1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: The most valuable commodity I know of is information. Wouldn't 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: you agree? 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 2: Did you agreed? A five dollars? 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: This is a ray. 5 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 2: Hopping the trackleship one man. You're saying that humans need 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: fantasy to make life bearable. Humans need fantasy to be human. 7 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: My goodness, that was good. You guys prose the bests, relentless, 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: refusing to give up. 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: All right, hit that horn, very bless. 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast. This 11 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: is your fantasy preview for Super Bowl fifty eight. I'm 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: your host Chris Raymond of the Action Network, joining me 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: to break down the game. The number one fantasy ranker 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: in the game, the most accurate projector most accurate odds setter, 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: the odds maker, Sean Kerner, Sean, what's going on? 16 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: What's up? Happy super Bowl week? Uh? A bit disappointed 17 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: We're not going to be in Vegas to watch the game, 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: but maybe we could watch it here in La. 19 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah. I mean it's it's a zoo like 20 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: I was in Arizona last year. It's it's a great experience, 21 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: but it is it is a zoo. So I know, people, 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: I guess we're kind of exhausted by the time we 23 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: get to what is it, we week twenty two or 24 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: twenty three, so whatever, Yeah, yeah, yeah, really right, yeah 25 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: when you count pre season all that stuff. So, uh, 26 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: we'll be chilling, but we're going to track all my 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: you know, fifteen to twenty bets on the back of 28 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: a pizza box. Again, I think it was that envelope. 29 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: Oh no, it was the back of a pizza but 30 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: you're right, yeah, yeah, that was I'm looking forward to, 31 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: like going to get pizza. Well, like the top receiver 32 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: in the game, tears are a oh yeah, I thought, yeah. 33 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: I thought you may have thought I was like pranking 34 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 1: on that, but unfortunately it was true. Odell Pia Yeah 35 00:01:58,560 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: was out. 36 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: Hell, you know, he's he he got his rings, so 37 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: at least that happened. But yeah, we're gonna break down 38 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: all the We're gonna try touch on all the relevant 39 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 2: players here in this Super Bowl matchup, as far as 40 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: it pertains to DFS. We'll also build, uh we'll go 41 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 2: ahead to head to build a lineup so that you know, 42 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: you'll kind of see you know, even if some guys 43 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: are gone and there's like some alternate lineup constructions, we'll 44 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: see how that goes, So we'll get into all of that. 45 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 2: And also a reminder, if you haven't left us a 46 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: five star or rating and review and you enjoy the show, 47 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: please jump and do that. All feedback is a gift. 48 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: We choose our top rating and review each week and 49 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: you can get a free year of Action Pro or 50 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: some swag from the Action Network Store. This week's winner 51 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 2: is Matt h Man, so thank you, Matt Hman. You 52 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: can end up podcast at Action network dot com to 53 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: claim your prize. Also, don't forget Action Network Discord. More 54 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: information in the link in the episode description for that, 55 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: and if you download the free award winning Action Network app. 56 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: We have our newest feature, Fantasy Sync, so if you 57 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: play prize picks you're going to love that link in 58 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 2: the episode description as well. But without further ado, it's 59 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: get into Super Bowl fifty eight Chiefs Niners. Nine is 60 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: favored by two total forty seven and half and luck 61 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: ranking wise, I know it's like it kind of has 62 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: a lean to a luck over. Just any thoughts before 63 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: we get into it, just on your general thoughts on 64 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: the game or you know, game script, any anyway in 65 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: particular you think this is going to go. Do you 66 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: think the market has it right or what are your 67 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: thoughts on that? 68 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the market has it right. I think 69 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: the Niners are the better team on paper, but this 70 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: is you know, a dynasty and the Chiefs and possibly 71 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: one of the best quarterbacks ever played the game, Patrick Mahomes, 72 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: So I'm not interested in better against him. So i 73 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: haven't picked a side yet. Same thing with the total, 74 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: I would lean towards the under. I think both teams 75 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: will probably attack their weaknesses, which is the run defense. 76 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,279 Speaker 1: But the luck rank, you know, two and a half. 77 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: You know, pointing to the over does give me pause. 78 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: So that's just the lean too. So no official plays 79 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: on the sider total yet, but I have like fifteen 80 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: props out there. But have you locked in anything on 81 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: the sider total yet? 82 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: I'll be on Kansas City. I haven't locked in like 83 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: my biggest bet on Kansas City because I'm just waiting 84 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: to see how the line moves. But I mean, and 85 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: I'll obviously have right ups on this, but and I've 86 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 2: talked about in the pause, but I just think once 87 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 2: you really start digging into handicap, you have to make 88 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: so many adjustments. For the Chiefs just based on what 89 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: they were doing early in the season, but you know, 90 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 2: versus what they're doing now. For example, like Kelsey wasn't 91 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: playing the full snaps he's playing now, Rice wasn't playing 92 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: you know, all those like Tony Hardman, sky More guys 93 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: were playing a lot more. So once you do all 94 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: that mass, I think it's a lot more closer to 95 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: a a coy flip game. So I think the Chiefs 96 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: are a little bit, a little bit undervalue. The total 97 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: is kind of tough for me because I just see 98 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: a wide range of outcomes, so I don't really have 99 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 2: a play on on the total. But I think as 100 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: far as dfscoes, you know, we talk about this all 101 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: the time. Your lineup, you get six spots or five 102 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 2: depending on what site you're playing. Your mind just has 103 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 2: to tell a story. So you know, you can you 104 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: could kind of say, okay, well this is if I 105 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: think it's gonna be a high scoring game. If it's 106 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: gonna be a low scoring game, maybe you throw in 107 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: like a kicker or a defense or something like that. 108 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 2: So it's just about kind of telling that story in 109 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: your lineup. All right, let's uh, let's let's go position 110 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: by position here do it a little different because so 111 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: you can kind of hit on every player. Yeah, at quarterback. 112 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 2: I guess the question I'll ask you is, you know 113 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: the Mahomes versus pretty matchup? I think you know you. 114 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 2: I and Friedman talked on our proper Paloza pod that 115 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: at one point books had you know my homes I 116 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: think at twenty one and a half fantasy points and 117 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: Party at nineteen and a half. Both of those are 118 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 2: a little bit high. But just in terms of the value, 119 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 2: what are you looking at? What do you do you 120 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on Purdy versus Mahomes in this spot? 121 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the prices are about right. I think 122 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: Mahomes should obviously be higher priced than Perdy. I have 123 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: him about two and a half points more projected, so 124 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: you know, six hundred dollars sounds about right. I do 125 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: think Purty his roster ship might be a bit too 126 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: low here. I'm expecting a lot of people to be 127 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 1: on Mahomes. But you know, Purdy has a ton of weapons. 128 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: He can spread it around, you know, throughout the debo. 129 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: I kittle McCaffrey, so I think he's a solid captain 130 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: play as well, and something that I talked about before 131 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: the year even started was he does have some sneaky 132 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: rushing upside, even if he doesn't really tap into it 133 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: that much. But when you look at his forty yard dash, 134 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: the first ten yards of it, he was ninetieth percentile, 135 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: like in line with James Cook and Isaiah Pacheco types. 136 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: He has really good, you know, short burst speed and 137 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: you know, he's averaged nine yards to scramble this year, 138 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: but he's only averaged one scramble a game. I compared 139 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: his you know, his potential rushing upside to Patrick Mahomes ironically, 140 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: and we've seen in the playoffs similar to what Patrick 141 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: Mahomes used to do. He's scrambled more in the playoffs. 142 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: Perty's been doing that. So he's rushed for fourteen yards 143 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: and forty eight yards in the Conference championship. So that's 144 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: I think he has more rushing upside than people realize. 145 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,559 Speaker 1: So he could end up getting you know, thirty plus 146 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: rushing yards and a rushing touchdown here. So I think 147 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: he has more upside in the playoffs right now with 148 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: him using his rushing ability. That's why I do like 149 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: him here at ten k and especially in the captain 150 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: slide I think he's definitely worth the play there. 151 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: And yeah, I think like Mahomes is the second highest 152 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: player I have projected on the suite, but you know, 153 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: value as it's a little bit closer with you know, 154 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: that top tier of guys. I still think Mahomes is 155 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: a good play. But remember, he's not a guy that 156 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 2: unlike Purdy. He's not a guy that's gonna sneak it 157 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: at the goal line, so he's gonna have to do 158 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: his likely through the air. He could scramble for a touchdown, 159 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 2: but he's usually not gonna get like a designed rush 160 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: attempt the way Purty might uh for for a touchdown. 161 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: So that's up you have to kind of think about 162 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: as you're creating lineups. I think Mahomes is, you know, 163 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: the stacking options with him are a little more straightforward, 164 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: whereas with Purty you can do things like, you know, 165 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: if you think Perty's gonna get a rushing score, maybe 166 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: you fade, you know, in lineups with him, you fade 167 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: a guy like Christian McCaffrey and try to build a 168 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: line up that ways. As scary as that sounds, but 169 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: you know, just something to think about for for tournaments. 170 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: But let's go to running back. So McCaffrey highest projected 171 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: player on the suite, he's actually of all the you know, 172 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: non cheap guys, he's like on a points per dollar basis, 173 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 2: he's my highest value. Uh play. What about you? What 174 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 2: are your thoughts on on CMC? How much like if 175 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 2: you're building tournament lineups, how much are you like fading 176 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 2: him versus is just went and a ride. 177 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 1: I think I think we have to play him. I 178 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: think that's been a constant theme for both of us, Like, 179 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: no matter how high they price him, he's still offering value. 180 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: Just give it. There's less players to choose from, so 181 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: he has just a bigger edge because of that. So yeah, 182 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: I still think you gotta go with McCaffrey. If anything, 183 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: you and I were gonna be more comfortable taking some 184 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: of these cheaper guys anyway. So I think just because 185 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: you're going with McCaffrey, he might be you know, his 186 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: roster ship might be high. I think we're gonna have 187 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: a better shot than people, you know, taking McCaffrey at 188 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: these some of these like you know, full backs, third 189 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: string tight end something like that. I think we're gonna 190 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: be equipped to kind of tackle that but yeah, like 191 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: I think McCaffrey's worth every penny at twelve k, and 192 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: Pa Checko's no slouch at eight k. I think he's 193 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: he's a good value there, definitely a sneaky play because 194 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: I think, you know, the Chiefs are gonna lean on 195 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: him even more. Here we still don't know what the 196 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: hell's going on with Jarck McKinnon. It sounds like he's 197 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: gonna be out. So I think Clyde Edwards Hilaire is 198 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: also worth a flyer at one point two k. But 199 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: what do you think about Kyle EUSt check at eight 200 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: hundred dollars? Is he somebody that I mean, he's excellent 201 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: cellar relief, But do you think he has a high 202 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: enough ceiling at that price to sprinkle in at like 203 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: a higher rate than normal. 204 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: So I thought about this because obviously he's going to be, 205 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: you know, really important kind of winchpin because he is 206 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: on the field a lot. Yeah, the one thing I 207 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: wonder about is, you know, Kyle Shanahan such a such 208 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 2: a deliberate play caller, and you know there's like guys 209 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 2: like that, they don't they don't want to show tendencies 210 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 2: or they don't want to get too predictable. And I've 211 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 2: noticed that us check is you know, in the postseason 212 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 2: under Shanahan, he's yet to be targeted in back to 213 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: back games, and then this year he's had four other 214 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 2: games where he's had at least twenty or more scrimmage 215 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: arge like he did in that conference championship where he 216 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: caught a few balls, he's never really followed it up 217 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 2: with any other than a single digit at most. So 218 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: it's you know, it's still it's still talking relatively small sample, 219 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: but I think there's probably gonna be other guys that 220 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 2: I look to kind of be a little more overweight 221 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: on in that tier, just because I don't know if 222 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: we I think we're pushing our luck a little bit 223 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 2: with like you know two like above expectation or way 224 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 2: above expectation en effort to matter in DFST use check games. 225 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 2: So that's that's kind of where I'm at. What do 226 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: you what are your thoughts on? 227 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think that like it's between like if 228 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: you have to take a cheap guy, it's between Clyde 229 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: Edwards Hilaire and use check, And I think Clyde Edwards 230 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: Hilaire has the higher ceiling because there's there's always the 231 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: unfortunate potential of Isaiah Pacheco, you know, having to leave 232 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: the game early, and Edwards Hilaire, you know, seeing ten 233 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: plus touches. Use check doesn't have that kind of ceiling. 234 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking in that range, I think Edwards Hilaire 235 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: is worth the flyer. Again, if McKinnon is inactive, I 236 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: think Edwards Hilaire at you know, twelve hundred dollars, you 237 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: definitely want to sprinkle some of him in there. 238 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I actually misspoke. I said mccafrey was my 239 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: highest point per dollar value. It's actually it's actually the 240 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: two chiefs in that eight seventy five to eight hundred, 241 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: So it's Pachecko and Rice. Rice will talk about Checko Pachecko. 242 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: I actually have projected higher than Brandon I you, by 243 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 2: a couple of points. And UK is more expensive, and 244 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 2: I have Projeco just like tiny bit above. Even a 245 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: guy like Deebo, Samuel Deebo is more expensive, and so 246 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: Pachecko for me is actually a guy that you know, 247 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 2: I know McCaffrey is going to be all the rage, 248 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 2: and two running backs doesn't always necessarily correlate in tournaments, 249 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: So I think I will have lineups where I either 250 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 2: fade McCaffrey or you know, Pacheco being the captain spot 251 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: or something like that. Because this chief team they have, 252 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: like you mentioned, there a dynasty. They have the one 253 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: of the best quarterbacks of all time. But because their 254 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: defense is so good, one of their paths to winning is, 255 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: you know, kind of riding the run game and playing 256 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: some ball control and doing it that way. And last 257 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 2: year Homes only through for a bucket two in the 258 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, but happened to throw three scores, you know. 259 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 2: And then in the previous Niner Chiefs Super Bowl, Damian 260 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 2: Williams ran for three scores. So there's certainly a path 261 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: here for Pacheco to be the highest scoring player. 262 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: In this game. 263 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 2: And at eight K he allows you to do a 264 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: lot of things that if you're just going like Mahomes 265 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 2: or McCaffrey or even Kelsey or guy like that, and 266 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 2: a captain spot doesn't let you do. So I think 267 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 2: Pacheco's a really important kind of peace to building lineups, 268 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: and I think I want to be overweight on him 269 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: because you also, if you look at that Niner run defense, 270 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: you know, you take out that garbage time because like 271 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 2: the Niners were in a lot of garbage time this 272 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: year because they were up, and when you're up, you 273 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 2: know you're not really trying to play run defense. So 274 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 2: you take those out and you look at the Niners 275 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 2: run defensive metrics and they're just as bad as the Chiefs, 276 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: if not worse in certain years, and in the playoffs 277 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 2: they are worse. So I love I love me some Pachecko. 278 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite values on this on this sleep. 279 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: Yes, were you kind of alluding to, like lineups with 280 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: both running backs will be pretty contrarian because I can 281 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: get behind that, especially if it's a Chiefs win. You know, 282 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: chief leading game script. You know McCaffrey is still going 283 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: to be involved in the passing games, so that I 284 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: think that's going to be the best game script for 285 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: like a p check out and McCaffrey both hitting in 286 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: the same lineup, and then maybe that lineup you can 287 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: mix in a kicker or defense or something like that. 288 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: But I think there is a path certainly for both 289 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: running backs to hit, because you mentioned it, I think 290 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: that's going to be the game plan for both teams, 291 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: is to attack their opponent's run defense. So I could 292 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: get behind. Uh, you know, both running backs in your lineup. 293 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: You hear that, Baltimore Ravens. Yeah, I know, right man, 294 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I don't. I would maybe contrari's up 295 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: the right word because it's a one game sleep. But 296 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: I do think, you know, just the common DFS knowledge 297 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: is that you generally, we don't want to if you're 298 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: trying to maximize your upside and tournaments, you don't want 299 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: to have both running backs. But I could definitely see 300 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: this being a case where you know, I mean, McCaffrey 301 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: just such a big part of the offense that you know, 302 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: and and Pacheco, We've both talked about this, like we 303 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 2: don't really have Pacheco's touch is projected too much lower 304 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: than McCaffrey, you know, Carrie wise, it's about, you know, 305 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: a couple of carries and then obviously you're gonna project 306 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 2: McCaffrey for probably maybe another catch and a half to 307 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: two more. But overall they're they're definitely in the same neighborhoods. 308 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, like like Pacheck, oh, Mitchell, Like, I mean, 309 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: I think Mitchell is like I don't know, I think 310 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: that he wouldn't have played unless McCaffrey bangs his neck 311 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: at the end of the last game. Any thoughts on Mitchell. 312 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 2: Do you think he gets carries outside of a McCaffrey injury. 313 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: No, No, And he's like twice as expensive as Clyde 314 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: Edwards Hilaire, and I'm projecting h with two more points, 315 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: like I think will get some touches, whereas Mitchell. It's 316 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: fair like I know you took under one and a 317 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: half rush attempts, right, I think most like that out 318 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: come is he gets one carry and no catches either, 319 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: So nope, yeah, I am not touching him. He does 320 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: have this similar in game injury upside as Clyde Edwards. Later, 321 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: if McCaffrey does unforced you have to leave the game, Mitchell, 322 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: would you know crush at that price? But I just 323 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: think ch actually provides higher floor where you can you 324 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: can bank on him, you know, touching the ball a 325 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: few times at least, So now I'm not getting much Mitchell, 326 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: I think the backup to take is right now. 327 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, to agree, because there's also the possibility of Debo 328 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: being the backup running back. Oh you know, because like 329 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: that was at the end of a game with McCaffrey 330 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: and so you know, Okay, we'll run Mitchell into the 331 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: goal line and we'll run them three more times to 332 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: end it. But if it's like we still have to 333 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: score touchdowns or in the middle of the field or something, 334 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: it may very well be Deebo too. So that's another 335 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 2: thing to kind of consider with Mitchell's value. All right, 336 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 2: wide receiver. Here's where it's gonna get interesting. I mentioned 337 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 2: Rashie Rice. I know you like him as well. He's 338 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: actually coming up is a really big value for me. 339 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: I have him. I actually have him projected above the Checko, 340 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 2: above Iyu, above Samuel, above Purty. So only Kelsey, Mahomes 341 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: and McCaffrey do I have projected higher than Rashi Rice. 342 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 2: So I love him as a value. Any thoughts on him, Oh. 343 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm right there with you. He should be priced 344 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: similarly to Debot and I haven't projected ahead of them 345 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: as well in that night k range. But he's seventy 346 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: six hundred so he's a no brainer. I mean, especially 347 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: on a full PPR site like DraftKings. His reception prop 348 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: is six and a half, which I'm in line with, 349 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: So he has that edge over Deebo, and you can 350 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: you know, they tend to cancel each other out with 351 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: you know, Kittle and McCaffrey as well, and the chief 352 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 1: passing attack is so top heavy with Rice and Kelsey 353 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: that you just know he's going to get his. So 354 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: he's yeah, he's a no brainer play at seventy six hundred. 355 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's starting to play over ninety percent of 356 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 2: the pass snaps, where that wasn't always the case for 357 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 2: much of the season. Get it in two out of 358 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: the three playoff games, and the one he didn't, I 359 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 2: believe he left for a couple of plays. He was 360 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 2: a little banged up, So expect him to probably get 361 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 2: you know, almost all the relevant passing game snaps as well. Okay, 362 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 2: let's see, let's talk about so let's go Niners first. So, 363 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 2: deebo I, you those are the two. I guess people 364 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 2: there's probably gonna be a lot of situations where people 365 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: are kind of deciding between them because it's really hard 366 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 2: to cover all your bases and get both of them 367 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 2: in outside of just you know, straight up pretty you 368 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: know passing game onslaught tech stacks. Any any thoughts on 369 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: those two value wise? You what are you projecting there? 370 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking Debo here just because you know, the 371 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: Chiefs are a tough matchup, you know when it comes 372 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: to the secondary and it sounds like, you know, they 373 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: might try to get lu Jerrus snead on Ayuk most 374 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: of the time, whereas Debo, it's just easier to set 375 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: him up for mismatches, like you alluded to give him 376 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: more design Russia attempts. Plus, he should be fully healthy now. 377 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: I know he was playing through some pain in the 378 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: championship round with the shoulder injury, so he's fully healthy. 379 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: He has I mean, I don't get me wrong with Ayuk. 380 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: He has a massive ceiling, but this is a spot 381 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: where we have to lower expectations up bit. So out 382 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: of the two, I would definitely go with Debo here. 383 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, Ayuk is my lowest projected you know, straight up 384 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: like point per dollar value of those guys in that 385 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: top tier above six k. So I think he's perfect 386 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 2: for tournaments because you know, in cash game like he's 387 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 2: just not He's like the worst value of the defensive guys. 388 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 2: But there are a couple of things working for him 389 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 2: to still hit his ceiling and be valuable in a tournament. Setting. 390 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 2: Number one is like he's not as sexy as McCaffrey 391 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 2: or Debo, and he's not as cheap as Kittles, so 392 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 2: right there, like he's his rostership might be low, the 393 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: lowest of the you know, main forty nine er players 394 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,719 Speaker 2: just based off that. But also, yeah, the Chiefs are, 395 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 2: you know, one of the best pass defenses in the league, 396 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: but because of that, they play a ton of man coverage, 397 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 2: and Brandon Ayuk going up against man coverage, he was 398 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: one of the best receivers. He like he was. He 399 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 2: was top five this year against man coverage and yards 400 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: per out run according to Pro Football Focus. So uh, 401 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 2: there's you know, Ayuk has the skill to kind of 402 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 2: match up with with Jerry Steveitch, by the way, is 403 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: has been one of my favorite corners, so it's not 404 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 2: easy to match up at all. That's who he gets. 405 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: But I think it just kind of makes it. It's 406 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 2: like it sets the doingyation really perfectly, where it's like, 407 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 2: you know, Rice Pacheco, those Debouh, all those guys a 408 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: lot more you know cash game, you know, leaning type 409 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 2: plays where you want to higher floor. But Ayuka is 410 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: the perfect tournament point because he's the lowest value, so 411 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 2: you know, even in you know, people using like the 412 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 2: lineup generators and stuff like, He's gonna come up the 413 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 2: least in those just because of he's you know, I'm 414 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: sure just throughout the industry's probably going to have the 415 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: lowest projected value among these guys. So that's how I 416 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 2: would use ayuk. I want to talk about the I 417 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 2: want to talk about MVS real quick MVS because so, yeah, 418 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: this is like probably one of the most interesting and 419 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 2: nerdy questions of the Super Bowl for people like that. Yeah, 420 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 2: it's it's so like the whole year Marcus out this 421 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,239 Speaker 2: scantling was around a sixty five percent route participation rate, right. 422 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: He would jump up to seventy five, maybe even eighty 423 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: a couple of times, but for the most part it's 424 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 2: sixty five. But we all saw like Patrick Mahomes trusted 425 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 2: him more and more down the stretch, and then the 426 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 2: most important game of the year, Uh, he gets a 427 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: ninety six percent. Right, So I guess my question is 428 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 2: number one, what are you actually projecting for this game 429 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 2: for his just his route rate? But number two, like, 430 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: what are the chances that he gets like that full 431 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 2: ninety six percent? Again essentially one hundred percent, Like every 432 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: snap because that would give him some added upside even 433 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: compared to what I think. You know, the media is, 434 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 2: so you what are your thoughts on just how to 435 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 2: project that? 436 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was pretty crazy. It looked like it just 437 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: came all the expensive Mikol Hartman from what I said show. Yeah. Yeah, 438 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: so I have him right around seventy five percent. I 439 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: could probably get behind like eighty percent. I mean, he 440 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: could obviously have ninety six percent. He just did last week. 441 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: But you know, this is one of those situations. I 442 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: think it will regress down. So I have him right 443 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: around the seventy five percent range. I do have Mikol 444 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: Harman like back up to fifteen percent. But yeah, that 445 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: that just goes to show like his his upside is massive. 446 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't seem any targets, but if he's 447 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: out there every mahomes drop back, you know, going deep, 448 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: it just increases the chances that he will catch the pass. 449 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: I think the fact that he did have you know, 450 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: back to back good games. You know, he had two 451 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: catches for sixty two yards in the divisional round, then 452 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: two catches for thirty eight and the conference championship, so 453 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: he is you know, providing them value with all this 454 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: playing time, so I do think it will stick, but 455 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: I can't project it to be over ninety So I 456 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: have it seventy five to eighty percent. What about you, 457 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: I have. 458 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: An eighty five percent back the essentially used like the 459 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 2: last couple of games and I just waited them like 460 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 2: in the inverse, So like like three games, like if 461 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 2: I think I used three games, and like the most 462 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: recent game was worth three, the second most recent game 463 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 2: was worth two, and like came out to about eighty 464 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 2: eighty around eighty five percent, So I'm gonna have him there. 465 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 2: I think that's kind of what the books are using, 466 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: because my numbers are winding up up with them pretty 467 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: pretty well. But like, yeah, I see. The point is 468 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 2: m VS is a guy where there is some added 469 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 2: upside because I don't think anyone's projecting him to run 470 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 2: another ninety six percent, but because that was the most 471 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 2: important game of the year, that's very possible. So he's 472 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 2: a he's a guy, uh, I know, you look at 473 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 2: like the quarter splits and stuff. He's a guy that 474 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: like also if they if they're trailing right, would probably 475 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 2: be a lot better, like a lot better option, like 476 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: a trailing gamester right, and uh yeah, and and Justin 477 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 2: Watson's kind of similar. He's another guy. I know you've 478 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 2: bet what the under three and a half yards first quarter? 479 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: Yes, I did. 480 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, So so that's kind of the same deal with 481 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: those two guys. I will say, you know, watch it 482 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 2: is six k cheaper now he's his route rate usually is. 483 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 2: It's a little more stable. Yeah, sorry sorry, six six, 484 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 2: not six game. That would be amazing. He'd be negative price. 485 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: Three thousand dollars. 486 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: I'm gonna take him, yeah, uh yeah, but no, So 487 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: he is six hundred dollars cheaper on DK and I 488 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: have him projected just a couple of tenths below MVS, 489 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: so a little bit better of a point per dollar value. 490 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: But I would think that he's gonna be a little 491 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,479 Speaker 2: bit lower owned than MVS just because of the two 492 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 2: big games. So he's a decent pivot, especially in lineups 493 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 2: where you're thinking, okay, Kansas City may may get behind. 494 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: Well, you took the words right out of my mouth. 495 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: I do think he has a low floor in the 496 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: first quarter. I don't want him catching any passes, but 497 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: he typically does his damage in the second quarter. I'm 498 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: guessing because you know, the two minute offense when whenever 499 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: the Chiefs are in a pass heavy maybe comeback situation, 500 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: Watson has a ton of upside. And while we're projecting 501 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: you know, mvs to run more routes, neither player gets 502 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: targeted that much, so the extra routes doesn't give him 503 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: that much of a boost. So you know that both 504 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: players are projected to be around one and a half catches, 505 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: and you know, both both players are you know, downfield threats. 506 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: He can make a big play, So yeah, I agree. 507 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: I think that the fact that Watson's cheaper, he's probably overlooked. 508 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: I think that he's a great play at twenty four hundred. Really, 509 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: those three receivers right there, like Juwan Jennings, MVS Justin Watson, 510 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: I have them all projected around the same median. But 511 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: you know, Watson's the cheapest of the three, and he'll 512 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: probably overlooked. So I do agree. I think Watson is 513 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: a pretty sneaky play. I just don't want him to 514 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: have any catches in the first quarters. 515 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 2: All yeah, he won't, he won't, It's okay, now, he 516 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 2: usually doesn't. He usually does. 517 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: He usually does four catches all year in the first quarter. 518 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 2: So nuts Yeah, speaking of Jennings, Yeah, he's thirty six 519 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 2: hundred mvs is three k uh and watches twenty four 520 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 2: hundred On DraftKings, I actually have Jennings projected the lowest 521 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 2: of the three by a few tenths. So he's the 522 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 2: guy that I'll be, you know, the lowest I'll have 523 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 2: the least just because of that, you know, he's another 524 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 2: guy kind of projected right around one and a half catches. 525 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 2: But I think San Francisco has just been so deliberate about, 526 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 2: you know who they're targeting. Everyone's healthy for this game, 527 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 2: so it's gonna be tough for Jennings and less you 528 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 2: get like another Deebo injury or something like that. I 529 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 2: do like Richie James though he's only four hundred and 530 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 2: he played seventeen snaps, ran eight routes, which is about 531 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: a seventeen percent rate in the Conference championship. For the playoffs, 532 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: he's averaged a twenty percent route participation rate. So he 533 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 2: is the wide receiver four and last Super Bowl, you know, 534 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: sky More scored as the wide receiver for his first 535 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 2: touchdown of the year. Tony scored on one catch. Is 536 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 2: like the wide receiver five playing I think even less 537 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 2: than twenty percent of the of the past snaps in 538 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: that in that game. So I think Richie James, like 539 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 2: his first touchdown of the years totally possible in this spot. 540 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 2: And I think he's, you know, on a point per 541 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 2: dollar basis, he's like a better value and all of 542 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 2: those other like keep guys in like the two you know, 543 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 2: three to two to three k range. What do you 544 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 2: think of James? 545 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, no, I love that call. Plus he has 546 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: the added upside of being their kick returner, so you 547 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: can stack them with the Chiefs defense. I have I 548 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: have a bet on him to have the most return 549 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: yards in that game. He's been really aggressive in returning punts, 550 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: probably too aggressive, and the Niners punter Mitch Wishnowski just 551 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: booms it, kicks it low, so it's very returnable. They've 552 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: had the fourth worst punt return coverage DVO as well, 553 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: So I think there is a path for Richie James 554 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: also have a punt return a touchdown, like you said, 555 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: even as like the fourth or fifth receiver, he could 556 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: end up catching a couple of passes. And yeah, he's 557 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: mega salary relief at four hundred dollars, I think he 558 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: provides enough upside in that range to definitely, you know, 559 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: have some shares of. 560 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the and and then hardman. You know, it's 561 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: like it's like what zero to fifteen percent project somewhere 562 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: in there will probably be where he wins. 563 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: So he do some damage with just one catch too. 564 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's really hard to project him for anything 565 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: more than that. But he does have that upside of 566 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: if he does get a touch, he could take it 567 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: to the house. 568 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's I mean, he's four times as much as 569 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 2: costly as James, So it's gonna it's tough to justify 570 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 2: unless you're like I would say, like making you know, 571 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 2: close to the max entry amount of entries in like 572 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: a bigger contest, you get some harm in him, but 573 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: like point per dollar projection things like that. Yeah, he's 574 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: he's minus ev Okay, let's go to tight end. And 575 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 2: I know you like Noah Gray a lot. Talk to 576 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 2: me about Noah Gray. 577 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's you know, eighteen hundred and I have 578 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: him in the same tier as those three receivers Juwan Jennings, NBS, 579 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: Justin Watson. The common thing with all four players is 580 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: their receptions prop is one and a half, they're basically 581 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: a coin flip at one and a half. Yet he's 582 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, twice as cheap. You know, granted he doesn't 583 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: have the same big play upside as the three wide receivers, 584 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: but he still has you know, touchdown upside. You know, 585 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: in the red zone. The Chiefs tend to use more 586 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: two to three tight end personnel than other teams, and 587 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: they've ramped that up even more in the playoffs. So 588 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: he's out there quite a bit. And you know, even 589 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: though he's the backup tight end, he's you know, a 590 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: decent bet for a couple of catches here. So I 591 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: think he's definitely worth the flyer at eighteen hundred, just 592 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: considering those three wide receivers we talked about, are you know, 593 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: twice as expensive. So I do, like, no, great at 594 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: that price tag. 595 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Chiefs have definitely and I think we'll continue 596 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 2: to go with more heavy personnel for that reason. Like 597 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 2: I even like Blake Bell, like you know, just on 598 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: the off chance he catches a touchdown, he's mid price, 599 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 2: so I think he's worth some shots. Kelsey, we kind 600 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 2: of know what he is. Like, He's eighteen touchdowns in 601 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 2: seventeen games with Mahomes. He's scored in thirteen out of 602 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 2: seventeen postseason games that is, so I think he'll find 603 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: a way to put up a good game in this spot. 604 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 2: But the guy I really want to talk about is 605 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 2: Kittle because he is in a tier where it's she 606 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 2: Rice at seventy six hundred, who he love is a value, 607 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 2: and then Kittle at sixty four hundred, and then Jake 608 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 2: Moody is like the next guy at fifty two hundred. 609 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 2: So there's a twenty four hundred dollar price gap where 610 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 2: the only guy is George Kittle, and he's right in 611 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 2: the middle of it. So what are your what are 612 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 2: your thoughts on Kittle and his value and just like 613 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 2: you know, given that he's kind of the winch pin 614 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 2: with like where do you wean as far as like 615 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 2: playing him, fading him or what? 616 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting, you know. I like Wherehi Rice a 617 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: lot more than Kittle, so I think paying up those 618 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: extra twelve hundred dollars is well worth it. And I 619 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: like Kittle way more than Jake Moody, So that an 620 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: interesting dynamic. I wonder if that means his ownership will 621 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: be more or less and we expect but this this 622 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: toe injury is a concern, it doesn't look like it's 623 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: going to impact him too much. So maybe just having 624 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,719 Speaker 1: the questionable tag and the hospital icon next to him 625 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: will help, you know, hurt his ownership a bit. But 626 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: you know, Kittle is one of those guys that he 627 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: has just a massive, i would say, range of outcomes 628 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: because he has a really really high ceiling, you know, 629 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: one of the highest at the tight end position where 630 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes he can be the odd man out 631 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: if it's a debo. I you McCaffrey game as well, 632 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: So I think that showdowns I like this. I'm absolutely 633 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: taking some flyers. You know. I think some of his 634 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: props are too low too, Like his longest reception at 635 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: twenty and a half yards seems kind of low. But 636 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: he's that kind of guy where he might only catch 637 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,479 Speaker 1: a few passes, but every time he catches it, it's 638 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: an explosive play. He has touch on upside. So yeah, 639 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: I do like Kittle, maybe not for like his medium 640 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: projection at his price tag, but certainly in terms of 641 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: roster construction, because like you said, he's in no man's 642 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: land where you can kind of create some unique lineups 643 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: with him because. 644 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 2: Of that Yeah, yeah, he's like, he's definitely not up 645 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 2: there with Rice in terms of project or even Pacheco 646 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 2: in projective points per dollar. I think the way to 647 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 2: use him, I think you do have to kind of 648 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 2: go out of your way to be a little more contrarian, 649 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 2: because I do think since he's the cheapest, like stud 650 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 2: caliber player and he is in that weird tier that 651 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 2: he is going to get out of, he's going to 652 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 2: be very popular. So but I also think people are 653 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 2: going to kind of sprinkle him in. Anytime they have 654 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 2: like a pretty you know, Debo stack or a prety 655 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 2: a Yuk stack something like that, he's gonna get sprinkled in. 656 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 2: So I think, you know, the way I would kind 657 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 2: of use it is maybe fade him in most of 658 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,479 Speaker 2: my Samuel or ayuk linaps and kind of play him 659 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 2: maybe jess Wit McCaffrey and Purty or something like just 660 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 2: something to get a little bit of differentiation. Versus I 661 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,959 Speaker 2: feel like he's going to be that kind of guy 662 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 2: that sprinkled in everywhere because he just sits so well 663 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 2: at sixty four hundred, where whereas you know, there's so 664 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 2: many studs that you're trying to jam in anyway and there, 665 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 2: and there are options, you know, like fill it out. 666 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's how I think. I think, just trying 667 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 2: to be able to contrari in with how you use 668 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 2: him in roster construction. 669 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't think that that makes a ton of sense. 670 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: Anybody that has like seventy five hundred left over, we'll 671 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: just be oh well, I might as well just take Kittle, you. 672 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 2: Know, so that that does make sense, okay. And then 673 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 2: so there's like a tier three like that Moody starts 674 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 2: it off. It's the kickers and the defenses. I'm curious because, 675 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 2: like I have, I actually have Bucker projected a more 676 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 2: than a point above Moody. Bucker's a little bit like 677 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 2: two hundred dollars cheaper. Are you are you in wicked out? 678 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 2: Do you have Moody projected for more? How you? How 679 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 2: are you looking at these two kickers? 680 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I have. I have Butcker projected for point 681 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 1: four more, okay, and he's two hundred dollars cheaper. So yeah, 682 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 1: I would definitely go with Butcker there. But one of 683 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,439 Speaker 1: those things, what do you think like the roster ship 684 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: breakdown will be I would assume low, well, I would 685 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 1: assume Butker would be the more popular one, so I 686 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 1: think it's yeah, pretty obviously he shouldn't be the cheaper one. 687 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: So I don't know, I would take Flyers at both 688 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: because you're just banking on you know, that team maybe 689 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: stalling in the red zone or whatnot. But yeah, I'm 690 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: with you. I think Butcker should be the more expensive one. 691 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and for this, like, I don't know, I wouldn't 692 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 2: look at ownership as much just because I think all 693 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 2: these guys should be and probably will be owned pretty low, 694 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 2: you know, for the kicker to hit, probably need you know, 695 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 2: a lower scoring game than usual. But we have seen 696 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 2: Butcker with quite a few of these, like you know, 697 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 2: double digit fantasy games, So I like Butcker more. I'll 698 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 2: be I'll be on him heavier. As far as the 699 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 2: defense is, the Niners are ten K more than the Chiefs, 700 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 2: and I have I have the Niners projected for a 701 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 2: little bit like maybe like two tenths of a point more, 702 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 2: but you know, not a ten not a full one 703 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 2: k difference. So yeah, I like, I like the chief 704 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 2: defense for value as well. Any thoughts on those two. 705 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,879 Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, I actually have the Chiefs for point one 706 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: more good point. So Yeah, the thousand dollars, it's a 707 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: no brainer. I mean, just Mahomes, it's just tough to sack, 708 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: so that that's probably the stickiest thing to project for defenses. 709 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: So that's a big hit, you know. I would say 710 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: purty is more likely to turn it over as well, 711 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of a no brainer. I think 712 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: that people will realize that. But yeah, I think they 713 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,760 Speaker 1: should be evenly priced. So the fact that the Niners 714 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: are one k more expensive is incorrect in my opinion. 715 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know the thing with that is, I 716 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 2: mean in tournaments, the defense tends to have a higher 717 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 2: you know ceiling because you can get like an eight 718 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 2: point play from the defense. You know, if you get 719 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 2: an interception pick six or something like that, or a 720 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 2: fumble six or sack fumble six would be nine points 721 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 2: I guess right, Yeah, nine points. So the kick kickers 722 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 2: can only get you know what max five at five points, uh, 723 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,919 Speaker 2: you know, per per per you know, high up, high 724 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 2: ceiling play. So the kicker the defenses are generally the 725 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 2: ones you want to lean toward it in in tournaments. 726 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 2: So yeah, the Chiefs do stick out. You could also 727 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,959 Speaker 2: stack them with Richie James who. 728 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: Will Yeah, you could have a twelve point play. 729 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to d K. We'll each well, each 730 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,959 Speaker 2: build a lineup, and so that'll be interesting because that'll 731 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 2: force us to kind of make some plays that maybe 732 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 2: wouldn't make on a normal slate, but just kind of 733 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 2: figuring out how to fill fill out lineup construction with 734 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 2: different builds. Uh. So you can start us off with 735 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 2: a pick. It doesn't have to be the captain pick 736 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 2: if you don't want to, just because we're gonna do 737 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,879 Speaker 2: a DK showdown, but just whatever pick you want to make. 738 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 2: You're at first, Well. 739 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 1: I'm going to do a double whammy here. I'm gonna 740 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 1: take for Rice in the captain slot. 741 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 2: Okay, I like it, like it. Yeah, he's just such 742 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 2: a good value. I am going to I'm gonna go 743 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 2: ahead and grab a Richie James at four hundred just 744 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 2: to get my chiefest guy out of the way. 745 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: And the captain slot or flash. Oh no, no, no, 746 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: could you imagine I've seen stranger things happen. Yeah, but 747 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 1: let's see. So I'll take Noah Gray. 748 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 2: All right, let's go Christian McCaffrey captain. 749 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 1: Just do it. 750 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 2: The the chief is guy, the chiefest guy that I like, 751 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 2: and James, I'll go McAffrey and the captain spot that 752 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 2: he's me seventy nine hundred for the last four. Who 753 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 2: you got for your third? 754 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the optimal play. Well, since I have 755 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: Rice and Noah Gray, I'm gonna just take Patrick Mahomes 756 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 1: to get that stack going right, I'll. 757 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 2: Take my other favorite value in that mid range, Isaiah 758 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 2: Pacheco at eight right on right on the remaining So 759 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 2: I have seventy eight sixty six for the last three. 760 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: Now you have the dual running back. Yeah there, all right, 761 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with So I have about eighty seven 762 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 1: hundred remaining per player. I'm gonna go with Debo. 763 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 2: All right, let's go Kelsey ten ten point two. That 764 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 2: gives me sixty seven left. But I need to get 765 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 2: some share of the chief passing game. I got Caffrey Pacheco, 766 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. 767 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: Well, I start to everybody, but Kelsey please, yeah, good 768 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: luck with that. Oh man, Well, I'm gonna take the 769 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: other quarterback. I think I can take this work. I'm 770 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,439 Speaker 1: gonna take brock Party all right. 771 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 2: So I got sixty seven hundred, so that kind of 772 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 2: forces me to take Ayuk because he's the only, uh like, 773 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,919 Speaker 2: the only guy that's even gonna matter salary wise, because yeah, 774 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 2: you got my Homes and Purdy and Debo, I got McCaffrey, 775 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 2: Kelsey Pichecko. So yeah, I'll go. I'll go Brandon Ayuk. 776 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 2: So that gives me forty six hundred. 777 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: I got worried. I thought you said you had sixty 778 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,360 Speaker 1: seven hundred left for one more player or something. I 779 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: know that didn't make sense, but oh oh no, per yeah, 780 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: I thought there was only one player that you could 781 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 1: take there. We talked about him, so and then I 782 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: was screwed. So I have seven thousand dollars left, and 783 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: we kind of talked about this, So I'm going to 784 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: go George Kittle at sixty four hundred. 785 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 2: Yeah that's that's actually like a lot of people are 786 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,800 Speaker 2: going to run into that exact same thing. Okay, So 787 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 2: I have forty six hundred left. Niners Defense, Juan Jennings MVS. 788 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 2: Let's see Watson's and play. I'm gonna go with the upside, 789 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 2: give me MVS because I like that upside of him 790 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 2: potentially running like ninety five percent route rate in this game. So, 791 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,359 Speaker 2: and since you have Mahomes you know, if he does 792 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 2: complete a big play, it's most likely gonna be to MVS. Downfield, 793 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll go MVS at three K. We have 794 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 2: sixteen hundred on the table, so that's so that's actually 795 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 2: like if if somebody was kind of following this, you 796 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 2: could actually bump like Richie James up to like a 797 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 2: Noah Gray or something like that too. So there's a 798 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 2: lot of options even with McCaffrey in the in the 799 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 2: captain spot, all right, h recat we got Yeah, so my. 800 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: Captain slaw I went with Rashid Rice, and then I 801 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: went with both quarterbacks Patrick Maholmes and Rock Purty, Deebo, 802 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: Samuel George Kittle and Noah Gray. 803 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 2: I got CMC in the captain spot, and then Kelsey 804 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 2: Pacheco I YUK MVS and Richie James and rich again. 805 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 2: With Richie James, you can kind of swap him out 806 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 2: with whoever your favorite cheap guy under t K would be. 807 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 2: So let's see how that goes, and uh, yeah, it's 808 00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 2: gonna do it. For this another season of Fancy Flex. 809 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 2: We thank everybody for tuning in each and every week. 810 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 2: If you're still looking for more betting content, check out 811 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 2: the Action Network podcast channel. We have our Proper Palus 812 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,320 Speaker 2: episode out. We have just a bunch of episodes, you know, 813 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 2: the six pack with Stucky and I. So we're breaking 814 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,840 Speaker 2: all that down. Actionnetwork dot Com for all of our 815 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 2: NFL betting and fantasy content, Fantasylabs dot Com for our 816 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 2: DFS tools and models. Don't forget the Discord server link 817 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,800 Speaker 2: will be in the episode description for that. Don't forget 818 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,399 Speaker 2: the Fantasy sync feature of the Action Network app, which 819 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 2: Sean is at the underscarage Maker, I'm at Chris Raybon. 820 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 2: We're at those same handles on Twitter. Shout out to 821 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 2: all of our producers, David Payne, the video team, everybody, 822 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 2: and again thank you for listening, good luck, enjoy the 823 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 2: Super Bowl fifty eight, and we'll be back probably in 824 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 2: around a little before draft time. So until then, let's 825 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 2: get their morning. Action Network reminds you please gamble responsibly. 826 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,320 Speaker 2: If you or someone you care about has a gambling problem, 827 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 2: help is available twenty four to seven at one eight 828 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 2: hundred Gambler