4: going to come back or not, and ultimately he just 254 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 4: refused to come back. 255 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: So they had to write him off. 256 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 4: And I just look, he put in the time and 257 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 4: effort on that show. Why not close it out in 258 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 4: a way where the people who've invested in that show 259 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 4: are gonna really appreciate the work that he put in, right, Like, 260 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 4: I what better thing is he making? And I can't 261 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 4: imagine that there's not a dollar figure they could have 262 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 4: reached an agreement on. Does that make sense? Like at 263 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 4: some point it would be like if you watch the 264 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 4: Avengers movies, if Robert Downey Junior was just like, yeah, 265 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna play Iron Man anymore. Well, there's got 266 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 4: to be a dollar figure where you can come to 267 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 4: an agreement because people who've invested in that show and 268 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 4: it's been very successful want to find a way to 269 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 4: finish it successfully. And I think it just it undercuts 270 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 4: everything massively the way that that final episode's playing out 271 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 4: right now. I watched it last night. I was excited 272 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 4: to watch it. I've been waiting for several years. I 273 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 4: really like the show. I think Taylor Sheridan's done a 274 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 4: great job with that one. There's a new one with 275 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 4: Billy Bob Thornton about Texas Oil that looks frankly incredible 276 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 4: it's got Billy, Bob Thornton, John on Ham and another famous, 277 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 4: super incredible actress in it. I can't remember who it was, 278 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 4: but I need a new show to watch. With the 279 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 4: election now being done and with football season moving towards 280 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 4: the close for the spring, I'm ready for a couple 281 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 4: of new shows to be able to kick back and watch. 282 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: I could definitely use a new show these days. I'm 283 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm kind of I've kind of run dry on that, 284 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: so I'm hopeful that something really good comes up. I 285 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: don't know the Yellowstone. It might have jumped the shark 286 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: a little bit here for me though, the whole like 287 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: faked suicide thing, and it's getting a little crazy, and 288 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: I just didn't I think Kevin Coster bailed out to 289 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: make some movies that have done really poorly. Is that right. 290 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: I don't even know what they are, but he did some. 291 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 4: I think that's correct. And look, I mean, Kevin Costner 292 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 4: is incredibly talented. He made that show with his portrayal 293 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 4: of John Dutton Penguin. 294 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: I just realized I've started with Penguin now carry and 295 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: I watched it with her dad. It's not a superhero 296 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: show on HBO it's like a mafia crime show where 297 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: the penguin is a character. Does that make sense? There is? 298 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 1: You don't even see the Batman in it. So far, 299 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: it's been pretty good. I mean it's almost like The Sopranos, 300 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: but the guy walks kind of funny. 301 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 2: Is that Colin Farrell playing the. 302 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: Ps It's Colin Farrell with a lot of costume makeup 303 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: and you know, a fat suit on. Yes, that's what's interesting. 304 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 2: I've heard. 305 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 4: I think I read about that. I haven't seen it 306 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 4: at all. You're listening to the best of Clay Trapps 307 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 4: and Buck Sexton. 308 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: Our friend David Harsani joins, Now we're talking about his 309 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: book a little bit here, The Rise of Blue a noon. 310 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: There we go, how the Democrats became a party of 311 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists. David, I'm actually gonna read from the inside 312 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: jacket here for a second. Welcome. Of course, A recent 313 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 1: pol found nearly twice as many Democrats as Republicans believe 314 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: the Holocaust is a myth. Meanwhile, sixty nine percent of 315 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: Americaans who believe that alien spacecraft are observing our planet 316 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: right now are Democrats, a far higher number than Republicans. 317 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: Historically Democrats are more likely to be nine to eleven truthers, 318 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: despite their law signs declaring science is real. Democrats are 319 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: twice as likely as Republicans to believe in astrology. I mean, 320 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: we keep going down the list. What's going on here, 321 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: mister Harsanyi. 322 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 6: I think that the consensus has always been that the 323 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 6: that the right is the one that is more prone 324 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 6: to disinformation. But truly the left, and I'll tell you 325 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 6: why it's more dangerous. They take conspiracy theories, they polish 326 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 6: them up, they launder them through the media. They have 327 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 6: experts tell you it's true, who are just partisans, and 328 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 6: they and so they become much more plausible and much 329 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 6: more you know. So it's just wider spread through the 330 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,719 Speaker 6: left than on the right, because on the right, usually 331 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,719 Speaker 6: conspiracy theorists are you know, on the fringes, they're not 332 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 6: really you know, mainstreamed in the same way. So I 333 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 6: think that it's just more common on the left because 334 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 6: it's you know, it's just more mainstream through their media, 335 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 6: through their media. 336 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: Well you mentioned in this one. I mean you mentioned, 337 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: for example, stealing elections, and Democrats always gone And this 338 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: is something I have to remind everybody all the time 339 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: they say Trump doesn't you didn't accept the results of 340 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election. I'm like democrats didn't accept twenty sixteen, 341 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: didn't accept two thousand. I mean Democrats have made an 342 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: art form of denying elections. 343 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, people forget now, or maybe they're too young, But 344 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 6: in two thousand and four there was almost every major 345 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 6: Democrats said there was something wrong with the Ohio voting. 346 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 6: They investigated it. People tried to deny Bush the election. 347 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 6: And remember in the two thousands, people like Michael Moore 348 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 6: complete off the you know, crazy conspiracy theorists made documentaries 349 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 6: that made hundreds of millions of dollars, got standing ovations 350 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 6: at the oscars. That's what I mean by main streams. 351 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 6: I think that you know, and then when they're debunked, 352 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 6: like let's say the Russia collusion, hope, they just move 353 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 6: on to the next thing. No one, no one ever 354 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 6: pays the price, No one's called the conspiracy theories. No 355 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 6: one lose his job, No one loses his job. 356 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: What was the wackiest when you're doing your research for this, 357 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: what was the wackiest thing that you saw coming out 358 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: as a conspiracy theory that a good number of Democrats 359 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 1: really bought into. 360 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 6: Well, I mean over in two thousand and six, I 361 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 6: think it was it was a poll that showed that 362 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 6: over fifty percent of Democrats thought George Bush knew that 363 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 6: nine to eleven was going to happen and let it 364 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 6: happen for personal benefit. But the worst one, I think 365 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 6: is in twenty eighteen, when I forget the exact number, 366 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 6: but something like fifty eight percent of Democrats believed that 367 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 6: the Russians not not had just sent some Facebook ads, 368 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 6: but that they had messed with the vote tallies and 369 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 6: stolen the election. And this is a you know, that's 370 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 6: a massive number of people who believed something that there 371 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 6: was never any evidence for that even the conspiracy theorists 372 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 6: weren't saying it was true. They had gone, you know, 373 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 6: past that because they had been involved in this mass hysteria. 374 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 6: So I think that's the craziest thing that they've believed, 375 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 6: and it just happened a few years ago. 376 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: Well, you know, one thing, David, and we're speaking David Harsani. 377 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: His book is The Rise of Blue Anon, how the 378 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: Democrats became a party of conspiracy theorists. Well, one thing 379 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: that to me, at least sounds like it could be 380 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: a part of this. I just got my copy, so 381 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to get in and dive dive into 382 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: this and read over the weekend. David. So you may 383 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: deal with this in some detail in the book, but 384 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: to me, it seems like part of it is if 385 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: a conspiracy hurts Republicans, it doesn't matter at all whether 386 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: it's true or not. So even people who aren't expected 387 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: to truly believe it aren't expected to go along with it, 388 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 1: because so many of these conspiracies just become political cudgels. 389 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 6: Of course, the New York Times will give a hearing 390 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 6: to any conspiracy theorists on the left. So I write 391 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,719 Speaker 6: about this last year or yeah, last year, the New 392 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 6: York Times ran a huge long story about this guy 393 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 6: who says that Reagan Reagan had made a deal with 394 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 6: the Iranians to not release the hostages so that he 395 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 6: could win the election in nineteen eighty. I mean, there's 396 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 6: no there's zero evidence or something like that, but they'll 397 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 6: they'll publish it. And that's just, you know, kind of 398 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 6: a revisionist conspiracy theory. But obviously they'll publish anything here 399 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 6: now as well. But I just clearly want to say 400 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 6: that it's not just conspiracy theories, it's also paranoia. I'll 401 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 6: give you the worst, one of the most pernicious ones, 402 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 6: telling African American voters that they're being stript of the 403 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 6: right to vote, that there's voter suppression when it is 404 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 6: easier to vote than it's ever been in the history 405 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 6: of mankind anywhere. But yet people believe sixty something percent 406 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 6: of black people believe that there's a systemic, systemic, you know, 407 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 6: effort underway to not let them vote, or that they 408 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 6: believe that white cops are going around hunting black people 409 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 6: to kill young black men. I mean, that makes them 410 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 6: feel like they're in a country that hates them, that 411 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 6: they don't have agency. And I'm not saying they aren't racists. 412 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 6: Of course they are racists. But that's a paranoia has 413 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,479 Speaker 6: taken hold that know that is simply easily debunked by 414 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 6: factual evidence. 415 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: What do we do about this phenomenon? It does feel 416 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: like at some level, David d election results are are 417 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: a major pushback at a minimum to some of the 418 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: craziest beliefs of the left. But is it just the 419 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: loosening of their controls over the information ecosystem, as in 420 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: now that X to the degree that you know, everyone 421 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: can see, seems to be willing to at least allow 422 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: people to say mean things about Democrats or things Democrats 423 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: don't once said, they don't have the same stranglehold. I 424 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: mean the others talk radio, there's Fox News. There have 425 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: been ways, but online it seems to be like it 426 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: seems to be loosening up a bit. Is that one way? 427 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: What are the how do we deal with this? Like, 428 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: how do we handle this so that people stop stop 429 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: believing crazy stuff. 430 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 6: We're in a weird spot now because it's clear this 431 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 6: election made it clear that people aren't listening to what 432 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 6: the media is telling them. They were engaged in a 433 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 6: paranoid style of politics, saying that Trump was hitler, that 434 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 6: you were semi fascists and all of that, and the 435 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 6: Handmaid's Tales stuff and all of that, so no one 436 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 6: was really listening. Obviously, every ethnic group, all kinds of 437 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 6: groups moved towards Trump. But I think it was a 438 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 6: very normy election people who wanted some normalcy. But now 439 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 6: we don't really have any you know, we don't trust 440 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 6: any institutions. I don't mean we trust any big institutions, 441 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 6: So we have to someone has to build up places 442 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 6: that can be trusted. Again, I don't you know, And 443 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 6: I think, yes, it's going to be great to dunk 444 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 6: on libs and put people in positions that Dunco lives. 445 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 6: I'm not against that, But you also need confident people 446 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 6: who are going to make us or allow us to trust, 447 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 6: you know, hhat So we're going to allow us to 448 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 6: trust the Justice Department. I think it's important if you 449 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 6: care about this stuff, that you have institutions that you 450 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 6: could trust. 451 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: And I'm wondering also about some of these media outlets, 452 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: you know, Jeff Bezos. It was fascinating they got so 453 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: freaked out of the Washington Post because Bezos said, you're 454 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: not allowed to endorse in this election cycle, as if 455 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: first of all, the endorsement doesn't matter. Second of all, 456 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: we all know who the Washington Post would endorse if 457 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: they could endorse. But if you were to take a 458 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: step back and say, I want this paper to function 459 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: at least non hysterically, maybe that's a way I could 460 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: put it. It wouldn't be that hard. You know, these 461 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: papers have the Ombudsman position, right, I mean, they have 462 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: supposedly some kind of internal checks and balances, and then 463 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: they haven't been functioning. But I'm saying, theoretically you could 464 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: create them. I mean, all you need is somebody on 465 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: the Washington Post, you know, in the newsroom whose job 466 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: is to oversee the politicization of the front page from 467 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: a conservative perspective, and I feel like you could start 468 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: to rain some of this stuff in. Or is it 469 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: just impossible? Is that just there's no market for that anymore? 470 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: I mean, how do you see it? 471 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 6: I think you need to fire most people. It's not 472 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 6: the editorial page. It's really the problem at these Don't 473 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 6: get me wrong, It could be better and all that. 474 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 6: It's the reporters. It's the stray reporters that are the 475 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 6: problem and ture in these places. You'd have to finish. 476 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 6: You have to fix it completely, because think about the 477 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 6: kids who are coming out of journalism school now. They're 478 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 6: all just you know, they're not prepared to see other 479 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 6: opinions in the paper. When when when when they don't endorse, 480 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 6: the whole paper melts down. When The New York Times 481 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 6: puts the Tom Cotton op ed up, the editorial assistance 482 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 6: will revolt and get the uh, get the get the 483 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 6: editor of the op ed page Fire. So I think 484 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 6: there really needs to be a culture change, and that 485 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 6: takes a long time. I'm not saying they're on good 486 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 6: journalists around, but the incentives are not to reward them, 487 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 6: because who gets rewarded. If you're anti Trump you get 488 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 6: a million followers on Twitter. If you're being an unbiased 489 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 6: reporter and doing good work, no one pays attention to you. 490 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 6: So until those incentives are changed, I'm not sure that 491 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 6: it's going to get much better. 492 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely true. We've got the book here, 493 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 1: The Rise of Bluing on David Harsani, the author. Go 494 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: get your copy and look for David's columns to Washington Examiner, David. 495 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: Great to talk to you is always. Thanks for making the. 496 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 6: Time you two. Thanks for having me. 497 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: Hey, it's Buck Sexton from our home to yours. Have 498 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: a wonderful Thanksgiving. From the Clay and Buck. 499 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 4: Show, Jack Smith is ending his prosecutions of Donald Trump 500 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 4: and leaving the Department of Justice. 501 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: This is amazing. 502 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: What a giant l that guy. Can we Let's take 503 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: a moment, Clay, Let's talk about some of the biggest 504 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: l's here for people who weren't even on the ballot. Yes, 505 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: Doug m Hoff. It's rough, all the all the back 506 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: of the hand memes with Doug m Hoff. That guy 507 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: did not benefit from their attempt to make him the 508 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: new kind of first Man or whatever they were gonna 509 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: call him. How about Mark, gentlemen, how about Mark Mark Cuban. 510 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: I saw all of what I've seen, all the memes 511 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: with Cuban and Matdow. I just that's the best way 512 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: I can describe it. But they're the memes are out there. 513 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 4: Mark Cuban big l for him as Elon Musk, like 514 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 4: if you were analyzing like people's popularity and influence and 515 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 4: success like Elon Musk. I mean just in the business context, 516 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 4: but obviously Elon's far more successful. But I mean in 517 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 4: the political context. Elon gets on board the Trump train 518 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 4: and now just wins amazingly. Mark Cuban, for some reason, 519 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 4: gets on the Kamalat caboose and just basically destroyed any 520 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 4: of his fan base that he still had. 521 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: I mean, it's really kind of wild. Sorry I cut 522 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 2: you off. 523 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 4: It is funny to me to kind of think about 524 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 4: those two guys and the different trajectories they take. Now 525 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 4: in the wake of the decisions they made in the election, and. 526 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: Then then that brings us to womp mister Walls. Oh, yes, 527 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: the hero of several deployments to beautiful Italian towns with 528 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: excellent Neapolitan pizza and a Broadway show tunes enthusiast. From 529 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: what we can tell, Tim Walls didn't get it done 530 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: with the Midwestern voters, with the guy voters, with any 531 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: of the voters. But I'm gonna I'm gonna give. I'm 532 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: gonna give a little charity or a little good faith 533 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: here to the Kamala campaign. You know what, man, I 534 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think it was gonna make a difference. 535 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: It would have been smarter to pick Shapiro, for sure, 536 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: no question. But when you see these numbers in this reality, 537 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: I don't think. I think Kamala was the problem. The 538 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: message was the problem. The four years of Biden was 539 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: the problem. You can't change that with a VP pick. Tim. 540 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 4: Yes, I agree, But Tim Walls, I mean, what a 541 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 4: loser that guy was. And how about the fact that 542 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 4: they tried to tell us that he was gonna win 543 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 4: over football fans. This is something that I felt very 544 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 4: confident about, and I give you credit because you held 545 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 4: the wall. You were very confident. At no point, once 546 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 4: Kamala got elevated, you never believed remotely this gonna win. 547 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: Never Clay knows. I did not waiver for one day. 548 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: I was like, Trump will win one hundred percent. 549 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 4: There was about a month, I would say, like mid 550 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 4: August to mid September where I got really nervous with 551 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 4: the debate. In September tenth, if I remember, she came 552 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 4: out of the gate, she got the bump, It seemed 553 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 4: like she had some enthusiasm. I really think this race turned. 554 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 4: If you want to talk about when really kind of 555 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 4: Trump took command, I think it was JD versus Walls 556 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 4: in the VP debate. And I don't remember the exact 557 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 4: date of the VP debate. I felt like it was 558 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 4: very early October, but I felt like basically a lot 559 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 4: of people looked at JD and I thought he wiped 560 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 4: the floor with Walls, and they said, Okay, Trump is 561 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 4: seventy eight. By the way, one of you out there 562 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 4: who listens has sent me forty eight emails that I 563 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 4: got Trump's age wrong and when I said he was 564 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 4: seventy nine, My humblest apologies of all the things that 565 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 4: you could send me forty eight emails about Trump is 566 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 4: seventy eight right now. I think he turned seventy nine soon. 567 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 4: My apologies to the lady out there that is deeply 568 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 4: offended that I have missaged Donald Trump. I think JD 569 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 4: in that performance had such a captive He was an 570 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 4: eloquent version of Trump, and I think JD said a 571 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 4: lot of things that people wanted Trump to have said 572 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 4: against Kamala. 573 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 2: And I think it was just from there the after 574 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 2: burners were on. 575 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: Not just because as we know, JD was my early 576 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: on prediction, but I think the JD's the choice of 577 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: JD by Trump also showed a learning curve that had 578 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: occurred with Trump and just the next generation. I mean, 579 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: when you think, here's a fascinating question that I've been 580 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: banning about on my own Headclay, and I'll put to 581 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: you and everyone with us right now, who's the leader 582 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: of the Democrat Party right now? Who's the leader of 583 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: the Democrat Party? Like the de facto leader right because Obama, 584 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: through his whole weight behind Kamala, didn't do a darn thing. Now. Obama, 585 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: it's interesting, has never been good at getting other Peo 586 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: people elected. 587 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, his his power personal magnetism only extends like to himself, 588 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 4: it doesn't extend beyond. 589 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: Him, exactly right. He's not been his endorsement because Obama was. 590 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: Really he's not so much a movement as he is 591 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: one talented demagogue politician. He but you know that's Obama. 592 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: You look at the Republican side of things, and there 593 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: are all these people now that are around Trump, I 594 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: mean jd most notably as the vice president, but there 595 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: are others. There's a whole rung and Elon I mean 596 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: the team of advisors slash just Trump Tier one. I 597 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: don't know how better to describe. It is a mix 598 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: of incredibly accomplished, very interesting, not dogmatically right wing necessarily people, 599 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: but red pilled and maga. Now, yeah, so you can 600 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: see what the future looks like. On the Democrat side, 601 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: what they're really Oh, we found this guy, Gavin Newsom. 602 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: This amazing. You know, I don't know what they do 603 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: right now. I don't know who the leader of the 604 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: Democrat Party is. I don't think they have a bench 605 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: to speak of. They got to figure this out. 606 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 4: I think they would argue Josh Shapiro and Gretchen Widmer, 607 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 4: but their governors and their terms are going to be up, 608 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 4: and I'm not sure you're reacting face wise kind of 609 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 4: the way I do when I hear those. I'm not 610 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 4: sure there's no Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer's done, Hakeem Jeffery's 611 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 4: not going to be It doesn't look like the House speaker. 612 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 4: They're kind of off the stage, And I think you're right, 613 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 4: there's an incredible void of leadership at the top of 614 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 4: the Democrat Party. By the way, Maddie in Utah wants 615 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 4: to weigh in. Maddie, you're a twenty year old college 616 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 4: student voting for the first time. 617 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 2: How did you vote and why? 618 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 7: Hey, guys, I voted for Donald Trump, and I cast 619 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 7: my vote because I believe that he won and over 620 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 7: performed with the young adults and first time voters of 621 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 7: this country. Because we had to live through COVID and 622 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:05,479 Speaker 7: how its disrupted our high school experiences so much and 623 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 7: just impacted us so much, and then we went from 624 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 7: that to trying to pay rent in this awful economy, 625 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 7: and I think that we really just said that we 626 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,439 Speaker 7: are done with it and that we want to fix 627 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 7: this this country. 628 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 4: Maddie, we appreciate you listening. I think that's an eloquent 629 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 4: description of the way that a lot of people your 630 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 4: age feel. 631 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: Buck. 632 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 4: You can imagine, thank you for calling Maddie. If you 633 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 4: lost your senior year of high school in March. You 634 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 4: were going to have prom, you were going to play 635 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 4: in a sport, you were looking forward to what that 636 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 4: experience would be like down the stretch, and then you 637 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 4: went away to college and they wouldn't let you sit 638 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 4: in a classroom without wearing a mask, and they tried 639 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 4: to restrict your ability to go out and hang out 640 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 4: and go to a party. I think there's a lot 641 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 4: of young people that have been red pilled over that 642 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 4: Buck who looked around and said, all of the people 643 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 4: who were supposed to be taking care of us adults 644 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 4: in our lives failedest and the Democrat Party adults failed 645 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 4: the biggest. 646 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: You see now, I know I like to joke around 647 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: about how Clay took a chariot to school, and you 648 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: know I'm more moderate and stuff. We're only a couple 649 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 1: of years apart. We are technically in different generations. You're 650 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,919 Speaker 1: gen X. I believe you're like we saved a Maria 651 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: youngest last night. I hate to give Clay and his 652 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: generation so much credit. I'm a Graybeard millennial technically, so 653 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: I'm a millennial. Clay Is jen X gen X people. 654 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 2: For what is it? 655 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: Forty five to sixty is that the gen X? I 656 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: know it's youngest. 657 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 4: I'm the youngest gen X. Gen X goes through the end. 658 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 4: I believe of seventy nine. I was born in nineteen 659 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 4: seventy nine. I think what's the oldest five sixty five 660 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 4: to seventy nine, whatever the math would be. I think 661 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 4: Obama's the oldest gen X, and I think I'm the youngest. 662 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 2: I think that's the range. 663 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: Gen X pulled out all the stops for Trump in 664 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: this election.